1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:15,956 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:20,196 --> 00:00:22,396 Speaker 2: Before Hardy was known as the breakout artist who pushed 3 00:00:22,436 --> 00:00:25,236 Speaker 2: country music into hard rock territory, he was a self 4 00:00:25,236 --> 00:00:29,436 Speaker 2: proclaimed redneck from Philadelphia, Mississippi, who studied songwriting at Middle 5 00:00:29,436 --> 00:00:33,636 Speaker 2: Tennessee State University. Since moving to Nashville in twenty thirteen, 6 00:00:33,676 --> 00:00:37,036 Speaker 2: he's written sixteen number ones for artists like Morgan Wallend, 7 00:00:37,116 --> 00:00:40,796 Speaker 2: Blake Shelton, and Dirk Spentley. In twenty eighteen, with the 8 00:00:40,876 --> 00:00:44,236 Speaker 2: encouragement of producer Joey Moy and his label Big Loud, 9 00:00:44,396 --> 00:00:47,876 Speaker 2: Hardy started writing songs for himself and it paid off. 10 00:00:48,556 --> 00:00:50,796 Speaker 2: He's now a five time ACM Award winner and a 11 00:00:50,836 --> 00:00:53,676 Speaker 2: two time CMA Award winner, joining the upper echelon of 12 00:00:53,716 --> 00:00:56,876 Speaker 2: Big Loud artists that Moy has helped build, alongside Morgan 13 00:00:56,916 --> 00:01:00,876 Speaker 2: Wallan and Florida Georgia Line. Today's episode, Leo Rose talks 14 00:01:00,916 --> 00:01:03,436 Speaker 2: to Hardy about the craft of writing a song that sticks, 15 00:01:03,636 --> 00:01:06,876 Speaker 2: including what he's learned from studying artists like Eminem. They 16 00:01:06,876 --> 00:01:08,996 Speaker 2: also get into how AI is showing up in Nashville 17 00:01:09,556 --> 00:01:12,756 Speaker 2: rooms and why Hardy thinks bro country isn't going anywhere 18 00:01:12,836 --> 00:01:21,796 Speaker 2: anytime soon. This is broken record, real musicians, real conversations. 19 00:01:25,516 --> 00:01:28,396 Speaker 2: Here's Leo Rhodes with Hardy. Head over to YouTube dot 20 00:01:28,436 --> 00:01:30,956 Speaker 2: com slash Broken Record Podcast if you want to see 21 00:01:30,956 --> 00:01:31,396 Speaker 2: the video. 22 00:01:32,876 --> 00:01:37,076 Speaker 3: Brad Paisley has the uh well I'm gonna miss her, 23 00:01:37,356 --> 00:01:40,076 Speaker 3: you know the song about uh. She says if you know, 24 00:01:40,156 --> 00:01:42,556 Speaker 3: it's like if if you if you go fishing today, 25 00:01:42,556 --> 00:01:44,396 Speaker 3: we're over, and then he just says I'm gonna miss her. 26 00:01:44,436 --> 00:01:47,436 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's like some shit I would do, 27 00:01:47,516 --> 00:01:48,076 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 28 00:01:48,156 --> 00:01:51,396 Speaker 3: Especially as and so I started that's when I started 29 00:01:51,436 --> 00:01:53,276 Speaker 3: getting into country. It was just when it kind of started, 30 00:01:53,476 --> 00:01:55,356 Speaker 3: just the lyrics got a little more clever and it 31 00:01:55,436 --> 00:01:58,156 Speaker 3: just appealed to like people that grew up country. 32 00:01:58,236 --> 00:02:00,436 Speaker 4: So is the bro country era? Like that's over? 33 00:02:01,036 --> 00:02:01,356 Speaker 1: Okay? 34 00:02:01,436 --> 00:02:03,356 Speaker 3: So I I you know, I'm glad you asked. I 35 00:02:03,396 --> 00:02:04,956 Speaker 3: have not commented on this yet. 36 00:02:12,396 --> 00:02:16,956 Speaker 4: I know you studied songwriting at school for a period 37 00:02:17,036 --> 00:02:18,516 Speaker 4: of time. But how did you how do you go 38 00:02:18,596 --> 00:02:20,876 Speaker 4: from just being like a regular like high school kid 39 00:02:20,916 --> 00:02:22,716 Speaker 4: to like making the move to Nashville, Like, how do 40 00:02:22,756 --> 00:02:24,396 Speaker 4: you even know that any of this existed? 41 00:02:24,636 --> 00:02:27,396 Speaker 3: Well, so, my sister moved to Nashville before I did. 42 00:02:28,436 --> 00:02:29,836 Speaker 3: She's a year and a half older than me. She 43 00:02:29,876 --> 00:02:34,036 Speaker 3: was two grades above me. She was a singer. She 44 00:02:34,116 --> 00:02:36,836 Speaker 3: was really talented, still is a really talented singer, and 45 00:02:37,756 --> 00:02:42,316 Speaker 3: you know, she she moved to town and I was 46 00:02:42,356 --> 00:02:45,836 Speaker 3: in like junior college and just didn't know what I 47 00:02:45,836 --> 00:02:47,836 Speaker 3: wanted to do. And at the same time, I had 48 00:02:47,916 --> 00:02:50,596 Speaker 3: kind of gotten you know, decent at guitar and had 49 00:02:50,596 --> 00:02:52,796 Speaker 3: written a couple songs I mean that literally is it, 50 00:02:53,716 --> 00:02:55,476 Speaker 3: and was sending them to her. You know, I was 51 00:02:55,476 --> 00:02:57,356 Speaker 3: recording them on back then. I don't even know what 52 00:02:57,396 --> 00:02:59,596 Speaker 3: I recorded it on. It was before iPhones, and. 53 00:03:00,956 --> 00:03:03,596 Speaker 1: But I sent them to her and she basically hit 54 00:03:03,676 --> 00:03:04,156 Speaker 1: me up. One day. 55 00:03:04,156 --> 00:03:05,716 Speaker 3: I was just like, hey, you know, there's a whole 56 00:03:05,716 --> 00:03:09,436 Speaker 3: industry here, like the songwriting, the publishing industry, where you 57 00:03:09,476 --> 00:03:11,316 Speaker 3: get people get paid to write songs, and most of 58 00:03:11,316 --> 00:03:13,356 Speaker 3: the songs you hear on the radio aren't written by 59 00:03:13,356 --> 00:03:14,956 Speaker 3: that artist, or at least it was written by like 60 00:03:14,956 --> 00:03:16,636 Speaker 3: some normal guys and girls that just go to the 61 00:03:16,676 --> 00:03:17,556 Speaker 3: grocery store every day. 62 00:03:17,556 --> 00:03:20,716 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't listen to country music growing up. 63 00:03:20,716 --> 00:03:22,036 Speaker 3: I grew up in a small town, and I grew 64 00:03:22,116 --> 00:03:23,836 Speaker 3: up hunting and fishing and doing all the stuff. But 65 00:03:23,996 --> 00:03:26,636 Speaker 3: I didn't listen to country music because it didn't appeal 66 00:03:26,676 --> 00:03:28,396 Speaker 3: to me at all. There was nothing I got out 67 00:03:28,436 --> 00:03:30,036 Speaker 3: of it until like Eric Church and some of these 68 00:03:30,036 --> 00:03:31,716 Speaker 3: guys that started kind of singing about being a good 69 00:03:31,756 --> 00:03:34,076 Speaker 3: old boy came along, and then I was like, Okay, 70 00:03:34,076 --> 00:03:36,196 Speaker 3: I do this stuff, so I resonate with it. But 71 00:03:37,036 --> 00:03:40,516 Speaker 3: I learned more about songwriting by locking myself in a 72 00:03:40,596 --> 00:03:43,436 Speaker 3: room for four years and just listening to country music 73 00:03:43,476 --> 00:03:46,116 Speaker 3: and trying to more or less replicate that in. 74 00:03:46,076 --> 00:03:48,716 Speaker 1: My own way than I did in school. 75 00:03:50,156 --> 00:03:51,916 Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like I got very lucky 76 00:03:51,916 --> 00:03:53,716 Speaker 3: and I just made a snap decision and I just 77 00:03:53,756 --> 00:03:54,596 Speaker 3: sort of wound up here. 78 00:03:54,636 --> 00:03:55,956 Speaker 1: I mean I worked really hard. 79 00:03:55,756 --> 00:03:58,156 Speaker 3: You know, with once I signed a publishing deal and 80 00:03:58,196 --> 00:04:00,756 Speaker 3: all that, and really never gave up and never thought 81 00:04:00,756 --> 00:04:03,076 Speaker 3: about giving up and all that good stuff. But I 82 00:04:03,156 --> 00:04:06,436 Speaker 3: just I made such a snap decision and it just which, 83 00:04:06,636 --> 00:04:08,476 Speaker 3: you know, that's I just felt like it was just 84 00:04:08,516 --> 00:04:08,916 Speaker 3: meant to be. 85 00:04:10,476 --> 00:04:13,756 Speaker 4: I also saw you that used to be really into 86 00:04:13,876 --> 00:04:15,876 Speaker 4: like new metal, like you went through a phase I 87 00:04:15,876 --> 00:04:17,556 Speaker 4: guess when you were a teenager. 88 00:04:17,196 --> 00:04:20,676 Speaker 1: Still in it. You're still in it of course, all 89 00:04:20,716 --> 00:04:21,276 Speaker 1: this stuff. 90 00:04:22,076 --> 00:04:23,676 Speaker 4: I was so happy for you that you did a 91 00:04:23,676 --> 00:04:25,916 Speaker 4: song with fred Durst. I was like, that must have 92 00:04:25,996 --> 00:04:26,676 Speaker 4: been so cool. 93 00:04:27,196 --> 00:04:27,436 Speaker 1: It was. 94 00:04:27,596 --> 00:04:31,596 Speaker 3: It was a moment where they're like, you know, there's 95 00:04:31,636 --> 00:04:34,036 Speaker 3: a lot of highs and there's a lot of wow. 96 00:04:34,076 --> 00:04:35,716 Speaker 3: I can't believe I met this person or I wrote 97 00:04:35,756 --> 00:04:37,476 Speaker 3: a song for this person, or what I'm doing a 98 00:04:37,476 --> 00:04:38,236 Speaker 3: song with this person. 99 00:04:38,276 --> 00:04:40,796 Speaker 1: But man, the Fred one was different. 100 00:04:40,876 --> 00:04:42,876 Speaker 3: And I was like in Italy at the time, and 101 00:04:42,956 --> 00:04:44,996 Speaker 3: my at the time, a guy that was working at 102 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:46,876 Speaker 3: my label. We had reached out to him, but I 103 00:04:46,916 --> 00:04:48,716 Speaker 3: had no connection to him other than the guy that 104 00:04:48,796 --> 00:04:49,716 Speaker 3: was working in my label. 105 00:04:50,476 --> 00:04:52,076 Speaker 1: He texted me just said, hey, if you get a. 106 00:04:51,996 --> 00:04:54,676 Speaker 3: Phone call today from like whatever number, like answer it, 107 00:04:54,676 --> 00:04:56,396 Speaker 3: It's gonna be Fred Durst. And I was like what 108 00:04:57,076 --> 00:04:59,996 Speaker 3: and so I it was like one of the coolest 109 00:05:00,756 --> 00:05:01,396 Speaker 3: things ever. 110 00:05:01,476 --> 00:05:03,316 Speaker 1: I mean, it was such a huge Lambiscuit fan. I 111 00:05:03,396 --> 00:05:05,036 Speaker 1: still am. I love the stuff they's put out to 112 00:05:05,076 --> 00:05:08,036 Speaker 1: this day. But yeah, all that stuff, I mean that 113 00:05:08,116 --> 00:05:08,676 Speaker 1: really that was. 114 00:05:08,756 --> 00:05:11,516 Speaker 3: I was new metal was when I was like age 115 00:05:11,636 --> 00:05:13,836 Speaker 3: nine to like, you know, fourteen, So those are very 116 00:05:14,476 --> 00:05:16,716 Speaker 3: very absorbing music years. 117 00:05:16,676 --> 00:05:19,116 Speaker 1: For me, and so I took in a lot of that. 118 00:05:19,236 --> 00:05:22,796 Speaker 3: It just it was, man, something about like all that 119 00:05:22,796 --> 00:05:26,596 Speaker 3: stuff Lincoln Park. I mean I had I begged my 120 00:05:26,676 --> 00:05:28,916 Speaker 3: parents for the Hybrid Theory record when I was like 121 00:05:28,996 --> 00:05:30,676 Speaker 3: ten years old, and the guy gave it to me, 122 00:05:30,716 --> 00:05:33,396 Speaker 3: and and uh, it just it changed my life. 123 00:05:33,436 --> 00:05:35,316 Speaker 1: I mean I was obsessed with that stuff. I still am. 124 00:05:35,356 --> 00:05:37,516 Speaker 1: I love it. I love new metal so much. 125 00:05:38,236 --> 00:05:41,036 Speaker 4: That's so cool. I hear very few people like people 126 00:05:41,076 --> 00:05:43,116 Speaker 4: like to shit on new metal, but I love that 127 00:05:43,156 --> 00:05:44,516 Speaker 4: you're into it. 128 00:05:44,756 --> 00:05:46,356 Speaker 1: I mean, you can shit on it all you want. 129 00:05:46,436 --> 00:05:50,356 Speaker 3: But like, I know for a fact that both Lincoln 130 00:05:50,396 --> 00:05:52,716 Speaker 3: Park and lit Biscuit at separate times were the biggest 131 00:05:52,716 --> 00:05:53,516 Speaker 3: bands in the world. 132 00:05:54,196 --> 00:05:55,956 Speaker 1: Yeah, System of a Down, same thing. 133 00:05:56,036 --> 00:05:58,756 Speaker 3: They're kind, they're I guess they're new metal ish, they're 134 00:05:58,796 --> 00:06:01,676 Speaker 3: they're just their own thing. They're huge, But yeah, they're 135 00:06:01,996 --> 00:06:06,036 Speaker 3: that that era of rock and roll, aside from like 136 00:06:06,356 --> 00:06:10,596 Speaker 3: a little bit after that with like Nickelback and Three 137 00:06:10,636 --> 00:06:15,636 Speaker 3: Doors Down, that was like the last era of bands 138 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:19,316 Speaker 3: that were just absolutely worldwide, gigantic, so you can shop 139 00:06:19,396 --> 00:06:21,116 Speaker 3: on it all your own, but that shit was worldwide 140 00:06:21,156 --> 00:06:24,396 Speaker 3: and they crushed it. So you know, a lot more 141 00:06:24,396 --> 00:06:25,436 Speaker 3: people liked it than didn't. 142 00:06:25,436 --> 00:06:26,036 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. 143 00:06:26,836 --> 00:06:29,636 Speaker 4: What about metal, Like, were you into like Slipknot. Were 144 00:06:29,636 --> 00:06:32,116 Speaker 4: you into like more like harder metal stuff. 145 00:06:32,596 --> 00:06:37,236 Speaker 1: Yes, I love my Suga a lot. 146 00:06:37,836 --> 00:06:43,596 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I didn't get into Slipknot as much until 147 00:06:44,876 --> 00:06:47,676 Speaker 3: I was older. I know that was kind of happening 148 00:06:47,716 --> 00:06:49,636 Speaker 3: at the same time, but I just I wasn't into 149 00:06:49,716 --> 00:06:54,396 Speaker 3: slip Knot quite as much. But let's see, high school 150 00:06:54,556 --> 00:06:56,956 Speaker 3: like a kid made me a burnt set. I was 151 00:06:56,996 --> 00:07:01,316 Speaker 3: more like in the post hardcore era or like you know, 152 00:07:01,356 --> 00:07:05,516 Speaker 3: like people call it death core early like a day 153 00:07:05,556 --> 00:07:07,956 Speaker 3: to remember, like like August Burns. 154 00:07:07,716 --> 00:07:10,716 Speaker 1: Red and I don't know. 155 00:07:10,716 --> 00:07:13,276 Speaker 3: There's so many and I rode that way for for 156 00:07:13,356 --> 00:07:15,756 Speaker 3: quite some time, and I still listen to a lot 157 00:07:15,796 --> 00:07:16,356 Speaker 3: of stuff now. 158 00:07:16,516 --> 00:07:17,836 Speaker 1: I love Spirit Box. 159 00:07:17,916 --> 00:07:22,276 Speaker 3: I think it's dope. I like Falling in Reverse. I 160 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:24,436 Speaker 3: if another one that people like to shit on, but 161 00:07:24,516 --> 00:07:27,076 Speaker 3: I think it's like the fresh freshest ship that's been 162 00:07:27,196 --> 00:07:28,036 Speaker 3: come out in a long time. 163 00:07:28,036 --> 00:07:31,436 Speaker 1: To Sleep Token, oh, I don't know, Sleep Token, Oh 164 00:07:31,516 --> 00:07:34,796 Speaker 1: my god, you have to listen to Sleep Talking so sick. 165 00:07:35,636 --> 00:07:38,156 Speaker 1: They are so sick, the huge. 166 00:07:37,876 --> 00:07:40,476 Speaker 3: Like genre blenders, but they're really cool. But yeah, I 167 00:07:40,516 --> 00:07:42,556 Speaker 3: love all that stuff. If it grooves like I can't 168 00:07:42,556 --> 00:07:44,996 Speaker 3: listen to I'm not a big like black metal or 169 00:07:45,076 --> 00:07:46,996 Speaker 3: just nothing that really ever grooves. 170 00:07:47,156 --> 00:07:49,596 Speaker 1: That's why I love Michelle so much is their rifts. 171 00:07:49,276 --> 00:07:52,996 Speaker 3: Were so like clean and and just groovy, and I 172 00:07:53,036 --> 00:07:53,876 Speaker 3: just I love that kind. 173 00:07:53,716 --> 00:07:56,476 Speaker 4: Of Yeah, were you kind of like an outcast in 174 00:07:56,516 --> 00:07:58,556 Speaker 4: high school? Like what was your what were and what 175 00:07:58,596 --> 00:08:00,316 Speaker 4: were you dressing? Like, like did you have like the 176 00:08:00,396 --> 00:08:02,436 Speaker 4: spikey Lincoln Park hair? 177 00:08:02,596 --> 00:08:05,156 Speaker 1: No, I was. I was kind of a regular Southern boy. 178 00:08:05,156 --> 00:08:07,756 Speaker 3: People in high school like to tell me that, uh 179 00:08:08,116 --> 00:08:09,476 Speaker 3: that I was a little bit differ friend and I 180 00:08:09,516 --> 00:08:11,396 Speaker 3: was kind of a rocker kid, and I guess maybe 181 00:08:11,436 --> 00:08:14,876 Speaker 3: I was, But no, I just music was ironically kind 182 00:08:14,876 --> 00:08:17,556 Speaker 3: of a big Like it was big in my hometown, 183 00:08:17,596 --> 00:08:20,516 Speaker 3: and like people loved music and all different kinds and 184 00:08:20,556 --> 00:08:21,836 Speaker 3: there was a little bit of a scene. You know. 185 00:08:21,876 --> 00:08:23,796 Speaker 1: There was a couple of seen kids and metal kids 186 00:08:23,836 --> 00:08:25,676 Speaker 1: that that I went to high school with. 187 00:08:25,716 --> 00:08:27,676 Speaker 3: But they were also like they were cool, you know, 188 00:08:27,796 --> 00:08:29,956 Speaker 3: and and uh are just you know, they were popular, 189 00:08:29,996 --> 00:08:30,516 Speaker 3: they had friends. 190 00:08:30,556 --> 00:08:32,956 Speaker 1: It was just it was sort of different. But no, 191 00:08:33,116 --> 00:08:35,876 Speaker 1: I was. I felt like I belonged just right where 192 00:08:35,916 --> 00:08:37,036 Speaker 1: I was and had a good I. 193 00:08:37,036 --> 00:08:39,156 Speaker 3: Mean, I was in I was in like FFA and shit, 194 00:08:39,316 --> 00:08:41,836 Speaker 3: I was I was a country kid. 195 00:08:41,876 --> 00:08:45,436 Speaker 1: I just, uh wait, that's Farmers future Farmers of America. 196 00:08:45,516 --> 00:08:47,036 Speaker 1: It's my favorite class school. 197 00:08:47,756 --> 00:08:48,436 Speaker 4: Oh nice. 198 00:08:49,916 --> 00:08:52,996 Speaker 3: Most of my close buddies though, were like, bro, turn 199 00:08:53,036 --> 00:08:54,796 Speaker 3: the ship off when I would play stuff like that. 200 00:08:54,876 --> 00:08:57,516 Speaker 3: But I just you know, I loved it, and I 201 00:08:57,556 --> 00:08:59,116 Speaker 3: have I had my metal buddies, and I had my 202 00:08:59,236 --> 00:09:01,476 Speaker 3: my hunting buddies and you know all that kind of stuff. 203 00:09:02,196 --> 00:09:04,196 Speaker 4: How old are you when you're allowed to start hunting? 204 00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:05,276 Speaker 1: Seven? 205 00:09:05,916 --> 00:09:09,516 Speaker 4: Maybe I have an eight year old right now. 206 00:09:09,556 --> 00:09:13,076 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, I think I said my first 207 00:09:13,076 --> 00:09:15,956 Speaker 3: deer when I was seven hunting by myself. 208 00:09:15,996 --> 00:09:20,556 Speaker 1: I think I was like twelve. Wow. Obviously like my you. 209 00:09:20,516 --> 00:09:23,156 Speaker 3: Know, I would go with my dad and we would 210 00:09:23,156 --> 00:09:24,356 Speaker 3: go separate ways or whatever. 211 00:09:24,436 --> 00:09:28,236 Speaker 1: But but yeah, a really really young age. It's it's 212 00:09:28,236 --> 00:09:29,356 Speaker 1: a big part of my family. 213 00:09:29,636 --> 00:09:29,756 Speaker 4: Uh. 214 00:09:29,796 --> 00:09:33,196 Speaker 1: The men in my specifically, we all were in still 215 00:09:33,236 --> 00:09:34,676 Speaker 1: are big deer hunters. 216 00:09:35,076 --> 00:09:38,276 Speaker 4: Yep. So you talked a little bit about the country 217 00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:40,956 Speaker 4: that was popular when you were growing up and how 218 00:09:40,956 --> 00:09:43,396 Speaker 4: you didn't identify with it. I guess was that like 219 00:09:43,436 --> 00:09:45,676 Speaker 4: what was that era? Like how would you classify the 220 00:09:46,476 --> 00:09:48,116 Speaker 4: music like it was nineties? 221 00:09:48,196 --> 00:09:48,356 Speaker 1: Right? 222 00:09:48,436 --> 00:09:50,516 Speaker 3: Yeah, late nineties, early two thousands. It was a lot 223 00:09:50,556 --> 00:09:52,396 Speaker 3: of like honky tongue music. I mean, I grew up 224 00:09:52,396 --> 00:09:54,716 Speaker 3: in a dry county. I didn't drink. I wasn't I 225 00:09:54,756 --> 00:09:57,036 Speaker 3: didn't start drinking early, you know what I mean. I'd 226 00:09:57,116 --> 00:10:00,956 Speaker 3: start drinking like or having had my first few beers. 227 00:10:00,996 --> 00:10:03,756 Speaker 3: I guess you would say, like eighteen nineteen years old, 228 00:10:03,756 --> 00:10:06,796 Speaker 3: like most most kids, you know, maybe twenty, but. 229 00:10:06,796 --> 00:10:07,996 Speaker 4: You're hunting at seven. 230 00:10:08,636 --> 00:10:10,876 Speaker 1: Yeah, seven. But I didn't start drinking until I was 231 00:10:11,076 --> 00:10:14,676 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah. It just didn't appeal to me there. 232 00:10:14,716 --> 00:10:16,596 Speaker 3: I'd never been in a bar, you know, And and 233 00:10:16,876 --> 00:10:18,596 Speaker 3: it was either that or it was very It was 234 00:10:18,716 --> 00:10:21,596 Speaker 3: like a lot of adult It appealed more to adults 235 00:10:21,636 --> 00:10:24,436 Speaker 3: back then. I feel like the subject matter and and 236 00:10:24,996 --> 00:10:27,636 Speaker 3: uh huh, I just didn't. It just didn't resonate with me, 237 00:10:27,716 --> 00:10:29,436 Speaker 3: you know, Brooks and Done who I now go back 238 00:10:29,476 --> 00:10:32,396 Speaker 3: and I'm like, this music is awesome. But a sixteen 239 00:10:32,436 --> 00:10:34,076 Speaker 3: year old kid, you know, I don't know anything about 240 00:10:34,076 --> 00:10:36,916 Speaker 3: boot Scoot and Boy. I've never I've never swing danced 241 00:10:36,996 --> 00:10:38,956 Speaker 3: or whatever that whatever that song is about. 242 00:10:40,116 --> 00:10:42,276 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just it was it just did 243 00:10:42,356 --> 00:10:44,396 Speaker 1: not appeal to me at all. It was just very 244 00:10:44,436 --> 00:10:47,716 Speaker 1: adult and not until Brad. 245 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:51,756 Speaker 3: Paisley has the uh I'm gonna miss her, you know 246 00:10:51,836 --> 00:10:54,516 Speaker 3: the song about uh. She says if you know, it's 247 00:10:54,596 --> 00:10:56,916 Speaker 3: like if if you if you go fishing today were 248 00:10:56,956 --> 00:10:58,636 Speaker 3: over and then he just says, I'm gonna miss her. 249 00:10:58,636 --> 00:11:00,356 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's. 250 00:11:00,356 --> 00:11:01,956 Speaker 3: That's like some ship I would do, you know what 251 00:11:01,996 --> 00:11:05,276 Speaker 3: I mean, especially as and so I started that's when 252 00:11:05,276 --> 00:11:06,316 Speaker 3: I started getting into the country. 253 00:11:06,356 --> 00:11:07,916 Speaker 1: It was just when it kind of started to just. 254 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:09,756 Speaker 3: The lyrics got a little more clar and it just 255 00:11:09,796 --> 00:11:12,276 Speaker 3: appealed to like people that grew up country. 256 00:11:12,316 --> 00:11:14,196 Speaker 1: I feel like that was not a thing in the nineties. 257 00:11:14,196 --> 00:11:15,076 Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot. 258 00:11:14,876 --> 00:11:18,676 Speaker 3: Of country boy can survive type stuff in the nineties. 259 00:11:19,796 --> 00:11:22,036 Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense when you could see yourself in 260 00:11:22,076 --> 00:11:25,756 Speaker 4: the music. Yeah, I heard you talking about like songwriting 261 00:11:25,836 --> 00:11:28,876 Speaker 4: now in Nashville has gotten very industrialized. 262 00:11:29,716 --> 00:11:31,676 Speaker 3: I guess what I meant by that more than anything 263 00:11:31,996 --> 00:11:35,276 Speaker 3: is it's just you don't nobody sits around and withou 264 00:11:35,396 --> 00:11:38,236 Speaker 3: lights candles and says kumbai and talks about what they 265 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:40,796 Speaker 3: what they've you know, what they've been through and what 266 00:11:40,836 --> 00:11:42,676 Speaker 3: that I mean that that does happen, It's happened to 267 00:11:42,756 --> 00:11:44,676 Speaker 3: me and it's I've written those kinds of songs and 268 00:11:44,676 --> 00:11:49,156 Speaker 3: they've been recorded and everything, but but uh, you know, 269 00:11:49,316 --> 00:11:51,556 Speaker 3: really it's just you you sit down that day and 270 00:11:51,596 --> 00:11:53,076 Speaker 3: you try to write a hit or just the best 271 00:11:53,076 --> 00:11:54,916 Speaker 3: song in the room, and it's just it's kind of 272 00:11:54,956 --> 00:11:56,516 Speaker 3: the same thing over and over and over again. 273 00:11:56,556 --> 00:11:58,596 Speaker 1: And that's and that's okay. It's just it's it's a job. 274 00:11:58,636 --> 00:12:01,116 Speaker 3: It's literally like any other job where you know, you 275 00:12:01,236 --> 00:12:03,516 Speaker 3: kind of just do somewhat of the same thing every day, 276 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:06,276 Speaker 3: and uh, that's all I mean. You know, there's there's 277 00:12:06,316 --> 00:12:09,156 Speaker 3: all kinds of cool, little magic moments throughout town. And 278 00:12:08,956 --> 00:12:11,956 Speaker 3: you know, like I wrote a song that Cody Johnson 279 00:12:11,956 --> 00:12:14,716 Speaker 3: recorded called Jesus Loves You. It's not what you think 280 00:12:14,756 --> 00:12:16,836 Speaker 3: if you go listen to it, but about a guy 281 00:12:16,916 --> 00:12:20,156 Speaker 3: that is talking to a guy in jail because the 282 00:12:20,196 --> 00:12:24,036 Speaker 3: guy in jail broke into this guy's house and stuff 283 00:12:24,076 --> 00:12:25,836 Speaker 3: like that. Like a buddy of mine came in with 284 00:12:25,876 --> 00:12:28,116 Speaker 3: that exact story the next day because somebody had broken 285 00:12:28,116 --> 00:12:31,316 Speaker 3: into his house and anyway, so like you know, stuff 286 00:12:31,356 --> 00:12:33,316 Speaker 3: like that, like it does happen, but it's it's just 287 00:12:33,396 --> 00:12:36,356 Speaker 3: not as common as uh as just sitting sitting down 288 00:12:36,356 --> 00:12:37,756 Speaker 3: and just trying to write a good song every day. 289 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:40,636 Speaker 3: And in that way, I think it's industrialized for sure. 290 00:12:41,396 --> 00:12:44,356 Speaker 4: Got you. Yeah, So are you still enjoying it? Are 291 00:12:44,356 --> 00:12:45,796 Speaker 4: you still enjoying writing songs? 292 00:12:45,876 --> 00:12:46,876 Speaker 1: I love it so much. 293 00:12:46,916 --> 00:12:48,716 Speaker 3: It's my I enjoy it more than any part of 294 00:12:48,716 --> 00:12:50,676 Speaker 3: my career. I enjoy it all, but I enjoy it 295 00:12:50,836 --> 00:12:52,156 Speaker 3: more than any part of my career. 296 00:12:52,516 --> 00:12:57,716 Speaker 4: I mean, that feels like pretty amazing because you've obviously 297 00:12:57,756 --> 00:13:00,196 Speaker 4: done it for so long. You're almost like a decade. 298 00:12:59,876 --> 00:13:02,556 Speaker 1: In right, professionally twelve years in. 299 00:13:03,516 --> 00:13:06,756 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the fact that you still love it is 300 00:13:06,756 --> 00:13:07,956 Speaker 4: pretty amazing. 301 00:13:09,356 --> 00:13:09,516 Speaker 1: That. 302 00:13:09,596 --> 00:13:12,916 Speaker 3: I mean, I like to consider myself a decent singer 303 00:13:12,956 --> 00:13:15,836 Speaker 3: and a pretty good performer, but I think that the 304 00:13:15,876 --> 00:13:17,476 Speaker 3: reason that I was put on this earth was to 305 00:13:17,516 --> 00:13:19,956 Speaker 3: write songs. There's just just something that happens to me 306 00:13:20,076 --> 00:13:24,236 Speaker 3: in a songwriting room that, like, I can be having 307 00:13:24,276 --> 00:13:26,436 Speaker 3: the worst day, I could be having like a mental 308 00:13:26,476 --> 00:13:28,956 Speaker 3: breakdown or anxiety or whatever it is, and the second 309 00:13:28,996 --> 00:13:30,716 Speaker 3: we get on a song and start digging into a 310 00:13:30,796 --> 00:13:31,516 Speaker 3: lyric or whatever. 311 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:34,676 Speaker 1: I mean, everything in the world just goes away. 312 00:13:34,916 --> 00:13:38,796 Speaker 3: And that's that is that it is my zen moment, 313 00:13:38,916 --> 00:13:41,396 Speaker 3: especially professionally. It's like the one time that I just 314 00:13:41,436 --> 00:13:44,436 Speaker 3: sort of feel like I'm just in a different place 315 00:13:44,476 --> 00:13:45,916 Speaker 3: and it's just such a cool thing. 316 00:13:45,956 --> 00:13:46,876 Speaker 1: I love it so much. 317 00:13:48,276 --> 00:13:50,356 Speaker 4: Have you ever tried to analyze what it is about 318 00:13:50,356 --> 00:13:52,556 Speaker 4: the process that you love so much? Like, is it 319 00:13:52,636 --> 00:13:54,916 Speaker 4: like the puzzle part of it? Is it the like 320 00:13:55,036 --> 00:13:56,716 Speaker 4: clever side of it? 321 00:13:57,396 --> 00:13:57,556 Speaker 3: Uh? 322 00:13:57,956 --> 00:14:00,516 Speaker 1: A lot? I think all of it, I think, or 323 00:14:00,556 --> 00:14:02,476 Speaker 1: at least those two things. You kind of nailed it. 324 00:14:02,516 --> 00:14:05,916 Speaker 3: I mean it is very much, especially with country, like 325 00:14:05,996 --> 00:14:08,356 Speaker 3: every line has a place like you're not there's you know, 326 00:14:08,396 --> 00:14:10,836 Speaker 3: somewhat of rule, like you don't really you're not supposed 327 00:14:10,836 --> 00:14:13,116 Speaker 3: to contradict yourself, like don't say anything that you said 328 00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:15,676 Speaker 3: before in the song within the song. You know, there's 329 00:14:15,676 --> 00:14:19,076 Speaker 3: all these different kind of caveats or rules or whatever, and. 330 00:14:20,836 --> 00:14:22,556 Speaker 1: I just love and so in that way, it's like 331 00:14:22,596 --> 00:14:23,036 Speaker 1: a puzzle. 332 00:14:23,076 --> 00:14:24,716 Speaker 3: It's like, well, what do we say in the second 333 00:14:24,796 --> 00:14:26,516 Speaker 3: verse that we haven't said in the first verse, and 334 00:14:26,596 --> 00:14:28,756 Speaker 3: like how does that course sort of change the course? 335 00:14:28,756 --> 00:14:30,836 Speaker 3: But you get back to the chorus in the same 336 00:14:30,876 --> 00:14:33,676 Speaker 3: way and all that. The puzzle is like really my 337 00:14:33,756 --> 00:14:38,396 Speaker 3: favorite part. But lyric more than anything, like a lyric, 338 00:14:38,476 --> 00:14:40,676 Speaker 3: the lyrics more than the melody and the music and 339 00:14:40,676 --> 00:14:41,356 Speaker 3: all that. 340 00:14:41,076 --> 00:14:43,596 Speaker 1: That's that's where I get off. I love that stuff. 341 00:14:44,596 --> 00:14:46,796 Speaker 4: Is it okay in the room when you're in the 342 00:14:46,876 --> 00:14:49,236 Speaker 4: room with people and you're writing, Is it okay to 343 00:14:49,316 --> 00:14:49,796 Speaker 4: use AI? 344 00:14:49,996 --> 00:14:50,076 Speaker 3: Like? 345 00:14:50,196 --> 00:14:52,516 Speaker 4: Is it okay to like put something in chat gpt 346 00:14:52,676 --> 00:14:54,436 Speaker 4: and be like can you like I do it. 347 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:58,516 Speaker 3: All the time with with with uh you get Look, 348 00:14:58,756 --> 00:15:02,476 Speaker 3: here's the thing. Any Nashville songwriter would be lying if 349 00:15:02,516 --> 00:15:04,596 Speaker 3: they didn't say that they didn't go to write either 350 00:15:04,636 --> 00:15:07,156 Speaker 3: like rhyme zone dot com or like a rhyming. 351 00:15:07,556 --> 00:15:08,996 Speaker 1: Dictionary website thing. 352 00:15:10,636 --> 00:15:12,956 Speaker 3: And so if I'm stuck and I'm like, hey, can 353 00:15:12,956 --> 00:15:15,716 Speaker 3: you give me a line for whatever that is in 354 00:15:15,756 --> 00:15:18,436 Speaker 3: the vein of like you know, being outside in the woods, 355 00:15:18,436 --> 00:15:20,316 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at my computer back screen, which is 356 00:15:20,356 --> 00:15:22,796 Speaker 3: like you know the woods, and you know, half the time, 357 00:15:23,436 --> 00:15:26,956 Speaker 3: like I would never chat chat GPT doesn't have a soul, 358 00:15:27,516 --> 00:15:30,836 Speaker 3: so like it doesn't a I would never ask it. 359 00:15:30,876 --> 00:15:34,276 Speaker 3: But it doesn't get like the inner soul that produces 360 00:15:34,316 --> 00:15:36,356 Speaker 3: like the lyric that will make somebody cry, if that 361 00:15:36,396 --> 00:15:36,956 Speaker 3: makes sense. 362 00:15:37,516 --> 00:15:39,116 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that all just comes from being a. 363 00:15:39,156 --> 00:15:42,796 Speaker 3: Human, but with like rhymes and just sort of stuff, 364 00:15:42,876 --> 00:15:44,836 Speaker 3: really simple stuff I've used it before for sure. 365 00:15:46,036 --> 00:15:48,596 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's, if anything, it's like a 366 00:15:48,636 --> 00:15:49,756 Speaker 4: good jumping off point. 367 00:15:50,356 --> 00:15:52,156 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean it's not going I love that. You 368 00:15:52,236 --> 00:15:53,236 Speaker 1: might as well be a part of it. 369 00:15:53,236 --> 00:15:53,436 Speaker 3: You know. 370 00:15:54,516 --> 00:15:56,316 Speaker 4: So when you locked yourself in the room, what did 371 00:15:56,356 --> 00:15:58,556 Speaker 4: you figure out about country? Like what was the formula? 372 00:15:58,676 --> 00:16:01,756 Speaker 4: Did you crack the formula or did you were you 373 00:16:01,796 --> 00:16:04,596 Speaker 4: like trying to figure out themes that like resonated with 374 00:16:04,636 --> 00:16:07,196 Speaker 4: big audiences or were you trying to think more about 375 00:16:07,236 --> 00:16:09,916 Speaker 4: like verse, chorus bridge, that kind of thing, like the 376 00:16:09,956 --> 00:16:10,956 Speaker 4: mechanics of the song. 377 00:16:11,116 --> 00:16:12,876 Speaker 1: Yeah, more more of the mechanics. You know. 378 00:16:12,916 --> 00:16:15,676 Speaker 3: I didn't really get into I still, I swear to 379 00:16:15,756 --> 00:16:19,796 Speaker 3: this day, not until like you're at you're deep in 380 00:16:19,836 --> 00:16:20,396 Speaker 3: the middle of. 381 00:16:20,356 --> 00:16:22,196 Speaker 1: A song, do you think, like, oh man, okay, this 382 00:16:22,276 --> 00:16:22,676 Speaker 1: is a hit. 383 00:16:22,756 --> 00:16:24,436 Speaker 3: Like what if we do a moment right here where 384 00:16:24,476 --> 00:16:27,156 Speaker 3: it's like booom crowd moment, you know, like that's kind 385 00:16:27,196 --> 00:16:30,516 Speaker 3: of that comes way later, I feel in the process, 386 00:16:30,676 --> 00:16:33,476 Speaker 3: at least for me, it did. So for me, I 387 00:16:33,796 --> 00:16:37,276 Speaker 3: was just figuring out the structure and it's just you know, 388 00:16:37,436 --> 00:16:41,236 Speaker 3: it's like you either go verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge, chorus, 389 00:16:41,316 --> 00:16:44,676 Speaker 3: or you go verse chorus, verse, chorus, solo, chorus, or 390 00:16:44,716 --> 00:16:46,236 Speaker 3: you start with a chorus and then you do a 391 00:16:46,316 --> 00:16:48,116 Speaker 3: verse and then a chorus and then a solo and 392 00:16:48,156 --> 00:16:49,916 Speaker 3: then a bridge. You know, there's there's like four or 393 00:16:49,916 --> 00:16:53,036 Speaker 3: five different formulas, and I don't know, I just kind 394 00:16:53,076 --> 00:16:56,196 Speaker 3: of felt like I learned those types of things. 395 00:16:56,196 --> 00:16:59,356 Speaker 1: And you know, a big one for me was paying attention. 396 00:16:59,396 --> 00:17:01,036 Speaker 3: I was a big M and M fan, still am, 397 00:17:01,636 --> 00:17:06,516 Speaker 3: but figuring out how to phrase lines putting emphasis on 398 00:17:06,556 --> 00:17:10,516 Speaker 3: the right vowels so that there is a uh is 399 00:17:10,556 --> 00:17:13,396 Speaker 3: it assonance? And I think it's assonance is the one 400 00:17:13,396 --> 00:17:16,876 Speaker 3: that like puts the emphasis on the vowels And so 401 00:17:17,196 --> 00:17:19,756 Speaker 3: if if if, like I studied that a lot, like, 402 00:17:20,156 --> 00:17:24,316 Speaker 3: because there's certain ways you can phrase a line that said, 403 00:17:24,636 --> 00:17:27,516 Speaker 3: and you can phrase a line two different ways and 404 00:17:27,596 --> 00:17:29,596 Speaker 3: make them sound one sounds like a hit and one 405 00:17:29,636 --> 00:17:31,316 Speaker 3: doesn't sound like a hit. And it's all about where 406 00:17:31,356 --> 00:17:34,196 Speaker 3: you put the emphasis on certain like parts of the word. 407 00:17:34,276 --> 00:17:36,236 Speaker 1: And I wish that I could just pull one out 408 00:17:36,236 --> 00:17:37,276 Speaker 1: of my ass and do it right now. 409 00:17:37,356 --> 00:17:39,156 Speaker 4: Dude, wait, can you think of one from your own 410 00:17:39,156 --> 00:17:42,236 Speaker 4: catalog or maybe something from Eminem, like an Eminem song 411 00:17:42,236 --> 00:17:43,716 Speaker 4: where he does Okay. 412 00:17:43,476 --> 00:17:44,476 Speaker 1: Let me think really quick. 413 00:17:46,676 --> 00:17:49,716 Speaker 3: Uh oh my god, that's this is gonna kill me now, 414 00:17:49,716 --> 00:17:51,836 Speaker 3: because like you can't do it now. 415 00:17:52,076 --> 00:17:55,156 Speaker 4: So if you put emphasis on a word in a sentence, 416 00:17:55,796 --> 00:17:57,956 Speaker 4: it'll make it sound more like a hit. Is that 417 00:17:57,956 --> 00:17:58,476 Speaker 4: what you're saying? 418 00:17:58,556 --> 00:18:01,036 Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you if you were gonna say like like. 419 00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:05,356 Speaker 4: Think of like a Morgan Wallin's or some like big like. 420 00:18:06,316 --> 00:18:11,876 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So the second verse of more than 421 00:18:11,876 --> 00:18:15,156 Speaker 3: my Hometown, I ain't the runaway kind. 422 00:18:15,316 --> 00:18:17,036 Speaker 1: I can't change that. 423 00:18:17,676 --> 00:18:21,236 Speaker 3: My heart's stuck in these streets like the train tracks, 424 00:18:22,076 --> 00:18:23,956 Speaker 3: city sky ain't the same black? 425 00:18:24,356 --> 00:18:26,236 Speaker 1: Ain't that a map dot? Shame? 426 00:18:26,396 --> 00:18:29,236 Speaker 3: And to think that chorus I Love you More, it's 427 00:18:29,276 --> 00:18:32,836 Speaker 3: just like finding those vowels that sound the same and 428 00:18:32,876 --> 00:18:35,436 Speaker 3: making sure that you sing them the exact same every 429 00:18:35,436 --> 00:18:37,916 Speaker 3: single time, so that it just sounds like a bar. 430 00:18:38,036 --> 00:18:39,796 Speaker 1: It sounds like an eminem song, you know. 431 00:18:39,996 --> 00:18:41,476 Speaker 4: It sounds very hip hoppy. 432 00:18:41,556 --> 00:18:43,156 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. I studied that. 433 00:18:43,196 --> 00:18:45,396 Speaker 3: There's a guy he's still around and he's written so 434 00:18:45,436 --> 00:18:47,996 Speaker 3: many hits. But Casey Bethard, I'm not gonna call him 435 00:18:47,996 --> 00:18:50,076 Speaker 3: old man. I'm gonna run into him and be like, boy, 436 00:18:50,116 --> 00:18:53,356 Speaker 3: you call me old man, but he it's like, man, 437 00:18:53,636 --> 00:18:55,276 Speaker 3: I want to I'm always wanted to ask him, like, dude, 438 00:18:55,276 --> 00:18:58,116 Speaker 3: who did you listen to to to develop your internal 439 00:18:58,156 --> 00:19:00,996 Speaker 3: rhyme scheme? Because he if you go back, I mean, 440 00:19:01,036 --> 00:19:03,316 Speaker 3: you look at all the songs he's written, but he's 441 00:19:03,356 --> 00:19:05,476 Speaker 3: just got He had such a cool way of finding 442 00:19:05,476 --> 00:19:08,036 Speaker 3: those internal rhymes because they're kind of sometimes they can 443 00:19:08,076 --> 00:19:10,516 Speaker 3: be hidden in a line, you know, and the right 444 00:19:10,556 --> 00:19:12,116 Speaker 3: person sings it the right way and you're like, oh, 445 00:19:12,116 --> 00:19:14,916 Speaker 3: that sounds awesome. But he he, I really learned from him. 446 00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:19,076 Speaker 3: And Rodney Clausen was another one. There's a second verse 447 00:19:19,156 --> 00:19:22,276 Speaker 3: or first verse of that. Uh. Actually, I don't even 448 00:19:22,276 --> 00:19:24,436 Speaker 3: know if Rodney wrote this song. But around here at 449 00:19:24,476 --> 00:19:26,636 Speaker 3: g L, I'm gonna pick her up at six. 450 00:19:26,676 --> 00:19:28,756 Speaker 1: I hope she's gonna wear the geens with the tear 451 00:19:28,836 --> 00:19:30,876 Speaker 1: that her mama never fixed. I don't know. 452 00:19:31,596 --> 00:19:34,476 Speaker 3: It's just finding all the little internal internal rhymes in 453 00:19:34,516 --> 00:19:35,916 Speaker 3: there that makes a song better. 454 00:19:35,996 --> 00:19:37,356 Speaker 1: It always makes a song better. 455 00:19:37,476 --> 00:19:37,676 Speaker 4: Cool. 456 00:19:37,716 --> 00:19:41,476 Speaker 3: I say all the time, if you if you when 457 00:19:41,516 --> 00:19:43,676 Speaker 3: you're writing a song and it's like a tongue twister. 458 00:19:44,836 --> 00:19:46,836 Speaker 3: Sometimes people are like, ah, that's kind of hard to sing, 459 00:19:46,876 --> 00:19:49,076 Speaker 3: and I'm like no, because when you finally spit it out, 460 00:19:49,116 --> 00:19:51,756 Speaker 3: it's gonna sound awesome, like it's you know when it's 461 00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:53,996 Speaker 3: hard to say that means it's it's it's a good thing. 462 00:19:54,116 --> 00:19:55,236 Speaker 1: You just have to learn it, you know. 463 00:19:56,116 --> 00:20:00,996 Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel like with the song radio song, you're 464 00:20:01,036 --> 00:20:04,396 Speaker 4: writing about the thing, like you're commenting on things and 465 00:20:04,436 --> 00:20:08,996 Speaker 4: getting really clever with like the fourth wa yes, yeah, yes, 466 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:11,556 Speaker 4: did you start doing that like out of boredom? Like 467 00:20:11,556 --> 00:20:13,916 Speaker 4: were you trying to make a statement like how like 468 00:20:14,036 --> 00:20:15,116 Speaker 4: where did that come from? 469 00:20:15,396 --> 00:20:17,836 Speaker 3: I just always liked songs about songs or like they 470 00:20:17,876 --> 00:20:21,716 Speaker 3: call it meta to you know, like it's yes, like uh, 471 00:20:22,036 --> 00:20:25,076 Speaker 3: and for radio songs specifically, I just I've there's a 472 00:20:25,156 --> 00:20:29,516 Speaker 3: few songs that have done that in history that I 473 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,236 Speaker 3: loved and I wanted my own version of that. There 474 00:20:31,276 --> 00:20:32,956 Speaker 3: was a song, you know a lot of people don't know, 475 00:20:32,956 --> 00:20:36,316 Speaker 3: the Hey Ya buy outcast is about how people these 476 00:20:36,396 --> 00:20:39,116 Speaker 3: days don't stay together anymore. They just get married and 477 00:20:39,156 --> 00:20:41,436 Speaker 3: then they'll just get divorced. And that song is like 478 00:20:41,556 --> 00:20:43,636 Speaker 3: my baby don't mess around because she loves me so 479 00:20:43,756 --> 00:20:45,556 Speaker 3: and this I know for sure, Like thank God for 480 00:20:45,636 --> 00:20:47,876 Speaker 3: mom and dad for sticking to together because we don't 481 00:20:47,876 --> 00:20:49,956 Speaker 3: know how, and then and the bridge, he's like, y'all. 482 00:20:49,756 --> 00:20:52,156 Speaker 1: Don't want to hear me, you just want to dance. Hey, y'all, 483 00:20:52,196 --> 00:20:52,476 Speaker 1: Like this. 484 00:20:52,476 --> 00:20:55,276 Speaker 3: Song is, yes, it's like really cool, but the chorus 485 00:20:55,356 --> 00:20:56,276 Speaker 3: is just like you. 486 00:20:56,236 --> 00:20:59,356 Speaker 1: Know, man, but whatever, y'all don't care. Here's a chorus. 487 00:20:59,356 --> 00:21:01,516 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I just I. 488 00:21:01,476 --> 00:21:04,356 Speaker 3: Wanted to do something like that with with radio song. 489 00:21:04,436 --> 00:21:06,476 Speaker 3: And by no means was I fed up. I mean 490 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:09,596 Speaker 3: I wrote that in the peak of my well, I 491 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:11,636 Speaker 3: like to say, my first peek in my songwriting career. 492 00:21:11,756 --> 00:21:13,956 Speaker 3: So like my relationship with radio was great and I'm 493 00:21:13,996 --> 00:21:17,156 Speaker 3: like praising God every day for the radio, so you know, 494 00:21:17,676 --> 00:21:20,076 Speaker 3: and most of the radio people that I've come in 495 00:21:20,076 --> 00:21:22,516 Speaker 3: contact with, they love it and they get the cheekiness 496 00:21:22,516 --> 00:21:22,676 Speaker 3: of it. 497 00:21:22,716 --> 00:21:24,676 Speaker 1: And when I play it live, yeah, I'll if the 498 00:21:24,836 --> 00:21:25,596 Speaker 1: radio people. 499 00:21:25,356 --> 00:21:26,596 Speaker 3: Are in the room, I'll give him a wink and 500 00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:28,596 Speaker 3: kind of make a big smile like I'm never really 501 00:21:28,636 --> 00:21:30,756 Speaker 3: angry about it. I just I just wanted to write 502 00:21:30,796 --> 00:21:32,236 Speaker 3: a song about a song. And that's not the first 503 00:21:32,236 --> 00:21:34,236 Speaker 3: time I've done it, but I enjoy doing it sometimes. 504 00:21:34,516 --> 00:21:36,716 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's fun and it makes sense when like 505 00:21:37,636 --> 00:21:41,116 Speaker 4: knowing that you admire people like Eminem. He commented a 506 00:21:41,156 --> 00:21:43,756 Speaker 4: lot on the state of like the music business and 507 00:21:43,796 --> 00:21:45,036 Speaker 4: just pop culture in general. 508 00:21:46,196 --> 00:21:48,076 Speaker 3: Fleewood Matt kind of did it with rumors, but it 509 00:21:48,116 --> 00:21:50,836 Speaker 3: was a little bit more cryptic. But like Eminem was 510 00:21:50,836 --> 00:21:53,316 Speaker 3: the first person also to just completely open up his 511 00:21:53,436 --> 00:21:55,516 Speaker 3: actual life to the world, and so it was like 512 00:21:55,596 --> 00:21:58,396 Speaker 3: listening to reality music, you know what I mean. Yeah, 513 00:21:58,676 --> 00:22:01,316 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I don't ever, I don't 514 00:22:01,356 --> 00:22:02,636 Speaker 3: have the balls to do that. I don't want to 515 00:22:02,636 --> 00:22:04,116 Speaker 3: air out which I don't have a whole lot of laundry, 516 00:22:04,116 --> 00:22:05,876 Speaker 3: but I don't want to air out my laundry to 517 00:22:05,956 --> 00:22:06,396 Speaker 3: the world. 518 00:22:06,556 --> 00:22:09,036 Speaker 1: But he you know, I've always admired him for that 519 00:22:09,156 --> 00:22:11,316 Speaker 1: because that was really brave of him to do that, 520 00:22:11,396 --> 00:22:12,756 Speaker 1: and it worked. 521 00:22:12,796 --> 00:22:15,316 Speaker 3: People became invested in like his story, you know, and 522 00:22:15,476 --> 00:22:18,516 Speaker 3: it just it totally worked, and I think that's so cool. 523 00:22:19,476 --> 00:22:19,876 Speaker 1: Yeah. 524 00:22:19,916 --> 00:22:21,796 Speaker 4: And then he had like eight Mile and then that's 525 00:22:21,836 --> 00:22:25,796 Speaker 4: even like taking it further. Yeah. And then bro Country. 526 00:22:25,836 --> 00:22:27,556 Speaker 4: I want to ask you about that song too, So 527 00:22:27,756 --> 00:22:29,716 Speaker 4: is the bro Country era? Like that's over? 528 00:22:30,276 --> 00:22:32,476 Speaker 1: Okay, So I you know, I'm glad you asked. 529 00:22:32,516 --> 00:22:35,596 Speaker 3: I have not commented on this yet, Okay, me and 530 00:22:35,676 --> 00:22:37,876 Speaker 3: Arn came up with that idea together at at Morgan 531 00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:40,316 Speaker 3: wallin Show of All Things, we were opening for him like. 532 00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:41,836 Speaker 1: Three and a half to four years ago. 533 00:22:42,156 --> 00:22:46,196 Speaker 3: I feel like that concept completely, like I'm I'm like 534 00:22:46,356 --> 00:22:48,956 Speaker 3: owning up to this, but I feel like the concept 535 00:22:48,956 --> 00:22:54,436 Speaker 3: of bro country the song is kind of out the 536 00:22:54,476 --> 00:22:58,316 Speaker 3: window because I now feel like in the next few 537 00:22:58,396 --> 00:23:00,956 Speaker 3: years some of that is going to come back. And 538 00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:04,236 Speaker 3: I'm just being completely honest. You know, when we wrote it, 539 00:23:04,236 --> 00:23:06,356 Speaker 3: it was like, man, there's all these new people that 540 00:23:06,436 --> 00:23:08,716 Speaker 3: are coming in and they're you know, it was very 541 00:23:08,756 --> 00:23:11,316 Speaker 3: it was very fresh off of like a really potent 542 00:23:11,436 --> 00:23:14,276 Speaker 3: bro country era. But even just four or five and 543 00:23:14,316 --> 00:23:18,116 Speaker 3: now almost maybe six years later, you know, there there's 544 00:23:18,156 --> 00:23:20,356 Speaker 3: a guy. There's a guy kid right now named Cody Loadin. 545 00:23:20,836 --> 00:23:23,156 Speaker 3: He's doing this like broke. He's got a song called 546 00:23:23,156 --> 00:23:26,836 Speaker 3: a Buckle Up and it's just it's just earwormy, like 547 00:23:27,676 --> 00:23:30,956 Speaker 3: the debt the Muse. The lyrics aren't super super deep, 548 00:23:30,996 --> 00:23:34,196 Speaker 3: but they're so well written, and it's just it's that thing. 549 00:23:34,236 --> 00:23:37,356 Speaker 1: It's just like, don't know what we're gonna do tonight, 550 00:23:37,436 --> 00:23:39,876 Speaker 1: but baby buckle Up. But it just it sounds good, 551 00:23:39,956 --> 00:23:40,116 Speaker 1: you know. 552 00:23:40,356 --> 00:23:44,756 Speaker 3: I saw a girl, Lauren Watkins make a video a 553 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:47,156 Speaker 3: while back and she was like, I'm just gonna say 554 00:23:47,436 --> 00:23:51,636 Speaker 3: I miss bro Country. Uh, And she was like, I 555 00:23:51,396 --> 00:23:53,476 Speaker 3: want She didn't use word objectified, but she was like, 556 00:23:53,556 --> 00:23:54,676 Speaker 3: I want to be called hot. 557 00:23:54,996 --> 00:23:56,476 Speaker 1: I want people to think I look hot with my 558 00:23:56,556 --> 00:23:59,276 Speaker 1: legs swinging off tailgate. I miss it. Bring it back. 559 00:23:59,316 --> 00:24:00,876 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, you know that's right. 560 00:24:00,916 --> 00:24:02,956 Speaker 3: And I honestly believe that girls that grew up in 561 00:24:02,956 --> 00:24:05,396 Speaker 3: that era listening to that kind of miss that a 562 00:24:05,396 --> 00:24:05,756 Speaker 3: little bit. 563 00:24:05,796 --> 00:24:08,156 Speaker 1: And Morgan Morgan will do it like Morgan. 564 00:24:07,876 --> 00:24:10,836 Speaker 3: Does it, and but he's kind of the only guy 565 00:24:10,876 --> 00:24:13,516 Speaker 3: that sort of can still get away with it. But 566 00:24:13,956 --> 00:24:15,756 Speaker 3: all that to be said, I think it's going to 567 00:24:15,836 --> 00:24:17,596 Speaker 3: come back in the next ten years. I think it's 568 00:24:17,636 --> 00:24:19,516 Speaker 3: going to come back, and I just I'm here for it. 569 00:24:19,556 --> 00:24:22,876 Speaker 3: So sorry, bro Country. Broke Country was was It wasn't 570 00:24:22,876 --> 00:24:24,836 Speaker 3: a bad idea, but I think it was a short 571 00:24:24,836 --> 00:24:25,916 Speaker 3: lived thought. 572 00:24:26,036 --> 00:24:30,196 Speaker 2: Yep, we'll be back with more from Hardy after the break. 573 00:24:34,636 --> 00:24:36,476 Speaker 4: I heard you say in a different interview that you 574 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,676 Speaker 4: were talking about how if you have a number one hit. 575 00:24:39,796 --> 00:24:41,676 Speaker 4: I think it was if you have like a number 576 00:24:41,676 --> 00:24:44,116 Speaker 4: one song on the radio, you get like as a songwriter, 577 00:24:44,236 --> 00:24:45,796 Speaker 4: you get like two hundred thousand dollars. 578 00:24:46,436 --> 00:24:48,516 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, take yeah, give or take. 579 00:24:48,596 --> 00:24:50,876 Speaker 4: And I was just curious, like as a range, like, 580 00:24:51,956 --> 00:24:55,756 Speaker 4: how does being a songwriter compare to being an artist 581 00:24:56,196 --> 00:25:00,556 Speaker 4: who's touring, who's like playing stadiums monitor earl. But yeah, 582 00:25:00,596 --> 00:25:02,356 Speaker 4: just like range wise, like like. 583 00:25:02,636 --> 00:25:04,756 Speaker 1: Touring makes way more money if you're killing it. 584 00:25:06,556 --> 00:25:10,716 Speaker 3: But something that I learned recently, and I'll be somewhat 585 00:25:11,156 --> 00:25:13,436 Speaker 3: cryptic here, but like if you do have a string 586 00:25:13,476 --> 00:25:18,956 Speaker 3: of hits as a songwriter, you have the ability to 587 00:25:19,076 --> 00:25:22,956 Speaker 3: sell your catalog and you don't get that back, you know, 588 00:25:22,996 --> 00:25:24,516 Speaker 3: so you kind of want to make sure that most 589 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:27,116 Speaker 3: of the stream has run out, your revenue stream from 590 00:25:27,116 --> 00:25:30,596 Speaker 3: the songs that you're selling has run out. But if 591 00:25:30,636 --> 00:25:33,116 Speaker 3: you have enough hits and you sell a catalog as 592 00:25:33,156 --> 00:25:36,076 Speaker 3: a songwriter, you can make a shit ton of money. 593 00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:38,756 Speaker 3: And it kind of will put in perspective like touring 594 00:25:38,876 --> 00:25:44,716 Speaker 3: versus writing, if that makes sense, right, because if you're 595 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,036 Speaker 3: like a well, if you're a stadium act, that's like 596 00:25:47,076 --> 00:25:49,996 Speaker 3: a different level of money and that's not I'm I'm 597 00:25:50,036 --> 00:25:51,956 Speaker 3: like an amphitheater act at best, but. 598 00:25:53,156 --> 00:25:54,516 Speaker 1: It is really good. 599 00:25:54,596 --> 00:25:57,676 Speaker 3: But you know, you would have to be really crushing 600 00:25:57,676 --> 00:25:59,716 Speaker 3: it as a songwriter to kind of get close to 601 00:25:59,916 --> 00:26:02,716 Speaker 3: like a somebody that's crushing it touring, to be honest. 602 00:26:02,756 --> 00:26:05,756 Speaker 3: But again, yeah, the catalog sale kind of makes up 603 00:26:05,756 --> 00:26:07,476 Speaker 3: for that on the back end a little bit because 604 00:26:07,516 --> 00:26:09,596 Speaker 3: that's a really that's like you're super ball as a 605 00:26:09,596 --> 00:26:11,196 Speaker 3: songwriter too, is you want to be able to do 606 00:26:11,276 --> 00:26:13,756 Speaker 3: that one Day's that creates that's a different type of 607 00:26:13,796 --> 00:26:15,636 Speaker 3: like send your grandkids to. 608 00:26:15,636 --> 00:26:22,036 Speaker 4: College, totally generational wealth. Yeah, so how do you know 609 00:26:22,236 --> 00:26:25,116 Speaker 4: when you said, like when it's run its course? Like, 610 00:26:25,196 --> 00:26:26,676 Speaker 4: how do you know when that time is? 611 00:26:27,196 --> 00:26:28,876 Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a business manager, they can 612 00:26:28,956 --> 00:26:31,156 Speaker 3: kind of keep an eye on it, but you just 613 00:26:31,276 --> 00:26:34,436 Speaker 3: like you get you get a statement from your pro quarterly, 614 00:26:34,876 --> 00:26:37,876 Speaker 3: the people that pay you, and you could just see, 615 00:26:37,916 --> 00:26:40,996 Speaker 3: you know, like I can go pull my last statement 616 00:26:41,076 --> 00:26:45,076 Speaker 3: up and you know obviously like I wrote a Blake 617 00:26:45,116 --> 00:26:47,436 Speaker 3: Shelton song called God's Country and like that's that was 618 00:26:47,476 --> 00:26:48,676 Speaker 3: one of my biggest hits. 619 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,356 Speaker 1: And and like at its. 620 00:26:50,236 --> 00:26:52,156 Speaker 3: Peak it was making this much and you know I 621 00:26:52,156 --> 00:26:53,956 Speaker 3: can just see that, like you can just sort of 622 00:26:53,956 --> 00:26:56,116 Speaker 3: tell when it sort of dwindles down to around this, 623 00:26:56,676 --> 00:27:01,156 Speaker 3: maybe a very lower five five figure number for a 624 00:27:01,236 --> 00:27:03,236 Speaker 3: year or so at a time, and then you know, 625 00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:06,396 Speaker 3: basically a company is willing to buy that song for 626 00:27:06,516 --> 00:27:10,076 Speaker 3: more than what that fight what fivegers quarterly would make 627 00:27:10,116 --> 00:27:10,836 Speaker 3: in your lifetime. 628 00:27:10,916 --> 00:27:13,076 Speaker 1: So you're kind of taking the money and run, but. 629 00:27:13,116 --> 00:27:16,356 Speaker 3: Running, yeah, because like it's it's still an investment for 630 00:27:16,396 --> 00:27:19,156 Speaker 3: other companies because over one hundred years it's gonna or 631 00:27:19,196 --> 00:27:21,756 Speaker 3: seventy years, it's gonna make more than what they paid 632 00:27:21,756 --> 00:27:22,156 Speaker 3: you for it. 633 00:27:22,196 --> 00:27:24,636 Speaker 1: But you're like, you know, again, make the money and 634 00:27:24,676 --> 00:27:25,316 Speaker 1: run kind of thing. 635 00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:30,476 Speaker 4: But then something like a Stranger Things could license a song. 636 00:27:31,556 --> 00:27:34,636 Speaker 3: Because because they could, you could get like an eight 637 00:27:34,676 --> 00:27:37,876 Speaker 3: figure deal off of something crazy and then Sony or 638 00:27:38,196 --> 00:27:40,796 Speaker 3: you know, somebody like that owns it now and that happens. 639 00:27:40,836 --> 00:27:44,076 Speaker 1: You know, like you just never know, Like you never know. 640 00:27:44,516 --> 00:27:47,476 Speaker 3: A song that I sold could could be sampled and 641 00:27:47,636 --> 00:27:52,036 Speaker 3: be the biggest like Swedish dance song in the world 642 00:27:52,676 --> 00:27:55,436 Speaker 3: and make a ton of money, and you know, but 643 00:27:55,476 --> 00:27:57,316 Speaker 3: that's just that's kind of the risk that you take 644 00:27:57,356 --> 00:27:59,716 Speaker 3: when you sell a catalog, So you just never know. 645 00:28:00,916 --> 00:28:03,916 Speaker 4: I was curious about the way that you sequence an 646 00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:07,516 Speaker 4: album with country country you like with the song bottom Land, 647 00:28:08,236 --> 00:28:09,876 Speaker 4: Why did you put that all the way at the 648 00:28:09,916 --> 00:28:11,956 Speaker 4: end of the album? Like, how do you think about 649 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:12,716 Speaker 4: the sequencing? 650 00:28:13,116 --> 00:28:13,516 Speaker 1: I don't know. 651 00:28:13,556 --> 00:28:16,796 Speaker 3: I don't remember that since that that record had like 652 00:28:16,836 --> 00:28:19,596 Speaker 3: twenty songs on it, I fel that was harder for 653 00:28:19,676 --> 00:28:24,076 Speaker 3: me to curate or or to to make the list 654 00:28:24,276 --> 00:28:24,756 Speaker 3: for sure. 655 00:28:25,156 --> 00:28:26,676 Speaker 1: So I can't really. 656 00:28:26,396 --> 00:28:29,236 Speaker 3: Give an answer as to why more towards the end, 657 00:28:29,276 --> 00:28:32,236 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, but I will say I do. 658 00:28:32,316 --> 00:28:36,756 Speaker 3: I'm heavily involved, if not one responsible for every track 659 00:28:36,956 --> 00:28:38,556 Speaker 3: order of every record that I've done. 660 00:28:39,156 --> 00:28:39,796 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure. 661 00:28:39,876 --> 00:28:41,556 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just you know, I know that. 662 00:28:41,476 --> 00:28:43,756 Speaker 3: People don't listen to albums front to back anymore, but 663 00:28:44,316 --> 00:28:46,156 Speaker 3: I feel like in that way, I'm kind of an 664 00:28:46,156 --> 00:28:49,036 Speaker 3: old soul, and it's like I've always loved albums and 665 00:28:49,116 --> 00:28:52,476 Speaker 3: like a body of work, and I think that, you know, 666 00:28:52,876 --> 00:28:56,876 Speaker 3: for people that create music to make a body of work, 667 00:28:56,916 --> 00:28:59,356 Speaker 3: I guess want it to be listened to front to back. 668 00:28:59,956 --> 00:29:02,116 Speaker 3: And so I definitely will look at the list of 669 00:29:02,156 --> 00:29:05,716 Speaker 3: songs and try to like pull you emotionally all over 670 00:29:05,716 --> 00:29:07,876 Speaker 3: the place by the end, so that there's nothing that 671 00:29:08,236 --> 00:29:12,076 Speaker 3: seems too monoton or or too repetitive. 672 00:29:12,076 --> 00:29:14,516 Speaker 1: On the record if that makes it Yes, Yeah. 673 00:29:14,156 --> 00:29:16,076 Speaker 4: You mentioned that it had a really long track list, 674 00:29:16,116 --> 00:29:18,596 Speaker 4: Like why not just put half of those out and 675 00:29:18,676 --> 00:29:21,596 Speaker 4: save the other half for a future release. 676 00:29:22,236 --> 00:29:24,116 Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't operate like that. 677 00:29:24,276 --> 00:29:28,396 Speaker 3: Like I this this record was very intentionally country and 678 00:29:28,396 --> 00:29:31,676 Speaker 3: and yeah it was. It was kind of a retaliation 679 00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:34,556 Speaker 3: to me leaving the country space for a year and 680 00:29:34,596 --> 00:29:36,756 Speaker 3: going into the rock space because my last record was 681 00:29:36,756 --> 00:29:39,556 Speaker 3: called Quit and we we marketed that as a rock record. 682 00:29:41,116 --> 00:29:43,916 Speaker 3: So this was sort of almost I didn't treat the 683 00:29:43,996 --> 00:29:46,716 Speaker 3: music sarcastically, but like it was like a here's your 684 00:29:46,796 --> 00:29:49,196 Speaker 3: here's a big ass country record for everybody to enjoy. 685 00:29:49,796 --> 00:29:53,116 Speaker 3: And uh, and that it's just it's where my head space. 686 00:29:53,316 --> 00:29:55,396 Speaker 3: That's where I was, like, you know, in my headspace, 687 00:29:55,476 --> 00:29:58,556 Speaker 3: and and uh, I like I said, I want to 688 00:29:58,556 --> 00:30:01,836 Speaker 3: move on, and like I have a different project already 689 00:30:01,836 --> 00:30:03,116 Speaker 3: in mind for like the next thing. 690 00:30:03,196 --> 00:30:05,196 Speaker 4: And so no, I know you do. I want to 691 00:30:05,196 --> 00:30:05,676 Speaker 4: hear about it. 692 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,316 Speaker 1: What is it? Is? 693 00:30:07,356 --> 00:30:08,156 Speaker 4: It way different? 694 00:30:08,596 --> 00:30:13,036 Speaker 1: It's yes, a little bit of the same, a little 695 00:30:13,076 --> 00:30:13,556 Speaker 1: bit different. 696 00:30:13,716 --> 00:30:16,556 Speaker 3: It's just it's a I'm getting back to like a 697 00:30:16,596 --> 00:30:18,356 Speaker 3: concept kind of like the mocking bird and the Crow 698 00:30:18,516 --> 00:30:20,636 Speaker 3: which was my second album, which I still think is 699 00:30:20,996 --> 00:30:22,996 Speaker 3: kind of my flagship record. 700 00:30:22,756 --> 00:30:26,116 Speaker 4: So far, right because it's got the country and the 701 00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:26,636 Speaker 4: rock together. 702 00:30:26,876 --> 00:30:27,436 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. 703 00:30:27,636 --> 00:30:30,036 Speaker 3: It's sick if somebody was like, who's hardy, you know, 704 00:30:30,076 --> 00:30:32,636 Speaker 3: like what what should I listen to? Like, that's that's 705 00:30:32,716 --> 00:30:35,996 Speaker 3: what the reference probably is. But no, I mean, I 706 00:30:36,036 --> 00:30:40,036 Speaker 3: have I have a concept. I'll probably have my first 707 00:30:40,076 --> 00:30:42,156 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have like an eight minute song on the record, 708 00:30:42,156 --> 00:30:45,476 Speaker 3: which I'm stoked about that kind of talks about the concept. 709 00:30:45,516 --> 00:30:48,756 Speaker 3: And it's just I'm just trying to continue to sort 710 00:30:48,836 --> 00:30:51,756 Speaker 3: of push boundaries and just keep people on their. 711 00:30:51,596 --> 00:30:53,676 Speaker 1: Toes and make people just be like what the fuck? 712 00:30:53,756 --> 00:30:56,996 Speaker 4: And that's just is it like a different genre of music, 713 00:30:57,076 --> 00:30:59,076 Speaker 4: like a totally different genre or is it like just 714 00:30:59,156 --> 00:31:00,556 Speaker 4: new metal and country. 715 00:31:01,796 --> 00:31:02,916 Speaker 1: A little bit of this little bit of that. 716 00:31:04,916 --> 00:31:06,396 Speaker 4: Is it like trap or something? 717 00:31:06,476 --> 00:31:07,596 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's not like that. 718 00:31:07,636 --> 00:31:10,436 Speaker 3: It's it's all Look, it's all under the umbrella of 719 00:31:10,516 --> 00:31:11,956 Speaker 3: like me and my music. 720 00:31:13,036 --> 00:31:16,596 Speaker 1: But it's just it's it's more it's less like a 721 00:31:16,756 --> 00:31:20,236 Speaker 1: genre changing and more of like a theme. 722 00:31:20,396 --> 00:31:23,076 Speaker 3: It's more of like, uh, a concept, yeah, like a 723 00:31:23,156 --> 00:31:25,596 Speaker 3: concept or it's just it's got more of a theme, 724 00:31:26,116 --> 00:31:30,996 Speaker 3: an intentional theme to the structure of the album. I'm 725 00:31:31,036 --> 00:31:34,796 Speaker 3: still probably a year out from a record coming out, 726 00:31:34,836 --> 00:31:37,076 Speaker 3: hopefully more because I need some time to really I 727 00:31:37,116 --> 00:31:41,556 Speaker 3: want this one to really count, because I've always believed too, 728 00:31:41,596 --> 00:31:43,956 Speaker 3: Like you know, my first record was a rock and 729 00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:45,436 Speaker 3: it did well, but then the Mocky Bird and the 730 00:31:45,436 --> 00:31:48,356 Speaker 3: Crow did really well, and then Quit didn't do quite 731 00:31:48,396 --> 00:31:50,676 Speaker 3: as good as Marckybird and the Crow, and then Country 732 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,116 Speaker 3: Country did a little bit better than Quit, but. 733 00:31:52,116 --> 00:31:54,716 Speaker 4: Not as good as Yeah, for sure. 734 00:31:54,716 --> 00:31:57,716 Speaker 3: But I'm a firm believer that that just because you 735 00:31:57,836 --> 00:32:00,796 Speaker 3: had records that followed a record that didn't do as 736 00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:03,076 Speaker 3: good doesn't mean that you're done making your best record. 737 00:32:03,396 --> 00:32:06,396 Speaker 3: Pretty Hate Machine was nine Inch Nails as first record, 738 00:32:06,396 --> 00:32:08,636 Speaker 3: and I think that came out in like eighty nine 739 00:32:08,716 --> 00:32:12,196 Speaker 3: or nine or something, and that was like their biggest 740 00:32:12,236 --> 00:32:14,636 Speaker 3: record for a long time. And then With Teeth came 741 00:32:14,676 --> 00:32:17,476 Speaker 3: out like seventeen years later, and that is like the 742 00:32:17,516 --> 00:32:20,116 Speaker 3: record that everybody knows nine inch Nails by, and I'm like, man, 743 00:32:20,596 --> 00:32:22,156 Speaker 3: if they can do that, I feel like I can 744 00:32:22,196 --> 00:32:24,116 Speaker 3: do that. I just have to keep trusting myself and 745 00:32:24,596 --> 00:32:27,036 Speaker 3: know that there's still something greater out there to explore. 746 00:32:27,996 --> 00:32:29,916 Speaker 4: Do you feel like you make the music for you 747 00:32:30,036 --> 00:32:33,156 Speaker 4: or do you make it for the audience. 748 00:32:33,716 --> 00:32:35,396 Speaker 1: I think I make it for me. I've thought about 749 00:32:35,436 --> 00:32:35,916 Speaker 1: this a lot. 750 00:32:36,036 --> 00:32:38,556 Speaker 3: I just want to make stuff that's like I would 751 00:32:38,556 --> 00:32:42,876 Speaker 3: think is cool, you know, like that I would listen to. 752 00:32:43,556 --> 00:32:46,556 Speaker 3: I think I definitely think like when I get something 753 00:32:46,596 --> 00:32:48,916 Speaker 3: really great, I'm like, my fans were gonna love this, 754 00:32:49,156 --> 00:32:52,796 Speaker 3: but I don't. I'm not making anything for anyone outside 755 00:32:52,836 --> 00:32:55,036 Speaker 3: of my fan base to be impressed with. Like, I 756 00:32:55,116 --> 00:32:59,196 Speaker 3: just want, like I'm not like, man, I need more 757 00:32:59,196 --> 00:33:01,956 Speaker 3: metal fans, or I need more traditional country fans, or 758 00:33:01,996 --> 00:33:04,356 Speaker 3: I need to do like I just don't operate like that. 759 00:33:04,436 --> 00:33:06,876 Speaker 3: So but mostly I just I want to make shit 760 00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:08,956 Speaker 3: that I just think sounds cool, and like me and 761 00:33:09,276 --> 00:33:12,756 Speaker 3: buddies all just think is cool, you know, And and yeah, 762 00:33:12,796 --> 00:33:15,116 Speaker 3: that's just sort of the starting point, I guess. 763 00:33:15,676 --> 00:33:20,156 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let's break and we'll be back with Hardy. 764 00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:26,276 Speaker 4: Have you had to deal with any friends or any 765 00:33:26,276 --> 00:33:29,356 Speaker 4: collaborators who want to kind of be like where you're at, 766 00:33:29,436 --> 00:33:32,516 Speaker 4: Like any fellow songwriters people you work with that also 767 00:33:32,596 --> 00:33:35,476 Speaker 4: want to be maybe artists themselves, but for whatever reason, 768 00:33:35,596 --> 00:33:41,116 Speaker 4: can't make that transition or have tried and haven't found success. Yeah, 769 00:33:41,156 --> 00:33:43,476 Speaker 4: have you had to deal with that? Like has that 770 00:33:43,596 --> 00:33:46,636 Speaker 4: hard for you being someone who has crossed over and 771 00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:47,396 Speaker 4: found success? 772 00:33:48,836 --> 00:33:53,876 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not not necessarily everybody that. Like, Like, 773 00:33:53,956 --> 00:33:56,476 Speaker 3: my best friend is his name is Hunter Phelps, and 774 00:33:56,556 --> 00:34:00,676 Speaker 3: he he did the artist thing for a while and 775 00:34:01,636 --> 00:34:05,116 Speaker 3: just never he he did really well, but he never 776 00:34:05,196 --> 00:34:07,196 Speaker 3: like never signed a deal, never had a radio single 777 00:34:07,276 --> 00:34:10,116 Speaker 3: or anything like that. And and he you know, so 778 00:34:10,196 --> 00:34:11,916 Speaker 3: he kind of hung it up, or at least, you know, 779 00:34:12,716 --> 00:34:14,396 Speaker 3: full time hung it up. And then he has like 780 00:34:14,756 --> 00:34:16,836 Speaker 3: fifteen number ones under his belt as a writer now, 781 00:34:16,876 --> 00:34:20,396 Speaker 3: so like most people have parlor or transitioned into something 782 00:34:20,436 --> 00:34:23,716 Speaker 3: really great. Another friend of mine, Jordan Brooker. Jordan was 783 00:34:23,716 --> 00:34:25,516 Speaker 3: a songwriter and he was one of the kind of 784 00:34:25,556 --> 00:34:27,716 Speaker 3: guys that that and he would he would be fine 785 00:34:27,756 --> 00:34:30,196 Speaker 3: with me saying this sort of got like he sort 786 00:34:30,196 --> 00:34:32,116 Speaker 3: of went into a corner and was like, I don't know, 787 00:34:32,276 --> 00:34:32,956 Speaker 3: I kind of want to. 788 00:34:32,876 --> 00:34:34,516 Speaker 1: Go do like my own rock thing. 789 00:34:34,596 --> 00:34:36,716 Speaker 3: And we were all like, bro, we're all writing country 790 00:34:36,756 --> 00:34:38,756 Speaker 3: songs like come with Us, and so I feel like 791 00:34:38,796 --> 00:34:41,636 Speaker 3: he kind of got left behind a little bit. And 792 00:34:41,676 --> 00:34:44,076 Speaker 3: then like ten years later, I end up signing his 793 00:34:44,156 --> 00:34:46,036 Speaker 3: rock band to a record label and he's killing it 794 00:34:46,036 --> 00:34:47,276 Speaker 3: and he's making like awesome music. 795 00:34:47,356 --> 00:34:49,356 Speaker 1: So every I feel like everybody that. 796 00:34:49,636 --> 00:34:54,276 Speaker 3: That I felt like has not had success has turned 797 00:34:55,196 --> 00:34:57,356 Speaker 3: whatever that into something else that's been really great. 798 00:34:57,436 --> 00:34:58,316 Speaker 1: So that's really special. 799 00:34:58,876 --> 00:35:01,596 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. Why do you think that it worked 800 00:35:01,596 --> 00:35:03,836 Speaker 4: out so well for you when there's like, I don't 801 00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:05,996 Speaker 4: know if there's so many people have you know, I'm 802 00:35:06,036 --> 00:35:07,956 Speaker 4: sure a ton of people moved to Nashville to try 803 00:35:07,956 --> 00:35:10,756 Speaker 4: and do the exact same thing, but you made it. Like, 804 00:35:10,796 --> 00:35:12,436 Speaker 4: what do you think the difference is? Like do you 805 00:35:12,436 --> 00:35:14,996 Speaker 4: think it's innate talent? Do you think you just are 806 00:35:15,476 --> 00:35:19,116 Speaker 4: you work harder, you met the like the right people, Like, 807 00:35:19,156 --> 00:35:19,756 Speaker 4: what is it? 808 00:35:19,916 --> 00:35:22,076 Speaker 1: I think it's just all of it luck. I think 809 00:35:22,116 --> 00:35:23,276 Speaker 1: it's all of it together. 810 00:35:23,396 --> 00:35:27,156 Speaker 3: But I think the driving force for me is just 811 00:35:27,276 --> 00:35:28,956 Speaker 3: being a decent person. 812 00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:33,836 Speaker 1: And just treating people right and being polite. 813 00:35:33,996 --> 00:35:37,716 Speaker 3: And everybody has their moments, like you know, and it 814 00:35:37,836 --> 00:35:40,436 Speaker 3: sucks when you do have a bad moment with a 815 00:35:40,476 --> 00:35:42,436 Speaker 3: fan or with somebody, or somebody sees you kind of 816 00:35:42,476 --> 00:35:44,436 Speaker 3: being an ascid But you know what, man, we're all 817 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:45,636 Speaker 3: we all have those days. 818 00:35:45,636 --> 00:35:46,836 Speaker 1: We all have those moments. 819 00:35:46,836 --> 00:35:49,036 Speaker 3: It just sucks to be sort of in the spotlight 820 00:35:49,116 --> 00:35:50,796 Speaker 3: or just being kind of caught at the wrong place 821 00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:52,156 Speaker 3: at the right or wrong time. 822 00:35:53,076 --> 00:35:56,036 Speaker 1: But you know, talent is. 823 00:35:57,436 --> 00:36:01,156 Speaker 3: Fifty one percent of it, luck is ten percent, right 824 00:36:01,156 --> 00:36:03,516 Speaker 3: place at the right time is ten percent, and then 825 00:36:03,876 --> 00:36:06,876 Speaker 3: the other twenty nine percent or whatever is I really 826 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:09,236 Speaker 3: truly believe, and hard work is in there too. But 827 00:36:09,356 --> 00:36:12,396 Speaker 3: it's just being somebody that people want to work with. 828 00:36:12,476 --> 00:36:14,956 Speaker 3: Because I can tell you right now I have people 829 00:36:14,956 --> 00:36:17,396 Speaker 3: that I write with that are not the best writers 830 00:36:17,396 --> 00:36:22,356 Speaker 3: in town. There are people that are more talented than 831 00:36:22,356 --> 00:36:25,076 Speaker 3: the people I love working with. That sucks as a 832 00:36:25,156 --> 00:36:27,036 Speaker 3: human being, and I don't want to work with that 833 00:36:27,076 --> 00:36:31,556 Speaker 3: person period. So, like Pete, just be somebody that people 834 00:36:31,596 --> 00:36:32,916 Speaker 3: want to work with, that people. 835 00:36:32,636 --> 00:36:36,156 Speaker 1: Want to root for, and and and just a good 836 00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:37,476 Speaker 1: hanging pet that people like being. 837 00:36:37,556 --> 00:36:40,076 Speaker 3: You know that you make people feel comfortable being being 838 00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:43,476 Speaker 3: around you. I think it. There's so much of that. 839 00:36:43,556 --> 00:36:45,876 Speaker 3: I mean, all of the all of the biggest people 840 00:36:45,916 --> 00:36:48,156 Speaker 3: in Nashville, the people that I looked up to, like 841 00:36:48,276 --> 00:36:52,556 Speaker 3: Blake Shelton, the Luke Bryan, Miranda Lambert, Derk's Bentley have 842 00:36:52,756 --> 00:36:57,396 Speaker 3: all been the most kind, easy to be around people, 843 00:36:57,556 --> 00:37:00,516 Speaker 3: personable and just normal at their core people. 844 00:37:00,876 --> 00:37:02,476 Speaker 1: And I just I truly believe that's why. 845 00:37:02,556 --> 00:37:05,796 Speaker 3: That's what turns people into like a superstar, is that 846 00:37:06,076 --> 00:37:07,196 Speaker 3: so many people just love. 847 00:37:07,036 --> 00:37:07,596 Speaker 1: Who you are. 848 00:37:08,316 --> 00:37:10,596 Speaker 4: I feel like Lady like that too. She seems so. 849 00:37:10,556 --> 00:37:14,196 Speaker 1: Cool, unbelievably normal, Like unbelievably normal. 850 00:37:14,276 --> 00:37:16,796 Speaker 3: She would she hits me up all the time and 851 00:37:16,836 --> 00:37:19,796 Speaker 3: she's we our schedules are also crazy, so we haven't 852 00:37:19,796 --> 00:37:20,076 Speaker 3: done it. 853 00:37:20,076 --> 00:37:21,076 Speaker 1: But she's like, you want to go get some. 854 00:37:21,036 --> 00:37:22,836 Speaker 3: Mexican food, you know, And I'm just like, man, it 855 00:37:22,956 --> 00:37:25,716 Speaker 3: just sounds like something. You know, she is my buddy, 856 00:37:25,716 --> 00:37:27,636 Speaker 3: but just sounds like something one of my guys buddies 857 00:37:27,676 --> 00:37:29,876 Speaker 3: would just be like, hey, dude, you know. I mean, 858 00:37:29,916 --> 00:37:32,996 Speaker 3: she's so that girl for the amount of success and 859 00:37:33,196 --> 00:37:37,596 Speaker 3: stardom that she's experienced, has not changed a single bit. 860 00:37:37,676 --> 00:37:39,316 Speaker 1: And I love that so much about her. 861 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:41,596 Speaker 4: Is there anybody that you want to work with on 862 00:37:41,636 --> 00:37:43,396 Speaker 4: the new album that you can tell us about, like 863 00:37:43,476 --> 00:37:51,076 Speaker 4: any collaborations or any like new metal people, you know. 864 00:37:51,076 --> 00:37:54,876 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. I mean, I love Mike. Mike 865 00:37:54,956 --> 00:37:56,116 Speaker 1: Shinoda would be really cool. 866 00:37:56,276 --> 00:37:58,836 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's so cool have you met him? 867 00:37:59,036 --> 00:38:00,196 Speaker 1: No, No, I never met him. 868 00:38:01,356 --> 00:38:04,996 Speaker 3: That would be very cool, even I mean I would 869 00:38:05,036 --> 00:38:07,116 Speaker 3: do another song with Fred Durst, or even like if 870 00:38:07,196 --> 00:38:09,876 Speaker 3: I had, like Wes Borland play like a a part 871 00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:14,876 Speaker 3: on something I don't know's there's a million a million people, 872 00:38:14,916 --> 00:38:15,996 Speaker 3: I'm sure that would come to mind. 873 00:38:16,036 --> 00:38:18,196 Speaker 1: But I haven't really given it a lot of thought yet. 874 00:38:18,236 --> 00:38:20,956 Speaker 3: I've only written I think five or six songs for 875 00:38:21,036 --> 00:38:23,116 Speaker 3: this next project, and I've got a long way to go. 876 00:38:23,396 --> 00:38:30,516 Speaker 4: So okay, you have twenty more So with like the 877 00:38:30,556 --> 00:38:32,716 Speaker 4: Fred the Fred Dirt back to the Fred Durst song, 878 00:38:32,836 --> 00:38:35,516 Speaker 4: like when he did he send you that verse and 879 00:38:35,556 --> 00:38:38,716 Speaker 4: then you listen to it and then like did you 880 00:38:38,796 --> 00:38:41,036 Speaker 4: work remotely or cause you guys weren't in the same 881 00:38:41,396 --> 00:38:41,796 Speaker 4: we weren't. 882 00:38:41,876 --> 00:38:44,716 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that hook, I had that chorus. When 883 00:38:44,716 --> 00:38:46,556 Speaker 3: we cut it in the studio, we just cut like, 884 00:38:46,876 --> 00:38:50,036 Speaker 3: you know whatever. It was sixteen bar verse and I 885 00:38:50,156 --> 00:38:51,756 Speaker 3: just sent it to him and he was like, what's 886 00:38:51,836 --> 00:38:53,756 Speaker 3: what kind of vibe are you feeling? And I sort 887 00:38:53,796 --> 00:38:55,236 Speaker 3: of would send it back and then he was like 888 00:38:55,316 --> 00:38:58,036 Speaker 3: what about this? And I'm pretty sure the first thing 889 00:38:58,076 --> 00:39:01,196 Speaker 3: he sent back, I was like, that sounds like Fred Durst. Like, 890 00:39:01,236 --> 00:39:03,956 Speaker 3: that's that's cool to me, and that's what we went with. 891 00:39:04,036 --> 00:39:06,356 Speaker 3: But yeah, unfortunately we didn't get to sit in the 892 00:39:06,356 --> 00:39:11,276 Speaker 3: same room together, but it was it was again, like 893 00:39:11,476 --> 00:39:14,396 Speaker 3: extremely cool, and you know, he didn't he didn't go silent, 894 00:39:14,436 --> 00:39:17,196 Speaker 3: but like he had just had a kid or something. 895 00:39:18,636 --> 00:39:19,636 Speaker 1: Kind of right in the middle of it. 896 00:39:19,676 --> 00:39:21,476 Speaker 3: So I didn't hear from him for like a few weeks, 897 00:39:21,956 --> 00:39:24,636 Speaker 3: and then I was writing a song with some friends, uh, 898 00:39:24,676 --> 00:39:27,996 Speaker 3: and I was wearing a hat to say live laugh 899 00:39:28,156 --> 00:39:30,076 Speaker 3: lit biscuit kind. 900 00:39:29,916 --> 00:39:34,116 Speaker 1: Of cheesy, and that day he texted out of the blue. 901 00:39:34,156 --> 00:39:35,956 Speaker 3: After like three weeks I'm not hearing from him, he 902 00:39:35,956 --> 00:39:38,116 Speaker 3: texted me all like his verses and stuff, and I 903 00:39:38,156 --> 00:39:39,636 Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's cool, and I sent him a 904 00:39:39,676 --> 00:39:42,596 Speaker 3: selfie wearing the hat and then he was like yo, 905 00:39:42,756 --> 00:39:43,756 Speaker 3: he was like who made that hat? 906 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:45,836 Speaker 1: I'm about to go sue him and put that on 907 00:39:45,876 --> 00:39:46,876 Speaker 1: our own merch line. 908 00:39:47,676 --> 00:39:51,956 Speaker 4: Totally, that's crazy. So do you feel comfortable at that 909 00:39:52,036 --> 00:39:53,756 Speaker 4: point since you look up to him so much and 910 00:39:53,796 --> 00:39:56,476 Speaker 4: you love him, Like, do you feel comfortable being like, oh, hey, 911 00:39:56,596 --> 00:39:59,116 Speaker 4: can you change like the third line or. 912 00:39:59,676 --> 00:40:02,716 Speaker 3: Yeah it doesn't definitely, yeah, yeah, I mean in a 913 00:40:02,756 --> 00:40:05,116 Speaker 3: creative space, you know, and he's an artist and he 914 00:40:05,476 --> 00:40:07,636 Speaker 3: gets that. So I, you know, I don't really remember 915 00:40:08,196 --> 00:40:11,156 Speaker 3: the details of that conversation, but one percent if there 916 00:40:11,196 --> 00:40:15,236 Speaker 3: was one thing that bothered me. Again, he's a creative, 917 00:40:15,276 --> 00:40:17,396 Speaker 3: so he totally gets it. I I feel like he 918 00:40:17,396 --> 00:40:18,836 Speaker 3: would totally respect. 919 00:40:18,396 --> 00:40:20,316 Speaker 1: That and and and and come back with. 920 00:40:20,476 --> 00:40:23,436 Speaker 3: Whatever was best for the song for sure, which is 921 00:40:23,436 --> 00:40:24,596 Speaker 3: so crazy to think about. 922 00:40:24,676 --> 00:40:27,196 Speaker 1: You know, Hey, Fred Durst, I didn't like that on 923 00:40:27,316 --> 00:40:28,116 Speaker 1: a lie or whatever. 924 00:40:28,196 --> 00:40:30,196 Speaker 3: But you know, that's the great thing about working with 925 00:40:30,236 --> 00:40:33,356 Speaker 3: great artists is, you know, people we're all just on 926 00:40:33,396 --> 00:40:35,956 Speaker 3: the same page. Like, yeah, I haven't gotten in an 927 00:40:36,036 --> 00:40:38,876 Speaker 3: argument with an artist or like a songwriter. 928 00:40:40,436 --> 00:40:42,276 Speaker 1: Maybe ever, but in a very long. 929 00:40:42,156 --> 00:40:44,836 Speaker 3: Time, because it just everybody is in it for the 930 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:48,276 Speaker 3: greater good of writing a great song. And that's what 931 00:40:48,716 --> 00:40:53,196 Speaker 3: I think a true creative is is that's just that's 932 00:40:53,196 --> 00:40:55,516 Speaker 3: what they do. And and yeah, it's been it's been 933 00:40:55,556 --> 00:40:57,156 Speaker 3: really cool to work with all different kind of artists. 934 00:40:57,156 --> 00:40:59,796 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I've done stuff like Bear Teeth. 935 00:40:59,516 --> 00:41:04,996 Speaker 3: And and everything from I mean post Alone and uh 936 00:41:05,236 --> 00:41:05,476 Speaker 3: It to. 937 00:41:05,556 --> 00:41:07,836 Speaker 1: Like Landy Wilson and there's they you're all they're all 938 00:41:07,836 --> 00:41:09,716 Speaker 1: on the same page. It's all. It's all doing the 939 00:41:09,716 --> 00:41:11,356 Speaker 1: same kind of work, just with different people. 940 00:41:12,156 --> 00:41:16,356 Speaker 4: Yeah. I just want to ask you about Joey moy Yeah, 941 00:41:16,436 --> 00:41:18,516 Speaker 4: so he used to be you mentioned Nickelback, So he 942 00:41:18,676 --> 00:41:22,396 Speaker 4: was a producer with Nickelback, right, and then now he's 943 00:41:22,476 --> 00:41:25,916 Speaker 4: kind of like transitioned into this to like a whole 944 00:41:25,956 --> 00:41:30,036 Speaker 4: like country Nashville kind of career. Is he sort of 945 00:41:30,116 --> 00:41:34,836 Speaker 4: like the mastermind behind a movement in Nashville? Like, how 946 00:41:34,836 --> 00:41:37,516 Speaker 4: do you describe his position right now? Like what he's built. 947 00:41:37,836 --> 00:41:39,356 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's done it twice in that and 948 00:41:39,396 --> 00:41:40,716 Speaker 3: he's done it three times in music. 949 00:41:40,756 --> 00:41:45,076 Speaker 1: I mean he so he he did. He started I. 950 00:41:44,996 --> 00:41:48,276 Speaker 3: Believe as an engineer and that in Vancouver working on 951 00:41:49,316 --> 00:41:52,356 Speaker 3: Nickelback records, and then he got the producer gig for 952 00:41:53,396 --> 00:41:54,916 Speaker 3: I want to say dark Horse, but I want to 953 00:41:54,956 --> 00:41:58,076 Speaker 3: say it was like, uh, it was after Silver Side Up, 954 00:41:58,076 --> 00:42:01,436 Speaker 3: so it was maybe like all the right reasons the 955 00:42:01,516 --> 00:42:04,236 Speaker 3: Long Road and dark Horse. But anyway, he was a 956 00:42:04,276 --> 00:42:07,316 Speaker 3: part of the Nickelback's like a really big wave. And 957 00:42:07,356 --> 00:42:10,836 Speaker 3: then he was involved with a guy named a manager 958 00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:12,796 Speaker 3: in town that just goes by. 959 00:42:12,756 --> 00:42:17,076 Speaker 1: Chief, I believe, and Chief had moved to Nashville. 960 00:42:17,556 --> 00:42:20,076 Speaker 3: I also believe and talked to Joey into coming and 961 00:42:20,116 --> 00:42:25,236 Speaker 3: producing some songs. That's that's Rodney Clausen was involved. Long 962 00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:28,636 Speaker 3: story short, Joey came and produced a jac Ohen record 963 00:42:28,996 --> 00:42:31,036 Speaker 3: and kind of put this stadium rock thing on it, 964 00:42:31,756 --> 00:42:33,516 Speaker 3: and Jake had a song called Barefoot the Blue g 965 00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:36,436 Speaker 3: Knight that was like massive, and then from there he 966 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:39,396 Speaker 3: started producing Florida Georgia Line and then like that just 967 00:42:39,476 --> 00:42:42,396 Speaker 3: sort of that changed everything for a very long time 968 00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:46,036 Speaker 3: in Nashville. I think still to this day, is that 969 00:42:46,276 --> 00:42:48,556 Speaker 3: one stuck like there will be people that sound like FGL, 970 00:42:48,596 --> 00:42:51,876 Speaker 3: I think for a long time. Yeah, and then uh, 971 00:42:52,596 --> 00:42:55,476 Speaker 3: around the time actually yeah, around the time FGL broke 972 00:42:55,556 --> 00:42:59,596 Speaker 3: up Morgan walland took off and Joey produced all of 973 00:42:59,636 --> 00:43:03,876 Speaker 3: Morgan stuff, And so yeah, I mean he's he's he's 974 00:43:03,876 --> 00:43:06,036 Speaker 3: got a thing figured out. I've sat in every single 975 00:43:06,036 --> 00:43:08,596 Speaker 3: and he's my producer as well. I sat in every 976 00:43:08,596 --> 00:43:12,436 Speaker 3: single set, every song we've ever recorded. He's extremely meticulous. 977 00:43:12,636 --> 00:43:16,116 Speaker 3: His biggest thing is like there never being any blank 978 00:43:16,156 --> 00:43:18,036 Speaker 3: space in a song. When there can be a catchy 979 00:43:18,076 --> 00:43:20,436 Speaker 3: part that's written, it's usually a guitar part, but like 980 00:43:20,916 --> 00:43:23,916 Speaker 3: feeling the space feeling the space, making sure it's palatable 981 00:43:23,956 --> 00:43:26,636 Speaker 3: and you can sing along to it, and that whole thing. 982 00:43:26,676 --> 00:43:29,996 Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of how he produces, 983 00:43:30,116 --> 00:43:32,716 Speaker 3: is just making sure that there's no dead space for 984 00:43:32,796 --> 00:43:36,476 Speaker 3: anybody to become or to get bored. You know, he's 985 00:43:36,476 --> 00:43:38,996 Speaker 3: out in LA now kind of running the rock label, 986 00:43:38,996 --> 00:43:42,516 Speaker 3: and I feel like, I kind of joke. I haven't 987 00:43:42,556 --> 00:43:43,836 Speaker 3: said this to him, but I think he's just like 988 00:43:44,156 --> 00:43:46,076 Speaker 3: he's not at the end of his career, but he's 989 00:43:46,116 --> 00:43:48,156 Speaker 3: done so much shit and I think he's made so 990 00:43:48,276 --> 00:43:50,436 Speaker 3: much money that he's like, I just want to run 991 00:43:50,436 --> 00:43:53,036 Speaker 3: a rock label and sign rock bands and like do 992 00:43:53,116 --> 00:43:53,596 Speaker 3: that whole thing. 993 00:43:53,636 --> 00:43:54,916 Speaker 1: So he's spending a lot of time. 994 00:43:54,716 --> 00:43:57,836 Speaker 3: In LA right now doing that and just just living 995 00:43:57,876 --> 00:43:58,716 Speaker 3: his best life. 996 00:43:59,116 --> 00:44:00,996 Speaker 4: I feel like with it's like the pressure is off, 997 00:44:01,036 --> 00:44:03,036 Speaker 4: He's probably gonna have a whole new era, like a 998 00:44:03,036 --> 00:44:05,436 Speaker 4: whole new success, like find a whole new group of 999 00:44:05,476 --> 00:44:07,396 Speaker 4: people that are good to kill it. 1000 00:44:07,476 --> 00:44:09,476 Speaker 3: I mean, look, he's one of the smartest people, if 1001 00:44:09,516 --> 00:44:11,996 Speaker 3: not the smartest human that I know, so like he 1002 00:44:12,516 --> 00:44:17,356 Speaker 3: completely understands this new era with social media, Like I like, 1003 00:44:17,596 --> 00:44:19,396 Speaker 3: shit that goes over my head and I'm just like 1004 00:44:20,036 --> 00:44:22,116 Speaker 3: how Michael Scott says, explain this to me like I'm 1005 00:44:22,156 --> 00:44:22,756 Speaker 3: a ten year old. 1006 00:44:22,916 --> 00:44:24,796 Speaker 1: That's how I feel like talking to him a lot. 1007 00:44:24,836 --> 00:44:26,436 Speaker 1: But yeah, but he just gets it. 1008 00:44:26,436 --> 00:44:28,836 Speaker 3: He's one of those people that like he'll be around 1009 00:44:28,876 --> 00:44:31,796 Speaker 3: forever because he just understands music on a different level 1010 00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:32,596 Speaker 3: than a lot of people. 1011 00:44:33,196 --> 00:44:36,276 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Hardy. I'll let you go, 1012 00:44:36,356 --> 00:44:37,956 Speaker 4: But thank you so much. It's been cool to talk 1013 00:44:38,036 --> 00:44:38,236 Speaker 4: to you. 1014 00:44:38,396 --> 00:44:39,396 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed it. 1015 00:44:39,436 --> 00:44:42,236 Speaker 3: I feel like when we get into songwriting, I'm like, 1016 00:44:42,276 --> 00:44:44,476 Speaker 3: I could talk hours about songwriting. 1017 00:44:44,476 --> 00:44:46,396 Speaker 1: I love it so much. So thanks for letting me 1018 00:44:46,436 --> 00:44:47,156 Speaker 1: open up about that. 1019 00:44:50,516 --> 00:44:52,356 Speaker 2: In the episode description, you'll find a link to a 1020 00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:54,836 Speaker 2: playlist of our favorite Hardy songs. Be sure to check 1021 00:44:54,836 --> 00:44:57,716 Speaker 2: out YouTube dot com slash Broken Record podcast to see 1022 00:44:57,756 --> 00:45:01,316 Speaker 2: all our video interviews. 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