WEBVTT - This was the First Execution I Ever Witnessed – God Grant That it May be the Last! 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.559 and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.479 This episode of Haunted Road is extra special to me. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.440 It takes place in a town where many of you 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.720 know I lived for a time, and many of my 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.440 families still call it home, so I'm there at least 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.840 a few times a year. It's quaint yet eclectic, and 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.120 the whole main street is very, very haunted. Today's location 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.199 is a bit elusive to me, though I've been inside 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.159 it many times, and I've glided my hands across the 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.919 rich wooden railings in the lobby, wondering what stories they 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:50.360 could tell. But I've never investigated it, never even had 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.120 a paranormal experience there. And let me tell you, after 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.680 the stories and history we will discuss today, I am 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:03.720 determined to change this asa. Come with me to Placerville, California, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.040 otherwise known as Old Hangtown, and let's visit the Carry 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:19.160 House Hotel. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.000 Nestled in the Eldorado National Forest just east of Sacramento. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.400 There's a small city called Placerville. It's a colorful community, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.160 literally pink and blue buildings line the streets with old 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.119 fashioned facades that feel like something out of a technicolor 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.920 Old West. One brick structure on Main Street sticks out. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.000 It's four stories tall, so it towers over its shorter neighbors. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.200 Brightly lit and welcoming, A second story balcony is encircled 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.520 by a wrought iron railing strung with lights, all under 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.240 a green awning. More lights dot the roof, illuminating a 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.960 sign that identifies the property as carry House. On the 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:02.960 side of the building. Another sign special Hotel inside the 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.200 lobby boasts green carpet with a swirling circular pattern reminiscent 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.079 of leaves. The stained glass windows depict the four seasons. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.640 According to Jerry Beard's article with Style Magazine titled in History, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.519 carry House Hotel in Plastererville, the forty or so guest 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.240 rooms are all upstairs, and visitors ascend an ornate mahogany 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.240 staircase to reach them. Each chamber has furniture and decor 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:32.520 appropriate to the eighteen hundreds, elegant nightstands, decorative moldings, and 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.440 windows draped with white curtains. While the building originally had 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.400 shared communal restrooms, for guests. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:39.799 These days, each. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.720 Room has its very own bathroom. Some of the more 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.720 sizeable suites have kitchenettes as well. The business was built 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.760 in nineteen fifteen, reportedly constructed from the bricks of another 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.639 hotel with the same name that previously stood at the 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.600 same address. Before that, a saloon beckoned customers to the 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.120 same spot, called the Eldorado Hotel and Saloon. It was 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.280 founded in the rough and tumble Old West era, which 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.440 is when European prospectors first settled in the region. The 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.520 California gold Rush began in the mid nineteenth century just 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.240 a short distance away from Placerville, which was originally dubbed 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.760 Old Dry Diggins. According to the City of Plasarville's Plasarville 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.399 City History website, the name was a very literal description 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.360 of the process miners would follow to try to recover 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.960 gold from the area. They'd dig up carts of dry dirt, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.840 then dip the soil into running water to wash away 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.600 the sediment and sort out small bits of ore. Life 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.400 in Old Dry Diggins could be brutal. Buyers often swept 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.160 through town, and because the buildings were made of wood 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.640 and built close together, a small spark could easily burn 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.600 the whole outpost to the ground. The settlement ignited three 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.800 separate times in eighteen fifty six alone. Additionally, communities like 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.880 Old Dry Diggins were often lawless, and it was common 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:03.080 for citizens to take justice into their own hands. According 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.120 to a journalist named Edward Gouldbuffem, a vigilante mob was 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.080 moved to violence in January of eighteen forty nine. That month, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.840 five men, none of whom spoke English, were caught attempting 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.040 to rob a man named Lopez. They were arrested and 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.680 sentenced to be publicly whipped thirty nine times. However, after 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.800 their punishment was dealt, another accuser came forward, claiming the 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.360 five had been involved in another attempted robbery and homicide. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.880 It's hard to say if the accusation was credible because 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.360 the men weren't granted a fair trial. As local historian 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.920 and reporter Doug Noble reported in an October two thousand 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.920 and nine issue of The Mountain Democrat, they were too 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.680 weak from the recent lashing to get to the courtroom, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.800 so while they recovered in a nearby house, the locals 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.560 threw together a makeshift jury and weighed their guilt without 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.600 taking the accused robber's statements or giving them a chance 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.480 to defend themselves. Edward Buffum was present for them trial, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.440 and he watched as the townspeople were roused into a 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.800 violent frenzy. One person shouted that the five men should 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.080 be hanged, and many others cheered the idea. When Edward 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.720 tried to calm them and make them listen to reason, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.120 the crowd turned on him until he quieted. Edward watched 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.520 in horror as the rest of the mob dragged the 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.240 condemned men out of the house. It's possible the accused 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.560 didn't even know what was going on. They repeatedly asked 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.159 for an interpreter, but the locals refused even this mercy. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.599 Edward writes that the five were blindfolded, bound, and placed 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.800 atop a wagon with nooses around their necks. When the 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.159 wagon pulled forward, the newses tightened, and the men met 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.720 their fates hung from a white oak tree. In an 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.200 article titled Criminal Annals, Part three, Buffem's version of the hangings, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.760 Doug Noble quotes the article. Edward later wrote about the event. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.279 He said, this was the first execution I ever witnessed. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.480 God grant that it may be the last. Sadly, this 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.440 proved to be far from an isolated incident. Another extra 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.320 judicial hanging occurred the following year. In eighteen fifty, the 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.560 Eldorado Hotel and Saloon had recently been erected right across 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.280 the street from the Oak Tree, and one day at 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.080 the hotel a brawl broke out over a card game. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.640 The fight escalated until a man named Richard Crone nicknamed 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.440 Irish Dick, stabbed another person three times. Sadly, his victim 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.159 did not survive the attack. When Irish Dick was tried 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.800 for the murder, a huge crowd of almost two thousand 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.320 angry locals assembled outside the courthouse. A judge determined the 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.240 killer should be sent to jail, and apparently this was 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.440 too lenient for the townsfolk. When Irish Dick was led 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.200 out of the courthouse, the crowd swarmed over him. Doug 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.440 Noble writes that they tossed a lasso over Irish Dick's 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.839 head and used it to haul him over to a 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.839 nearby white oak dad tree, the same tree the five 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.400 accused robbers were hanged from the year before. Like them, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.760 Irish Dick died suspended from its boughs in spite of 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.800 the fact that he never received a formal death sentence. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.120 Thanks to incidents like these, the community earned the nickname Hangtown. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.800 For fifty years, the official town logo featured an image 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.320 of a tree with a dangling noose, and the oak 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.200 that was used for these hangings became a tourist destination 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.960 in its own right. After it was chopped down, a 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:34.000 bar was built around the stump, called appropriately the Hangman's Tree. Today, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.080 you can still trek to three to zero eight Main 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.600 Street and view what remains of the old oak in 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.560 the basement. Local lore aside, it can be tricky to 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.120 speculate on just how common these hangings were, as record 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.480 keeping at the time was less than thorough. That's not 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.600 only true of vigilante activities, but also the day to 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.280 day operations in Hangtown. For example, there were many rumors 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.000 which are almost impossible to verify, of a front desk 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.600 clerk who worked at the carry House Hotel at some 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.200 point in the nineteenth century. His name was Stan Levine. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.720 It's hard to say if he was an employee at 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.840 the Eldorado Hotel in Saloon, which operated from eighteen forty 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.280 nine to eighteen fifty six. Or the carry House hotel, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.720 which was built at the same location after a fire 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.560 burned down the initial structure. Either way, there are no 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.280 records of Stan or his tenure, but rumor suggests that 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.520 when he was alive he had a terrible cough. The 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.600 visit El Dorado website also says he was prone to 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.280 drinking to excess, and when he was inebriated, he tended 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.240 to get belligerent and hansy. He had a reputation for 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.480 grabbing his customer's bottoms when he was drunk. It said 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.240 that he died in the hotel where he worked, but 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.120 again this is difficult to verify. Accounts of his death 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.319 very wildly. In some stories, he was murdered after making 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.880 a pass at a male client while they both stood 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.079 at the top of a staircase. The customer was reportedly 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.320 so enraged by the same sex flirtation that he drew 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.560 a knife and stabs Stand twice in the chest. Wounded, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.160 Stan fell down the stairs and took his last breath 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.120 at the bottom. In other accounts, the killer was a 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.000 jealous husband who flew into a murderous fury after Stan 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.320 flirted with his wife once again. It said the deadly 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.800 confrontation took place on the stairwell, but in this version, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.120 the husband shot Stan at the bottom. In her book 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.160 Haunted Hotels of the California Gold Country, author Nancy Williams 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.640 writes that Stan dragged himself from the stairs to the parlor, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.280 where the woman he'd been flirting with watched in horror. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.320 Stan died as he stared at her tear filled eyes 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.720 and still. Other narratives described Stan simply succumbing to alcohol 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.160 related illness after years of excessive drinking. However, he died, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.559 it said his spirit remains in the carry house. When 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.200 visitors approached the base of the staircase, they say, a 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.520 wave of great sadness comes over them, and it seems 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.200 like he it never got over his propensity for pinching 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.760 people's bottoms. Guests, men and women alike sometimes feel his 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.320 touch on their backsides in the hotel's lobby and in 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.160 the alley and sidewalk outside the building. Others here stands 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.880 familiar cough or a whistle inside, and when strange mists 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.040 form in the lobby it could be evidence of his presence. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.760 Stan seems prone to wandering out of the hotel. It's 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.840 reported that the front door often opens on its own, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.480 and in a bookstore that sits near a bar stand 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.960 used to frequent books often go flying off the shelves. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.320 Linda Baucher wrote in gold Rush Ghosts of Placerville, Colomba, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.679 and Georgetown that Stan tears the books down in frustration 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.920 after finding there's no liquor in the shop. However, Stan 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.960 is believed to be equally destructive in a local winery 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.520 tasting room, how Dare. 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.120 You, which he also visits. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.719 Accounts say he shatters wine glasses and interferes with electronics. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.720 On one occasion, he cranked the tasting room's music up 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.640 to round out the sound of a customer talking. When 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.280 the bartenders snapped at stand to knock it off, the 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.000 sound abruptly cut out and wouldn't start again for the 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.719 rest of the day. When the wine tasting room is 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.320 supposedly empty, security cameras capture balls of light that have 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.720 been attributed to the deceased desk clerk. In addition, there 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.080 have been accounts of piano music playing at the top 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.920 of the carry houses stairs, disembodied footsteps, and an unseen 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.480 woman crying. The elevators run without being called smelling strongly 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:34.080 of cigar smoke. Items move on their own, including breakfast food, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.080 which is sometimes found tossed around the dining area in 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.760 the early hours. Numerous spirits have been spotted in the hotel, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.920 but many of their identities are unknown. Accounts describe a 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.320 pretty woman in a blue dress and a young girl 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.040 who have each appeared on the staircase. Some suggest a 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.240 former kitchen employee is responsible for the sounds of dishes 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.560 being washed when the kitchen should be empty. That staffer 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.080 may also be the culprit when the breakfast food is disturbed. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.520 On the carry House page of Haunted Houses dot Com, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.079 Julie Carr writes of one occasion when an employee stepped 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.000 onto the balcony only to find a man in Old 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.080 West style clothing sitting at a table playing cards. While 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.520 the workers stood unsure of how to react, the prospector's 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.200 spirit slowly faded until no evidence remained to suggest he 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.520 was ever there. Perhaps the most famous specter to appear 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.120 in the Carrey House Hotel may be Black Bart, an 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.520 infamous outlaw who stayed at the hotel during his life. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.600 Rumors suggest his spirit still lurks in the building. In 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.920 addition to these sightings, strange things happen in the hotel 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.920 that defy explanation. According to author Linda Boucher, on one occasion, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.600 a woman checked into the carry house and was assigned 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.800 to stay in room two o seven. She was in 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.280 her room when it came time to sign the guest book. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.720 She pulled out her black inkpen, pressed the tip to paper, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.079 and everything she und wrote came out blood red. Disturbed, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.079 the woman paused in confusion. Then she tried to write again, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.160 and once more, scarlet letters splattered across the page. This 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.920 was so upsetting she ran out of the room with 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.400 the guest books still in her hands, and didn't stop 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.240 until she reached the front desk. There, the woman handed 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.559 the pen to the clerk, but when they tried to write, 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.680 the ink came out and standard black. Another account, one 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.719 more from Linda, describes two women who were spending the 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.640 night in room three oh seven in April twenty twelve. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:33.679 One of them woke in the middle of the night 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.080 because her friend was shouting, help me. I am terrified. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.480 When she rushed over to check on her friend, the 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.960 one who'd cried for help said she'd seen a man 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.839 in a plaid shirt lying in bed with her. When 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.720 she tried to get away, she found herself unable to 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.800 move until her friend ran up to help. Many accounts 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.640 feature Room two twelve, said to be the most haunted 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.000 room at the Carey House hotel. It's often chilly, even 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.240 when the rest of the building is toasty warm. Electronics 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.640 lose power rapidly, a rocking chair sways on its own, 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.000 and visitors detect an ominous ticking noise that doesn't have 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.280 any clear source. In this room, paranormal investigators have made 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.040 contact with the man they've identified as Arnold Widman, a 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.640 teamster who stayed there sometime in the eighteen hundreds. It's 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.080 said he fell ill with influenza and died in the chamber. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.560 Since then, numerous people claim they've seen him in the room. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.600 Sometimes he has a long beard, other times witnesses can 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.760 only see him from the chest down, an apparition of 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.320 blue jeans, a flannel shirt and boots, but no shoulder, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.240 arms or head. His devastated widow is also said to 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.840 haunt the carry house. When she passes through Room two twelve, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.920 you can tell because the whole area smells of lavender. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.240 She's also been seen in nearby rooms like two O nine, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:56.200 which is also often unseasonably chilly. All these stories are 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.520 just the tip of the iceberg. Some believe the entire 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.000 town of Placerville is haunted. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:01.760 I'm one of them. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.320 While the carry House is a hub for the city's 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.400 spectral activity. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.440 To help me. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.920 Make sense of the many, many supernatural activities here, I'm 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.040 talking to Charlotte Cosa. She heads up a paranormal team 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.720 in California called California Haunts and has investigated the carry 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.560 House on multiple occasions. That's coming up after the break. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.560 I am now joined by a blast from the past 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.080 for me, and we'll go into that a little bit shortly. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.960 But Charlotte Cosa is joining me, and she is the 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:45.280 founder of California Haunts in California, a longtime paranormal team 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.320 that I've known of for years, and so it's so 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.640 great to kind of catch up with you. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.000 Charlotte. Thanks for joining well, thank you for inviting me. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:51.720 I appreciate it. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.000 Yeah, it's ironic that, like I'm talking about the carry 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.480 House and I've never investigated there because my whole family 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.680 lives in Plasterville and the Bay Area, and like I'm 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.240 in Plasterville multiple times a year, and I've always wanted 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.560 to investigate it, and so I kind of knew it 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.160 was like, I know, I know someone who's investigated this place, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.800 and your name popped up immediately. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.520 So I've been around. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.320 Yeah, Well, I've investigated a lot of places in Plasterville. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.400 I love Plasterville, by the way, I feel like. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.720 I mean, I moved there my senior year in high school, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.880 so that was a long time ago, and it just 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.160 really was so charming. And back then it was still 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.760 kind of artsy and rednecky, and nobody really knew about it. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.000 But now everybody knows about it, and it's really blown up, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.200 so the secret's out. But it's a great little town. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:40.960 But it used to just be like where you stop 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.960 to go to McDonald's and use the bathroom on the 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.880 way to Tahoe, right, right, right. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.240 So it becomes so much more. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.760 Yeah, and then Main Street, I mean, every building practically 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.720 on Main Street is haunted every. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.320 Practically everybody exactly. I've investigated a number of buildings on 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.200 Main Street. I have not gotten my hands into the 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.640 carry house, so I know the stories, I know the history. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.439 And now you investigated with your team a few times, right, yes, yes, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.560 just kind of off the top of your head, Like, 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.359 what do you say is probably the activity that people 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.520 encounter at that hotel most often? 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.280 I think it's Stan. Stan used to be Stan was 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:19.000 at a disc clerk. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.120 Yeah, that's what I heard too, And like that because 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.480 like there's a laundry list of activity that is attributed 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.600 to Stan. And so did you have any interaction with 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.480 who you think could be him when you investigated there? 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.600 We did, in fact our psychic who was with us 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.360 at the time, who you might know, Oh, probably, Yeah, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.639 she's the one you know that was talking to you. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.920 And then I haven't right in front of me right now, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.199 she did she she only whispered, as she says, she 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.240 envisioned it with a mustache, a lot of gray hair, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.680 and he had a beard. He would have been the 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.080 one who would come back to herself maybe somed she's 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.160 talking about. And then she made the way up the stairs. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.320 She stepped first up. Yeah, Stan, she encountered all the stairs. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.800 That's likes right in the live area, like the lobby is. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.480 You walk into that hotel and it's clearly historic. There's 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.800 like stained glass, it's all dark wood, it's very original. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.960 Looking and so yeah, I could definitely, I could definitely 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.440 see Stan being a culprit for some things. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.760 So what she picked up was that he would have 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.560 been a permanent fixtator. She didn't know any information about 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.880 the hotel at all, Okay, so she says that he's 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.960 the one that looks after the building, because that's exactly 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.560 what it is, because he was like the hotel death 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.320 clerk manager, you know, at the hotel when all this 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.919 went down. But he also had and I think you 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.760 know the history, he also had an eye for the ladies. Yes, 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.640 so he was forever flirting with people and whatnot, and 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.480 that's what ended his life. And there's conflicting things about 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.760 the way he passed away too, because some you know, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.960 some like like my team when we were out there, 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.000 came up with the fact that he was stabbed, okay 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.200 on the stairs there, but there's other people that say 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:51.720 he was shot. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.879 Yeah, So it's kind of conflicting, right. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.439 He is, he's been there for a long time, and 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.240 I understand from hotel employees that I have talked to 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.680 during pre interviews for the investigations that he will also 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.280 let them know if there's something wrong and be related 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:05.879 to like fire. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.320 Oh really, so he's kind of like he's kind of 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:09.360 watching over the building. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.240 How does he let them know? What does he do? 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:11.560 Well? 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.800 I just did think they hear whispers, and I think 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.639 that's pretty much what's going on, because people hear voices 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.200 in there. They can hear whispers, and I think he'll 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.720 talk to the front disc clerks and tell all the stuff. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.199 Oh okay, yeah, I mean do you know? 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.440 So I don't know, Like I feel like I don't 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.200 know how long the most recent owners have owned the hotel, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.919 and I know that they had Jack and Katrina in 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.600 there not too long ago. So I know that there 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.439 was an episode of Portals film there, and I think 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.640 that's the only paranormal show that filmed there, or maybe 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.199 maybe Ghost Adventures did, I can't remember. But do you know, like, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.719 do they embrace their hauntings there now or are they 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.200 kind of shying away from that. 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.639 No, they're willing to tell stories, but to have groups 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.480 come in, it's a little more difficult to have a 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.520 team come in because you know, it's just kind of 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.920 hard to tell with them whether they they're all forded with, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.399 like you say, whether they're embracing it or not. Obviously 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.600 they're racing it because the history draws people in, but 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.040 as far as investigators going in, it's you know, it's 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.040 still few and far between you and there to investigate. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.400 Well yeah, and it's difficult too because it's a it's 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.840 a working hotel. So unless you want to like buy 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.480 out the whole place, you know, it's which I guess 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.920 if you're a TV production with a lot of money 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:25.200 you could do that. I am not that person. So yeah, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.679 so okay, now there. I know there are certain rooms 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.439 that are haunted. Did you encounter any activity like in 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.440 any of the hotel rooms in particular? 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.240 Yes, Okay, how did that go? 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.600 It was interesting. You know, there's a lot of people, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.439 you know, over the years of those old tails and 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.639 you probably know this is there was a lot of 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.600 disease rampant back then, you know, like we talk about COVID, 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.639 but I mean you look at the colun you look 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.320 at the flu, you know, because people died from the 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.320 flu back home, and the hotel does have a history 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.920 of several guests dying from the flu. And the thing 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.399 is the two main guests, the Weederman's the husband and wife. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.800 They're still they haven't gone anywhere, and so they like 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.440 to appear by your bed. You'll be sleeping and then 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:05.919 you look up and there's a guy with a beard 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:07.359 staring down at you. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:12.240 Yeah, I mean that would be disconcerting, you know, you know, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.320 especially if you're you know, you're up in Plasterville just 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.760 visiting and going wine tasting or something, and then you 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.159 wake up to that in your bedroom, which probably not 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:21.680 what people are looking for. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.600 His wife, Missus Edelman, she appears to people in rooms 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.400 two Eleana two eleven. Yeah, she just shows up wearing 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.920 a blue glove, a flowing blue gown, and I guess 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.520 she emits them from what we could smell. We could 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.440 smell lavender when when she came in the room. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.359 That's interesting, and so her apparition is seen as well. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.240 And now is there anything like that's kind of I mean, 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.040 I don't know if you encountered that or maybe just 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.320 what they reported to you. Has there ever been anything 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.480