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We came across an unbelievable piece of journalism recently, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.640 and it is in a student newspaper, the California Aggie, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.519 the school newspaper for the University California Davis, written by 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.520 a young man named Nick Irvin, about a professor who's 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.800 openly advocating for the murder of police officers. So happy 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.400 to see it in the Sacramento b today, as we 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.040 talked about it yesterday on the Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.800 Their headline, you see Davis condemns professor's cops remark, one 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.800 would hope let's talk to the the gent who who 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.480 wrote the story broke the news that everybody's talking about. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:08.080 Nick Irvin is a senior at the University of California, Davis, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.679 UM and the associate opinion editor at California Aggie. Uh. Nick, Hey, 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.759 thanks for sparing us the time. You've gotta be kind 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.120 of busy these days. Huh yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.200 a lot of attention after the story came out. So 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.039 I'm happy you guys invited me. Oh yeah, well it's 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.279 our pleasure. So, um, how did you first become aware 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:31.600 that there is a professor saying that you should murder police. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.759 It's good to murder police. So I heard about this, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.440 uh you know around November. Um, there were people in 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.000 the news room who had taken his class. Uh. And 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.080 and what is he teachings? He teaches He's a professor 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.800 of English and comparative literature. Okay, well you can understand 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.960 how shooting cops would come up in an English class. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.680 Go on, Well, yeah, and so he and so his 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.600 uh you know, political views were known. Um, but I 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.920 didn't really have anything concrete. I you know, the the 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.960 what I heard bothered me. But it wasn't until the 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.760 shooting of Davis police officer Natalie Corona that I really 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.120 sat down and wanted to investigate the story. Right, I 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.600 get that as that horrifying killing of that beautiful young 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.320 woman occurred, you know, just you know, within spitting distance 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.840 the campus. Although I have to say so that shows 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.840 where we are with the the view of college campuses. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.080 If you hear rumors that there's a professor advocating shooting 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.520 police before a cop gets shot in your own town, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.760 you just think, well, that's not surprising, you know what 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.760 the way professors are these days. I mean, that's how 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.359 far down the road we are. It's crazy, that's insane. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.480 So anyway, so you sought to figure out if the 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.280 rumors were true, Um, and what do you do? So 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.079 I looked at this Twitter, and I listened to help 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.920 on colleague to look online for any of these statement 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.959 and I found a couple of his old tweets, and 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.360 I also found a published interview online um that was 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.639 published in that that said word for word that cops 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.520 need to be killed. I'll I have them in front 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.440 of me. Uh. The tweets This is a tweet from 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.560 I am thankful that every living cop will one day 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.919 be dead, some by their own hands, some by others. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.880 Too many of old age hashtag let's not make more 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.280 and that tweet was still up in en when you 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.040 went to look for it. That's right. Knowing what I 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.520 know about people who have had their Twitter accounts shut down, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.040 we've had to delete tweets, it's pretty amazing that that 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.440 can stay up on Twitter. Another tweet, I mean it's 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.920 easier to shoot cops when their backs are turned. No, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.760 and also an SF Weekly interview in asking him what 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.200 he believed was wrong with society, he replied, people think 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.840 that cops need to be reformed, they need to be killed. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.680 How does that live on Twitter? Everything is so crazy. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.080 You can say those things in the classroom just kind 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.480 of doesn't really get any attention. It lives out there 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.000 on Twitter for all these years. Nobody really pays any 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.400 attention or Twitter doesn't care. I guess the algorithms missed it. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.880 But anyway, you're a journalistic. Quest continued, and you actually 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.320 sought out that Marxist professor. How that go? That's right? 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.680 So I emailed him three times, um with all the 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.320 information I wanted. I want to know exactly what he 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.560 meant by these, you know, although I could, you know, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.960 tell what he meant, but I still wanted his you know, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.120 his own words, and I want to speak to them 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:40.320 about this, and uh, he merely he he rebuffed all 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.400 of my attempts to meet with him, and he sent 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.720 me a statement merely reading I think we can all 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.200 agree that the most effective way to end any violence 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.200 against officers is to complete and immediate abolition of the police. Well, 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:58.800 that's a a reasonable political There's nobody with that political position, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.920 and nobody it's hard to believe anybody with that stupid, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.520 unrealistic and unprecedented an idea would be teaching college classes. Now. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.680 He may be the world's greatest expert on Marxist poetry, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.800 but that's wild. I mean, that's that's like unicorns. And 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.200 when he's contacted by a reporter, instead of thinking, boy, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.440 you know, I better kind of soft peddlet here so 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.039 I don't get into trouble, No, it makes an outlandish 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.640 statement like that. What did you think when you got 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.760 that back? Uh? It just you know, I honestly I 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.599 wasn't surprised. Um. You know, it's uh, it seemed to 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.360 line up with his tweets and and the s S 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.760 Weekly interview. Um, and it just kind of clarified that 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.400 he you know, he's like he stood by his remarks. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.200 He wasn't gonna walk him back at all. And then 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.080 I know you talked to the university about their policies 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:57.320 employing somebody who is openly advocating the murder of peace officers. Uh, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.640 what sort of response did you get from the administration? 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.080 So I went in and talk to the provost of 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:08.800 UC Davis, and they essentially told me that since law 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:14.880 enforcement is not a protected class under federal statutes like 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.400 Title nine or Title six, that um, what the professor 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.680 had said, um, you know, would be protected by the university. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.000 As as odious as the provost thought it was, he 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.760 still wanted to ensure that this type of speech was protected. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.040 So listen, I need to jump in with a bit 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.720 of a tangent there, and I know Nick will forgive us, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.160 but I want everybody to consider the fact that Title 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.839 nine picks out a number of different classes of people, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.040 you know, various colors, sexual orientations, gender, that sort of thing, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:53.839 and says if you say anything mean about them, then 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.520 you've made it tough for people like that to enjoy 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.279 an education, and therefore you violated federal law and you 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.120 can have your ass booted out of your job. Okay, Now, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.440 whether that's a good policy, well, I think it's a 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.720 terrible policy. But um, whether that's a good policy or not, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.320 we have an approved list and an okay to call 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:19.360 for their murder list, which includes everybody not on the 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.080 previous list. If that ain't an example of how bizarre 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.440 and twisted the grievance portion of federal law is, I 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.480 can't think of a better one. So you can. You 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.160 can't say I think a lot of people, I think 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.560 a lot of black people make bad decisions in their lives. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.280 But you can say we should murder cops. That's title 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.160 nine for you, folks. Hope you're enjoying it anyway. Did 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:50.040 you happen to contact UM Davis police and say, look, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.800 this is what a local college professor is saying. Just 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.560 wondered if the chief pedal or anybody would like I 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.880 have a comment on this. Yeah, so, so I did 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.200 not reach out to uh any Davis's police officers. But 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.240 I know I believe in the secondment of the article, UM, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.760 the Davis chief of police or the you see Davis 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.760 chief police, I believe he made a comment. Yeah, actually 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.920 you See Davis Police Chief Joe Farrell called Clover's comments disappointing. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.240 Day we mentioned the name of this guy, professor Clover. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.320 What's his first name, uh, Professor Joshua Clover. Joshua Clover. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.600 Comass is his first name, dom Mass Clover. The chiefs 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.840 I thought, the sort of podcast you want to be 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.800 associated with, Joe the podcast where the host would call 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.800 the person the particular person a dumbass. I just don't 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.200 think that's nearly strong enough. How do you how do 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.560 you possibly have anybody teaching kids with this point of view? 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.600 How does that even existed America? Here's what the chief said. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.600 It's his comments are disappointing. I think if you have 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.439 a tea time, you're gonna play some golf and it rains. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.960 That's disappointing. If you have people teaching your children, we 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.560 should murder cops. That's horrified. She mustard on my shirts. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.520 I go quoting the chief. Our officers are dedicated professional 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.280 or professionals who have and will continue to rise above 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.079 calls for violence against them. Nonetheless, it's regrettable that they 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.760 have to endure such vile hatred. I always try to 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.120 remain positive. When we are keenly aware of what's going 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.160 on in the nation with the perception of law enforcement. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.760 We try to understand the criticism and build upon that. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.480 It's a reminder of myself that there's a lot of 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.760 work to be done. I would suggest that the chief 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.520 is in such a bizarre and untenable situation working for 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.520 a University of California campus, that he has been reduced 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:41.920 to making a mealy mouthed, silly, useless comment like that. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.160 In Chief, Look, I'm not going after you personally because 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.280 I have a feeling you're a good guy. I don't know, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.040 but that comment makes it seem like you are a 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:56.040 beaten dog. You are so reduced by having the cow 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.960 tow to the nut job faculty that you who are you? 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.400 Look it in the mirror and figure out who you are. Sorry, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.600 we're doing a lot of editorializing. Port Nick Irvan is 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.040 thinking I'm going to get thrown out of school. Hey, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:14.719 you you're you're you're a senior. Um you got he 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.960 got friends? I mean, did they agree with you or 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.840 they're thed you? No students that agree with the professor? 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.200 Professor domass so most of them? Yeah, In fact, all 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.120 of my friends agree with me, Um, and I'm guessing 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.280 they're not all were in maga hats. These friends of 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.040 yours on a college campus. I mean, it's you know, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.760 it's well and it's worth noting. It's start to interrupt Nick, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.920 and I'd meant to say this at the outset. It 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.360 is balsy journalism that you did. And Nick has not 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.440 written an opinion piece on this guy. It is. It 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.719 is merely and purely his inquiry into who said this, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.760 how he backs it up in the administration's reaction to it. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.920 It's really solid, solid journalism. I appreciate it. Yeah, and 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.520 so um and the outpoint of support has been really uh, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.720 it really nice to see you. And I've perceived scores 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.880 and scores of emails, um from people all over the country, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:12.640 law enforcement officers, lawyers, UC Davis alumni, um. And they're all, um, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.880 you know, supporting what I wrote and and they're and 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.160 they're thankful that I wrote it. You know, I got 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.679 uh lectured at a city council meeting in Davis, California 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.600 by the mayor for saying strong things about him on 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.880 the air and then not even calling to ask him 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.520 his opinion. And he was right. So, since I've called 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.440 Professor Clover a dumbass, Hanson, can you reach out to 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.520 Professor Clover and say, come on the show and explain 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.760 your position. Likewise you see Davis Police Chief Joe farroh Um, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.280 you know, and i'd be If I'm wrong, I'll apologize. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.200 And it's possible that this be edited his quote. But 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.000 I know what it's like to work in a place 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.400 where you have to twist yourself into a pretzel. Not 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.040 our current circumstances, by the way, things couldn't be better. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.240 So I just I am having trouble wrapping my head 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.880 around this. So this this Clover man, um, Joshua Clover, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.120 he like is walking with his backpack to a building 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:15.840 today to teach people something with those views. Well, so 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.760 he's currently on medical medical leave. UM, so he's not 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.440 teaching right now, but he certainly had a campus presence. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.000 In fact, a few weeks ago he was tweeting about 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.440 our student government president. So he's certainly around um and 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.080 as he shares, the English Department told me he's in 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.640 good standing with the university. And uh, with his head 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.439 that far up his ass he was suffocating. Was that 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.480 his medical problem? I don't think Nick covered that in 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.320 his article. Jack um let's daring expecting this sort of interview, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.280 are you? Um? I don't know if he knows the 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.000 show he was, So Nick, I want to talk a 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.960 little bit more about the University of California's faculty Code 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.280 of Conduct and what the various heavyweights told you as 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.480 you were writing your article. UM was it was their unity? 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.840 Was their lockstep unity? Am the powerful that well listen 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.000 to these, uh, professor in good standing and we've prize 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.560 free exchange blah blah blah. Or are there some within 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.080 the university system we think No, that's way over the 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:15.200 line calling for the killing of cops. Well, it seems 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:20.800 to be generally consistent. UM. The University California Faculty Code 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.679 of Conduct is one of the guidelines that the UC 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.000 data is academic Senate will use and or the administration 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.680 will use to determine UM, whether you know something that 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.880 a professor says is one of the other sanction or 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.760 not UM. And so yeah, there seems to be unity. UM. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.720 I talked to one law professor and he's actually the 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.480 chair of the Academic Sense Committee on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.600 and I keeps talk to him in general terms about 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.320 this UM. This is sort of a lastment addition to 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.600 the article UM and and a quotus in the article. Um, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.439 he talks about how the further you get away from 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.480 your area of expertise or your research. Uh, the argument 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.480 gets much more tenuous about academic freedom, and so that's 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.120 what I was kind of taken away from that. Uh. Yeah, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.719 so so there was some disconnect, but um, largely it 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.880 seemed at the university would stand by, uh, you know, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.120 protecting Professor Clover. I'd like to have Professor Clover on 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.160 and ask him. And you know, if I were him, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.640 I wouldn't come on a show where people call me 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.640 a dumbast either. But I'll say this in case he 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.600 hears it, Professor Glover, I would like to have a 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.960 serious discussion without ad hominem attacks from me. Um, what 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.120 does the world look like without police? I mean, how 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.840 do you how do you see that functioning in society? Yeah, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.520 I would love to hear that. Hey, what's the name 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.880 of the provost who you talked to again, Josh, I'm sorry, Nick. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.400 The provost is named Ralph Hexter. Okay, because you quote 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.680 him in the article talking about the University of Calicornifornia 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.400 faculty code of conduct and he says that, Um, that 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.280 the provost said that this speech really exhibiting violence was 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.080 not the same as speech calling for specific acts of 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:10.920 violence against specific people, but saying cops need to be killed. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.960 So if there there are cops everywhere, well, and and 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.960 and then I would have to believe that the that 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.640 you know, shoe On the other foot, if you had 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.000 some uh, you know, right to life advocate saying all 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.600 pro choice people should be murdered, the world will never 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.000 be good until all pro choice people are gone, I 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.720 doubt that they would have that same point of view. Right, Well, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.000 that that's not an individual person, that's just a group, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.200 so it doesn't count as right. If well, or if 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.520 the professor we're teaching his Marxist post poetry and he said, um, well, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.040 let me just I want to get it exactly right. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.120 Supporters or whatever you want to know. People think that 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.200 Mexicans need to be reformed, they need to be killed. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.920 People think that lesbians need to be killed, you know whatever, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.160 handicapped people need to be killed. The guy wouldn't be 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.320 on campus for one more minute. And the idea where 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.840 you couldn't safely get out of town, well right, the 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.880 idea that they're covered by Title nine, but cops aren't. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.120 So we gotta keep them around. That just well, you 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.440 know what it is. And and frankly, I don't know what. Well, Nick, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.160 you're you're just a journalist, and I don't mean that condescendingly. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.760 You weren't writing editorial. But I think the takeaway from 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.280 the article is the culture of American university, specifically the 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.680 University of California Davis is so twisted and sick and 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.200 ideological that somebody who says these things sticks around. But 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.600 you know, that's just what I took from it. Um, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.240 I don't know what what do you think that? What 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.600 do you think that the big takeaway from your story? Is? 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:44.160 Nick Irvan, so I, I want to write this because 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.960 I saw a disconnect between the university's alleged to support 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.600 for law enforcement and the fact that they're allowing a 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.920 professor to say these types of things, um, you know, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.640 while he's representing the university. And so that was, you know, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.600 the original reason that I started to write this. And 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.480 you know, I I'm just looking to to drive a conversation, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.560 you know, I want, um, people to start talking about 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.840 you know, what is and what isn't okay to say? 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.600 And for a professor to say, uh in the university 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.560 setting or outside it well, and again it is remarkably 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.240 strained and balanced journalism. Here's one more for instance, professor said, 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.320 I legal immigrants need to be shot, and then an 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.919 illegal immigrant judge shot. People would connect those dots and 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.280 blame that professor for the murder. Yes, you had a 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.520 coast to coast. Every paper in America had a police 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.240 officer murder after these comments. Here's another that. Here's another 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.480 for instance for you, just for the Sagy argument. And 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.520 I'm talking to U. C. Davis administration right now. If 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:47.240 this poetry professor, this English lip professor, who's an avowed Marxist, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.560 and you know that's a it's a political theory, and 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.280 he gets to advocate it, um, but I would point 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.960 out that Marxism and it's very softshoots have been responsible 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.720 for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people in 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.760 the last century, hundreds of millions. If he were an 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:08.359 avowed Nazi, would he still be on campus? You see, Davis, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:14.000 I'm asking you specifically, if Professor Clover was an avowed 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:18.080 Nazi teaching literature and called for the shooting of all 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.800 police officers, would you keep him on campus? If the 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:27.080 answer is no, get his ass off campus today and 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.520 never invite him back. Is there some flaw in my argument? 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.480 Is there some fallacy in my logic? You see, Davis? 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.600 Please do point it out to me. Uh Nick, anything 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.159 else you want to add, especially before we let you go? 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.720 Uh no, I think we had a really good discussion. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.119 Well do you do you see this? Uh? Okay, this 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.399 is a blipping time and it goes away? Or do 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.400 more people catch onto this and say say, holy crap. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.320 I think I think it's going to keep gaining traction. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 I think, um and and I do realize how big 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.840 this would get, um, you know, honestly, but I think 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.159 it should go nationwide. It should be talked about on 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.600 your cable news channels. It hasn't. Yeah, it's yeah, it's 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.960 um Fox News picked it up. Um. Yeah, it's obviously 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.600 the sact B. I've gotten other you know, radio requests. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.320 Uh you know, for example from a radio show in Iowa. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.560 Um so yeah, I think, um, you know, the conversation 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.320 is it is just getting started. Anybody from the Washington Post, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:33.600 New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, any of 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.160 those people nothing so far? Your journalist again, when making 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.120 the difference between journalists and opinion piece. If if I 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:45.320 said the University of California Davis is okay with advocating 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:50.680 the murder of cops, is that too strong? I mean 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:56.240 it's it's it's certainly implied. I mean it's certainly it's 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.280 certainly implied that by keeping a professor who harbors those police, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.840 that there's some sort of not. I mean, I don't 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.800 want to say that the University of California supports killing cops. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.760 I think that's too far. Don't quickly into his mouth. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.240 Just sorry, Nick, I'm so sorry. No, I think it's okay. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.640 What is it? I would say, they're not so they 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.399 don't object to it strongly enough to get rid of 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.240 somebody who says it. That's saying it's okay. Look look 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.720 at every boycott in America where advertisers pull from a 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.040 show or or you know, any organization or whatever. They 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.200 demand it gone, or they see you as advocating for it. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.320 Agree with you. I just want you to ask, Nick, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.600 I think it's a fair statement for me to say, 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.480 not Nick, journalists who is a young man, and I 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:44.800 don't want to the University of California at Davis is 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:50.000 okay with advocating murdering police. Yes, so refute that. Yeah, uh, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.520 Nick Irvan Uh. You see David Senior Associate Opinion Editor, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.040 California Age and a man with a set of stones 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.200 and a hell of a good journalist. I hope there's 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.320 a bright, bright future in front of Nick. I'll bet 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.480 there is. Thank you very much, thanks for having Yeah, 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.399 it's our pleasure. Stay in touch, my friend. That's freaking incredible. 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.560 I mean, and this is one of the all time 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.760 great examples of the whole shoe on the other foot. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.879 And you can come up with so many different examples 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.480 of if you said anything even half is strong about 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.880 one of your so called protected groups, you're done. You're done, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.360 You'll never work again. What about college professors? I don't 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.399 believe there's Title nine protection for college professors. They're not 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.440 a protected class. If you had one college professor advocating 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.320 the murder of college professors, how long would day last? 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:41.239 You see, Davis, God, come for the bizarre illogic and 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.920 stay for the cowardice America's universities. I am so grateful. 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.080 Two of my kids are done, and one of my 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.960 kids is going to a notably sane and liberty loving 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.760 university because if I were, and I sympathize with you 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.240 folks who are in this situation, because all you want 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.640 is what's best for your kid's future. But I find 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.840 it absolutely to the point of vomiting sickening the idea 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.560 of paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:12.320 support such a bizarre and and twisted culture. How could 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.919 I possibly have not to mention my tax money. How 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.639 could I possibly even either spend on a ton of 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.280 my my own money or have my kids go six 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.359 figures in debt to a campus that allows that sort 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:29.119 of talk. I don't know. And the same and the 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.000 same university system just down the road from Davis, California, 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.000 in Berkeley, California, you get to beat up a conservative 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:41.040 for their words um and and what or or from 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.879 For several years they finally overturned it. Ban anybody to 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.639 the right of you know, Mitt Romney from campus because 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:54.080 of this ridiculous, childish and stupid claim of those words 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.159 are like violence. They make me feel threatened. I'm triggered. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:02.040 It's God, it's just it's so crazy. You know, this 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.560 recalls and I hate to even hit a light note. 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.320 Um at this point, but I can't help it. It 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.640 recalls an off stated principle of the Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:15.640 There's nothing more disturbing than you you look over your 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:20.520