WEBVTT - Part Two: G. Gordon Liddy: The Fascist Behind Watergate 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:11.480 Who media, Oh, it's behind the bastards? 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.920 Why why do you hate it? Sobe? It was a 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.919 jealousy say what you will and woke me the fuck up. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.400 Some of us, SOB are broadcasting professionals like g Gordon 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.280 Liddy and thus have mastered the art of using our 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.319 voice like an instrument. You know, I'm like, uh, like 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.159 Rock Mononov, right, but with with my instead of whatever 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.040 Rock Moninov used. Because I don't actually know what that 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.720 guy did. I have my voice and a microphone. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.600 You know, I'm not even gonna dignify that with our response. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:54.840 You know what I'm gonna dignify with the response Andrew, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.560 what strikes still going on? Although I guess it's theoretically 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.120 possible it's over by the time these episodes. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:06.880 Drop, tiny chance it has not. But if if I'm 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.120 a betting man and I very much am, all of 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.039 my money is going on, strikes still going on. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.360 Hey, everybody Robert here. Obviously since we recorded this episode, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.200 the strike has ended more or less as of about 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.640 like a week after we recorded this, So Andrew has 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.280 sent me all of his money. He is now destitute 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.080 and living in utter desperation. He does have a GoFundMe, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.200 which you can donate to, but all of the money 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.520 will go to me per the terms of this bet. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.600 Never make a bet on a podcast, folks, deeply serious stuff. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.960 If the strike is over by the time these episodes drop, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.919 we will just we will just unbleep this plug. Hey everyone, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.120 Robert here, since the strike is over and we can 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.160 plug things again, go watch go watch the Foundation on 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.800 that Apple thing or torrented torrented ideally, you know Apple's 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.880 got enough money. But it's a real good show, a 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.960 lot of lee Pace. Also, speaking of Lee Pace, watch 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.440 Halt and catch Fire, equally good show, which is the 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.360 show I'm most looking forward to once TV comes back. So, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.360 speaking of shows, I'm looking forward to, you know, Andrew. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.120 The last time we had a strike like this, a 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.160 guy named Donald Trump sold a TV show, a reality 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.200 show because those are still allowed, and started his rise 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.000 to power. And I'm kind of planning to do the 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.040 same thing with my reality show, super Soaker Full of Piss. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:34.359 Now. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.120 The premise of the show, for those of you who 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.520 are new listeners, is that I fill the reservoir of 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.359 a classic super Soaker and a CS thirty two hundred 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.240 Yeah yeah, high that's the one with the backpack, if 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.400 you remember the one like the rich kid would have. Yeah, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.040 like it's the big one, and I feel that all 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.840 the way up to the top. And I'm going to 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.480 promise you all here right now, purely my urine, right 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:02.120 not a drop of anyone else's. Then drive around Rodeo Drive. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:06.480 The Robert promise is at at not just bullshit, not 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.320 like you're gonna drink so much that the urine is 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.840 going to be at a concentration that it's not that bad. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.760 This is primo, Like, you know. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.600 Urine, absolutely nothing, nothing but red Bull and Sapporo beer, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.639 you know, the two finest quantities that you can make 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.000 this out. So once I've loaded this sucker up, we're 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.120 gonna go cruising on Rodeo Drive looking for anyone who 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.360 seems famous. That was the initial plan. But then I 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.680 came across a great article about filmmakers who never won 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.840 the Academy Award for Best Directory. Andrew Orson Wells never 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.000 got the acade Kira Kurrasawa never got the Best Director Award, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:52.160 Hitch Surprising Kubrick, Sergio Leone, you know, Spike Lee, Tarantino, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.880 Paul Thomas Anderson, a lot of greats, and that made 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.560 me think if those guys can fail to get the 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.600 Oscar for Best direct, maybe I can can win it. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.240 So now, super Soaker full of Piss I'm planning on 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.680 releasing as a fill, you know, a major motion picture. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.320 The goal here is that I'm going to track down 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.040 Martin Scorsese and just blast him right in the mouth 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.600 with a super soaker full of urine. You know, I 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.359 really think that's that's the key to building myself a 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.320 rep in Hollywood. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.760 Yeah, the bad boys of document true super. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.760 Answering, answering the question we all have. What happens if 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.599 you blast Martin Scorsese in the mouth with with lukewarm urine? 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.720 You know we'll learn Well, I promise you that, I 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.680 promise you that he won't get away from us, folks. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.720 And you're not doing any aftermarket mods on this effort. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.640 No, no, no, no, this is a classic stop cost 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:54.640 me a lot of money. Yeah, so, Andrew, when last 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.360 we left off our hero, the g Man Gordon lyddy 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.279 uh he it had just started in a very serial 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.600 killer like fashion, murdering small animals in order to in 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.520 order to prepare for war so that he could kill 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:16.159 men without thinking this is almost honestly like it's worse 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.000 to be like a serial obviously, to like torture animals 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.560 as a serial killer. But there's something about what he's 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.440 doing that's more unsettling, and I think it's pregnant that 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.040 it proceeds more with it, like someone who's like a 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.200 serial killer, that's like, oh, there's some like something's wrong, right, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.560 something's wrong with that person, you know, like that they 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.320 that they because like people don't like most people love 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:38.080 like a gut. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:38.680 Reaction to that. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.960 Yeah, with Lyddy, what he is doing, this awful thing 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:49.640 he's doing, proceeds directly from a very socially reinforced impulse, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.440 right that, like there's nothing better in our society, there's 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.800 nothing more respected than being a soldier, right, And that's 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.880 that's like why he wants to do this, And so 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.720 I guess that's why I find it like so off putting. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.680 Obviously it's off putting. He's like killing animals in a 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.360 fucked up way. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.680 It's like serial killer shit. But it doesn't seem like 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:14.320 a compulsion. It just seems like he's, like I guess 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:20.400 his version of masculinity required him to do this and 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.839 he is like analytically trying to turn himself into a 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.040 serial killer. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.480 Because that will make him like he imagines, you know, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.919 the military heroes and his family's past and like that 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.360 he's his mom is telling about. He thinks it will 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.800 turn him into one. Right, I guess that's what'st That's 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.280 what's most surprisingly unsettling to me, And this is that 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.159 like this comes out of his belief that these men 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:49.520 he revers already have this capability, right because he's weak 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.000 and broken, he has to kill dozens of chickens, like 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.440 in order to gain this capacity for himself. That he 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.200 thinks that like strong men are born with. That's that's 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:01.400 the thing that's off putting. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.320 Maybe that The other thing that's like upsetting is like 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.440 it's you know, like you know he doesn't, but you 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.360 almost feel like he could put it together, that this 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:17.720 is what's wrong with society, Like, yeah, you know he 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.000 almost could be Like the fact that I feel the 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.560 need to do this means there's something wrong with who 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:28.280 I idolize. Yeah, but no, yeah, like he has all 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.560 the pieces, he has all the pieces of hey, maybe 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.280 I can break this cycle, and yet he's like, no, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.520 I have to force myself to be part of this. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.960 Yeah, like he's he's born a little more gentle than 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.240 the generation before him, and he sees this as such 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.600 a failing that he has to soak himself in blood 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.240 to overcome it and do even more irrational things. Andrew, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.400 let's get back into it. So I'm ready speaking of 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.400 things that scare g Gordon Liddy, thunderstorms and electricity. He 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.960 develops kind of a phobia of electricity, so in order 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.680 to cocker this, he climbs to the top of a 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.960 power line tower and then crawls out on the arm 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.040 so that he can grasp of a wire far enough 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.880 that his like hair will stands on its. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.720 End in reaction to the current. Okay, do you know 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.080 where he is? He's like if like Unbreakable was like 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.000 a comedy, it's about the dumbest motherfucker who happens to 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.560 be invincible and just like doesn't realize it and keeps 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.520 on essentially commits suicide. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.320 Like oh yeah, there's so many little boys with the 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.000 same thing going on who just got fried into a 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.680 crisp atop of power tower. This is actually not enough 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.080 for him. He feels like this is too tame. So 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.960 when he gets home, he strips the insulation from a 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.600 lamp's power cord and then plugs it in and holds 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.199 it electrocuting himself. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:52.400 Again. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.200 This boy, Like, seriously, we're joking, Like this boy did 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.079 need medical help, right, this is like a problem. I 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.600 don't know what you call this. I'm not a diagnostician, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.520 but this is a thing that someone needs like treatment for. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.280 This is a serious issue. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.040 You know what now that because you're but like everything 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.720 that is the antecedent of this, You're like, I see 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.600 it so clearly from like the war generation, and like 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.640 how they I'm just like, you know, maybe he is 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.040 clearly an outlier now that I see in many ways, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.320 he's clearly an outlier, and maybe we were really just 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.840 saved by a full generation of uh, you know, you 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.920 know numerous United States fascists. Yeah, because physics works. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.040 Yeah, yeah, a lot of the other guys. Like the 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.000 reason they didn't quite have the critical mass to take 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.839 over completely is that most of them didn't survive going 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:48.840 through what Liddy did. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:54.040 Yeah, yeah, having fascism brain. Really that's like like landing 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.439 at Normandy level. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.640 So when he was an adolescent, his dad, his little 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.560 league team one season, and Gordon was so obsessed with 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.880 impressing him that when he gets hit with the he 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.839 gets hit with the face in the ball during a game, 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.960 and he stops being able to see out of that 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.400 eye for a while. But instead of like being like 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.720 I have been injured and like he he does he 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.200 pretends nothing has happened and he keeps playing. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:18.640 Now. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.000 What's interesting to me is that in his autobiography he 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.680 does he writes that he recognizes this later as like 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.920 irrational and dangerous, right quote with a convert zeal. I 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.720 became contemptuous of anyone who didn't want to play hurt, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.560 having found that fear can be defeated by head on attack. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.000 It never occurred to me that the reluctance of others 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.760 to play hurt might be based on common sense rather 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.800 than fear. So there is a little bit of like, oh, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.560 you know what, that was actually kind of bad? 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.360 Okay, here's what I really want to know now, And 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.960 I guess this is like almost findable but not. Which 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.520 is what was the author's draft of this passage? I 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.280 would love to know. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.280 I would love to know was this like the editor 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.160 be like, Lyddy, you got to stick something in here, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.280 so people don't think like. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.960 You're like, I don't see in the first draft of 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:11.480 this book. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.440 Now I do I do want that. I want that 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.920 from his papers. Yes, yeah, so there is something like 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.959 impressive about the tenacity and mania with which he pursued 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.080 his goals of what he called self improvement. Uh, you 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.440 will probably not be surprised to learn that g. Gordon 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.800 Lyddy was the weird kid at his school, and like 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.080 all weird kids, he had bullies. As an adult, he 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.320 wrote that he accepted being bullied as a natural and 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.320 normal thing quote, so long as it didn't get out 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.880 of hand. Now, I don't believe he's telling the truth 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.320 here because of what he writes next. I believe that 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.839 being bullied bothered him more than he would ever admit, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.920 which is not there's nothing wrong with that, and it's 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.440 a lot of people like it's bad to get bullied. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.120 It's a thing that can stick with you for a 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.240 long time. But he could not because he's this like 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.120 he becomes this right wing media figure. He can't admit that, like, yeah, 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.480 I got bullied is a kid and that like fuck 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.600 me up. You know, he can't say that, right because 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.480 they they have to be like, no, it's good for 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.040 kids to get smacked around a little bit by the 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.040 other kids, you know, makes them stronger, Right, they need that. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:13.360 Yeah. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.160 Yeah, So he has to because he's cooked up this 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.680 persona with himself. He's got to he has to include 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.960 in his book that he's fine with being victimized to 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.199 what he calls a reasonable level. But the story he 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.959 tells next makes it clear, like the story he tells 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.000 next is not the story of a kid who was 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.719 fine with being a reasonable amount of bullied, and like 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.280 it is the story of a kid who is like 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:42.560 pathologically victimized and snaps. So the thing that provokes him 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.120 into violent revenge, which is the story we're about to tell, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.120 is not targeted bullying, which I find interesting it is 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.720 he describes this as like at my school, there's like 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.920 a hazing tradition. Right when it's a boy's birthday, another 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.520 group of boys will like surround him and punch him 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.120 each well of them will like punch him in the 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.040 bicep right for each year of his age. Right, so 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.000 he get like punched a bunch in the arm, right, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.360 And you get punched a bunch like that, you know 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.920 it hurts. After a while quite badly. They call these 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.840 punches like bunnies. Each is delivered with a protruding knuckle 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.760 under the bicep of the board receiving it. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.880 Oh, this is Filipino martial arts, some limbs instructions. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.840 It's a lot fucked up. Yeah, it's like this is 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.120 like and I know it's a little fucked up. It's 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.440 like a pretty I've heard of stuff like this, you know. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.760 When I was in played football in fucking middle school, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.920 we had like some hazing stuff that's not wildly different 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.120 from this. Definitely an unpleasant thing. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:32.560 To go through. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.480 I think he was really scared of this, but he 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.920 describes it as like a serious danger. It was painful 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.960 and paralyzing, making retaliation impossible. And since he's short, he 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.120 decides that, like, I can't defend myself from this, but 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.440 it's unacceptable, so I have to turn my body into 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:50.040 a trap. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.120 Quote. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.160 I was approached in the locker room. I removed my 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.360 suit coat and feigned unawareness until they grabbed my arms. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.560 Then I ripped my arms up and away. My would 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.280 be tormentors screamed as the flesh of their palms and 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.600 fingers was lacerated. That morning, I had taken lenks of 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.680 adhesive tape and pressed thumb and carpet tax alternatingly into 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.240 the sticky side, so that the sharp points stuck out 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.000 the dry side. The carpet tacks were longer and especially nasty, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.720 but they had narrower heads. The thumb tacks, with their 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.360 broad heads, added stability under lateral stress. That done, I 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.640 wrapped the tape around my arms carefully, so I looked 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.840 like a porcupine with short, very sharp quills. I wore 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.640 an old white shirt I could throw away, and I 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.640 packed her replacement in my school bag. The device worked well, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.400 though there was less blood than I had anticipated. Come on, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.800 I shouted after them, try it again, shocked and in pain. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.560 They would have none of it, backing away from me 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:43.880 with incredulous stairs. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:50.960 Oh my god. Oh, now, like he's like a cartoon hedgehog. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.880 Yeah, he is is like cartoon and it's also like, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.640 I'm not gonna say it's like bullyings obviously bad. What 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.120 he has described here is like hazing, and not like 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.240 extreme sounding hazing. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:04.560 Right. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.240 I do think it is a little bit wild to 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.320 go with, like, yeah, this hazing thing where on your 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.320 birthday you get punched in the arm, you know, once 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.640 for every year. I was like, Okay, not the worst 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720 thing in the world. I am going to respond to 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.720 that by taping pootpins, by turning myself into a head 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.840 shock it really, I guess it's. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.080 Also like the like trap of it. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.000 Yeah, it's so unsettling, yes Na, the amount of like 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.120 labor and forethought. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:33.760 I don't know. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.160 It's just like, if he was a different guy, you 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.640 could view this as kind of cool, especially if and 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.760 maybe maybe this is a cooler story, right, maybe he 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.080 did get bullied a lot as a kid and this 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.000 was like an act of justified revenge. But he doesn't 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.120 tell us that right the way he describes this as 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.280 like I was not really bullied, This was a thing 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.360 that every kid went through, and I responded like a maniac. Again, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.240 he may be leaving out quite a lot here. We 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.960 just don't know because I ever went into other sources 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.120 from his fucking junior high school or whatever. So I 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.720 realized we're like ten pages into g Gordon Liddy and 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.040 not out of his childhood, which has never happened with 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.080 a subject before. I don't think we've ever spent this 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.560 much time on a subject's childhood. But like there was 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.160 so much shit in this autobiography. We are going to 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:18.840 leave quite a lot out, so I'm going to try 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.400 and summarize here some of the last few important facts. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.200 So one of the things g Gordon admits in this 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.560 is that when he was an adult, his dad, Sylvester, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.880 came to him and was like, my dad never hugged me, right, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.080 which is why Sylvester made a serious effort to hug 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.400 Gordon regularly. This is kind of beautiful actually, you know, 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.480 like a guy recognizing, especially a guy who was born 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.800 in the eighteen hundreds, right, probably recognizing like, oh, it 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.720 was bad that my dad. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.600 Didn't have me. You know. Well, it seems like this 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:55.800 family is introspective, right, and like weirdly self aware. This 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.200 is a doing. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.840 Man's reaction to like thinking about his own child and like, oh, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.880 you know what, I wish my dad had hugged me. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.880 That's a thing I'm missing. I am going to make 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.480 an effort to hug my son regularly, right. Yeah, Gordon's 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.760 reaction to it is kind of peculiar. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:12.280 Quote. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.439 It always seemed to me that that was just what 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.800 he was doing, trying to hug me, wanting to but 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.000 not knowing how as if, having never been the object 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.719 of a fatherly embrace himself, he could not pass on 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.440 what he had never received. In fairness to my father, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.120 I stressed that this was a subjective impression. The fact 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.159 of the matter is that he did hug me often, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.439 and it may well have been that my self loathing 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.200 born of contempt for my weakness in the face of fear, 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.119 rendered me unable to recognize genuine fatherly affection and to 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.240 receive it when offered. And that's one of the things 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.520 that makes this guy interesting and kind of unique, because 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.280 I can't imagine any of our modern like right wing 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.439 media guys admitting to that kind of vulnerability, being like, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.920 I don't know if my dad didn't know how to 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.399 hug me because he'd never and hugged or if I 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.560 was unable to accept his love because I hated myself 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.479 so deeply, right, That's that's that's that's actually a pretty 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:13.280 powerful like thing to grapple with, like for a human being. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.040 That's like, yeah, like it makes you emotional reading it, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.640 where you're like, well, that's some real shit. Ge Gordon Letty, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.919 You're you're a dangerous maniac. But that is that is 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.560 a real thing that you've expressed well, but because it is, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.440 it's like all the pieces are there, all the pieces. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.359 For him to be like normal are there? Or like 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.200 good are there? Yes, just like what happened man, m m, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:39.119 yeah it is. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.240 He is like from a diagnostic standpoint, fascinating. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.400 Yeah. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.920 So the last critical moment in his journey to conquering 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.320 fear and pain is what he describes as like a 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.960 potentially divine migrain attack. He claims that like he's scared 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.880 of God, he's scared of pain. And then what he's 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.760 walking around and he suddenly is just overwhelmed by agony. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.400 The way he describes it, it sounds like a migraine, right, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.479 And being the Catholic boy that he is at this period, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.040 he decides, like, I will offer up by suffering to 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.119 souls in purgatory, right, Like, since I'm already overwhelmed with suffering, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.000 I'll offer to take on their suffering if they need 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.639 a break, right, and hopefully they will put in a 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.520 solid for me to God. And he thinks this works 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.199 because the pain is followed by rapturous pleasure and he 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.399 like passes out, waking up later with no discomfort. He 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.200 claims from that day forward, I feared nothing but God, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.000 and there would come even a day when I did 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.280 not fear God either. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:47.000 Oh boy, there has to be a medical explanation for 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.680 what this is, right, what the fuck is? I mean? 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.520 Like there's stuff like grad into rapturous pleasure to no 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:55.840 longer fearing God. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.960 I don't know, Like my best guess is migrain, just 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.320 because I don't know what else it would be. There's 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.880 something called excluding head syndrome. I do think that normally 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.320 number one. It doesn't quite sound like what that is, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.479 and I think that normally occurs like kind of when 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.680 you're on the edge of sleep. But I don't know, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:18.119 it's it's weird. I don't know what it would be. Yeah, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:27.560 but g Gordon Liddy, you know who, Yeah, never experiences 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:40.240 that is our sources. Uh yeah, and yes we're back. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.480 How you do it? Sorry? Yeah, it's just that was 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.480 so wild. What a lot of way to go out 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:47.399 to commercial break? 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.879 Holy shit, what a beautiful way to go out to 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:56.360 commercial break. So we're talking g Gordon the Lidster. As 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.359 he grew into young adulthood, g Gordon Liddy became increasingly 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.280 aware of a flaw in his otherwise perfect mental health. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.280 He had an anger management problem. Now he first noticed 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.160 this while he was out. His uncle Ray, when he's 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.040 a teen, buys him his first real gun. Terrible mistake, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.879 Oh my god. So he goes out hunting with this gun, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.399 and while he's out in the woods, someone shoots over 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.480 his head. Right now, he describes this as close incoming fire. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.240 I am pretty sure he is exaggerating, because that's the 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:28.800