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Speaker 1: Oh lao La Loka motes, I'm Theosa and I'm Mala.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into today's episode, we want to share

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Speaker 1: Senora Sexad are finalists and in addition, qualify for the

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Speaker 2: a Thekla Award a few years.

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Speaker 2: You know, and even just to be nominated is an honor,

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Speaker 2: of course. Thank you. Signal Awards but we want to win,

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are award winning podcaster.

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Speaker 2: But we want to keep adding to the list.

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Speaker 1: Actually, actually no, I don't quote that. I do not

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Speaker 1: I do support that message. Can't stand dear, but I

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Speaker 1: love you. This is the duality. It's the duality of

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Speaker 1: us and who we are. And we're artists and we're

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Speaker 1: sensitive about our shit.

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Speaker 2: We're very sensitive about our ship, which.

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Speaker 1: Is why we one want you to vote for us too.

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about what it's like to be critiqued

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to complain today, honestly, Well, I want

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Speaker 2: So we're going to have both. We're going to complain

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Speaker 2: the Radiophonic feminist book, because she had like some and

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Speaker 2: And we're the mommies.

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Speaker 1: We're the mommies obviously not the mothers.

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Speaker 1: We're still not the mothers now that remains true.

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Speaker 1: But I think like this is one of the things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's where the critique really begins. In twenty

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Speaker 1: do certain ad reads right because it wouldn't be authentic

435
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Speaker 1: to the show or who we are. And some of

436
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: it is not real lived experience, and some of it

437
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: is right. And so you know, she continues on in

438
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Speaker 1: this chapter and in this these couple of pages right

439
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: to even compare our current show bio at the time,

440
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: it was we are two ig friends breaking down pop culture, feminism,

441
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: sexual wellness. Fresh takes on trending events and interviews with

442
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Speaker 1: up and coming LATINX artists. She compares it too.

443
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: Long, by the way, Yeah, it's still too long, that

444
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: way too long. We have to cut it down.

445
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Speaker 1: She compares it to our twenty seventeen bio, which is quote,

446
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: the exploration and celebration of the experiences, brilliance, creativities and

447
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: legacies of femmes and women of color. She says how

448
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Speaker 1: that ismitted in the new description, along with keywords like

449
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: brown girls, oppression and terms like sexual wellness instead of

450
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: the sexual trauma, mental health, and sexuality that we talked

451
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Speaker 1: about yeah before, which is still part of the conversations

452
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: that we have even post network. Yeah, but it's not

453
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Speaker 1: on our show description anymore.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like, honestly, the changes are there, but

455
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: they're like slight. I think the changes are kind of slight.

456
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Speaker 2: And the first the first show description was too long.

457
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: The current one is still too long, still too long,

458
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Speaker 2: very wordy. And you know, I think that what we've

459
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Speaker 2: also allowed ourselves every season is a little bit of

460
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Speaker 2: a facelift every season, and we give the listeners something

461
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Speaker 2: a little different as far as like our promo or

462
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Speaker 2: like the theme or the identity of the season. I

463
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: think that elasticity has been part of the show like forever.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's it's also really interesting because

465
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: there was no I think we didn't have a conversation

466
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Speaker 1: about like, oh, well, now that we're with the network,

467
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Speaker 1: we can't talk about sexual trauma and we can't include

468
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Speaker 1: that in our bio. So we're going to take all

469
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Speaker 1: of these things that are more quote radical and put

470
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Speaker 1: like more passive or palatable language. It was just let's

471
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Speaker 1: kind of change this just to reflect this new era

472
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Speaker 1: and allow ourselves to growth. There was nothing like insidious

473
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Speaker 1: or wanting to like leave our radical roots behind or

474
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Speaker 1: be less feminist. It was more like, hmm, okay, we've

475
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Speaker 1: kind of grown and we want to also like be

476
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Speaker 1: able to be on a network and attract a new audience.

477
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Speaker 1: Does that mean switching up some of the language just

478
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Speaker 1: to kind of reflect a freshness, not a less radical

479
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Speaker 1: version of ourselves. Because I will say, although there are

480
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Speaker 1: ads on the show, which I know some people are

481
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: not crazy about, I would say our content has gotten

482
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: better and we have been able to go more in

483
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: depth with our analysis, and that has allowed us to

484
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Speaker 1: still be like critical of the things that we were

485
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, and it's still it's still here.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's so important to remember that we're

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Speaker 2: human being and you know, uh, I don't necessarily want

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Speaker 2: to talk about sexual trauma week after week for years. Yeah,

489
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Speaker 2: you know, back then, I was literally working at a

490
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Speaker 2: rape crisis center and I was screaming into the void.

491
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: I was in so much pain, I was so unwell,

492
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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of those early episodes have

493
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Speaker 2: that energy. But it's also not fair or realistic or

494
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: humane to expect a person to just carry that constantly forever. Eventually. Yeah,

495
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful that's a beautiful shift to me, that

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Speaker 2: we're going from talking about sexual trauma to sexual wellness.

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Speaker 2: I love that arc. That's a great arc, you know,

498
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Speaker 2: And I think that it's something that I think our

499
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: listeners may be also, because so many of them have

500
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: been with us for such a long time. And I

501
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: like to think that our listeners are, you know, living

502
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: their own character arc that maybe when they started listening,

503
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: they were also in a particular place.

504
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: Yes, but just like we're.

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00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: In a different place than we were when we started

506
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: almost ten years ago, I hope our listeners are in

507
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Speaker 2: a better place.

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00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, after there's just been a natural evolution with

509
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: the podcast and with our own experiences and allowing ourselves

510
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: to grow, and I think still maintaining, in my opinion,

511
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: like the ethos of the show while celebrating the legacies

512
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: and geniuses of women of color is not in the

513
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: bio anymore. That has definitely not gone away from the show.

514
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Archiving the present and shifting the culture forward, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think that is still a part of the show,

516
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: and the guests that we have, I think are still

517
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: very much aligned with who we had back then, you know.

518
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Speaker 1: So I have no regrets about the way we have

519
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: operated and the way that we have produced the show,

520
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: because I really feel like the core is the same.

521
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: It's just evolved because we've evolved and we professionalized, And

522
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good thing, you know. And I think

524
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: one of the pieces of critique too, are about like

525
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: I think we were way more of verbally and branding wise,

526
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: more anti capitalists in like our outward promotion for the show,

527
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: which is like, okay, this is funny, right, we were

528
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: our branding was more anti capitalist. Yeah, when we're talking

529
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: about things like the tagline and the show description and

530
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: the Instagram bio, those are all pieces of promotional materials. Yeah, this,

531
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: I think we also want to complicate within her analysis, right,

532
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: it's promo, right, And so if you're promoting your show

533
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: as being anti capitalist, I mean what does all that mean?

534
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: You know? So once we sign with the network and

535
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: now we're getting a production budget and part of our

536
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: signing in our contract, we understand that we will have

537
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Speaker 2: on air ads from Walgreens and Coca Cola and State

538
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: Farm us reading and being realistic, does it make sense

539
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: for us? Yeah, to publicly promote our show as an

540
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: anti capitalist show when before you even hear our voices,

541
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear a State Farm ad. Like, it just

542
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: doesn't calculate, It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's when it's not authentic and phony.

544
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Speaker 2: We gotta change it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. And I think that this is really

546
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Speaker 1: like the beauty of the feed, of the podcast feed

547
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: is that all of that like content is there still

548
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: and so it's not like we've erased it or we've

549
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: changed our mind about it, or we don't feel that

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00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: way anymore. It's still there. And I think that we

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Speaker 1: don't have to say the these you know, values, in every

552
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: single episode because we've already said it. Yeah, we've already

553
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: said it a million times over two hundred episodes, and

554
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: so I don't feel the need to reiterate every single

555
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: ideology and value that I have in every single episode

556
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: because I think if you've been here long enough, you know.

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00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we once had a listener email us upset

558
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: about and listen. None of us love on our ads.

559
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't love on air ads. I mean I love

560
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: the ones on our show because it allows us to

561
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: pay our team, which I think is another important piece

562
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: is we can pay our team, which is not something

563
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: that we couldn't have a team before because we didn't

564
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: have any money to pay them, right, And so the

565
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: network allows for us to pay our team who are Latinas,

566
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's really important to remind ourselves, you know.

567
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: But you know, we're not like we don't love listening

568
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: to a show and hearing on our ads. You know,

569
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: it's not like our favorite thing. But it just comes

570
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: with the territory and in the history of radio, I mean,

571
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: the reason radio exists so that they can also run

572
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: ad space, yes, you know, and the most radical of

573
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: radio shows unless you're running your own pirate radio from

574
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: your house. I mean, if you're on AMFM, they're going

575
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: to be ads. It becomes this question of being anti

576
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: capitalist in a capitalist society and how And so we

577
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: did get an email once from a listener who didn't

578
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: like the ads and basically at the end of their

579
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: email said, like, I suggest you guys go about finding

580
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: funding in a more grassroots way. Okay, So what you

581
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: want us to do is to fund raise on the

582
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: internet every month to make ends meet. You want us

583
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: to beg people for money on the internet every month,

584
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: and that's going to make you happy. And like, now

585
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: our politics are aligned. Yes, we can't do it. I

586
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: won't do it. I won't do it. I won't do

587
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: it. It's not sustained, it's not sustainable.

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Speaker 1: And we have fundraised in the past. We've we've tried

589
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: that model and we did it and it worked for

590
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: what we needed to do. But it wasn't too fundraise

591
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: for a whole production budget and for a team, right.

592
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: It was actually to start the fucking LLC, now that

593
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I remember, Yes, it was for the LLC because we

594
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: had no money. But people were telling us, you have

595
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Speaker 1: to form an LLC. And that's why we fucking fundraised

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00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm remembering now.

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Speaker 2: Help me, Lord, Yes, it's a lot. So anyways, this

598
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: is our complaining portion. We're complaining.

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00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I lost it for a second because

600
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Speaker 1: I just remembered that's why we were fundraising, which no,

601
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love like. It was such a I

602
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: think a very interesting practice for us to raise funds

603
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: like this is something that nonprofits do, that grassroots organizations do,

604
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: that media companies do. It is not uncommon to ask

605
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: for fundraising dollar like, to be clear, but it was

606
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: our first time doing it, and I don't think it's

607
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: sustainable for us to do it every single year, because

608
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: that's not the model that we're operating under.

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00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: Would you, as listeners, prefer that we ask you for

610
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: money every month? Or would you prefer that we ask

611
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: our network for money?

612
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Like?

613
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, which one would y'all prefer? Because I know which

614
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: one I prefer. I prefer to ask the multinational conglomerate. Yes,

615
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: that's I would prefer to ask them. Not because I

616
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: don't value your politics as listeners, I do, but I

617
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: think that your money should be for you, yeah, and

618
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: for the fun things you want to do when you're

619
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: not working, and after you're done paying all of your

620
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: bills under capitalism, I don't think you should also pay

621
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Speaker 2: my bills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like, I think one of kind of

623
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: where we have been at this like cross roads for

624
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: years now, where you know, we want to put our

625
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: stuff online and then we get these like quote influencer contracts,

626
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: but then we're selling something to you, and that doesn't

627
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: necessarily feel like aligned with who we are and what

628
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: we do. You know, we're podcasters. We want to give

629
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: you analysis and interviews and some fun and some politics

630
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: from time to time, right, But I think like that

631
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: has kind of been really challenging for us, where everyone

632
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: is like you have to show up online more. We

633
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: get that advice all the time, but it's it's still

634
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: feeding this algorithm and that complicates my fucking ethics and

635
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: politics actually, and so that is kind of where I'm

636
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: at in this journey. But I think just bringing it

637
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: back to all of this, you know, like we take

638
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: the critique and the criticism and we hold it and

639
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: we discuss it.

640
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh, we hold it all right, I'm holding it right here.

641
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: We discuss it and we you know, we we apply

642
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: what needs to be applied. You know, and some things

643
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: cannot be applied, you know. I will say though, like

644
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely vulnerable to have your at this point, right, like,

645
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: this is our life's work thus far. Yeah, you know,

646
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: to be critiqued. But if I'm putting my scholarly hat on,

647
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: I like, I see it and I'm like, I agree

648
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: with you, actually. But if I'm taking that hat off

649
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Speaker 1: and putting on my artist, producer, podcast or hat, I'm like, yeah,

650
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: but this is what makes it sustainable. And that is

651
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: a really really hard thing to navigate as a working

652
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: artist and as a working producer, especially living in Los Angeles,

653
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: to try to negotiate all of these different things, you know.

654
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: And so I definitely hold both as the scholar and

655
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: the artist. But I'm like, they're not they can't meet,

656
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: and it's one of those both can be true for me.

657
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I agree with you, actually, but also in

658
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: order to live and create, this is part of the journey.

659
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the journey. But we have to

660
00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: remember it's the entertainment industry. It's both. Yeah, it's an industry,

661
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, and it's work. It's labor. It might be fun,

662
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: it's like it's like, okay, to draw comparison, you know

663
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: how like runners love to be like, my sport is

664
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: your sports punishment. Yes, our job is your entertainment. It's

665
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: the thing you do when you're not working, right, It's

666
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: the thing you do when you are putting your laundry away,

667
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: or when you're on a drive, or when you're on

668
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: a walk. So maybe it doesn't feel like work because

669
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: it's your downtime, right, but it's our job. And jobs

670
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: deserve compensation.

671
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Yes, right, they do deserve compensation.

672
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Labor deserves compensation, and so I think that's really important

673
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: when we consider, like why is this artist charging so

674
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: much for their art for their work? Well, because that's

675
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 2: the compensation. That's their job.

676
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's just let's just talk about it

677
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: from like a labor perspective, right, let's get into it.

678
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: Let's go there. So one episode that's thirty minutes probably

679
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: took ten hours to make, and that's on the lower

680
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: the lower side. Our producers here, and she can tell

681
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: you like, no, you're probably wrong. She'll probably say fifteen, right,

682
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: But we're not just talking about the editing, right, It's

683
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: like from idea to research to writing to recording, not

684
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: even considering like the prep, right, the additional prep driving

685
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: to the studio, like the materials, right, that it takes

686
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: in by materials, I mean my fucking makeup that is expensive,

687
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, and being on camera and what that means, right,

688
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: my clothes, having to put a look together, right, That

689
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: is all a part of the practice and the labor.

690
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: It might seem glamorous, but it's not.

691
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: It's not.

692
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: And then it's work. And then we turn around the

693
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: audio to Stephanie, our lovely producer, and then she'll spend

694
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: four hours maybe editing, right because it's an our maybe episode,

695
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: and she'll trim it down to forty minutes to maybe

696
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. We do our best to stay in like

697
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: the confines, and then we still have to put it

698
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: up on the distribution platforms, and then we still have

699
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: to market it. So actually it's more than ten hours.

700
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: But if we're just talking about the labor of making

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Speaker 1: one episode that's thirty five minutes, it's ten hours.

702
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: And you don't tune in to listen to us because

703
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: we're boring. You don't, and you don't tune in because

704
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: we don't have opinions or we have nothing to say, right,

705
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: like you also tune in because we're bringing personality, we're

706
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: bringing life experience, we're bringing like perspective and POV like

707
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: and all of our trauma and all of our trauma

708
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: and so all of it. You know, we also have

709
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: to go out and like live lives so we have

710
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: something to come back and talk to you about. Yes,

711
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: it's all part of like we're out and about we're living,

712
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: we're traveling, we're having experiences, and then we so often

713
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: we text each other we need to talk about this

714
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: on an episode, and that kicks off the creative process. Yeah, definitely,

715
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, so I also wanted to be known that

716
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Speaker 2: all of these things that we're saying to you, we

717
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: said in an email to Esther. Oh yeah, we wrote

718
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Speaker 2: all of this to her after we wrote her after

719
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Speaker 2: we read her pages and the critique of the network,

720
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: because we didn't have a chance to sit down for

721
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Speaker 2: an interview with her about it. So we felt like

722
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: we had to explain ourselves or like give some backstory

723
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: as to the choice to make the move into the

724
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Speaker 2: network and what it entailed for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is really the first time we've

727
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: complained all season.

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've been pretty measured all season.

729
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: Actually so good. We've been so good all season.

730
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Speaker 1: You want to know why, Because LA has been on fire,

731
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: literally community under attack. We have not had like the

732
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: bandwidth and I think airtime to like talk about ourselves. Yeah,

733
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: which is fine, okay, but I think that's why we're

734
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: all so like overdue, because we're like, oh, we have

735
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot to say today.

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Speaker 2: We've been holding this in for some time because you

737
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: need to know that, like we read these pages a

738
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: lot year ago. Yeah, so we've been stewing. Actually we've

739
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: been stewing on this for an entire year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. And this is like no shade

741
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: or hate to esther. She you know, hired us to

742
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: present to her class because she streamed like look that's

743
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: anonymous during the pandemic, you know. And so I do

744
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: want to also mention that, like we're just responding to

745
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: the critique that we were not able to respond to

746
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: in real time, you know, because there was no interview process.

747
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: Her research period was over, and so that is also

748
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: like why we feel like we want to talk about it.

749
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: And also it's part of the archive.

750
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's in a book. It's in a book.

751
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: It's in a book, you know.

752
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to set the record straight, Honey.

753
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: We must give our nuanced perspective as to what the

754
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: network deal meant.

755
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: That's all. Yeah, But if you want, we could just

756
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: give up the contract. I don't want, you know, if

757
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: that'll make everybody happier.

758
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: It'll make nobody happier, especially yes, And you know what exactly,

759
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what irks me about this whole thing.

760
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: If we had not joined the network, would it have

761
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: improved everyone's lives? Like, would everybody be happier? No?

762
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: I would probably be sad. I'd probably be quite sad

763
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: because eventually the project would have had to fizzle because

764
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: it would have had to because there would have been

765
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: no financial backing, no sustainability. Like eventually we would have

766
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: probably had to go get real jobs at some and

767
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: real not that this is not real, but by real,

768
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean a nine to five, Like we would have

769
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: had to go back back in to nine to five.

770
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: I would have probably gotten a degree in public health.

771
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: We were talking about that. Yeah, then it's because of

772
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: the pandemic. Yeah, so we're like, maybe we need to

773
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: go into public I need to.

774
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: Go work in comms in public health.

775
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Because what yeah, and you know those things, I feel

776
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: like because of what we've built, like that type of

777
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: work can figure in somehow. Oh yeah, right, but because

778
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: of what we've built for ourselves, Like this is not

779
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: the ceiling. There's more, more is coming, more is on

780
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: the horizon. Like there's always something that we're doing backstage, always, always,

781
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: always there's something else in progress that's important too, you know.

782
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad we signed. I'm

783
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: glad we did it. I want us to stay.

784
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I also would like to stay because it is

785
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: it's a tough industry, and the industry feels so precarious.

786
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: We've talked about this in like previous episodes, you know

787
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: where indie shows don't always get their flowers, they don't

788
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: get investment. Now we're in the era of AI hosted

789
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: podcast Like studios get bought and then are disbanded. Like

790
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: there's so many ways that these The industry is disheartening

791
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: and can break your fucking heart. And I think like,

792
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: for as long as we can do this and sustain it,

793
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: like that's as long as I want to do it.

794
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: It's I mean, I wake up in the morning, I'm

795
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: like I go to school, I come to the studio,

796
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: we have our events, we do our work, and I

797
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: think to myself, like, what a gorgeous life like to

798
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: be able to create art intel stories. And we live

799
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: in southern California, and you know, is there always more

800
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: money that could be made, Sure? Is there more work

801
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: that can be done, Sure, But we're laying the foundation

802
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: for all of those things to come to us, and

803
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: we have been for such a long time. And I

804
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: just feel very like privileged to be able to live

805
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: the life that we live. Absolutely, it's great, it's cool.

806
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm often fighting for my life,

807
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: but you know, like this is it's still something that

808
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: I would in trade. You know, I think this year

809
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: has been so childchallenging, like the entrepreneurship side of this business,

810
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: right because we're always do a business. But you know,

811
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't trade it for anything else. And I

812
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: second what you say, like I feel super privileged that

813
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: I get to do this and to be fully transparent,

814
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: like I'm also able to do this because I got married,

815
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't think that that's something that

816
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: is talked about enough, like being a working artist, like

817
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: and having a spouse that has a full time job

818
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: with a good salary and healthcare like that is also

819
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: makes this sustainable. You know, we don't have to pay

820
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: for my health insurance. We can pay for malas you know,

821
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that is all part

822
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: of like how we make this sustainable for ourselves. We

823
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: have like found ways to make it work, and you know,

824
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not without its challenges, but it is definitely,

825
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, something that we're really privileged and happy to

826
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: do and want to continue doing and will continue.

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00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: Doing and will continue doing. So. Yeah, we just want

828
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Speaker 2: to thank all the haters for motivating us and for

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00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,799
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Speaker 1: I want to thank all our listeners for rocking with us,

832
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: not our haters. Sometimes there's an overlap though, but.

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Speaker 1: In particular, I want to thank our listeners who have

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