WEBVTT - 012724 $25 Million for Black Man Wrongfully Convicted (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>Iromy host Ramsy's Jock he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Rams's jah I am q Ward. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>continuing into an inna civic sycy. Yeah, we really do

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it, and we still got some more for you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be talking about Ronnie Long. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman who's been making headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Lately for getting released from prison after forty four years

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<v Speaker 1>for a wrongful conviction and then being awarded seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand dollars and saying, you know what, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not right because forty four years of my life is

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<v Speaker 1>not worth seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Even what he what he ended up getting, is still

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<v Speaker 2>still not enough. Yeah, four years of his life, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot less insulting.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're going to spend some time talking about

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<v Speaker 1>him and indeed the prevalence of cases just like that,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, people are innocent but they end up

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<v Speaker 1>doing prison time. But before we get there, it's time

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<v Speaker 1>dot com all right, and today's story comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Information Network. According to GBP, businesswoman and philanthropist Ronda Striker.

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<v Speaker 3>Should look her up.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like God, she's a billionaire and he's white. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go those in Ona and her husband William Johnston,

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<v Speaker 1>chairman of Greenleaf Trust, donated one hundred million dollars to Spellman,

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<v Speaker 1>marking the largest single donation ever made to an HBCU.

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<v Speaker 1>That's historically black college or university, all right. Striker, a

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<v Speaker 1>Spelman College trustee since nineteen seven ninety seven, hopes to

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<v Speaker 1>empower women through higher education and create more opportunities for

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<v Speaker 1>marginalized groups. According to a press release of the one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred movie and dollars, seventy five million will go toward

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<v Speaker 1>in doubt scholarships for future students in hopes of removing

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<v Speaker 1>financial barriers that prevent qualified individuals from attending Spellman and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five million will be used to help create an

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<v Speaker 1>academic focus on public policy and democracy, improve student housing,

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<v Speaker 1>and provide flexible funding meet critical and strategic needs.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>We are invigorated and inspired by this incredible act of generosity,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Helene Gail, President of Spellman College, said in the

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<v Speaker 1>press release. This gift is a critical step in our

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<v Speaker 1>school's mission to eliminate financial barriers to starting and finishing

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<v Speaker 1>a Spellman education. We can't thank Ronda Striker enough for

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<v Speaker 1>her selflessness and support as both the trustee and friend.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no doubt that Spellman College is better because

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<v Speaker 1>of her. And that is an ally if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>saw one, especially because as of late, as you well know,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably going to talk about it next week, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been so much pushback for DEI inclusivity, affirmative action, and

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<v Speaker 1>really black access to a better life.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out the Spellman College and the entire ACU.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's talk about Ronnie Long.

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<v Speaker 1>So we painted a little bit of a picture for you,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to share a bit from CBS News.

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<v Speaker 1>A man wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for forty four years,

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<v Speaker 1>has reached a twenty five million dollars combined settlement with

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<v Speaker 1>a central North Carolina city and the state of North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina involving a lawsuit accusing authorities of misconduct, the man's

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer said Tuesday. The settlement, which will end a wrongful

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<v Speaker 1>incarceration lawsuit filed by attorneys for Ronnie Wallace Long in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, also included a public written apology from

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Concord for its role in his imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 1>The city, located about twenty five miles northeast of Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 1>has agreed to pay twenty two million dollars. In the

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<v Speaker 1>settlement quote, we are deeply remorseful for the past wrongs

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<v Speaker 1>that caused tremendous harm to mister Long, his family, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and our community, The city statement read. While there are

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<v Speaker 1>no measures to fully restore to mister Long and his

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<v Speaker 1>family all that was taken from them through this agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>we are doing everything in our power to write the

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<v Speaker 1>past wrongs and take responsibility. Long now sixty eight, was

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<v Speaker 1>a young black man living in Concord when he was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of raping a white woman. An all white jury

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<v Speaker 1>in Caberis County that Long's attorneys said was handpicked by

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<v Speaker 1>local law enforcement leaders convicted Long of burglary and rape

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy six at age twenty one. Long received

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<v Speaker 1>two life sentences. Long was helped for years in its

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<v Speaker 1>criminal case appeal by a wrongful convictions clinic at Duke

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<v Speaker 1>University's law school. Long's attorneys had said that more than

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<v Speaker 1>forty fingerprints collected from the scene were never shared and

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<v Speaker 1>did not match lungs Seamen's samples also were never disclosed

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<v Speaker 1>to the defense. They later disappeared. A state commission awarded

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<v Speaker 1>Long seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, initially by the law,

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<v Speaker 1>the state's top compensation for victims of wrongful incarceration. He

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<v Speaker 1>then sued in federal court and rally and in part

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<v Speaker 1>accused Conquered police officers of extraordinary misconduct that led to

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<v Speaker 1>his wrongful conviction and imprisonment in violation of his civil rights.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of the settlement, Long also received three million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from the State Bureau of Investigation quote as reculte

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<v Speaker 1>sorry as a result of the SBI's role in hiding

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<v Speaker 1>evidence from mister Long and his legal team that proved

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<v Speaker 1>his innocence. And I want to read this statement just

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it helps make this live a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more because remember how young he was at age

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. I know my mother and father died with

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<v Speaker 1>a broken heart. He said, I'm going to tell them

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<v Speaker 1>now when I visit the grave site, your son is clear. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a whole lot here. Q. Let's get your

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<v Speaker 1>your initial take on this one before we break it

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<v Speaker 1>down even further.

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<v Speaker 2>It has long been the position of people in power,

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<v Speaker 2>be it legislators, policymakers, or law enforcement two, as you

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<v Speaker 2>said in our previous topic, doubled down on their wrongs,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when those most affected by those wrongs look like us,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than do the work, and in this case, did

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<v Speaker 2>the work and ignored their findings just to maintain their

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<v Speaker 2>position that this young man was by nature criminal. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you have to remember that these trials in the

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<v Speaker 2>Deep South of people that look like us, when law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement does not, when law enforcement is entrenched in white supremacy,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an assumption of guilt from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>And the idea is, even if we didn't get the

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<v Speaker 2>right person, we got one of them. We got one

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<v Speaker 2>and they would have likely probably done it anyway, done

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<v Speaker 2>something anyway, right, real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say something for those that missed the

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<v Speaker 1>Way Black History Fact. We do a Way Black History

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<v Speaker 1>Fact on the show every week. We just talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Fanny lou Hamer and she went to a doctory to

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<v Speaker 1>have a uterine surgery and they forced sterilization on her

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<v Speaker 1>during that procedure against her wishes without her knowing. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is not like this way of thinking, at least

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<v Speaker 1>we got one of them, or got one off the street,

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually done something that goes beyond law enforcement. This

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<v Speaker 1>is and that's that is not an isolated story. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not even isolated to black people. There have been population

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<v Speaker 1>control measures that have been forced on Puerto Rico comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind. I know that our Hispanic brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 1>they've had issues with this as well, but please continue.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to live with that reality. This man

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<v Speaker 2>almost literally lived the entirety of his life.

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<v Speaker 3>In prison.

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<v Speaker 2>You commit a crime that is a very impossible thing

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<v Speaker 2>to reconcile. That's why you see people react to sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>to harsh sentences the way that they do, even though

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty when all the evidence pointed to them, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a likelihood because we don't know without being able

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<v Speaker 2>to actually prove it ourselves. We don't know, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>even in instances where you'd be so inclined to believe

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<v Speaker 2>this person is guilty, forty four years is a lifetime, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>even for a crime you committed to try to daily

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<v Speaker 2>reconcile for forty four years, something that you are absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>certain that you did not do and that you probably

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<v Speaker 2>assumed upon your arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the evidence will Yeah, I'll be funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the evidence is going to show very very swiftly

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<v Speaker 2>that I had nothing to do with this is the

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<v Speaker 2>way that a normal person would react. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>go into it kind of like, man, this could really

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<v Speaker 2>go bad.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter what you're gonna love.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to say if all the evidence shows that

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't me. It's really hard to try with the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time that we have to articulate how it

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<v Speaker 2>feels to know this singular truth. Unfortunately for us, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that it's not singular, which makes it far worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I want. There's two things I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say. One I'll get to eventually, but the first

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<v Speaker 1>one that I want to say is that on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>we use examples like this as a way of illuminating

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<v Speaker 1>or giving you an aperture into understanding data. We are

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<v Speaker 1>not two black men who got an hour of radio

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<v Speaker 1>time and thought, hey, why don't we just complain about

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<v Speaker 1>isolated incidents.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this show was put together meticulously.

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<v Speaker 1>And rather than us spouting out numbers of rates of incarceration,

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<v Speaker 1>rates of whatever bad that is affecting marginalized people in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, we often enough do our best to share

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<v Speaker 1>stories that let you know what the real world implications are,

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<v Speaker 1>and that explain that data to you in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that humanizes it and that allows you. We're assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>you are potential allies or maybe well established allies. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to us on this radio station, this gives

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<v Speaker 1>you some insight into.

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<v Speaker 3>The numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, we're not just talking for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>of talking. We don't think this stuff is cool. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not trying to bum in everybody out. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what allows us to make the numbers live, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that you said, and this is the other

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<v Speaker 3>point I wanted to make.

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<v Speaker 1>When you talk about a normal person getting himmed up

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<v Speaker 1>by the police, right, normal person who's innocent would think

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<v Speaker 1>to themselves, oh, you know what, I'm innocent I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>explain it to the police and they will understand that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm innocent of this crime. Everything is going to be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>or I just want to survive this interaction, right, No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's us. I'm talking about a normal person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, No, No, I'm or yeah, you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the idea is I can't of course, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>explain myself about this. I'm being arrested, right, So, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying. So let me just get

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<v Speaker 2>through this because eventually they're going to see that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even there, or it was him I saw him,

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<v Speaker 2>or video or the fingerprints or something like, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way this was me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be fine, yeah, right, okay, So normal person says

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<v Speaker 1>that normal person, so let me not say normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say heterosexual. Straight. I guess that's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian white, healthy man, Okay, might have this type of thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let me just talk to the police. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll explain everything to them. We'll be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, according to a certain superintendent, what you just described

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<v Speaker 2>is normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is what Yeah, so this is what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to say. We have to so thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that to conform to the normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, So that's what this person is thinking, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes sense if indeed he is innocent. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to see here. Let me just explain it to them

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll be fine. For people who don't fit that

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<v Speaker 1>specific description, it can be more problematic. The darker you are,

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<v Speaker 1>the more problematic it is. And there's other factors. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like a scale, you know, the more this you are,

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<v Speaker 1>the more problematic those interactions can be. So much so

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<v Speaker 1>that we actively teach people on this show. If the

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<v Speaker 1>police are talking to you, it's like you know, name

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<v Speaker 1>and rank and that's it. Like you're showing me your ID.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm being detained, I request my right to legal counsel,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I'm being arrested, whatever you know? And

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<v Speaker 1>the most basic of questions, because the truth of the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is that the police are so well equipped to

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<v Speaker 1>take words. If you think you're explaining words to them

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<v Speaker 1>and use those words against you, you could be guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of a crime that you don't even know exist. It's

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<v Speaker 1>their job to know all ten thousand laws that you

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<v Speaker 1>may have broken. I didn't just make up that number.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a real number. Their job is to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll catch you on something. Hey, you were riding

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<v Speaker 1>your bike and it didn't have a light on the

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<v Speaker 1>front of it. You see what I'm saying, And then

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<v Speaker 1>they can they have the right to detain you as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of that. And now you're detained and being questioned,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you say the wrong thing I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>was coming from here and I was going there. Oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you're in a world of mess

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The thing is the reason we know this,

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't just learn this doing the show. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been knowing this. The reason I know that is because

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<v Speaker 1>I've lived a black life. I'm gonna take it a

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<v Speaker 1>step first.

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<v Speaker 2>It's urban myth that most black Americans could be paralegals

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<v Speaker 2>just from that interactions with law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>So watch this this next step.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned something about if you're black and you're interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with the police and you get arrested and you're hemmed up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very different situation because there's a chance you

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<v Speaker 1>might not make it out, even if the evidence is

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<v Speaker 1>in your favor, even if you are completely innocent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to survive the interaction first, I mean literally,

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<v Speaker 1>ye that first, you have to not have your life

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<v Speaker 1>taken just during the interaction, even for something as benign

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<v Speaker 1>as your tail light is out or you didn't signal

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<v Speaker 1>before you got over, like imagine that that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>Even we do videos of people dying because of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. All did was not signal before changing lanes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the result of that interaction, the subsequent interaction, was

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<v Speaker 1>that you died. Because they go around with guns and

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<v Speaker 1>they get scared so easily. And Q always says he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really think they're scared anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that that's not fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I try to give the benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 1>because I know there's people that will push back, not

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<v Speaker 1>because I sincerely believe that there's some things that just

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<v Speaker 1>are objectively like not scary anyway. And if they are scary,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be an officer. We should not call you

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<v Speaker 1>a brave hero that protects us or whatever. It contradicts

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<v Speaker 1>that narrative. And then even back to what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk for a second about plea deals.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would an innocent person accept.

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<v Speaker 3>The plea.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhetorical or you want some fee?

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<v Speaker 3>No no no, no, no no no, I'll I'll make the point.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you know, I know you got it. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>jump on.

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<v Speaker 1>Look man, y'all, y'all may not notice, but Q is

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<v Speaker 1>from Detroit. He knows these stories better than well about

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<v Speaker 1>the same rest of us.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that, But Q it got them Detroit stores.

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<v Speaker 3>My older brothers on the other side, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to say yeah so so yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of insight as to why someone innocent

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<v Speaker 2>of a crime would do such a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So watch this. Here's the data for you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This comes from the Innocence Project, so you can check

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<v Speaker 1>this out for yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Innocenceproject dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fifty seven percent of the people who have been

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<v Speaker 1>freed from prison for a crime that they did not commit,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven percent of them were black.

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<v Speaker 3>How many what percentage of black people are there in

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<v Speaker 3>this country? Roughly fourteen? There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty seven percent who have been exonerated were black.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Of those exonerated after a guilty plea was entered, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five percent were black and brown people. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you see how an innocent person could enter in to

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<v Speaker 1>the record a plea of guilty or to accept the

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<v Speaker 1>plea deal because their chances of fighting that either they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the money, they're not in the best legal

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<v Speaker 1>position to have as much strength going into that, or

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<v Speaker 1>they realize that they could lose even if they're innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me just explit the difference. I'll accept the

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<v Speaker 1>plea I'll be home in two years, five or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the number is, and what does that do? That pads

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<v Speaker 1>the incarceration rates and that adds to the narrative that

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<v Speaker 1>black people and brown people are criminals and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>How about this? So the Georgia Innocence Project projects this

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<v Speaker 1>studies or says this studies estimate that four to six

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<v Speaker 1>percent of incarcerated people are innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a criminal justice system as deeply flawed. But

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Stevenson is a person who're a big fan of

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<v Speaker 1>on this show.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Head guy of the Equal Justice Initiative, So check him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Stevenson an Equal Justice Initiative. He says something that

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<v Speaker 1>is very potent, and we've said on the show before

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<v Speaker 1>as well, these are often enough life and death situations

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<v Speaker 1>and circumstances. Would you get onto an airplane if you

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<v Speaker 1>knew that four to six percent of airplanes crashed.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we not have that?

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<v Speaker 1>Would we allow an industry to exist if four to

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<v Speaker 1>six percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the airplanes crashed? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But we allow this in the criminal justice system because

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<v Speaker 1>we've written these people off. And he believes that we've

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<v Speaker 1>written these people off unfairly because the criminal justice system

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself is biased. It's not so simple

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<v Speaker 1>as just don't do the crime, right, because as we see,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do the crime to lose forty

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<v Speaker 1>four years of your life and then get an insulting

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say the next statistic, four to six percent

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a very very small number, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>some people, given the data like that would accept that

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<v Speaker 2>as a risk they would take.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Car accidents are a far higher percentage of that We

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<v Speaker 2>get in our car and drive every day. So make

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<v Speaker 2>that live a little bit better if you could. I

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<v Speaker 2>got you, Doug, So watch this. That means one out

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty cases result in a wrongful conviction. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to take the last second to add this. There's

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<v Speaker 2>this number that you may have come across if you're

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<v Speaker 2>really like in the social justice like me, and Q

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen fifty or thirteen fifty two. The idea there is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a racist trope. But the idea is that

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<v Speaker 2>these people will say, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen percent of the population commits fifty percent of the crime,

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<v Speaker 1>or fifty two percent of the crime.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thirteen fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you factor in poverty rates, when you factor

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<v Speaker 1>in access to necessities, when you factor in over policing,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not that these people commit that much crime,

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<v Speaker 1>it's they get arrested that much crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, black people used of that much crime there is

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<v Speaker 2>charged with that much crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you add to it the fact that these

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful arrests exist and disproportionately overwhelmingly in most instances, affect

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<v Speaker 1>black people. Now you're starting to get those numbers a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more consistent with those of our white brothers

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<v Speaker 1>who often espouse this number thirteen fifty or thirteen fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's your food for thought for the week, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll leave it right there. I'd like to thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>as always for tuning in to Civic Cipher once again.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host, ramses.

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<v Speaker 2>Joh and I again am in your show with the

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<v Speaker 2>ups stomach because a lot of this information is just really,

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to digest, especially after having the benefit like

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<v Speaker 2>us of being in so many other places in the

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<v Speaker 2>world and experiencing life from the perspective of people who

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<v Speaker 2>don't see us as by nature beneath an other.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the truth is is that we got a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to go, but fortunately we're walking for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're walking for each other. I appreciate you every week

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<v Speaker 1>you and I know that you always thank me. That matters,

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