WEBVTT - Ep 77: Serge Pizzorno, Kasabian 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.040 Like Radiohead do their thing to get people where they 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.479 need to get them and ca Saban we do our 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.119 thing to get people where they got I think totally 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.000 different approach. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.000 Evening, everyone, thanks for joining me here on episode seventy 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.560 seven of the podcast, Greg here. Tonight's guest on Midnight 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:25.040 Chats is Sergio Pitsorono aka Surge from Cassabian, the band's 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.040 guitarist and chief songwriter. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:28.840 He maybe feels like a bit. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.520 Of an outsider choice to some people compared to who 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.479 we normally have on the podcast, But I've met Surge 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.199 a few times over the two decades his band have 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.680 been together, and I've always thought that he's not necessarily 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.239 like what a lot of people expect or into the 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.279 things that people might expect. Casabian are on a bit 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.320 of a break at the moment, but Surge has kept working. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.000 He recently released his debut solo album under the name 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.880 The SLP. The album had the same title stylistically, It's 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.080 pretty out there and also features guests like Little Sims 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.240 and Slow Tie. Anyway, back in early July, I went 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.520 to meet up with Surge. He was off to the 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.000 tennis at Wimbledon. The next day, he had just got 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.080 back from a baking hot Glastonbury Festival this year as 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.440 a punter, and that's where the conversation starts. We went 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.959 on to chat about his respect for the likes of 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:27.680 Radiohead and Tom York, the perception of Kasabian, terrible British 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.600 service stations, and letting his kids cause a mess in 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.800 his home studio. All that and more. I hope you 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:39.400 enjoy this episode of Midnight Chats and don't forget. You 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.680 can support this podcast by subscribing to the magazine we make, 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.840 Loud and Quiet. All the information is at Loud and 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.480 Quiet dot com forward slash subscribe, sign up and we'll 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.120 post you our next nine issues for as little as 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.440 three pounds per month. How have you been, How has 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:55.560 your summer been? 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.320 What have you been up to? 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.440 You had your feet up? Have you been watching Glastonbury, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.000 watching the world up? What kind of things you've been 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:01.280 up to? 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.200 I went to glass though, he went as a yeah, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.200 just went with nothing to do when my wife went 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:11.280 so you. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:11.960 Be the kids at home? 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:12.440 Yeah? 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.560 So you actually had the genuine Glastover experience. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:21.280 It's I gotta say it was like so probably fifteen 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.800 years have been going there I have been going there 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:28.240 fifteen years and I probably traveled from back behind the 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.960 pyramid to the other stage and then behind the pyramids 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.239 on the pyramid, and I thought it was Glaster's amazing. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:36.800 It's massive. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.400 Little did I know walking into the place, I mean 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.760 like the main stages and it's like a two percent 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.560 of what it is. It's you know, obviously I'm this 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.120 is no revelation, but for me it was I was like, 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.080 what have I been doing all this time? 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:55.640 Man like? 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.440 And so yeah, we literally went over to like shangle 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.280 Are and then is it Sector nine or there's. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.040 A there's as like block nine block is that the 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.040 thing with the big. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.520 Yeah, and there's a pier and then the park stage. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.160 It was amazing. I was blown away. And It's crazy 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.839 that I've been going there that long and not haveing 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:18.440 handy clue. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.440 So did you end up spending time investigating that part 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:22.280 of Glaston. 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.600 I did, yeah, class I loved it there, man, it 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.120 was great. I saw a few things. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:30.000 Do you know what though? 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:39.240 You need like orienteering, like you know, the logistics are 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.520 going right, we need to go here. That's not how man, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.920 I'm not going anywhere You've got you know, you've got 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:45.320 a plan. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.040 But I was, yeah, I was. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.080 I still felt a sense of pride as well because 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.280 obviously we headlined it and I was you know, I 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.720 knew it was special and I know it was like 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.320 you know almost like you know, we really that was 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.320 a talk. You know, we really thought at the start 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.640 of the band was like imagine, that's kind of where 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:05.280 we want to get to. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.200 But I had a sort of second wave of that going. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.800 Man, that is such an art like it really is this, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.480 you know, the scale of it all, It's like. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.760 Wow, that was really special, you know who with the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.480 highlights in terms of the artists you saw from the weekend. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:18.839 And slow time. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.280 We talk about him later, Yeah, yeah, I mean I've 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.080 seen him a few times and he's just he's the 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.720 real he is the real deal man. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.880 He's very where he is now, you know as a 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.520 front man. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.120 It took us like now we're sort of the last album, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.720 we're sort of we're in a place where I think 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.080 we've figured out who we are, what we do, you 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.760 know in terms of the live show, and he's there, 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.800 like he's there, and he's like he's not you know, 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.400 his album has been out like two weeks like I 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.720 don't know what he's just and then the way he 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.320 controlled that crowd and away delivery, the confidence, and. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:04:59.880 I was it was it was blown away. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.359 I would you know, if Storms he's opened the door, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:05.840 then I would like to think we live in a 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.320 world where the slow headline. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.200 Of last, because I think he'd absolutely kill it. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.920 Did you watch the Storms the headline show? 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.599 I saw a bit, but a kind of miles away. Yeah, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.960 I mean it was job done, really wasn't It was incredible? 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.040 It was incredible. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.400 I saw a Dave as well, So you saw the 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.120 moment when that guy Alex. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.159 Was all over the internet. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.880 Man, I was like he was on Good Morning Britain 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.800 three days because I was like someone sent me the 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:32.320 next morning. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.520 I was like, oh man, we must have because again 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.680 it's like you sort of have to, you know, we 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:37.599 need to get somewhere else. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.040 Then it's like the walk. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:46.760 I can't get over his delivery, like Chris like effortless flow. Again, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.360 it was like that's some that's some skills there. I 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.640 think his albums incredible. I saw a bit of Taming Parlor, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.320 the sort of perfect sound. I kind of couldn't get 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.839 over how like I was like, that's that's pretty incredible 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.080 noise they're making. I don't know, like I'm just seeing 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.880 like tying that and he's just you know, having Parker 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.600 is like, it's beautiful thing. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.799 I'm great, But you know that element. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.200 It's the opposite ends of the spectrum in a way, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.080 isn't it? Because the no show Bez No No in 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.000 Parlor is kind of like this is the music. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.479 It's kind of delivered without any effortless kind of. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.720 Yeah, it was great, It was It was It was 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:31.640 sa a bit of ponds as well. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:32.200 Yeah. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.920 I had a lot of plans to, you know, go 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.760 and see a lot of people, but they all just 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:37.520 fell to pieces. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.600 How did you feel by the Sunday given that he 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.560 did it in a kind of almost as a punter. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.159 You know, I did stay in the hotel around the corner. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.719 You cheated, I did, do you know what? Though? 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.599 When I turned the air con on. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.359 You're like, this is the greatest I've ever made, because 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:55.960 like I did feel a bit like. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.560 I did feel a bit like I cheated a bit. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.440 But then my mates were in this tent and they 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.040 they got the posh tents, you know, the ones that 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.360 are already set up, and they were like sending me 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.360 text going and this is the hottest word. I was like, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.560 you know what I did cheap, I don't care with 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.120 a nice cook breakfast in the morning, man in a shower. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.960 And on the Sunday it was a bit like just 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.560 get off, just go fucking but no we did. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.080 We made it down there and we saw a bit 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:26.120 of it's kind of mad. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.800 The Sunday was a mad KINDI and Marley Cyrus and 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:31.360 the Cure. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.560 How do you look back on headlining that festival, because 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.800 that was twenty four fourteen, What are your recollections from 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.880 stapping on the pyramid stage of the headliner? 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:48.080 Like genuine fear, genuine to keep the car running, you 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.880 know what I mean. I might just not I don't 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.560 know if I really. I mean it was never not 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.520 I never, but there was genuine like man, this is 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.280 this is like a I don't really never get I 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.200 mean I get nervous excited, but it's on a low level. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.960 This was serious. This was like we built. It felt 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.440 like it was this sort of you know, we were 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:09.720 going to. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.640 Meet It's ther World Cup final, isn't it. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.560 We're going to meet meet a maker? 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:14.040 You know what I mean? 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.800 It's like Have you got it? Have you got the goods? 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.680 After all this time and the journey you've been on, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.000 you know you're going to be there? What you know? 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:23.000 Have you got anything? 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:23.200 You know? 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:23.960 You know? 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:30.320 So the first three songs, I was like, you know, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.440 it was I don't know, I kind of really know 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.160 what the hell was going on, like shell shock, you 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.520 know what I mean, because we're loud anyway, and it 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.960 was just like I was trying to figure out like 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.040 one hundred and twenty thousand people in front of me, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.440 and I know this is on the telly everywhere. You know, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.120 I don't have a dimensional because I've sat on the 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:57.400 setting and watched it and going, fuck, we all do it, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.480 you know what I mean? And then when people are 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.839 killing it, you sort of go yes, and I kind 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.839 of knew, you know that everyone have a say in 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:07.599 your performance. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:08.960 So that was going on. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:15.719 But I've learned to use all that and project out 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.960 like I need it to perform. I think I need that, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.360 I need all those voices to at some point just 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.000 tell them. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:26.840 All to leave me alone. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.439 Fucking leave me alone, and then I just and then 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.679 I just become one of the beastie boys, you know, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:34.600 with a Rickenbacker. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:35.120 You know what I mean. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.520 I think that's kind of where I where, like, you know, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.240 that's what I've over the years figured out my place 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.720 in the kind of what I do live is you know, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.640 like an m C with a guitar, you know what 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.040 I mean, try and and if I can feel the 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:58.920 crowd now take I feel a responsibility that we need 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.600 to give the these people that bet at night and entertain. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.280 Maybe back in the day, I resent like you just 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.440 be like, oh, fuck you. Then you know I'm gonna 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.320 move nor am I, which is you know that was 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.320 also a move, which is just that's that just a 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:13.920 youthful thing. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.480 That's just like when you first started out with. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.320 Maybe yeah, but and it's also you're probably not got 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:19.720 the goods. You're not got it in here to go. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.120 You know what. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.440 Fuck they're not into it, and I'm I want to 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.079 you know so, and it's like no, no, no, I'm 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.000 going to make this. I'm going to make you learn 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.960 to make things happen, like you know, you can make 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.800 shit happen. And that was a turning point of me 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.040 on stage where I started to feel more more of 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.280 a like it's all about creation for me and all 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.640 about you know, that's that's what I buzz off more 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.280 than anything in the world. So now I started, yeah, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.920 I can, I can kind of I can do ship 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.720 on stage that will make things happen just by it. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.640 But it does simple things to start with, and then 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.439 it's sort of developed. So then we did Crazy, which 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.719 putting myself in situations a bit like this. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.800 You know, the solo album. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.439 Is, why did I decide that it would be a 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.800 good idea to just do an acoustic song on my 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.000 own at glastony is like, and I've turned around to 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.120 get the guitar and I'm like, wow, this is huge, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.400 this is like it might going ah fuck, what the 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.000 chords again? 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.080 What are those? What are those? 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.640 What's the first line? Just as I'm about to sing it, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.560 and that's all going on. That goes really well, and 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:34.240 the crowd sing and everyone sort of relaxed with band relaxed. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.800 I put the guitar down and had a. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.600 Little word myself and said, mate, if you can do 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.080 that anything from now on in it's a piece of 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.760 yeah yeah, And then I relaxed, the crowd, the boys, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.640 everyone was just like and then the gig from that 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.160 moment just took off. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:56.040 And it was you know, it was the best, the 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.600 best night we've had as a band. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.600 In that case, if the opportunit he ever came again, 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.679 would you do it again? Or you're almost like it's 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.199 almost too good to touch. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:16.239 Mm hmm, I couldn't. Yeah, I'd have it again. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:18.080 Better. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.880 Oh you think there's more to give, like yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.720 There's something interesting about something comes out of a performance 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.600 from an artist when they get to headline Glassaby for 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:27.520 the first time, right, I. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:28.760 Think it's that from Stormzy. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:33.320 Effectively, it's not only them going this is what I do, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.040 but I think there's also an element of I've earned this, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.959 this is my platform, this is my first time. There's 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.480 a certain energy that goes with doing something for the 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.120 first time, the fear and all the adrenaline everything else. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.280 When you come back and do something for the second time, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.640 can it be better or it's just different, or because 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.240 you've there's sometimes you've headlined. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.640 Festivals, yeah multiple times. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.440 Probably, Yeah, it's a difficult one because you're you're absolutely 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.600 right observation that the nerves and the energy of that, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:06.120 but there may be a little more confidence in knowing 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.120 it's going to be okay and knowing that you know, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.600 you can kind of yeah, I don't know, you just 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.240 maybe enjoy the moment and sort of take it in 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.719 rather than sort of be this kind of like mad ball. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.720 Of excitement and energy. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.560 You can maybe, but I just think, you know, we've 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.240 had another record since then. You know, if we were 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.280 to do it again, we'd have another record, so we'd 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:33.840 have more music. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.720 And yeah, I mean, I'd absolutely love to do it. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.280 And now that you've seen Glass from the other side. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.120 And I think that's probably why, yeah, where it comes from, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.640 it was a better understanding. Yeah, and it was amazing 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.560 to be stood in the middle of that crowd and 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.960 at the pyramid and stuff seeing back. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.560 So talking about putting yourself in a situation where you 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.280 want to challenge yourself and do something new. We made 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.680 a solo album. The SLP is what it's called the 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.560 project and the name of the album. By the time 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.319 people hear this, the album will be out. When did 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.040 you first have the idea that you wanted to do this? 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:14.760 How long has that been kind of moving around in 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.280 your mind? 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:16.360 It came through. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.400 We decided to have a year off because we'd look 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.000 back at the you know, the last fifteen years and 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:24.600 realized we've not had a summer off. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.680 If we've not made an album, we're still toured. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.240 It was I think six albums in and where we've 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.480 got to it was the right. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.200 Time to just disappear for a little bit. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.600 And I thought, I don't know what I'm going to do, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.160 Like I'll start writing anyway. And then I had sort 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:45.680 of this meanwhile music in a hard drive, and I thought, well, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.000 this would be the time I wanted to put that out. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.000 I was just going to sit there for ten years. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.360 And is that stuff that you've been like tinkering with 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.840 when you've been writing a material for Kasdabian you've kind 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.400 of gone not quite right or for whatever reason, that 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.360 doesn't feel it feels more like it's part you just 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:03.800 instinctively knew it was part of something else. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:04.080 Yeah. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.360 Yeah, and it's movie soundtrack, you know, sort of how 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.160 much I love that world. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.480 They didn't feel right, But I thought, what would be 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.000 really interesting is this. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.920 Beginning, middle, and end Meanwhile in general, you know, meanwhile 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.960 the welcome break meanwhile on the side, and now with it, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.840 I thought, really I was kind of I thought, I 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.520 just fill in the gaps between and make something that 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.680 wasn't didn't have to consider a headline in glastroom me. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:38.080 You know, make go in the studio, work on instinct, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.440 get a beat, get a rhythm. If it's good, don't 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.440 question it. It goes in. And I enjoyed making it. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.280 It goes in. That was it, and I wanted to. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:52.440 Like this meanwhile thing of It's like a meanwhile in 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.640 the back cave. You know, yeah, it's like Bruce Wayne 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:57.120 you Batman. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.320 It's like just another part from SAB. 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.120 You always have to remember that of it, and you 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.760 know they s LP, so it's it just made sense 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.400 to me, I could see what it like. I didn't 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.720 want to just go, oh, I just put something around 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.920 Matt because you know, it's like always there always has 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:18.560 to be a reason and an artistic sort of no 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.760 point to it for me to just go, I can 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.160 that makes sense that I can do that. And then 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.280 finding I suppose it was like little pinpointing little parts 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.160 of my personality and then just turning them up of 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.360 it because you know, just. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.520 Yeah, like David. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.360 Byrne Bowie and all these boys that are big fans 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.360 of do you. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.600 Think it will surprise people because it's an album that 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.040 visits a lot of different corners of your musical taste. Like, yes, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.200 this is personally speaking, but it's quite diverse. So you've 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.520 got tracks on it. This could be like an m 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.120 A track, You've got some kind of like bally eric 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.280 kind of almost like melancholy dance club track. You've got 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:05.760 Scott Walker esque like beautiful spaghetti western strings. So it 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.320 really does run a spectrum. Yeah, so is that reflective 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.480 of that's just basically collecting altogether your tastes over the years. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:14.280 Yeah. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:20.520 Yeah, it's each each each each tune is an element 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.240 of me that I it's part of it. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.320 Say, it's a specific element of my personality. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.720 That's like I sort of what all the things you've 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.880 just mentioned, Then that's that's my record collection. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.400 Then you know it's interesting, isn't? 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.720 Because I think maybe there are some people that think 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.840 they imagine you working at home and listen to your 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.640 favorite music. They're just thinking, oh, so it's probably listening 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.760 to the Beatles record again or whatever, but in fact 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.639 you're probably more likely to be found listening to like 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.760 death Scripts or something. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:50.880 Absolutely. Yeah. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean it spans like I I sort 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.560 of go through phases, but I'm something earlier. It's like, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.320 I'm fascinated by things like any interests me and if 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.760 you with a little bit of human as well. I 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.800 was sort of you know, there's certain bands that I hear, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:11.280 certain things that little twist, a dark humor that's in 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.200 all my work. Really, if it's not a love song, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.040 and I don't like many of them, has to make 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.520 me laugh. That has to be an element of things 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:17.160 that would. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.520 Make is that kind of like almost like the no 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.680 Fielding approach to come with you or something. There's always 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.240 like a there's always like a dark sort slightly macab 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:24.040 weird twist. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.159 Yeah, and I wanted the album to have surprises. I 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.600 wanted no point you sort of go. I wanted that 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.760 I was not expecting to do this, and in every 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.040 track there is a moment where it just goes what 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.600 and you go, okay, this is so yeah, and that 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.400 that was a huge that was again from the outset. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.159 I kind of wanted, you know, that surprise element, you know, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.159 getting sims on, getting slow tie on, and then songs. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:54.760 There's a few in there that could be two songs 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.760 really but just like you know what, no, no disclue 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.240 them together. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.000 So why the guests you just mentioned there. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.560 So you've got Slow Tie and you've got Little Sims 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.399 kind of at the vanguard of like young British talent. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.159 Why choose to work with somebody like that, because obviously 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.080 when you approach you're like, you know, you said you're 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:13.719