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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Another very interesting show here on Coast to Coast AM,

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Speaker 2: real Theater of the Mind, getting some amazing visuals that

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to get tonight from this conversation

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Speaker 2: you're listening to Coast to Coast AM. We have guests

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Brooks with us tonight, an executive problem solver, rescuer,

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Speaker 2: rehabber and advocate discussing what's under the b LM's radar. Well,

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Speaker 2: you've been pretty descriptive so far, Lindsay, I guess the

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Speaker 2: bigger question for me right now is why there sounds

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Speaker 2: like there's so much money involved, so much hassle, involve,

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Speaker 2: so much work and effort involved to do what you

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Speaker 2: say is happening. But why does it even have to

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Speaker 2: happen in the first place? The removal of these mustangs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big question right because it seems like

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Speaker 3: it's going to devastate like our land number one, but

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Speaker 3: also our climate and so many other things at the

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Speaker 3: same time. And also it's horrible for the horses, and

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Speaker 3: it's horrible for us at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: I think that's one of the things that's tying the

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Speaker 3: suffering of the animal to humans. Sometimes it's difficult because

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Speaker 3: I think some difficult some some humans don't always maybe

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Speaker 3: necessarily care as much about horses, right, or animals in general,

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Speaker 3: just because you don't see them as much. I mean,

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Speaker 3: when they meet them, they do. But I think it's

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Speaker 3: important for people to really understand that the decision to

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Speaker 3: remove wild horses affects you, even if you live in

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Speaker 3: a suburban area in California, right, because as soon as

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Speaker 3: those hoped animals are taken out of the ecosystem, it

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Speaker 3: actually makes it so that there are more forest fires, right,

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Speaker 3: and their hoops actually trample out in basive species. They

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Speaker 3: help with erosion control and fire breaks, and there's so

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Speaker 3: many things that they naturally do. And you know, kind

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Speaker 3: of the fun kicker here too. I think, Connie that

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I even said this to you,

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Speaker 3: but I don't if you know this, but horse extreme,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, is like a fantastic fuel and

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Speaker 3: it's one of the most carbon neutral fuels on the planet.

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Speaker 3: So I have to say, I wonder if there's even

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Speaker 3: some conspiracy there and like getting rid of them, because

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Speaker 3: maybe it would undo a few somebody actually figured that out.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, well I'm still lost it. Why would they you know,

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Speaker 2: what is the problem that they feel that they got

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Speaker 2: to get rid of them? Why do they go, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: there's horses there, let's get rid of them. What is

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Speaker 2: does somebody think they're a nuisance of some sort?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's literally the pitch of

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Speaker 3: even the current BLM director, who and her comments are

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Speaker 3: about the least scientific you could even hear. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, anybody with the IQ of a pop part

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Speaker 3: and know that it's it's completely false. I mean when

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Speaker 3: you look at the amount of land even like so

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Speaker 3: that the pitch has always been, well, there's too many

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Speaker 3: wild horses. You know, they're they're having babies so fast.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but she actually

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Speaker 3: believes that a mayor can have three to five babies

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Speaker 3: in a year. That's like humanly impossible. It's course horse impossible.

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Speaker 3: But this is and this is obviously not happening on

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Speaker 3: the range. It's not there's not that many wild horses

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Speaker 3: left on the range. There's way more cows and there's

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Speaker 3: way more land on top of that. Effectively, like for example,

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Speaker 3: in some of these management areas, there's maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: maximum two hundred to maybe five hundred horses. Typically by

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Speaker 3: the time they're done with it, there's way more cattle.

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Speaker 3: And when you look at the fact that they're sitting

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Speaker 3: If you put it in domestic terms, like let's say

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Speaker 3: from from just the people that are making these decisions.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at like a smaller area like

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Speaker 3: for example, Nevada, one of the when I was talking

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Speaker 3: The horses won't eat x their selective grazers.

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Speaker 3: Let's but then they think that no one can actually

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Speaker 3: notice that maybe they're actually in the Dry Lake solar

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Speaker 3: economic zone, which you can look this up. Horse advocates

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Speaker 3: guys can read it. But sadly, Senator Harry Reid, who

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Speaker 3: we know is a great it is a great, great

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Speaker 3: senator in many ways. And also you know it's very

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Speaker 3: pro paranormal things. But you know he was a huge

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Speaker 3: advocate of the solar energy industry but also getting rid

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Speaker 3: to add insult in injury. This is the hard part

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Speaker 3: is he did this through you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: indirect activities like the Colorado River Commission of Nevada, and

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Speaker 3: many of our Nevadas will remember this. This is going

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Speaker 3: back probably when I was even a kid. But there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of least formal formal UH former federal lands

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Speaker 3: which is a client of Harry Reid's law firm, the

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Speaker 3: this is I think another one. You know, this goes

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Speaker 3: where we harvest different things. Right, Also his campaign donors,

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Speaker 3: expanding mining operations. Right. Various leaders back then actually passed

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Speaker 3: horses would not be removed from public land if the

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Speaker 3: the former BLM director who was a huge proponent proponent

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Speaker 3: of multiple land used doctrines, Captain Kark, She tould ranchers

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Speaker 2: In the henhouse, Well, I've heard stories like they will run,

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Speaker 3: Is that true? That has happened. It has happened, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the cattle companies that are irritated with the horses anyway

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Speaker 3: It would be considered inhumane. Like they would like if

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Speaker 3: for animal cruelty would be considered inhumane, right, But to

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Speaker 3: This is obviously common for horses there as as sentient

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Speaker 3: And then you also have animals that are captive wild

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Speaker 3: have different sociology. Right, So it's I think very important

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Speaker 2: It's you know, this has just recently come to my attention,

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Speaker 2: you know, and so that's because I would have known otherwise.

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Speaker 2: So there's I know, there's a ton of people that

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Speaker 2: have no idea about any of this stuff. Did you

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Speaker 2: mention that there's a documentary out that you thought was

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Speaker 3: A few, Yeah, there's a few. I was gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: and it is a wonderful documentary about what BLM is

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Speaker 3: and they're working really heavily to you know, hopefully stop

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Speaker 3: But this is an amazing movie that really tells the

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Speaker 3: You check it out if you just google it online.

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Speaker 3: And there's a couple of other ones that I'll mention too.

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Speaker 2: No go ahead, no go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Now's a good time. But I didn't want to take

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Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. I know recently here in Colorado they let

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