1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Who media, Oh, it's behind the bastards? 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Why why do you hate it? Sobe? It was a 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: jealousy say what you will and woke me the fuck up. 4 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: Some of us, SOB are broadcasting professionals like g Gordon 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Liddy and thus have mastered the art of using our 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 3: voice like an instrument. You know, I'm like, uh, like 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: Rock Mononov, right, but with with my instead of whatever 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: Rock Moninov used. Because I don't actually know what that 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: guy did. I have my voice and a microphone. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even gonna dignify that with our response. 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna dignify with the response Andrew, 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: what strikes still going on? Although I guess it's theoretically 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: possible it's over by the time these episodes. 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Drop, tiny chance it has not. But if if I'm 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: a betting man and I very much am, all of 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: my money is going on, strikes still going on. 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: Hey, everybody Robert here. Obviously since we recorded this episode, 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: the strike has ended more or less as of about 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: like a week after we recorded this, So Andrew has 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: sent me all of his money. He is now destitute 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: and living in utter desperation. He does have a GoFundMe, 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: which you can donate to, but all of the money 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: will go to me per the terms of this bet. 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: Never make a bet on a podcast, folks, deeply serious stuff. 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: If the strike is over by the time these episodes drop, 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 3: we will just we will just unbleep this plug. Hey everyone, 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: Robert here, since the strike is over and we can 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: plug things again, go watch go watch the Foundation on 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: that Apple thing or torrented torrented ideally, you know Apple's 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: got enough money. But it's a real good show, a 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: lot of lee Pace. Also, speaking of Lee Pace, watch 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: Halt and catch Fire, equally good show, which is the 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: show I'm most looking forward to once TV comes back. So, 34 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: speaking of shows, I'm looking forward to, you know, Andrew. 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: The last time we had a strike like this, a 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: guy named Donald Trump sold a TV show, a reality 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: show because those are still allowed, and started his rise 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: to power. And I'm kind of planning to do the 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: same thing with my reality show, super Soaker Full of Piss. 40 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: Now. 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: The premise of the show, for those of you who 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: are new listeners, is that I fill the reservoir of 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: a classic super Soaker and a CS thirty two hundred 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, high that's the one with the backpack, if 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: you remember the one like the rich kid would have. Yeah, 46 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: like it's the big one, and I feel that all 47 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: the way up to the top. And I'm going to 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: promise you all here right now, purely my urine, right 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: not a drop of anyone else's. Then drive around Rodeo Drive. 50 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: The Robert promise is at at not just bullshit, not 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: like you're gonna drink so much that the urine is 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: going to be at a concentration that it's not that bad. 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: This is primo, Like, you know. 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: Urine, absolutely nothing, nothing but red Bull and Sapporo beer, 55 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: you know, the two finest quantities that you can make 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: this out. So once I've loaded this sucker up, we're 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: gonna go cruising on Rodeo Drive looking for anyone who 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: seems famous. That was the initial plan. But then I 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: came across a great article about filmmakers who never won 60 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: the Academy Award for Best Directory. Andrew Orson Wells never 61 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: got the acade Kira Kurrasawa never got the Best Director Award, 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: Hitch Surprising Kubrick, Sergio Leone, you know, Spike Lee, Tarantino, 63 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: Paul Thomas Anderson, a lot of greats, and that made 64 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: me think if those guys can fail to get the 65 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: Oscar for Best direct, maybe I can can win it. 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: So now, super Soaker full of Piss I'm planning on 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: releasing as a fill, you know, a major motion picture. 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: The goal here is that I'm going to track down 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: Martin Scorsese and just blast him right in the mouth 70 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: with a super soaker full of urine. You know, I 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 3: really think that's that's the key to building myself a 72 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: rep in Hollywood. 73 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the bad boys of document true super. 74 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: Answering, answering the question we all have. What happens if 75 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: you blast Martin Scorsese in the mouth with with lukewarm urine? 76 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: You know we'll learn Well, I promise you that, I 77 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: promise you that he won't get away from us, folks. 78 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: And you're not doing any aftermarket mods on this effort. 79 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, this is a classic stop cost 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: me a lot of money. Yeah, so, Andrew, when last 81 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: we left off our hero, the g Man Gordon lyddy 82 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: uh he it had just started in a very serial 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: killer like fashion, murdering small animals in order to in 84 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: order to prepare for war so that he could kill 85 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: men without thinking this is almost honestly like it's worse 86 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: to be like a serial obviously, to like torture animals 87 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: as a serial killer. But there's something about what he's 88 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: doing that's more unsettling, and I think it's pregnant that 89 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: it proceeds more with it, like someone who's like a 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: serial killer, that's like, oh, there's some like something's wrong, right, 91 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: something's wrong with that person, you know, like that they 92 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: that they because like people don't like most people love 93 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: like a gut. 94 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: Reaction to that. 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, with Lyddy, what he is doing, this awful thing 96 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: he's doing, proceeds directly from a very socially reinforced impulse, 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: right that, like there's nothing better in our society, there's 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: nothing more respected than being a soldier, right, And that's 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: that's like why he wants to do this, And so 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: I guess that's why I find it like so off putting. 101 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: Obviously it's off putting. He's like killing animals in a 102 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: fucked up way. 103 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: It's like serial killer shit. But it doesn't seem like 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: a compulsion. It just seems like he's, like I guess 105 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: his version of masculinity required him to do this and 106 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: he is like analytically trying to turn himself into a 107 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: serial killer. 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: Because that will make him like he imagines, you know, 109 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: the military heroes and his family's past and like that 110 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: he's his mom is telling about. He thinks it will 111 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: turn him into one. Right, I guess that's what'st That's 112 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: what's most surprisingly unsettling to me, And this is that 113 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: like this comes out of his belief that these men 114 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: he revers already have this capability, right because he's weak 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: and broken, he has to kill dozens of chickens, like 116 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: in order to gain this capacity for himself. That he 117 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: thinks that like strong men are born with. That's that's 118 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: the thing that's off putting. 119 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Maybe that The other thing that's like upsetting is like 120 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: it's you know, like you know he doesn't, but you 121 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: almost feel like he could put it together, that this 122 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: is what's wrong with society, Like, yeah, you know he 123 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: almost could be Like the fact that I feel the 124 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: need to do this means there's something wrong with who 125 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: I idolize. Yeah, but no, yeah, like he has all 126 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: the pieces, he has all the pieces of hey, maybe 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I can break this cycle, and yet he's like, no, 128 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: I have to force myself to be part of this. 129 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's he's born a little more gentle than 130 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: the generation before him, and he sees this as such 131 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: a failing that he has to soak himself in blood 132 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: to overcome it and do even more irrational things. Andrew, 133 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: let's get back into it. So I'm ready speaking of 134 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: things that scare g Gordon Liddy, thunderstorms and electricity. He 135 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: develops kind of a phobia of electricity, so in order 136 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: to cocker this, he climbs to the top of a 137 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: power line tower and then crawls out on the arm 138 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: so that he can grasp of a wire far enough 139 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: that his like hair will stands on its. 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: End in reaction to the current. Okay, do you know 141 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: where he is? He's like if like Unbreakable was like 142 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: a comedy, it's about the dumbest motherfucker who happens to 143 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: be invincible and just like doesn't realize it and keeps 144 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: on essentially commits suicide. 145 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, there's so many little boys with the 146 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: same thing going on who just got fried into a 147 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: crisp atop of power tower. This is actually not enough 148 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: for him. He feels like this is too tame. So 149 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: when he gets home, he strips the insulation from a 150 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: lamp's power cord and then plugs it in and holds 151 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 3: it electrocuting himself. 152 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: Again. 153 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: This boy, Like, seriously, we're joking, Like this boy did 154 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 3: need medical help, right, this is like a problem. I 155 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: don't know what you call this. I'm not a diagnostician, 156 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: but this is a thing that someone needs like treatment for. 157 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: This is a serious issue. 158 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: You know what now that because you're but like everything 159 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: that is the antecedent of this, You're like, I see 160 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: it so clearly from like the war generation, and like 161 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: how they I'm just like, you know, maybe he is 162 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: clearly an outlier now that I see in many ways, 163 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: he's clearly an outlier, and maybe we were really just 164 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: saved by a full generation of uh, you know, you 165 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: know numerous United States fascists. Yeah, because physics works. 166 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the other guys. Like the 167 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: reason they didn't quite have the critical mass to take 168 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 3: over completely is that most of them didn't survive going 169 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: through what Liddy did. 170 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, having fascism brain. Really that's like like landing 171 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: at Normandy level. 172 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: So when he was an adolescent, his dad, his little 173 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: league team one season, and Gordon was so obsessed with 174 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: impressing him that when he gets hit with the he 175 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 3: gets hit with the face in the ball during a game, 176 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: and he stops being able to see out of that 177 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: eye for a while. But instead of like being like 178 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: I have been injured and like he he does he 179 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: pretends nothing has happened and he keeps playing. 180 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: Now. 181 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is that in his autobiography he 182 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: does he writes that he recognizes this later as like 183 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: irrational and dangerous, right quote with a convert zeal. I 184 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: became contemptuous of anyone who didn't want to play hurt, 185 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: having found that fear can be defeated by head on attack. 186 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: It never occurred to me that the reluctance of others 187 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: to play hurt might be based on common sense rather 188 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: than fear. So there is a little bit of like, oh, 189 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: you know what, that was actually kind of bad? 190 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: Okay, here's what I really want to know now, And 191 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: I guess this is like almost findable but not. Which 192 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: is what was the author's draft of this passage? I 193 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: would love to know. 194 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: I would love to know was this like the editor 195 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: be like, Lyddy, you got to stick something in here, 196 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: so people don't think like. 197 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: You're like, I don't see in the first draft of 198 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: this book. 199 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: Now I do I do want that. I want that 200 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: from his papers. Yes, yeah, so there is something like 201 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: impressive about the tenacity and mania with which he pursued 202 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: his goals of what he called self improvement. Uh, you 203 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: will probably not be surprised to learn that g. Gordon 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: Lyddy was the weird kid at his school, and like 205 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: all weird kids, he had bullies. As an adult, he 206 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: wrote that he accepted being bullied as a natural and 207 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: normal thing quote, so long as it didn't get out 208 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: of hand. Now, I don't believe he's telling the truth 209 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: here because of what he writes next. I believe that 210 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: being bullied bothered him more than he would ever admit, 211 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: which is not there's nothing wrong with that, and it's 212 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: a lot of people like it's bad to get bullied. 213 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: It's a thing that can stick with you for a 214 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: long time. But he could not because he's this like 215 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: he becomes this right wing media figure. He can't admit that, like, yeah, 216 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: I got bullied is a kid and that like fuck 217 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: me up. You know, he can't say that, right because 218 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: they they have to be like, no, it's good for 219 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: kids to get smacked around a little bit by the 220 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: other kids, you know, makes them stronger, Right, they need that. 221 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 222 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, So he has to because he's cooked up this 223 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: persona with himself. He's got to he has to include 224 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: in his book that he's fine with being victimized to 225 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: what he calls a reasonable level. But the story he 226 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 3: tells next makes it clear, like the story he tells 227 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: next is not the story of a kid who was 228 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 3: fine with being a reasonable amount of bullied, and like 229 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: it is the story of a kid who is like 230 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: pathologically victimized and snaps. So the thing that provokes him 231 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: into violent revenge, which is the story we're about to tell, 232 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: is not targeted bullying, which I find interesting it is 233 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: he describes this as like at my school, there's like 234 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: a hazing tradition. Right when it's a boy's birthday, another 235 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: group of boys will like surround him and punch him 236 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: each well of them will like punch him in the 237 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: bicep right for each year of his age. Right, so 238 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: he get like punched a bunch in the arm, right, 239 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: And you get punched a bunch like that, you know 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: it hurts. After a while quite badly. They call these 241 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: punches like bunnies. Each is delivered with a protruding knuckle 242 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: under the bicep of the board receiving it. 243 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: Oh, this is Filipino martial arts, some limbs instructions. 244 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: It's a lot fucked up. Yeah, it's like this is 245 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: like and I know it's a little fucked up. It's 246 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 3: like a pretty I've heard of stuff like this, you know. 247 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: When I was in played football in fucking middle school, 248 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: we had like some hazing stuff that's not wildly different 249 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: from this. Definitely an unpleasant thing. 250 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: To go through. 251 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: I think he was really scared of this, but he 252 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: describes it as like a serious danger. It was painful 253 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: and paralyzing, making retaliation impossible. And since he's short, he 254 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: decides that, like, I can't defend myself from this, but 255 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: it's unacceptable, so I have to turn my body into 256 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: a trap. 257 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: Quote. 258 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: I was approached in the locker room. I removed my 259 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: suit coat and feigned unawareness until they grabbed my arms. 260 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: Then I ripped my arms up and away. My would 261 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: be tormentors screamed as the flesh of their palms and 262 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: fingers was lacerated. That morning, I had taken lenks of 263 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: adhesive tape and pressed thumb and carpet tax alternatingly into 264 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: the sticky side, so that the sharp points stuck out 265 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: the dry side. The carpet tacks were longer and especially nasty, 266 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: but they had narrower heads. The thumb tacks, with their 267 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: broad heads, added stability under lateral stress. That done, I 268 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: wrapped the tape around my arms carefully, so I looked 269 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: like a porcupine with short, very sharp quills. I wore 270 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: an old white shirt I could throw away, and I 271 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: packed her replacement in my school bag. The device worked well, 272 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: though there was less blood than I had anticipated. Come on, 273 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: I shouted after them, try it again, shocked and in pain. 274 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: They would have none of it, backing away from me 275 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: with incredulous stairs. 276 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Oh, now, like he's like a cartoon hedgehog. 277 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is is like cartoon and it's also like, 278 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's like bullyings obviously bad. What 279 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: he has described here is like hazing, and not like 280 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: extreme sounding hazing. 281 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: Right. 282 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: I do think it is a little bit wild to 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: go with, like, yeah, this hazing thing where on your 284 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: birthday you get punched in the arm, you know, once 285 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: for every year. I was like, Okay, not the worst 286 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: thing in the world. I am going to respond to 287 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: that by taping pootpins, by turning myself into a head 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: shock it really, I guess it's. 289 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: Also like the like trap of it. 290 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so unsettling, yes Na, the amount of like 291 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: labor and forethought. 292 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 293 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: It's just like, if he was a different guy, you 294 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: could view this as kind of cool, especially if and 295 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: maybe maybe this is a cooler story, right, maybe he 296 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: did get bullied a lot as a kid and this 297 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: was like an act of justified revenge. But he doesn't 298 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: tell us that right the way he describes this as 299 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: like I was not really bullied, This was a thing 300 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: that every kid went through, and I responded like a maniac. Again, 301 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: he may be leaving out quite a lot here. We 302 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: just don't know because I ever went into other sources 303 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: from his fucking junior high school or whatever. So I 304 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: realized we're like ten pages into g Gordon Liddy and 305 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: not out of his childhood, which has never happened with 306 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: a subject before. I don't think we've ever spent this 307 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: much time on a subject's childhood. But like there was 308 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: so much shit in this autobiography. We are going to 309 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: leave quite a lot out, so I'm going to try 310 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: and summarize here some of the last few important facts. 311 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: So one of the things g Gordon admits in this 312 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: is that when he was an adult, his dad, Sylvester, 313 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: came to him and was like, my dad never hugged me, right, 314 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: which is why Sylvester made a serious effort to hug 315 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: Gordon regularly. This is kind of beautiful actually, you know, 316 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: like a guy recognizing, especially a guy who was born 317 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundreds, right, probably recognizing like, oh, it 318 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: was bad that my dad. 319 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: Didn't have me. You know. Well, it seems like this 320 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: family is introspective, right, and like weirdly self aware. This 321 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: is a doing. 322 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: Man's reaction to like thinking about his own child and like, oh, 323 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: you know what, I wish my dad had hugged me. 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: That's a thing I'm missing. I am going to make 325 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: an effort to hug my son regularly, right. Yeah, Gordon's 326 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: reaction to it is kind of peculiar. 327 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: Quote. 328 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: It always seemed to me that that was just what 329 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: he was doing, trying to hug me, wanting to but 330 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: not knowing how as if, having never been the object 331 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 3: of a fatherly embrace himself, he could not pass on 332 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: what he had never received. In fairness to my father, 333 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: I stressed that this was a subjective impression. The fact 334 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: of the matter is that he did hug me often, 335 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 3: and it may well have been that my self loathing 336 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: born of contempt for my weakness in the face of fear, 337 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: rendered me unable to recognize genuine fatherly affection and to 338 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: receive it when offered. And that's one of the things 339 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: that makes this guy interesting and kind of unique, because 340 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: I can't imagine any of our modern like right wing 341 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 3: media guys admitting to that kind of vulnerability, being like, 342 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if my dad didn't know how to 343 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: hug me because he'd never and hugged or if I 344 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: was unable to accept his love because I hated myself 345 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 3: so deeply, right, That's that's that's that's actually a pretty 346 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: powerful like thing to grapple with, like for a human being. 347 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: That's like, yeah, like it makes you emotional reading it, 348 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: where you're like, well, that's some real shit. Ge Gordon Letty, 349 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: You're you're a dangerous maniac. But that is that is 350 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: a real thing that you've expressed well, but because it is, 351 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: it's like all the pieces are there, all the pieces. 352 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: For him to be like normal are there? Or like 353 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: good are there? Yes, just like what happened man, m m, 354 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 2: yeah it is. 355 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: He is like from a diagnostic standpoint, fascinating. 356 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 357 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: So the last critical moment in his journey to conquering 358 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: fear and pain is what he describes as like a 359 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: potentially divine migrain attack. He claims that like he's scared 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 3: of God, he's scared of pain. And then what he's 361 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: walking around and he suddenly is just overwhelmed by agony. 362 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: The way he describes it, it sounds like a migraine, right, 363 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 3: And being the Catholic boy that he is at this period, 364 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: he decides, like, I will offer up by suffering to 365 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: souls in purgatory, right, Like, since I'm already overwhelmed with suffering, 366 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: I'll offer to take on their suffering if they need 367 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: a break, right, and hopefully they will put in a 368 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: solid for me to God. And he thinks this works 369 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: because the pain is followed by rapturous pleasure and he 370 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: like passes out, waking up later with no discomfort. He 371 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: claims from that day forward, I feared nothing but God, 372 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: and there would come even a day when I did 373 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: not fear God either. 374 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh boy, there has to be a medical explanation for 375 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: what this is, right, what the fuck is? I mean? 376 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: Like there's stuff like grad into rapturous pleasure to no 377 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: longer fearing God. 378 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, Like my best guess is migrain, just 379 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: because I don't know what else it would be. There's 380 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: something called excluding head syndrome. I do think that normally 381 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: number one. It doesn't quite sound like what that is, 382 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 3: and I think that normally occurs like kind of when 383 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: you're on the edge of sleep. But I don't know, 384 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 3: it's it's weird. I don't know what it would be. Yeah, 385 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: but g Gordon Liddy, you know who, Yeah, never experiences 386 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: that is our sources. Uh yeah, and yes we're back. 387 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: How you do it? Sorry? Yeah, it's just that was 388 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: so wild. What a lot of way to go out 389 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: to commercial break? 390 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 3: Holy shit, what a beautiful way to go out to 391 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: commercial break. So we're talking g Gordon the Lidster. As 392 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: he grew into young adulthood, g Gordon Liddy became increasingly 393 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: aware of a flaw in his otherwise perfect mental health. 394 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: He had an anger management problem. Now he first noticed 395 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: this while he was out. His uncle Ray, when he's 396 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: a teen, buys him his first real gun. Terrible mistake, 397 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 3: Oh my god. So he goes out hunting with this gun, 398 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: and while he's out in the woods, someone shoots over 399 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: his head. Right now, he describes this as close incoming fire. 400 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: I am pretty sure he is exaggerating, because that's the 401 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: kind of guy that he is, and this is the 402 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: closest he ever gets to combat. That said, you know, 403 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 3: I can say a lot of the hunters that I know, 404 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: especially out in the west, right this is maybe less common, 405 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: but like a lot of hunters I know have either 406 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: had shots come near them or had people shoot over 407 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: their head. Sometimes it's a thing when you're really out 408 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 3: in the boonies, you like wind up in somebody's spot 409 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: and they may do it to try to scare you off. 410 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: We've also had family and stuff get like shot up again, 411 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: shots over their head, and like Oklahoma, when they cross 412 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: into like a pot farm or something, right like this 413 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: happens out in the back country. So maybe this is 414 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 3: a true story. Maybe someone was actually shooting at him. 415 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 3: Maybe it was some kid who was just firing. But 416 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: he he responds by randomly firing five rounds just in 417 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 3: where he thinks the direction of the shot is, and 418 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: it horrifies him, right because he believed he like, again, 419 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: it's bat you shouldn't shoot blindly in a direction like 420 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: as you don't know who you're at. Right, so he 421 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: he like, this is what concerned. He becomes like frightened, 422 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: that like he has an anger problem, and that like 423 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: it might lead him to doing something terrible someday, and 424 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do anything crazy, you know, So 425 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 3: he has like and he admits to being horrified by this. 426 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: That's a it's if you react in that way, it's 427 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: a bad way to react. It's reasonable to be like, 428 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I can't believe I did that. I 429 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: should really work on myself. I should think about, like 430 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 3: what led me to reacting that way, because I can't 431 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: risk doing this again. So reasonable for him to feel 432 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: this way. He follows that realization with this unhinged line. 433 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: It was no good wishing I had more German and 434 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: fewer Italian genes. I know perfectly well that with a 435 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: powerful enough will, I could be as ice cout as 436 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: any tutan. Now always always with the Nazis. It cannot 437 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 3: help himself. Oh my god, the word ice scout. So 438 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: I see that word in there, and I'm like, I wonder, 439 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: wonder if that's some Nazi shit right now, It's just 440 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: a word. It means ice cold in German, although it's 441 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: often a colloquial term for cold blooded. Right, It literally 442 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: means like something's ice cold, but like you would describe 443 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: a cold blooded person as ice cult. It is, though, 444 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: a pretty Nazi thing to say, because I just typed, 445 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: I just typed ice Colt and Hitler in, and boy howdy, 446 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: immediately speeches start popping up right. Probably the most famous 447 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: use of this term by Hitler was his nineteen thirty 448 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: nine address to the Reichstag on the anniversary of coming 449 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 3: to power quote, as regards National Socialist Germany, it is 450 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: painfully aware of the destiny awaiting it should fascist Italy 451 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: be wrestled to the ground by an international agglomeration of forces. 452 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: Irrespective of pretenses. We know these consequences, and we shall 453 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: cold bloodedly look them straight in the eye. Hitler loved 454 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: to use this term, and he used the phrase like 455 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: cold blooded. He liked to describe, you know, the ideal 456 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: young German man, as cold blooded, as hard as steel, 457 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: as unfeeling, right, because those are the people who commit 458 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: genocide best, you know. 459 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Letdy wound up getting some backblasts from that shit. 460 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 461 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: He grad graduates, graduates high school. World War two, the 462 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: big Dub dub dose is over by this point, so 463 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: tragically he does not get to go fight. He does 464 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: note a preference to having been able to fight the Japanese. 465 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: So he gets admitted to Fordham University, which is a 466 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: very pretty college in New York that was initially at 467 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: least I don't know if it still is, but it 468 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 3: was run by the Jesuits at this point. Right now, 469 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: the Jesuits are like an order within the Catholic Church 470 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: that is, like, you know, they're like the smart guys. 471 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: They do a lot of the teaching, they do a 472 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: lot of the school running, and shit, uh there was 473 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: you know, they've had a long history, some of which 474 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: you know, they had to be kind of like a 475 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: secret society type deal. He finds the Jesuits admirable for 476 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: their intellectual rigor and quality as educators, which is fine. 477 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: He also finds them admirable because they remind him of 478 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: the SSUH. He describes the the shock troops of the 479 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 3: Catholic Church, notes that they were suppressed by the Nazis, 480 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: but also writes Heinrich Himler used it as the model 481 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: for his own core of Uber mentioned the shut Staffel, 482 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: the dread blacked uniformed SS whose hand picked members swore 483 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: a special oath of loyalty to the furor, which is like, 484 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: that's not wrong, but like that's an that's why would 485 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: you bring that up here? That's not relevant, Like, we 486 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: don't need a rant about how cool the sets are when. 487 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: You're talking about your college. 488 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: Unnecessary. G Gordon Liddy, this will be a continuing pattern. 489 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: He cannot bring up the ssn off like constantly, he 490 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: cannot stop. Specifically, it's not just that he brings them up. 491 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: It's that whenever he becomes a like a member or 492 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: associated with a new organization, he compares them positively to 493 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: the SS Like so g Gordon had missed the big 494 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: dub dub dose, but by the time he got into college, 495 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: the Korean War had started up, which is so yay, huzzah, 496 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: there's a war and they're not Germans. 497 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: I get to kill a lot a lot. Yeah, really 498 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: lines up great. Yeah. 499 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: Now I've brought this up on the show before, but 500 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: my grandpa was in that war. He was there basically 501 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: the entire time it was happening and did not seem 502 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: to enjoy it. 503 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: A horrible experience, terrible time. 504 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and basically anyone who went through the Korean War 505 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 3: will tell you fucking nightmare, Like, you don't want it. 506 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: You don't want to be in that war. You don't 507 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: want to be in most wars. 508 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 509 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: Lyddy is desperate to see combat, though, so he joins 510 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: the ROTC at Fordham, which unfortunately, he wants to be 511 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: in the infantry or he wants to be marine or something. 512 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: He wants to do something that will let him kill people. 513 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: But at Fordham their ROTC is an anti aircraft artillery unit, 514 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: so he doesn't like that because you don't get to actually, 515 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: like generally you don't get to kill people close up 516 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: with king anti aircraft artillery, because it's kind of the point. 517 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: So he decides to do this because it'll at least 518 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: like set him up to be an officer. And his 519 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: intent is that I'll transfer to infantry or armor later 520 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: and then I'll get to go have my seering wartime 521 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: experience that makes me into a man. So when it 522 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 3: came time for his formal training and service, Lyddy had 523 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: fallen for a young woman who met most of his 524 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 3: weirdo requirements for a wife but lacked right. He's like, 525 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 3: she's almost perfect, but she lacks mathematical ability. Right, So 526 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: he decides he wants his kids to be good at math. 527 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 3: So he decides not to ask her for her hand 528 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: in marriage because she's bad at math and she's too short. 529 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: He writes that he wanted quote height and heavy bone 530 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: structure so that my children would be physically as well 531 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: as intellectually powerful. 532 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 2: Oh my god, again a hint. She could have just 533 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: become Robert Crumb. Yeah yeah, like he just it's it's 534 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: the tragedy for us and then him in that order. 535 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: Is she's just gotta take a better paths. 536 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: So many times, so many nearly anything he would have 537 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: done would have been better than becoming g Gordon Liddy, 538 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: right if he if he had just become a card shock, 539 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: it would have been a better person. 540 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 541 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: He parts from this mystery woman in the hope that 542 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: he will find someone he describes as a quote tall fair, 543 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: powerfully built Teuton whose mind worked like the latest scientific wonder, 544 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: the electronic computer. I had worked long, hard, pain filled 545 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: years to transform myself to make a reality of my 546 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: genetic potential. Now I believed I had earned the right 547 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: to seek my mate from among the finest genetic material available. 548 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 3: He really was just God's perfect fascist, like God, the 549 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: Good Lord really made it brilliant Nazi with him. 550 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And the answer to all that is, like, 551 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: if you heard him say any of this out loud, 552 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: you'd be like, yeah, man, and then just like kind 553 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: of quietly take your beer to the other side of 554 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: the Yeah. 555 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah sounds good Gordon, then just walk away. 556 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: I gotta go. 557 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: Man. Look, normally I wouldn't say this, but like, I 558 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: don't believe we should have sex police, but in this case, 559 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: it would have been nice if, like, g Gordon Liddy 560 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: says this to you at a bar and you have 561 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: someone you can call to be like, we got to 562 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: make sure this guy doesn't like hook up with anyone ever. 563 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: Don't let this man have love. Yeah he is not allowed. Yeah, 564 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: he like actively should not happen. 565 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's that should have been a social 566 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: priority for all of US, I don't know. One of 567 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: his kids goes on to help stop Trump from stealing 568 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: the elections. So yeah, that's probably why you shouldn't have 569 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: sex police. But that's like, that's like the two sides. 570 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but you know, just because one of 571 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 3: his sons sort of became one of the end Domino's, does. 572 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: It mean does Watergate one of the first? 573 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, by my mathematic count, there's still like eighty percent 574 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: of a Watergate that the Lyddy descendants need to stop. 575 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: So yeah. 576 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: Anyway, he goes to Ford Bliss to train with a 577 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: bunch of other second lieutenants as artillery forward observers. Now, 578 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: an artillery forward observer, your job is to be much closer. 579 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: Artillery obviously is pretty far back from the front line. Yeah, 580 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: that's why it's what it's for the forward observer. Your 581 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: job to be much closer to the fighting, so that 582 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: you can spot and call in targets and stuff to 583 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: the people shooting the big guns. This is obviously a 584 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: dangerous job, very important job if you're doing a war. 585 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: Lyddy though, he has to again he had because this 586 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: is what he almost does. He has to like breathlessly 587 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: hype up the job and the danger. So he tells 588 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: us that, like, life expectancy for the men who do 589 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: this job is just three minutes, which like, no, Gordon, 590 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: there is not any job now in certain specific battles, right, 591 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: you might be able to say, like, you know, the 592 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: life expectancy of a guy doing this one job and 593 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: this very specific battle was this long because most of 594 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: them die. Right, if that happens, you could, I guess 595 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: say that. But that is not a thing that you 596 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 3: can say of this job in general. It is fucking 597 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: there are people who do this for fucking years. Right, 598 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 3: But these kind of claims happen a lot. You'll hear 599 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: that claims about like the same job in Vietnam then 600 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: it has like a twenty minute life expectancy. No, that's 601 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: not it's not actually how war work. 602 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: Well it's also like, yeah, I mean I guess, like, yeah, 603 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: I guess a guy could die real quick. 604 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure it happens, but like no, not generally, 605 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: like absolutely just not a job like if. 606 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: Is just too confus if they. 607 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 3: Die, if they just if you're every three minutes, you're 608 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: just throwing another new college graduate into the meat grinder 609 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: for this. 610 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: How you do basically this o your three minutes is 611 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: you get there, you pick up the notebook from the 612 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: last guy, hand it to the next guy, and immediately die. 613 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: And again there's like some specific battles where you can 614 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: say the average life expectancy for a man, you know, 615 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: manning a flamethrow or whatever in this specific engagement along 616 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: like this two mile shit was this long, right, because 617 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: most of the guys doing this job died. 618 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: That's that kind of. 619 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: Shit has happened in war. That's not what he's talking about. 620 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 3: He's just full of shit. Yeah, being full of shit 621 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: will be a pattern for him. 622 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: Right. 623 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: Again, he does not do anything at all interesting in 624 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: the military. He has a very boring time and service. 625 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: So he has to toss in anecdotes like this and 626 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: other stories of almost seeing danger so that he could 627 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: because he can't like just be like, yeah, I didn't 628 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 3: get to do anything cool, right, he has to like 629 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: lie and make it, make shit up, and so you 630 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: get some very funny stories because it's always super sad, 631 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: like it is depressing the degree to which this guy 632 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: wants to have been I don't know my grandpa right right. So, 633 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: near the end of his training, he and some comrades 634 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: are drinking and they decide this is his claim. They 635 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: decide to have a sit up contest. Right Lyddy insists 636 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: that he wins, but he wakes up in horrible pain 637 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 3: the next day and it becomes clear that he has 638 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: blown up his appendix doing sit ups, and it's maybe 639 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: there's a good chance he's lying about this. Although if 640 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: anyone could do, like, if anyone could robotically do sit 641 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: ups in a friendly com petitions so much that they 642 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: nearly kill themselves, it would be g Gordon Liddy. 643 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 2: Right, right, right, he has a mental capacity to blow 644 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: his own body up. 645 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, the way he describes this, everyone's very impressed by 646 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 3: how good he is. 647 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: And the next day he wakes up in pain. 648 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 3: I kind of suspect, like, you know, some other guys 649 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: are drinking and like Lyddy comes in and he like 650 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: walks up to them and like like. 651 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: Hey, Gordon, Hey, how you doing man? 652 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm so pumped up, can't wait to 653 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: go die in Korea. And they're like, yeah, man, you 654 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: want to do like a sit up contest? You can't 655 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 3: talk during a sit up contest. Why don't you see 656 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 3: we all just did him here's our numbers. 657 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: Don't you see how many you can do? Yeah? 658 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: Ah shit, you I guess you win? Man go yeah, yeah, 659 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: we got to bounce. Hope your indix is fine. So 660 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: he because he's blown his pindix out doing sit ups, 661 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: he gets told his like superiors are like, well, yeah, 662 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 3: you know, we have to go do surgery on you now, 663 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: so you can't finish your training. He was about to do, 664 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: you know this, this like last bit of training that 665 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: would have like cleared him for a coveted close combat assignment, right, 666 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: and so he is furious, Right, He's about to miss 667 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: This was his shot to be a. 668 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: Burass, and he's gonna miss it. 669 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: So after he has his surgery, like his his colleagues 670 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: are doing their their last course, which is like a 671 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: nighttime close combat infiltration course. So Lenny describes, while he's 672 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: still got this open surgical wound, he straps a bunch 673 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 3: of belts around it to protect it shit, and then 674 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: sneaks into the course in order to finish it, which 675 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: is like crawling around in the mud and doing stuff 676 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: you shouldn't do right after. 677 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: This reminds me a lot like of Stephen Miller, like 678 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 2: trying to race against the girls when he was at 679 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 2: Santa Ronica High or whatever. He was like, yeah, yeah, 680 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: better superior to women as enter into the fucking like 681 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: women's four hundred meters or whatever the fuck he did. Yeah, God, 682 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 2: that's funny. God, that's funny. 683 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 3: So his CEOs he like is like, look, guys, I 684 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: did the you know, I finished it. You know, can 685 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 3: I have my like certificate for finishing it? And his 686 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 3: commanding officers are like, dude, you're not supposed to be here, 687 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 3: Like we told you not to do this because you 688 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 3: just had surgery. Like absolutely not. You are not getting 689 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 3: like a certificate for this, And like this is also 690 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: why he doesn't go to Korea, because if you're the 691 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: kind of people whose job it is to like send 692 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 3: people over to do a combat position and you're responsible 693 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, and you see this 694 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 3: guy as like, oh, this dude endangers himself constantly and 695 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 3: is incapable of following orders and is like nearly gotten 696 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 3: himself killed at home in training because he's so responsible. Absolutely, 697 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: we are not putting this man in a combat situation, 698 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 3: Like this is the last guy you went next to 699 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 3: you in a trench. 700 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: He's a fucking maniac. Yeah. 701 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 3: So Lyddy gets back to New York and he serves 702 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 3: in an urban anti aircraft unit stationed in the city. Now, because, 703 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: as you might guess, being in an anti aircraft unit 704 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 3: in New York City is a do nothing job for us, right, 705 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 3: This is like not the job you give a guy 706 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 3: who's like a great warrior. Yeah right, yeah, because like again, 707 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 3: like the idea is that, oh, if the Soviets, you know, attack, 708 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: will need anti aircraft. But the reason why those guns 709 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 3: are there is primarily so that civilians feel protected. Because 710 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 3: even at this point, everyone knows like we have we 711 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 3: have a war with the Soviets. It's just the end 712 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 3: of the world, right, we all just die. 713 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, these guns are not gonna these are not gonna 714 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: be a real factor in that conflict. 715 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: So Lyddy spent the rest of his life ashamed of this, 716 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 3: and in his autobiography he invents several very sad moments 717 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 3: where he has to threaten people with a gun in 718 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: order to feel like a big man. And I don't 719 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: know if I need to say this, but I will 720 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: because it's crucial. All of the men that he invents 721 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 3: to threaten with a gun at this point in the book. 722 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 2: Are black men. 723 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, soldiers, you know. Yeah, but yes, that is 724 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 3: that's worth bringing up about one. 725 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: Of the least surprising things about this so far. Yeah, 726 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 2: perhaps not shocking. Yeah, yeah. 727 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: So the gist of the story is that in nineteen 728 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: fifty four, one of these integrated AA units, which is like, 729 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 3: and by integrated, I mean there were black and white 730 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 3: men serving together, right, which is starting to happen in 731 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 3: this period of time, not kind of, I don't think comprehensively. 732 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 3: It's starting to happen though. One of these newly integrated units, 733 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: the black enlisted soldiers mutanty against their white officers. Lyddy 734 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: and another white officer, a captain are sent into takeover 735 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 3: and he he's going to tell a story from this 736 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 3: that is quite problematic. But you know what's not problematic, Andrew. 737 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: Hit me. 738 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 3: Ads Ads would never make up stories about threatening your 739 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 3: fellow soldiers with guns so that people don't think you're 740 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: less of a man for failing to serve in Korea. 741 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god, God. 742 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 3: Anyway, back to the story. So here's Lyddy telling the 743 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 3: tale of he and this other officer, you know, going 744 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 3: into take over this this unit with primarily black enlisted men. 745 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 3: I told the troops that military courtesy and discipline would 746 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 3: be enforced in partially, and that certain practices that we 747 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 3: understood had been tolerated in the past would not be 748 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: permitted in the future. Specifically, I said that we had 749 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 3: heard that certain individuals had brought liquor on the post, 750 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 3: and others had failed to show up for morning roll 751 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 3: call formation when the weather was cold or wet. There would, 752 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 3: I said, be no privileged characters in the battery. Finally, 753 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 3: I tapped the leather holster under my left shoulder. It 754 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 3: held personally owned caliber thirty eight special Smith and Wesson revolver. 755 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 3: I stared at the assembled men and told them that 756 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 3: the first man to raise a bayonet against me would 757 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 3: be shot on the spot. Now, there's a pretty good 758 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 3: chance this is a lie. Some officers and in CEOs 759 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 3: and combat units did, and I think maybe still do, 760 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 3: get to carry their own side arms. 761 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: Now. 762 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: I should also note side arms are basically not are 763 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: very extremely rare for a handgun to be used in 764 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 3: modern war, and even really in Korea, not all that 765 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 3: common because they're not good weapons. 766 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: Right. 767 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 3: A handgun is a good weapon if you need, if 768 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 3: you're concealing it on your body and you're attacked out 769 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 3: in the world, if you are in a battlefield, you 770 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 3: would you would prefer a rifle, right, Like, That's why, 771 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 3: that's why they exist. So they're not not super common 772 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: for this to happen, and certainly not back home, right 773 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 3: for one thing, A lot of units in situations like 774 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 3: this when you are in a city, when you're like 775 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 3: most of the soul's not going to be issued firearms 776 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: with live ammunition all the time, Yeah right, you are, yeah, 777 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 3: yeah at all, right, you want to be careful about that, right. 778 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 3: And in fact, he talks later about like one of 779 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 3: his soldiers having a weapon that's unloaded, because that's was 780 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 3: the norm. 781 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 2: Right. 782 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 3: So I don't know that I believe he would have 783 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 3: been allowed to carry a loaded thirty eight Special to 784 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 3: threaten men with. Maybe it's not impossible, but it does 785 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 3: seem unlikely based on what I know about, like the 786 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: standards of the time and what was you know, again, 787 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 3: generally when like duty side arms, when like officers were 788 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 3: allowed to carry duty side arms that were not issued 789 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 3: to them, they were like higher ranking too than like 790 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 3: a second lieutenant. This seems like something he would have 791 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: gotten in trouble for, is what I'm saying. Another instance 792 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 3: that Liddy relates during this time is this very large 793 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: black soldier who gets arrested and has to be taken 794 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 3: to a military jail. Now Liddy is ordered to put 795 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 3: together a detail to like put this guy, you know, 796 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 3: transfer him over to the facility. But the guy's very big, 797 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: and the other soldiers scared of him. And then like 798 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 3: one point, when they're trying to take him over here 799 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 3: like picks up an axe and threatens them so Lydia 800 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 3: has to pull his good to threaten this guy, like, 801 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 3: you know, I'll put six bullets in the space of 802 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 3: a dime and you chest, you know, like that kind 803 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: of fucking deal. 804 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: Just so fucking. 805 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 3: Sad, Like absolutely a lie and deeply sad. 806 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all so pathetic. 807 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, based on again, I grew up not just talking 808 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 3: to my my gat and my grandpa, by the way, 809 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 3: was a medic, right, Like that was his job, Like 810 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 3: that was the thing he did. He kind of later 811 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 3: in the war wound up just running field hospitals because 812 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 3: everyone who had been an officer ahead of him, he 813 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 3: was a sergeant when the war started, died Like that 814 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 3: was the shit he did. But like, I read books 815 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: because I wanted to understand what he'd done. I read 816 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 3: books about like the unit that he was with, the 817 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: fifth RCT Regimental Combat Team and stuff, and like, based 818 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 3: on just kind of that general knowledge, I have some 819 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 3: stuff I've looked up and conversations with veterans in the 820 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 3: modern era. Here is how I would characterize Lydie's service. 821 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 3: He was an unreliable and kind of dangerously irresponsible person 822 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 3: who hurt himself pointlessly in training. His officers put him 823 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 3: in a place where they thought he could not do 824 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 3: any harm until his time in the military was up. 825 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 3: He reports in his book that, like he learned later 826 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 3: that one of the officers had said he'd never get 827 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 3: a combat posting, right, which I don't doubt. And because 828 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 3: he was so ashamed of this, he made up a 829 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 3: bunch of stories about threatening men with firearms so that 830 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 3: people reading this book in nineteen eighty would think he'd 831 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 3: been a badass. Yeah, that's really sad, and that is 832 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 3: a profoundly sad experience. Yeah, yeah, you know what he is. 833 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 3: He's basically like. 834 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 2: A cobra commander, just like real sniveling, Like a real 835 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 2: sniveling fast, like. 836 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 3: A sniffling little like a worm, right yeah, little grub 837 00:43:53,480 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 3: of a man. Oh god, it's so it's so bleak 838 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 3: like this, this whole, this desire, this belief that like 839 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 3: the only thing that makes you a man is like 840 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 3: being in combat. And then the fact that he's he's 841 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 3: completely failed in that one ambition, and so he's just 842 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 3: spent his life lying about being tough so that people 843 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 3: would think he had he experienced something close to what 844 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 3: he would he imagines as this like sacred baptism of fire, 845 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 3: which it's it's not right. There's certain things that being 846 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 3: in that situation teaches you, certain ways in which you know, 847 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 3: people who experience that obviously can be hardened in some ways. 848 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 3: It can make them tougher in some ways. It also 849 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 3: often makes people less capable of dealing with the world, 850 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 3: less capable of surviving, right like that is why there's 851 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 3: so many suicides from guys like although a lot of 852 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 3: suicides anyway, complicated issue, But he's he is he has 853 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 3: mythologized this so far past the point of rationality that 854 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 3: it is basically a religion to him, right like combat 855 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: is heaven to g Gordon Liddy, and he's he's permanently 856 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 3: locked out of heaven, right, Yeah, he's just spent his 857 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 3: entire life in limbo. And that's that's gonna be really 858 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 3: the driving impetus behind everything else he does, behind Watergate too, 859 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 3: behind the way he presents himself, the reason why you 860 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 3: you know, the ship he would do like sticking his 861 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 3: hand over a candle until it burnt him to the 862 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 3: fucking bone, Like he did that kind of shit so 863 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 3: that people would not because he was so deeply insecure 864 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 3: about his failure. 865 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 2: To right, He's like, he's like, if Ben Shapiro actually 866 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 2: had a form of courage. 867 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 3: Right right, there is that little bit of it right 868 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 3: where he is willing to damage. 869 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 2: I mean, he's like, like, you know, for all his talk, 870 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro isn't out there starting fights with people. Yeah, 871 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, and you know, at least at least g 872 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 2: Gordon Liddy has, yeah, the courage of putting his body 873 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 2: on the line ship. 874 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 3: Destroy his appendix in a situp contest. 875 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 2: Bursting his guts doing sit ups. Yeah. 876 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 3: So, at age twenty three, he's in this nowhere career 877 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 3: in the army. He's got no idea what to do 878 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 3: with himself. So he decides, you know, to try to 879 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 3: figure out what's next for him. He's going to go 880 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 3: when he's going to get his IQ tested, Right, he's 881 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 3: got to be one of these guys, right. He claims 882 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 3: that he gets measured several times and it's always between 883 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty seven to one hundred and forty two, 884 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 3: which is a. 885 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 2: Near genius ane. 886 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 3: Now we all know IQ's bullshit. That said, given his 887 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 3: he's apparently a pretty competent lawyer for a while, and 888 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 3: given like what IQ measures, maybe he did test well. 889 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't particularly value that, but it's possible. Yeah, 890 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 3: I think it's probably. It's probably really likely he does 891 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 3: well on an IQ test. He's got like he's got 892 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 3: the kind of mind again as a kid, he's able 893 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 3: to like make gunpower are in shit, like when he 894 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 3: puts his mind a shit. I would not be surprised, 895 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,919 Speaker 3: especially if he studied for the acute test. 896 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's got guy who thinks IQ tests matter. 897 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, energy, Yeah, it's possible, doesn't really matter, so but 898 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 3: he does. It doesn't matter that he wants us to 899 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 3: know this, right, that doesn't get another another little piece 900 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 3: of the Lidty puzzle. Now he had always planned to 901 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,879 Speaker 3: be a military man, but at this point has become 902 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 3: clear the military does not want him. So he is lost, 903 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 3: and he decides to take an aptitude test from the 904 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 3: Johnson O'Connor Research Foundations Human Engineering Laboratory. Johnson O'Connor was 905 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 3: the founder of modern aptitude tests, or at least a 906 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,919 Speaker 3: top candidate for that. He's one of the guys who 907 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 3: convinced this as a thing. And the test this company 908 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 3: offers today costs like six hundred bucks and they can 909 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 3: last like three days. I haven't found much intrue info 910 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 3: suggesting they're actually good for anything. You get some people 911 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 3: saying it was helpful, you. 912 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 2: Get I have. 913 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 3: I've run into a lot of modern complaints where they're like, yeah, 914 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 3: he took the test, and then they just they asked 915 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 3: me what I wanted to be and then gave me 916 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 3: like high scho guidance counselor advice on the thing that 917 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 3: I had told them I wanted to be, which I 918 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 3: knew I wanted to be. Anyway, Yeah, I'm not gonna 919 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 3: I don't know enough about this field to like say 920 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 3: this is definitely a con but it does I get 921 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 3: that little like tingling on the back of my neck. 922 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I'm not an aptitude test guy. But 923 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,239 Speaker 3: Lyddy if it is a con. If this was a con, 924 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 3: Lyddy was a willing mark because he's a gullible narcissist 925 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 3: and if he can take a test that tells him 926 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 3: he's amazing, he's gonna spend any amount of money. 927 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 2: Quote. 928 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 3: After three days of testing, I was given an extensive 929 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 3: report telling me such things as that I was cross dominated, 930 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 3: left eye but right handed, possessed the vocabulary of a 931 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 3: vice president of General Motors, and was very intelligent. That 932 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 3: really says a lot about the difference in worlds, because 933 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 3: if someone today was like, you know, I've got the 934 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 3: vocabulary of a VP of General Motors, I'd go the 935 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 3: guys make dogshit cars. I don't know, man, Like, come 936 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 3: back to me when you've got the vocab of a 937 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 3: Toyota VP. 938 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 2: But also any corporate vice president Like yeah, right, Like 939 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 2: it's like that's not impressive. They don't use words much, right, Yeah, 940 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 2: they're like test makers. You're already lying. Just tell them 941 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,439 Speaker 2: an English professor who gives a shit? Yeah, who gives 942 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 2: a shit? Like why do we like? Was that a thing? 943 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,439 Speaker 3: That like vice presidents of companies were seen as being 944 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 3: like great vocabulary haers. Today they're the guys who are 945 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 3: using chat GPT to send their emails because they can't 946 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,760 Speaker 3: fucking write like anyway. 947 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 2: Whatever. 948 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 3: So he gets advised by this test to become a lawyer, 949 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 3: and so he starts law school. He's still like, I 950 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 3: think he's in the reserves at this point. So he 951 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 3: transfers to the JAG Corps and he meets a young 952 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 3: woman during this period, Francis, who was the same height 953 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 3: as him, and he finds this critical to mention even taller, 954 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 3: and heals because he definitely has a kink here quote 955 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 3: from being sensitive about it. I enjoyed having on my 956 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 3: arm a woman six feet tall. When I learned that 957 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 3: Fran's job at IBM was to receive from brainstorming electronic 958 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 3: engineers short written descriptions of theoretically possible new kinds of computers, 959 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 3: for which she would then create a mathematical language, and 960 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 3: that she did calculus problems for recreation the way I 961 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 3: did crossword puzzles. I knew she was the woman I 962 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 3: wanted to bear my children. A Tutan slash celt of 963 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 3: high intelligence, a mathematical mind, physical size, strength, and beauty. 964 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 2: She had it all. Oh my god, what a moon 965 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 2: man way of talking about that. God, Yeah, it really 966 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 2: is like but it's also like so close you know 967 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 2: what you're like potentially pretty admirable. 968 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he I want to hear you feel about this. 969 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 3: So his his his again. So they're kind of long distance. 970 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,320 Speaker 3: He's still doing school, he's still in the military a 971 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 3: little bit. So like there's this period of time where 972 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 3: he's like really insecure that she's going to find someone 973 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 3: else because he's not able to be around all the time. 974 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,760 Speaker 3: So he spins all of his savings on a voice 975 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 3: recorder and he sings a bunch of love songs into it, 976 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 3: and then he leaves it with her, making her promise 977 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 3: to listen to it regularly. Now we got a three 978 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 3: person team here, quorum, you know, do we? Is that sweet? 979 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 3: Is that creepy? Where are we landing on that one? 980 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 2: Because I find it unsettling. 981 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a no for me. Dog. 982 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,360 Speaker 2: That's that's a no. 983 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 3: That's a that's a big n w O, which is 984 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 3: how I spell no no. So, oh God, wild Ship, 985 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 3: I think I think. 986 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 2: That is one of those things where like, if we 987 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 2: liked him, we would find a reason to be like 988 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 2: that's kind of sweet. Yeah maybe, yeah, I mean again, 989 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 2: it's also no. 990 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: We wouldn't. 991 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 2: It's not that kind of show. 992 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 3: When you add it to everything else, like if he 993 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 3: if he if. This was a podcast about people who 994 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 3: went on to become great blues singers, and he was like, so, 995 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 3: I send you a bunch of like songs that I'd 996 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 3: recorded because I knew that would make her, you know, 997 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 3: fall for me. That was my best Like, oh, okay, 998 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 3: you know that's because yeah, that makes sense for the kind. 999 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 2: Of guy you are. 1000 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of that scene from the Barbie movie 1001 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: where all the Kens sing to Barbie and all the 1002 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: Barbies look like they want to run away. 1003 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 3: That's g Gordon letty baby, he can make a Barbie 1004 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 3: run away. Although it works on this lady. So again 1005 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,879 Speaker 3: he clearly so he must have known his target, right, Yeah, 1006 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 3: they get married, they're married fifty four years. Well there's 1007 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 3: not lessons and look, we can make fun of this, 1008 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 3: but it does work apparently. 1009 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 2: For one guy. 1010 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: Don't don't don't don't do this, Yes, don't do this. 1011 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 3: I mean today she'll be creeped out that you found 1012 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 3: like an old school voice recorder, Like would you buy 1013 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 3: how much money you spend on this tape? 1014 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: Breakup after we do this episode and have dms of 1015 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: people doing this, If you do that, I will I 1016 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: will no, man immediately, No. 1017 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 3: We will will launch air strikes. We will send in 1018 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,800 Speaker 3: by two. Yeah, yeah we have. We're part of the 1019 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 3: nuclear triad now here at cool Zone Media like, we'll 1020 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 3: do it. 1021 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. 1022 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,360 Speaker 3: So Lyddy also promises that during this period, the military 1023 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 3: selected him to attend a Clandesta in Activities training course 1024 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,479 Speaker 3: and he was instructed there in quote techniques of surreptitious entry. 1025 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 3: He goes through all He's like, yeah, they brought me 1026 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 3: in to do the secret training. I don't know why, 1027 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,760 Speaker 3: but it taught me how to like break into places 1028 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,720 Speaker 3: and like be an expert on like spying on people. 1029 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,720 Speaker 3: And I did all of this, but I was told 1030 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 3: not to mention i'd done it, and they didn't issue 1031 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,279 Speaker 3: a certificate of completion, so there's no record of me 1032 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,839 Speaker 3: ever going to this class, but it definitely happened, and 1033 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 3: that's how I learned all of my great Watergate skills. 1034 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 3: And it's it's again if like he was a famously, 1035 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,879 Speaker 3: if he was a guy who had like successfully done 1036 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 3: a bunch of like you know, fuck j political shit 1037 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 3: and then gotten caught at the end after like this 1038 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 3: long career of like crazy ask if I'd be like, 1039 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe like there's at least a need 1040 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 3: to explain how you learned all this, But like Watergate, 1041 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 3: as we'll talk about, you just were a dumb ass. 1042 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 3: Like there was a complete cock up, Like at no 1043 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 3: point did you know what you were doing. You should 1044 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,320 Speaker 3: never have been in that position because you were deeply, deeply, 1045 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 3: deeply unqualified to be managing something like this. I don't 1046 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 3: need this explanation as to how you learned this because 1047 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 3: you didn't. 1048 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 2: You don't know anything. I guess it's just writing this book. 1049 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 2: It's just like that's part of my brand. I'm the guy. 1050 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 3: So I got to let people know the Army gave 1051 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 3: me secret training that there's no after after learning I 1052 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 3: was a fuck up, they gave me secret break. 1053 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 2: In the buildings. Training wasn't from comic books, It wasn't 1054 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,839 Speaker 2: from a Dick Tracy, a real good, real juicy Dick Tracy. Right, Yeah, 1055 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 2: I don't believe you at all. 1056 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 3: So once his last school's done and Lyddy's final obligations 1057 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 3: to the army are through, he applies for and joins 1058 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,839 Speaker 3: the FBI, probably with some help from his uncle Ray. Right, 1059 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 3: there's probably some nepotism going on here, right. I don't 1060 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 3: think he gets in on merit. 1061 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 2: Right. 1062 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 3: So, now this is the first part of the narrative 1063 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 3: where we have outside information about Liddy's life, so we 1064 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 3: are not as reliant upon like his fucking autobiography here. 1065 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 3: So we are going to be weighing outside information as 1066 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 3: we go on, pretty heavily against his questionable claims about 1067 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 3: his early professional life. Now, Lyddy's version of events is 1068 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 3: very exciting, right. He stationed as a field India agent 1069 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 3: in Indiana, an organized crime runs Indiana, and the two 1070 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 3: of the guys in his field officer veteran gunfighters. They 1071 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 3: were Wild West sheriffs who the FBI brought in and 1072 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 3: made exceptions for because they needed gunfighting trainers. These guys 1073 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 3: taught me how to be one of the best gunfighters 1074 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:55,760 Speaker 3: in the world. 1075 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 2: Again, g Gordon Liddy never in a gunfight. Oh my god, 1076 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 2: He's like a side character and justified he's just like 1077 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 2: a guy that like runs off a cliff. 1078 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 3: Like self accident doing a draw. He goes into one 1079 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 3: of the things that's funniest to me. So there's a 1080 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 3: term if you're you know, regular listeners will know that 1081 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 3: I like shoot and am you know a firearms collector. 1082 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 3: If you are someone who does this, there's the term 1083 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 3: within the gun community called like fud and it's like 1084 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 3: from Elmer Fudd, and it's a term for like weirdos 1085 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 3: who buy old, obsolete firearms, in some cases ones that 1086 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 3: are not safe, but often that are just like very 1087 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,319 Speaker 3: bad guns to use to defend yourself. And then we'll 1088 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 3: spend hours on the internet insisting that like these are 1089 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 3: the best guns in the world, and they're they're always maniacs. 1090 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,720 Speaker 3: They're always g Gordon LYDTI types, right, and always fans 1091 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,479 Speaker 3: of g Gordon Liddy, I should add. So he goes 1092 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,360 Speaker 3: into these loving descriptions about how they like see is 1093 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 3: thirty eight that he's threatened all those soldiers with and 1094 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 3: are like, no, you got to get the most this 1095 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 3: and showed me the most powerful gun on the planet, 1096 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 3: a three fifty seven magnum and you know, they let 1097 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 3: me carry theirs for a while until my wife bought 1098 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 3: me one for Christmas and it was the best gun 1099 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 3: in the world, the most dangerous weapon ever we created. 1100 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 2: This dude, Calm down, Calm down. 1101 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 3: First off, one of the things that's funny about this 1102 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 3: is like, not in like I think the seventies, there's 1103 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 3: going to be a shooting the FBI is involved in. 1104 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 3: That is a disaster, a famous disaster. And part of 1105 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 3: why is that, like most of the FBI agents are 1106 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 3: all packing fucking revolvers, which are very outdated in the 1107 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 3: fucking modern world in a gunfight. So it's very funny 1108 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 3: to me that he's obsessed with these mighty revolvers and 1109 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 3: they're yeah, anyway, very weird. Weird dude, I think wants 1110 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 3: you to be impressed that these old sheriffs taught him 1111 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 3: how to gunfight. And again, oh, like, no evidence he 1112 00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,479 Speaker 3: was good at any of this. So by this point 1113 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 3: he'd gotten married to a brilliant tall computer programmer. Wife 1114 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 3: is his wife here, and in one passage from his book, 1115 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 3: he drops casually that before they get married, like they've 1116 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 3: been dating, they're kind of engaged, but once he gets 1117 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 3: hired to the FBI, he's like well, you can't just 1118 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 3: marry someone once you're in the FBI, so he illegally 1119 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 3: uses the FBI's file system to check up on her 1120 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,600 Speaker 3: background and her family members before proposing. He also does 1121 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 3: this for their neighbors before he buys a house. I 1122 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 3: don't think this is legal, although he says everyone at 1123 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 3: the FBI does it, and in fact, agents were expected 1124 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 3: to do this to avoid embarrassing the FBI by associating 1125 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,479 Speaker 3: with disreputable people. I actually think he might be telling 1126 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,400 Speaker 3: the truth about that, because this is the ja Agar 1127 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 3: Hoover FBI and that I feel like that is the 1128 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 3: kind of shit they bull So I will give him that. 1129 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just say, yeah, I think this is like 1130 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 2: I've known a couple of people who have had access 1131 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 2: to perform background checks and they do it pretty casually. 1132 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 3: Now we're going to roll to a stop here because 1133 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 3: you've got to go to a baseball game. But I 1134 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 3: want to note that, like it's in this part of 1135 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 3: the book where he's talking about spying on his wife 1136 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 3: with the FBI's file system to see if she's good 1137 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 3: enough to be an FBI man's brook like wife. And 1138 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 3: it's at this point that Liddy gives us yet another 1139 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,200 Speaker 3: baffling reference to Hitler's SS. As Adolf Hitler was referred 1140 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 3: to throughout the Third Reich as simply dear Feurer, so 1141 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 3: j Edgar Hoover was referred to throughout the FBI as 1142 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 3: the director. There were only a few of US six 1143 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 3: thousand out of one hundred and eighty million to stand 1144 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 3: between our country and those who would destroy it. I 1145 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 3: was truly convinced we were an elite corps, America's protective echelon. 1146 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 2: It's shit, Stoffele. 1147 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 3: He's like, we were like America's ass and it doesn't 1148 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,480 Speaker 3: think for a second, is that maybe bad? 1149 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 2: Gordon? 1150 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 3: Is that like, is that maybe a problem with the FBI? 1151 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 3: That Like, you're not wrong when you say I think 1152 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,120 Speaker 3: you were not the only guy in the FBI you 1153 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 3: saw them as America's SS. But like, yeah, is that 1154 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 3: maybe a problem? 1155 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Gordon? Like? And look, should should we interrogate this further? 1156 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 2: All I will just point out is that people today 1157 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 2: who chastise you because Republicans used to be reasonable people 1158 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 2: are talking about people that listen to all of this 1159 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 2: and thought, yes, the. 1160 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 3: Guy again, the man writing this is the dude who 1161 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,040 Speaker 3: came to Richard Milhouse Nixon with a plan to illegally 1162 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,479 Speaker 3: spy on the Democratic Party, and Nixon was like, yeah, 1163 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 3: all right. 1164 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 1165 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 3: Yah, hold him and get this guy on there. It 1166 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 3: didn't quite go that way. We'll talk about that, but 1167 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,560 Speaker 3: like basically, right, like basically I do love. He cannot 1168 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 3: stop making SS references, and they're always positive. They're always 1169 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 3: like we were like the SS isn't that great? 1170 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 2: It's so it's very like hilariously doctor strange love in 1171 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 2: a way that you're. 1172 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,160 Speaker 3: Like, huh, guess this guy is eternal. Guess this kind 1173 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 3: of dude always been around and maybe always will be shit. 1174 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, endless, endless forever. Yeah. 1175 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,840 Speaker 3: That is one of the like unsettling things is trying 1176 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 3: to be like, well, how did he become this way? 1177 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 3: Because again, and you know, we're missing a lot. He 1178 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 3: probably leaves out a lot. Maybe his parents were like 1179 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 3: fucked up in ways that we don't get in this 1180 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 3: back like. 1181 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 2: The crazy thing is even the part he put out 1182 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 2: is insane. 1183 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's just like how how does how what 1184 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:41,560 Speaker 3: is what made you? 1185 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 2: I guess we know America made you? 1186 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 3: Right, Like all of this does make a degree of 1187 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 3: sense when you think about like this, this degree of 1188 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 3: fetishization of the armed forces, this idea like there's something 1189 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 3: religiously sacred about the experience of combat. It makes you 1190 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 3: a better man, you know, all of this kind of 1191 01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 3: like shit, are our weird gun cult worships? Right, all 1192 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 3: of this is g gorgon. So I don't know, I 1193 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 3: don't know why I'm saying I don't get this. He 1194 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 3: makes complete sense, right, I'm an idiot. He's totally makes sense. 1195 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 3: He makes sense. But it's still you're just like it 1196 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,439 Speaker 3: can't be like this really, can it? 1197 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? And the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, for sure. 1198 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 3: I think part of why we're like there is this 1199 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 3: like confusion is he is so honestly the man. Even 1200 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 3: guys who do suck like Crowder and Ben Shapiro, they're 1201 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 3: pretending to be him, right, you know, like when you 1202 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 3: see him smoking a cigar and you can tell they 1203 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,760 Speaker 3: hate it, Like they hold a gun like somebody who's 1204 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,640 Speaker 3: never fired a gun before, and it's like, oh, this 1205 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 3: is like you're putting on Gordon Lyddy. 1206 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 2: He was like he was. 1207 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 3: Like lying and like making himself up into something, but 1208 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 3: like he was legitimately this kind of maniac, right, Yes, Like, 1209 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,880 Speaker 3: I guess there's a degree of honesty. There's a kind 1210 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 3: of honesty in his lies. Even Yeah, modern. 1211 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 2: Don't have like Ben Shapiro is like fake, like holding 1212 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of two by fours from his truck and 1213 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 2: his truck bed. That's never been used ge Gordon Liddy's 1214 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 2: has been used. It's just been incompetently used. Yeah, to 1215 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 2: the point where the people around him were like, actually, gee, 1216 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 2: I got this. I'll know everybody. 1217 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 3: He's also full of shit about like being dangerous and 1218 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 3: being in a hood man, but he's in such a 1219 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 3: way that you know, he spends his nights weeping over 1220 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,919 Speaker 3: the fact that he didn't make it to correct practicing. Yeah, 1221 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 3: really was working at it. He spent you know that 1222 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 3: he did spend thousands of hours drawing that fucking cowboy gun. 1223 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 3: Like to feel like a big man, you know, just 1224 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 3: feel like I could be you know, if it just came, 1225 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 3: you know, the right things happened, I could really be 1226 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,680 Speaker 3: a fucking old West sheriff. 1227 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520 Speaker 2: Well he did it the hard way. Everything he did 1228 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 2: you could tell he really worked. 1229 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he worked at being He didn't just buy 1230 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,560 Speaker 3: the thing. He like worked at being a maniac. He 1231 01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 3: was the thing. Good for you, g Gordon lyddy you 1232 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 3: and yeah, and for us. I don't know what else 1233 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 3: to say about you. So I'm gonna let you go. 1234 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 3: Andrew T you got anything to plug first? 1235 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,560 Speaker 2: Oh? You know podcast? You know, is this racist? We're 1236 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 2: still on strike almost certainly, you never know, I suppose, 1237 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,040 Speaker 2: and so yeah, come come support us. If you found 1238 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,120 Speaker 2: this my side of things enjoyable. 1239 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so find that out. Check that out, support the strike, 1240 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 3: Support super soaker full of piss by, you know, peeing 1241 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,960 Speaker 3: in a super soaker and just mail it somewhere. 1242 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 2: I don't know where. I don't care where. 1243 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, send a pistloaded super soaker. He was stranger. 1244 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just just send it, send it to 1245 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 2: the uh you know, Warner Brothers corporate offices. That's fine, 1246 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:43,920 Speaker 2: it's what it is. 1247 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is what it is. Probably not illegal on 1248 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 3: our part. 1249 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,920 Speaker 2: Well we'll check in with that asterisk. Yeah, check your 1250 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,680 Speaker 2: local laws. 1251 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 1252 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Behind the Bastard's the production of cool Zone Media. For 1253 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,920 Speaker 1: more from cool Zone Media, visit our website fool Zonemedia 1254 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 1255 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts,