1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: What is it that you would like from him, for 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: him to like spend some of the time off of 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: video games and spend some quality time with me. Majority 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: of the time he doesn't want to play like games 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: that I'm willing to play, so it's kind of like 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: trying to get interested in his hobby and finding things 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: I enjoyed his hobby just to like that'll be put 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: on the back burner. 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 2: Tabby, Hello, I'm here, Tabby. How are you. 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: I'm good. 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm surprised I got through. 12 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 4: How are you doing? 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Tabby? It says here that your fiance spends more time 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: playing video games than he spends with you. This is true. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he does, and he's only played video games 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 4: like ever since I've known him and my dad and 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: I've always. 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: Been up on video games, and I do have a 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: PC so I can play with him. But sometimes well, 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: majority of the time he doesn't want to play like 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: games that I'm willing to play, So it's kind of 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: like I feel like I compromise, like trying to get 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: interested in his hobby and finding things I enjoying his 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: hobby just to like still be put on the back 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: burner so it can be frustrating sometimes. 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: So what is it, what is it that you would 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: like for him. 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: For him to like spend some of the time off 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: of video games and spend some quality time with me. 30 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of men, and I don't 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: mean to generalize, but a lot of people just find 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: like peace like being in the same room or like 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: the same place as like there's significant other. But that's 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: not necessarily in my eyes, like spending quality time. So 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: like sometimes I just like even if it's just like 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: watching a movie, which I guess in a way it 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: is kind of not the same thing, but it kind 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: of kind of is. I don't know, I don't know 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: really what Like he's not a talkative person and I am, 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: and that's fine. I can talk for the both of us. 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: But maybe it'd be nice to like go on a walk, 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: or to go shopping or go to dinner or like 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: we don't even have to spend money. I just sometimes 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I wish we could like walk away from the video games. 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: So all right, have you have you told him everything 46 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: that you just told me? 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's where it really comes from where he 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: says he likes to like just like have each other's 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: company and that's like where I feel like being in 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: the same room or the same house isn't necessarily like 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: hanging out with each other. So and he has a 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: twin brother, and and want a twin too, But me 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: and my twin are very different where him and his 54 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: twin are very much the same, where they both are 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: like NonStop video games and so like they like encourage 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: each other and that's the way for them to bond. 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: And I thought, well, I feel like, well, I know 58 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: you keep bringing up video games, but uh and let's 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: hear armchair therapy here. Video games are just like the 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: they're not the thing itself, right, I mean, he's looking, 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: he's looking for something else inside of the video games. 62 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Whether it's like, you know, he just wants to be alone. 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: He just wants like you know, he spends time with you, 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: and you know he prefers the like, hey, let's be 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 2: in the same room and exists together and that's enough, 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: and you want the quality time. It's like he obviously 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: wants something that the video games are giving him, right, 68 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, what do you I mean, first 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: of all, do you agree with that? And second of all, 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: if you do agree with that, what do you think 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: that thing. 72 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Is ah, that could be it. He is a police officer, 73 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: so he has a very stressful job, so I feel 74 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: like it's kind of his escape from like real life 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: and from like distresses that work brings him, if that 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: makes sense. So maybe that's what it is. Like he 77 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: deals with people all day every day, so maybe he 78 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: wants time away from people. But I wish that I 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: wasn't like a part of that group. And it might 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: not be that personal, but it's sometimes it's hard to 81 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: not take personal. 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 5: M O. 83 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Guys, have you told him that. 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: That it's hard to not take. I feel like I'm 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: very open open with my feelings with him, but I 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: feel like he gets like defensive or like he feels 87 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: bad for like two seconds, and so that's why sometimes 88 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: like I understand, like that's what he wants to do, 89 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: and I try to like play with him and stuff. 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I don't know what a good 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: compromise is because I feel like I've tried, and it's 92 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: hard to like get him to try without it like 93 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: being a big thing. So sometimes I just believe it 94 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: be because I just would rather not buy about it 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: or be annoying or whatever. 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: You know, dude, it's really hard because you know, it's 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: hard when we're talking about relationship stuff because I'm very 98 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: strong on the whole like accept trying to accept shit 99 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: that you can't control, right, end up doing the best 100 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: with what you can control. And relationships are tricky one 101 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: because you can't You can't of other people are like 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: at the tippy top of the category of things you 103 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: can't control. So like you fucking can't make your fiance 104 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: do anything. You can't make him put more effort into 105 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: you know, your guys' relationship. You can't make him get 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: off of the videos, can make him do anything. All 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: you really can do is what it seems like you 108 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: have done, which is communicate as openly and truthfully as 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: possible how you're feeling to him. And then from there, 110 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, the onus is on him to, uh, you know, 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: make his decision as to how much work he wants 112 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: to put into this thing. You know, but it's hard 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: for your situation. It's hard for your situation. This is 114 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: this is why your relationshipship is so hard, because you 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: can't fuck you can't control other people or make other 116 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: people do things. And I don't know, I don't I 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: don't know how to reckon with that, to be honest 118 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: with you, right. 119 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: I mean I only really got like this like when 120 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: we like started living with each other, like we didn't 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: live with each other. It was like, you know, we 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: weren't together all the time. But then again, I work 123 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: first shift and he works second shifts, so a lot 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: of times, like he can stay up all night to 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: play video again, so I'm asleep, and so yeah, I 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: know there's not really much to do, but I guess 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I try, but I just hope that 128 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: maybe he can grow out of it. Not necessarily video games. 129 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: He could be doing way like worse things than be 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: out being crazy and stuff, and I appreciate that he's not. 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: But it is nice to have like one on one 132 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: attention sometimes. And I don't mean to sound needy or 133 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: like immature about it, but I feel like quality time 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: is important in a relationship, at least when that everyone 135 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: has different love languages though, so there's that too. 136 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're I don't like the idea 137 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: of like. No, I don't think you sound needy or immature. 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: But by the way, even if like be like even 139 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: the concept of neediness, it's like even if you were 140 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: needy by like anybody's uh what a definition of of 141 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: whatever that means. It's like, that's your that's your truth. 142 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: This is you openly examine it. And it's a great 143 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: thing to do. What you're doing as you're looking in saw, 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: you're openly examining what you want from people, right, and 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: it's you're only twenty two years old. 146 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm twenty probably twenty three on the thirtieth almost. 147 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: I mean, so like this is like a good thing 148 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: to be doing what you're doing, which is deciding doing 149 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: doing your like being introspective, figuring out what you want, 150 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: what you need from the people in your life. Right, Yeah, 151 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: you're not You're not like being too needy, and you're 152 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: you're figuring out your needs from the people who decide 153 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: to engage with you romantically, your friendships, even your working relationships. 154 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: You know, you're figuring out what works the best for you. 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: And that's that's a very valuable thing to do. And 156 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: I think that's a great thing to do in light 157 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: over the fact that we can't control what other people do, 158 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: but we can kind of figure out what we want 159 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: from them and communicate it to them. And after that, 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: the onus is on them to do whatever they're going 161 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: to do. 162 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true. Thank you for validating my feelings. 163 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: I guess that if anything, feels nice to know that. 164 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm not like being ridiculous, but yeah, I mean, we 165 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: get married in October, and I don't regret any of 166 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: that because I do love him and we have grown 167 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot together. I met him right out of high school, 168 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: so I feel like we've grown a lot together and 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: I know him, and yeah, there could be worse issues 170 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: for sure, but he just started having weekends off, so 171 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: hopefully maybe that will help, having like two days off 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: back to back together instead of him being off during 173 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: the week or whatever. Because I'm off the weekends as well. 174 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: Well. All I would say to you is this is, Uh, 175 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: you know, clearly you're you're pretty an intro you're pretty 176 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: introspective person. Uh, you know what you want or you're 177 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: at least like putting in the effort to figure it out. Uh, 178 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: keep doing that, don't don't don't be afraid. Don't be 179 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: afraid to uh do some software updates every now and then. 180 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: Check in, you know, think about how you're feeling with shit, 181 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: think about if your standards, you know what they are? 182 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: Are they being mets? You know? So I don't uh, 183 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: don't stop doing that as things progress. 184 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't. Thank you appreciate it for sure. 185 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for calling Tabby good night. How's your life going, toy? 186 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: Is it Victoria or Tory? 187 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no one calls me. There's Victoria? 188 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: Victoria? What are you doing right now? 189 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: Well, I'm like high, sitting in my boyfriend's room. 190 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: How high are you? 191 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 5: I took two bowls earlier, so I'm pretty I. 192 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Is that enough for you? Or are you considering a 193 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: third anytime soon? 194 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 5: Or am I what? I'm sorry? 195 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: Victoria? It says here you grew up thinking that your 196 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: dad was not alive. Well, then you recently found out 197 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: that he is alive and he lives four hours away 198 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: from you. Is this correct? 199 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: Yes? 200 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me, tell me about this. How did 201 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: you what was the what was the original story? 202 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 5: Okay, well, I guess I can sum this up. And basically, 203 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 5: my mom tried to hide that me and my brothers 204 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 5: had different dads, and that she basically she wanted to 205 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 5: keep it a secret since it like made her look bad, 206 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: and that she didn't want to admit like she was Uh, 207 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 5: I guess felt a good mother. Sorry, I'm a little nervous. 208 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: Why did it make her look bad? 209 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 5: Well, because we got uh, me and my two brothers 210 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: were surrendered to CPS, and basically when we got adopted, 211 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 5: she didn't want him to interfere with me or my 212 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: parents live. We basically grew up thinking that the guy 213 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 5: she had married and me and my brother after where 214 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 5: was our actual father when it wasn't. And he had 215 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 5: died of cancer when we were about like six. 216 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: So the story was that your dad died of cancer 217 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: when he was six, or the person that you thought 218 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: was your dad died of cancer when you were six? 219 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah. 220 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: She yes, yes, yes to which one? 221 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 5: That basically she made us believe that he was our 222 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 5: father when he actually wasn't. 223 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: Okay, and that guy is gone. Yeah, your actual father? 224 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 2: M hm. You find out lived four hours away from you. 225 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: Have you gone to see him since you found out? 226 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: How did you answer this question? First? How did you 227 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: find out that he lived four. 228 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 5: Hours I went to go visit my mom nearby. She 229 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 5: was also four hours away. They live in the same city. 230 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 5: I'm from Texas by the way. But when I went 231 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 5: to go visit her, she told me that I'm sorry, 232 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: I can't hear you. 233 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything, Okay. 234 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 5: Well, basically she admitted and confessed everything, even though my 235 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: grandma didn't want her to say anything. 236 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: And have you gone to see your father since finding 237 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: out that he lives four hours away from you? 238 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 5: Yes, Well, actually he came to me. He actually has 239 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 5: his own family and still wanted to try to be 240 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 5: a part of my life, which is actually, yeah, pretty 241 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 5: pretty kind of him, I guess. 242 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: And how do you feel about it him coming back 243 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: to try to be part of your life? 244 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 5: At first, I was surprised, but after a while I 245 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 5: kind of became indifferent because he you know, like I 246 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 5: would go throughout my day and forget that, oh, my 247 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 5: actual birth dad or a dad is alive. So not 248 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 5: that I guess life. 249 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Changing interesting not so you kind of have gotten used 250 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: to the idea of not having a father that when 251 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: one finally came, you were like, it sounds like you're 252 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: in sort of a I could take or leave it position. 253 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: I don't know, Like my life is pretty okay, Like 254 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 5: when I got adopted, I was like about eleven years old, 255 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: you know, I went to college. Still want up with 256 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: the basic ass job, Like it's not it's not terrible, 257 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 5: but it's not great either. But you know, he he 258 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 5: honestly does try try his best. 259 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 6: Uh. 260 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 5: Sometimes he'll message me or I'll message him, but there's 261 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: a there's a language barrier between me and him because 262 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: he only speaks Spanish, so it just makes harder. 263 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he only speaks Spanish. 264 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems like a decent guy though from what 265 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 5: I could tell. 266 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: So does he like doesn't speak a lick of English? Like, well, 267 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: do you speak any Spanish? Do you speak any Spanish? 268 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: Oh? 269 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 5: No, I had uh through actually mostly through his wife. 270 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 5: His wife speaks both. She's bilingual English and Spanish, and 271 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: like I'll call her and then she'll she'll like tell 272 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: tell him, well, like what I'm saying, kind of being 273 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 5: like the translator. But and when we met the first time, 274 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 5: it was like I hob and like he would he 275 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: would talk to his wife and then she would tell 276 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 5: me what he was saying, and that she he actually 277 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 5: said that he had been trying to try to find 278 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 5: me but couldn't because his my mom wouldn't my birth 279 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 5: mom wouldn't let him talk to me or my adopted parents. 280 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: M And how do you feel about the Is your 281 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: birth mother still alive? 282 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Yes? 283 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 5: Are you? 284 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: Is she in your life. 285 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 5: About the same as much as he is. You know, 286 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 5: it's all basically through texts. 287 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 2: Okay, now are you? How do you feel about the 288 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: fact that your birth mother tried to stop him from 289 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: coming to see you? Does that upset you at all? 290 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 5: I don't. I I don't feel like a certain type 291 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 5: of anger. I used to, but not anymore, since you know, 292 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: it's just what it is now. I think that she's 293 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 5: not very apologetic about it, if you know what I mean. 294 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: So, so, are you planning on learning any Spanish to 295 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: talk to your your birth father? You know what? 296 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 5: I have not. I am pretty unmotivated to do that, 297 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 5: But now that you're mentioning it just seems like a 298 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 5: pretty good idea. 299 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, you're in a very interesting position because, I mean, 300 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: let's say you're twenty three, you have a boyfriend, you 301 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: have hobbies, you know, getting high, so you're like a 302 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: whole person already. So you're soor of past the point. 303 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: I mean, you're at the point at twenty three, or 304 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: you are where like even if your birth parents were 305 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: in your life all the time in your life that 306 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: you would have had spent with them is like mostly 307 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: over by the time you're twenty three, because by the 308 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: time you're twenty three, you're usually you know, moved out 309 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: and you know, you don't live with your parents anymore. 310 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, you're kind of kind of 311 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: past a certain point, you know. I mean, you're at 312 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: a point where like even if even if you grew 313 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: up with your parents, it's like you you have to 314 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: sort of make an effort to keep up the relationship 315 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: with them, you know, But it sounds like you're already, uh, 316 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: sort of have a thing going on, right. That's that's 317 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: why I said it. It feels like a take it 318 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: or leave a situation. I don't know if it's ex accurate. 319 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking alongside you. 320 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: No, you know what it's It's also funny that you 321 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 5: mentioned that, because I have a hard time even you know, 322 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: texting and calling my own parents and they live like 323 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 5: forty minutes away from me. You know, I'm trying harder 324 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: to keep up with other people, even though you know, 325 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: when you work a lot and you come home and 326 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 5: you basically just go to bed, I don't. I don't 327 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 5: see my parents a lot. My mom will complain about that, 328 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: but I tell her you could also lose an me, 329 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: you know, like it's a two way street. 330 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: But so you have adopt. So you said you were 331 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: dead when you were eleven, and so you have a 332 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 2: mom and a dad. 333 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 5: M hmm, yes. 334 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: And it's it's funny because it's like, you know, it's 335 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: hard enough to keep up with it as you get older, 336 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: and you know, you got your boyfriend, you got the job, 337 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: you got, you already have a set of parents that 338 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: you got to keep in touch with that's a whole thing. 339 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: And then here comes a new dad. It's like, even 340 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: if you wanted to, it's like you only have so 341 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: much time to give to the people in your life, 342 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, That's what I'm saying. 343 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 5: Like I'm also you know, I'm kind of getting to 344 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 5: the point where I don't want to just hang out 345 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 5: with my boyfriend all the time. Like I want like 346 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 5: actual friends and you know, to do shit with. But 347 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 5: you know, all I do is just work and go home, 348 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 5: you know, get high and go to bed. Like my 349 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: life is so boring. But even even with that, it's 350 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 5: like I don't have that many responsibilities. I guess, you know, 351 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 5: I could try to fit sometime to at least you know, 352 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 5: tell them hi, or you know, like what are they too? 353 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 5: Because he also has like two two older boys and 354 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 5: then two girls one one one of them is about 355 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 5: like six years old. But they're super super like welcome 356 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 5: and kind to me. They they got me a snorlex 357 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 5: uh plushy at like freaking uh fund tracks. It was 358 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: it was really sweet. 359 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: It was good memories in't okay. So you're not just 360 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: having your your it's it's not just your dad that's 361 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: coming back into your life. It's like this whole gang 362 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: of people that's making an entrance dad. And then you're five, 363 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: What do you call that? Because it's not because it's 364 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: not a half sibling and it's not a step sibling. 365 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: What do you what do you refer to those people 366 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: as your brother? What's the title? 367 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 5: Well, they call me, you know, like sister and whatnot, 368 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 5: but like we're really not that close, but I consider 369 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 5: them like my half siblings. And you know, it's funny 370 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 5: because me and my other two brothers we're not even 371 00:22:53,760 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 5: fully blood related. They actually have different dads and they 372 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 5: recently found out about that too, especially my my my 373 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: other brother, he's like twenty and he just found out 374 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: that his dad was actually another person that had passed away. 375 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 5: So I don't know. My mom was kind of kind 376 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 5: of crazy. 377 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: That's a that's a whole slow of dads, A lot 378 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: of dad's, a solid handful of dads. So the the 379 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: I guess, I guess if you're I guess if this 380 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: guy you call him your birth dad, then I guess 381 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: you could call him the birth siblings. The birth siblings 382 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: do they speak? Are they bilingual or are they also 383 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: totally Spanish? No? 384 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: I feel like they probably know both. But I've only 385 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: ever heard him like speak a little bit of Spanish 386 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 5: when I when I've been around them. We've only seen 387 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 5: each other probably like twice. 388 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but when you went to see him for 389 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: the first time, did he bring because he said he 390 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: came to you, did he bring all the siblings with 391 00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: him as well? 392 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 6: M h Yeah. 393 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, we all like try to we try to find 394 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 5: in a booth, but like there's like, you know, like 395 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 5: eight people. It was, it was it was a lot, honestly. 396 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 397 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: I was about to say that sounds like a lot, 398 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: Like could be one thing if it's just your dad, 399 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: but it's like your dad and also five other kids. 400 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's like that's an ambush right there. 401 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 5: It's no, it's it goes crazy. Whenever I first met 402 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 5: his wife, she know, she came off as like like really, hi, 403 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 5: how are you? You know? So it was like nice 404 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 5: that I didn't have to do all the talking. I'm 405 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: not a very social person, so it took a lot 406 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 5: off my shoulders. So basically it was like the moms 407 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 5: talking to each other for like most of it. But 408 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: you know, I was able to, you know, hug, I 409 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 5: guess my birth dad for the first time, so you know, 410 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: that was that's a whole that was a whole nother thing. 411 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: So I mean figured out you finally figured out. 412 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 5: What like I Yeah, I am like way harrier than 413 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 5: like any of my brothers, and I figured out that 414 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 5: that's actually why because my dad is like real Mexican. 415 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: H Okay. So you're coming to epiphanies, you're learning about 416 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 2: yourself and where your your dairy jenes come from. 417 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy. 418 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: Well, uh, Victoria, before we go, I mean, do you 419 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: tell us, uh before we go, you know where your 420 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: head is leaning next? Do you anticipate that you will 421 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: continue to foster your relationship with these these people or 422 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 2: are they kind of you know, as you have all 423 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: this other stuff going on in your life, gonna have 424 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: to take u back seats. 425 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 5: Well, it's not going to be like one of my 426 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 5: main priorities. But I will try to further relationship along 427 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: because he actually sent me some like release funds because 428 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 5: I was close to being like homeless for a little bit. 429 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 5: But I think I will at least try to get 430 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 5: to know them better, maybe learn a little Spanish, a. 431 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: Little Spanish, make a little money. It's a good gig. 432 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wanted to say, I really do enjoy 433 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 5: watching your show, and it's it's nice to see you 434 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: care about other people. 435 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much, Victoria, appreciate you. 436 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 5: Sharon, Okay, I'll see you. 437 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: That was a Victoria. Yeah. It's hard, I feel like 438 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: because when you're twenty three, I was reading this article 439 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: that said something like, by the okay, if you were 440 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: to like sum up all the in person time that 441 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: you spend with your parents over the course of your 442 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: entire life, right that all the in person time that 443 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: you're going to spend with your parents the course of 444 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: your entire life by the time you're Victoria's age by 445 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: time you're twenty three, something like ninety or even ninety 446 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: five percent of that time is already gone. So at 447 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: that point it's like, you know, the way that she 448 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: was describing it, like, I'll, you know, I'll try to 449 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: keep the relationship going when I can. It's like, well, 450 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: that's how it has to be, even with even with 451 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: your birth parents, you know, at that age. So I 452 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: find that to be an interesting predicament. Someone said, GHEK, 453 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: how tall you? Uh, I'm five six. I'm actually five 454 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: So okay, let me just real quick. I'm actually five 455 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: six and a half. I used to tell people that 456 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: I was five seven. I used to round up, and 457 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: now I round down because I feel like it's closer 458 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 2: to the truth. I'm probably closer to like five six 459 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: point four that I am the five six point five. 460 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: So I'll round down because these are the cards that 461 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: I was given. I used to I used to be 462 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: uncomfortable about being short. Used to be uncomfortable about it. 463 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people self conscious. I know, we 464 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: live in a society that values uh, you know, being 465 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: a taller male. Well, I'm telling you, listen, if you're 466 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: a short king out there, I'm telling you you've got 467 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: to embrace it. You gotta embrace your cards. Homeie, you 468 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: were out the hand. Some people didn't even get delt 469 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: the hand. Some people just they were come and then 470 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: that's it. They just lived and died. Is come. But 471 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: you're a whole person. It's an honor to be any 472 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: height at all. Hello there, oh, hello, Hello, how are you. 473 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: I'm I'm doing great. I'm doing great. 474 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: How about you? 475 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: Really? You said that like the first time you said it. 476 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: What happens now is you said I'm feeling great as 477 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: like a gut reaction, and then you double checked. You're like, oh, 478 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 2: I just said that as my gut reaction. Let me 479 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: look at it and make sure it's true. And then 480 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: you looked at it and you're like, you know what, 481 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: I actually am feeling great? 482 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly what happened is exactly what. 483 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: So you're telling the truth right now? You feel great? 484 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: I am. I am telling the truth completely honest. 485 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: Why do you Why do you feel so great? Could 486 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: you peg it to anything or is it just h theory? 487 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: Well, uh, well you know just here talking to you, 488 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, I went to the gym earlier 489 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: that that made me feel good. But Uh, you know, 490 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: just I'm just feeling good, feeling good. 491 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: Well, Uh, is what is your name or what can 492 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: I call you? You don't have to give me a real 493 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: name number. I'm gonna call you five. Yeah. Uh, you 494 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: took you took too long? Answer? You took too long 495 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: to answer five? 496 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 5: Five? 497 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: Uh? Is there anything in particularly you called in to 498 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: talk about today? 499 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Right? 500 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 5: Okay? 501 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: So I I joined a fraternity and and I did 502 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: it because I don't really understand men a lot. They're 503 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: they're they're very they're really confusing to me. But but 504 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: but I'm a man. I was born, uh you know, 505 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: a sign mailed birth, and that's what I am. But 506 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: I just, you know, I've never really understood man. I 507 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: always had a lot of female friends. I was raised 508 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: by a very extremely progressive mother. And now I'm kind 509 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: of at this point where I don't really like and 510 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: so so I joined this fraternity to try to figure 511 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: them out. And it has kind of just ended up 512 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: with me kind of figuring them out and then realizing 513 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: that I still don't really. 514 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 6: Like them. 515 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: And so I'm in this really weird spot where now 516 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: I'm in a fraternity and I'm and I'm a and 517 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: I'm a treasurer. 518 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 5: I'm a I'm a I'm a. 519 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: One of like the head positions, but like I just 520 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: don't really like I still don't really like men, And 521 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: so I've gotten myself into this odd predicament. 522 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 5: M M. 523 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: Why don't you like men? 524 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, they're normally just raised badly. 525 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: But just the way that men don't really like check themselves, 526 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: like what they're saying and like there their impact on 527 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: other people is just so self centered and it's it 528 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: just gets really confusing and and and I don't know 529 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: how like like but like I like, men are really 530 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: warning and they just talk about it all the time, 531 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: and like I don't. It's not something I really feel 532 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: comfortable talking about, but it always comes up when I'm 533 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: whenever I'm like hanging out with like like male friends, 534 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: if I if I do that, yeah, m hmmm. 535 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: So okay, So I okay, So I'm curious. And you know, look, 536 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: we can go into as shallow or as deep of 537 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: detail in this regard as you're comfortable with or willing 538 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: to go. Do you how do you feel about being 539 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: a man? 540 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty comfortable being a dude, you know, I 541 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: I just I just be chilling as a as an 542 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: entity in this world. You know, nothing really else to 543 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: do but exist. 544 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: You know, Okay, and I mean okay, So you joined 545 00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: this fraternity to try to understand men more, and what 546 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: do you what do you what do you feel like 547 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: you learned from this endeavor? 548 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: I've learned that men are really stubborn, and as much 549 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: as they preach about life lessons, they really don't want 550 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: to learn anything mm hm. And they really like being right, 551 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: some weird thing about being right. 552 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: So I start to ask you, so, as as a 553 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: as a man, you know, as you're talking and saying 554 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: all these things about men, are are you including yourself 555 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: in all these things that you're saying? 556 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 557 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: No, absolutely no, okay, so so so I've won, but 558 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: it's so. 559 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: We're saying, so we're saying, so we're saying, so your horny, 560 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: you feel like you're always right, you feel like you're stubborn. 561 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying these things, but you feel like these 562 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: are things about you as well? 563 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I just don't talk about. 564 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: It, okay, okay, up here, okay, okay, interesting, So are 565 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: these things that you don't like about yourself? Do you 566 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: not like you don't like that you're horny, You don't 567 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: like that you're stubborn, you don't like that you feel 568 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 2: like you're always right. 569 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I no exactly, I really 570 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 3: don't like those things about it, And so I and 571 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 3: so I read a lot of like self help books 572 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: and psychology books, and I work on it, you know, 573 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: trying to make myself a better person for others and 574 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: myself and myself of course. 575 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, hmm, interesting hmmm. Now do you have any 576 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: uh I know you said that you have primarily female friends? Uh, 577 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: did you have it? Do you have a father? 578 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: I do? I do. 579 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 3: He's a great man, Love him to death. 580 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's a great guy. 581 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 3: Amazing. 582 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: But how do you how do you reconcile with the 583 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: facts that your father and these are your words. Okay, well, 584 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: I'm about to say this is not biz you. But 585 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: we've established you've established your father extremely horny. How do 586 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: you reconcile with how horny your father is? 587 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: Well? I exist, and so does my sister, and uh, 588 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: you know, I mean to an extent. If it were 589 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: not for that horniness, I suppose I would not exist. 590 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: So Okay, there is a certain thankfulness to be there 591 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 3: for it. But you know there's a time of place. 592 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So so you accept horning us as a 593 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: necessary evil of the universe in which we live? 594 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 3: It truly? 595 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 6: Is it? Really? 596 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: Is? 597 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: Sure? Sure? Now do you? Okay? So we know that 598 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: you have an active disdain towards men. Do how do 599 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: you feel about women? Do you have a active love 600 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: of women? 601 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: I mean, they're people. I mean ideally, I just want 602 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 3: to see everybody as just like a person. It's just 603 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 3: kind of like I really, I think labels are kind 604 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 3: of weird, you know, just the the idea of like 605 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 3: labeling all these weird biological things, like it's all made 606 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: by humans anyways. But like women, men equal in you know, 607 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 3: just by birth, but some of them just s more 608 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 3: than others in personality, you know. 609 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: So I saw if if you, if your goal is 610 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: to do less of putting people in the boxes, do 611 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: less labeling, by the way, fantastic goal. I have that 612 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: same goal. It's a good goal to have. Why do 613 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: you indulge yourself in generalizations of any kind? Because I 614 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 2: I because that would seem as though it's against your 615 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 2: goal of removing removing all of your your labeling. 616 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. But you know, I 617 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 3: I you make a great point. You make a great point. 618 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 3: Some labels are necessary. I suppose you know the state 619 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 3: you're in, the states that's next to you. 620 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. 621 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 3: Uh, you know your name. Lots of labels out there, 622 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: mm hmmmm hmm. 623 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: But labeling your fathers horning is not. We wouldn't say 624 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: that as entirely necessary. Uh, entirely necessary. 625 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: Label it is not necessary. 626 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: No, okay, okay, you know you're on a good You're 627 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: on a good journey. I feel right, I mean this 628 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 2: is uh, this is how we want. I feel like 629 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: this is a good way to want to see the world. 630 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 2: Is that to not label? And I I I think 631 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna a little douchey here. Uh, I'm gonna include 632 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: myself in this. I feel like I'm I myself everyone. 633 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: We label people, we label things because the truth of 634 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 2: what is that every single thing is like infinitely all 635 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 2: things and people are infinitely complex. You know, they're infinitely complex. 636 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: There's infinite backs back and forth, there's infinite points and counterpoints, 637 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 2: there's infinite everything, and uh, it's not tangible. We cannot 638 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: wrap our heads around the complexities of every single individual 639 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: on the planet. Uh, and that's okay, though, it's okay 640 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: to admit that. 641 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 6: It is. 642 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 3: I meant, it's a lot of data points to consider. 643 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: It's a lot of data, but it's too much data. 644 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 2: It's too much to go through. I mean that's why 645 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 2: we label people, right, like every person. Like like when 646 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 2: you'll see some guy on the street, you know, trip 647 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 2: and fall, you can be like, that guy's a fucking idiot. 648 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 2: Why wasn't he watching where he's going? But we can't 649 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: just label this guy off of the five minutes of 650 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 2: his life that we know about. It's like there's a 651 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: whole life, you know, but we can't internalize It's it's 652 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: impossible to internalize that, to add that into our analysis, 653 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 2: and so it's easier to label. And I do this. 654 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: Every single person does it out of convenience and necessity. 655 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 2: So I mean, look good for you for doing your 656 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 2: best to strip yourself of that natural programming. And uh, 657 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 2: you know, I guess be a little bit more conscious. 658 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: Maybe is the word. Maybe that's a douchey word. Who knows, 659 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,959 Speaker 2: we're ducehit it up, it says a free douche stone. 660 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 2: But U five. Is there anything else that you want 661 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: to talk about today? 662 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 3: Oh? No, not really, you know, I just hope that 663 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 3: you have an amazing evening. 664 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate that. I'll I'll try to have an 665 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: amazing evening. 666 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 6: Let me try your best. 667 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: I will thank you for calling five. Absolutely, that call 668 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 2: has awakened us all into something that we need to recognize, 669 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: which is that all of our the fact that we 670 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: exist means that our father. If you're listening to this, 671 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 2: you exist. A A leads to B B. Your father 672 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: at one point was extremely horny. Everyone has to reconcile 673 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 2: with that. You don't have to go into graphic, imaginative 674 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 2: detail about just how horning you're father was, but it 675 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 2: is necessary for you to accept it. If your goal 676 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 2: is to see other people as four dimensionally as possible, 677 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 2: and if you would like to start with the people 678 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 2: closest to you, you got to start by imagining a 679 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 2: very horny version of your father and your mother too. 680 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 2: Your mother was also very horny. And it's a love. 681 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing that your horny sex starved. Uh 682 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 2: what's the word, what's the word lustful? Father? And you're 683 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 2: come slut of a mom found each other like like 684 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 2: pieces of a puzzle, and created you. Thank god, your 685 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: mother and your father were that horning. Look at you. 686 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: You're a beautiful miracle of the universe as a result 687 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 2: of that horniness, and so we must thank the Lord 688 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 2: for making us all horning. Sophie. Hello, Hi, how are you, Sophie? 689 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 6: I'm doing okay, pretty good. 690 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: Uh well, I'm a gecko and we're on the phone, 691 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 2: and that's you know, what do we what do you? 692 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: Where do you think we should go from here? 693 00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 6: How's your day? 694 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 2: Then, Sophie, it says here that your thirty five year 695 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 2: old sister you concerned about her? Why are you concerned 696 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 2: about her? 697 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 6: Okay? So she's always been kind of a dead beat, 698 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 6: like she has kids, doesn't care about them, you know. 699 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 6: And then she got with this guy, okay, and he 700 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 6: is I'm not sure exactly what is wrong with him, 701 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 6: but he does have a history. He robbed the gas station, 702 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 6: was in like possession of mess, you know, all that stuff, 703 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 6: and they just slowly went downhill, like they called. They 704 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 6: thought that my dad was working with the FBI against them. 705 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 6: They think they're being followed all the time, you know, 706 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 6: And when you think, oh, he thinks he's God, is 707 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,959 Speaker 6: like one certain, No, he thinks he's the second Coming. 708 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 2: The second Coming of God. Yes? Is uh like does 709 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 2: she does she think that he's the second Coming of God? 710 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 5: Yes? 711 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 6: And like they've discussed it with my parents. They also 712 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 6: told my parents that they own ten of Google and 713 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 6: like two inundred K and Crypto, but they live in 714 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 6: an RV. 715 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. At what point I almost 716 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 2: you know, when you're telling me this, I'm almost like, 717 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 2: at what point do the people living in their own 718 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,959 Speaker 2: delusions are they? We just have to admit that they're 719 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 2: having like a way better time than we are. You know, 720 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 2: maybe they have it right. I'm just saying, maybe they 721 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 2: have it right. Maybe I was and perception is that again? 722 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 6: Or I just wish that I could like chill and 723 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 6: just believe I was like the second Coming and not 724 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 6: to do anything. 725 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 2: I know, I'm like a little bit jealous of this 726 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 2: guy because I no matter what I do, no matter 727 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 2: what I do, I could say it, I could whatever 728 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 2: manifest it, I could think it every single day, but 729 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 2: I could not check myself into thinking I was God. 730 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 2: I totally wish I could. I would be way happier 731 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 2: if I thought that I was God and that I 732 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 2: had two hundred thousand dollars. 733 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 6: I know, well, just another person. 734 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 2: There's almost really no difference. There's really no difference between 735 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 2: having two hundred thousand dollars and thinking that you have 736 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 2: being one hundred percent convince that you have two hundred 737 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 2: thousand dollars the same. You experience the reality of having 738 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars the same, whether you have it 739 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 2: or whether you're convinced that you do. But I can't 740 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 2: convince myself that because I'm not as creative as this guy. 741 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that like. 742 00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 6: Security of knowing you would have that much money. See. 743 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 6: The problem is though my parents enable them in a way, 744 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 6: like they send them money. They're like they're too much 745 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 6: of saint. They're like, I don't want to see my 746 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 6: daughter on the street, you know. But I'm like, oh, 747 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 6: like you're not. It's not doing anything. 748 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 2: So I was started talking to the previous caller about this. 749 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the exact previous but 750 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 2: I was. I was at one point talking to another 751 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 2: caller about the whole like things that are and are 752 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 2: not in your control. And this is a difficult one 753 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 2: because you are twenty. It says here, your sister's thirty five, 754 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's great that you care about her. I'm 755 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 2: sure that you communicate to her that you care about her. 756 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,439 Speaker 2: But it's hard because it's like, what can you do 757 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 2: really to to to help her with these delusions? Like 758 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 2: you have these these good intentions for this person, but 759 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, she care. She's got 760 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 2: to be the one to pull the trigger on getting 761 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 2: out of this thing. 762 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, she just went back to jail briefly for now, 763 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 6: so I'm hoping that maybe some time away we'll give 764 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,479 Speaker 6: her some thinking time. 765 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm. 766 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 6: She's gonna be back out soon and it's just going 767 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 6: to be the exact same. But also, I don't care 768 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 6: about her that much, really don't like I had. She 769 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 6: didn't spend any time with me as a child. I 770 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 6: didn't even like live with her ever. And all she's 771 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 6: done is be like really awful to me and then 772 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 6: like all this like I'm not even I'm barely I'm 773 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 6: only in communication with her for her children because I 774 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 6: basically raised them at the time. So I'm like, I 775 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 6: just want her to go away. 776 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 2: Well, you care, you cared enough to call in and 777 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 2: talk about it. 778 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 6: Well, I care about my parents, like and the fact 779 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 6: that like they're. 780 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 5: Because they they treat me differently and won't. 781 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 6: Give me like anything because they're like, well we bought 782 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 6: kindle this we're sending out like we don't want you 783 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 6: to be her. 784 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 5: It's like free. 785 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 2: Loading m m m okay, So you take care of 786 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 2: how old are her kids now? 787 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 6: They're twelve and eight. 788 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and you take care of them. 789 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 6: No, Like the their dad finally like or he stepped 790 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 6: up a little bit a little bit ago, and like 791 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 6: that's full basically full custody of them now because she 792 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 6: never went to court so they would get to live 793 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 6: with him now. 794 00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 5: So it's okay. 795 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 6: But like at the time, they were like kind of 796 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 6: floating between them. They lived in my house. 797 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 2: And when you say your house, is it your parents 798 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 2: house or is it your house? 799 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's my parents. 800 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 2: House, and so are your parents helping take care of 801 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 2: them as well? 802 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 6: A little bit at the time, my dad wasn't of 803 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 6: her home, so it was like kind of like me 804 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,959 Speaker 6: and my. 805 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 2: Mom, So it's you your mom, the twelve year old 806 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,479 Speaker 2: and the eight year old. 807 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, my sister I was pretty young back then, but 808 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 6: I did spend like most of the time with just them, 809 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 6: like babysitting. 810 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so you're talking. You said you you 811 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 2: raised them, but like contemporarily right now. 812 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,959 Speaker 6: Oh sorry, I was thinking very dramatic about. 813 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, But so I mean at this 814 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 2: at this point, you're not you're not taking care of 815 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 2: her kids. 816 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 6: No, But it's like it's just such an ongoing problem, 817 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 6: and I'm like, I don't know if I I should 818 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 6: give up on this pursuit to like explain to my parents, 819 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 6: like because I get mad. I'm like, why did you 820 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,439 Speaker 6: bail her out of jail after one day? Like let 821 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 6: her think or something? And then they found like drugs 822 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 6: in their car whatever, and they're like, well, we'll just 823 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 6: throw them away. You don't want to drug charge, and 824 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 6: like they just continue to support them because they're not working. 825 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 6: My parents give them money. So I'm like, why are 826 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,839 Speaker 6: y'all doing this? But I'm like, should I just let 827 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 6: go and let them continue to enable her? 828 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: Or as like. 829 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,200 Speaker 6: I guess there's nothing I could do I can do? 830 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I like, like, I like I've 831 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 2: been saying, it's it's hard, right because there are things 832 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 2: that are in your control. There are things that are 833 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 2: not in your control. Uh, now you are in control 834 00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 2: of I think, uh, what you communicate to your sister, 835 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,320 Speaker 2: to your parents, right? So you know, you can tell 836 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 2: your sister how you feel about her, to care about her. 837 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 2: You're there for her if you are. If that's genuinely 838 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 2: how you feel, I don't know if it is. You 839 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 2: can tell your parents you're doing this wrong for this reason, 840 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, communicate to them your feelings 841 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 2: on why they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. You 842 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 2: can go all out with that because that's that's in 843 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 2: your control. But once you've gone all out with that, 844 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 2: once you've sort of exhausted that communication, you are correct. 845 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 2: I believe that how they choose to treat yourself, sture, 846 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 2: what they choose to do, what your sister chooses to do, 847 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:10,800 Speaker 2: is indeed outside of your control, and therefore is uh 848 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 2: is is not you know, I mean, it seems like 849 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 2: you're expending a lot of mental energy on this that 850 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 2: ultimately will go nowhere because it's not in your control. 851 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 2: Do you, I mean, do you what do you think 852 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 2: about all that? 853 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah? 854 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 6: I agree, this is something some hills you can't die on, 855 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,359 Speaker 6: I guess mm hmmm mm hmm. 856 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have good intentions, you know, do you 857 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 2: do you have a do you have a good relationship 858 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 2: with uh, with these these kids. It seems like it 859 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 2: seems like you care a lot about these kids. 860 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, the like older one became like a little mini 861 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 6: me for a while and it was really cute. Then 862 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 6: the there's a love me a lot. 863 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,840 Speaker 2: That's great. I mean again, that's another thing. That's that's 864 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 2: when we're sort of break So like in this situation 865 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 2: where we're breaking down the various aspects of it that 866 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 2: are in your control. How you choose to foster your 867 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,240 Speaker 2: relationship with these kids, the amount of effort you choose 868 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 2: to put into that relationship. I mean, of course, the 869 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 2: amount effort you choose to put into all these relationships, 870 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: but uh, the amount of efort you choose you choose 871 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 2: to put into these kids forming Obama with them, that's 872 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 2: in your control, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, 873 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 2: if you were to like sort of channel all of 874 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 2: your energy about this situation into the appropriate funnels of it, 875 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 2: you might find a greater sense of agency. Does that 876 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 2: make sense? Did what I say? Just make sense. 877 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 5: I don't know. 878 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,839 Speaker 2: I'm asking myself as well, but I'm pretty sure it did. 879 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 6: No, I understand it's a different mindset. 880 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 2: So if I were you, I would channel all this. 881 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 2: Uh it sounds like frustration. 882 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 6: It is a lot of it. 883 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the frustration comes from the fact that you 884 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 2: can know that you can do because your parents just 885 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 2: gonna do what the fuck they're gonna do. You're just 886 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 2: gonna do what the fuck she's gonna do, and so yeah, 887 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 2: of course you're frustrated from that. But if you channel 888 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 2: that frustration into something that's in your control, such as 889 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 2: how you build your relationship with your niece and nephew, 890 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 2: you might find, like I said, a greater sense of 891 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 2: agency over the situation because you're attacking it at the 892 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 2: at the right points, you know what I'm saying. 893 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting, Okay, I agree, we'll be taking that right. Good. 894 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 2: Good? Is there anything else you want to say before we, 895 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 2: uh disintegrate into dust? 896 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much, And oh my gosh, I've 897 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 6: been so nervous. I've never called in or talked to 898 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 6: anyone you know, like this, But thank you so much. 899 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 6: I had a great time. 900 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for calling Soavey, thank you. I had a 901 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 2: pretty good time as well. I'll say it, not a 902 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 2: bad time being a gecko talking to people on the phone. 903 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 2: Never be goes on the line thanking your phone calls 904 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,360 Speaker 2: every night. Never bek goes too much time. I'm just 905 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 2: teaching you loud life. Bloody is not ready an expert.