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Speaker 1: first ever live show at the Tara Theater in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Georgia on November seventh. Ticket information is available at all

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Speaker 1: of our social media sites. We are at I Saw

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Speaker 1: Pod on Instagram, Blue Sky, Twitter and Facebook. Be there,

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Speaker 1: don't be square, be round and soft and at our show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 2: You Did.

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Speaker 3: My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Henderson, and we're the.

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Speaker 2: Film podcast that comes on pretty much every week.

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Speaker 1: You're like kinda kinda every week twice sometimes twice a week,

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Speaker 1: but that is that is changing. I think we should

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Speaker 1: let the folks know that we have we have an

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Speaker 3: We do so we are in a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: In a couple of weeks, we will be signing off

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Speaker 2: on I Saw What You Did.

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Speaker 1: We are okay, ending the podcast on November twenty sixth.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you know, obviously like not the greatest news.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is a shock to some of y'all, but.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's it's time, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 1: I agree? I think that we started this podcast four

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Speaker 1: We're not ending because we're not having fun with it.

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Speaker 1: But our lives are really different now, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing I want to stress. And

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm like stoked talking to neighbors down the street,

436
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Speaker 1: like you need someone to shuck your corn or like

437
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Speaker 1: harvest your wheat, like I don't know what.

438
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Speaker 3: To do.

439
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Speaker 1: Harvest for wheat, Teach me how to use the thresher,

440
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Speaker 1: like I didn't. I was really uncertain about whether. And

441
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Speaker 1: it's every industry I work in, so oh, you could

442
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Speaker 1: just write a book while publishing is in the same oh,

443
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Speaker 1: the same tank.

444
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, gotta be honest, podcasting is too.

445
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: Everything in anything entertainment related is in the tank. I mean,

446
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: I can't even think of an industry that's probably not

447
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: in the tank right now, except for maybe pharmaceuticals.

448
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: I don't know absolutely, but and they're probably due for

449
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: some reckoning.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally right. Well, listen, I'm so extremely proud of you.

451
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: I'm happy.

452
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: The vibe is amazing. I'm loving this. I'm loving this,

453
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: like return to la positivity.

454
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: Like we're working, we're you.

455
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: Know, on a good note here with the pod. We

456
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: got fun coming up live shows and the future which

457
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: is so exciting.

458
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Speaker 1: It's so exciting. And I just I love you. I

459
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: love you so much, you.

460
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Speaker 3: Too, and you know, I mean, we're still gonna talk

461
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Speaker 3: all the time.

462
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: Even though we don't talk on Mike and talk about,

463
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: like you know, poops and pen chalks a lot and

464
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: things of that nature, We'll still talk.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we are talking about poop and pen socks

466
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Speaker 1: a lot for sure. First combo is actually, when we

467
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Speaker 1: stopped recording today, I was going to call you and

468
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: be like, poop penshot.

469
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Speaker 2: We're gonna call the text group poop and pen chalks

470
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 2: a lot and change the change the avatar to Sean

471
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Speaker 2: Wick or something.

472
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's too true. And I'm looking so forward

473
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: to this live show. So just to wrap up live

474
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: show Tara Theater in Atlanta. I believe it's start at

475
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: the seven thirty check the website. Get your tickets at

476
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: the Tara Theater website this Thursday, November seventh. You can

477
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: also keep up with us individually. I have a substack

478
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: called Orgasms and Revenge, and my only social media is

479
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: my Instagram, which is just my name, Daniel Henderson, So

480
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: you can keep up with us individually. Millie, you also

481
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: have a substack.

482
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's called Professional Sweetheart, and I am mostly on Instagram, but.

483
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Speaker 3: I I'm I'm still on Twitter and things. I don't

484
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: know why.

485
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: Of course I'm on TikTok, but I don't use it.

486
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: I just look.

487
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: I don't publish, I just look. I'm a lurker.

488
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know, I'm working on some stuff

489
00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: like doing some live events in Atlanta, and you know,

490
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: like I said, might be doing a new podcast.

491
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: Trying to figure that out right now.

492
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: So maybe next year sometime there might be something new

493
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: for me, like in the film world.

494
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, follow her socials so you could get

495
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: be the first person for any announcements of when that's happening. Yeah,

496
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm psyched. I've got a TV show, possibly

497
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: have a TV show coming out, a film and a

498
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: book next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm really happy that we're in a good

500
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: spot and I'm really happy about you know, our podcast

501
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: and and and the things that we've done over the

502
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: past four years.

503
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 3: Honestly could not imagine doing it to anybody else.

504
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: So at all. And thank all of you. Our audience

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: has been great, and thank you for telling your friends

506
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: to listen. Don't stop listening. We still have new episodes

507
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah, but thank all of you for being

508
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: here with us. You've made it so much more fun.

509
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely speaking of.

510
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 4: Fun not my movie this week, not mine either, Okay,

511
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: So on that note, we're gonna get into our episode

512
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: theme and this was your idea?

513
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, why don't you tell people what the theme is?

514
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: Our theme this week is meditations on aging HM meditations

515
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: interesting to look at aging on screen, and we've chosen

516
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: some pretty great representations of that. I think, Yeah, no,

517
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: this is exciting. I've been wanting to talk about a

518
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: movie for a very long time, and I have just

519
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: become re.

520
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: Obsessed with it over the past six months eight months.

521
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Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about my casting call for A

522
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: Shitty Little Vampire, and I can't help her feel like,

523
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: ubconsciously this was this movie was in.

524
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: The back of my mind. I don't know why, but yeah.

525
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: And then of course with your film.

526
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: It's so funny because the like I thought I had

527
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: never seen it, which was so embarrassing, but then the

528
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: minute it came on, I was like, oh, I saw

529
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: this when it came out, and oh my god.

530
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: It's so good.

531
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Speaker 1: It is so good, it's so tender, it's so interesting

532
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: by a filmmaker that I love. That we've already talked

533
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: about on the pod quite a bit. But yeah, it's

534
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: really really good episode this week, and you're going first.

535
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: I am so without further ado, let's get into these movies.

536
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: So my movie for the theme Meditations on Aging is

537
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: from twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: It was written and.

539
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Speaker 2: Directed by the goat Jim Jarmish, and it's called Only

540
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Speaker 2: Lovers Left Alive.

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Speaker 1: It's the way they treat the world. I know they've

542
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: succeeded in contaminating their own blood, never mind their.

543
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: Water, Oly love us Left Alive.

544
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Speaker 1: I don't you know that they got Ethel Murman to

545
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: sing the song, the theme song for that movie. I

546
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't know that that was quite the pull from Jarvish.

547
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was like, you know what I envision

548
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: is a little like you know, song and dance number

549
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: with Marilyn Monroe and uh, you know, she's a vampire

550
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: and she's walking down a staircase and suitcase and she's like,

551
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm the only love left alive.

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Speaker 3: This movie is like pretty much the absolute opposite of

553
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: that vibe when she.

554
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Said opposite of that, which is what I think of

555
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: laughing so hard.

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00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this have we ever talked about Jim Jarmish?

557
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Have we done jas? I don't think we've done a

558
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: movie of his before, though I know we could have

559
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: done all of them. I don't remember.

560
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: We dissociate every time, so we don't know.

561
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we've mentioned him, of course, but I

562
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: don't know.

563
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: We've Yeah, we've definitely mentioned him.

564
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: He is a big hero of mine for a very

565
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: long time. He was one of the first directors that

566
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: I got into when I was in high school, and

567
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: I was, you know, kind of like.

568
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: Moving into these like cinophile worlds.

569
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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's that's pretty common for people

570
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: our age, is that I feel like he was kind

571
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: of one of the first people that you figure out

572
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: when you like.

573
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: Go to film school for the first time or whatever. Right.

574
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: I The first movie ever saw from him was his

575
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: movie Stranger Than Paradise, and I absolutely we fell in

576
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: love with it, like I thought. I mean by that,

577
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean by that point I hadn't really seen much

578
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: I guess independent cinema maybe, And you know, that whole

579
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: the vibe of the movie, the actors who were musicians,

580
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: black and white. It's kind of a road movie and

581
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: you know, screaming Jay Hawkins like all this stuff. I

582
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: was like totally under its spell, right, and then of course.

583
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: I think the next movie I saw was Down by Law,

584
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: very similar, Like you know, John Lurie stars in that

585
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: one too, and Tom Waits and you know, it's so

586
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: it's that thing where I was like, I felt like

587
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: I had fallen into a world that he kind of

588
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: has and still has where I think it's like he

589
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, obviously employs a lot of non actors or

590
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: musicians as actors.

591
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: There's always kind of this like rock and roll feeling.

592
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: And I'm including this movie, which, yeah, you know, I think,

593
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: and this.

594
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Is my opinion. I don't know what you think, but

595
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: but this was like one of his best movies that

596
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: he had done in a while.

597
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think that it's also it's interesting

598
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: to me, as someone who's been following his career for

599
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: so long, to see the growth that has happened, not

600
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: just in his storytelling and in his ability as a director,

601
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: but that he's been given bigger and bigger budgets, which

602
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: he's done more and more with. So the fact that

603
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: this movie looks so amazingly good is also I think

604
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: it's one of his best looking movies of all time.

605
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, And you know, it took him

606
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: a while to get the funding for it, but eventually

607
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: he did.

608
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: I think initially it was supposed to have been Telda.

609
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: Swinton and Michael Fassbender, and then of course Michael Fassbender

610
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: was replaced by Tom Hittleston at some point.

611
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: But Bessbender was like, oh, I don't get to show

612
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: my wang in this. Forget it.

613
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't get to play a absolute creepy weirdo.

614
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, well, listen, we love him, We

615
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: love Michael Fassbender.

616
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: On this podcast we talked Abouthim a lot, but his role, yeah,

617
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: it felt like even though he would be playing a vampire,

618
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: technically it wasn't dark enough for him.

619
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: He was like, I gotta go creepier.

620
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: The thing about Jim Jarmish, you know again, I want

621
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: to kind of stress this because I feel like this

622
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: is like what is this is what the movie's about.

623
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: So like Jim Jarmish was like, you know, a big

624
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: fixture of this kind of like no way like late

625
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies downtown New York scene, right, And there's a

626
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: lot of people that are kind of tucked into that scene.

627
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: And it's not just filmmakers, but it's artists, it's musicians,

628
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, like you know James Chance and Amos Poe

629
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: and like, you know all these people that were kind

630
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: of existing in this like artistic space in New York.

631
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: And and I think that that is what infuses his movies.

632
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: Honestly, is just like his kind of punk rock past,

633
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: if you will.

634
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: And uh, this film feels like the meditation from like

635
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: the elder punk Statesman, you know what I mean. Like

636
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: knowing what we know about him, knowing where he comes from,

637
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: knowing his vibe, knowing his previous movies. You're like, Okay,

638
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: so this is his Like I'm looking back on my

639
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: life and this is how I am. I'm like an

640
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: older punk. Now what do I feel? How do I

641
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: navigate the world right? And I think that really affects

642
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: me because when I first saw this movie, I loved it.

643
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but I was this was like

644
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: over ten years ago. And now that I'm older, I'm like, ho, fuck,

645
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: this hits in a way different way.

646
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially this kind of lethargy about what captures

647
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: your interest. Now.

648
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, my eyes just got really big when you said

649
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 5: Millie's soul just left her body, Like Yo, that's profound.

650
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: Didn't mean to ruin your life.

651
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: But no, listen, I love getting wrecked specifically by you

652
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: on this podcast, So it's no, I actually enjoy it.

653
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: I enjoy the like deeply profound thought experiment the podcast.

654
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: But it's true and this I think it enhances that

655
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: what you were saying about being kind of an elder

656
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: statesman of your life and of your the genre that

657
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: you're familiar, that you are known in and most famous

658
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: were possibly is that you get to reflect. You know,

659
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: you don't always have to wait till the end of

660
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: your life to reflect. I think it's actually useful to

661
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: reflect on your life at multiple stages. But it's I

662
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: can I can see those those mechanisms at work here too,

663
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: and I liked it. I liked it a lot well.

664
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: Part of hopefully this isn't too much of a tangent,

665
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna I gotta say it because it's front

666
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: of mine. Part of I think what aging has been

667
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: for me most recently and maybe why I've wanted to

668
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: kind of live in this world or like rewatch this

669
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: film and think about this film lately, is that I

670
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: I've talked about this on previous episodes, especially in regards

671
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: to TikTok, right, because I'm just like I'm this, you know,

672
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: now middle aged person who had a cool.

673
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Life, it continues to have a cool life, does cool things.

674
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: You know.

675
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: I was very much into like music and movies my

676
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: entire life.

677
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I've done a lot of things, and

678
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm proud of what I've done, and like now I

679
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: think I'm at this point where I'm like, Okay, so

680
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: now you're in in the world as a person who

681
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: has this past, and I don't want to I say

682
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: the word legacy. I'm not trying to, you know, be

683
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: like pompous about it. I'm just saying legacy just because

684
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: it's the word, right, And you're like, who am I

685
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: in relation to like the younger people?

686
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: Like who?

687
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: Like when I meet people, you know, do they know

688
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: who I am? Do they?

689
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: You know?

690
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: Like I use this example in school because you know,

691
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm with I'm always accessing young people and you know,

692
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: either I'm teaching or I'm taking classes alongside of them,

693
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: and I'm always like, there's so much younger than me,

694
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: like early like late teens, early twenties a.

695
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: Lot of times, and I'm like, who do they think

696
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: I am?

697
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: Am? I?

698
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: Like a weird old lady that like teaches the class

699
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: or do they know that I used to be like

700
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: or that I do film stuff like what what is

701
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: the reference for like the stuff that I've done? And

702
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: so sometimes like people can get really caught up in

703
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: thinking about that where they're just like obsessed with like

704
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: how they are with young people and like whether or

705
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: not they're cool, and like, you know, they're constantly like telling.

706
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: Younger people like, oh, guess what are you to do this?

707
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: And then I was this and like you don't know anything.

708
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: I was fucking jumping off of speakers and the fucking

709
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: you know, Woodstock ninety nine and you know whatever. Like

710
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to be that person where I'm

711
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: constantly like shoving my legacy down younger people's throats, right,

712
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: but I also am like I question, like, you know, well,

713
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: what's the appropriate amount of like vibe to bring to

714
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: the young folks?

715
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: You know?

716
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: And then you could also be completely misanthropic, like the

717
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: people in this.

718
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: Film absolutely that they're just like fuck everything that exists.

719
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: Now we are we're locking ourselves away and we know

720
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: we're awesome, and but we can't relate to any of

721
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: those folks.

722
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: We could not share our awesomeness with anyone. Yeah, and

723
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: we haven't been able to for century.

724
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

725
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting too since since I just recently

726
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: started a new job with people I haven't met. I

727
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: only knew one person. I've worked with one person in

728
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: the room before, but it's like eight brand new people

729
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: that I have never met before. And I'm kind of

730
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: finding that in rejoy have, you know, and introducing yourself

731
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: to someone. And we're in a room where we're telling

732
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: stories of our lives all day and kind of making

733
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: as we make up stories and it's kind of an

734
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: interesting elder stateswoman move that I'll just kind of casually

735
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: mention something that I've done and everyone's like what, Yes.

736
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm like like, yeah, I lived in Alaska for four

737
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: years and.

738
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: They're like what the fuck?

739
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I did this, Yeah, I've

740
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: got a master's degree. Yeah I did that. And it's

741
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: just like, you know, kind of mentioning things as a

742
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: one off. Yeah, And it's me not because it's to me,

743
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. It's just like, that's what

744
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I've done has really kind of forced me. Their reactions

745
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: have forced me to reconsider that, like, oh maybe if

746
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: I did take stock right now, I'd realize that, like

747
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I have done a lot of cool shit, and I

748
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: have I don't know how I'm perceived, but I have

749
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: to think about myself in a cool way. I guess, yeah,

750
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: because you.

751
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Don't want to be ashamed of things that you've done.

752
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, like your fucking incredible boss, bitch. Like

753
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: it's just that feeling of like there's no need to

754
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: hide that were cool, you know, But there is a

755
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: moment where I'm just like, I don't.

756
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: I guess I just don't want to be the person.

757
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: That's just like, you know, like constantly having to defend

758
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: their cool life or something to young people, because it's exhausting,

759
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: quite honestly, and we had done so much of that

760
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: in our twenties and thirties because we were women, women

761
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: of color in these fields where we were constantly having

762
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: to assert our knowledge and our passion and our talent

763
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: that at some point, I'm just like, God, damn, I'm

764
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: so fucking tired of like proving myself or telling people

765
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: that I do things Like can I just live? Can

766
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: I just like walk into a room and be comfortable

767
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: with it. But it's hard because some of these kids

768
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: to talk to you in any kind of way like

769
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: let me be let me be the first to tell you.

770
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: Like the other day, I was on a shoot with

771
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: some folks and they were much younger than me, like

772
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: much much younger than me. And I have not told

773
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: these students that I do this podcast. I haven't told

774
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: them that I wrote a book. I haven't told them

775
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: pretty much anything because I'm just like, where's the time,

776
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: Like I just don't want to be that person yet.

777
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: And it's just very early days anyway, so we're just

778
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: trying to get to know each other.

779
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: But you know, the ways that they.

780
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Were kind of like I had to like bite my

781
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: tongue because they were just basically like treating me as

782
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: if I was like a PA or something like that.

783
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, at some point over the course

784
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: of the several days of the shoot, I just.

785
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Casually say to them, like I said something.

786
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Along the lines of, yeah, I promised myself that once

787
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I got to a certain point of my career that

788
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm not just gonna do shit for free all the

789
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: time in this like very debased way. And then they

790
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: were like, oh, you have a career, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,

791
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't tell you that.

792
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: Like I'm not just like.

793
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: A middle aged woman that wandered into a university and

794
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: just started taking classes film classes for the first time,

795
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it hit them that

796
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I have a past, I have

797
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: something to where I'm not just gonna run around like

798
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: fucking getting them coffee or.

799
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: Something, you know what I mean. And I'm like, huh, okay,

800
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: I got to the balance.

801
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I did just wander into a university, I

802
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't be taking this class like I'm here for a reason.

803
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: But I but.

804
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: I truly I held my tongue for a long time,

805
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: and then it was like at the very end where

806
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was like, well, I gotta

807
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: say something because these kids are talking to me in

808
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: any kind of way, yep, and I gotta I gotta

809
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: stand up for myself because I am tired and I

810
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: am not standing for fourteen hours today, like I've gotta

811
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: I gotta tell them what's up.

812
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I think that it's And I

813
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: can easily see how if people are talking to me

814
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: any old way, I would be very much the characters

815
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: in your film, like you just don't even deserve to

816
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: be around, my shine, I'm gonna put myself in a

817
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: room for one hundred and fifty five years.

818
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go drink my bag of blood and.

819
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: Flip a double bird to everyone outside of the window.

820
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

821
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: So like to that end, right, Like this movie is

822
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like a you know, a different

823
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: take on the kind of.

824
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: Classic vampire tale.

825
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 5: Right.

826
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: It's very funny, it's very meditative. I guess that's why

827
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: I picked it for the theme. But then there's you know,

828
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: elements of the kind of old kind of vampire mythology.

829
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: Right.

830
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: So, like I mentioned, Tilda Swinton and Tom Hidleston are

831
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: kind of stars the film. They are named Adam and Eve,

832
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: and they are vampires that have lived for centuries.

833
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: Right.

834
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: Adam, the Tom Hiddleston character, is living in a dilapidated

835
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: Victorian brownstone in Detroit. He is essentially a recluse.

836
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a musician. He's very intellectual.

837
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: You know, you look inside of his house and it's

838
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: just piles and piles of like vintage instruments, old recording equipment, books.

839
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: You know, you know, there's a wall in his hallway

840
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: that's like all of the greats, right, like his sort

841
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: of wall of fame, and it's just all these like

842
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: people from history and our culture and stuff. And he's

843
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: slightly suicidal. Actually, he's a lot suicidal. He's completely yeah, yeah, yeah,

844
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: he you know, it is.

845
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: Sort of like he's a misanthrope.

846
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, he's just constantly sort of bemoaning this

847
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: modern life. He locks himself away in his old vampire house.

848
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: You know, he hates technology. He's you know, complains about

849
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: sort of this like environmental decay, which I actually think

850
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: is a big part of the film, is sort of

851
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: like the ways in which we've like destroyed our environment.

852
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh and the way they comment on it, not just

853
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: in Detroit, but through human bodies, where like when they

854
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: talk about how blood is bad now because everything we

855
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: put in our bodies is bad for us. Now, yeah,

856
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: how is my how is the vampire supposed to survive

857
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: on microplastics? Y'all?

858
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, can't get that, can't get that in the drink.

859
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: And I think Detroit is quite is a quite obvious

860
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: perfect choice to kind of use as that the example

861
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: of this because it's like, you know, Detroit in that

862
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 3: way was you know, the former glory of the car

863
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: town and then it's now just sort of like in

864
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: ruins and you know, so there's a lot of messaging

865
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: about that about environmental k Right. So the interesting thing

866
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: is that you know, he's a musician, you know, and

867
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: he's kind of this like I don't know, I was

868
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: kind of thinking like more like a Brian Wilsony type

869
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: of person, where it's like he makes music, he never

870
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: goes out, but young musicians are like constantly trying to

871
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: access him, like they come to the house just to

872
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: try to catch a glimpse of him.

873
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: You know.

874
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a Howard Finstury Brian Wilsony type

875
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: of scenario.

876
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: Right.

877
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: There's a young man who is played by the actor

878
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Antony Yelchin, who peace, Oh my god.

879
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: I yeah.

880
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: I like the last time I was in La actually

881
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: was at Hollywood Forever, the cemetery where his you know,

882
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: his memorial is, and it just reminded me like how

883
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: short and wonderful his life was. And it's just sad

884
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: that you know, he had a he died by accident.

885
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he was twenty seven years old, and he

886
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: was terrible accident. He was like, basically like his car

887
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: sort of pinned him against his own house, right, I

888
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: mean that's kind of what happened. Yeah, there's a lot

889
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: of there's details about it online obviously, but yeah, when

890
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: I saw him again, I was like, oh God, I

891
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: miss him.

892
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: God.

893
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: He was a very dynamic young actor who I think

894
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: would have done amazing. He did amazing things in his

895
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: short life, would have continued to really blow us away.

896
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, very sad.

897
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: But in this movie he plays a character named Ian,

898
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: and Ian is kind of like Adam's only link to.

899
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: The outside world, right, and Ian, you know, he looks

900
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: kind of like Kurt Vile, the musician Kurt Vile. You now,

901
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: it's like strong hair.

902
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 2: Kind of a rocker, and he comes to the house

903
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: and kind of procures Adam like vintage guitars and anything

904
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: else that might want, including a wooden bullet at one point,

905
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: because again, Adam is suicidal, so he's like, go get

906
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: me a wooden bullet because I'm a vampire.

907
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: Right.

908
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Ian is the weirdest plug of all time.

909
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ian is like the hipster vampire plug to

910
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: end all.

911
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: So so you know at.

912
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Very early on in the film, like Adam is alone

913
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: in Detroit and Eve his wife is living in Tangier, right,

914
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: and they're kind of living separate lives.

915
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: You know.

916
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: She's like, I know he's depressed.

917
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: I know you know he's a misanthrope and whatever, but

918
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: we're kind of living separately. And then they connect one

919
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: night because he's just like, I need you, like, come

920
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: see me, you know, and she's just like, are you serious,

921
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: Like I hate flying to you, you know, but he's like,

922
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: you gotta come, you gotta come.

923
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: See me, like you know, which it has never really

924
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: explained why they're living apart, but you get that it's

925
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: because they're just even though they're married and they've been

926
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: together for hundreds of years. Yeah, sometimes they need that break.

927
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't. Look what do I always say? I

928
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: don't want you in my face all the time. Imagine

929
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: being a fucking vampire. You gotta sometimes put an ocean

930
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: between you.

931
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that is.

932
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: I think one of the most interesting components of the

933
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: film is that they have been together forever they're vampires,

934
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: hundreds of years.

935
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Three weddings.

936
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: Their relationship is so embedded that they can live on

937
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: opposite sides of.

938
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: The world, and exactly.

939
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: It actually is so beautiful to me that like they

940
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: call each other and just be like, all right, I

941
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: need you to come see me, and she just does.

942
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: She gets on a plane overnight because they can't travel

943
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: during the day they're vampires, and it's very very sweet

944
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: like when she shows up and they kind of reconnect,

945
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I just was like, God, that

946
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: is so beautiful. Like I don't know why, I just

947
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: feel very that part of the movie is really affecting

948
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: to me. And then of course they're back together in Detroit,

949
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 2: and then you just really realize like, oh, they're this.

950
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: Like old punk rock couple.

951
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: M h.

952
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: Right, and this is where I think a little bit

953
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: of the jarmish kind of comes in.

954
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: Right, oh, because totally, because they've been punk rock through

955
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: every iteration. Like, but you know when they were I

956
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: think what's translated is when they were first starting out,

957
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, they were into Christopher Marlowe and not Shakespeare.

958
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: They were into like you know, they've always been on

959
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: the outskirts of the cultural relevance.

960
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I couldn't, like I swear the minute

961
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: I saw the movie again for the first time I

962
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: had to look up Sarah Driver, who is Jim Jarmish's

963
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: long term partner. She's also a filmmaker, and they have

964
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: had like a long relationship, and like I couldn't help

965
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: them think, oh, this is them, like this, this is

966
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: who they are. And and I don't know that for

967
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent fact, but it felt that way.

968
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: Right.

969
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: It's like this old, cool, punk rock New York couple

970
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: and this is how they live because they've been together forever,

971
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: and it was just it's just very sweet.

972
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: But so, you know, they're in they're in Detroit.

973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: They kind of are, you know, double down on this

974
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: like kind of insular existence. You know, they both can't

975
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: stand the modern world. They're listening to old records. They're

976
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: just kind of like together. Meanwhile, the way that they

977
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: like sustain their vampire livelihood is that basically Adam has

978
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 2: to go to the local hospital at night and get

979
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, bags of blood from a you know, a

980
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: I guess a scientist there is played by Jeffrey Wright

981
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: and is that right, Jeffrey right? Yeah, And you know

982
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: he's basically like, yo, who's the creep that comes in

983
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: and buys blood for me?

984
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 3: But you know, like this is the way it's.

985
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: Going to be because they can't feed on actual people

986
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: because again micro plastics and four locos and people's bloodstreams.

987
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: They're like.

988
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: Modern modern people are so poisoned by all of the

989
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: ship that they're like, we can't even risk it. We've

990
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: got to go get pure the good stuff, the pure

991
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: blood from the from the hospital.

992
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: So this is how they're existing.

993
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: And then, uh, one night, Eve's little sister Ava shows

994
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: up to town.

995
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: And she's in from LA and she's this like young

996
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: party girl, club girl.

997
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: She's played by the actress Mia Wazakowska, and you know,

998
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: she's just kind of this like pixie fun girl. She's

999
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: also a vampire obviously, Uh, and she's very young and

1000
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: very impetuous, right, and Adam cannot stand her, Like he's like,

1001
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: who is this fucking young you know, like you know,

1002
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 2: he's a missingthrop he's like, you know, an old punk

1003
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: rock He doesn't want to hang out with with that

1004
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: kind of girl who's like I'm living in LA and

1005
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like, you know, whimsical and blah blah blah. Right,

1006
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: And so she kind of stays with them for a

1007
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: little bit and you know again she's just sort of

1008
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: like she starts hanging out with Ian, the Antony Elchin character,

1009
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: and then they're just kind of like having a little

1010
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: flirtation at the club one night, and then of course.

1011
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: Because she's a dumb dumb she kills Ian. She basically

1012
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: eats Ian, who is like the only the only young

1013
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: friend that he has.

1014
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, well, thanks for killing the guy, because

1015
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: you're my only source of joy, the only hipster guy

1016
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: in a band that I will fuck with. Like now

1017
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: he's just dead and we have to throw him in

1018
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: a vat of industrial waste in Detroit because it's just out.

1019
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: In the river or whatever. So that's that's kind of

1020
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: like what happens. I mean.

1021
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: There's also a character who's kind of Eve's you know,

1022
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: old friend, played by John Hurt, who's wonderful.

1023
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: His name is Christopher Marlowe.

1024
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of again a vampire, old intellectual.

1025
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: And then of course, like at some point he ends

1026
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: up drinking the contaminated blood and you know, starts dying

1027
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: and passes away, and so this kind of reiteration of

1028
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: sort of the like again like nothing is really safe

1029
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: in the modern world, and these vampires are trying to

1030
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: exist and they're trying to preserve their you know, their livelihoods,

1031
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: their spirits, and it's getting harder and harder, you know,

1032
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: as time passes.

1033
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: But I also love that the Christopher, So Christopher Marlowe

1034
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: was based on the real Christopher Marlowe, who was a

1035
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: lot of intellectuals think wrote all of Shakespeare's plays.

1036
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: That's right.

1037
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny to me that it's like

1038
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: he's still alive, he's still writing. He's not showing anyone

1039
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: his work, and he's not taking any credit. But he's like,

1040
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: fuck this, dude, I live forever. I'm cooler. He's like

1041
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: the more punk rock version of Shakespeare.

1042
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that actually adopts him with

1043
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: that Christopher Marlowe energy just like not say anything but people,

1044
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: but just sort of like be like, oh, no big deal,

1045
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: I wrote.

1046
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: All of the Shakespeare shit.

1047
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: He's like the big star of vampires or something. He's

1048
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 2: very like, I did this incredible thing, but I'm too

1049
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: based to ever tell people and.

1050
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: A big all about it. I'm like, lean into the

1051
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: mystery man if you want to, if you want to talk,

1052
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: we can talk. But live in mystery, Live in wonder.

1053
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: Let them wonder who did all this shit?

1054
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: Well?

1055
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: And like again, you know, there's a lot of references

1056
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: in the film to music writers, artists, you know, directors.

1057
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: That's kind of the Joys is kind of.

1058
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: Like easter eggs of like little things, which is fun

1059
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: if you're like a big nerd, if you're like a

1060
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: culture nerd, you'll.

1061
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: Love that kind of stuff.

1062
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: But ultimately, this movie, I think the reason why it

1063
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: just affects me so much now is because I feel

1064
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: like I'm like an older person too, and it's like,

1065
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: you know, you can't help but be drawn to a

1066
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: movie like this, And it's like, especially if I mean,

1067
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: this is like a love letter to old souls. Yes, right,

1068
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: if you're a type of person who just like has

1069
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: always loved older shit that you just like love old writers,

1070
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: old musicians, old music, old movies, this is gonna be

1071
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: like the fucking Catnip to end all catnip.

1072
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: Like it's just really like.

1073
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: A movie like that, And you know how there is

1074
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: this instinct for people like us to just want you

1075
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: just feel alienated from the modern world, right, Like you

1076
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: go on TikTok and you're like, what the fuck is

1077
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: all this right, And it's really like a way to

1078
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: kind of say, you know, you do take comfort in

1079
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: older things, and like maybe you don't want to be

1080
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: a vampire, like a misanthropic vampire that like never leaves

1081
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: the house type of thing.

1082
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 3: But it also is like there's.

1083
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: A pleasure in that that I really love that, Like,

1084
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: oh man, wouldn't it be great to fucking find my

1085
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: vampire and just hide away from this like stupid shitty

1086
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: world and just double down on all the cool shit

1087
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: we like and you know, just be like, you know,

1088
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: like housed away from the shitty world that and the

1089
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: people that don't get you, you know what I mean.

1090
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: And truly to make your community small enough. Because there

1091
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: are also references in this film that he doesn't like.

1092
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: Adam especially does not fuck with other vampires, like apparently

1093
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: there's other vampires that he could be friends with that

1094
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't talk to them, Hellna, this is

1095
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: not about like I'm not even close to wanting to

1096
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: be in their lives. So it's really about making the

1097
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: to me, about making the choice to be more solitary.

1098
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: And he spends he seems to spend his time working

1099
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: on his art his music, his you know, love of

1100
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: guitars and kind of the historical importance of that stuff

1101
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: to him. But then you can also see that too

1102
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: much of that makes it impossible for him to connect

1103
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: with other people. Yeah, so you have to kind of

1104
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: always have that balance, you know.

1105
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and then you know he feels the

1106
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: loneliness of it. I mean, he's obviously calling for his

1107
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: wife because he needs connection. So you can't completely go

1108
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: underground alone and just savor the shit that you like,

1109
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: you got to like at some point come a fore

1110
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: error and experience life. And you know, it is that meditation.

1111
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: I keep saying word meditation because it's the name of

1112
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: our theme.

1113
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: But it is like, this is.

1114
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: Definitely a movie that you should revisit in middle age

1115
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: and just be like, huh, yeah, this is hitting, real

1116
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: hard hitting different.

1117
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, it does, and it's not. I don't know,

1118
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: I really loved I don't think I've seen it since

1119
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: it came out, but I really loved going back to

1120
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: it as where I am now too, because you know,

1121
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: it's ten years eleven years since I saw it the

1122
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: first time. And when I first thought I also thought

1123
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: it was very funny, like it's it's comical how it's

1124
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: it's a low key comedy, but it's very funny, and

1125
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: it's really the comedy hits more for sureh But it

1126
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: really just struck me that, you know, kind of the

1127
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: point isn't to live forever, it's to live well? And

1128
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: what does that mean for you?

1129
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: Like?

1130
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: Living well could mean obviously different things to different people,

1131
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: but you know, is it not being with your partner?

1132
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: Is it living in an interesting place? Is it being

1133
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by shit you like and not talking to anyone

1134
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: else ever? Again, like, what's the definition of living well

1135
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: as you reach middle aged or beyond?

1136
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1137
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: And if you're the type of person who appreciates a reference,

1138
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: Like at one point, Adam tells Eve, well, we're in Detroit,

1139
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: what do you want to do? Do you want to go

1140
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: to the Motown Museum? And she's like, now, I've always

1141
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: been more of a Stax girl.

1142
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is your movie. This is for you, This

1143
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: is for you.

1144
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: There's also a in one scene when they're on the

1145
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: couch at his place in Detroit, there's a Dirt Bombs

1146
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: album leaning against the wall yep, And I'm like, oh,

1147
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: these references are so good, so good.

1148
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: Great, great music, Wanta Jackson on the soundtrack, many other things.

1149
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: I think Jim Jarmish makes his own music for the

1150
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: soundtrack too.

1151
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: Love this movie. Could talk about it all day, so honestly, like.

1152
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: Jeffrey, it was a great pick for the theme, a

1153
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: great pick in general. I'm so glad we got to

1154
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: go back and watch it again. Yeah, all right, same

1155
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: my movie, but for very different reasons.

1156
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh.

1157
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: So my film was released in two thousand and seven.

1158
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: The screenplay is by Sarah Polly and Alice Monroe. It

1159
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: was directed by Sarah Polly. My movie is away from her.

1160
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 4: Half the time.

1161
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: I wonder I'm looking for something.

1162
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it is.

1163
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: Everything is called now. This one is another stone cold bummer,

1164
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: But I think it's the most one of the most

1165
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: beautiful movies I've ever seen, Yes, like truly, even when

1166
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: at the time that I saw it was nowhere near

1167
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: Middle Ages. Yeah, I was just like amazed by the

1168
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: beauty and care exhibited in this relationship. So my one

1169
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: sentence synopsis is, after forty four years together, a husband

1170
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: has to deal with the consequences of his wife's Alzheimer's diagnosis,

1171
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: which includes moving into a home and falling in love

1172
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: with another man. Very interesting, Now, I would be remissive.

1173
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: I didn't mention that it's unfortunate to me that this

1174
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: is based on a short story and co written by

1175
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: Alice Monroe. If you've been paying attention to the literary

1176
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: world at all over the past year, you'll realize there's

1177
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: been a lot of controversy about Alice Monroe. She died

1178
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: in May of this year at ninety two, I believe.

1179
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: And in July, two months after her mother's death, her

1180
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: daughter published an article in the Toronto Star about how

1181
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: her stepfather abused her sexually abusive and abusive to her

1182
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: and that her mother, Alice Monroe, knew about it and

1183
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: chose to stay with him.

1184
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't know that.

1185
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like now, dively chose to stay with him, so

1186
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: you can. And like her daughter told her mother what

1187
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: was going on, and yeah, So Andrea Skinner very very

1188
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: brave of her because she and her revelation of this,

1189
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: like the fact that she lived through this because she

1190
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: was sexually abused at the age of nine, and that

1191
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: she lived with this for all of her life, but

1192
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: that she also lived with this for all of her

1193
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: mother's life, because Alice bond Roe was a very very

1194
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: popular writer, very well revered, critically interesting, like critically well revered,

1195
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: and she let her mother have that. As far as

1196
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, she was graceful in not telling her story earlier.

1197
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it could have been me ye that way,

1198
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: but there was to me a real grace in her

1199
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: doing that. It's painful, I think, even more so to

1200
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: realize that she was holding back for so long. But yeah,

1201
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: that's again, doesn't change my feelings about this film. But

1202
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: I just think again, I would be remiss if I

1203
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: didn't mention the story it was based on. And then

1204
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: I have my own complicated feelings about Alice Monroe. Now,

1205
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: who's a writer that I used to, you know, really

1206
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: love and adore, But now that I know kind of

1207
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: more about her as a person, I'm not sure that

1208
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: I can grant her the same level of respect. So

1209
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: lots of arguments out there about it. You can build

1210
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: a whole intellectual hobby about how people are dealing with

1211
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: Alice Monroe in the wake of her death and this revelation.

1212
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: But the story is gorgeous. This movie is gorgeous. We

1213
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: have our main characters are Fiona and Grant Anderson, played

1214
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: by Julie Christie and Gordon Pinsent. Julie Christy, who we've

1215
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast before, probably best known for

1216
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she won an Academy Award for Doctor Chivago,

1217
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: but even before that, you know, she was in movies

1218
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: like Darling and you know, she was in Fahrenheit four

1219
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: fifty one Don't Look Now and the movie that we

1220
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: covered on the podcast, mckabe and Missus Miller.

1221
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1222
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: So, Julie Christie's stunning career, absolutely gorgeous, like in this film,

1223
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: always gorgeous. And her husband is played by Gordon Pinsent,

1224
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: who's a Canadian writer, actor, producer, and it just kind

1225
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: of in the beginning. What I love about this film

1226
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: is it's just kind of a small scene of what

1227
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: their life is together and the slower relation of facts.

1228
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: So we learn that he is a professor who had

1229
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: retired from his university twenty years ago and they've lived

1230
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: in this cottage on a lake ever since, and they

1231
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, they go cross country skiing together,

1232
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: and her memory loss is coming in stages. So first

1233
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: it's that they're washing dishes together and she doesn't know

1234
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: where to put the frying pan, she puts it in

1235
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: the freezer. Then she forgets how to pronounce simple words

1236
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: like wine, and then she actually goes out cross country

1237
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: skiing and gets lost doesn't know how to get home.

1238
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: So they're facing the fact that something is definitely happening,

1239
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: like they're not being obscure about it. But he's really

1240
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: reluctant to put her in any kind of care facility.

1241
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: So she's the one who kind of makes up her

1242
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: mind and says it's time for me to go. Like

1243
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: the more she's reading about Alzheimer's, the more she realizes, yeah,

1244
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: it's time for me to go. But they have such

1245
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: a beautiful life together, you know, they kind of read

1246
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: books to each other by the fire, and it just

1247
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: seems like a very tender, loving relationship. What I love

1248
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: about the movie though, is that it might start out

1249
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: that way, but once she moves into Meadow Lake, which

1250
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: is the care facility that she goes into, you realize

1251
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: two things. One, their relationship has not always been this

1252
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: caring and loving and attentive. And also that in her

1253
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, in the midst of her illness, she has

1254
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: fallen in love with another man who is a short

1255
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: term resident. She's she's a permanent resident, he's a short

1256
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: term resident, and she hardly remembers her husband. So it

1257
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: is a very interesting turn and one thing that I'm

1258
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: really paying attention to this time, like now that I've

1259
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: watched it and there's somebody with memory issues in my life,

1260
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, my grandmother has dementia, I'm paying I was

1261
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: paying attention a lot more to like, well, what is

1262
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: Meadow Lake like? And I got to say, they really

1263
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: nailed it. And we've talked about Sarah Polly before. She

1264
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: is a fantastic and very thoughtful and unique director. We

1265
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: talked about her movie stories, we tell about her her

1266
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: mother's background, very interesting documentary, but she's just fantastic. And

1267
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: looking around the kind of care facility as they were

1268
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: showing it, you see different levels of aging and you

1269
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: know some people like there's this woman that walks in

1270
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: and there's just a row of walkers in front of

1271
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: a door. She doesn't know which one is hers. There's

1272
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: a sun kind of walking with his mother and she's

1273
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of got that repetitive thing going on. As Grant

1274
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: is getting a tour of the place, you're realizing that

1275
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: the stages of aging for Fiona are going to be

1276
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: a little bit different because she has this, she has Alzheimer's.

1277
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: So it's not just straight up she needs to go

1278
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: here because of age. She's going here for an illness

1279
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: and that age will affect But it just, you know,

1280
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think about how much this replicates

1281
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: my own life, and you know, having to put my

1282
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: own grandmother into a care facility, and it really mirrors it.

1283
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: Like I did the same tour, I did the same walk.

1284
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: You know, I saw the game room and the common

1285
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: room and her room, and you know, it was just

1286
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: it was very affecting this time because I've been through

1287
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: that experience now, not with a partner, but with a

1288
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: loved one. And you know, this is kind of a

1289
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: great director there. Her name's Madeline, and she seems like

1290
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: she knows everyone. She gets along with everyone. But she

1291
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: tells Grant right away that new residents cannot have visitors

1292
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: or phone calls for the first thirty days to give

1293
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: them time to settle it. Now to me, that feels

1294
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: very arbitrary to them the way they describe it. As

1295
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: he strikes up this friendship with one of the nurses, Christy,

1296
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: you kind of realize that it could just be for

1297
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: their ease that they can, you know, transition people in easily.

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Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he can't see her for thirty days,

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Speaker 1: which is again, they've been married for forty four years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've never been apart that long.

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Speaker 1: Never been apart that long. And it's also it's never

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Speaker 1: directly addressed, but they don't seem to have children, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like their life has been about each

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01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: other for forty four years. And there's this really crushing

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Speaker 1: scene where Grant is kind of sitting on the couch

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01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: in the dining room and he's just watching everyone sit

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: alone after their families leave, and it is crushing, true

1308
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: crushing for him to realize that it's two things I

1309
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: think that are happening in that scene, that that is

1310
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Speaker 1: going to be Fiona, but also that is going to

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Speaker 1: be him, And we do see it. When he goes home.

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Speaker 1: He is at his home where he's comfortable and he

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Speaker 1: knows everything about the space. He's you know, they've lived

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Speaker 1: there for twenty years. But he's also on his own.

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Speaker 1: So it is just very again, very definitely explored how

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Speaker 1: loneliness and age is connected, how he starts to kind

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Speaker 1: of showcase a lot of regret because he hasn't always

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Speaker 1: been faithful to Fiona. And as they're driving, as he's

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Speaker 1: dropping her off at the facility, she even kind of

1320
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Speaker 1: pops back into lucidity enough to say like, oh, yeah,

1321
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Speaker 1: I remember all those women that you were fucking around with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like, I think, what is one of

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 2: the most interesting components of the film is this idea?

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Speaker 3: Uh At one point I think he talks about this

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: to the nurse or he definitely communicates it. His character

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: communicates it of the.

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Speaker 2: Notion that she might be punishing him right in a way.

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Speaker 2: Like so she goes in the facility, he doesn't see

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Speaker 2: her for thirty days, and then he comes back and

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01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: she's kind of like, you know, cuddled up to again

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: this like short term resident who's played by Michael Murphy,

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Speaker 2: like y'all remember him from the Robert Altman movies, I'm sure,

1333
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Speaker 2: And he's obviously like crushed by it because he wants,

1334
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, obviously to have his wife remember.

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Speaker 3: Who he is.

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01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 2: And she's just kind of like, you know, attending to

1337
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: this other man now.

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 3: And there's a moment where I think he's like, is

1339
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 3: she doing it?

1340
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: On purpose, like is she punishing me for being like,

1341
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, like a philanderer and you know, and then

1342
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: it's wrapped up in the idea that it's like a

1343
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,440
Speaker 2: memory loss situation.

1344
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 3: Then you're like, you know.

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01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: That's grief talking too, right, his own grief is maybe

1346
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: like influencing this thought that he's having of whether or

1347
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: not she's like deliberately forgetting who he is.

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and this man Aubrey is non verbal. Yeah, so

1349
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,520
Speaker 1: he's not even able. I mean he's able to communicate

1350
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: to her through sounds and movements, but he's nonverbal. So

1351
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: her relationship with him is deeply based on care, like

1352
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: helping him stand, helping him walk, and so that punishment,

1353
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: that notion of punishment does come into play for not

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: just Grant, but for the audience when you think, oh,

1355
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: is she just showcasing how great she, how loving and

1356
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: careful and wonderful she is, and what he's missing out on.

1357
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: And it's very very interesting layering of story here because

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: Aubrey also brings into the picture Olympia Ducaccus, who plays Marian,

1359
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: and Marian is his wife, and the reason and that

1360
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: Aubrey's in this care facility is because she has to

1361
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: go out of town essentially, So she goes away for

1362
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,520
Speaker 1: like a month or so, and she's his full time caretaker,

1363
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: so she puts him in this facility so that she

1364
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: can go away, and then when she comes back, Aubrey

1365
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: moves back in with her. And when that happens, Fiona

1366
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: is devastated, absolutely depressingly devastated, like to the point where

1367
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: she did not show this much emotion when her own

1368
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: husband left. Yeah, so there's just this. The relationship between

1369
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: Grant and Marian becomes a very interesting observation on punishment

1370
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: as well, and who's punishing who and who's using who,

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: and kind of the way that I think we can

1372
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: look at Grant through time is we're not sure if

1373
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: he's a great guy or not. We're not sure sure

1374
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: if he's punishing himself, We're not sure if he's truly

1375
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: this loving and caring. I mean, it's again, to me,

1376
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: a beautiful meditation on aging, because there's no clear cut

1377
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: this person is great, that person is not this person.

1378
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: It's a look at a complicated life and layering of

1379
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: life and how every decision you have made comes back

1380
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: to impact you in some way. Yeah, it's heavy, it's

1381
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: a heavy film. And then, especially if you're building a

1382
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: life with someone, you know, what are your regrets, what

1383
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: your guilt as you get to a point in life

1384
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: where you realize time is fleeting and you possibly start

1385
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: to regret how you've spent your time together or not.

1386
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, yeah, this movie is so It like really

1387
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 3: wrecked me. This entire week wrecked me.

1388
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: But like, I.

1389
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the zone, dude, I'm in the zone

1390
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: age wise, like you know, thinking about what it's going

1391
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: to be like when we're that.

1392
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 3: Age and.

1393
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:08,520
Speaker 2: You know, partnership and you know, like the idea of caretaking,

1394
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: the idea of like you know, husbands and wives or

1395
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: partners who you know are have been with people for

1396
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: a very long time and like what is that like

1397
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: and how does that shake loose when you age? And

1398
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: but then also the idea of when you lose people,

1399
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: like like do you go and move on?

1400
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 3: Do you find your own happiness with other people? Like what?

1401
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's just the world of like navigating being

1402
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: an older person. It just really like made me think

1403
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 2: about things. And this movie is so and I think

1404
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: that part of what I love about it is so

1405
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 2: cozy and gentle, so it's like it's very like slow

1406
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 2: moving a lot of like very like thought provoking dialogue

1407
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: and thoughts and looks like I mean, Gordon Pinsent as

1408
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: this like look to him.

1409
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 1: When he's just sitting on the couch and just staring and.

1410
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 2: And it's like there are moments where he looks like

1411
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: the saddest man to ever live, Like there's such sadness

1412
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: in his eyes about things, and it's like, God, this

1413
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: guy is incredible. What an actor?

1414
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, and Sarah Paul is great at

1415
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: that as well, which is like really utilizing Canadian actors

1416
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: who may not be as well known in the US,

1417
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: but who are stunning performers.

1418
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, of course it's like winter snow cabins,

1419
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: skiing coats. Like there's the coziness of it, but it's

1420
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: also just like a very slow burn, very you know,

1421
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: very cozy, very soft, gentle you know, dialogue and actions

1422
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: and stuff. I don't know, it's such a such a

1423
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: world to be into, and then again it just makes

1424
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: you think about so much. It's really affecting well.

1425
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: And also that landscape, Like I'm glad you brought that

1426
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: up because the coziness of this snowy cottage by the lake,

1427
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, fire and books and old furniture. Feeling becomes

1428
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 1: something so much more sinister when she's not there. Yeah,

1429
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: so it becomes this cold, desolate, lonely landscape, which makes

1430
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: me wonder, you know, or people obviously, or what makes

1431
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: a house a home. But then it makes me wonder

1432
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: and think a little bit deeply about well, for these characters,

1433
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: in particular, she's thriving outside of that space and he's

1434
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: left to kind of care for a life that he's

1435
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: not really joyful in, Like he's not the joy in

1436
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: that house.

1437
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very Scandinavian.

1438
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: I know they talk about it actually because she's like

1439
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 2: they're Scandinavian or she's skinny Icelandic, right, that's right.

1440
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: So it's that vibe. It Actually, the whole.

1441
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,919
Speaker 2: Movie kind of feels like kind of a bigmar Bergmann

1442
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: type of film. Right, It's the environment, it's the thoughtfulness,

1443
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: the existentialism of it or whatever. But yeah, it's it's

1444
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: interesting because I think actually both of our movies this week,

1445
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: it feels like the setting it is is a direct

1446
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 2: line to sort of like what the story is about.

1447
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: Like the environment is a reflection about what's going on

1448
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: between these characters, right, But yeah, this I don't know,

1449
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: Like it's really like, this movie I think is a gem.

1450
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: And I mean I know that Julie Christi, she's like,

1451
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 2: well the Oscar for her, she was nominated for an

1452
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 2: Housest She.

1453
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 1: Was nominated, I believe.

1454
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember the year the Oscars when when

1455
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: this movie came out and she was like the talk

1456
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: of the town. But I feel like he I don't

1457
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: know if he was nominated, but he's so good too,

1458
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: Gordon Pin said, like he should been.

1459
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 1: He's incredible. The whole film is incredible and it's truly

1460
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: like a stunning I think it was great casting because

1461
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: she she's again clearly already so known, and it was

1462
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: nice to kind of see her have this resurgence like

1463
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: you hadn't seen her in a while, so it was

1464
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: nice to see her have this resurgence. But then he

1465
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: definitely could hold his own and more, you know, in

1466
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: her company. So yeah, I just yeah, I really, I

1467
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: really love this movie. I think it's worthwhile to watch

1468
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: at any age. If you watch it and you're younger

1469
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: than us, I think it's something that can inform you

1470
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: know how you look at partnership, possibly if you watch

1471
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: it in your our age, Like I could not stop

1472
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: thinking about again how close I am now to so

1473
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: many of the reference points in this film, having you know,

1474
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: been divorced. They're not divorced obviously, but kind of having

1475
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: your man. It's change and being with people for a

1476
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,480
Speaker 1: long time and then having to deal with with dementia,

1477
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just beautiful. I think it's it's

1478
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: an interesting film about forgetting in terms of what do

1479
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: you want to forget? What do you wish you could forget?

1480
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: What do you never want to forget? Which I think

1481
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: we see a lot with Grant, but just what do

1482
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: you hope you forget? It's just it's a very very

1483
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: interesting movie. I know that it got a lot of

1484
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: acclaim when it came out, and I just want to

1485
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: push it to the forefront of something that should still

1486
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: be discussed and seen.

1487
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, incredible, So glad you picked it.

1488
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 3: This week was really good.

1489
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: I gotta say, sad, but I loved it.

1490
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 3: My favorite type.

1491
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: That's our wheelhouse, that's Specialty's sad, but I liked it.

1492
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, next week we're taking a turn. But before

1493
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: we announced the films I'd like to remind everybody that

1494
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 2: if you want to email us, we are at a

1495
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: Saw What You Did pod at gmail dot com. We

1496
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: might have a bonus episode or two left before we

1497
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: sign off, but you know, just send us an email whatever.

1498
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: And we also have a PO box too, by the way,

1499
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: if you want to write.

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Speaker 1: Us, and you can do both of those things for

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: a limited time, remember only a couple more weeks, no

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01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: Number twenty six. I think Millie will probably check the email. Yeah,

1503
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: after we're done. Yeah, I don't think we'll keep the

1504
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: PO box. Keep paying for that PO box. Yeah, we'll

1505
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:37,160
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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 1: social media. We are at I saw pot dot Instagram,

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Speaker 1: hear or just to play on the show. I have

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Speaker 1: to do is record a voice memo on your phone

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Speaker 1: and email it to I Saw It You Did pot

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Please make it sixty seconds or

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Speaker 1: less and please record it in a quiet space.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and listen last call for merch if you

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Speaker 3: if you want to keepsake from the podcast, you can

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Speaker 3: go too, exactly right store dot com.

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Speaker 1: That'll be so cool in a few years if you like,

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Speaker 1: see someone with an I Saw what you did pod

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Speaker 1: shirt and you're like, you were cool, you were you

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Speaker 1: were in there as they were doing it. Because I'm

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01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: sure people will discover us years down the line and

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Speaker 1: be like, oh man, nope.

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Speaker 2: Well there's gonna be vampires falling in their holes together

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 2: being like God to hate the world because I saw

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01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 2: what you did is over? Remember when it was good?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, well, I think we have one more bonus episode.

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Speaker 1: If we do, it'll drop in a week.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks, I'll drop two weeks, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But our old bonus episodes are all on the main

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Speaker 1: feed now, so you can go back and listen at will.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well listen we have we do have a theme

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Speaker 2: next week or one of our final episodes.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to tell them what the movies are?

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Speaker 1: I do, because they're newer movies. Our movies next week

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Speaker 1: are Parasite from twenty nineteen and Triangle of Sadness from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Woo going new And we've been wanting to do Parasite

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Speaker 2: for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've been talking about it to the point

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Speaker 1: where somebody said in a comment once, they were like,

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: have you ever actually covered this movie? Because I can't

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Speaker 1: find it, but you talk about it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Now's you're there. Calm down, It only took us four years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a slow build. Give us a break.

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Speaker 2: Well, Danielle, as always a fucking pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Doing this podcast with you.

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Speaker 1: The total best, Bye Fick. This has been an exactly

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Speaker 1: right production. Our senior producer is Casey O'Brien. Episode mixing

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01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: and theme music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by Garet Ross.

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstark, Karen Kilgarriff, and Daniel Kramer.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us on Instagram and Twitter at I

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Speaker 1: Saw pod, and you can email us at I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did Pod at gmail