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Speaker 1: if we need them against Washington, let's use them against Washington.

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Speaker 1: You know, um if that plays into the game plan.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you gotta be you gotta look ahead.

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously it's nothing that knew that I've done.

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Speaker 1: It's just because you've seen it on tape. That's why

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Speaker 1: I just say you have to be lower than them,

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