Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguar's football. You're running the
Speaker 1: gun broke, He's got Jimmy udown twenty five checkdown when
Speaker 1: it is victory. Monday, December sixteen. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hours presented by Jet Home Loans and now
Speaker 1: guy who's constantly being reminded that he's number one. J P.
Speaker 1: Che not as not as much as Tony was on Sunday.
Speaker 1: You're they're friendly fans in Oakland. They thought very highly
Speaker 1: of me. They kept on telling me you're number one,
Speaker 1: You're number one, and I appreciate it. Thank you, that
Speaker 1: kind of them, very kind. Welcome Jaguars Happy Hour presented
Speaker 1: by Jet Home Loans. My name's j P. Shadrick. His
Speaker 1: name is Tony Baselly. Pete Priscoe is with us down
Speaker 1: in South Florida as well. We've got some things to
Speaker 1: discuss this afternoon, gentlemen. We'll start off, of course, with
Speaker 1: the Jags over the Raiders, twenty six team Minshew magic
Speaker 1: in that game to get him back in it, the
Speaker 1: second half shut out by the defense, social media questions,
Speaker 1: and we'll go around the a f C South and
Speaker 1: the NFL that's all coming up on the show. But
Speaker 1: within the last half hour or so, the nfl p
Speaker 1: A has put out a statement involving the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: saying that the association has won a grievance against the
Speaker 1: Jags involving a former Jaguars player in and offseason rehab
Speaker 1: assignments and the fines that came with those. Well, the
Speaker 1: p A said they had won the grievance today seven
Speaker 1: thousand dollars rescinded, and then had a few statements in
Speaker 1: this thing as well, including you. In the last two years,
Speaker 1: more than of the grievances filed in the league have
Speaker 1: been filed against the Jaguars. You, as players, may want
Speaker 1: to consider this when you have a chance to select
Speaker 1: your next club. That was the final line of the
Speaker 1: statement today by the nfl p A. UM pete, what
Speaker 1: do you make of all this? UM? I would expect
Speaker 1: it would be Tom Coffin making the statement only because
Speaker 1: that would be outside of just the play on the field.
Speaker 1: It's the whole organization and the deal of the players.
Speaker 1: We'll see if there's a statement from him. UM, But overall,
Speaker 1: just not good. I mean, you know, if it's a
Speaker 1: grievance here or there. That's not a big deal, what happens.
Speaker 1: But so like the fact that they lost the grievance
Speaker 1: to the named player, Okay, big deal. The line that
Speaker 1: just shook me, like made you step back and think
Speaker 1: it was of all grievance go against this club. That
Speaker 1: was the number. Um that you're kind of like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's ah, that's not good because there's always the you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about free agents and players, you know, making
Speaker 1: that part of the decision making process. If all things
Speaker 1: were equal, and that comes into it. There's a competitive
Speaker 1: disadvantage there, but it also affects your locker room. Your
Speaker 1: current locker room is affected by that because if guys
Speaker 1: are ticked off at the organization, that makes it a
Speaker 1: harder job for the head coach to keep everyone together
Speaker 1: and on the same page. And so that's another competitive disadvantage.
Speaker 1: Um not good. I mean, none of it's good. To Tony,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this, when when you played, who
Speaker 1: do you think was a team that led the league
Speaker 1: in grievances? Pete, I have no idea, but based on
Speaker 1: how you asked the questions, I mean, my gosh, every
Speaker 1: week there was something else going on with Tom and
Speaker 1: stretching the rules and not reporting injuries and that everything else.
Speaker 1: And so this is not a surprise. He's a very rigid,
Speaker 1: very demanding man, and when it comes to things like this,
Speaker 1: he's gonna hold a hard line stance on it. And
Speaker 1: and this does not surprise me one bit. Seven thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in fines for being missing training sessions and and
Speaker 1: they're exorbitant to me during a voluntary time. That's the
Speaker 1: big thing, at least from the view of the p A.
Speaker 1: And that's exorbitant to me even if it wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just look, there are certain times you go after
Speaker 1: players for your grievance money, and in the grievance there
Speaker 1: are certain times that you just have to let it go.
Speaker 1: And sometimes in the past, and you know this, Tom
Speaker 1: has pushed and pushed and pushed. How many times did
Speaker 1: log him and go to the p A and complain
Speaker 1: about Tom's practices and the way he was doing things
Speaker 1: a ton, So it's not a surprise to me. The
Speaker 1: number that's a surprise at all grievances, that's a big number.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, players talking, especially when you're
Speaker 1: not winning it affects the locker room even greater, makes
Speaker 1: it harder to do everything. And I guess what, and
Speaker 1: I each of these are individual cases, so it's hard
Speaker 1: to like make these blankets statements. But the CBA is
Speaker 1: pretty clear, Pete. And like, I'm not like I was
Speaker 1: never the big union guy, was a part of the union.
Speaker 1: You know, I just gotta go about your business, do
Speaker 1: your job. But the c BA is very clear on
Speaker 1: like what you can ask players to do and what
Speaker 1: they don't have to do at certain times of the
Speaker 1: year and just live by that. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: That's what's been negotiating between the owners and the union,
Speaker 1: and we I don't like listen, I don't even like
Speaker 1: all the rules that, oh, I'm gonna file a grievance,
Speaker 1: file a grievance against Joe. Another surgery on that broken
Speaker 1: down body that hurts. That's the first. It's like the
Speaker 1: first time in the studio anyway. Um, it's not like
Speaker 1: I love all the rules, like the union negotiated to
Speaker 1: protect players like this limited to you know, how many
Speaker 1: times you can have contact during the season, And I
Speaker 1: think it's too short of a period in the offseason
Speaker 1: that you can have guys to work with, especially young players,
Speaker 1: so I don't love them. So I'm not like here
Speaker 1: defending the union. But guess what those are the rules?
Speaker 1: And and here's the thing that you know drives me
Speaker 1: a little bit crazy because as coaches in front office people,
Speaker 1: we want players to follow the rules that we set
Speaker 1: forth for them, and they should. But guess what the
Speaker 1: shoe has to put the shoe on the other foot.
Speaker 1: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, the front offices and the coaches
Speaker 1: have to respect the rules and follow the rules of
Speaker 1: the c b A. And if you're not, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: It should not be that hard. It should not be
Speaker 1: that hard. Well, think about this for a second. Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey was traded in large part because there was a
Speaker 1: rift between him and Tom. And when you go back
Speaker 1: to the origin of that rift, what is it. Well,
Speaker 1: it started that this offseason when he called out him
Speaker 1: and Talvin about not being their though season program, which
Speaker 1: is voluntary, which he you're not supposed to do. Very
Speaker 1: clear in the c b A. You're not supposed to
Speaker 1: make you know, how Tom is when he has a
Speaker 1: voluntary program for a team. He wants everybody there. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if he doesn't matter what. It's a rule,
Speaker 1: because guess what, here's the thing. And I would tell
Speaker 1: Tom this, Like Tom had a rule when I played here,
Speaker 1: you had to win. You couldn't wear white sox in
Speaker 1: the road. I thought it was a dumb rule. I
Speaker 1: thought it was ridiculous. I told him, I thought was
Speaker 1: a dumb rule. Has nothing to do with me blocking anybody.
Speaker 1: Why don't I can't I wear white sox. I like
Speaker 1: white socks. I want to wear white socks. What does
Speaker 1: it matter? Guess what? I didn't wear white sox because
Speaker 1: he was the boss. It's his the team rule. And
Speaker 1: he made a rule, and so I had to follow it,
Speaker 1: whether I liked it or not. I'm sorry if he
Speaker 1: doesn't like the rule. That things aren't my mandatory. He
Speaker 1: still has to fall. We have to follow them as
Speaker 1: an organization and what and don't know the specific but
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that happened because it was said
Speaker 1: in the press conference, But I don't know what the
Speaker 1: nature of these grievances are. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: step too far. But it's just the principle, no different
Speaker 1: than what was expected as me as a player from
Speaker 1: this organization, that the rules set by Tom Coughlin was
Speaker 1: my boss, my head coach, and under the if I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a Jackson Jaguar, I had to follow
Speaker 1: his rules. There was a grievance filed on on the
Speaker 1: behalf of Leonard four Nette. That much. We know when
Speaker 1: when they find him for for that situation on the
Speaker 1: sideline when he was sitting on the bench. And I
Speaker 1: think from what I've heard just rumblings, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think they won that grievance. I think he did.
Speaker 1: He got his money. The B line was rescinded. So
Speaker 1: look the worst line in the entire thing, Tony. Before
Speaker 1: we go to the worst line, I just want to like,
Speaker 1: unless you know every single um grievance and really understand
Speaker 1: every rule the C B A, I don't know either.
Speaker 1: I know the basics, but it's a simple thing, no
Speaker 1: different to me, like if I was talking to players,
Speaker 1: this is easy. Like there's rules like if your rules
Speaker 1: of your team is to be on time and do X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, just be on time, do X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z as long as it doesn't as long as
Speaker 1: it does not violate the c b A. Just do
Speaker 1: it like you don't have to like it. A lot
Speaker 1: of us don't like some of the rules, but just
Speaker 1: do it because that's the way the organization works, and
Speaker 1: that's the way it's gonna make it better for everyone,
Speaker 1: including yourself. The same message should be to the front
Speaker 1: office and the coaches, like, this is the rules, here's
Speaker 1: the c b A. This is what your boss, the
Speaker 1: owners negotiating with the PA. So these are the rules.
Speaker 1: Guess what, it's not that hard. Just follow them. It's
Speaker 1: voluntary until this date. And if they don't hold that
Speaker 1: against them, you can't hold against them. Don't say anything.
Speaker 1: You don't have to like it. That's the world. They're
Speaker 1: not violating any rule, they're not doing anything wrong. It's
Speaker 1: not immoral, there's nothing at all. So just like it's
Speaker 1: just part of the deal. Let me ask this, Let
Speaker 1: me ask this. Why why was this done in such
Speaker 1: a public way today of all days by the p
Speaker 1: a UM. What my guest today was because it just
Speaker 1: came down. It's a huge fine, a huge, huge win
Speaker 1: for the union, huge win for the union, and I
Speaker 1: mean that's it probably just got decided. It's a big win.
Speaker 1: It's a big dog ar amount, and they're probably wanting
Speaker 1: to make a statement saying like enough enough, like all
Speaker 1: these grievances are from one team or the like a
Speaker 1: big number, a big percentage, and so we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot across the bow and say this
Speaker 1: is what we think. It's my guest, it's no different
Speaker 1: than you know what was like two years ago Seattle
Speaker 1: had an extra practice or had contact they weren't supposed to.
Speaker 1: PA came out. PA came out, made a big statement.
Speaker 1: See me doing this, and we're taking away practice. We've
Speaker 1: agreed with the NFL takeaway it happened to the race.
Speaker 1: It's not like abnormal for the PA to come out
Speaker 1: and make a statement. Now this was a strong statement,
Speaker 1: and now we also ab normal to mention the amount
Speaker 1: of the fines, that the amount of the fines was interesting,
Speaker 1: and the last sentence was a was a shot an house.
Speaker 1: I want to consider this when you have your chance
Speaker 1: to select your next club, basically telling free agents on
Speaker 1: the market, beware if you sign with Jacksonville, Oh, it
Speaker 1: was a shot right at this organization and right at
Speaker 1: the front office. What does it mean for Tom at Tom?
Speaker 1: What what does it mean for him. It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was the report on I I didn't
Speaker 1: hear the report on ESPN yesterday, Um, but there was
Speaker 1: a report from Morton's and guys on ESPN talking about
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. I was on the air at the time,
Speaker 1: but somebody sent me, uh something on Twitter saying that
Speaker 1: they thought Tom would go spend more time with his
Speaker 1: family and Maron would be fired, which I told you guys,
Speaker 1: I thought that might happen in the first place. But
Speaker 1: what's that mean for Dame if that happens. Listen, one
Speaker 1: thing I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna speculate basic
Speaker 1: because the rumors are gonna start swirling the next two
Speaker 1: weeks and a lot of it is gonna be This
Speaker 1: is because this is what our business does. Our business,
Speaker 1: the media, and especially this time of year. You start
Speaker 1: here and there's zero accountability to the media in this case,
Speaker 1: they can say we can say whatever we want on Twitter.
Speaker 1: We just make these blanket statements. We take shots in
Speaker 1: the dark. In my opinion, we hear from one source
Speaker 1: that's not uh collaboration. There's nothing, no collaboration, there's no confirmation,
Speaker 1: there's no anything, and we just put stuff out there
Speaker 1: and most of the time, guess what, guys, it comes
Speaker 1: back is not being true. Well, well not not not necessarily,
Speaker 1: that's not true. Some people are wrong, some people right.
Speaker 1: But I'm not reporting they're getting fired. I've never said that.
Speaker 1: But two and two weequals four. If you add it
Speaker 1: all up, it looks like it's going to be a
Speaker 1: house clean listen. I mean, based on the performance this
Speaker 1: year and how those things are going, it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that I do. Right, So, but
Speaker 1: when you start, when we start reporting things, it's very easy.
Speaker 1: We should start reporting things that this compersion has been gone,
Speaker 1: this person's leaving, and I didn't report that. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you. Pete Espn said that Tom It's rumors are
Speaker 1: Tom's gonna retire, spent time his family, and moro own's gone,
Speaker 1: and nothing said about Dave. And your question was what
Speaker 1: does that mean for Dave? I don't know what it
Speaker 1: means for any of them, because I don't know if
Speaker 1: any of that's true. And there's my whole My whole
Speaker 1: problem with this is and nothing against Chris Mortons, and
Speaker 1: I like Chris Mortinson. They all have a job to do.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget half of the media business nowadays his entertainment.
Speaker 1: And so we're throwing a bunch of stuff out there
Speaker 1: to keep people informed, to keep people clicking on websites.
Speaker 1: But there's no accountability. There's no accountability. If they don't
Speaker 1: get fired, then you can come back and say more
Speaker 1: it was wrong. No, but no one, but no one
Speaker 1: does bete It just we move on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: Things happened so much, and we say so many different things,
Speaker 1: and listen more and more somebody knows people in that organization,
Speaker 1: well more, it's time and MORET is close to Tom, right.
Speaker 1: So if if he's saying that Tom is going to
Speaker 1: retire and spend more time with his family, which we
Speaker 1: mentioned many a time on this show many a time,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not a possibility, and I'm not
Speaker 1: taking any I love Chris Mortons and I think he
Speaker 1: does a great job. I'm just saying I'm not and
Speaker 1: I'm okay with you doing it Pete on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's bad. I just don't like speculating
Speaker 1: and start making these comments because I don't know, now
Speaker 1: do I would I be sure, I'll say this. Would
Speaker 1: I be shocked if there's not changes based on what
Speaker 1: has happened this year, Yes, I'd be surprised, but I
Speaker 1: don't know what they are. Would it be? Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Tony. It's better for Tom in his
Speaker 1: persona in Jacksonville to retire and walk away than it
Speaker 1: is for him to get fired long term? Yes, I
Speaker 1: think right now, I think it would be viewed the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably so, right now it would be viewed the same
Speaker 1: as people Basically saying he was asked to retire is
Speaker 1: what people would assume. Just basically it's been it's not
Speaker 1: good right now. A lot of reports coming out the
Speaker 1: stuff happened this weekend, the p A, you know, the
Speaker 1: jail and stuff. I mean, there's been stuff for the
Speaker 1: last six weeks swirling around of negativity and a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation. And so I think, regardless of what happens,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is, whether he resigns
Speaker 1: or is asked to leave or anything in between, it's
Speaker 1: going to be viewed as it was time to make
Speaker 1: a change. Let's be honest. Though a lot of it
Speaker 1: is self inflicted wounds here, a lot of it is yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's always time in this league. It is self inflicted.
Speaker 1: Teams beat themselves, Teams make decisions that affect themselves. Not
Speaker 1: no one's doing it to us. By the way, Mark
Speaker 1: Long reported that it was Dante Fowler that was the
Speaker 1: unnamed player, and then within the last few minutes, Dante
Speaker 1: Fowler said on Twitter, quote they literally hated me. I
Speaker 1: got it all back though, thanks to the NFL p
Speaker 1: a end quote. Yeah, I knew it was Dante, but
Speaker 1: I was gonna say until it was out there. The story,
Speaker 1: well the story, but the statement not have a name. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's come back. Let's talk about football when we actually
Speaker 1: will come back at winning football. We just talked about football,
Speaker 1: winning football, talking about the game. The Jags won a
Speaker 1: football game, Yes, they won twenty sixteen. We'll recap that.
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Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, Pete Priscoe. This is a victory Monday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe it or not. And I like to make
Speaker 1: an announcement really yeah, I mean I want to be
Speaker 1: humble about this. Everybody listened close. I would like to
Speaker 1: be humble, but really a big part of this victory
Speaker 1: was I kind of changed the the flow and kind
Speaker 1: of the momentum because of I started reading cards on
Speaker 1: the broadcast, and that energy on the broadcast translated to
Speaker 1: energy on the field, and we got a football game.
Speaker 1: Is that how it worked? We won a football game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I got people all over the country saying
Speaker 1: that was amazing. Maybe it was really amazing everywhere. It's
Speaker 1: funny how that works. I mean players they heard about it, Like,
Speaker 1: what happened is I started in the first half. Did
Speaker 1: you do it in Denver too? I don't remember. No,
Speaker 1: Well I needed to. I need to break the strength detail.
Speaker 1: And so what happened was I did in the first
Speaker 1: half and word started swirling around, got to the sidelines,
Speaker 1: rolling around like the smoke in the very very similar
Speaker 1: to yes, wait a second, he read cards. I mean,
Speaker 1: you read like the commercial commis. And if that got
Speaker 1: back to the team, they would have started fumbling, just
Speaker 1: like I got back to it got back to the team,
Speaker 1: And that's why thee can have run. Happened because they said,
Speaker 1: if he is going to go to bat for us
Speaker 1: like that and bring that kind of passion to the broadcast.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring it to the field. That was the difference.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want. I mean, that's what people
Speaker 1: are telling me at least insurance Office of Pete. The
Speaker 1: weed was out of control, like to the point where
Speaker 1: you know Oakly, you've been Oakland, you've been the press box,
Speaker 1: and so we're up, you know, fift from the stands
Speaker 1: below us, and the windows are open and you'd be
Speaker 1: sitting there and this just waff of smoke in uh
Speaker 1: stinky weed odor would come into the booth and by
Speaker 1: the end, I mean, it's like, I hope I don't
Speaker 1: get drug tested this week, because it's we're all we're
Speaker 1: all failing and you look over and you look over
Speaker 1: and they're just passing joints like it's like at the beach.
Speaker 1: I guess the best question, though, is how did you
Speaker 1: know that's what the smell was? Yeah, Joe told me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a Santoni over here. It could have been barbecue
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, they were barbecuing something, but
Speaker 1: it was not. It wasn't holy it was it was
Speaker 1: I think it was. Chris Conley said you could smell
Speaker 1: it on on the field right, And I remember that
Speaker 1: even back in like it was worst sideline. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was a special I've been what happened after the game.
Speaker 1: There was like a little mini riot after the game.
Speaker 1: It wasn't I mean, there's a handful of guys that
Speaker 1: jumped on the field. They all got hand just just
Speaker 1: just completely demolished by the police. Um. There were some
Speaker 1: fights in the stands, and then there was debris coming
Speaker 1: in from there everywhere, hit some people. Then they were
Speaker 1: on the dugout ripping the Oakland Raider banners. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just gass. And then then I might have
Speaker 1: I might have started yelling at some of the fans
Speaker 1: below us, and then they had and then then I
Speaker 1: walked out in the Joe handled them. And apparently they
Speaker 1: closed the field after that and didn't let any of
Speaker 1: the media people back out to do their on field
Speaker 1: hits or anything. It was none of that. It was
Speaker 1: stuck flying water balls flying from the top deck. The
Speaker 1: best was so I leaned over and these people are
Speaker 1: yelling at us, you know, cut and I sat there
Speaker 1: for a moment. I'm like, I can just sit here
Speaker 1: and just walk away, or I can engage. I decided
Speaker 1: to engage. How did that? Don't do that? It was great,
Speaker 1: it was perfect. That is a dump by the way
Speaker 1: up dump dump. Because I well, I didn't run away.
Speaker 1: I just I got tired of dealing with them and
Speaker 1: then I had to hang out the window and get
Speaker 1: the antennas were they were they waiting to get hit
Speaker 1: with the bottom Say that you scared him? I scared.
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, you want some, come get some?
Speaker 1: You know, did you did you guys stay in Oakland? No,
Speaker 1: we stayed. We stayed at a beautiful hotel four seasons.
Speaker 1: I believe it was great out in paulo Ato. Okay, right, Joe,
Speaker 1: is that where we were correct? That's correct. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: It was nice, too, wasn't it nice? You weren't even there.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. But back in the day, Tony, back
Speaker 1: in the day, you guys stayed in downtown Oakland because
Speaker 1: we stayed at that hotel. I remember that. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'll say this. The ride was a
Speaker 1: little bit long, and we hit traffic because they were
Speaker 1: tailgating early. I mean we left the hotel at eight thirty. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, forty five minute ride. And we were hitting.
Speaker 1: We's got stuck in traffic. It was in the place
Speaker 1: was packed. Cops had to stop cars let us in
Speaker 1: as bad as free. The best. You'll love this spied
Speaker 1: So for Angie, who's still out on vacation. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he actually does a radio show anymore and doesn't
Speaker 1: work very much. Right, Yeah, he's on vacations. His wife's
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday or whatever it is. She looks like she's thirty. Um.
Speaker 1: And so he went out early to San Francisco and
Speaker 1: was gonna stay late. So he didn't fly with us.
Speaker 1: He didn't stay at the team He stayed in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and he was gonna meet us at the stadium the
Speaker 1: day of the game, which was a mistake. He should
Speaker 1: have ubered to our hotel, came to the team bus.
Speaker 1: He didn't stay in the Cocoon is as long as
Speaker 1: he stay in Coco. So he's got he's got a
Speaker 1: parking pass wherever he has. He's gonna drive his rental
Speaker 1: car to the stadium and then meet us in the
Speaker 1: booth well two and a half miles out from the stadium.
Speaker 1: He blows a tire on his rental car. So he
Speaker 1: has to pull on this gas station called the rental car, says,
Speaker 1: lest you gotta come pick this up. He has no
Speaker 1: way to get this dame now. So he walks two
Speaker 1: and a half miles through the Sea of Humanity with
Speaker 1: his Jaguar logold through scenic Oakland and he's like he said,
Speaker 1: he says, I might die. He was afraid for his life.
Speaker 1: But he said credit to that. And this was they
Speaker 1: were obviously still sober. Uh, they were all in the
Speaker 1: right mind still. And he said the Oakland fans were
Speaker 1: great going in and uh, he should have covered his
Speaker 1: logo up. I mean, that's a smart thing to do.
Speaker 1: I would have I would have bought a Raider's t shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're smarter than that, Maybe not all of you, Pete J. P. Tony.
Speaker 1: With two and a half hours to game time, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you just change the tire? Well, yes we would. Frank's
Speaker 1: not get his hands his hands dirty. Come on, kind Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would take you twenty minutes. It would take you
Speaker 1: less time to change the time. Then it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: walk the two and a half miles. But let's come back.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the game. When we come back,
Speaker 1: the actual game come back and Gardner minshew the touchdowns,
Speaker 1: the defense, the whole deal. We do that. Let's do
Speaker 1: that when we come back. It was a horrible first half,
Speaker 1: that's being kind, but a really really nice ending for
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Speaker 1: that every time? Every time. I'm telling you, boy, hey,
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Speaker 1: that's off to you all. Hey, Jacks on three, Jacks
Speaker 1: on me? What three? Oh yeah, that's aw. The celebration
Speaker 1: after the Jacks win in Oakland yesterday looking back Jaguars
Speaker 1: happy Hour persented by Jeth Homelos like you want to
Speaker 1: run through brick law. Good for them, that's great. Happy listen.
Speaker 1: They work hard. I mean it has been pretty this year,
Speaker 1: especially the last five weeks, but it came out. Don't
Speaker 1: give him a chance to win out in Oakland? Um,
Speaker 1: I think we had you know, Johnny Oda is the
Speaker 1: nine experts that pick on Twitter. I think only one
Speaker 1: of us picked, uh, the Jags to win. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say who it was me, Um, you did not, Yes,
Speaker 1: I did go back and look at it. Well, that's
Speaker 1: get your Pollyannis you're talking about. I thought I felt
Speaker 1: the energy. I knew I was reading cards. I felt
Speaker 1: the energy from this team and the Raiders stick. By
Speaker 1: the way, you know, the only team was lost by
Speaker 1: more points per game in the last three games in
Speaker 1: the Jags Raiders Raiders. Well the Jaguars thing too, when
Speaker 1: they were playing on the West Coast. I dont think
Speaker 1: they'd win. Give him credit. That was that was I
Speaker 1: didn't see that one coming. They played hard the first
Speaker 1: half of this game at halftime. The statistics at half
Speaker 1: are just just ugly. Seventeen to two was the first
Speaker 1: down total in favor of Oakland in the first half.
Speaker 1: UM and then, of course the time of possession twenty
Speaker 1: one minutes. The Raiders held the ball in the first half.
Speaker 1: The Jacks had nothing going on offense, they didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot going on defense. Earlier. They switched it around
Speaker 1: at halftime. Well no, actually they switched around after the
Speaker 1: first drive. In this sense on defense, they were still
Speaker 1: giving up three yards between the twenties. But they played
Speaker 1: it was like the old ben but don't break defense,
Speaker 1: and they got stingy in the red zone as they
Speaker 1: got down. They got some negative plays even after drives
Speaker 1: that had you know, five, six, seven plays. Then you
Speaker 1: get a sack, force a penalty, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: it's third and twenty. And so they did some They
Speaker 1: did some things on defense after that first drive. When
Speaker 1: they came, they hustled, they made plays and kept on
Speaker 1: fighting and they made the Oakland Raiders earn everything. They
Speaker 1: didn't give him anything easy. And because of that, the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders aren't very good football team and they couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And I thought so defensively after that first drive,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it wasn't great. Second half was
Speaker 1: very good. The rest of the first half. The numbers
Speaker 1: weren't great, but they did want to take to keep
Speaker 1: their team in the ball game by forcing field goals
Speaker 1: after the opening touchdown, and that's all you can do.
Speaker 1: And they get and they get. Take Derek Carr for
Speaker 1: stupidity at the end of the game, which which one
Speaker 1: when he left time on the clock clock. Well it's
Speaker 1: not it's not his fault that the officials blew the
Speaker 1: call when he slid and he's in bounds. Pete, we
Speaker 1: had to play a game after that throwing the ball, Okay,
Speaker 1: with the time out, let's go through the end of
Speaker 1: the game. And so I actually don't put this on
Speaker 1: Derek car I put it on John Gruden, number one,
Speaker 1: he's the coach. They start the four minute drive with
Speaker 1: about five minutes left. They were snapping the ball with
Speaker 1: ten thirteen seconds left in the play clock. A lot
Speaker 1: of times, Yeah, I didn't understand that at all, which
Speaker 1: is so like, if you just to give everyone to
Speaker 1: go to context, if you have six plays in that drive,
Speaker 1: which I think they had more than that, let's just
Speaker 1: say it's six. That's a oh, that's over a minute
Speaker 1: of time that you kept on the clock that should
Speaker 1: have been gone, but they did not. That adds up.
Speaker 1: So then they get down and they were second to
Speaker 1: nine to twenty left in the in the game, in
Speaker 1: the in the game, at twenty two something like that,
Speaker 1: they were in a zone read We're works perfectly. I
Speaker 1: think I think they got away with a little bit
Speaker 1: hold on Cleitro, but forget that. Derrick Carter is what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. He initiates the slide inbounds, his
Speaker 1: knee is down a yard before the out of bounds marker.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the officials blew it, and they stopped
Speaker 1: the clock with two oh five instead of letting it
Speaker 1: run down to the two minute warning. So now it's
Speaker 1: first and ten with two oh five. That's a forty
Speaker 1: second mistake, right because of the and the fact that
Speaker 1: that's not a reviewable play is a mistake. The officials
Speaker 1: blew it, and the fact that no one like Gruden
Speaker 1: said something but I'm like that should be that costs
Speaker 1: him the game. The game is probably over if the
Speaker 1: official just plays by the rules, because guess what, if
Speaker 1: he was going for a first down, he initiated the
Speaker 1: slide before the first down sticks wherever his knee hit,
Speaker 1: he'd be down, not where he starts to slide, or
Speaker 1: if you give yourself up in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: anywhere you're down. Yeah, he's down, And who cares if
Speaker 1: he split out of bounds, that doesn't matter. You begin
Speaker 1: the slide. So they blew it, so then it's for now.
Speaker 1: This is where Gruden, in my opinion, it started not
Speaker 1: telling their car to snap the ball with like two
Speaker 1: seconds in the play cock. Now this is where it
Speaker 1: gets off the off the rails. They're so mad that
Speaker 1: the official blew this. They're not paying attention to the
Speaker 1: play cock. They're not organized. Somebody on the sidelines in
Speaker 1: the booth has to be saying, coach, call time out.
Speaker 1: We can't take appealvely here because first and fifteen and
Speaker 1: a four minute offense is very different than first and ten,
Speaker 1: So they should have called the time out. They did not.
Speaker 1: Then he throws a challenge flag. Here comes another mistake
Speaker 1: by the officials. He throws a challenge flag on a
Speaker 1: play that is not challengeable and by rule Pete correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, you're supposed to lose a time
Speaker 1: out at that point. Correct the officials and take away
Speaker 1: the time out from him. Blew that part. Now it's
Speaker 1: first and fifteen two oh five. What do you do
Speaker 1: on first and fifteen and two or five when the
Speaker 1: clock is in the stop of the two more two
Speaker 1: minute warning. No matter what you throw, you throw the ball.
Speaker 1: I said it on the broadcast. Throw the ball here.
Speaker 1: You need to get back ahead of the change where
Speaker 1: you should be on still a two minute warning anywhere,
Speaker 1: two minute warning anyways, it's not it's doesn't matter. They
Speaker 1: should have run a naked bootleg. So the run get
Speaker 1: the Jags going easy completion, maybe pick up five, six,
Speaker 1: seven yards or whatever. They don't. They hand it off.
Speaker 1: Game two, now we get to the two minute warning,
Speaker 1: handed off again, they get three two or three Jags
Speaker 1: used the last time out. Now Here it comes the
Speaker 1: next mistake, in my opinion, you're in field goal range,
Speaker 1: it's third and eleven. What do you do? You run
Speaker 1: the ball, because right now, your percentage of picking up
Speaker 1: third and eleven in any situation, any part of the
Speaker 1: game is not high. Well, even if you complete that
Speaker 1: past he's not yet okay exactly, but you don't even
Speaker 1: take a chance of anything bad happening by throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: Because a drop stops the clock. You run it, You
Speaker 1: run another forty seconds off the clock. Then you call
Speaker 1: time out, you kick a field goal, even if you
Speaker 1: miss it. The Jaguars get back with fifty five two
Speaker 1: minute oh five right in those right right. If they
Speaker 1: would have done that, the game would have gone to
Speaker 1: overtime because the Jags would have the ball. If you
Speaker 1: if you back, if you go what happened where they
Speaker 1: were with five seconds left or forty five seconds left
Speaker 1: in the game, because that's what they cost them forty
Speaker 1: seconds by not running the ball instead of throwing it
Speaker 1: that forty seconds they were about the thirty it would
Speaker 1: have been a forty eight yard field gore so right,
Speaker 1: which would have been a long field goal to tie
Speaker 1: the game. And that's all coaching. Now go back to
Speaker 1: the first half with John Gruden. This I know and
Speaker 1: I like John. He makes ten million dollars years, so
Speaker 1: I have no problem criticizing when you're the highest spade
Speaker 1: coach and you're supposed to be, like, be really good.
Speaker 1: At this end of the first half, they have two
Speaker 1: time outs. They get the ball on the r twenty
Speaker 1: a minute eleven left, seven they run a draw, get nine.
Speaker 1: Don't call time out. I'm okay with that because you're
Speaker 1: backed up. Let's see if we can get a call
Speaker 1: a screen get thirty. What do you do after a
Speaker 1: thirty yard play with under a minute left when you
Speaker 1: have two time outs? You call time out? Are you're
Speaker 1: talking about it? Have the screen passed the rich down
Speaker 1: seven seconds to one seconds? They wasted twenty five seconds
Speaker 1: five seconds? Call time out. Now it's fifty five seconds.
Speaker 1: You're on their side of the fields. You have one
Speaker 1: time out, perfect perfect. Instead, you know what they did
Speaker 1: there through an incomplete passed. Now they have two amount
Speaker 1: to seconds left, seconds and they never used one of them.
Speaker 1: He went to the locker room with the pocket in
Speaker 1: his with the time out of his pocket. Terrible, terrible
Speaker 1: clock manage. They were on. They had first and go
Speaker 1: on the eight. They should have three shots at the
Speaker 1: end zone. They only had one. Right. Situational coaching in
Speaker 1: the NFL is awful, tony, and you're right. The announcers
Speaker 1: half the time don't even mention it. Half that stuff
Speaker 1: like how do you I'll give you one, I'll give
Speaker 1: you one at the end that you guys were at,
Speaker 1: your game was going on. At the end of the
Speaker 1: forty Niners game against Atlanta, the Falcons actually scored touchdown.
Speaker 1: They review it, they overturn it, which probably should have
Speaker 1: been overturned. They had one that had three I think
Speaker 1: it was two seconds left. They score, Julio Jones goes
Speaker 1: across the line, They review it, call it a touchdown.
Speaker 1: The Falcons send out there two point team, take a
Speaker 1: snap and take a knee. The announcers didn't say one
Speaker 1: where one of them said, well, they must want to
Speaker 1: try and use the time, then they want the ball
Speaker 1: block for a two point conversion. Yes, one word about it.
Speaker 1: They just sat there. They couldn't figure out what they
Speaker 1: were doing. Well, listen, if you want to hear these
Speaker 1: things you're a Jaguar fan, turn your TV off and
Speaker 1: turn on our radio. Because we talked about every one
Speaker 1: of these things during the entire game. So if you
Speaker 1: want to know this stuff, listen to us, because that's
Speaker 1: what we talked about. And one thing about Minshew and
Speaker 1: that video you guys just showed that looks like it's
Speaker 1: his team. No, I think that's pretty clear by now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you saw a passing shot of Nick Foles like kind
Speaker 1: of in the background. But the guy they were raillying
Speaker 1: around with Minshew, Well, people you also know this. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, I agree with you, by the way, but
Speaker 1: when you win, players are out of their minds. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything's right in the world. Everyone's good, and everyone's your
Speaker 1: favor they're all better, they're all best friends. And then
Speaker 1: when you're losing, everyone hates each other. Just the way
Speaker 1: the world works. But he looked like he took control
Speaker 1: that for a young kid. He looked like that was
Speaker 1: his huddle. So when we come back, because I know
Speaker 1: we gotta go to break here. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to go through minshew, the good, the bad,
Speaker 1: the ugly, because now everyone's back on the train and saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: know what everyone wants to talk about, and what you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out for next year is like what
Speaker 1: do you do at the quarterback position? Like Nick Foles
Speaker 1: is gonna be here unless the crazy happens because you
Speaker 1: own them all this money. You're gonna pay for him
Speaker 1: one way or another, and you have this young quarterback
Speaker 1: and Gardner minsh. You that if you looked at it
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Speaker 1: your six round quarterbacks gonna be five and five in
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Speaker 1: I mean, because you're gonna have high draft picks and
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Speaker 1: It's you look at this week. In the last two
Speaker 1: weeks after the performance, everyone has gone crazy, said mitche Mane.
Speaker 1: He is back the magic back because he brought this
Speaker 1: team to a win. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: look at the entire picture when you're making a decision,
Speaker 1: you're really evaluating Gardner minshew. It was ugly to start
Speaker 1: the game. I mean they had no rhythm. He was
Speaker 1: inaccurate throwing the ball. He was, would you say, Pete jumpy, moving,
Speaker 1: moving in the pocket more than he needed to. He
Speaker 1: did have a drop, but they had nothing going at all.
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, and there's questions. You know,
Speaker 1: part of the question. Some of the questions I think
Speaker 1: people have is his I don't think it's a big
Speaker 1: deal right now because he's young. Is his ability to
Speaker 1: see things and everything else. He'll get that. He's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. Arm strength is a question. Candy. Drive the
Speaker 1: ball down the field. That's something they have not done
Speaker 1: very well. He did have the deep paths the on
Speaker 1: the out and up to call the corner fell down.
Speaker 1: But his arm did not look great early. He did
Speaker 1: not look accurate. It didn't look like a lot of
Speaker 1: zip in the ball. The ball was sailing on him.
Speaker 1: It was ugly. The bad was he was leading an offense.
Speaker 1: It still could not get the end zone. He has
Speaker 1: not gotten the end zone very much in the last
Speaker 1: three games. He started Houston in London last week against
Speaker 1: whoever we play I can't remember now, Chargers, the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and this week to start the first half, two first downs,
Speaker 1: barely seventy yards of offense under ten minutes of the
Speaker 1: time of possession, and you honestly wondered, as we're saying,
Speaker 1: we looked at each other in the boot like will
Speaker 1: we ever see the end zone again? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how bad it felt. But this is the good. This
Speaker 1: is what I love about this kid, and this is
Speaker 1: why there's a chance that he could be the guy.
Speaker 1: He's got to clean up stuff. I think he needs
Speaker 1: to work on, you know, keep on getting his arm
Speaker 1: stronger and stronger. He'll improve on seeing things. But the
Speaker 1: stuff he has that you can't teach. He has a
Speaker 1: presence about him. He's a natural leader. He has moxie,
Speaker 1: he has grit, and the kid never flinches. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything was going against him, nothing was going their way,
Speaker 1: and he kept on fire. He started the game three.
Speaker 1: That's not good, that awful, fortunate the ball didn't get
Speaker 1: bad and picked high throws on slants, poor throws. The
Speaker 1: next eight team passes JP after the first ten. You
Speaker 1: know what, he was fourteen for eight team two touched
Speaker 1: sounds and lead this team and made some big time
Speaker 1: throws at the end of the game. Now they weren't
Speaker 1: still he drove one down the field on a comeback
Speaker 1: the uh. The two touchdowns were not deep throws. They
Speaker 1: were beautiful, on time, precision slant patterns. But the most
Speaker 1: impressive thing to me about this kid is his toughness,
Speaker 1: both physically and mentally to hang in there and to
Speaker 1: keep on playing until the game's over. A lot of
Speaker 1: guys don't have that. But you cannot look at this
Speaker 1: performance and say Mania is back and he's definitely the guy.
Speaker 1: That's the way, Pete. That's why I said, the good,
Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly. I agree with you. There's there's
Speaker 1: there's good. Stuff got to be better than that. It
Speaker 1: was great for Spurts, it was very good. It was
Speaker 1: great when it had to be Um and he's decisive
Speaker 1: and he makes good decisions when it has to be.
Speaker 1: But at other times it was awful. And that's why
Speaker 1: I can't have that. That's why, Pete, that's why I said,
Speaker 1: when I thought about it was a good, the bad, ugly,
Speaker 1: there was good, there was bad, and there was some
Speaker 1: flat ugly stuff. And you're right, you need more you got.
Speaker 1: These last two games are very important for them. I
Speaker 1: think the off season is important. I think unless one
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks falls to you wherever you pick, you're
Speaker 1: probably going into training camp with Minshew and folds your
Speaker 1: guys to compete for the starting job. And it's too
Speaker 1: early to make any proclamation that he's the guy. And
Speaker 1: for everyone who's so excited what happened at the end,
Speaker 1: yes I'm excited too, but you can't let that cloud
Speaker 1: the entire picture. And that's what Pete saying. It's it's
Speaker 1: a big picture. Thing. And let's not forget that's a
Speaker 1: bad Oakland team and a bad Oakland defense alright, and
Speaker 1: Atlanta is a bad defense for most of this year too,
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I just think there's gotta be the
Speaker 1: next two games to me, are important for him. He's
Speaker 1: got to show better early in games and and get
Speaker 1: going and then then you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not just about the end of the game. That magic
Speaker 1: is great and all, but it's got to be more.
Speaker 1: We gotta get to the point where you're not happy
Speaker 1: being forced to need the magic at the end of games.
Speaker 1: You hear that music, Pete, that means shut up you.
Speaker 1: You just babbled for twenty minutes straight through that segment.
Speaker 1: This segment is only six minutes, but good try. Whatever
Speaker 1: it was, you babbled the whole damn time. It was well,
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Speaker 1: P shattered Tony was Sully Pete Presco glad you're along
Speaker 1: with us. Plenty to get to today. We've touched on
Speaker 1: the Jaguars win. Of course, they snapped a five game
Speaker 1: losing skid with the sixteen win over the Oakland Raiders
Speaker 1: meansh you magic at the end to get it done.
Speaker 1: The Jags defense played well. Can they pull a couple
Speaker 1: more rabbits out of their hat the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: We'll find out today though. This afternoon, the NFL Players
Speaker 1: Association throwing an announcement out there that they had one
Speaker 1: a grievance over the Jaguars finding players for missing offseason
Speaker 1: rehab and the players thought they It was announced later
Speaker 1: correct for seven dred thousand dollars in fines have been rescinded.
Speaker 1: It now for Dante Fowler and a couple of key
Speaker 1: quotes in there, I'm discussing that of the grievances filed
Speaker 1: in the league in the last two years have been
Speaker 1: against the Jaguars and basically warning membership of the Players
Speaker 1: Association UM to consider this when you have a chance
Speaker 1: to select your next club. Do we want to dive
Speaker 1: into this again? Are we just touch on it briefly?
Speaker 1: When you get when you get fined, it comes out
Speaker 1: of your paycheck right away and then you have to
Speaker 1: file the grievance to get it back. Yes, so basically
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a Christmas present. Dante Faller just
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. Man. So I was only
Speaker 1: fined twice and uh so, yeah, but before so I
Speaker 1: got fined, I probably shouldn't could have filed a greevance
Speaker 1: against Tom for this one I got fined. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even a rule and he made it up after because
Speaker 1: he didn't like something I got fine for. Uh three times.
Speaker 1: I got fined for leaving the pregame meal early, not
Speaker 1: spending enough time with my teammates. Remember the story which
Speaker 1: it wasn't even really that's really stupid. What was the fine?
Speaker 1: How much was it? I think it was like back
Speaker 1: then I was a rookie. It was like toft was
Speaker 1: a small fine. Um. I remember it was me Novak
Speaker 1: and Chung and we went down to his office to
Speaker 1: like complain about it, and he just said he was
Speaker 1: unwavering that we were getting fine. I was late for
Speaker 1: one team meeting. I was actually here sitting in the
Speaker 1: locker room. And it was before the digital clocks, so
Speaker 1: everything was, you know, five minutes early digital clock. Back
Speaker 1: then we had the just like the manual clock, so
Speaker 1: every clock was different in the building. And so I
Speaker 1: showed up it was I was like four minutes early,
Speaker 1: me and Clyde Simmons, and the door was locked and
Speaker 1: the team media started, so, um, all right, so you
Speaker 1: deserve that one. Yeah, you were like, how do you
Speaker 1: figure I was still early? It was it was eight
Speaker 1: o'clock meeting. I was there at eight at seven fifty six. Anyways, fine. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then um, I got fined by the NFL for
Speaker 1: a fight against the Ravens, and I actually appealed that one.
Speaker 1: I peeled the fine I got from the league and
Speaker 1: I lost. So they never find you for punching me
Speaker 1: in the locker room, then you gotta pay me? No,
Speaker 1: they actually I got a bonus for punching you. Tom said,
Speaker 1: great job, or maybe a hundred thousand dollar bonus for
Speaker 1: punching Pete. So Pete, when I mean I kind of
Speaker 1: ranted it at the beginning of the show about my thoughts, uh,
Speaker 1: and I think you were here for part of it
Speaker 1: when we lost you for a little bit. What's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this whole? This is not a good look.
Speaker 1: This is not a good look for the team. And
Speaker 1: again I told you what I said. I think just
Speaker 1: go straight to the top, not not shod Khan or
Speaker 1: Tony Khan. Tom Coughlin, this is all about him, is
Speaker 1: it just? Is it just Tom? Is it Tom and
Speaker 1: Dave or just Tom? It's Tom? It's Tom. Tom has
Speaker 1: hated anything that goes against conventional coach type of mentality
Speaker 1: since I've known him. Any little thing that strays away
Speaker 1: from what he thinks should be the right way, We'll
Speaker 1: drive him nuts. Jalen Ramsey not showing up for voluntary
Speaker 1: workouts drove him crazy. I know it did. It used
Speaker 1: to drive him crazy. Do you remember when Logoman was
Speaker 1: part of the problem when he didn't show up for
Speaker 1: voluntary mini voluntary training camp. In Steven's point, so let
Speaker 1: me tell that story, because could you imagine if that
Speaker 1: happened to day? What the what the union do. So
Speaker 1: the Panthers and the Jaguars were allowed to come to
Speaker 1: camp like ten days early because we played in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Hall of Fame game. Yes, it was.
Speaker 1: It was the only six I think. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be like July t that was
Speaker 1: the that was like the official reporting date. So Tom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of O t A s said, we
Speaker 1: are starting camp July. So the July eleventh was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the day We're starting camp July six eight.
Speaker 1: It was four it was it was four days early
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And and it's like Logs, like, you
Speaker 1: can't do that, like the like, this is the date
Speaker 1: we have to be there. He says, no, we are
Speaker 1: starting camp four days earlier. And so I was rookie.
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better. I'm like, okay. So, like
Speaker 1: everyone showed up except for three guys Logan Shmangi and
Speaker 1: Calvin Pritchard didn't show better. Maybe I said, no, we're
Speaker 1: not showing up when we don't have to be there volunteering.
Speaker 1: It was already a six week camp as it was.
Speaker 1: And uh, and that was the end of it. Though
Speaker 1: I tried to find him. If I'm not mistaken. He
Speaker 1: tried to find him. Yeah, but he didn't. But that
Speaker 1: was the end of it. If you if if a
Speaker 1: team tried to do that right now, the Morris Smith
Speaker 1: would be like like in the city saying no, do
Speaker 1: not show up. But nothing like we all showed up.
Speaker 1: We practiced the extra four days two days, and if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, Berline actually played in that Tahoe golf
Speaker 1: tournament and had to race to get there for the
Speaker 1: first day of the voluntary slash mandatory trading came that
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I didn't know any better. I was
Speaker 1: a rookie. I'm like, okay, I guess that's what you do.
Speaker 1: And then like about three weeks later, you thought everybody
Speaker 1: got to fly on Wayne Weaver's private jet when they
Speaker 1: got hurt. No, I knew that was just me. So Pete,
Speaker 1: I said this, and you were off the air. And
Speaker 1: I'll just say it again briefly, this is like, it's
Speaker 1: ridiculous to me. It's not that hard like and this
Speaker 1: is like coaches in the front office, and coaches always
Speaker 1: want the players to follow all the rules, which they
Speaker 1: should be on time, show up the treatment, do the
Speaker 1: things you're supposed to do in my message to a player,
Speaker 1: it's like, just follow the rules. It makes life easier
Speaker 1: for everybody. They're the boss, they're the organization. These are
Speaker 1: the rules. As long as they don't violate the cb A,
Speaker 1: you should do them right. But guess what, it's same
Speaker 1: thing for the coaches in the front office. This is
Speaker 1: the cb A that was negotiated by your owner. This
Speaker 1: is the rule. Well reference I can reference back when
Speaker 1: Tom was the coach and he didn't follow the rules
Speaker 1: on injuries, like and this is what drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: And I gave the example Pete. Tom had a rule
Speaker 1: that you weren't allowed to wear white socks on the road.
Speaker 1: I hated the rule. It drove me crazy. I thought
Speaker 1: it was the dumbest rule ever. I told him. I
Speaker 1: thought it was dumb as not. This is ridiculous. I
Speaker 1: like white sox. I want to wear white socks. What
Speaker 1: does it matter. No, it's a rule. So guess what.
Speaker 1: I followed the rule because it was the rule. I
Speaker 1: hated it, So why shouldn't Why should a rule that
Speaker 1: he doesn't like not be followed? And that's by the way,
Speaker 1: rules are still one of his best stories ever has
Speaker 1: been Loggaman told his story about the Bolow tide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had it in the studio last year. Actually, it's great,
Speaker 1: and I'm not and I'm not trying to pile on
Speaker 1: coach Conflin. Oh no, Look, I love Tom, but he
Speaker 1: had too many nippicky things and he didn't follow the
Speaker 1: rules he was supposed to follow. And that's my problem.
Speaker 1: And in this case, like the rules are there for
Speaker 1: a reason, they're negotiated by both sides. Just follow them.
Speaker 1: If it's not that hard, it's really not. The injury
Speaker 1: report every week, and this was before the injury report changed.
Speaker 1: It was you had to have guys on the injury
Speaker 1: report and send it in the right way. Well, Tom
Speaker 1: always fudged the injury report and I kept telling him,
Speaker 1: by the way, by the way, he wasn't the only
Speaker 1: only team, but I told him, I said, Tom, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. Put the injuries on the injury port
Speaker 1: the way they are so one. I kept telling him, I, Oh,
Speaker 1: you do it again. I'm telling I'm calling the lead.
Speaker 1: So he didn't have Jimmy on the injury report. And
Speaker 1: when he didn't practice that day and I waited out
Speaker 1: in the parking lot and a couple of guys told
Speaker 1: me Jimmy wasn't a thing, so I called the league
Speaker 1: and he went crazy. But he didn't follow rules. He
Speaker 1: wanted his own rules, but didn't follow the rules. And
Speaker 1: that's where this is a problem. It's the same type
Speaker 1: of situation. So there you go. So it's a bad look.
Speaker 1: But more than anything, though disturbing about this is not
Speaker 1: the money, not how he did it. It's the last
Speaker 1: line of that statement from the NFL p A. They're
Speaker 1: basically warning free agents be careful about signing with Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: That is an awful look. And I don't believe that
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get a contract, is gonna not sign there
Speaker 1: for that reason. But it's still not a good guy.
Speaker 1: But be Here's this is where it becomes a competitive disadvantage.
Speaker 1: Is if you're the Jaguars and you're offering player A,
Speaker 1: you know, a million dollars a year, and the the
Speaker 1: Titans are offering the same player a million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: And they look at both situations the page the saying
Speaker 1: everything is the same. They might reference this and saying, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Jacksonville. The PAS telling
Speaker 1: me that they don't follow the rules, and I have
Speaker 1: to do things I'm I supposed to according to the
Speaker 1: c B A I'm gonna go to Tennessee. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know what supersedes that most they income tax. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: say the Miami Dolphins. In the Dolphins, now you're right
Speaker 1: to go to Miami. It's a it's a competitive disadvantage.
Speaker 1: The other thing is and and you know this, You've
Speaker 1: been around teams like players know in that locker room,
Speaker 1: and especially when you're losing, like players are mad, they're angry.
Speaker 1: It makes it harder for the head coach because you're
Speaker 1: managing like a bunch of stuff that shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: be managed. And it might it might make you pay
Speaker 1: more to get a guy what you had a disadvantage
Speaker 1: in your cap. It's just not a good look. It's not.
Speaker 1: And you know every team and it's just like in recruiting, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna gonna use it because in recruiting, like they
Speaker 1: don't open up the practices to the NFL scouts, use
Speaker 1: that against them. You know, it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: M The Jaguars on the field had to rally back.
Speaker 1: They got it done. Gardnerment you with the two touchdown
Speaker 1: passes in the fourth quarter to Chris Conley and the
Speaker 1: defense tightened up. How about the day for Unique and
Speaker 1: Guay yesterday, by the way, five tackles, two sacks, four
Speaker 1: tackles for loss, and a pass defense, and that's pretty
Speaker 1: good day at the office. Well, and he was dominant
Speaker 1: in the past rush, just dominic um all day long.
Speaker 1: Even when he didn't get sacks, he was pressuring force
Speaker 1: and early throws. He was harassing the quarterback. Very good
Speaker 1: pass rush. And he did what I I've been hoping
Speaker 1: he would do for a while. He used his speed
Speaker 1: and athletic ability in the run game where he didn't
Speaker 1: just try to to gap him and go toe to
Speaker 1: toe with these bigger men. He used his athletic ability
Speaker 1: get on their edge, get around them, and recover in
Speaker 1: the backfield and make plays. And that's how he has
Speaker 1: to play. He is not big enough just to go
Speaker 1: toe to toe every play with big offensive tackles when
Speaker 1: they're running the ball right at him. He has to
Speaker 1: use his athletic abilities. One of the most athletic defensive
Speaker 1: ends in the entire NFL use that, and he did yesterday.
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal yesterday. I mean that was like he
Speaker 1: should have looked up to the press box that said
Speaker 1: now you gotta pay me guys, because that was that
Speaker 1: type of performance as a pass rusher, he was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Now the fact he's working against isn't very good. No,
Speaker 1: but my whole point was the passwords was there. But
Speaker 1: he used his athletic abilion in the run game as well,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's done that enough. Something about
Speaker 1: that yesterday bothers me. Why is Josh Allen only playing
Speaker 1: twenty nine snaps? Well, you got beat up early. I
Speaker 1: saw that, but he came back. I would play more too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't get that. That's one of
Speaker 1: the mysteries to me, is why he doesn't play more.
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for you. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: some answers from you though, in the next segment. Social
Speaker 1: media questions. All right, let's do it. It's right around
Speaker 1: the corner. Let's do it. Pete's favorite. Well, I got
Speaker 1: some PF grade for to throw out there too. It
Speaker 1: so nice we can get to those a little bit.
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Speaker 1: to start to be great. Josh Allen first round picked
Speaker 1: this year. He's up to ten sacks for the season
Speaker 1: and Jaguars Happy hour continues. J Pete, Shadrick, Tony Boselli,
Speaker 1: Pete Priscoe after a Jaguars win in Oakland twenty to
Speaker 1: sixteen the final. I guess it gonna be good. He
Speaker 1: already is good. He's gonna be really good. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, and he goes to peace question.
Speaker 1: I agree with Pete. I think he's played more more
Speaker 1: snaps now yesterday because the injury. I think that had
Speaker 1: something to do with it. It's a stinger, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I still think he needs more stamps. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: only played seven. I mean a stinger would take you
Speaker 1: out for ten of them. He's got to play more
Speaker 1: with that, Peter. I just said that, okay, But you
Speaker 1: said because of the stinger yesterday. I said, okay, take
Speaker 1: him up for ten and he still should be way
Speaker 1: above seven. We agree. Let's go on social. Do you
Speaker 1: think we lost again or something? Oh? No, I say
Speaker 1: we I want to get to social. I'm excited. Are
Speaker 1: you sure that'll be positive because we won social media?
Speaker 1: Question number one? Then at Jags five every game Mint
Speaker 1: she plays, which way do you lean he's a franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback or a high end backup? TBD? To be determined?
Speaker 1: Is that what that stands for? Thank you? That's where
Speaker 1: I sit with it. At least yes, to be determined.
Speaker 1: But I'd lean more towards the backup than a franchise quarterback. Why.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he does the things that you does.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a bunch of him, Tony. He's jumping in
Speaker 1: the pocket too much, his arm isn't great, his anticipation
Speaker 1: isn't great. Is improvisational skills are fantastic? So again I
Speaker 1: would disagree with that, I think his I think he
Speaker 1: anticipates at times pretty well. Um, I Pete, your favorite
Speaker 1: quarterback in the draft two years ago was Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: All the things you just said, I would say Gardner
Speaker 1: mits you is better as a rookie than Josh Allen
Speaker 1: was his rookie. Probably he was an arm isn't nearly.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I said he is performing better
Speaker 1: in the pocket, making better reads, more decisive, um better
Speaker 1: in the pocket. A lot of things that a lot
Speaker 1: of people were worried about Josh Allen, and you loved him,
Speaker 1: and he's having a very good second half of this year.
Speaker 1: We need that Buffalo team to the playoffs with a
Speaker 1: very good defense, very well coached. But he is a
Speaker 1: huge part of it. My point is this is why
Speaker 1: to me, it's to be determined. He is better than
Speaker 1: Josh Allen as a rookie. He is better than Sam
Speaker 1: Donald if you look at the numbers and the production
Speaker 1: and everything else. As a rookie, well, he's better than
Speaker 1: Lovemar Jackson as a rookie. Lamar Jackson's uh as a
Speaker 1: rookie took a team to the playoffs that was out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. I would disagree with you there. It
Speaker 1: wasn't good. Lamar Jackson's numbers were terrible last year. Not
Speaker 1: running the ball, I mean the way he played. He
Speaker 1: led them to the playoffs. It was, but he was
Speaker 1: an under under. I would take Lamar Jackson's in his
Speaker 1: own category as my point. I'm not That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let's move on next question at Terence L. Hayes has
Speaker 1: a couple in a row here. This is the first one.
Speaker 1: How can we get Josh Allen and unique and got
Speaker 1: Quay in the lineup more often? Just put him out
Speaker 1: in the field. Why not have Josh play strong side
Speaker 1: linebacker in base and then moves the defensive end on
Speaker 1: pass rushdowns players over scheme right, I would Actually, I
Speaker 1: think Yan could play the big end sometimes. I think
Speaker 1: he could spell class as well. I've been impressed of
Speaker 1: how he plays the run really so. So basically that
Speaker 1: was the knock on him. I know this. That was
Speaker 1: a knock they used against him when they negotiated against him.
Speaker 1: So you think he's improved as a run player to
Speaker 1: the point where he's actually pretty good at are you talking?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Alan not a Gockway. Oh and Gonway
Speaker 1: were they asked about putting on Gonckway uh strong. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's why I put That's why I said, no, put
Speaker 1: Josh as a backup. I think he's vagually. I think
Speaker 1: I don't want him there getting pounded all day. But
Speaker 1: I think I mean, he's a big he's twitter and
Speaker 1: seventy five pounds, dudes, big and strong. You watch him
Speaker 1: work against tight ends. You know, he made a play
Speaker 1: yesterday on the inside zone far off the tight end,
Speaker 1: work into the C gap, down the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: and made a tackle for a yard game. I mean
Speaker 1: he is a physical guy, so I would get him
Speaker 1: on the field to a lot more. I just put
Speaker 1: him an end. I wouldn't put him a strong sideline backer.
Speaker 1: I think you can put you on a strong side
Speaker 1: linebacker before Alan. He's so much, he's so athletic and
Speaker 1: can move in space. Why can maybe the two ends,
Speaker 1: I just said, Pete, but okay, or why can't you
Speaker 1: go to a different defense where they both stand up?
Speaker 1: Go to a three four. You're not gonna You're not
Speaker 1: gonna go to a three four in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season. No, not this year. I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: moving forward. Well, I mean and that all depends where
Speaker 1: the you know, who the coaches are, and who the
Speaker 1: front office is and kind of what they do personnel wise,
Speaker 1: and the big people inside. You have to change your
Speaker 1: big people inside. So I mean, I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a much longer term question that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna answer four three three four anymore anyways, because your
Speaker 1: nickel sev at a time. So but somehow, some way,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out a way to get Josh Allen
Speaker 1: on the field. Fifty five of the seventies something snaps.
Speaker 1: He has to be on the field, and he hasn't been.
Speaker 1: What happened in the days when defense events will play
Speaker 1: every snap? I remember, I remember I played Bruce Smith
Speaker 1: the first couple of years I played him. He played
Speaker 1: every snap. Michael McCrary every snap, Derrick Thomas every snap.
Speaker 1: And and you know, now these coaches are so enamored
Speaker 1: with having guys fresh at the end of the game
Speaker 1: that they take their their guys out in key situations
Speaker 1: because it's rotation time. And then you have a team
Speaker 1: drive it down the field and go up by four
Speaker 1: team which I never quite got or you got a chance,
Speaker 1: you just scored, you got a chance to get him
Speaker 1: three and out, get the ball back and go up
Speaker 1: four team, and then all of a sudden, you got
Speaker 1: your backups in there. They drive to mid you know,
Speaker 1: the thirty five or four yard line, and then he go, okay,
Speaker 1: get them back in there. Now they're rested, and by
Speaker 1: that time they go in and scored points a field
Speaker 1: goal or touchdown. I never get it. I don't get
Speaker 1: like Alfred Williams when he was three years a row
Speaker 1: ten sack plus guy every down, simmon, right, So I
Speaker 1: played him every down. I mean it was just it
Speaker 1: was different. I mean, you got the top, you got
Speaker 1: the basketball every down. Like baseball now with the pitchers
Speaker 1: who starting pitchers don't pitch complete games anymore. They get out,
Speaker 1: they get yanked because analytics say they need to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just interesting. No, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Tony. I think sometimes they get too caught
Speaker 1: up in you've played this many snaps. No, Clay's Campbell's
Speaker 1: played too many snaps this year. Well, he's an older player.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about young guys. It goes both ways. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can. Let's get to another one from Terence L.
Speaker 1: Hayes he had a couple of good ones in a
Speaker 1: row here this one. Should we get a look at
Speaker 1: Will Richardson at left tackle in the final two games.
Speaker 1: We know what Cam Robinson is and what his ceiling is.
Speaker 1: We must figure out that premium position A s A
Speaker 1: p Uh. What do you think of Cam's game yesterday?
Speaker 1: Poor in the first poor in the first half, better
Speaker 1: in the second half. Half. Um, he's not good, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think Will Richardson should be playing guard A J.
Speaker 1: Cannes playing better than him a guard. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: why they're still doing the rotation. He struggles. He only
Speaker 1: played seven STAPs and he struggled those seven stamps. Um
Speaker 1: a couple of pass rushes, one in particular. Uh. I
Speaker 1: thought Will did pretty good the first two weeks at
Speaker 1: left tackle. And you know he gave up this sact
Speaker 1: to Whitney Merciless not the first person to do that
Speaker 1: on the road. That's a tough matchup. Uh. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I'd do it the last two games though. But
Speaker 1: if I'd go into camp and it's an open competition
Speaker 1: for left tackle, and I would even I would even
Speaker 1: be open to drafting a left tackle because it's a
Speaker 1: deep it's a deep draft, they will take a left tack.
Speaker 1: I think they'll take a left tackle. It all depends
Speaker 1: who was picking. They should be Robinson the Guard, I
Speaker 1: would agree. Next question from at carpet if future, Um,
Speaker 1: if you buy into the idea of an offseason quarterback
Speaker 1: competition between Foals and Minshew, what else can you learn
Speaker 1: about so that hasn't already been demonstrated this season? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, players do improve year over year. Some improved,
Speaker 1: some don't, some get worse. So that's why you have
Speaker 1: a competition going into the season. That's pretty bit much
Speaker 1: answers the question. Well, again, you don't know what system
Speaker 1: they're going to be playing in next You don't know
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But guys get better, I mean,
Speaker 1: especially rookies. The biggest jump is from year one to
Speaker 1: year two when we're talking about Lamar Jackson. Before he
Speaker 1: couldn't operate out of the pocket at all. Last year
Speaker 1: he's an effective out of the pocket. Now I'm saying
Speaker 1: he's the best, but he's effectively. Does the next two
Speaker 1: games not impact You're just you're thinking on Minshew in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. Then I think everything has
Speaker 1: an impact. Pet I think everything you see everything he
Speaker 1: does impacts you know how you view going in I
Speaker 1: mean human nature. You see things you like, this, like
Speaker 1: and everything else are gonna impact where they start in
Speaker 1: your mind going into training camp. I wonder how what
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy thinks about Minshew and Falls. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's a very good coach, very good coach. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a head coach somewhere next year. And uh,
Speaker 1: I think I thought he did a great job in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Got a little bit sideways at the end.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more to that story. Um. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they talked about in Green Bay and Pete knows it.
Speaker 1: But I think Mike McCarthy's the heck of a coach.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a good choice in Jackson if
Speaker 1: they do make a change, which they well. Next question
Speaker 1: at Joe Underscore Morgan. I don't think this is Joe
Speaker 1: Morgan from the Cincinnati Reds, but Tony it might be.
Speaker 1: As we talked about earlier, what's your take on the
Speaker 1: n f l p A findings against the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: what does this mean for coughlin status with the team?
Speaker 1: I already answered the first, Um, how about the second
Speaker 1: part a thousand times in the show already feels like,
Speaker 1: what does it what does it mean for Coughlin's status.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a it's a really good question,
Speaker 1: it's a fair question, and I'm not sure. UM. I
Speaker 1: think this whole thing is in the air right now.
Speaker 1: And we talked about at the top where there's reports
Speaker 1: out there from Chris Mortenson. They named Tom and Doug
Speaker 1: is possibly not being here, Tom walking away, Doug being fired,
Speaker 1: nothing said about Dave. I think my guess is that
Speaker 1: it will start with kind of Tom that shot evaluates,
Speaker 1: that's the individual reports directly to the owner. UM will
Speaker 1: evaluate what, you know, where he sits and what he's
Speaker 1: done and how this thing's operated under him. I think
Speaker 1: Tom's also I think Chris Morton is probably right in
Speaker 1: the sense that he's gonna evaluate seventy three years old,
Speaker 1: you know, how much longer does he want to do this?
Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be some personal reflection by
Speaker 1: Tom as well, and how that goes is going to
Speaker 1: determine a lot of the rest, because I don't think
Speaker 1: anything happens with Dave or Doug until it is sorted
Speaker 1: out what happens with Tom, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: will happen um, but I think that's just the way
Speaker 1: the organization is set up right now, how Shot has
Speaker 1: set it up. We're all of football reports to Tom
Speaker 1: and he's the final say and everything with football, and
Speaker 1: so I think that will be sorted out before anything else.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think, like I said, I've been saying
Speaker 1: it all along. I think Tom walks away. I think
Speaker 1: there's other changes that coach Doug Marone's gone. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen to Dave, but he could be
Speaker 1: gone to I think he could have a clean sweep there.
Speaker 1: Now I mentioned Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy comes in. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna want to have football say, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: have impact on that football say. So in that scenario,
Speaker 1: he might recommend a guy he's worked with over the
Speaker 1: years to be that football guy, so they could work
Speaker 1: hand in hand. So I think it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how that plays out, because I think Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy would be a heck of a hire for Jacksonville. Alright,
Speaker 1: questions are done. Thanks for all the submissions. Today, we're
Speaker 1: back in a moment. We'll have some PFF grades your favorite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we the AMC South stuff. We don't putting too much
Speaker 1: time on it. Yeah, it's gonna be a short, short, quick, quick,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna move forward. We'll go around the
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Speaker 1: Pete Prisco and Tony Boselli is perusing social media as
Speaker 1: we speak something real quick. You've been You've been in
Speaker 1: that scenario before where you're not winning, it's come to
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Are you looking forward to
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Are you regretting that you
Speaker 1: only have a couple more games to play? I was
Speaker 1: looking forward to the end of the season. Um, it
Speaker 1: was such a long year and uh nine, and then
Speaker 1: in two thousand it's probably, I mean there's regret because
Speaker 1: you know, you let it slip away and you should
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. We're a better team than being
Speaker 1: seven and nine, and we lost probably three or four
Speaker 1: that we had no business losing that year. Um, so
Speaker 1: that was probably regret there. And then two thousand one,
Speaker 1: I was hurt at the end of the year, so
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about it, and and then the other
Speaker 1: the other years we were in the playoffs. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: I look at these teams and I'm thinking, Okay, do
Speaker 1: they want to play on? Where are they glad it's over?
Speaker 1: I think I think every situation, Yeah, I think every
Speaker 1: situation is different. I think it's the culture, what's going on,
Speaker 1: how you know how you got to this point. Like
Speaker 1: my guess is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are like we
Speaker 1: wish we were playing, still playing because they're playing good football.
Speaker 1: You know. You look at the Atlanta Falcons with the
Speaker 1: talent that they have in understanding, salary cap and everything else,
Speaker 1: and you know how long you know they're gonna be
Speaker 1: a different team next year. And my guess is Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan and guys like that are saying, boy, we blew
Speaker 1: it were more talented than being five and nine. My
Speaker 1: guess is the Miami Dolphins are ready for the off season.
Speaker 1: I mean every team is different, different. I thought this
Speaker 1: team was ready for the off season, but going out
Speaker 1: there and winning tells me that it's not necessarily the case. No,
Speaker 1: but you can be ready for the off season still
Speaker 1: play your tail off. I mean, yeahs for the for
Speaker 1: the Bahamas and Aruba and Puerto Rico and everything. You
Speaker 1: still play your tail off. Well, I'll do. This was
Speaker 1: a long year, you remember that. I mean it was
Speaker 1: a long year, long year, and I was exhausted and
Speaker 1: I was ready for football to be done. We have
Speaker 1: lost seven straight going to last game. I mean it
Speaker 1: was just we got blown out in Detroit. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like, my goodness. With that said, I played
Speaker 1: my tail off at every one of those games, and
Speaker 1: so I think both can be true at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was a year. You guys, what You beat
Speaker 1: Cleveland the last and then it carried over to the
Speaker 1: next year. Not. I love Pete. He does not believe
Speaker 1: in the carryover effect neither. I'm a big carry over guy. No,
Speaker 1: you're not big carry over A lot of carry over. Um,
Speaker 1: how about a few of the highlights from Pro Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus the grating in this all right, we gotta
Speaker 1: get in the offensive line because uh, Tony is usually
Speaker 1: accurate spot on with that. I'm sure we had a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the plane home to watch the
Speaker 1: Taps when he wasn't sleeping. I watched. I watched like
Speaker 1: a quarter on the way home, and then I watched
Speaker 1: the movie. Then I left, and then I watched the
Speaker 1: rest of today. Okay, lowest rated offensive lineman, Sam Robinson
Speaker 1: easily highest rated offensive line. I would say Norwell or yeah, no,
Speaker 1: weell be my guy. Okay, he gave Linda got bad grades.
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor got it so so great. Uh, and Can
Speaker 1: got an average grade. Yeah. I didn't think Linda was great.
Speaker 1: I thought Jowan was fine. I thought he played solid. Uh,
Speaker 1: can tame. He had one or two plays that I'm
Speaker 1: sure he look back, but I thought he saw it too.
Speaker 1: I thought Norwell was the best. Cam was the works. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go to the defense. I rated defensive player is
Speaker 1: pretty easy. Well, it's gonna be in Gockway because of
Speaker 1: the sacks and two tackles for a loss, four tackles
Speaker 1: tax loss, they gave a negative grade. And run defense,
Speaker 1: he had a couple. He had like some really good ones.
Speaker 1: I was talking about where he got tackles for a loss,
Speaker 1: beat the tackle one on one. Then he had some
Speaker 1: on the back side. I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: I was and maybe that's this what he was being
Speaker 1: asked to do. I can't imagine, but he was running
Speaker 1: way underneath the blocks. I didn't understand it. So and
Speaker 1: if so, if I don't understand it and they're looking
Speaker 1: at the same thing, I can see why they would say, like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is he doing there? Lowest rated defensive
Speaker 1: player Tavin Bryant, No, he had low grade, but he's
Speaker 1: not the lowest. Yeah, he had a tough day. Donald
Speaker 1: Payne had thirteen tackles down the field. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: how about the here's a great stat for you, Pete.
Speaker 1: In eleven games, Miles Jack had sixty six tackles. I
Speaker 1: think it is over three games, Donald Payne has forty
Speaker 1: three tackles. Yeah, but he's not playing well. But just
Speaker 1: think that through for a second. I know, you know
Speaker 1: who else had a bad game and he got a
Speaker 1: pin done here too, And I could see it on
Speaker 1: the TV. I didn't see the tape yet, but Ronnie
Speaker 1: Harrison was bad. Ronnie Harrison did not have a good game.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wasn't flying around either. The tight
Speaker 1: end was running past him a lot. But he wasn't
Speaker 1: flying around, getting up there and making tackles. I Jared
Speaker 1: Wilson had a good game. I thought Jarald Wilson played well,
Speaker 1: good great, missed one tackle on what tyrone was Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a like at the beginning, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, come on, Jared, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: It was awful. But the rest of the game, I
Speaker 1: thought he played well. I thought he played once again,
Speaker 1: Hayden played well. Haydon played well. A J was just okay.
Speaker 1: Um they gave him, they gave a j a good grade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was just okay. What do you think
Speaker 1: of Colletro? You know, he's in the right spot. I
Speaker 1: mean he has some limitation athletically, but he is in
Speaker 1: the right spot at the right I mean he is
Speaker 1: a smart football player. I'll give him that. You know
Speaker 1: who they said had a good game, Leon Jacobs. I
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of snaps, but yeah, you had
Speaker 1: some plays, made some real sure tackles, And I agree
Speaker 1: with that. Playing the strong Jacobs played ted more snaps
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen did. Yeah, let's touch on the a
Speaker 1: f C South. What about the where they I want
Speaker 1: to just we did the offensive line. What about the
Speaker 1: skill guys for the offense. The highest rated was Healing
Speaker 1: Cole okay uh. Leonard Fournett was the next highest rated.
Speaker 1: They gave Minshew a negative grade, They gave Conley a
Speaker 1: negative grade, and they gave Westbrook a pretty big negative grade.
Speaker 1: Calmly in a negative grade with two touchdowns? Huh? Yes,
Speaker 1: well he got run blocking. They gave him a negative
Speaker 1: that's the only reason. Does he not block outside, Tony? No,
Speaker 1: he was blocking. He had called for a block in
Speaker 1: the back. That was well, you hit him in the
Speaker 1: Back's probably he was aggressive for you, Tony. This will
Speaker 1: be interesting. They gave ben Koyak a positive grade and
Speaker 1: he got it because of his run blocking. Um, I
Speaker 1: didn't focus on it like so he didn't stand at
Speaker 1: as bad. So okay, let's let's look at the a
Speaker 1: FC South. Are you okay? Are you gonna survive? He's
Speaker 1: getting all choked up talking about his off as alignment
Speaker 1: on here. Sorry, the scores got got him the p
Speaker 1: f F grade. Yesterday the Texans over the Titans. One
Speaker 1: carlos Hi had another hundred yard day and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Still has had a couple of touchdowns that would I
Speaker 1: thought the Titans win that game. Of course, the Jacks
Speaker 1: were the Raiders tonight Colts on the Monday Night Football preview.
Speaker 1: That one coming up. But yeah, the the Texans are
Speaker 1: in command now in the a f C South. Well,
Speaker 1: they play again against each other. If if the Titans
Speaker 1: went out in Houston one, No, if Houston loses, um
Speaker 1: so pete. This is the question. So if Houston loses two, uh,
Speaker 1: let's say they win tamp beat Tampa, but then they
Speaker 1: lose to the Titans. They have the same conference record,
Speaker 1: the same division record, and so does it it must
Speaker 1: go to common opponents or something. No, the division record
Speaker 1: is used to us. That's right there. Two and three.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was thinking they need Tennessee needs Houston
Speaker 1: to lose both games. The bottom line those if Tennessee
Speaker 1: wins the next two, they're in the wild They're the
Speaker 1: wild card team over Pittsburgh. I'm pretty sure that's the
Speaker 1: case based on tie breakers. I think no, Pitts. All
Speaker 1: Pittfer guts to do is win two in the last three,
Speaker 1: and they were a wild card team, so they lost
Speaker 1: last night. So if they win the next two, there
Speaker 1: the wild card teams, so they get in over Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I'm tiebreakers and tiebreakers and all that. Yeah, Bill's clinch.
Speaker 1: They're already in a playoff berth at least at ten
Speaker 1: and four. By the way, one quick thing, JP, if
Speaker 1: you're the Raymonds in Week seventeen and you've clinched everything,
Speaker 1: do you rest guys and if the Steelers beaches they're
Speaker 1: in and then you want your division rifle in? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the best for your team moving into the playoffs?
Speaker 1: What would you do, Tony? I wasn't paying attention to
Speaker 1: the Ravens if they clinch. If they clinch and they
Speaker 1: can rest guys in Week seven, team when they play
Speaker 1: the Steelers, do you rest your guys and allow the
Speaker 1: your division rival to get into the playoffs? Uh? I
Speaker 1: think they'd rather play the Steelers in the playoffs in
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, so you let them in. Well, who
Speaker 1: would you rather? I'd rather play the Titans than I'd
Speaker 1: rather play this. I mean, rather play the Steelers in
Speaker 1: the Titans. Just from the quarterback, Ryan Tannial is better
Speaker 1: than Dug Down? Do you have an AFC South? The
Speaker 1: Jags are done, They're not going to the postseason. We're
Speaker 1: back in a moment. Are you sure that that graphics right?
Speaker 1: I thought the Raiders were eliminated yesterday. No they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not officially we are. You're questioning the accuracy of
Speaker 1: the graphics. I was, okay, I did. Sorry, Well, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I was, and I can admit when we're wrong. It's
Speaker 1: not very often, so it's easy for me to admit
Speaker 1: when I'm wrong because us I'm right. Let's come back
Speaker 1: in a moment, we'll recap the rest of the games
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Speaker 1: who's going to go for the wind. First off, Molly
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Speaker 1: what are we like the show? I'm trying to fit strong.
Speaker 1: What was wrong with the first hour and minutes? I
Speaker 1: thought I had to carry peat, so it was tough
Speaker 1: and tired. Oh my god, Tony was it? Is it
Speaker 1: worse than it was when you were there? What the
Speaker 1: Colosseum when you play there, there's there's more weed now,
Speaker 1: but no worse. It might be nicer because I think
Speaker 1: people are probably nicer when they spoke weed than get
Speaker 1: really drunk. And they used to be really drunk. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a non scientific opinion. So well, isn't weed legal
Speaker 1: in California? It is now, but it wasn't back when
Speaker 1: I was playing. No, I know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: why I said I think they're nicer now because back
Speaker 1: then there's all really drunk. Now, like half of them
Speaker 1: are really intoxicated from the weed. I don't know. Judgment
Speaker 1: by the middle fingers. You guys all say they've been choosing,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they were much nicer. Well, we
Speaker 1: got the middle fingers back then too. I was number
Speaker 1: one back then. That was popular. Let's go around the
Speaker 1: other games of the National Football League. Get this week.
Speaker 1: Let's start back on Thursday. The Ravens do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was there. Lamar Jackson is fabulous. Jets aren't very good,
Speaker 1: but This is when you know a players really special,
Speaker 1: like the Jets would have the perfect defense called being
Speaker 1: the perfect position defensive and sitting on the zone read
Speaker 1: there one on one to make a tackle, add no chance,
Speaker 1: no chance to tackle him. He's just gonna go right
Speaker 1: around and he's make a little move. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: sitting there holding your jock and he's gonna be running
Speaker 1: down the sideline. He is a special player. Does it
Speaker 1: change when he can't run the way he runs? I'll
Speaker 1: let you know when that happens. But right now he
Speaker 1: can No I know, but you know I saw a
Speaker 1: stat where his receivers are like open more than any
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. And it's not because they're great receivers.
Speaker 1: It is because of his ability to run the football well.
Speaker 1: He's operating better and better from the pocket. So if
Speaker 1: he keeps upproven, obviously his athletic ability will slow down
Speaker 1: as he gets older. But if his pocket presence and
Speaker 1: his pocket effectiveness increases at the rate it did from
Speaker 1: your one two year two, which probably won't go up
Speaker 1: that much, but if he keeps them going down the
Speaker 1: right direction, the kid loves football. The kid works very hard.
Speaker 1: Um I think he's gonna be I think he's a
Speaker 1: good He's a very good player. He's m v P.
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one Mahomes or Jackson for
Speaker 1: the long haul, which one you take it? I would
Speaker 1: still take Mahomes. It's just I like, you know, more
Speaker 1: traditional way of playing quarterback. But I couldn't argue with
Speaker 1: anyone if they took Lamaren Jackson. He's the better player.
Speaker 1: He's the He's the better player this year. Yeah. Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson two touchdown passes twenty six passing in that game.
Speaker 1: Carson had a couple of touchdowns on the ground. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks beat the Panthers four. You know, the Panthers made
Speaker 1: a late run, but Seattle control that game most of
Speaker 1: the time. Pete, from what I saw, we saw the
Speaker 1: first time the number one. They are the number one seed.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna come down they play each other here.
Speaker 1: Is it this week or is it the last week
Speaker 1: of this week? Next week they play each other. It's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to that game. Whoever wins that games win.
Speaker 1: In the West, the forty Niners play the Rams this week.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals play the Seahawks in the next week. The
Speaker 1: two teams played. Yeah, so it's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: that game. Patriots defense had a big day over the Bengals.
Speaker 1: What do you make of all this video controversy? Peak again,
Speaker 1: I go back to I mean, it's it looks like
Speaker 1: they did it, But why would you do it? If
Speaker 1: you could just send somebody in the front row with
Speaker 1: a camera on the phone and video tape signals if
Speaker 1: you wanted to, I don't know. Just look, I think
Speaker 1: they've done stuff in the past, Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I just think this one the common sense would tell
Speaker 1: you that why would you do it? I don't think
Speaker 1: that stupid. I don't think Bill Belichick, with the football
Speaker 1: side of this, of the New England Patriots, had anything
Speaker 1: to do with this production team any benefit from it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know about it. I think it was
Speaker 1: a project they were trying to do, you know, for
Speaker 1: other purposes, uh uh, throughout the organization, and I think
Speaker 1: it's nonsense and it's nothing to do with what's happening
Speaker 1: on the field. Buccaneers seven and seven. Now the win
Speaker 1: over the Lions thirty eight seventeen. They have a big choice.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston has thirty touchdowns this year, but he has
Speaker 1: twenty three interceptions through four touchdowns, one pick, four hundred
Speaker 1: fifty yards like the first player in a long time
Speaker 1: to have back to back games with four hundred fifty
Speaker 1: plus uh in passing. When it's good, it's really good.
Speaker 1: But Boye picks beats way too many plus eleven fumbles
Speaker 1: in the pocket. But Tony, if they're offensive line is
Speaker 1: better and they're better on defense, then he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to throw as much and pressed as much. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know how that is. That defense for much of
Speaker 1: the last couple of years has been awful. So you're
Speaker 1: pressing and playing from behind, you're gonna turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: So are you gonna pay him a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars over five years? No, I'm gonna tag him.
Speaker 1: I agree. Packers over the Bears, Green Bay now eleven
Speaker 1: and three. I mean, the Bears struggle on offense, they're
Speaker 1: a good defense, they're a good football team. The quarterbacks
Speaker 1: not consistent. If I didn't see any any of the game,
Speaker 1: just saw the statistics and kind of final score. But
Speaker 1: my takeaway from not watching it it wasn't pretty. That's
Speaker 1: another game where the Packers had it in hand for
Speaker 1: much of the game and and let the Bears get
Speaker 1: back into it late. Big game this week though, Packers
Speaker 1: and Vikings Kings that Monday night. Yes speaking of the Vikings,
Speaker 1: they beat the Chargers thirty nine to ten yesterday. I
Speaker 1: ain't the Chargers have a very interesting offseason coming up
Speaker 1: what they do with Philip Rivers because he is not
Speaker 1: playing good football this year. Peat, I think he's gonna retire.
Speaker 1: That's just my gun. I haven't heard that from anybody.
Speaker 1: I just get it. It just has that look about
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna play next year. In the
Speaker 1: snow and Kansas City, the Chiefs over the Broncos three.
Speaker 1: You know, Drew, It was Drew Luck's homecoming and he
Speaker 1: didn't play very well from the brief parts of the
Speaker 1: game I saw on the overall, you know, kind of outcome.
Speaker 1: But I think Drew Luck has a chance to be
Speaker 1: a pretty good player. And what I say Drew Luck,
Speaker 1: Drew Luck, that meant Lock sorry lost cousin of yeah
Speaker 1: and uh yeah. Anyways, I think you know Pete, I
Speaker 1: think he has a chance too. He was terrible yesterday, terrible,
Speaker 1: but bad weather. You know one thing seven you know
Speaker 1: this Spagnola they say it would take some time with
Speaker 1: Spagnola's defense, and it's they're getting better playing in that
Speaker 1: defense again. They got Drurell Suggs. I mean, is that
Speaker 1: gonna help him, Pete, he's kind of old, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he can still rush when you know, a situational rusher,
Speaker 1: you know, help We'll see. I'm not great player. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it's gonna help him. Giants over the Dolphins
Speaker 1: thirty six to twenty. Eli Manning probably his last home
Speaker 1: game in New York. Yeah, it was nice to see
Speaker 1: him go out that way too. I like he did
Speaker 1: some really good things. They gave him standing ovation. He's
Speaker 1: probably gonna go into the Hall of Fame. But that
Speaker 1: he knows it's over. It's done. The other guys their
Speaker 1: quarterback and he on another team next year. Pete, I
Speaker 1: don't see. I think he's another retiree, don't you. Eagles
Speaker 1: over the Redskins thirty seven in Washington, setting up a
Speaker 1: big game. The NFC East will be decided this weekend
Speaker 1: between the Cowboys and the Eagles. It's incredible. It is
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible that those teams who have played so poorly
Speaker 1: at times during the season will be the two teams
Speaker 1: that one of those two teams are going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Cowboys beat the ram Rams are done. They got major issues,
Speaker 1: they have cap issues. They you know, they've struggled all year.
Speaker 1: Offensive line started playing better. They put the young guys
Speaker 1: in there. They're not one week on defense are great,
Speaker 1: but I've been sold on the defense all year. What
Speaker 1: does McVeigh do with Wade Phillips? Does he bring him back?
Speaker 1: I mean they go, They're gonna have a tough offseason
Speaker 1: because the cap issues and uh so deciding who the
Speaker 1: hen They don't have any draft picks either. Jaxonville has
Speaker 1: their draft pick. That's a good that's a good loss
Speaker 1: for me right now. Um, there's what twelve teams go
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. That's twenty teams. The best case, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have the twentieth pick. We need them to lose
Speaker 1: out and get to like fifteen. H Cardinal Jexual didn't
Speaker 1: do itself any favors by winning yesterday either Cardinals over
Speaker 1: the Browns. That was a surprising one. I think that
Speaker 1: sealed the fate for Freddy Kitchens. I would agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think he's done. And it wasn't even that closed
Speaker 1: by the way, Dodel Backham back in Cleveland. Pete, he's hurt.
Speaker 1: He can't run. Tony, he's hurt. He's gotta have I
Speaker 1: think he's gotta have um groin surgery. He can't run.
Speaker 1: I don't know who who trade for him? Would you
Speaker 1: want to? I'm not sure. Falcons over the Niners on
Speaker 1: the last play of the game. That was shocking. I
Speaker 1: did not see Atlanta going to San Francisco beating that team. No,
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you what. They played good defensively
Speaker 1: in that game, which you know, would be interesting to
Speaker 1: see if that carries over. They've played much better on
Speaker 1: defense the last couple, you know, four or five weeks
Speaker 1: after they got Dan Quinn away from the defense and
Speaker 1: let Raheem Morris and those guys called the defense. How
Speaker 1: they played this week? And you look at San Francisco
Speaker 1: back to back really tough games. They went to Baltimore, left,
Speaker 1: lost a really close game at the end, physical game,
Speaker 1: beat New Orleans, tough game on the road, back to
Speaker 1: back tough road games. Come home, but they lost. They
Speaker 1: lost their center, starting center, Rich Richburg. I mean, they
Speaker 1: lost some guys and Sherman. I mean, so this is
Speaker 1: a team that is not healthy or even close to
Speaker 1: it going into the playoff. The Bills. It's amazing though
Speaker 1: you fall from one to five. You go from having
Speaker 1: the home field advantage all the way through this week
Speaker 1: and then you lose, and now you're a five seat
Speaker 1: going on the road and switch again next week. It
Speaker 1: could Bills beat the Steelers, Bills secure the playoff spot.
Speaker 1: Seventeen ten the final on Sunday Night Football. It's Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football tonight. The six and seven Indianapolis Colts are
Speaker 1: on live support, trying to keep any hope alive for
Speaker 1: the a f C wild Card race. Jacobe Proscett leads
Speaker 1: them into the super Dome the face Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: the weapons of the NFC South champion New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: It's allowed one in the Dome. Who you got tonight?
Speaker 1: I got New Orleans. I mean, I think, I think
Speaker 1: a better team and I think, you know, the Colts.
Speaker 1: I can't figure out they're up and down. They've got
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. I like the roster a lot
Speaker 1: present has to be a little bit better. But they
Speaker 1: just uh, I think they lost this on the Thursday
Speaker 1: night game in Houston when they were controlling that game
Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter, stopped running it and UH
Speaker 1: ended up losing a game they should have won. And
Speaker 1: the quarterback hasn't played as well. You know that he
Speaker 1: got hurt. That's right, beat with you. I like the Saints,
Speaker 1: great show. I have a great week. We'll talk all right, guys,
Speaker 1: take care of talk to you next week. Pete Prisco,
Speaker 1: CBS Sports Senior writer, Tony Vaselli prior to the Jaguars
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