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Speaker 1: never told you production of iHeartRadio all right. Today, after

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Speaker 1: our wonderful conversation we had with Michelle Norris, which I'm

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Speaker 1: briefly women's magazines and you Samantha and typical Samantha form

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to call me out like that.

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Speaker 1: It's the New Year.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to change. It already happened, so come on.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. I just think it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting character trait. So this is not the one you

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Speaker 1: actually mentioned in that episode, which was specifically about like

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Speaker 1: I think during the whole New Year's Resolution season we've

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Speaker 1: already talked about how we don't really like that. But

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Speaker 1: I've noticed, you know, I'm getting all of these emails.

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Speaker 1: It's like, here's how you do this, and here's how

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of those women's magazines were for

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Speaker 1: this one we talked specifically about diet culture and sex advice,

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Speaker 1: and I think in the new year, women are just

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Speaker 1: bombarded with this stuff. So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff I've

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Speaker 3: And we are coming back with an additional episode of

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Speaker 3: women's magazines and Dot Dot Dot because well, I have

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Speaker 3: elongated once again a very wide broad subject into several episodes.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be the same amount as religious

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Speaker 3: trauma episode. Thank god, it's not going to be twenty thousand.

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Speaker 3: you haven't already, we would suggest going back to our

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Speaker 3: earlier episode on the history of women's magazines, because we

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Speaker 1: I looked this up because I knew we were going

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Speaker 1: You're not seeing what I can do, but like imagine,

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Speaker 1: Yes as well, but yes, okay, women's magazines today, there are, yes,

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Speaker 1: Library of Congress, they estimate quote, more than seventy five

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Speaker 1: Of course, this includes all the different types of magazines

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Speaker 3: Going to kind of just delve into this ugly side

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Speaker 3: And we mentioned this later, but yes, this is all

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Speaker 3: cis heteronormative. Just go ahead and put that there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So this is the way they focus. It is making

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Speaker 3: The researchers believes the key to that is the fitness

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Speaker 1: Right and it continues. The average size of men and

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Speaker 1: Only long term lifestyle changes will help women to lose

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Speaker 2: Right, And I think that's such a big emphasis.

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Speaker 3: This is a ploy, yeah, which why the back and

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, yeah, fashion, because I if you want

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Speaker 3: And that's the parts that we also don't talk about this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they should be. We'll put a big

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Speaker 1: only means culturally assimilating the curvy body, but also anticipating

437
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: to invite diseases such as anarexia or bolimia in the

438
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Speaker 1: long term.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's been cultures where I'm like, yeah,

441
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: these are my people. I want to be here because

442
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: my body looks more like them.

443
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like me better because of that.

444
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: I have to say, I unfortunately witnessed this in other

445
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: countries where people will tell me, oh, I'm not going

446
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: to eat for a couple days, and I'd be like, what, like, oh, yeah,

447
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: I need to lose weight, and they would just say

448
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: it and I'd be.

449
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: Like, oh, oh right.

450
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: This whole level with again, like Europeans, no hate to

451
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: any Europeans, but like they will talk about the fact

452
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: that they can they can't look as big as Americans

453
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: or whatever whatnot. And so what they do is not

454
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: eat for a few days and that's absolutely normal. Like

455
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: that's like, that's so sad, don't you miss it? Yeah.

456
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: Also, like no offense, I've done it, but it is

457
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: not gonna less, it's.

458
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: Not gonna Yeah, you're only causing yourself trouble and headaches,

459
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: literal headaches. Yes, and while we are here, let's just

460
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: remind ourselves, uh that though we are coming back to

461
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: the idea that dieting is good and being skinny is

462
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: the only way to exist. Yes, it is a sarcasm,

463
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: it's not, And that this movement in itself is anti

464
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: like just anti everything in so many ways.

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00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes. From the National Alliance for Eating Disorders. Diet culture

467
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: quote encompasses the collective beliefs and practices that promote the

468
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Speaker 1: pursuit of weight loss as the ultimate mark of health

469
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: and well being. It is a pervasive force that permeates

470
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: various aspects of our lives, from media portrayals of ideal

471
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: bodies to the messages we receive from friends, family, and

472
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: even healthcare professionals. Diet culture often emphasizes the importance of

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00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: adhering to strict eating regimens, promoting quick fixes, and advocating

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00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: for this thin ideal. It's based on fallacies like one

475
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: food is better than another, people who are thin are healthier,

476
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: people who are thin or more attractive. Higher weight bodies

477
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: are a result of poor health choices. Individuals have full

478
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: control over their health and appearance.

479
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Right, And in that article it talks about health ism,

480
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: which is this narrative which a lot of healthcare professionals

481
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: have done, which blame everything on being overweight and ignoring

482
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: the actual health and problems. And this is anti obviously.

483
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: That was an interesting TikTok video too of this young

484
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: young baby girl who calls herself a life coach saying

485
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: that tomatoes make you fat.

486
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: That was it.

487
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: And then what she I think was trying to say

488
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: when she was apologizing later on was everybody went after her,

489
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: was that it hurts her stomach and because of the

490
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: ascid and they're like, that's completely different. This is completely

491
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: different from they make you fat.

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00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Okay, calm down.

493
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, so with that, I mean it's it's cultures

494
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: like this that feed into that kind of narrative. And yeah,

495
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: this culture literally demonizes fatness and again, this is from

496
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: the National Alliance with this connection to Christianity and morality,

497
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: which we didn't talk about. We did kind of talk

498
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: about being the perfect housewife. That means having the perfect body.

499
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: The thought is the whole keeping the body clean and

500
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: holy or keeping it tight Yeah, yeah, and keeping it

501
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: tight for your spouse like they they meant to You

502
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: can't be getting that pot belly.

503
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: I've heard that said.

504
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: Literally a pastor, a preacher like his last name is Graham,

505
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: apparently he's there is the founder of.

506
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Great started on this whole subject. Oh my gosh.

507
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: But he was one of those that preached.

508
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: This idea that our body.

509
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: And being skipping a meal is for God. Of course.

510
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about this in the ruligious trauma God

511
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: I just haunts me, I swear. But yeah, the idea

512
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: of fascinating which wasn't holy idea for sure, but is

513
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: used by many people to lose weight.

514
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and we have discussed this before. This is

515
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: ingrained in our culture to a point that I think

516
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize. We've had listeners write

517
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: in and be like you were saying something terrible, like

518
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: people should lose weight, Like Okay, but just real quickly,

519
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Graham created Graham Crackers to like stop people from masturbating. Yes,

520
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: and he told me yeah, And now he hated sugar

521
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: and he basically thought you should like not experience food

522
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: really if you really sin. It was a moral issue.

523
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: And now grabcrackers. I'm so much sugar in them, and

524
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: it gives me joy.

525
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: I wonder what his family thinks of that legacy.

526
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're getting the money, they probably don't care.

527
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: But are they ashamed of that legacy or what I mean?

528
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

529
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Sure, And it's also like you know, I do get

530
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: joy out of it, but it is we also have

531
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: a kind of whole issue with sugar in this country

532
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: and what's added, so you know, but it does give

533
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: me joy that he's like in his grave.

534
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Different conversation.

535
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: But f y about gram crackers, because what do we

536
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: do but go on tangents In the first rade, my teacher,

537
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: who was one of my favorite teachers, would have us

538
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: give us gram crackers and then give us frosting and

539
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: let us cover it with frosting and candy, and that

540
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: would be our snack.

541
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Speaker 2: And boy did I cross both sides.

542
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you use it to build gingerbread houses and

543
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: it's great.

544
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: It's true, but I remember that snack like nobody's business,

545
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: thanks miss.

546
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: Right. And with that, this, this diet culture actually supports

547
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: system of oppression. So when we say where it's anti

548
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's anti uh. It is anti black. And

549
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: we've talked about it before, how this movement, how uh

550
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: the fat phobia is real racist ideals, especially when it

551
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: comes to oppressing people and who it oppresses and how

552
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: they use it against people of color, specifically black people.

553
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 3: It holds up the patriarchy because once again, this is

554
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: for the sake of men, oftentimes the way you look,

555
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: especially when we talk about looking your best for your husband,

556
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: for this, for your for your next day, for prom or.

557
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: Exactly.

558
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: And then it reinforces once again the idea of thin privilege,

559
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: which exists and people may like we talk about we

560
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: have we ever.

561
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: Talked about pretty privilege and then privilege?

562
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes again, it's a weird thing though, because I know

563
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: we talked about it on the video series.

564
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, okay, maybe we need to come back,

565
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: because that's like it keeps coming back around in that

566
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: conversation about who gets what and why and who gets

567
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: the raises and who gets hired, and these are those conversations. Yeah,

568
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: and it's an industry that has made billions of dollars

569
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: on things that don't work or that don't last and

570
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: are not realistic, and uses your insecurities based on what

571
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 3: society dictates to you is good or is the best.

572
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's It can be heartbreaking when you know

573
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: someone who's doing it and they're like eating this one

574
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: food and they'll tell you, like, I've heard this one

575
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: will work, and you're.

576
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: Right according to this magazine. I got these recipes and

577
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to stick to it. Yeah, two almonds for

578
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: breakfast and I'm like that measuring stuff.

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00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god, Oh my god. And the alliance

580
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: ends with quote. This diet culture fosters negative body image,

581
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: and it perpetuates unrealistic beauty standards and a serious weight stigma.

582
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: This toxic mindset contributes to body dissatisfaction and low self esteem. Additionally,

583
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: diet culture significantly increases the risk of developing eating disorders,

584
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: as the obsession with food restriction and control can trigger

585
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: disordered eating patterns and severe psychological distress. The harmful impact

586
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: of diet culture on both short term well being and

587
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: long term mental and physical health. It's a stark reminder

588
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: of the urgent need to challenge and dismantle this harmful ideology.

589
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: Right. So, yes, that's not necessarily about magazines, but just

590
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: the reason why we think this is problematic. And even

591
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: though it seems harmless to have five exercises to tone

592
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: up your abs, it does contribute to this culture.

593
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: So this is a reminder careful.

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00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: Oh and with all that out of the way, let's

595
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: talk about how magazines in general have really really influenced

596
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: women in sex and the different ideas. Yes, again, if

597
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: you're hanging out with kids on this one, we're gonna

598
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: read some things. I think it might make you blush.

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00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: Annie, I'm like pre blushing just thinking about it. So

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00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I believe you're right.

601
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: So FYI, you might want to pause and take the

602
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: young one out or put AirPods in however you need to.

603
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: And I have to admit that, as someone who lived

604
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: in the world of purity culture, I believed in it, y'all. Annie,

605
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: I didn't tell you this. My mother brought over a

606
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: tubfull of my childhood things. She's moving me out officially

607
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: for real, for real. So you've got a house, taking this,

608
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: take this right, and in it on the top I

609
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: find a certificate.

610
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: It says marriage certificate, and and it is my marriage

611
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: certificate to Jesus. WHOA.

612
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: So when I say when I say I was in

613
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: that culture and it is pristinely kept, my mother made

614
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: sure that it was kept all perfect on top, unlike

615
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: unlike me living in sin today, which she has accepted

616
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: and loves my partner. But anyway, when I say yes,

617
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: I lived in that purity culture, I honestly didn't know

618
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: much about sex until probably late twenties. And though of

619
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: course I understood the general concept. Yes, I have seen things,

620
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: I've seen movies. I would often turn to different magazines

621
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: like Cosmo, like Glamour, Red Book and even seventeen to

622
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: find out what men liked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those those got me. Those articles got me. Uh.

624
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: If I had a question of aout oral sex, I

625
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: would often see an article and in those magazines, and

626
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: I would try to take as many notes as possible. Annie, Yes,

627
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: I hear did like, oh you do this and that,

628
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: and that's why that seems weird. But okay whatever, And

629
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: I know I'm not the only one because that sold

630
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: I will say that that like we might have hidden

631
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: in and we might have giggled and not said it

632
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: out loud, but we sure to read it from relationship

633
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: advice on how to keep a man wanting more. Magazines

634
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: were a reference source for so many, so many women.

635
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: In fact, magazines are often how young people would educate

636
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: themselves on those embarrassing or even panicked situations. Margat Singer

637
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: was actually arrested in nineteen fourteen for her book, but

638
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: also for her articles in The New York Call that

639
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: covered topics of sex, birth control, and STIs for so

640
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: many people who desperately need that information yep.

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00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: And later in nineteen sixty, after the debut of the

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: Playboy magazine, which is a whole different conversation, the magazine

643
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: featured its Advisor column, offering advice not only on sex, relationships,

644
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: and life as well. And by the way, according to

645
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: a Vice article and a podcast released by iHeart and

646
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Crooked Media titled Stifft, the first ever erotic magazine for

647
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: women was published in nineteen seventy three by the same

648
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: dude who started Penthouse, Bob Guccioni, which was titled Viva,

649
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: and according to that article, they quote paired feminist writing

650
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: from women like Betty Friedan and Erica Jong, and stories

651
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: on anti rape groups and female circumcision, with full frontal

652
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: male nudity and frank sex advice as the first erotic

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00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: women's magazine, and embodied the fight to push forth the

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00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: conversation about women's sexuality amid the patriarchal influence of the decade.

655
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Speaker 3: And in that article is as including the actual creator,

656
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: Bob Guccione, who we know is.

657
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Speaker 2: Interesting.

658
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: And though it was acceptable for with gay magazines at

659
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: the time to talk openly about sex and relationships, it

660
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 3: wasn't so much for ladies magazines. It took a little

661
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: while later for the first one to pop up in

662
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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty five in the Cosmo magazine the then editor

663
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: in chief Helen Gurley Brown, which she has a really

664
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Speaker 3: great quote about why wouldn't every woman want to be

665
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 3: a feminist? Which I was like, yes, come on, now,

666
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Speaker 3: she may have been one of our people's, kind of

667
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: a white woman of our people's, but you know what

668
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: I mean. But she was the then editor in chief,

669
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Speaker 3: and she revamped the magazine from being geared toward housewives

670
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: to more so single career ladies and published an article

671
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: on birth control pills in her first credited issue of

672
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: the magazine.

673
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: So she was ready to go. She was ready to

674
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Speaker 2: go talking.

675
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 3: About all these things. And more magazines started following suit

676
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: with articles written by the opposite sex to teach the

677
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: other sex how to satisfy or how to keep their

678
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: relationships attacked. So oftentimes they would feature men to tell

679
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: women whatever the advice was, and then vice versa. For

680
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: men's magazines, they would have women come on and give

681
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: advice as well, so you know, things happen. Many famous

682
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: examples are still talked about today from Dear Abby, which

683
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: is more wholesome, but did have questions about relationships that

684
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: she would talk about to writers like Candace Bushnell from

685
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Speaker 3: Sex and the City fame, who wrote for The New

686
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: York Observer in her advice.

687
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Speaker 1: Here's the quote from get Me Giddy dot com, which

688
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Speaker 1: is the sexual health related site. Thank you, Samantha for

689
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: having me say this. In the late nineties and early

690
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: two thousands, less historically raunchy women's magazines began adding sex

691
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: to the There are usual topics of coverage in order

692
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: to attract more readers. Ladies Home Journal printed its first

693
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Speaker 1: behind closed Doors sex column in two thousand and Red

694
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Book began running it sex column Red Hot Sex that

695
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Speaker 1: same year. Soon sex wasn't just a topic reserved for

696
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: magazines known for their edginess. It was an expected part

697
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: of mainstream women's publications. Men's magazines underwent a similar shift,

698
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Speaker 1: with magazines like Esquire and GQ, both founded in the

699
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Speaker 1: thirties and originally focused on fashion, increasingly covering sex.

700
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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So, I.

701
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Speaker 3: Was just really excited that you got to say the

702
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: name of that site, get Me Giddy.

703
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: Dot com, which some was a really helpful site.

704
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: But I was like, what, And because I can't resist

705
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: a good read through of ridiculous things, here's a few

706
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: of the worst sex tips Annie already blushing of the

707
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 3: worst sex tips from women's magazines, according to Mackenzie Z. Kennedy,

708
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: who blessed us with these quips seven years ago. So

709
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: as a seven year old post for Filthy So, here's one.

710
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: Bring your lover on your food shopping excursion. View it

711
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: as sentual foreplay. You can have a lot of fun

712
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: caressing and gently squeezing foods and inhaling their aromas. The

713
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: conversation should be entertaining too, And I will say I

714
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: guess aie, you had a kind of related thing with food,

715
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: so maybe.

716
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: Maybe also look go back to your episodes we did

717
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: on the movie Fresh. Sometimes this doesn't work out, oh lord.

718
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: Because they did have all grocery saying, didn't they cute?

719
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. Okay, here's another one. Nick two

720
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: fists around a shaft and twist them in opposite directions

721
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: as hard as you can under this advice, Kennedy wrote,

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: this really bad sex tip has been inspiring people to

723
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: write about bad sex tips because it's literally telling you

724
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: to give your partner an Indian rugburn on the most

725
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: sensitive part of his body. I don't think that's comfortable.

726
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: The next one is firmly hold the bottom of his

727
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: shaft in one hand and slowly push it towards the base.

728
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: Imagine you're pushing his penis into his body. So again,

729
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that effective. Here's another one.

730
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: Take a tennis ball and roll it with a slight

731
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: pressure between his shoulders and over his butt to help

732
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: him release pent up sexual energy. Got to bring a

733
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: tennis ball into it.

734
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Speaker 1: I guess you're too.

735
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: Lazy to do anything.

736
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Speaker 1: Smack.

737
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: And then the next one is very softly bite the

738
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: skin of his scrotum. I feel like they could go

739
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: very wrong, very very wrong. But you knew you maybe

740
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: he enjoys it, and it says. And lastly, making him

741
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: a snack after sex. It doesn't have to be a

742
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: gourmet mill. A simple grilled cheese or milk and cookies

743
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: will do.

744
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: A simple grilled cheese or milk and cookies, you know.

745
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: The level of like it just boom down to serve him. Thanks,

746
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 3: and this will make it go make a sandwich woman.

747
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so sorry for that. It's true, but it's

748
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: essentially that a statement I feel like. So yes, of

749
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: course we don't. We're not to get into all of it.

750
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: And I'm sure again, this was seven years ago, so

751
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what else is out there. I wrote

752
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: this some of these nouns. Actually, I've heard the shaft

753
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: ones just so you know, which I think is quite hilarious.

754
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: It's such a romance Roman novel term that is fantastic.

755
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: And again, though we just with some of these ridiculous

756
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: bits of advice, there is a real concern with some

757
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: of the information that is being spread. Although on the

758
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: positive side, having popular publications open up conversations about women

759
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: learning to enjoy sex or learning to explore sexual desires

760
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: is a plus and for a long time unheard of.

761
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: It has helped to destigmatize women's sexuality and even taught

762
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: some men about women's anatomy that they may not have understood.

763
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: Hello Glitterius. But there have been problems as well. According

764
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: to one article, some feel that women's magazines aren't celebrating

765
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: being sexually open, but rather pushing women to have degrading

766
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: sex and calling it empowering. Now, I'm gonna be transparent here.

767
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: This article that I.

768
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: Found written in evmagazine dot com seems as I was

769
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: reading it seems to be lead very heavily into the

770
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: more like coming back to femininity, and it kept saying

771
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: that idea, which seems to be code for like a

772
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Speaker 3: conservative media, conservative think tank.

773
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Speaker 2: I do think there's a point here.

774
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 3: Young girls are given an embellished idea that they're being

775
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: told that everyone and every woman enjoy wild sex and

776
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: are scared to set boundaries for themselves. So I definitely

777
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: think that's a conversation where we don't have enough of that.

778
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: We've come so far sometimes to being sexually liberated, which

779
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: is amazing to forgetting the part about consent, which we

780
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: have talked about previously in Boundaries. That was one of

781
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: our book clubs too. Of our book clubs actually, wasn't

782
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: it Come as You Are? And the Ace book as well,

783
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: because we have not really pounded that into the head

784
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: of what is consent? When can you stop? And all

785
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: those conversations and being kind of so open to the

786
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: idea that we're not communicating to the younger generations of

787
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: what that means. So I do think there is some

788
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: thought to that, as well as the fact that women

789
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: are told this is what's happening, and this we were

790
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: all doing this. Like I've heard so many stories of

791
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: men asking for threesomes and they don't want necessarily want it,

792
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: but being told this is what people do, so they

793
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: just go with it, and being uncomfortable with it. So

794
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 3: all of those things, I think it definitely has that point.

795
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: So many of the magazines lean into the pleasing a

796
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: man idea, so confusing liberation to non stop sexcapades again,

797
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: and the fact that you have no choice or you

798
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: have no power to say no to any of these

799
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: things or to stop, like even if you were enjoying it,

800
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: to a certain point and being able to have that communication.

801
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 3: So I think that is a big conversation of that.

802
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: But the article I'm referring to here also had an

803
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: article titled porn turned me bisexual and ruined my relationship.

804
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's.

805
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: Very yeah waity and very obvious as well as how

806
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: to catch a husband. Oh you know, watch out what

807
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: you read. They had some good points. I will not

808
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: discredit that there. I would not take everything they said

809
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: as right in fact, so just on the notes.

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00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. Yeah. So coming back to the original point,

811
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Speaker 1: there is misinformation that can happen with sex advice given

812
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: from a magazine article. As one writer states in Dame magazine,

813
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: a walk through social media can illustrate just how deep

814
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: the notion that women aren't big on sex or orgasm runs.

815
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: While women fake orgasms, says a common meme, men fake

816
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: entire relationships. Other prevalent humor suggests that the best way

817
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: to turn a woman on is through house cleaning, unless

818
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: a guy our gal does so, naked mopping induced arousal

819
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: is pretty unlikely. Stress relief is important, of course, and

820
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: if helping the chores or other tasks alleviates it, terrific,

821
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: but I've noticed significantly more stress inducing this in the

822
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: contact to female sexuality then girlfriends complaining about dirty dishes.

823
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: And yes, this is talking about the whole women having

824
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: orgasms thing, which we have discussed before at a links

825
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: And though this article was written in twenty fifteen, we

826
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: are still talking about that and finding that misinformation today.

827
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Speaker 3: I mean men are getting on podcasts saying women don't

828
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: have orgasms so or can't have orgasms, that's not biological.

829
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Speaker 2: So you know, we're still having that conversation. Yes, and yeah, as.

830
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: We mentioned before, there's both good and bad when it

831
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: comes to the sex relationship bits within magazines, and research

832
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: seems to back that up. According to Kristen Mark, who

833
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: is a therapist and professor, after doing a short survey

834
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: and rethrough of a popular women's magazine, specifically Cosmopolitan, she

835
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: concludes these findings suggest that women's magazines such as Cosmo

836
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: has potentially mixed effects. The impact is potentially problematic when

837
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: women after brief exposure are less likely than those exposed

838
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: to the control to believe premarital sex intercourse is risky,

839
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: though it doesn't have to be risky use condoms, practice negotiation,

840
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: and communicate with your partner and make sure it's consensual.

841
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: But the short term impact of COSMO can also be

842
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: empowering for women when after brief exposure, they're more likely

843
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: than those exposed to the control to believe that women

844
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 3: should be assertive in prioritizing their sexual desires for their

845
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: own sake, but not for male partners.

846
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it's also important that again, we

847
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: have no like, we don't have good sexual education in

848
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: this country, and you know, places like Florida are banning

849
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: the Dictionary because it has the definition of sex in it.

850
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: So if you have something like this, it can be

851
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: it can be really like you never hear about it,

852
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's kind of it's unfortunate because it can be problematic,

853
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: but it is also okay, maybe I can like this thing,

854
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, it's sort of a there's pluses

855
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: and negatives, and of course if you can't tell yes,

856
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: this is very heteronormative. The lack of information and advice

857
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: offered to the queer community was very blatant. Going back

858
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: to that get megiddy dot com article, they wrote in

859
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: the years following the publication made a point to include

860
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: more empowering and inclusive sex articles with LGBTQ perspectives and

861
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: advice geared toward feminist. Glamour similarly did away with content

862
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: focused on what guys think, including a columnist by the

863
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: name of Jake, to emphasize sex advice focused on women's empowerment,

864
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Speaker 1: and they continue still. The LGBTQ community has been largely

865
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Speaker 1: underrepresented in sex advice columns, though some writers have recently

866
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Speaker 1: stepped up to fix that. In twenty seventeen, John Paul

867
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Speaker 1: JP Brammer started the sex and love advice column O

868
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Speaker 1: La Poppy in Out magazine to provide guidance to queer

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Speaker 1: people who don't have the same access to information about

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Speaker 1: their sexuality online as straight CIS people. Cecy Blanchard similarly

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Speaker 1: began her column MTF and DTF to talk about the

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Speaker 1: little discussed experiences of dating and sex from a trans

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Speaker 1: woman's perspective.

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Speaker 3: Right In research paper titles Narrative Analysis of Sexual Etiquette

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Speaker 3: and teen Magazines, the authorites other than brief mentions of

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Speaker 3: masturbation in seventeen, Lesbian Dreams in Mademoiselle, Bisexual Men who

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Speaker 3: Put their field partners at Risk and Glamour, and one

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Speaker 3: story in Mademoiselle about a woman trying to save a

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Speaker 3: gay man from being gay. We found no representations of

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Speaker 3: homosexuality or masturbation that indicate these could be appropriate expressions

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Speaker 3: of sexuality. While there's also nothing which condemn these sexual expressions,

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Speaker 3: their absence could be seen as very limiting or isolating

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Speaker 3: by young women with these interests. Again note this was

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Speaker 3: actually written in nineteen ninety eight, So yeah, when I

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Speaker 3: say some of these are really dated, they are. But

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Speaker 3: the lack of information is something that should be recognized

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Speaker 3: and is oftentimes not seen in larger publications. Like we

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Speaker 3: just talked about the getmigiddy dot com was like a

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty article. It's not been long and it's still

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Speaker 3: specific to queer culture instead of being in the popular publications.

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Speaker 3: And that article is obviously specific to teen magazines as

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Speaker 3: it was titled. Like I said, I have read my

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Speaker 3: fair share of sex and relationship advice from different teen magazines,

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Speaker 3: which we will delve into in the next episode. And honestly, again,

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Speaker 3: all this information is a bit overwhelming, with a little

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Speaker 3: with very little to offer in like all the context,

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Speaker 3: the way we have to search for things is within itself.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times they call themselves outs. I will

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Speaker 3: give them that, like Lamber will call themselves out. Cosmo

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Speaker 3: has called themselves out. You know, they've really changed their

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Speaker 3: tone in the last five years, which again it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be about in the next episode, but for today, we're

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Speaker 3: going to pause here. And yeah, I have done exactly

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Speaker 3: what I didn't want to do, make a three part thing.

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Speaker 3: Apologies y'all, but hey, this is good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I like how you say three part shut it.

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Speaker 2: I'mdetermined.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'll finally I'm going to finally reveal

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Speaker 1: the contents of my Ryan Gossling Shrik, and I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: Is sitting on this outline taunting me?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's chaunting me too, daunting all of us. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts about this, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: would love to hear them. I think I might go

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Speaker 1: flip through some of my I still have some magazines. Oh,

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Speaker 1: just see what's in there.

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Speaker 3: I have to find some quizzes from those old school magazines,

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Speaker 3: because there's some I remember taking those, like what kind

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Speaker 3: of man are you supposed to be?

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Speaker 2: With all those? I gotta find one of those.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think the old Horo scipts could be fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those like like fashion like flow chart things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, color palettes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to come back maybe for a Monday mini.

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Speaker 2: Not not not part beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I will help you with this well. Listeners,

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Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts about any of that, or like, yes,

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Speaker 1: any old magazines you want to share or magazine memories

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Speaker 1: you want to share, please let us know. You can

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Speaker 1: email us at Stuff Media, Momstuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: book we can get wherever you get your books. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Christina or Excited to

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Speaker 1: producer My and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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