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Speaker 1: We're back for episode season five, episode nine for tonight.
Speaker 1: We're only here to Know. Air February twenty six, two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. And guys, we have Michayla McManus with us.
Speaker 1: We're so excited to have you back. Ready to talk
Speaker 1: about the episode. What would you like to read the synopsis?
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what happened here.
Speaker 2: It's in the chat.
Speaker 1: It's in the chat.
Speaker 2: Now you know how the sausage gets made. Everything's in
Speaker 2: the chat.
Speaker 3: Okay. It's the first game of the season and it's
Speaker 3: Mount's big chance to impress with his coverage of the game. Meanwhile, Haley, Brook, Peyton,
Speaker 3: Lindsay and Mia get locked in the tree Hill Library
Speaker 3: and a lot gets said, particularly between Lindsay and Peyton. Elsewhere,
Speaker 3: Nathan and Lucas endeavored to tell both Haley and Lindsay
Speaker 3: about their indiscretions.
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, this is a packed episode, but man, I
Speaker 1: loved the flow. This felt so good just from the openings.
Speaker 1: Even the recap had music behind it. It was shot
Speaker 1: by Joe Devola, who I don't was he ever a
Speaker 1: music video director because I know he was MTV for
Speaker 1: a long time MGV.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be, he wasn't you know what.
Speaker 1: He did a really great job with this episode. I
Speaker 1: thought the flow was so beautiful. I didn't like the
Speaker 1: music video at the end, like the weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so cringe. I was like, are we going to
Speaker 2: talk about it? All right, let's just talk about it.
Speaker 2: Let's get it out of the way.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get it out of the way.
Speaker 2: Hill go listen.
Speaker 6: You literally have your arms outstretched.
Speaker 2: My arms are outstretched. Listen, you guys. It was an
Speaker 2: awkward time. Our boss was trying to sleep with poor
Speaker 2: sweet Kate and she was just not having it, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I know how to win her over.
Speaker 2: We'll turn the whole episode into a music video for her.
Speaker 2: And even she was a little like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Why would all these characters be lip singing to my song?
Speaker 4: And they were like it's gonna be great, And oh, Michael,
Speaker 4: I said, why would we in the middle of an
Speaker 4: episode start lip syncing to a song we supposedly can't hear.
Speaker 2: We've never heard. She's writing it on the spot. We
Speaker 2: don't even know the song.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid.
Speaker 2: In the script, it was just like it wasn't even
Speaker 2: that we were lip syncing, it's that we were actually
Speaker 2: singing and we had to go into the ADR studio
Speaker 2: and record, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, do you remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Mikayla for you being like brand new, how.
Speaker 1: Uncomfort just lean against this wall of books and you know, sing, sing,
Speaker 1: sing how you're feeling.
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like it was a magnolia like that movie.
Speaker 3: Didn't they do that in the movie?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. Maybe they're trying to copy that.
Speaker 4: I wonder what was that one of the days where
Speaker 4: we'd get the laptop being like, this is the scene
Speaker 4: we're copying.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, because that would happen quite a bit.
Speaker 2: It might have been I don't sing on TV. That's
Speaker 2: not my game, especially not if I know if Joy's singing,
Speaker 2: if Kate's singing, I want no part of this contest
Speaker 2: not happening. And they're like, no, it'll be cool, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to sing song quiet, you can't
Speaker 2: hear me.
Speaker 1: Well, aside from that, I thought it was really fun
Speaker 1: on the flow of everything and the boys, like walking
Speaker 1: into the gym in slow motion was so fun, and
Speaker 1: that mod squad walk.
Speaker 4: Was such a vibe and wide and little Jackson in
Speaker 4: his little uniform it just made me squeal. And then
Speaker 4: thinking about all of us being in the library, I
Speaker 4: was like, where was our.
Speaker 6: Mod squad walk? Yeah, yet all.
Speaker 4: The girls like, come on, they should.
Speaker 6: I wish they'd mirrored it when we got out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, they made us do all the emotional labor
Speaker 2: and we didn't get the payoff about.
Speaker 1: Well, he was great. And also Jamie and Quinton doing
Speaker 1: the wrap on the bench. There were so many nice
Speaker 1: little moments of just set up everything to still remind
Speaker 1: us of what's happening in the story around us, even
Speaker 1: though the whole episode centered on the girls. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: sweet Bread.
Speaker 4: And you know what I loved too was getting into
Speaker 4: the high school and assuming we were going to Haley's
Speaker 4: class because that's why we've been there. In season five.
Speaker 4: The kids that are walking around tree Hill, Hi.
Speaker 2: Look like kids?
Speaker 1: Yes, that was my first note.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, and like there's these little girls in
Speaker 4: our cheer uniforms and it's so surreal. And then suddenly
Speaker 4: we're in your classroom and there's Mia.
Speaker 6: And it's like, wait, what's happened?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you get the behind the scenes, you know,
Speaker 4: the you realize we're on a set and Peyton's directing,
Speaker 4: which I loved, and then the Rick Clark cameo.
Speaker 2: Oh, Rick, that was great. Rick Clark was our real
Speaker 2: first ad for you guys at home. And when they
Speaker 2: pulled that wall in Haley's classroom, that was really Hailey's
Speaker 2: classroom and they just pulled the wall on our stage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was not anything special, it was, but it was.
Speaker 6: So cool to get inside of it.
Speaker 4: And it was always fun for us when you know,
Speaker 4: folks who worked on our crew, who we spend more
Speaker 4: time with than our families would get these little cameos
Speaker 4: and fun fact, I got to have a whole second
Speaker 4: life with Rick because Rick Clark was the first a
Speaker 4: D on Chicago Med so we spent three years working
Speaker 4: in Chicago together, and he's just the most wonderful person
Speaker 4: and it was really fun to.
Speaker 6: See him on camera in this episode.
Speaker 2: Rick Clark's a good dude. When all the me too
Speaker 2: stuff happened, him and one other man from our crew
Speaker 2: are the only men that texted me to be like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I should have protected you. Like, he
Speaker 2: really took a lot of he was very emotionally invested
Speaker 2: in us and was really hurt by what happened. And
Speaker 2: so I love to shout out a good man. He's
Speaker 2: a he's a good one.
Speaker 1: I love that guy.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 6: I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the music video at the beginning was so cool.
Speaker 2: Why do we want to do another one? Weird?
Speaker 1: Couldn't tell you so strange of hers too? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 6: So it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good epic opening and then leading us
Speaker 1: all into the gym. It was fun. It was a
Speaker 1: fun I mean, there was a lot of levels, a
Speaker 1: lot of layers for us to play with in this episode.
Speaker 1: There was a lot to try and navigate, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to give away too much too soon,
Speaker 1: trying to keep the comedy going, but also all the
Speaker 1: underneath layers of the drama and animosity. It was a
Speaker 1: lot to balance. I'm proud of us, guys. I thought
Speaker 1: we did really.
Speaker 2: I just want to know why Peyton chooses the day
Speaker 2: we're shooting the music video. We've been there all day.
Speaker 2: Why she chooses like that specific moment to be like, Hayley,
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry about all the Lindsay stuff. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let it go. I swear like it was such a
Speaker 2: weird thing to be like, Oh, by the way, this
Speaker 2: elephant in the room, I'm so sorry you haven't addressed this.
Speaker 2: It's gonna play later, so I should say it right now.
Speaker 4: Let me do it in front of a bunch of
Speaker 4: people when there's cameras in the room. This is the
Speaker 4: absolute right moment for this conversation.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 2: But also, what is Peyton doing going to that basketball game?
Speaker 2: That's weird? Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then Peyton's response because she's looking at you guys, yeah,
Speaker 4: and me, the three of us, She's looking at us
Speaker 4: in the stands, she goes, who we hate the girls?
Speaker 4: Sheep has engagement ring to my best friends friend so rude.
Speaker 3: It is funny because in the previous episode you have
Speaker 3: like this beautiful scene at the end with Lucas in
Speaker 3: the gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that scene. You're so connected and emotional and
Speaker 3: you handle the whole thing with such grace after everything
Speaker 3: that went down, and you say, you know something along
Speaker 3: the lines that I'm always gonna love you, but if
Speaker 3: you need me to let you go, I will. I'll
Speaker 3: do that for you. It's a really like you kind
Speaker 3: of just surrender yourself to these circumstances. And I saw
Speaker 3: a little bit of that too, even with your you know,
Speaker 3: interaction with Haley during that music video where were like,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm gonna work on this. It's hard. I'm
Speaker 3: going to do my best, and then it just like goes,
Speaker 3: it goes ye whole other mode.
Speaker 2: You mean the episode written by your wonderful husband that
Speaker 2: made Peyton like a fully, like, fleshed out person who
Speaker 2: was not just a vindictive bitch. He didn't write this one,
Speaker 2: and it really had It felt like this was written
Speaker 2: by our city boss and it was during the strike
Speaker 2: so it couldn't be changed. And I remember having the
Speaker 2: fight about the character assassination element here because I can
Speaker 2: understand Peyton being like pissy. The Brooke and Haley are
Speaker 2: all budied up with lindsay like, Okay, I get it,
Speaker 2: but not to the point of being this combative. And
Speaker 2: when we shot you guys coming in, it was like
Speaker 2: right before the commercial break, when you guys come in
Speaker 2: and you and I like really got into it right
Speaker 2: off the bat, right off the bath, so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember them saying to me. It was Jodovola directing,
Speaker 2: and he's like, it needs to be bitchier, it needs
Speaker 2: to be bitchier, it needs to like this is the
Speaker 2: commercial break, make a snap, you know. And it was
Speaker 2: his first time directing, and so he was really trying
Speaker 2: to make art and I was. If you notice at
Speaker 2: the end of the episode it was dedicated to Bernard Kowalski,
Speaker 2: and that was my boyfriend's grandfather. It was our dp's dad,
Speaker 2: it was my boyfriend's dad's father in law, you know,
Speaker 2: Like it was such a huge blow to that whole
Speaker 2: family and that was the only grandfather that I have had,
Speaker 2: really and we were all devastated, and so they all
Speaker 2: left to go to the funeral in La and I
Speaker 2: was having to fly back and forth and so I've
Speaker 2: got Joe screaming at me, dealing with like a real death, and.
Speaker 1: I lost my mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys remember this, but I
Speaker 2: was in those bookshelves hiding and he's yelling direction at
Speaker 2: me from across the library, and our boss was behind him,
Speaker 2: like whispering in his ear, telling him what to say.
Speaker 2: And I finally yelled back like, well, why don't you
Speaker 2: have so and so take his hand out of here
Speaker 2: and stop using you as a puppet, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it my way. Like it became this like super
Speaker 2: combative thing, and I burst into tears. I was like,
Speaker 2: this girl's broken hearted. Her two best friends have ditched
Speaker 2: her for this replacement girl, and it hurts. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: be mean, it should be sad. And so I'm hiding
Speaker 2: in the bookcase crying and Steve Allen, our grip, came
Speaker 2: around and found me and just wrapped me into the
Speaker 2: biggest hug and he was just like he's just like
Speaker 2: whisper to my ears, like come up, Sis, come up.
Speaker 2: And so then I you can see in the scene
Speaker 2: when you guys all come in, my eyes are super
Speaker 2: red and Peyton does legitimately just look like hurt. And
Speaker 2: I thought for that, like it has to come from
Speaker 2: a place of hurt. Otherwise it's so dumb.
Speaker 1: Girls aren't like that, especially after she just said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work on this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be bigger well, and that I mean to
Speaker 4: your pointment, Kayla, about what you were saying last week,
Speaker 4: about how so often, like getting into this new medium
Speaker 4: for you, you were surprised about how, like week to
Speaker 4: week you would learn things about your character. We had
Speaker 4: been fighting these fights for years of like last week,
Speaker 4: I did this, so why am I now doing that
Speaker 4: this week? It doesn't make sense? And they would tell
Speaker 4: us essentially to stay in our lanes. And something that
Speaker 4: struck me is this my lane. I'm like, I think
Speaker 4: that my character is my exact lane.
Speaker 1: Didn't you hire me to actually literally be this lane.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it struck you two and MICHAELA,
Speaker 4: I don't know how far you've gone back, but I went, oh,
Speaker 4: they just have this lazy device when there's a love triangle,
Speaker 4: because essentially what they did was they made Peyton speak
Speaker 4: in the petty, unbearably mean ways that when Peyton, Brooke
Speaker 4: and Lucas were in a love triangle, they would make
Speaker 4: Brook speak and it was like vicious and vindictive and
Speaker 4: like always about weight and always like it was just
Speaker 4: gross and it wasn't rooted in any feeling, so we
Speaker 4: would have to find the feeling. And watching this episode tonight,
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, they've essentially made Peyton into Brooke
Speaker 4: and Lindsay into Peyton.
Speaker 1: And wow, the same old, same old.
Speaker 4: These guys we work for are just like this is
Speaker 4: how women would fight over us.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is actually sidebar when Cap and you
Speaker 1: and guys are walking into the library and you like,
Speaker 1: do you want to see where I got shot? Which
Speaker 1: is such a weird way to like why in the world.
Speaker 2: Sophie and I looked at each other while we were watching.
Speaker 1: We were just like, what is this dialogue so tacky?
Speaker 1: But Kate says, Okay, what she says is cat fight
Speaker 1: can wait, but it sounds like she's saying camp and wait.
Speaker 1: It's really funny because I did have to go back.
Speaker 2: And rewind it.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, did.
Speaker 2: We get away with something?
Speaker 6: Did we get away with that?
Speaker 4: It's just so odd and that every once in a
Speaker 4: while we'd have episodes like this where there'd be this
Speaker 4: beautiful depth where Lindsay and Peyton get to and this
Speaker 4: shared loss of parents and like beautiful acting on both
Speaker 4: of your parts, and then like you know whatever, it
Speaker 4: is like you know, Peyton's a bitch and manface Lindsay
Speaker 4: and the song, and it's like, what, how are these
Speaker 4: two things happening in the same episode of television?
Speaker 6: I literally don't understand.
Speaker 3: Well. I remember the first time I read this script
Speaker 3: and hearing those insults or reading those insults, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is just so below the belt. It's I don't
Speaker 3: I cannot believe that either of these characters would say so,
Speaker 3: it would spew such a bitriol. No. I know they're
Speaker 3: and they're dealing with a lot, and and you know
Speaker 3: it's important to show all the colors of people. Sure,
Speaker 3: like we're not perfect, but this just took it to
Speaker 3: such a place that I was like, this does not
Speaker 3: ring true to me. I would I know, I would
Speaker 3: never say this kind of thing.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, But even if we were, it's not clever.
Speaker 2: It's not clever, like we would be smart about it
Speaker 2: to be like that's okay, that's the choice.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make two women actually write that see that scene?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or one woman. But like if you put two women
Speaker 1: in a room and figure out how it would actually go, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot smarter.
Speaker 3: Because I felt that when and this is I'm jumping
Speaker 3: ahead a little bit, but in that moment where Lindsay
Speaker 3: has the breakdown and you kind of push the buttons
Speaker 3: and oh, Daddy's little girl and Daddy's like that to
Speaker 3: made sense because I'm like, Okay, yes, so many assumptions
Speaker 3: based on what we've seeing people are what we think
Speaker 3: we've all done that we've all been guilty of that.
Speaker 3: And then you're like, oh, I was so wrong about
Speaker 3: a messed up right that I get that ugliness right,
Speaker 3: like that's human and that feels right. But this stuff,
Speaker 3: like it felt a little blurry to me when I
Speaker 3: read the script and I was like, is this is
Speaker 3: this Lindsay saying this to Peyton or is this somebody
Speaker 3: else saying this to Hillary? And vice versa. It felt
Speaker 3: and pointed in a way that was like, yeah, really
Speaker 3: kind of upset me in the moment, and then and
Speaker 3: then having to having to like what you said, Sofia,
Speaker 3: it's like you have to find this, you have to
Speaker 3: find like where are you coming from to say this?
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 2: Challenging the only thing that I could think that like
Speaker 2: saved it is. What you're witnessing are two animals of
Speaker 2: the same species, right, Like Lindsay and Peyton are the
Speaker 2: same species and we're all cats, but these are the
Speaker 2: two like jaguars, you know, that are just like, oh,
Speaker 2: you wanted to go, cool, let's go. And I heard
Speaker 2: a really interesting quote once about people who have really
Speaker 2: similar personalities like that, and it's that they can survive
Speaker 2: in the wild together when they each have their own
Speaker 2: territory and everything's cool. But you put them in a
Speaker 2: cage and they have to kill each other. They just
Speaker 2: have to because only one can survive. And I the
Speaker 2: only like glimmer of hope I can see from all
Speaker 2: of this super nasty exchange is that we're seeing that
Speaker 2: Lucas basically has fallen for the same girl. They're just
Speaker 2: so similar in that way where they are noble but
Speaker 2: they're not afraid to get dirty, and they're also able
Speaker 2: to correct themselves, which not everyone is able to do.
Speaker 3: Thank God for that. At the end of the episode, Yeah.
Speaker 2: If we just had to live in that stew.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pauz, But yeah, where you guys take it, and
Speaker 4: that's it. That's why it feels confusing, right, it's like whiplash.
Speaker 4: There's such authenticity and it feels relieving of course, but
Speaker 4: also I don't know, it's just confusing that we get
Speaker 4: to that place that's so good, but we had to
Speaker 4: start in this other place. And yeah, maybe it was
Speaker 4: also to your point, Hillary, the immaturity of like a
Speaker 4: first time director going make it bigger, make it meaner,
Speaker 4: like because they think that's what something requires.
Speaker 1: Like big equals drama.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like, I don't think so, but there
Speaker 4: were there were all of these moments that were so great, like.
Speaker 6: And it makes it a little Yeah.
Speaker 4: The only word I can I keep coming back to
Speaker 4: is whiplash. It makes it feel really like jostling to
Speaker 4: have such good emotion and such good comedy, like MICHAELA
Speaker 4: when you fall backwards with that chair, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: Like I did a spit take. I laughed so hard
Speaker 4: when like when Mouth's ringer is Looney Tunes and it's
Speaker 4: like I just was like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: This stuff is so funny?
Speaker 4: And then yeah, when they start taking cheap shots, You're like, wait,
Speaker 4: but we know how to be funny and we know
Speaker 4: how to be really vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Can we can we do more?
Speaker 6: Of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could have had expensive shots rather than cheap shots.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It was a writers strike.
Speaker 2: What were you gonna do? See kids, see what happens.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Yeah, is the strike? Oh well,
Speaker 1: well I like that.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of the episode, we get that that
Speaker 2: little bit of Nathan and Haley and you think he's
Speaker 2: gonna tell her. Oh god.
Speaker 6: I was like, thank god.
Speaker 2: And I liked it because while while Kayla and I
Speaker 2: are in the for the whole episode and Haley's just
Speaker 2: like I have the voice of reason, there's just that
Speaker 2: little thing in the back of your head like she
Speaker 2: doesn't even know her shit's worse than ours.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 4: Her husband's kissing the nanny and he's seen or naked.
Speaker 2: Multiple times multiple times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been fun to play up a
Speaker 1: little bit more, the sort of know it all, like
Speaker 1: Hailey trying to be, you know, be in charge of everything,
Speaker 1: and like, really, I wish I had a little more
Speaker 1: to do. That would have been a good thing because
Speaker 1: it would just show you how much she didn't know.
Speaker 1: Until the next episode.
Speaker 4: Well, it would have been cool, like in that way
Speaker 4: that Haley pushes back on Brook about her mom when
Speaker 4: like when the initial chopped in the library, let's talk
Speaker 4: turns into the Victoria is not good for you, bitch?
Speaker 1: Yeah that you all do for me.
Speaker 4: If if somehow they'd been able to give that same
Speaker 4: sort of gusto that you got to have in what
Speaker 4: I can tell you about a mother or is this
Speaker 4: and a mother's love is unconditional? And like it was
Speaker 4: such a good push at Brook. It would have been
Speaker 4: so cool if they had figured out a device where
Speaker 4: like you thought you were gonna be with Lucas, you're
Speaker 4: engaged to Lucas, this is what marriage is, like, it
Speaker 4: would have been so juicy if Haley it had a
Speaker 4: similar like I'm the best mom and I'm the best
Speaker 4: wife and let me tell you what marriage is and
Speaker 4: everybody the audience would have been cringing. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 4: like they missed the opportunity totally.
Speaker 2: Oh how creepy. The Carrie just like swept in though, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm going to grad school.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to grad school and I'm gonna miss
Speaker 4: you more than you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, god die. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so great that Tory is so great because it would
Speaker 1: have been tough if she was like weird and bitchy
Speaker 1: or like very like competitive and you know, jealous or something,
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes you work with women like that's
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't know how to fun around those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Tori is so great. It's so hard to be
Speaker 1: mad at her.
Speaker 2: I know I love her, but didn't make all of
Speaker 2: us question how we hire nanni's. Like none of us
Speaker 2: were mothers at the time, but I've had to hire
Speaker 2: a multima nanny's.
Speaker 1: There's no way I would hire a nanny that looks
Speaker 1: like her.
Speaker 2: It It did get into my head a little bit.
Speaker 2: You guys, I'm a level with you, just like because
Speaker 2: there was there was one chick in LA that I
Speaker 2: had gotten on referral when I was doing as I
Speaker 2: don't I feel like Gray's anatomy or something, and this
Speaker 2: chick came over and she was there for one day
Speaker 2: and I came home and she was swimming, and I
Speaker 2: was like, nope, gotta go peace. You do a kid
Speaker 2: goodbye pass.
Speaker 1: That's so inappropriate relationship.
Speaker 3: They're like in your home and with your kids, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she you know what if she's going to
Speaker 1: be in your house swimming with your husband and your child.
Speaker 1: She should be in a like a wetsuit, like one.
Speaker 3: Of the little.
Speaker 2: One of those nineteen twenties like pantaloons, the.
Speaker 1: Sake of like a per total propriety in letting you
Speaker 1: know you should be comfortable because I am totally out
Speaker 1: of you know, off limits.
Speaker 3: That moment when she calls, Oh god, it's so creepy.
Speaker 3: First of all, when she calls, he calls her her mama, which, oh,
Speaker 3: understandable they're spending some time, but it is such a
Speaker 3: like it's such a close relationship. And then that moment
Speaker 3: where she says, can I tell you a secret? So
Speaker 3: she's like, sometimes I pretend you're my kid.
Speaker 6: She said, you know that with all of us so badly.
Speaker 3: I did not like that.
Speaker 6: I do like.
Speaker 2: No, that's like our worst nightmare.
Speaker 1: Ye oh my, don't do that psychony.
Speaker 2: Oh Nanny Carrey. Oh, I mean, do we think Nathan's
Speaker 2: gonna tell her for real? Right?
Speaker 1: Well, now that she's leaving, I think she's trying to
Speaker 1: get it so that he doesn't have to tell her
Speaker 1: because now she's removing herself from the equation and so
Speaker 1: she's not a threat anymore. So that buys her a
Speaker 1: little more time of him not telling her.
Speaker 2: But he says at the end of the episode with Lucas, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 4: Says that thing, I wait, where is it? I wrote
Speaker 4: it down that I thought was really really beautiful to hear,
Speaker 4: especially from Nathan, like just given his dynamic growing up
Speaker 4: with Dan and Dan's jersey being pulled off the wall,
Speaker 4: like yeah, and Mouth's whole overview of this is really
Speaker 4: a story about fathers and sons. That they wrapped that
Speaker 4: all up with Nathan saying, I have to stop being
Speaker 4: my father and start being the father my son thinks
Speaker 4: I am like he is saying that he wants to
Speaker 4: be different, he wants to live up to being the
Speaker 4: kind of man that is a goal. And I feel like,
Speaker 4: I don't remember what happens in the next one, but
Speaker 4: I feel like he wants to tell Haley or is
Speaker 4: gonna tell Haley or I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I just love that he's like, I'm gonna tell Haley
Speaker 2: and Lucas, who he just confronted about kissing Peyton Like crickets,
Speaker 2: there's not one one minute where Lucas is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I should probably tell Lindsey too, right right, No, nothing,
Speaker 2: not even slightly and by the.
Speaker 4: Way, it's Peyton who cleans up Lucas's mess because Brooke
Speaker 4: reveals in this episode that she's seen that ring.
Speaker 6: She knows it was Peyton's.
Speaker 4: Ring, and Peyton does the greatest kindness and says, I
Speaker 4: only know what that ring looks like because Keith gave
Speaker 4: it to Karen.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 6: That made me cry.
Speaker 4: I was like, that is such a beautiful choice. That
Speaker 4: is a great piece of writing.
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 6: You, Michayla, you.
Speaker 4: Carry that into that last scene when Lindsay goes to
Speaker 4: sit with Lucas in the gym and you ask what
Speaker 4: he's thinking about and he says, Keith, like, you can
Speaker 4: see it on your face that.
Speaker 6: You know that now.
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful, and.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 4: When the episode ended, I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: I'm here having all these feelings about Lucas and Lindsay
Speaker 4: being like oh, and then I'm like, wait, wait, Peyton
Speaker 4: cleaned up his mess. Nathan says he's gonna go clean
Speaker 4: up his mess, but that boy's not cleaning Lucas is
Speaker 4: not cleaning up his mess currently. I wonder if he
Speaker 4: will in five point ten, which we shall see.
Speaker 2: Mikayla. When we watched the last episode that your husband wrote,
Speaker 2: and it was that speech in the gym where it's
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be like Keith and I am gonna
Speaker 2: love you, but let you go. I loved it, but
Speaker 2: we joked about how manipulative it is right where it's
Speaker 2: like Peyton's like, I'm Keith now, I'm Keith and you're
Speaker 2: Karen now. And so every time every time he said
Speaker 2: in this episode, I'm thinking about Keith, I loved it.
Speaker 2: I cracked up because I was like, is this talking
Speaker 2: think about Keith or Keith Peyton? Keith Peyton?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't even catch that.
Speaker 6: That's so fun.
Speaker 1: The next T shirt we're making Keith Peyton.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is now that you know Peyton dropped
Speaker 2: the Keith bomb. Now that's all Lucas is thinking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have like these great we have so many
Speaker 1: of these great fan questions about Lindsay. One of them
Speaker 1: is from Lincoln and he said, you and Chad had
Speaker 1: great chemistry. What do you think made Lucas and Lindsay
Speaker 1: work as a couple. What was it that when you
Speaker 1: got there you like, I mean, because you guys did,
Speaker 1: there was there was a great chemistry between the two
Speaker 1: of you. Did you ever spend time thinking about what
Speaker 1: that is or you just sort of like we're experiencing
Speaker 1: being there.
Speaker 3: Oh. The only thing I can speak to is we
Speaker 3: got along like Gangbusters, you know when the camera's rolling.
Speaker 3: It was just like easy with him. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: said before, like he was super. He would just like
Speaker 3: hold my hand through all of the me learning and
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out as I went along, because
Speaker 3: the only thing to do is just like jump in
Speaker 3: and go, you know. Yeah, you just kind of have to,
Speaker 3: like the train is going and you just have to
Speaker 3: like jump on all off the train. And so I
Speaker 3: was so appreciative of that that maybe that's what what
Speaker 3: you you know, are seeing. I mean I certainly every
Speaker 3: time I have a love interest on any show, it's
Speaker 3: like I really hope that I can connect with that
Speaker 3: person off screen. Yeah, oh, that that will just naturally
Speaker 3: play out, you know on screen.
Speaker 1: Did you get like were fans because you guys did
Speaker 1: have good chemistry, I mean, did fans Were you getting mail?
Speaker 1: Were you getting like things on message boards like hate mail?
Speaker 2: Did they love him to Lindsay?
Speaker 3: People? Oh no, people hate Lindsay. Why I'll read just
Speaker 3: like because I got in the way of the Peyton
Speaker 3: Lucas love story, you know. So I remember I went
Speaker 3: off to.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't hate Jake Chagelski. Is this hosogyny thing.
Speaker 6: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just really went after Lindsay. And when I went
Speaker 3: off to do Law and Order, I remember Mike being like,
Speaker 3: I feel like I should tell you this. There's like
Speaker 3: a petition circulating online and it's these like one Tree
Speaker 3: Hill fans. Oh no, yes, and they were like, now
Speaker 3: she's on Law and Order, sign this petition. We want
Speaker 3: her out, we want And I'm like, you, guys, that.
Speaker 6: Is literally insane.
Speaker 3: That's but it was. It was serious. And people remember
Speaker 3: when we did the charity basketball game. They we did
Speaker 3: like an autograph signing and I was saying you and
Speaker 3: this woman was just like staring daggers at me, like
Speaker 3: down the line. I could feel it, and the grown
Speaker 3: woman like she's there with her teenage daughter and she
Speaker 3: finally gets to me and she looks me square in
Speaker 3: the eyes and she goes, he doesn't love you, weird,
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa. And you Sofia, you like
Speaker 3: swooped right in. You're like okay, this is not real life.
Speaker 3: This is Mikayla.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's amazing, She's doing her job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the fans aren't like there is a major backlash.
Speaker 3: For sure with Lindsay. I think she just like stirred
Speaker 3: a lot, and I don't think people like that very much.
Speaker 3: So that was a whole other experience to have to
Speaker 3: deal with.
Speaker 6: I was like, my god, I'm so sorry person.
Speaker 2: You know, wait, have you done conventions? Have you done
Speaker 2: any of the one Tree Hill conventions?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Oh you have the CODs.
Speaker 2: Listen if you ever want to do a convention, I
Speaker 2: would love to do a Clayton Lindsay photo and just
Speaker 2: be like, you got to take both of us. We're
Speaker 2: a package deal. Yes, yeah, I like all these I
Speaker 2: get it because when it was Brooke and Lucas and
Speaker 2: Peyton was the meddlesome one, like the hate was so
Speaker 2: I mean, there's still girls online that are like that.
Speaker 6: Oh by the way, and same for me.
Speaker 4: We are just like you never stood a chance you
Speaker 4: are And I'm like, oh wow, I know that this
Speaker 4: was our job, like that none of those relationships were
Speaker 4: real relationships, right.
Speaker 3: Because it's like they're really in it, they really in it.
Speaker 3: You know, so you're like, Okay, I guess.
Speaker 2: I want to believe in something like that. That's why
Speaker 2: I watched Pump Rules because it.
Speaker 4: Is any way. I really do think that because you
Speaker 4: watch that with your husband and like the internet listen that,
Speaker 4: our phones listened to everything we do. There was a
Speaker 4: wait where I was like, why am I suddenly getting
Speaker 4: all this vander Pump it's me stuff on my Instagram?
Speaker 4: Like why is the algorithm serving me this?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Jeffrey, Yeah, it's the Morgans, it's
Speaker 2: you and your husband. God, I love it, you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: So you know who loved the drama more than anyone
Speaker 2: in this episode is our sweet Kate Vogel.
Speaker 4: Oh, God, just.
Speaker 2: Loved it. She went from being a wallflower to being
Speaker 2: like the instigator this episode. Yeah, she was pulling some strings.
Speaker 1: It was like, let's be nice to each other now,
Speaker 1: maybe we should just like bitch a little bit right now.
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she let that whole the music bit. She was like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why is there a guitar in the library?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever seen a guitar in a library?
Speaker 2: No? No, I mean like the whiskey. I can believe
Speaker 2: the guitar is a little far fetched.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so odd and interesting too that, like,
Speaker 4: to your point, she really does feel like she's hitting
Speaker 4: all the keys in this episode because she.
Speaker 6: Wants to know who we hate.
Speaker 4: She wants to dig into the stuff, she wants to
Speaker 4: kind of needle everybody. And then she's also like, maybe
Speaker 4: girls shouldn't tear each other down and we should just
Speaker 4: compliment each other. And I'm like, what's happening here, babe?
Speaker 6: But I did like that part.
Speaker 2: It's fun to show someone else your old stomping grounds,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I liked kind of this little
Speaker 2: buddy energy. Then pain in me a had and it,
Speaker 2: I mean, it did hurt to randomly open up the
Speaker 2: doors of Trick and look inside the gym. Well, that
Speaker 2: was so weird, so weird. And I remember saying, like,
Speaker 2: this is Dune. But it was a first time director
Speaker 2: and they wanted to make art.
Speaker 4: Well so well, And you know what I was feeling
Speaker 4: when I watched that, I felt like they they had
Speaker 4: gone ooh. When we pulled back the sides of the
Speaker 4: set of Haley's classroom, it looked really cool. Let's do
Speaker 4: it with the trick doors, and then we'll be in
Speaker 4: the gym and we can make it our thing, Like
Speaker 4: somebody decided it would be a cool transition. And it's like,
Speaker 4: but the bar doesn't open into the gym, so it
Speaker 4: doesn't work the same.
Speaker 2: Guys, It's like for Dora Hats, like let's look at
Speaker 2: for do hats.
Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should leave that in the forties.
Speaker 2: But I think Mia treating all of the women in
Speaker 2: the library as characters allowed her to be the voice
Speaker 2: of our viewers because she's getting to say all the
Speaker 2: things that the viewers at home wanted to say.
Speaker 6: And you know what's so interesting about you saying that?
Speaker 4: I'm just realizing that while we're in the library, Mia goes.
Speaker 6: And finds Lucas's book for the first time.
Speaker 4: She's the one person who hasn't read it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in a way, she's.
Speaker 4: Really like she's she's paging through the book in real time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a weird sensation to have, Like lindsay, have
Speaker 2: edited the book and and know like intimate details about
Speaker 2: our lives.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he still used our real names in
Speaker 1: the book. Yeah he did.
Speaker 2: Have you guys, ever had someone that just knew too
Speaker 2: much about you in real life, and you're like, how
Speaker 2: do I I don't know how to navigate this. I
Speaker 2: have no idea you mean like.
Speaker 1: You mean like a friend who like in social circles
Speaker 1: or something who would like out you about.
Speaker 2: Like Lindsay's clearly a part of our world now, but
Speaker 2: in a way that like none of the conversations are natural.
Speaker 2: I can never be like, hey, Lindsay, let me talk
Speaker 2: to you about when my mom died, because she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I edited the book about it. Oh right.
Speaker 1: Oh. I hate that. I hate knowing things about people
Speaker 1: that they don't know that I know. It's the worst.
Speaker 6: It's why I can't talk to famous people.
Speaker 4: I can't like if we go we go to on
Speaker 4: a word show, I can't like talk to if I cannot,
Speaker 4: I cannot because I'm like, am I supposed to ask
Speaker 4: how you are or what you've been up to? You're
Speaker 4: here nominated in a movie, like I don't I lose
Speaker 4: the ability to speak to a person when I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know so much about you, not even necessarily by choice,
Speaker 4: and I've lost the ability to ask you questions like
Speaker 4: a normal person.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to leave now absolutely the same experience.
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating, it's kind I think that's why I
Speaker 1: like check out of celebrity culture. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on or who anybody is anymore, because I want
Speaker 1: to be able to have an honest conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah I cannot. I just can't be a part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't like to google anybody because
Speaker 3: I don't like to know anything.
Speaker 1: No, it's too scary.
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering for you, Hillary having written your book
Speaker 3: because it is so personal, it's so much of your journey,
Speaker 3: and like, do you feel that way about people?
Speaker 2: I never know who's read it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like I think I was Uh, I didn't think it through.
Speaker 2: And so when all my teachers from a middle school
Speaker 2: and high school read it and did a book club,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man, I talk about my sex
Speaker 2: life in this that's weird, okay. And now that I'm
Speaker 2: doing more stuff at my kids' school, I'm always kind
Speaker 2: of caught off guard by who's read it because I
Speaker 2: assume that no one did, you know, Like that's a
Speaker 2: weird thing, Like why would they? And then sometimes people
Speaker 2: would tell me and I'm just like, oh, oh, you
Speaker 2: see my husband and I have basketball games, Like you
Speaker 2: definitely know that I made him have sex with me
Speaker 2: so I can have a baby. Like that's It's just
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't think it through and you're
Speaker 2: doing it. The book thing's weird cause it's not immediate
Speaker 2: gratification like a TV show is like once that is
Speaker 2: out into the world. Yeah, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 2: a different format than a book. A book feels really
Speaker 2: like secret telling.
Speaker 1: Would you rather someone who you don't know, who you're
Speaker 1: meeting for the first time and you're getting to know them,
Speaker 1: would you rather that if they had read your book?
Speaker 1: Would you rather them tell you straight away oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I read your book and blah blah, or would you rather
Speaker 1: find out later? Because they were like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I should say it, and then.
Speaker 2: No, definitely have a We have a painter that lives
Speaker 2: here on our property and helps us with our animals
Speaker 2: and then like paints the landscapes and stuff. And he
Speaker 2: came highly recommended through friends of ours. We just needed
Speaker 2: a body on the farm to help here. And when
Speaker 2: he first moved on to the property, he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right away. I listened to
Speaker 2: your audiobook and I don't want that to be weird.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know what I was getting into
Speaker 2: up here, and I respect your journey, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to be a creeper and like pretend I didn't
Speaker 2: know things about you guys that I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, that's so great, awesome,
Speaker 1: such a good way to handle that.
Speaker 2: Thanks for telling me. Yeah, yeah, it made me feel
Speaker 2: much better. But also like as a boy, sorry you
Speaker 2: had to sit through all that. That was a lot
Speaker 2: of fertility talk, my guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, probably good for him.
Speaker 3: I think I reached out to you right after I
Speaker 3: read it. Both my mom and Mike gifted me that
Speaker 3: book from Oh Babe, And it was the start of
Speaker 3: the pandemic and I miscarried and I went in for
Speaker 3: my DNC Friday before Mother's Day, and like so healing
Speaker 3: for me. It was, Yeah, it's really brave to put
Speaker 3: all of that out there, and I think you've helped
Speaker 3: a lot of people like you certainly helped me. It was.
Speaker 3: I loved it so much and I realized beyond our
Speaker 3: four dum connection, we had the same midwife.
Speaker 2: What you used Deborah Frank It was oh my god.
Speaker 3: She yeah, she delivered Gabriel, my firstborn. So that was
Speaker 3: another just like bizarre connection.
Speaker 2: Peyton and Lindsay are the same person.
Speaker 1: You guys meant to be.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just walk the same path as someone, and
Speaker 2: it's always kind of like tricky, who's gonna who's going
Speaker 2: to open up first?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And I think with my book that was my way
Speaker 2: of being like, you know what, Okay, I'll just open
Speaker 2: up everything first, and then you know, people can come
Speaker 2: to me as they want to. And so sometimes people
Speaker 2: come up about the fertility stuff for sure, and then
Speaker 2: other parts are about like the me too stuff or
Speaker 2: you know, we're just not fitting in is another theme.
Speaker 2: And the book thing is just really intimate because you
Speaker 2: can't fake it. You can't. You can't put that stuff
Speaker 2: out there and like gloss over it. You have to
Speaker 2: go full dark dirt. And I guess writing about yourself
Speaker 2: is very different than someone else writing about you because
Speaker 2: the fact that Lucas has used all his friends and
Speaker 2: people in this way made me wonder, like, oh, I
Speaker 2: wonder who in my book was like this sucks? You
Speaker 2: know me stop tiring to me, Like my manager of
Speaker 2: the candy stores, he like, I really wish she wouldn't
Speaker 2: have written about this.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, yeah, we read a lot
Speaker 2: of biographies and then you meet the people and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: seemed better in the book, do you know.
Speaker 1: I always wonder how that goes when people write biographies
Speaker 1: meet the people in your life that you I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not writing unless you have something interesting to say.
Speaker 1: And you don't have something interesting to say unless things
Speaker 1: have happened to you, and things haven't happened to you,
Speaker 1: unless there have been some people in your life and
Speaker 1: some bad things that have happened. And so there's really
Speaker 1: only one way to tell that, which is to just
Speaker 1: be honest. And I wonder about that sometimes, about just how,
Speaker 1: oh I think about the people in my life if
Speaker 1: I ever did that, well, how they would react? I mean,
Speaker 1: did you get a lot of messages or like people
Speaker 1: in your I don't know family, like people that you
Speaker 1: would run into, who were did you have to send
Speaker 1: out things like if I'm going to talk about you,
Speaker 1: you got to sign this thing.
Speaker 2: No, I just cut whole things out. I was like,
Speaker 2: we don't need this character. We can pretend this wasn't
Speaker 2: a bit Lindsey's speech about wanting to get that day right,
Speaker 2: the school shooting day. You were so good in that,
Speaker 2: MICHAELA like that made the most sense because the weight
Speaker 2: that you carry when you're writing nonfiction, every single sentence
Speaker 2: has to be the truth. And I loved what you
Speaker 2: did with that. I think that's why it takes me
Speaker 2: like five years to write books. I'm another one coming
Speaker 2: out in October, and it was just so hard to
Speaker 2: write another one because it was like I already bled
Speaker 2: all over the dance floor. Do I want to do
Speaker 2: it again? And that speech nailed it. That's the feeling
Speaker 2: like you want to get it right for everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you crushed that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really beautiful.
Speaker 2: When are you going to write a book?
Speaker 3: Me? Yeah, I don't know. I hope someday. I was
Speaker 3: very inspired by by that. I don't it's so brave
Speaker 3: to put yourself out there in that way, and I
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know. We'll see. What about What
Speaker 3: about you guys, Sophia Joy, do you do you have
Speaker 3: that sort of interest in writing? I know you're both
Speaker 3: brilliant women with so many stories to tell.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I do for sure. I mean I think
Speaker 1: the ADHD has made it really difficult over the years
Speaker 1: to I have lots of essays, I have lots of
Speaker 1: chapters and things, but to really commit to putting it
Speaker 1: all together, because I would love to write about my experience.
Speaker 1: You know, I was in a cult for ten years, Like,
Speaker 1: I would love that that would be a really valuable
Speaker 1: experience to write about.
Speaker 3: And the.
Speaker 1: Recovery that, you know, ten years of recovery after that.
Speaker 1: So it's there's a lot to tell. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: pressure of getting it right and everything having to be
Speaker 1: exactly real and all the people that are involved, and
Speaker 1: also like I I don't know how much I can
Speaker 1: say because there are still people and legal things in
Speaker 1: place that are make it more complicated for the timing
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. So but I do write. I mean
Speaker 1: I write all the time. I've got I have to
Speaker 1: write projects that I'm working on. Yeah, I write songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's some things in the works, there's some projects
Speaker 1: coming out.
Speaker 2: Writing everything in code, You're like, if I sing it,
Speaker 2: then it's just a song and I can say what I.
Speaker 1: Want, which I have done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the songwriting of it all I guess such a
Speaker 4: cool you know outlet. It's interesting because, you know, in
Speaker 4: a similar way that you did in grad school, Like
Speaker 4: I left my BFA program with fourteen actors in it
Speaker 4: because I didn't feel fulfilled, and I transferred into the
Speaker 4: journalism school at USC and I was an Annenberg student
Speaker 4: for the next couple of years before.
Speaker 6: I went to work in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: And you know, I've written op eds and articles, and
Speaker 4: I've been approached by a lot of people who are
Speaker 4: like these things that you write, and like the essays
Speaker 4: essentially that you write about, like the world that sometimes
Speaker 4: even you just publish on Instagram and long form or whatever,
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 2: Is all a book.
Speaker 4: But I think similarly for me, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: pressure of how to collect and order things, like, you know,
Speaker 4: the way my brain is wired to like be I
Speaker 4: like repel stress and planning in a way that is
Speaker 4: not super helpful. Thank god, I'm married person who's very
Speaker 4: good at planning, like we.
Speaker 6: We yin yang really well.
Speaker 4: I am a you know, responder in the best sort
Speaker 4: of sense of the words. So like in the moment
Speaker 4: something strikes me and I say something or work on something,
Speaker 4: and then it's there so the long form of a
Speaker 4: book feels hard.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I've I've had people on my team literally like chasing
Speaker 4: me with a book proposal for five years, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't feel ready, And I think what I'm learning
Speaker 4: in this, you know, sort of stage of my life,
Speaker 4: like being a person who's been in like active recovery
Speaker 4: and therapy for PTSD for years.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 4: Realizing that some of what feels really hard about the
Speaker 4: idea of potentially writing a book is the people that
Speaker 4: I would have to talk about. Yeah, and like that
Speaker 4: feels really dangerous. And the unfortunate thing is, as you know,
Speaker 4: and we've all experienced this, but like as a woman
Speaker 4: and on our show, I certainly went through this, like
Speaker 4: something can be done to you and you still globally
Speaker 4: get made out to be the one at fault. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And it's incredibly difficult, and I just don't know. I
Speaker 4: haven't really weighed like what's worth it in terms of
Speaker 4: do I think there's important stories to tell and lessons
Speaker 4: and you know, modalities of recovery that would be really
Speaker 4: beautiful to put on a page.
Speaker 6: Yes, And like.
Speaker 4: Do I want to continue getting dragged for having survived
Speaker 4: something that happened to me in my early twenties and
Speaker 4: something that happened to me in my thirties, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know, it sucks to sort of go through that,
Speaker 4: like women don't get the Lucas Scott treatment.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Now that you guys are talking about all of this,
Speaker 2: like that's the theme of the episode, it is pointed
Speaker 2: that we go back to the scene of the school
Speaker 2: shooting where Peyton is bleeding out and you know, Jimmy
Speaker 2: and Keith died just in at hallway that we see
Speaker 2: at the end of the episode. To revisit trauma, to
Speaker 2: write about it is to revisit it, and to read
Speaker 2: about it is to revisit it. And so there's no
Speaker 2: moving forward for this group of women until we revisit
Speaker 2: the trauma. And that sucks. But but we've got this
Speaker 2: little like elf named Mia that's like, come on, take
Speaker 2: me on the journey. And then not only do we
Speaker 2: have to do it for I mean, we have to
Speaker 2: talk about the Brooke Andctorious stuff because that was just
Speaker 2: so fucking awesome. Hayley doesn't know she's going to have
Speaker 2: to do it with the nanny Carey stuff, but it's coming.
Speaker 2: Peyton's obviously doing it, and then Lindsay gets brought into
Speaker 2: it by having to talk about her trauma. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: is that something that makes us like each other? Is
Speaker 2: it that we all have to just like cut ourselves
Speaker 2: open for us to like connect?
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it's when you open yourself up.
Speaker 3: I think that's for life, When you reveal truly your
Speaker 3: your deepest vulnerability, you're like your deepest self. I think
Speaker 3: that's when you can then connect, right. I think that's
Speaker 3: what happens between Peyton and Lindsay during this episode. It's
Speaker 3: that moment where it just kind of blows up, but
Speaker 3: it blows up in kind of a beautiful way because
Speaker 3: we reveal so much about what we've been through. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know what you've been through, but it's my character,
Speaker 3: you know knows what you've been through.
Speaker 7: But from the pages of a book. Yeah, different perspective.
Speaker 7: Right to humanize someone. It's like so easy to dislike
Speaker 7: somebody that you can sort of care acature rise in
Speaker 7: your brain, but to actually see them opened up before
Speaker 7: you with their wounds, it takes it to another level.
Speaker 7: It's just you can't you can't compartmentalize people into that space.
Speaker 1: Anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like because Lindsay had all the
Speaker 2: information and Peyton didn't like Lindsay having just lost her father,
Speaker 2: had this expectation like, Oh, no, Peyton and I are
Speaker 2: going to connect. We have so much in common, We
Speaker 2: love the same boy, we both have parents that have
Speaker 2: died from cancer. I like Tree Hill she lived in.
Speaker 2: You know, like, there's so many things to connect on.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting when you think you're going to be
Speaker 2: friends with someone and then it doesn't work out, it
Speaker 2: hurts so much worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have to make a decision about that?
Speaker 1: MICHAELA When you came in the I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: your first episode, did you know that Peyton was back
Speaker 1: like or was it a shock or did you go
Speaker 1: in like wanting to like her and expecting that or
Speaker 1: did you have to make a decision about that?
Speaker 3: I think it sounds so creepy, but it's like she
Speaker 3: was so close to that book, right, editing it to
Speaker 3: so deep in those pages and in those stories that
Speaker 3: I think she really truly grew to love Peyton. But
Speaker 3: it's what a confusing relationship to then be with this
Speaker 3: guy and know all of.
Speaker 1: This and oh that would hurt so bad.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure there was just like an instant feeling
Speaker 3: of insecurity and really wanting to connect, but feeling that.
Speaker 2: Wall wall is a subtle way to put it, spiky wall.
Speaker 1: It's like the spiky walls in Indiana Jones that are
Speaker 1: just funny.
Speaker 6: I was like to me, it feels like a O
Speaker 6: with crocodiles in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know you're you're so in the
Speaker 2: thick of our world. You know, you know everything about
Speaker 2: our world. And then here comes Tim who is maybe
Speaker 2: not someone that Lindsay doesn't necessarily like knew about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I doubt Lucas wrote about him.
Speaker 2: He's not in the book.
Speaker 1: Oh he's not in the book. He's so great in
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 6: Breh is so funny, but he broke my heart in
Speaker 6: the end.
Speaker 1: That look, that one look. I mean, he is so talented,
Speaker 1: the fact that he could be making a joke and
Speaker 1: then in one second just turn his head and look
Speaker 1: at you and say, nobody hangs out anymore, or nobody
Speaker 1: comes back to I don't even know what he said
Speaker 1: he was gonna touch anymore. Yes's looking at his eyes
Speaker 1: and made me really emotional.
Speaker 4: And the spectrum he takes us on to you know,
Speaker 4: the depth of that moment, and then the pure gorgeous
Speaker 4: comedy of him being in the coming in the door
Speaker 4: and me trying to run him and him picking me up.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good to see you and hugging me, brilliant.
Speaker 4: I was shrieking laughing. That was so funny, And I
Speaker 4: remember it like I could feel it in my body.
Speaker 4: I remember him putting his arms around me and picking
Speaker 4: me up and just flailing my arms and legs like
Speaker 4: trying to get away from him, and and really having
Speaker 4: to not break to not like screw up the scene.
Speaker 2: You wanted to not laugh, right, I wanted to laugh
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 6: It was so funny. He really, he really crushed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you're like, no one's eating me and
Speaker 2: he's like well, and you're just like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: But I also love meeting people from my partners past,
Speaker 2: like that's that's fun to be like, Yeah, you went
Speaker 2: to school with this guy. Hmmm interesting. Interesting, I'd like
Speaker 2: to know more about this situation. Yeah, yeah, did you
Speaker 2: ever go back to your husband's hometown? Where's Where's Mike from?
Speaker 3: Okayla, Mike is kind of from all over. He's moved
Speaker 3: around a ton. So both of his parents are actors
Speaker 3: and ended up teaching acting. Oh cool, they moved around
Speaker 3: a ton. They're regional theater actors, so they were.
Speaker 2: So that's why he doesn't hate actors.
Speaker 3: Very much. Understands the world what a prince lovely way.
Speaker 3: But yes, Florida and Texas and Massachusetts and Ohio, and
Speaker 3: his parents finally were like, Okay, we need some like
Speaker 3: consistency in our lives. We have three young boys. So
Speaker 3: they they went to school and taught and ended up
Speaker 3: teaching at Western Michigan. Oh, right on in the theater department. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they're like acting teachers. So so Mike fully he
Speaker 3: started as an actor. There's a shot floating around though, Oh.
Speaker 2: A head and shot all, Oh my god, have you
Speaker 2: taken him back to your hometown?
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, for sure. He's been to Rhode Island
Speaker 3: a bunch. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you take him to like a football game?
Speaker 3: You know? I wasn't so much like I was such
Speaker 3: an artsy kid in high school. It's such a wallflower
Speaker 3: and a late bloomer. I mean, what drew me to
Speaker 3: theater was because I was so shy that it was
Speaker 3: acting that allowed me to finally like let go of
Speaker 3: my inhibitions. And you know, it's like, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a misconception that all actors are just.
Speaker 1: Like these loud, like charismatic Yeah, that was not me.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just going to hide back here
Speaker 3: and hopefully nobody will see me. But when I was acting,
Speaker 3: it was freedom, you know. Yeah, that's what That's how
Speaker 3: I got pulled into it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome. Oh I love that about Mike. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a little all over, which it also helped
Speaker 3: me with this business where you just never know what's
Speaker 3: around any corner.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 3: I grew up in the same place. There was just
Speaker 3: like the security and the safety of that throughout my childhood.
Speaker 3: And Mike moved around so much that it has given
Speaker 3: me a lot of peace with my kids and moving
Speaker 3: and like, you know, when we went to do The
Speaker 3: Village and we just like uprooted and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna hunker down in Brooklyn. Yeah, even with that
Speaker 3: pilot I shot last summer, because you never know, right,
Speaker 3: you never know. Yeah, and I'm moving to New Mexico,
Speaker 3: and I have to like just bring my kids down
Speaker 3: there and do that. But seeing Mike and seeing who
Speaker 3: he is as a person, I'm like, Okay, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Okay that right, Yeah, they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: They'll learn so much.
Speaker 2: So what was your backstory for Lindsay though, because you know,
Speaker 2: again she knows everything about all of us. The show
Speaker 2: takes place in our world. Did you have to balance
Speaker 2: that and be like, Okay, well, who's this chick? I
Speaker 2: think we all like leaned on our real life experiences.
Speaker 2: There's so much Sophia and Brooke and Joy and Haley
Speaker 2: and obviously you know, I'm a nightmare too, Like Peyton,
Speaker 2: what did you set up for Lindsay as you started
Speaker 2: to flesh her out, especially in this episode with all
Speaker 2: the talk about your dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it starts to really get interesting because you
Speaker 3: learn a lot more about Lindsay in this episode in
Speaker 3: that moment. Up to this point, you don't really know,
Speaker 3: right yeah, yeah, or what her deal is, and and
Speaker 3: it was all such a new experience. Again, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out what the tape on
Speaker 3: the floor is about, trying to it was so much
Speaker 3: to put together and every script are getting like these
Speaker 3: little pieces of information to kind of inform you of
Speaker 3: like who this person is. This was the first episode
Speaker 3: where we really got to crack into what she's been
Speaker 3: through and that trauma that and maybe why like how
Speaker 3: she's still grieving and still dealing with it and hasn't
Speaker 3: fully dealt with it. I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 3: you can fully deal with something like that, right, Like
Speaker 3: it's always going to be there. And obviously this relationship
Speaker 3: with her father was so close and so painful to
Speaker 3: lose him in such a brutal way, right, So it's
Speaker 3: like that kind of informed me of when it had
Speaker 3: to go into that kind of nasty below the belt stuff.
Speaker 3: It was like, she's really coming from a place of
Speaker 3: deep pain, right, And like here's this guy that is
Speaker 3: like I need this guy, I need this relationship.
Speaker 8: You two are trauma bonded, just like Lucas and Paydon.
Speaker 8: Why does this dude show up every time someone's parent dies.
Speaker 8: That's messed up, man boy, It's deja vuie.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I just got like goose pimples from my
Speaker 2: arm because I was like, wait a second, this is
Speaker 2: all ringing a bell as you're telling me this story.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, that does sound familiar. I do
Speaker 2: need that guy because he came in like Superman when
Speaker 2: I was at my lowest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the stakes are so high, like I'm going to
Speaker 3: lose this person that I can't lose this person. I
Speaker 3: lost that person. I cannot lose this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh I hate this. The layer of guilt right
Speaker 2: now is so thick. Hate it. I did like that
Speaker 2: we got drunker and drunker as the episode went on.
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember having to play that trying to
Speaker 2: remember like what scenes we had been drinking and which
Speaker 2: scenes we hadn't. Were we just drinking in real life
Speaker 2: at this point? Are there just water bottles full of
Speaker 2: vodka on set?
Speaker 6: I remember it was Audacious his moonshine.
Speaker 2: Oh it's Halloween.
Speaker 3: We're all like, can we get out? Can we wrap
Speaker 3: so we can go?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that. Yes, there was no part
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hillary, you must have been dying to get
Speaker 1: out of there because you probably had a huge party waiting.
Speaker 2: No, this was the first year I didn't throw a
Speaker 2: party because I was just Oh, everything at work was
Speaker 2: shitty and I was just like I'm throwing mad now
Speaker 2: now you made me mad and our boss was in town.
Speaker 2: There was no way I was throwing a party.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, gross, but there is. There is like such
Speaker 4: a weird technical thing of that, like when Peyton brings
Speaker 4: Brooke the bottle of liquor she finds. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there like reading the magazine in the in the
Speaker 4: stacks of books, like to figure out, okay, if we
Speaker 4: start drinking and seeing seven, how drunk is everyone in
Speaker 4: every scene because we.
Speaker 1: Shoot all the scenes out of order? Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: such a mental thing to descript. Is supposed to keep
Speaker 1: track of that for us? And I don't remember if
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was Mike Leon, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was so hard. How weird was that conversation about cannibalism?
Speaker 2: Ew? What the heck?
Speaker 1: Like they ran out a runway. They just couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what to write anymore. They ran out I have
Speaker 1: in caps?
Speaker 4: Why are we having a cannibal conversation? Now it's ghosts.
Speaker 4: Now it's Jimmy and Keith, like again the whiplash. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would make jerky out of their love handles. Mikayla,
Speaker 4: you deserve.
Speaker 2: An award for that. How did you deliver that line?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, good snack on that.
Speaker 6: For days. I was like, give on trophy, give her
Speaker 6: something so weird.
Speaker 3: And then the joke about like the vampire, it just
Speaker 3: kept going yes for your neck, and I was like,
Speaker 3: are we.
Speaker 1: Still we're still talking about this?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Also when you were like when you said the next
Speaker 4: thing to me, I was like, are.
Speaker 2: We gonna kiss? Like, what's happening? What is going on?
Speaker 2: What happens in the library stays in the library.
Speaker 4: There was just like a lot of weird sexual energy
Speaker 4: and a cannibal talk, and I was like, this makes
Speaker 4: me feel very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: No, that was weird. I loved I loved the Brook
Speaker 2: Payton stuff in this episode because true friendship is when
Speaker 2: your friends made an ass of themselves and you still
Speaker 2: sit with them. And the fact that Brook stuck by
Speaker 2: Peyton even after she went real dark. She didn't have
Speaker 2: to say anything. She didn't accept the behavior. It was like, no,
Speaker 2: you're awful, You've duh hard. I'm still gonna go sit
Speaker 2: over here in this stack of books with you, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to leave you alone.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna make sure you're okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I liked too that we got to have
Speaker 4: a bit of an arc because much like Lindsay gets
Speaker 4: to express that she knows and wants to meet the
Speaker 4: Peyton from the book, Brooke is best friends with Peyton
Speaker 4: from the book and says, I don't know you to
Speaker 4: be this person, like.
Speaker 1: I know you to take the high road.
Speaker 4: So that later when Lindsay is talking about Peyton's morality
Speaker 4: and her noble nature. It's very cool that it tracks
Speaker 4: from Peyton's oldest friend to the newest woman in her life, who,
Speaker 4: all in their own way get to say, like.
Speaker 1: What are you doing, buddy, don't be messy, don't be messy.
Speaker 2: Well, I also love that Brooke finally got to voice
Speaker 2: all this stuff about her mom. That was so great,
Speaker 2: And it was so uncomfortable to watch everyone pushing you
Speaker 2: and pushing you and pushing you, and you just kind
Speaker 2: of standing firm and like, listen, this is my choice.
Speaker 2: I'm choosing this because, yeah, for all the reasons that
Speaker 2: you explain, I'm sweet.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I liked to being able to express her needs
Speaker 4: and say, even if it's for the wrong reasons, I
Speaker 4: don't want to lose it. And the thing that really
Speaker 4: hit me that I didn't remember the verbiage of it
Speaker 4: and hearing it back like absolutely broke my heart? Is
Speaker 4: that what I had to say as broke was I
Speaker 4: wanted to be seen by my mom and maybe loved
Speaker 4: ough that wrecked me.
Speaker 1: Like if she can see me, then I have a chance.
Speaker 4: I can take it or leave it on the love
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh my god, that's so that just
Speaker 4: hurts man. And to be able to get into it
Speaker 4: and to see the bigger depth of how tied to
Speaker 4: her mom she feels now and how scared she is
Speaker 4: that maybe without her mom she wouldn't have made it
Speaker 4: like it's you. You really get to see the layers
Speaker 4: in this episode, and that felt really nice.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, it almost makes up for the cannibalism talk.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's it. How did two things live
Speaker 2: in the same episode?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was foreshadowing for the heart falling out
Speaker 1: of the you know cooler and the dog eating.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so we have to end with that.
Speaker 2: So do you guys remember when we would get made
Speaker 2: fun of on the soup? Yeah, MICHAELA, were you ever
Speaker 2: the target? I've been the target many a time.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was. I was definitely in some
Speaker 3: episodes that got hit on the I can't believe.
Speaker 2: The fake music video at the end of this episode
Speaker 2: wasn't on the soup. It might have been on the soup.
Speaker 2: The whole speech that they give about Yeah, people on
Speaker 2: the internet are people who can't create anything. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad you brought this up.
Speaker 4: I'm dying the internet's just for porn and complaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you know what people do?
Speaker 1: Oh I can't. I can't. I knew exactly what it was.
Speaker 1: It was so transparent and so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was fun to watch back all
Speaker 2: these years later, like my guy, no, wow, no one's fooled.
Speaker 2: We know what you're saying here. Uh yeah, our show
Speaker 2: got made fun of, which was great press for us.
Speaker 2: What are we bitching about? Sure?
Speaker 3: Was you are years later with like legit like new
Speaker 3: fans that are watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jump, I mean yah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Like the show that I would basically like learn how
Speaker 3: to do on camera acting would just like follow me.
Speaker 2: I did you don't think that the thing that you
Speaker 2: do at like twenty two to twenty three years old
Speaker 2: is gonna be the shit lives forever? Yeah, the legacy,
Speaker 2: it turns out it is yeah, you guys.
Speaker 3: To watch this. I really I bat onto you and
Speaker 3: like revisiting these episodes from so long ago, it's it's
Speaker 3: a head trip.
Speaker 2: Well, every every episode we pick our honorable mention. I
Speaker 2: think my honorable mention is the not so subtle internet shade.
Speaker 2: What was your honorable mention for the episode, Mikayla.
Speaker 3: There's a moment that that made me lol. And it
Speaker 3: was when Joy Hailey is like calling us both out
Speaker 3: because we're both having bad behavior and she's putting solitaire
Speaker 3: and your solitaire and you're like so aggressively. It made
Speaker 3: me laugh so hard. That was that, And and the
Speaker 3: whole pizza toppings and Sophia, Oh yeah, it was so funny.
Speaker 6: And no mushroom, mushal room that made me.
Speaker 1: Bret Claywell gets my honorable mention.
Speaker 2: He's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would throw it to Brett as well.
Speaker 4: But I will also say, and maybe we've said it
Speaker 4: already this season then, and I just don't remember because
Speaker 4: it's the middle of the night. I'm delirious, but I
Speaker 4: got really excited when I got to be like I'm
Speaker 4: dying to see.
Speaker 6: Teacher Girls Classroom.
Speaker 4: I was like, we've gone from tutor girl to teacher girl.
Speaker 6: And I got so excited about that little draw and
Speaker 6: then I thought, have we said this before? I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but if not, that would that would tie.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it, No, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think that was the debut.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies, let's spin our wheel. Every week we
Speaker 2: pick a most likely too Mikayla, and we have to
Speaker 2: pick a character that is most likely to do this thing,
Speaker 2: but also like a real life member of our our gang.
Speaker 2: All right, who is most likely to Elope in Vegas?
Speaker 2: Peyton and Lucas tried but it changed their mind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so not us because we couldn't go through with it.
Speaker 2: Does anyone get super fast married on the show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably the answer, Nathan and Ali.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I think that that really tracks.
Speaker 2: You sure things, So what's the risk, right, Michaela, thank
Speaker 2: you so so much for hanging out with us for
Speaker 2: two full episodes.
Speaker 3: Miss you. What a joy to be with you guys again,
Speaker 3: this little reunion. This was so cool. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Great to see you.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if anyone's mean to you on the internet,
Speaker 2: just send them to us. We'll kick their ass. We'll
Speaker 2: kick them in the digital shin, the digital shin. All right.
Speaker 2: Next episode is season five, episode ten, running to stand Still.
Speaker 2: I hope we can all get along in the sandbox.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, we'll see you next week.
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