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Speaker 1: You're listening to Math and Magic, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And those guys they actually looked at the July issue

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Speaker 2: that I had prototyped and they said, this is fabulous,

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Speaker 2: but what would you do next July? And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: living is a limitless subject matter.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to iHeart. We're doing a live episode of my podcast,

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Speaker 3: Math and Magic, and we're here celebrating a great friend

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Speaker 3: of mine who has got her one hundredth book. Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: I think I met Martha on about book number two

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Speaker 3: or three. We were trying to remember how long it's been.

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Speaker 3: She is a podcaster with US, as well as being

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Speaker 3: probably the most famous and influential lifestyle brand. Indeed, she

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Speaker 3: is one of those one word people, Martha. She is

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Speaker 3: also author, TV host, product creator, and she was even

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Speaker 3: the first self made female billionaire. Martha's life reminds me

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Speaker 3: of that old Chinese proverb those who say it can't

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Speaker 3: be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.

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Speaker 3: Martha has always been that risk taker who has completely

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Speaker 3: ignored the conventional wisdom and wins again and again and again, books, catering,

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Speaker 3: TV show or magazine. She was, by the way, even

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Speaker 3: in the Paris Olympics. Anybody see that. It's interesting if

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Speaker 3: I think about Martha, and I've known her a long time,

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Speaker 3: why she's so successful. One, she has this incredible vision,

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Speaker 3: but she also has a tenacity, and she has a

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Speaker 3: way of bringing new ideas, doing it a different way,

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Speaker 3: but she brings it over the finish line again and again. Martha. Welcome,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Bob did before we dig in.

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Speaker 3: I want to do a little feature we call you

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Speaker 3: in sixty seconds and it's sort of a lightning round style.

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Speaker 4: Who makes these things up?

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Speaker 3: I make these up? Come on, Come on, okay, so

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Speaker 3: here we go. You ready? Do you prefer cats or dogs?

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Speaker 4: Cats?

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Speaker 3: Early riser or night out very early riser, West Coast

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Speaker 3: or East Coast, East Coast, Maine or New York? Mean salt?

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Speaker 3: Oh salty? We have one person from me? Salty or sweet?

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Speaker 4: Sweet?

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Speaker 3: Coffee or team?

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Speaker 1: I like both?

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Speaker 3: Streaming video or podcast.

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Speaker 4: Streaming video?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, oh wow, a knife to the heart. Introvert or extrovert.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm an extrovert.

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Speaker 3: Eat out or order in eat out good? I have

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Speaker 3: tell you how it works. First, costandric On s tequila

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Speaker 3: or CBD, oh, comedy or drama, drama, Christmas or Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: Call or text?

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Speaker 4: Call or text I hate text.

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Speaker 3: Call? Okay, pop get a little harder. Favorite luxury vacation

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Speaker 3: where I haven't been, Favorite vegetable, figetable, secret.

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Speaker 4: Talent, secret talent juggling.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one. And the last one, the piece

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, my iPad.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get started. You and your book first.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever think you were going to wind up

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Speaker 3: writing one hundred books? Yeah? You did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a minor goal.

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Speaker 3: So tell us what makes this book different? What's the

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Speaker 3: theme and the idea and the vision of Martha the

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Speaker 3: cook This is the book.

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Speaker 4: It's called Martha the Cookbook.

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Speaker 2: It's a hundred of my favorite recipes, not all I

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Speaker 2: have a lot more favorite recipes, but a hundred of

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Speaker 4: And it's nice because it it incorporates.

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Speaker 2: Not only a really good, authentic and well tested recipe,

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Speaker 2: this year I think it's with a documentary that came

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Speaker 2: can I brag one I was just called before I

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Speaker 4: Before it even before it even got into the bookstores.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that great?

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Speaker 3: Fantastic number? Radulate broadcast book. I want to ask you

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Speaker 3: just a little bit about the cooking part. You've cooked

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Speaker 2: And just being relaxed, I think, and being able to

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Speaker 2: I have made a company on those subjects and it's

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Speaker 2: just part of my lifestyle. And it's always fun to

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Speaker 2: have friends over. It's always friends. It's fun to see

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Speaker 3: Were you that kind of cook before you started your

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Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty one, I went to I got married,

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Speaker 2: I'm Julie. I should have done the movie then. But

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Speaker 2: I cooked every single recipe and I entertained our friends

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Speaker 4: You know, I should have. I should have, would have,

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Speaker 2: But but it was so much fun, and that's that's

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Speaker 3: And how did that turn into the catering business. I know,

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Speaker 2: Quit Wall Street after about seven or eight years. I

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Speaker 2: something that interested me. I don't know why, because nothing

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Speaker 3: But when you started, catering was much more of one

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Speaker 3: that cheese on ritz crackers and uh, oh not mine,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you must have looked and said, oh, this

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Speaker 4: Just I loved good food.

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Speaker 2: I had traveled a little bit by that time, and

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Speaker 2: I had eaten in the very finest restaurants. My husband

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Speaker 2: And plus I grew up with great food. My mother

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Speaker 3: And so then you turned that in two books.

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Speaker 2: Well, then I realized that if I didn't do something

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Speaker 2: I was creating for people, not myself, so much that

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Speaker 2: So we started to photograph all the parties, and I

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Speaker 2: turned into entertaining my first book in nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 2: that they could also enterchain, they could cook, they could

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Speaker 3: So let's jump a little bit. Time and Warner Merge

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Speaker 3: time Inche couldn't have been more straight legs, more sort

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Speaker 2: I was writing a book a year at that time,

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Speaker 2: What else could I do to actually maximize the subject

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Speaker 2: They passed on it. They said, eh, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: but you can't do more than a book a year anyway.

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Speaker 4: And now I'm doing it four books a year.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, well, the other format that I could

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Speaker 2: do is a magazine.

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Speaker 4: So I went first.

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Speaker 2: To Condy Nast to sign a new house who was

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Speaker 2: very receptive. He gave me enough money to do a prototype,

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Speaker 4: He was really smart, and when.

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Speaker 2: I came up with the prototype, he said, well, what

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Speaker 2: do you want it to be called? And I said,

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Speaker 2: Martha Stewart Living. And he said, well, it can be Living,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be Martha Stewart.

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Speaker 2: Somehow I knew that branding was important. So he said

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Speaker 2: I always always love students, and I think that if you,

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Speaker 3: But you have, you've done a masterful job of this

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Speaker 3: Second piece of advice, if you could go back in time,

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Speaker 4: Be more careful. Don't be so blase. I was blase.

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Speaker 2: I trusted a couple people I should never have trusted.

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Speaker 3: It all worked out well, Ah could have been better. Martha,

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Speaker 3: congrat some book one hundred, your podcast and all you're

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Speaker 3: doing for sure.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's episode. Thanks so much for listening

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Speaker 1: to Math and Magic, a production of iHeart Podcasts. The

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Speaker 1: show is hosted by Bob Pittman. Special thanks to Sydney

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Speaker 1: Rosenbloom for booking and wrangling our wonderful talent, which is

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Speaker 1: no small feat. The math and magic team is Jessica Crimechitch,

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Speaker 1: Bahid Fraser and Julia Weaver. Our executive producers are Ali

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Speaker 1: Perry and Nikky Etour. Until next time,