Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2: This episode of Haunted Road is extra special to me.
Speaker 2: It takes place in a town where many of you
Speaker 2: know I lived for a time, and many of my
Speaker 2: families still call it home, so I'm there at least
Speaker 2: a few times a year. It's quaint yet eclectic, and
Speaker 2: the whole main street is very, very haunted. Today's location
Speaker 2: is a bit elusive to me, though I've been inside
Speaker 2: it many times, and I've glided my hands across the
Speaker 2: rich wooden railings in the lobby, wondering what stories they
Speaker 2: could tell. But I've never investigated it, never even had
Speaker 2: a paranormal experience there. And let me tell you, after
Speaker 2: the stories and history we will discuss today, I am
Speaker 2: determined to change this asa. Come with me to Placerville, California,
Speaker 2: otherwise known as Old Hangtown, and let's visit the Carry
Speaker 2: House Hotel. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road.
Speaker 2: Nestled in the Eldorado National Forest just east of Sacramento.
Speaker 2: There's a small city called Placerville. It's a colorful community,
Speaker 2: literally pink and blue buildings line the streets with old
Speaker 2: fashioned facades that feel like something out of a technicolor
Speaker 2: Old West. One brick structure on Main Street sticks out.
Speaker 2: It's four stories tall, so it towers over its shorter neighbors.
Speaker 2: Brightly lit and welcoming, A second story balcony is encircled
Speaker 2: by a wrought iron railing strung with lights, all under
Speaker 2: a green awning. More lights dot the roof, illuminating a
Speaker 2: sign that identifies the property as carry House. On the
Speaker 2: side of the building. Another sign special Hotel inside the
Speaker 2: lobby boasts green carpet with a swirling circular pattern reminiscent
Speaker 2: of leaves. The stained glass windows depict the four seasons.
Speaker 2: According to Jerry Beard's article with Style Magazine titled in History,
Speaker 2: carry House Hotel in Plastererville, the forty or so guest
Speaker 2: rooms are all upstairs, and visitors ascend an ornate mahogany
Speaker 2: staircase to reach them. Each chamber has furniture and decor
Speaker 2: appropriate to the eighteen hundreds, elegant nightstands, decorative moldings, and
Speaker 2: windows draped with white curtains. While the building originally had
Speaker 2: shared communal restrooms, for guests.
Speaker 1: These days, each.
Speaker 2: Room has its very own bathroom. Some of the more
Speaker 2: sizeable suites have kitchenettes as well. The business was built
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifteen, reportedly constructed from the bricks of another
Speaker 2: hotel with the same name that previously stood at the
Speaker 2: same address. Before that, a saloon beckoned customers to the
Speaker 2: same spot, called the Eldorado Hotel and Saloon. It was
Speaker 2: founded in the rough and tumble Old West era, which
Speaker 2: is when European prospectors first settled in the region. The
Speaker 2: California gold Rush began in the mid nineteenth century just
Speaker 2: a short distance away from Placerville, which was originally dubbed
Speaker 2: Old Dry Diggins. According to the City of Plasarville's Plasarville
Speaker 2: City History website, the name was a very literal description
Speaker 2: of the process miners would follow to try to recover
Speaker 2: gold from the area. They'd dig up carts of dry dirt,
Speaker 2: then dip the soil into running water to wash away
Speaker 2: the sediment and sort out small bits of ore. Life
Speaker 2: in Old Dry Diggins could be brutal. Buyers often swept
Speaker 2: through town, and because the buildings were made of wood
Speaker 2: and built close together, a small spark could easily burn
Speaker 2: the whole outpost to the ground. The settlement ignited three
Speaker 2: separate times in eighteen fifty six alone. Additionally, communities like
Speaker 2: Old Dry Diggins were often lawless, and it was common
Speaker 2: for citizens to take justice into their own hands. According
Speaker 2: to a journalist named Edward Gouldbuffem, a vigilante mob was
Speaker 2: moved to violence in January of eighteen forty nine. That month,
Speaker 2: five men, none of whom spoke English, were caught attempting
Speaker 2: to rob a man named Lopez. They were arrested and
Speaker 2: sentenced to be publicly whipped thirty nine times. However, after
Speaker 2: their punishment was dealt, another accuser came forward, claiming the
Speaker 2: five had been involved in another attempted robbery and homicide.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say if the accusation was credible because
Speaker 2: the men weren't granted a fair trial. As local historian
Speaker 2: and reporter Doug Noble reported in an October two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine issue of The Mountain Democrat, they were too
Speaker 2: weak from the recent lashing to get to the courtroom,
Speaker 2: so while they recovered in a nearby house, the locals
Speaker 2: threw together a makeshift jury and weighed their guilt without
Speaker 2: taking the accused robber's statements or giving them a chance
Speaker 2: to defend themselves. Edward Buffum was present for them trial,
Speaker 2: and he watched as the townspeople were roused into a
Speaker 2: violent frenzy. One person shouted that the five men should
Speaker 2: be hanged, and many others cheered the idea. When Edward
Speaker 2: tried to calm them and make them listen to reason,
Speaker 2: the crowd turned on him until he quieted. Edward watched
Speaker 2: in horror as the rest of the mob dragged the
Speaker 2: condemned men out of the house. It's possible the accused
Speaker 2: didn't even know what was going on. They repeatedly asked
Speaker 2: for an interpreter, but the locals refused even this mercy.
Speaker 2: Edward writes that the five were blindfolded, bound, and placed
Speaker 2: atop a wagon with nooses around their necks. When the
Speaker 2: wagon pulled forward, the newses tightened, and the men met
Speaker 2: their fates hung from a white oak tree. In an
Speaker 2: article titled Criminal Annals, Part three, Buffem's version of the hangings,
Speaker 2: Doug Noble quotes the article. Edward later wrote about the event.
Speaker 2: He said, this was the first execution I ever witnessed.
Speaker 2: God grant that it may be the last. Sadly, this
Speaker 2: proved to be far from an isolated incident. Another extra
Speaker 2: judicial hanging occurred the following year. In eighteen fifty, the
Speaker 2: Eldorado Hotel and Saloon had recently been erected right across
Speaker 2: the street from the Oak Tree, and one day at
Speaker 2: the hotel a brawl broke out over a card game.
Speaker 2: The fight escalated until a man named Richard Crone nicknamed
Speaker 2: Irish Dick, stabbed another person three times. Sadly, his victim
Speaker 2: did not survive the attack. When Irish Dick was tried
Speaker 2: for the murder, a huge crowd of almost two thousand
Speaker 2: angry locals assembled outside the courthouse. A judge determined the
Speaker 2: killer should be sent to jail, and apparently this was
Speaker 2: too lenient for the townsfolk. When Irish Dick was led
Speaker 2: out of the courthouse, the crowd swarmed over him. Doug
Speaker 2: Noble writes that they tossed a lasso over Irish Dick's
Speaker 2: head and used it to haul him over to a
Speaker 2: nearby white oak dad tree, the same tree the five
Speaker 2: accused robbers were hanged from the year before. Like them,
Speaker 2: Irish Dick died suspended from its boughs in spite of
Speaker 2: the fact that he never received a formal death sentence.
Speaker 2: Thanks to incidents like these, the community earned the nickname Hangtown.
Speaker 2: For fifty years, the official town logo featured an image
Speaker 2: of a tree with a dangling noose, and the oak
Speaker 2: that was used for these hangings became a tourist destination
Speaker 2: in its own right. After it was chopped down, a
Speaker 2: bar was built around the stump, called appropriately the Hangman's Tree. Today,
Speaker 2: you can still trek to three to zero eight Main
Speaker 2: Street and view what remains of the old oak in
Speaker 2: the basement. Local lore aside, it can be tricky to
Speaker 2: speculate on just how common these hangings were, as record
Speaker 2: keeping at the time was less than thorough. That's not
Speaker 2: only true of vigilante activities, but also the day to
Speaker 2: day operations in Hangtown. For example, there were many rumors
Speaker 2: which are almost impossible to verify, of a front desk
Speaker 2: clerk who worked at the carry House Hotel at some
Speaker 2: point in the nineteenth century. His name was Stan Levine.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say if he was an employee at
Speaker 2: the Eldorado Hotel in Saloon, which operated from eighteen forty
Speaker 2: nine to eighteen fifty six. Or the carry House hotel,
Speaker 2: which was built at the same location after a fire
Speaker 2: burned down the initial structure. Either way, there are no
Speaker 2: records of Stan or his tenure, but rumor suggests that
Speaker 2: when he was alive he had a terrible cough. The
Speaker 2: visit El Dorado website also says he was prone to
Speaker 2: drinking to excess, and when he was inebriated, he tended
Speaker 2: to get belligerent and hansy. He had a reputation for
Speaker 2: grabbing his customer's bottoms when he was drunk. It said
Speaker 2: that he died in the hotel where he worked, but
Speaker 2: again this is difficult to verify. Accounts of his death
Speaker 2: very wildly. In some stories, he was murdered after making
Speaker 2: a pass at a male client while they both stood
Speaker 2: at the top of a staircase. The customer was reportedly
Speaker 2: so enraged by the same sex flirtation that he drew
Speaker 2: a knife and stabs Stand twice in the chest. Wounded,
Speaker 2: Stan fell down the stairs and took his last breath
Speaker 2: at the bottom. In other accounts, the killer was a
Speaker 2: jealous husband who flew into a murderous fury after Stan
Speaker 2: flirted with his wife once again. It said the deadly
Speaker 2: confrontation took place on the stairwell, but in this version,
Speaker 2: the husband shot Stan at the bottom. In her book
Speaker 2: Haunted Hotels of the California Gold Country, author Nancy Williams
Speaker 2: writes that Stan dragged himself from the stairs to the parlor,
Speaker 2: where the woman he'd been flirting with watched in horror.
Speaker 2: Stan died as he stared at her tear filled eyes
Speaker 2: and still. Other narratives described Stan simply succumbing to alcohol
Speaker 2: related illness after years of excessive drinking. However, he died,
Speaker 2: it said his spirit remains in the carry house. When
Speaker 2: visitors approached the base of the staircase, they say, a
Speaker 2: wave of great sadness comes over them, and it seems
Speaker 2: like he it never got over his propensity for pinching
Speaker 2: people's bottoms. Guests, men and women alike sometimes feel his
Speaker 2: touch on their backsides in the hotel's lobby and in
Speaker 2: the alley and sidewalk outside the building. Others here stands
Speaker 2: familiar cough or a whistle inside, and when strange mists
Speaker 2: form in the lobby it could be evidence of his presence.
Speaker 2: Stan seems prone to wandering out of the hotel. It's
Speaker 2: reported that the front door often opens on its own,
Speaker 2: and in a bookstore that sits near a bar stand
Speaker 2: used to frequent books often go flying off the shelves.
Speaker 2: Linda Baucher wrote in gold Rush Ghosts of Placerville, Colomba,
Speaker 2: and Georgetown that Stan tears the books down in frustration
Speaker 2: after finding there's no liquor in the shop. However, Stan
Speaker 2: is believed to be equally destructive in a local winery
Speaker 2: tasting room, how Dare.
Speaker 1: You, which he also visits.
Speaker 2: Accounts say he shatters wine glasses and interferes with electronics.
Speaker 2: On one occasion, he cranked the tasting room's music up
Speaker 2: to round out the sound of a customer talking. When
Speaker 2: the bartenders snapped at stand to knock it off, the
Speaker 2: sound abruptly cut out and wouldn't start again for the
Speaker 2: rest of the day. When the wine tasting room is
Speaker 2: supposedly empty, security cameras capture balls of light that have
Speaker 2: been attributed to the deceased desk clerk. In addition, there
Speaker 2: have been accounts of piano music playing at the top
Speaker 2: of the carry houses stairs, disembodied footsteps, and an unseen
Speaker 2: woman crying. The elevators run without being called smelling strongly
Speaker 2: of cigar smoke. Items move on their own, including breakfast food,
Speaker 2: which is sometimes found tossed around the dining area in
Speaker 2: the early hours. Numerous spirits have been spotted in the hotel,
Speaker 2: but many of their identities are unknown. Accounts describe a
Speaker 2: pretty woman in a blue dress and a young girl
Speaker 2: who have each appeared on the staircase. Some suggest a
Speaker 2: former kitchen employee is responsible for the sounds of dishes
Speaker 2: being washed when the kitchen should be empty. That staffer
Speaker 2: may also be the culprit when the breakfast food is disturbed.
Speaker 2: On the carry House page of Haunted Houses dot Com,
Speaker 2: Julie Carr writes of one occasion when an employee stepped
Speaker 2: onto the balcony only to find a man in Old
Speaker 2: West style clothing sitting at a table playing cards. While
Speaker 2: the workers stood unsure of how to react, the prospector's
Speaker 2: spirit slowly faded until no evidence remained to suggest he
Speaker 2: was ever there. Perhaps the most famous specter to appear
Speaker 2: in the Carrey House Hotel may be Black Bart, an
Speaker 2: infamous outlaw who stayed at the hotel during his life.
Speaker 2: Rumors suggest his spirit still lurks in the building. In
Speaker 2: addition to these sightings, strange things happen in the hotel
Speaker 2: that defy explanation. According to author Linda Boucher, on one occasion,
Speaker 2: a woman checked into the carry house and was assigned
Speaker 2: to stay in room two o seven. She was in
Speaker 2: her room when it came time to sign the guest book.
Speaker 2: She pulled out her black inkpen, pressed the tip to paper,
Speaker 2: and everything she und wrote came out blood red. Disturbed,
Speaker 2: the woman paused in confusion. Then she tried to write again,
Speaker 2: and once more, scarlet letters splattered across the page. This
Speaker 2: was so upsetting she ran out of the room with
Speaker 2: the guest books still in her hands, and didn't stop
Speaker 2: until she reached the front desk. There, the woman handed
Speaker 2: the pen to the clerk, but when they tried to write,
Speaker 2: the ink came out and standard black. Another account, one
Speaker 2: more from Linda, describes two women who were spending the
Speaker 2: night in room three oh seven in April twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: One of them woke in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: because her friend was shouting, help me. I am terrified.
Speaker 2: When she rushed over to check on her friend, the
Speaker 2: one who'd cried for help said she'd seen a man
Speaker 2: in a plaid shirt lying in bed with her. When
Speaker 2: she tried to get away, she found herself unable to
Speaker 2: move until her friend ran up to help. Many accounts
Speaker 2: feature Room two twelve, said to be the most haunted
Speaker 2: room at the Carey House hotel. It's often chilly, even
Speaker 2: when the rest of the building is toasty warm. Electronics
Speaker 2: lose power rapidly, a rocking chair sways on its own,
Speaker 2: and visitors detect an ominous ticking noise that doesn't have
Speaker 2: any clear source. In this room, paranormal investigators have made
Speaker 2: contact with the man they've identified as Arnold Widman, a
Speaker 2: teamster who stayed there sometime in the eighteen hundreds. It's
Speaker 2: said he fell ill with influenza and died in the chamber.
Speaker 2: Since then, numerous people claim they've seen him in the room.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he has a long beard, other times witnesses can
Speaker 2: only see him from the chest down, an apparition of
Speaker 2: blue jeans, a flannel shirt and boots, but no shoulder,
Speaker 2: arms or head. His devastated widow is also said to
Speaker 2: haunt the carry house. When she passes through Room two twelve,
Speaker 2: you can tell because the whole area smells of lavender.
Speaker 2: She's also been seen in nearby rooms like two O nine,
Speaker 2: which is also often unseasonably chilly. All these stories are
Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. Some believe the entire
Speaker 2: town of Placerville is haunted.
Speaker 1: I'm one of them.
Speaker 2: While the carry House is a hub for the city's
Speaker 2: spectral activity.
Speaker 1: To help me.
Speaker 2: Make sense of the many, many supernatural activities here, I'm
Speaker 2: talking to Charlotte Cosa. She heads up a paranormal team
Speaker 2: in California called California Haunts and has investigated the carry
Speaker 2: House on multiple occasions. That's coming up after the break.
Speaker 2: I am now joined by a blast from the past
Speaker 2: for me, and we'll go into that a little bit shortly.
Speaker 2: But Charlotte Cosa is joining me, and she is the
Speaker 2: founder of California Haunts in California, a longtime paranormal team
Speaker 2: that I've known of for years, and so it's so
Speaker 2: great to kind of catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Charlotte. Thanks for joining well, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ironic that, like I'm talking about the carry
Speaker 2: House and I've never investigated there because my whole family
Speaker 2: lives in Plasterville and the Bay Area, and like I'm
Speaker 2: in Plasterville multiple times a year, and I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to investigate it, and so I kind of knew it
Speaker 2: was like, I know, I know someone who's investigated this place,
Speaker 2: and your name popped up immediately.
Speaker 3: So I've been around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I've investigated a lot of places in Plasterville.
Speaker 1: I love Plasterville, by the way, I feel like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I moved there my senior year in high school,
Speaker 2: so that was a long time ago, and it just
Speaker 2: really was so charming. And back then it was still
Speaker 2: kind of artsy and rednecky, and nobody really knew about it.
Speaker 2: But now everybody knows about it, and it's really blown up,
Speaker 2: so the secret's out. But it's a great little town.
Speaker 2: But it used to just be like where you stop
Speaker 2: to go to McDonald's and use the bathroom on the
Speaker 2: way to Tahoe, right, right, right.
Speaker 1: So it becomes so much more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Main Street, I mean, every building practically
Speaker 3: on Main Street is haunted every.
Speaker 2: Practically everybody exactly. I've investigated a number of buildings on
Speaker 2: Main Street. I have not gotten my hands into the
Speaker 2: carry house, so I know the stories, I know the history.
Speaker 2: And now you investigated with your team a few times, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: just kind of off the top of your head, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you say is probably the activity that people
Speaker 2: encounter at that hotel most often?
Speaker 3: I think it's Stan. Stan used to be Stan was
Speaker 3: at a disc clerk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I heard too, And like that because
Speaker 2: like there's a laundry list of activity that is attributed
Speaker 2: to Stan. And so did you have any interaction with
Speaker 2: who you think could be him when you investigated there?
Speaker 3: We did, in fact our psychic who was with us
Speaker 3: at the time, who you might know, Oh, probably, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's the one you know that was talking to you.
Speaker 3: And then I haven't right in front of me right now,
Speaker 3: she did she she only whispered, as she says, she
Speaker 3: envisioned it with a mustache, a lot of gray hair,
Speaker 3: and he had a beard. He would have been the
Speaker 3: one who would come back to herself maybe somed she's
Speaker 3: talking about. And then she made the way up the stairs.
Speaker 3: She stepped first up. Yeah, Stan, she encountered all the stairs.
Speaker 2: That's likes right in the live area, like the lobby is.
Speaker 2: You walk into that hotel and it's clearly historic. There's
Speaker 2: like stained glass, it's all dark wood, it's very original.
Speaker 2: Looking and so yeah, I could definitely, I could definitely
Speaker 2: see Stan being a culprit for some things.
Speaker 3: So what she picked up was that he would have
Speaker 3: been a permanent fixtator. She didn't know any information about
Speaker 3: the hotel at all, Okay, so she says that he's
Speaker 3: the one that looks after the building, because that's exactly
Speaker 3: what it is, because he was like the hotel death
Speaker 3: clerk manager, you know, at the hotel when all this
Speaker 3: went down. But he also had and I think you
Speaker 3: know the history, he also had an eye for the ladies. Yes,
Speaker 3: so he was forever flirting with people and whatnot, and
Speaker 3: that's what ended his life. And there's conflicting things about
Speaker 3: the way he passed away too, because some you know,
Speaker 3: some like like my team when we were out there,
Speaker 3: came up with the fact that he was stabbed, okay
Speaker 3: on the stairs there, but there's other people that say
Speaker 3: he was shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's kind of conflicting, right.
Speaker 3: He is, he's been there for a long time, and
Speaker 3: I understand from hotel employees that I have talked to
Speaker 3: during pre interviews for the investigations that he will also
Speaker 3: let them know if there's something wrong and be related
Speaker 3: to like fire.
Speaker 2: Oh really, so he's kind of like he's kind of
Speaker 2: watching over the building.
Speaker 1: How does he let them know? What does he do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I just did think they hear whispers, and I think
Speaker 3: that's pretty much what's going on, because people hear voices
Speaker 3: in there. They can hear whispers, and I think he'll
Speaker 3: talk to the front disc clerks and tell all the stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I mean do you know?
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Like I feel like I don't
Speaker 2: know how long the most recent owners have owned the hotel,
Speaker 2: and I know that they had Jack and Katrina in
Speaker 2: there not too long ago. So I know that there
Speaker 2: was an episode of Portals film there, and I think
Speaker 2: that's the only paranormal show that filmed there, or maybe
Speaker 2: maybe Ghost Adventures did, I can't remember. But do you know, like,
Speaker 2: do they embrace their hauntings there now or are they
Speaker 2: kind of shying away from that.
Speaker 3: No, they're willing to tell stories, but to have groups
Speaker 3: come in, it's a little more difficult to have a
Speaker 3: team come in because you know, it's just kind of
Speaker 3: hard to tell with them whether they they're all forded with,
Speaker 3: like you say, whether they're embracing it or not. Obviously
Speaker 3: they're racing it because the history draws people in, but
Speaker 3: as far as investigators going in, it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: still few and far between you and there to investigate.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's difficult too because it's a it's
Speaker 2: a working hotel. So unless you want to like buy
Speaker 2: out the whole place, you know, it's which I guess
Speaker 2: if you're a TV production with a lot of money
Speaker 2: you could do that. I am not that person. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so okay, now there. I know there are certain rooms
Speaker 2: that are haunted. Did you encounter any activity like in
Speaker 2: any of the hotel rooms in particular?
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, how did that go?
Speaker 3: It was interesting. You know, there's a lot of people,
Speaker 3: you know, over the years of those old tails and
Speaker 3: you probably know this is there was a lot of
Speaker 3: disease rampant back then, you know, like we talk about COVID,
Speaker 3: but I mean you look at the colun you look
Speaker 3: at the flu, you know, because people died from the
Speaker 3: flu back home, and the hotel does have a history
Speaker 3: of several guests dying from the flu. And the thing
Speaker 3: is the two main guests, the Weederman's the husband and wife.
Speaker 3: They're still they haven't gone anywhere, and so they like
Speaker 3: to appear by your bed. You'll be sleeping and then
Speaker 3: you look up and there's a guy with a beard
Speaker 3: staring down at you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would be disconcerting, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: especially if you're you know, you're up in Plasterville just
Speaker 2: visiting and going wine tasting or something, and then you
Speaker 2: wake up to that in your bedroom, which probably not
Speaker 2: what people are looking for.
Speaker 3: His wife, Missus Edelman, she appears to people in rooms
Speaker 3: two Eleana two eleven. Yeah, she just shows up wearing
Speaker 3: a blue glove, a flowing blue gown, and I guess
Speaker 3: she emits them from what we could smell. We could
Speaker 3: smell lavender when when she came in the room.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and so her apparition is seen as well.
Speaker 2: And now is there anything like that's kind of I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you encountered that or maybe just
Speaker 2: what they reported to you. Has there ever been anything
Speaker 2: there that frightened people. Have you heard of guests kind
Speaker 2: of running off in the night or anything like that there?
Speaker 3: I have heard that. Yeah. In fact, just recently one
Speaker 3: of my investigators told me that she she lives up
Speaker 3: and or family loves a Plasterville. So she was up
Speaker 3: on and she told me that she was told by
Speaker 3: employees that, you know, just within the last maybe six months,
Speaker 3: there's been people that have gotten up during the night
Speaker 3: and taken off and not come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see that happening. I'm honestly
Speaker 2: shocked that I haven't stayed there. To be honest, maybe
Speaker 2: next time I'm in town, I'm gonna have to just
Speaker 2: get a room and do some investigating. But I was
Speaker 2: waiting for them to invite me. But I could be
Speaker 2: waiting forever, so maybe I just need to take it
Speaker 2: upon myself.
Speaker 1: So okay, well I went in.
Speaker 3: You know, we went in because I worked for the
Speaker 3: newspaper there at that time, and so we went in
Speaker 3: for the newspaper article. That's how we got in with
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Mountain Democrat. That's right. I really I was
Speaker 1: able to.
Speaker 3: Buy a newspaper article about to carry out. So you know,
Speaker 3: that's how we got the other couple times in the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know what it is.
Speaker 3: It's just that they want to embrace it. But on
Speaker 3: the other hand, they want to go they're trying to
Speaker 3: keep it to themselves, just to draw people in and
Speaker 3: what But I mean, I'm not saying anything against them
Speaker 3: because it's a beautiful place, but it is hard to
Speaker 3: get in there for a full investigation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we clearly we have apparitions, we have
Speaker 2: whispers and like beyond varitions, did you guys encounter like
Speaker 2: any shadow figures or did you get any vps in particular?
Speaker 1: Oh, please tell me all about it.
Speaker 3: As far as EVPs go, we can get a lot
Speaker 3: of good stuff, but we didn't counter shadow figures in
Speaker 3: the there's like there's like a meeting room. You walk
Speaker 3: straight as through the doors in the back doors this
Speaker 3: meeting room, and we were encountering shadow figures as well
Speaker 3: as a downs there's a empty room like a dance floor,
Speaker 3: you know essentially, but that's that room. And but and
Speaker 3: all my investigators saw dark shadows in the corner of
Speaker 3: the bar in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, and then now that area the bar and
Speaker 2: where was that again?
Speaker 1: Is the bar like on the main floor or is
Speaker 1: it downstairs?
Speaker 3: Yeah? When you walk in and you go straight through
Speaker 3: the lobby, and then that room is back there, and
Speaker 3: that's was where they hold their weddings and all that
Speaker 3: stuff back in.
Speaker 1: There got it now.
Speaker 2: I had also heard through the grapevine actually that the
Speaker 2: activity has even kind of spilled out from the hotel itself,
Speaker 2: like meaning that people encounter things like in that little
Speaker 2: there's a cheese Okay, so just really quick for the audience,
Speaker 2: this is like my dream place. By the way, there's
Speaker 2: literally it's this haunted hotel and it has a wine
Speaker 2: shop and a cheese shop attached to it, so I
Speaker 2: could I would never have to leave if I was there.
Speaker 2: So but that, but have you heard that I had
Speaker 2: heard the activities actually spilled into some of those little shops.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure we're part of the hotel in the past, right, Yes.
Speaker 3: It is. In fact, even the Gentleman, although I was
Speaker 3: throwing some extra history here, even the hangman will hang
Speaker 3: out in the hotel, the original hangout.
Speaker 1: I've heard that he gets around.
Speaker 3: Yeah he gets around too. But yeah, it has spilled out.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know what people don't understand about
Speaker 3: Plastoville is, you know, compared to the East Coast, old
Speaker 3: for us is young for you guys out there. But
Speaker 3: when these ghosts hang out, they want to hang out.
Speaker 3: I mean they've been partying coming out of the mine
Speaker 3: so their mindset, they're still there partying, and so main
Speaker 3: Street is just insane with energy. I remember my first
Speaker 3: day on main Street not realizing how much energy that
Speaker 3: it was, and I was having visions all over the place,
Speaker 3: just driving up and down Main Street. I mean they're everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if people visit Plasterville, like it's
Speaker 2: important to note, like, for example, there is a cafe
Speaker 2: a little further down Main Street. It used to be
Speaker 2: the Cosmic Cafe. I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 2: seet my hair done next door and stuff. But like
Speaker 2: literally there is a mine in the back of the building.
Speaker 2: You can just I don't know if it's open now,
Speaker 2: but like you used to be able to just walk
Speaker 2: into this mine all the way back into the mountain.
Speaker 2: You could have your coffee back there. I've investigated there
Speaker 2: a few times, and it's like that all over main Street.
Speaker 2: Like there's the bookstore. There is like a piece of
Speaker 2: like the mine and a cave underneath the floor. They
Speaker 2: have like a plexiglass over you're walking over it looking down.
Speaker 2: I think most recently they had a fake skeleton down
Speaker 2: there last time.
Speaker 3: That right now the guy has a such you know
Speaker 3: where the bookstore, but they're.
Speaker 2: All attached and these build are like that hardware store
Speaker 2: on Main Street. It is the oldest operating hardware store,
Speaker 2: what is it east or west of the Mississippi. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of little claims to fame like that in Placterville,
Speaker 2: and it's just the history there is insane, even you know.
Speaker 2: I obviously I'm I live there for quite a while
Speaker 2: and I still go there all the time. I think
Speaker 2: I'm even listed on their Wikipedia page as a notable resident.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I just I'm in love with that town.
Speaker 2: And even though all the history here in you know,
Speaker 2: New England where I live now, I still like, I
Speaker 2: don't think people realize everything that happened in these kind
Speaker 2: of gold rush towns.
Speaker 1: So Carrie House.
Speaker 2: Hotel or not, I think a lot of that is
Speaker 2: in that hotel still.
Speaker 3: And then plus you have the underground caverns, you know,
Speaker 3: the tunnels out of there were well even for the
Speaker 3: carry house. That's how they got the men folks, the
Speaker 3: ladies of the night. Yeah, without without going like mains
Speaker 3: the main stream, as they say, because they could go
Speaker 3: on pass underneath the streets and everything and then go
Speaker 3: over the world those places and everything.
Speaker 1: That's what I love.
Speaker 2: Everywhere you go in uh In, like those gold rush towns,
Speaker 2: everything was a former bordello.
Speaker 1: It was they all used to be bordello. Everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: You could go to like you know, Taco Bellma, like
Speaker 2: this used to be a bordello. But I love that
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So now we've talked about shadow figures, we've had whispers.
Speaker 2: What other things did you guys encounter there that you
Speaker 2: found like fascinating? The cat a cat okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 3: In the hotel that likes to halt the hotel and
Speaker 3: people will be staying it could be any room in
Speaker 3: the hotel and people will be staying in these rooms
Speaker 3: at night and they'll feel this cat jump up on
Speaker 3: the bed, okay, and they could actually pet the cat.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's been dead for years. This cat,
Speaker 3: it just like to hang out there.
Speaker 2: This is like a documented cat that the hotel had
Speaker 2: at one point, I guess.
Speaker 3: So at some point, Yeah, that was something I could
Speaker 3: tell you that was unique because it was a saloon,
Speaker 3: you know salon, Well you had the history. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we were in that back room and you'll have been
Speaker 3: for the newspaper article, and I actually picked up the
Speaker 3: sound of a chakla, you know how when people will
Speaker 3: like to take a drink and turn the glass over
Speaker 3: and slap it down on the heart on a wood surface. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually picked up the sound of that happening.
Speaker 2: That's so like that they're back there still, you know,
Speaker 2: taking shots in the extra life.
Speaker 1: That I love. But also like going back to the cat.
Speaker 2: I like that because people ask me all the time
Speaker 2: if I've ever encountered the ghosts of animals. They want
Speaker 2: mostly people want to know, like do their animals come back?
Speaker 2: And remarkably, it happens pretty often, especially with cats. Strangely,
Speaker 2: like I've even investigated this is not the carry house.
Speaker 2: When I investigated a place that said they had a
Speaker 2: ghost cat. And this was in New Hampshire somewhere, and
Speaker 2: I remember, obviously as soon as they said that they
Speaker 2: had a ghost cat, I was like where, and they
Speaker 2: said in the basement, and I was like goodbye, and
Speaker 2: I went straight to the basement. So I went down
Speaker 2: there and I actually felt it felt like there was
Speaker 2: a cat rubbing against my leg and I got and
Speaker 2: vp of a cat purring, and so like they definitely
Speaker 2: I mean, I firmly believe that, and especially like can
Speaker 2: you imagine the life that a hotel cat would have,
Speaker 2: like everybody petting it every day and feeding it, Like
Speaker 2: why would they want to leave?
Speaker 3: Right? Absolutely? And you know the Cosmic Well, I thought
Speaker 3: no one was called out, but the Cosmic Cafe also
Speaker 3: has a Fethom cat.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I have to find out what they're called that because
Speaker 2: I have been there since that was the old name.
Speaker 2: But I've been there many times over the years, like
Speaker 2: to see friends, bands and things, and it's a really
Speaker 2: cool space.
Speaker 3: It is a really cool space. So I give you
Speaker 3: an idea the ghosts at the carry house, because that's
Speaker 3: what we're talking about right now. There's a little girl.
Speaker 1: Into the right Okay.
Speaker 3: The theory is that she was a weedman and she
Speaker 3: died of Weederman's their name is she died?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And now did you encounter her at all in your investigations?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, in fact we could hear We could hear
Speaker 3: her running up and now on the second floor hallway
Speaker 3: and she was giggling when we were up there. There's
Speaker 3: another entity that pans out in the meeting room right
Speaker 3: at the hotel and she she just likes to hang
Speaker 3: out in the much people walk by, just she's one
Speaker 3: of those looking.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: And so that's in that same meeting room where you
Speaker 2: saw like shadows and things too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and she had been a prostitute from what
Speaker 3: she told us.
Speaker 2: And now was this gathered like psychically or did you
Speaker 2: get like EVPs or psychically?
Speaker 3: Yeah, delty rods.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, because.
Speaker 3: When we do go out, I'm a stickler for I
Speaker 3: don't put the evidence out through unless I have at
Speaker 3: least two to three verifications on it, right, right, So
Speaker 3: I'll work with dowsing rods and a psychic and then
Speaker 3: you know, cameras and EVPs you know, and all that
Speaker 3: stuff to confirm it.
Speaker 1: That's nice, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's also a wagon driver. Oh but he's always seen.
Speaker 3: He only partially appears, so you get the bottom half.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's not a fall, I've seen that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's all for the waist down.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And so is that like more of a residual spirit,
Speaker 2: like is he interacting?
Speaker 3: I think it's where residual Yeah, I think it's where Okay.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that one.
Speaker 3: And there's also, of course, like all those other hotels,
Speaker 3: there's a cook in the kitchen that doesn't want to go.
Speaker 3: There's only one in the kitchen, and so they've got
Speaker 3: through share.
Speaker 2: That's too funny, So that's prob I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: cast of characters in that place.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, it's a really busy place. I know there's
Speaker 3: reports of people walking by, you know, because they have
Speaker 3: the balcony outside. I know there's reports of people walking
Speaker 3: down main street seeing people in period clothing up all
Speaker 3: that balcony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's funny because so one of the things
Speaker 2: Plasarpa likes to do is there are regularly period dressed
Speaker 2: people walking around because they do, especially during like the
Speaker 2: holidays and stuff, they do wagon rides through town. And
Speaker 2: there's a lot of like living history reenactors, and so
Speaker 2: you would really not know, you would. You could be
Speaker 2: looking at a ghost and you wouldn't know it. You
Speaker 2: would just think it was another reenactor come to think
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: There's also a gambler of course, and there he's one
Speaker 3: of the main ones that hangs out on the balcony.
Speaker 3: He's out there playing cards.
Speaker 1: So that balcony can you even go out there anymore.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they let people out there anymore.
Speaker 3: I know they did the ten years ago, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I haven't been out there. Well.
Speaker 3: I mean we've investigated probably every building on Main Street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot. I mean I've investigated quite
Speaker 2: a few as well. Back in the day. I think
Speaker 2: we even did some group investigations there once where we
Speaker 2: just went from building to building. But yeah, the balcony,
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember it being a little saggy,
Speaker 2: maybe not something you'd want to sit on or stand on.
Speaker 2: So if I saw someone up there, So if I
Speaker 2: saw someone up there now, I would be questioning whether
Speaker 2: or not they were living or not.
Speaker 3: See, that's the main thing, kids, if your ghost other
Speaker 3: we want to hoot ghosts. We don't want to become.
Speaker 2: No, no, you don't want to be you don't want
Speaker 2: to be another one of those casts of characters at
Speaker 2: the Carry House, except you're like the modern ghost.
Speaker 3: And though you know, yeah, you know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we've done so many old hotels that I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that they're all to say because it's not fair to
Speaker 3: say that. But I mean, you're here. You have similar
Speaker 3: you know, ghosts in all.
Speaker 2: These hotels, right, And I think that the history too,
Speaker 2: of just Main Street in general, because you know, Plasterville
Speaker 2: is still referred to as hang town because they did,
Speaker 2: you know, there were a lot of they hung a
Speaker 2: lot of people on the main Street. It was a
Speaker 2: big affair there. Yeah, and so, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if the hanging man is still hanging on Main Street.
Speaker 2: Last time I was there, he was there.
Speaker 3: They closed that. They have torn down that building.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, they.
Speaker 3: Moved it further down main Street, but I think they
Speaker 3: moved him too.
Speaker 2: But there's still Yeah, I feel like he was still there.
Speaker 2: There's literally still a man hanging, a mannequin hanging on
Speaker 2: Main Street.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The interesting thing about that place too is that
Speaker 3: it had upstairs and there was a lot of activity
Speaker 3: upstairs at that place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it sounds like sounds like Plasterville is just as
Speaker 2: busy in the afterlife as it is currently.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I got these weird things with my
Speaker 3: ability is not realizing that I was in pathic really
Speaker 3: until I got to Plasterville. I remember, I would be
Speaker 3: seeing things like if I had an investigation skill somewhere
Speaker 3: I would see the ghost from that particular investigation the
Speaker 3: night before always.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So I'm having lunch. I was supposed to go to
Speaker 3: I don't know, one of the buildings on Main Street.
Speaker 3: I'm having lunch one day and I see this man
Speaker 3: walk from one wall and go through another right in
Speaker 3: front of me.
Speaker 1: Oh geez. Yeah, well that would be alarming and.
Speaker 3: Things like that. Just you know, there was a build
Speaker 3: up to this investigation, just like Anna from from the Boys'
Speaker 3: school up there in I Owe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did do an episode on that as well.
Speaker 2: Preston Castle.
Speaker 3: I went in at the bat in the bathroom at
Speaker 3: my work.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, so they're coming around.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being washed over my shoulder.
Speaker 3: There was this kind of white haired woman sitting there
Speaker 3: in one of those old timey smocks and it was
Speaker 3: Anna Corbin.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know this stuff goes on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I highly recommend de mean, if you if
Speaker 3: you're out and about with your family or whatever, the
Speaker 3: Cailly House for the most part is safe to take
Speaker 3: your family and as far as entities, because they really harm.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are a couple there's always batties. You know,
Speaker 3: you always gonna run into that, but the majority of
Speaker 3: it is that you know, it's just a lost souls there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well tell us what you're doing so you
Speaker 2: can kind of shout it out to the audience. So
Speaker 2: you are obviously you have your team. I know you
Speaker 2: have a podcast. How can people find you?
Speaker 3: They can front me everywhere. I'm on Facebook, true California Hats.
Speaker 3: We also have a California Hots radio site there Shakra
Speaker 3: Minto sears s e E r S. And I'm over
Speaker 3: on Instagram as you know, as goes to Gael. I'm
Speaker 3: on TikTok as California Hats. I have California Hats on
Speaker 3: Twitter and kel hots on all the other one. I
Speaker 3: can do it now. But yeah, there's so many of them.
Speaker 2: There's so many. Yeah, you're You're easy to track down.
Speaker 2: So it was really nice to catch up with you,
Speaker 2: and I do really appreciate you taking the time. And
Speaker 2: so I'll be out there soon next month, out there
Speaker 2: for Christmas and everything. So I'm just gonna go up
Speaker 2: to the carry house and be like, excuse me, let
Speaker 2: me in.
Speaker 3: That would be cool. They were cool.
Speaker 2: In the mid eighteen hundreds. Gold Rush towns like Hangtown
Speaker 2: represented both opportunity and ruin. The promise of glittering ore
Speaker 2: and the chance to strike it rich drew prospectors from
Speaker 2: all over the world, but these frontier towns were also
Speaker 2: hubs of injustice, disease, and violence. Today, the community now
Speaker 2: known as Plastovil, remembers its history. That's clear in everything
Speaker 2: from the nineteenth century style buildings that line Main Street,
Speaker 2: to the historic decor of the rooms at the carry
Speaker 2: House hotel, to the long dead specters that never left.
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