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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Monday. We're live in LA.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: You know, j Max, you said something about five minutes

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Speaker 1: ago as we were sitting here at jotting some notes down.

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Speaker 1: The bottom of the NFL is like the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Now, there are some bad teams. Two of

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Speaker 1: them may be in New York. It was not a

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Speaker 1: good weekend for New York sports. The Yankees, Giants, Jets,

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Speaker 1: even Buffalo Upstate. But we've been sitting waiting for Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: because they keep winning and we keep waiting for Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: to lose, and finally they met their match. Yeah, Hey, Denver, Broncos,

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Speaker 1: your guy Bonicks yep. So in football and in life.

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Speaker 1: Drip drip, drip, Like people don't wake up and just decide,

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Speaker 1: let's get a divorce. There were signs. Companies don't go

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Speaker 1: from great quarterly earnings to we're bankrupt. There are signs,

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Speaker 1: warning signs, red flags, arguments. Philadelphia has been a leaky

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Speaker 1: faucet for five weeks. We've been talking about this. Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: his production's been cut in half. The Lions have two

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Speaker 1: running backs that are more productive than Saquon Barkley. They

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Speaker 1: labor to get the ball to aj Brown, an elite

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. The offensive line used to be the best

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Speaker 1: in the sport. Middle of the pack doesn't even look

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Speaker 1: close to Detroit's now. So I've been preaching this for

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Speaker 1: three years. Nick Seriani is not a scheme guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he is very offensive coordinator dependent, all right, So

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Speaker 1: when he has a great coordinator, he gets the Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: He hired Brian Johnson didn't work circle the drain. He

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Speaker 1: missed on a coordinator. Hired somebody in the building that

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Speaker 1: had never called plays before. Could be a good coach,

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Speaker 1: but right now, at this moment in that coach's life,

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Speaker 1: probably not the right fit. With this veteran offense, and

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Speaker 1: it just it took a half. But bow Knicks, who's

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Speaker 1: still a kid. Bo Nix has played what twenty two

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Speaker 1: starts in the NFL. He's gonna have bad halves, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna have bad throws. But in that second half, Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton and this is what he does, maybe as good

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Speaker 1: as any coach in this league. That's second half. Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton extracted every yard out of that offense. Two point

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Speaker 1: conversions on the road, noisy crowd, everybody involved, multiple receivers

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Speaker 1: running the ball. Another very good Denver draft. All these

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Speaker 1: guys can play, and bow Knicks, that dude is athletic

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Speaker 1: and he is fast. He used to hold the ball

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Speaker 1: a little long last year. Bow Knicks is seeing it

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Speaker 1: and let it rip. So the better team, the better coach,

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Speaker 1: and yes, the better quarterback. By the second half of

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Speaker 1: that game, we're on display. And this is nothing against

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Speaker 1: Nick Sara Janni, but he's got a stacked roster. And

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Speaker 1: don't even try to convince me forty five yard rushing.

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Speaker 1: The big plays are gone. They were a good big

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Speaker 1: play team. They're done. They're seventeenth in the NFL in

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Speaker 1: big plays with aj Brown, Devonte Smith, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: They're seven, They're middle of the pack on big plays.

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Speaker 1: Yards per play has tanked. Saquon Barkley's getting touched a

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Speaker 1: yard into the carry, not two and a half. So

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Speaker 1: this is not on the players. The players were great

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Speaker 1: last year. What did they do all eat twinkies in

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Speaker 1: the offseason? Give me a break. It's a coordinator higher

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Speaker 1: and that's okay. A lot of coaches in this league

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Speaker 1: it's not a knock on Sirianni, but that's not what

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Speaker 1: he is. And so if he makes the wrong oc higher,

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Speaker 1: this is not the same team. It's not the players,

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Speaker 1: it's not the effort, it's not the toughness. Coaching matters.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this more and more coordinating matters in this league.

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Speaker 1: Second half of that game, Sean Payton put on a

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Speaker 1: clinic bo Nicks with twenty two starts against Vic Fangio,

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Speaker 3: I see the same hunger that was there prior to

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Speaker 3: us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: game is always going to come down to, you know, detail,

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Speaker 3: and you know, as far as us as coaches and players,

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Speaker 1: Okay, usually my second story on a Monday isn't about

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Speaker 1: a blowout. But when Dak Prescott broke into this league,

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Speaker 1: Zeke was a great running back. The O line, Tyron Smith,

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Speaker 1: but he was a little overrated. Now, Dak, this Dak

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Speaker 1: is not getting enough credit. They don't have a number

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Speaker 1: one receiver currently. The offensive line is still in a

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Speaker 1: rebuild mode. Running game okay, staff, fine, defense last in

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Speaker 1: the league. Okay, Dak Prescott, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. It's

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Speaker 1: like they've hit the ten thousand hour rule. Like they're

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Speaker 1: just I mean, they're all smart guys, but they have

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Speaker 1: reached another level of football IQ and Dak's gone from

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Speaker 1: a little over rated to now underappreciated. If I had

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Speaker 1: an MVP vote today, I would vote by Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: he's won more games and he's won them late. But

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Speaker 1: also Baker Mayfield has the better general manager, the better

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Speaker 1: rookie receiver. I think the overall roster in Tampa is

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Speaker 1: much better than the Cowboys roster. But right now, what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing Dak Prescott do this is the best stack

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. First of all, I think he's lost

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Speaker 1: weight and gained strength. They're missing three offensive linemen. Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb's a top five receiver. Doesn't have him running backs

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Speaker 1: kind of by committee, Okay, not special, And listen, Brian

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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer deserves a lot of credit. We don't think he's

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Speaker 1: Andy Reider Sean Payton. So again, I I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: MVP right now. And here's the other thing to remember

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Speaker 1: about Dak where he deserves a lot of credit. Everybody

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Speaker 1: said when des Bryant left, he was in trouble. Nope,

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Speaker 1: when Zeke left, he's in trouble. Tyron Smith left, Micah left,

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Speaker 1: the great Zach Martin, all these great players have left,

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Speaker 1: and every time, as long as Dak Prescott is upright,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys win double digit games. I mean, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a long time. You got to read

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Speaker 1: to the end of the book. Yeah, I ever read

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Speaker 1: then they're really great books. Like like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you're like, in chapter ten twelve, Dak, you got to

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Speaker 1: peel this onion. You got to peel this There was

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Speaker 1: the a little over hype Dac with a great o'

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Speaker 1: line in a great run game, and Jerry Jones at

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's Mike McCarthy and Dak's

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Speaker 1: actually putting up better numbers. And now McCarthy leaves. Brian Schottenheimer,

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Speaker 1: who nobody loved, Ceedee Lamb is hurt, Mike is gone.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot of C plus players and they're

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Speaker 1: still rebuilding this offensive line, and Dak looks unbelievable. He

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Speaker 1: was getting MVP chants in New York and he was

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Speaker 1: asked about it after.

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Speaker 4: I mean my hears work, So I heard it, but

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear it. To your answer, it's week five,

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Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care if this week seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I've told y'all what I want to win. The team

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Speaker 4: goals right now. The success and the continued success is

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Speaker 4: going to happen. Is just a beneficiaria of all the

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Speaker 1: Again, Oas says the right thing. He is a dropped

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Speaker 1: pass against Philadelphia from being three to one and one.

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Speaker 1: Don't pay attention to the two to two and one.

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Speaker 1: He is playing next level. Remember they tied green Bay,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the way green Bay was running the

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Speaker 1: the truth. Jax Plant out of his mind, so is Baker,

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Speaker 1: So is Darnold. It's these old guys. They got the

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Speaker 1: ten thousand hours. But I think I would vote Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield MVP of the league today. I think I would.

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Speaker 1: I would have right now Dak runner up from you know,

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Speaker 1: what's happening here? Coaching staff, ownership O line. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Whatever's happening. Dak goes on the road. It's one of

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Speaker 1: on a clinic that is amazing. So j Mack, who

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Speaker 1: had a winning week as well, So we know, taking

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Speaker 1: over a less talented team and rebuil building it it's hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to Aaron Glenn's great example, but it's not that hard,

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Speaker 1: people can do it. How about New England. How about

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Speaker 1: what Mike Vrabel's doing and Drake May's doing. Drake May

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Speaker 1: looks amazing, incredible fourth quarter line. Your Jets had more

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Speaker 1: New England had, I don't and a more experienced quarterback

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Speaker 1: and justin fields. So again, same division. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it isn't hard, but you're seeing a gap between Mike

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. It's easy to beat up on Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I don't think last night was about the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: at all. I think everybody in this sport has a stinker.

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Speaker 1: They fumbled it, it was ball security was a mess.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about what's happening in New England as well

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Speaker 1: as Baker and Sam, who put on an absolute clinic yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Well, every year, I pick a team that I think

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Speaker 1: He certainly does. I will say Drake May, I liked

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Speaker 1: So you were the rare, like Peyton Manning. You're a

427
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Speaker 1: five star high school kid, you're a great college guy,

428
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Speaker 1: you're a top draft pick. So you didn't, like Baker

429
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: Mayfield had to walk on and a lot of these

430
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Speaker 1: guys transfer. You didn't have that nasty chip on the shoulder.

431
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Speaker 1: You may have had it from how you were treated

432
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Speaker 1: by somebody else, but you came in like you're the

433
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Speaker 1: guy you're gonna get paid. That's not your life. And

434
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Speaker 1: I said, I think chip on the shoulder is important

435
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: as long as it doesn't consume you and define you.

436
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Speaker 1: I thought it kind of defined Baker for about three years.

437
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you don't have to go to the

438
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Speaker 1: press conference every week and pick a fight like you

439
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay to be like, hey, I'm telling a

440
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: guy Baker and Sam yesterday, I had a lot of

441
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Speaker 1: critics to watch them yesterday. I'm like, I almost wonder

442
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Speaker 1: if all the crap they went through is actually why

443
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Speaker 1: they're so good. Do you buy that?

444
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Speaker 7: I think there's something to that, Colin. You know, you

445
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 7: look at Baker and I was curious to see how

446
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 7: he handled that, you know, because he was that underdog guy,

447
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 7: the walk on that had to transfer and had to

448
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 7: move schools, and then all of a sudden, you know,

449
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 7: his top draft pick, and you know, it's hard to

450
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 7: have a chip on your shoulder when you're the number

451
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Speaker 7: one overall draft pick that doesn't really fly. People aren't

452
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 7: looking down on you anymore. And I think that's an adjustment.

453
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Speaker 7: But I think that's kind of just how he's wired.

454
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Speaker 7: And and it's kind of the way he plays, you know,

455
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 7: plays a little bit like Farv you know, where he

456
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 7: just you know, he kind of needs to get hit,

457
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 7: he needs to run around. He needs to be a

458
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 7: football player, you know, rather than just a you know,

459
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 7: a game manager type of quarterback. And uh, that's when

460
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 7: he's at his best, I think. And and so you know,

461
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 7: sometimes you have to manufacture that chip on your shoulder.

462
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 8: Uh and uh you know.

463
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Speaker 7: So maybe that's why Baker was so at times so

464
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 7: contentious with the media, because he was just trying to

465
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 7: create this uh chip on his shoulder when it when

466
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 7: it wasn't actually real.

467
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 8: But but the guy's got real arm talent.

468
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 7: You know, like you look at it like he's a

469
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 7: smaller guy, but you look at the throws he makes. Uh,

470
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 7: you know, this guy he can spin it. You know,

471
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 7: this is not uh, this is not a guy that's

472
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Speaker 7: getting by on you know, average ability. He can really

473
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Speaker 7: throw the ball. Uh you know, so uh, you know,

474
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Speaker 7: for him to be looked at as this uh this

475
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 7: underdog anymore. I don't think he's accurate. I think I

476
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 7: do think he's one of the elite guys in the NFL.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to kind of end it on this,

478
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: uh is that Belichick is not working in college and

479
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: I I love college football. I love it, and my

480
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: theory theory is always once you buy into your own supply,

481
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: you're done. It doesn't matter how smart you are, or

482
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: once you get rigid. The late Bobby Knight's like, I'm

483
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: not gonna do one and done's well, bro, everybody else

484
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: is doing them. You know, you got it. You gotta

485
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: put your arm around it. And Belichick, you know, he

486
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: said later in his career, it's like, there's certain guys

487
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: that don't want to coach. Well, you gotta you need talent.

488
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: He can't. You're buying into your own hype. Vrabel is

489
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: about the players Bill became about Bill. I watch him

490
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: in college and my takeaway is Bill just wants to

491
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Speaker 1: coach who he wants to coach. And I didn't think

492
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: he would dominate college football. But are you surprised just

493
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: how bad it's been?

494
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Speaker 2: You?

495
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Speaker 1: You you know, you obviously know him. It's it's just

496
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, college football is kind of a young guy's game.

497
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: He may just not be he may not work at

498
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Speaker 1: this level.

499
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Speaker 8: Drew.

500
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's tough, Colin. And

501
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 7: Bill is obviously brilliant, there's no getting around. But he

502
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 7: also put together teams in New England that were brilliant.

503
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 7: You know, you look at the guys on the defenses

504
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 7: that he coached and the you know, you got, you know,

505
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 7: really brilliant guys. Rabel was one of those guys. You know,

506
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 7: Teddy Bruski, you know Ty law Lawyer, Molloy, Rodney Harrison.

507
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 7: You know, you look at all of these guys that

508
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 7: he was coaching. You know, he had brilliant guys with him,

509
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 7: and that was that really worked well for him because

510
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 7: Bill's a brilliant guy, but you have to have brilliant

511
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 7: players in order to, you know, to to really showcase that.

512
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 7: And I also just think, man, you know, you just

513
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 7: look at the optics. And I'm not piling on Bill here,

514
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 7: but you know you're you're gonna go sit in the

515
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 7: living room with a seventeen year old you know, do

516
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 7: you want to go play for Bill Belichick as a

517
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 7: seventeen year old, you know, or do you want to go,

518
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 7: you know, play for the Oregon Ducks or do you

519
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 7: want to go?

520
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 8: Trust me?

521
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 7: I hate the Ducks, but but but I would love

522
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 7: to play for Dan Lanning, you know. And you just

523
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 7: look at that, Uh what what he's dealing with? I

524
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 7: don't think it's tough for him, settled down, but sorry,

525
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 7: my dog's going to attack. My dog's going to attack.

526
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 7: But I think, uh, you know, I think with uh,

527
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 7: it's just a it's an up it's an uphill battle

528
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 7: for him because he's got us around him, you himself,

529
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 7: with you know, really brilliant players in order to execute

530
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 7: the stuff that he wants to do.

531
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Speaker 1: By the way, what would your dog possibly be barking

532
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: at what's your dog's name?

533
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 8: Uh, that's Tyson. He's a trained killer.

534
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 7: Uh he's uh, yeah, he's he's going to go chase

535
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 7: the bears off of our property up here and just

536
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 7: keep us safe.

537
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say, I know where you're at. There's

538
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: not a lot to bark at where you're at right now.

539
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

540
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's it's good. He's but he keeps us safe. Man,

541
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 7: we sleep, We sleep tight at night and know we

542
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 7: have this little attack dog.

543
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to end with this. Dak Prescott. I never

544
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: thought he was a great arm talent, but he did

545
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: something very early in his career and I got so

546
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: much crud for this. He was walking up and down

547
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: the sideline and he walked by a garbage cannon. There

548
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: was a piece of cup on the ground, and he

549
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: stopped and he went back and he grabbed it and

550
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: he put it in the garbage And I thought, Okay,

551
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: that's just a He's conscientious. And I've always thought Jerry

552
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Jones a bit of a circus. It's high profile Jerry.

553
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: He never says the wrong thing. And I've been on

554
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: this for years and people crush me for this, but

555
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: my whole take is quarterbacks different. I unfairly need you

556
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: to be thirty nine years old at twenty two, and

557
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: I look at Dak right now, and Dallas is a

558
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: circus about every other week. I don't know, is he MVP?

559
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm always blown away by his maybe EQ or maturity.

560
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: How do you view Dak?

561
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 7: You know, Colin, there was one thing that was really

562
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 7: really telling, and it's something that you can look at

563
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 7: with players you look at how their teammates react to them, right,

564
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 7: and it was really telling. You remember when Dak got

565
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 7: hurt a few years back, his teammates were in tears

566
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 7: when Dak went down, and so you know that really

567
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 7: tells you everything you need to know about who the

568
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 7: guy is and who he represents to his team and

569
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 7: to his teammates. You know, they were they were literally

570
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 7: you know, guys were crying when Dak got hurt. And

571
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 7: you know, you know that he just he's a great

572
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 7: leader for that team. He's a great stabilizer for that team.

573
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 7: He was a grown up coming in You know that

574
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 7: when you say you want a thirty nine year old

575
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 7: when you're twenty one or twenty two years old, that's

576
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 7: who he was coming into the league. He just he

577
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 7: showed maturity beyond his years and to be able to

578
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 7: be that person in underneath that circus tent that the

579
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 7: Cowboys tend to be, where all the eyes are on you,

580
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 7: whether people love you or hate you, they care. You know,

581
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 7: it's like pitching for the Yankees. People either either love

582
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 7: you or hate you, and Dack and Dak has been

583
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 7: able to take all of that and be a true

584
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 7: stabilizing force for that team and to see what he

585
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 7: did yesterday. You know, one of the most important things

586
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 7: that I always look at with teams is how healthy

587
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 7: is their offensive line? With three offensive line, three starting

588
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 7: offensive linemen down yesterday, I really felt like they were

589
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 7: going to struggle, and Dak came out just lit them up,

590
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 7: just absolutely lit them up.

591
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so did I. I thought the Jets would be competitive.

592
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I just blown away by what I'm seeing. I love

593
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: these stories of these quarterbacks. They get ten thousand hours.

594
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: It's Baker, it's Darnold hell even Carson Wentz yesterday. These

595
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: guys get banged around and criticized and demoted, and Dak

596
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: has gone through a lot in Dallas. He's an easy

597
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: guy to root for. Drew Bledsoe double Back Winery, how

598
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: is your year?

599
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 8: We're almost done with harvest.

600
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 7: It looks like another great harvest up and balla wallat

601
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 7: So we've got an amazing team. You know, when you

602
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 7: talk about teams and cultures and all of that, We've

603
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 7: got a championship level team at the Winery.

604
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 8: These are our team there.

605
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 7: But right now they're at the end of harvest, so

606
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 7: they're all really tired and really grumpy. So I tried

607
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 7: to take care of them, muff them up a little

608
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 7: bit because they're working, you know, eighteen hour twenty hour

609
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 7: days right now, so you know, it's it's a little prickly,

610
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 7: but man, they just continue to make amazing wine for

611
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 7: us and we're having a lot of fun with it.

612
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Double Back look it up, the Double Back Winery and Walla, Walla, Washington.

613
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't think as many hosts I know where that's

614
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: at exactly exactly I can find.

615
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 8: Not many people, not many people do. It's the end

616
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 8: of the road.

617
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 7: But it's a beautiful little town and we grow great

618
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 7: wine grapes up there.

619
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 8: It's and it's my hometown. You know, I grew up there.

620
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 7: So it's fun to be back there running a running

621
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 7: a cool business back in my hometown. And at the

622
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 7: end of the day we get to get to drink

623
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 7: some great wine and pretend like that's our job, which

624
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 7: is which is really fun.

625
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: You don't age, my man, you look great. Thanks for

626
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: coming on.

627
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 7: Likewise, Colin always good to catch up anybody