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Speaker 1: This is okay, Op, we tell the craziest stories on

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Speaker 1: planet Earth. I'm Sam and John Carrie. Should Op keep gambling?

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Speaker 1: Bro keep rolling it? Yeah, keeps lost unless you stop

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Speaker 1: double down.

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Speaker 2: It's that one quote from that show The Office. You

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Speaker 1: Take all the shots. Michael Scott, Wayne.

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Speaker 2: I totally lost.

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Speaker 3: This is why this is why we assist we are

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Speaker 3: sisters on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Sister that the sisters. Yes, sisters, Great, it's a cute podcast. Well,

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Speaker 1: so we think Op should keep gambling? Is financial advice?

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Speaker 1: Double nothing? But John Carrie what way to find out?

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Speaker 1: Still okay? So my professional five three five seven says,

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Speaker 1: this is the first title of the story. I lost

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Speaker 1: is on November seventeenth, twenty twenty one. Need advice? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do. I'm thirty six and not in debt other

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Speaker 1: and I'm scared to death. I've been gambling somewhat randomly

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Speaker 1: in losses, most of which most of which which was

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Speaker 2: I just need to know, like, what specifically is he

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Speaker 2: doing to lose that much money? Like, is it like

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Speaker 2: big numbers roll like high roller stuff for.

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean it could be Wall Street. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of shit, that's true, but you wouldn't call that gambling.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of Yeah, if you're yoloing into dogecoin,

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Speaker 1: I went back, so I'm well over three hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: My wife doesn't know a thing. Oh no, the money

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm a terrible son. I feel shame. And

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Speaker 1: He is down bad, emphasis on the down bad.

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Speaker 2: Like the epitome of being financially financially is.

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Speaker 1: He is in the dumpster fire and he is burning

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Speaker 1: need to go back to get it back. Oh, we

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Speaker 1: were very much joking in the beginning. Please stop. Please,

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Speaker 1: he's one trade away or one one black jack turn

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Speaker 2: No, that's so real.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's the only problem. I think

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I've got a horrible confession to make after

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Speaker 1: I still feel it need to go back to get

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like the first thing he should

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. How do you get what

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Speaker 1: Now it affects you, Yeah, because that's the marriage. You

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Speaker 2: If they have joint assets or like a joint finance account.

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Speaker 1: Oh we get call Brad Sandler the divorce Lawyer. And also,

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Speaker 1: just as a precursor, Please note that the content of

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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, and should consult your own lawyer

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Speaker 1: for personal legal advice. And with that, let's call Brad.

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Speaker 2: Love that.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Brad the divorce lawyer. I have a

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Speaker 1: No worries, Sorry, everybody, no worries. Okay, talk soon, damn

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Speaker 1: whistlerfore this would be that was that was perfect? Yeah

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Speaker 1: we're a big time Now. Now onto the juicy update,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. So this is December twenty fourth, twenty

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Speaker 2: This is just sad, guys, This is just so sad.

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Speaker 1: And there's another update, another one from a month later.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, not the next month. Maybe he'll hit

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I can already read the comments

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Speaker 4: and they're just like, don't make fun of people with

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Speaker 1: If you want gambling help, call White eight hundred six

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Speaker 1: back into this harsh reality. Struggling to forget and a

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Speaker 2: Because I'm sure as hell he's not getting any validation

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Speaker 1: That's the hard part. Instead, I found myself pulling money

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Speaker 1: So hey, everyone, haven't posted here for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: insane amount of stress. Came to Jesus and banned myself

435
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 1: from all land based casinos, water anybody, oh, no online.

436
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: This was step one to freedom, confess everything to family.

437
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,719
Speaker 1: Step two went to hell and back because of it,

438
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: lost respect, trust, love, held onto the marriage, but it

439
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: was brutal. Starting to gain back trust. Step three luckily,

440
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: work got very busy kept my mind occupied, which helped

441
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: a great deal. I cannot forgive myself losses and pain

442
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: I've caused my loved ones bothers me all the time,

443
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: But I don't think about wanting to go back and

444
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: gamble ever again. Step four self realization, good luck to

445
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: no gambling. And I wish that's where the story ended.

446
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: I wish because then it would be a happy ending.

447
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: This is just punch after punch after punch.

448
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get us no beautiful breath. No,

449
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: we're going back under because did it again? Need desperate device.

450
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 1: January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. So this is like

451
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 1: this year, Wow, so much for a ban urge to

452
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: reinstate and I did so He's like, can I get

453
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: back in one forty thousand dollars from just three k.

454
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: Stop no, please please please please just put it all back.

455
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, last thirty k and then gradual losses

456
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 4: of five to six K after putting back twenty k

457
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 4: the next day, stop thirty k in debt from the

458
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: additional money.

459
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: That was in debt.

460
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: Because has he even paid off his previous debt?

461
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: No, not paid it off?

462
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: Maybe guessing here, Riley informed me, if we have more information,

463
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 3: maybe started paying yeah off, maybe made.

464
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: Definitely yeah, definitely not that debt. Still has that debt.

465
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: I'm sure no way to repay all the finances that

466
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: are handled by the significant other. What do I do?

467
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: Last time was a family crisis. Now I have no

468
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: choice but to turn to my parents again and say,

469
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: bail me out one last time. The problem is last

470
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: time I should have learned my lesson. I really don't

471
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: know what to do. I can't tell anyone about this

472
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: recent event or else I'm doomed and I will really

473
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: hurt my loved ones if this comes out, however it may,

474
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: and I may definitely get divorced. I got a wife

475
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: and kid who I don't want to lose. I want

476
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: to tell my parents that I had this loan from

477
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: the last event that turned my whole life upside down.

478
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: But I fear this will put them through HELLM back

479
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: knowing how they you know, how can they can even

480
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: trust him? Because I guess he wants a loan from

481
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: his parents that the bailmount right. I make good money, but

482
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: can't use it now that the partner controls the finances.

483
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, how should I handle this? Oh? He keeps

484
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: asking us some big, big questions.

485
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't really know what to like. This is

486
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: so sad. This is just sad, Like he just doesn't

487
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 2: This individual just doesn't know when to stop, and there's

488
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: nothing we can do.

489
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: He just needs to take out like he's Obviously he's

490
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: shown to himself repeatedly that he doesn't have the self

491
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: control required to handle any kind of finances. What little

492
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: control he has he also needs to take away. I'm

493
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: surprised he even has the ability to. Yeah, I would.

494
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 3: I would wonder like, is there a way you know

495
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: how you can almost like they have this for kids

496
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: where it's like you can set like a very small

497
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: limit on like a card or something like a few

498
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: hundred bucks. Like what if it's something like that where

499
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: it's like every every few days he has enough to

500
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: obviously go like get lunch or like whatever.

501
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not.

502
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: Able to go and like he doesn't have access to

503
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: withdraw from an ATM something along those lines.

504
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: The one thing I was going to say is that

505
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: there is this man this counseling program called a credit

506
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: counseling program, which basically access out the opportunity for you

507
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: to use your credit cards at all costs. Interesting he can't.

508
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if he knew these resources. I'm sure

509
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: people in the comments were telling him all kinds of

510
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: resources and solutions. But one of the solutions is to

511
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: completely just disassociate and disconnect from your cards. So no

512
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: credit score, no credit card, you can't gamble, you can't

513
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: use any of that but your debit card, and you

514
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: have to build.

515
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: It back up. Yeah.

516
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he should have found some level of

517
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 2: accountability either from his wife, which he mentioned he has.

518
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like he's restricted himself a lot. Yeah,

519
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: obviously not enough if he's still able to blow forty

520
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: grand in like a week. Yeah, but it doesn't stop here.

521
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh my god. So hit rock bond and again.

522
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: February fifth, twenty twenty three, hey'all, please stop gambling. I

523
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: relapse and now forty thousand dollars in debt and no

524
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: way to repay. Considering the situation I'm in where the

525
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: partner controls the finances, I cannot let anyone know about

526
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: this or it's going to be a huge problem. I

527
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: just can't believe I put myself through this again. I

528
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: don't even have money left from the last round of stupidity,

529
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: no more access to loans, and have already borrowed from

530
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: friends and family. Now I'm sitting with five hundred dollars

531
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: in my account with bills to pay. This shit sucks

532
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: so bad. I need help, but don't know if my

533
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: partner will be as supportive this time when she finds out.

534
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: February twenty seventh, anyone in relapse, how should I tell

535
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: my partner? Struggling to find some courage to tell my

536
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: spouse that I aft up a second time, and how

537
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: miserable of a husband's father I am. I work so

538
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: hard to dump our money to the casino. I already

539
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: got my ultimatum last time after master losses. Here I

540
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: am again reliving the past, except this time it all debt.

541
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: My head is going to explode. I'm super stressed out

542
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: and don't know what to do. Anyone tell their fignarsman

543
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: other of a relapse and how to go March fourth,

544
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: Maybe some of you read my posts. I'm in a

545
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: devastating situation, but I got a second chance. Banned myself

546
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: a year later, same boat, now badly in debt. I

547
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: keep thinking what got me into gambling? I work hard

548
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 1: to earn money, but money doesn't hold great value to me. Why. Well,

549
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: I think I have an answer. We're getting into the backstory. Okay.

550
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: Throughout my younger years, my pops never let me manage

551
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: my finances. He always checked my accounts, always wanted me

552
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: be the one to manage, always led me to believe

553
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: what he got is mine one day. It's not rich,

554
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: just normal. I never felt in control, and I never

555
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: learned to manage well because it was just money. But

556
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: I see young people now so cautious of their finances.

557
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if what I'm thinking is wrong. I

558
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: really don't want to blame my parents, but I wish

559
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: if I had the freedom to manage my earnings and

560
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: expenses in my younger years, I wouldn't chase easy money.

561
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: I have a gambling problem. I admit it now now

562
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: I need help and certainly devastated by the outcome debt

563
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: up to my eyeballs. I earn good money, but people

564
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: got bills to pay and need to survive. I wonder

565
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: how much this guy makes Probably a lot of question.

566
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably making like maybe like half a

567
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: MILLI year, So yeah, right, well, I mean and I

568
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: had a ton of that.

569
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I really don't know how it works.

570
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: But can you go in and like with kind of

571
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: like like a like a margin loan investing where it's

572
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: like you can put in like thirty K, but then

573
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: you could lose up to like a million or something, right,

574
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if that structure exists.

575
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Like, you can always declare bankruptcy.

576
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: He hasn't done that either. I don't think we heard

577
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: about that.

578
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: That is so true. Yeah, you lose everything is so

579
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: your assets. But if he has a good job, just

580
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: declear bankruptcy.

581
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: Bro The other thing I was going to say. He

582
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: says he's hit rock bottom multiple times, but rock bottom

583
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: means holding yourself accountable for your mistakes. And he hasn't

584
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: declared bankruptcy. He hasn't. He's still hiding from his wife

585
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: and his kids, Like is that really rock bottom? Is

586
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: that really accountability?

587
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: And what he was just saying where he's like, I

588
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 3: do really feel for the guy, but like he's going

589
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: through it. When when he was saying like, oh maybe

590
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: if I could handle my own finances with my with

591
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: not my dad, I'm sorry, but like.

592
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: That, that feels like shifting blame, doesn't it. It feels

593
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: like shifting blame. It's like, oh no, no, no, like I'm

594
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: like this because of my father. Yeah, I just like

595
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: again feel form but that I don't think that's the right.

596
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it's not the right. Add it is not.

597
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: After your dad continued managing your money, you wouldn't be

598
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: in this exactly.

599
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: It sounds like he has a serious problem, right, But

600
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: there's only so much empathy we can hold if he's

601
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: not holding himself accountable.

602
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I need help. I'm certainly devastated by

603
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: the outcome that up to my eyeballs earn good money

604
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So I tried to have my spouse

605
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: manage the finances. Instead I pulled out loans behind their back.

606
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Do I deserve a third chance or should this be

607
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: it divorce and destruction respectfully.

608
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: He needs to lose everything to learn his lesson and

609
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: to just.

610
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean bankruptcy, dude, to clear bankruptcy. Just do it.

611
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: I declare bankruptcy office quote. Now we get it. So

612
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: March sixth, someone give me the courage to break the news. Dude,

613
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Just do it. How do I tell my wife about

614
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the relapse? Tell her, text her, email her? This is

615
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: killing me. How do I tell her that I broke

616
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: her trust again? Put us in again a bad situation?

617
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: This is crazy, This shit ruins lives. Man, here, I

618
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: am a grown ass man, crying like a whoosy, have

619
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: no control, no realization to my actions. Can't do anything

620
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: other than putting my loved ones in pain and suffering. God,

621
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: I can't deal with this anyone here. Relapsed and racked

622
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: up six figure debt June seventeenth, twenty twenty three, last year.

623
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: So this is like a recap terrible losses mid six

624
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: figures now using up all the great credit built over

625
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: many years, picked up tour Decaine debt at pretty harsh

626
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: interest from multiple bullshit places. Life incomplete turmoil, unhappy, depressed,

627
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: fed up, stressed to know and regrets unfaithfulness with spouse,

628
00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: no what what op? No financial infidelity? Please please do

629
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Let it only be that dude, fake smiles, hidden cries.

630
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: You name it because it's by far the worst list.

631
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Numb to value of money between four walls of the

632
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Devil's house outside of the reality hits hard now sitting

633
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: back thinking what do I do? Approaching forty, which gives

634
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: me chills. Anyone relates, can't face a second confession, no

635
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: heart or strength. Then August fifth came clean a second time.

636
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Just confess to wife heartbreak, don't know what's going to happen.

637
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I deserve any and all punishment. At this point, couldn't

638
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: avoid coming clean because of lies and double life. I

639
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: couldn't stand living anymore. I hope I come out stronger

640
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: for a family that was August fifth and it lived after.

641
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Please please, please please last August eighteen, Today, for the

642
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: second time, I feel so humiliated again because of my relapse.

643
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Had my family walk out the door and I'm here alone.

644
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: More than money, I lost loved ones, trust and just

645
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: quit gambling people. October fourteenth, twenty twenty three. Wife left

646
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: with the kid that in over my head, completely destroyed

647
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: myself financially because I'd have to sell my house to

648
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: repay for it. And once again the house has won

649
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: and we continue to think we can beat them. What

650
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't get is how I can let this get

651
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: to the point where it is without thinking of the consequences,

652
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: and to make it worse, I had ample time to

653
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: dwell on and repeat the mistakes. What the hell is

654
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: this rush? It's the worst effing drug in the world.

655
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: This one not only ruins you, but also your family. Mentally,

656
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm a wreck. I only wish I could make it

657
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: out on top restart at forty That's where I've ended

658
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: up October fifteenth. This isn't a comment. Thanks for all

659
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: the supportive comments everyone. It's just so hard coping with

660
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: all of this, knowing I'd be defaulting on payments. I

661
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: had too many chances to get out help from family,

662
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: which I abuse, and I'm in deeper than ever a

663
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: hole that I can't get out of. Wife won't support

664
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: me in any way financially, even though I said I

665
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: would repay the debt if she allowed me to switch

666
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: from unsecured to secured home line of credit, which gives

667
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: me some breathing room. I understand that the wife should

668
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: not give you any breathing room.

669
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: There is no line of credit secured on secured whatever, Yeah,

670
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: that the wife will concede for at this point.

671
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: All right, all right, so you've read all like imagine

672
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: you're the wife reading these reddit posts. Yeah, see where

673
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: he is right now, right, and he says, Babe, I

674
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: need a little breathing room. Can he loan me some money?

675
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: Was he saying breathing room for him or getting a

676
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: loan would be breathing room on the loans, or like.

677
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: A better room loan for him for him to pay

678
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: back everything that he owes?

679
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: Also, did he say if he sold the house then

680
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: it would clear all the debts? He said, because if so,

681
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: sell the freaking house? Yeah, am I wrong? Like rock Bottom?

682
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: Like sell everything, default, do whatever, declare bankruptcy or sell that.

683
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: If he can sell the house and cover everything, good

684
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: magic you start like you can you can just go

685
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: rent an apartment, pay all the debts, rent an apartment.

686
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: And honestly, I'm wondering, I feel like there's probably something

687
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: like people get a trust right for like the states

688
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: and inheritance. I have to imagine there's something where you

689
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: could get a trust and you and you get the

690
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: executor of the trust and you're like, listen, I'm going

691
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: to sell my home.

692
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Here's the contract.

693
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you legally will execute getting the sell the house.

694
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: You'll put it in this bank account, which I can't

695
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: do anything with. Yeah, but legally the only thing that

696
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: can be done with this money is pay off my debts.

697
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: And it's gone. So what he did say is debt

698
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: in over my head completely destroyed myself financially because I'd

699
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: have to sell my house to repay it.

700
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: Because I'd have to sell my house to repay it,

701
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: sell the house to repay it.

702
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: I don't understand why he's like making all these solutions,

703
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: he's not following through them, But I don't know. I

704
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: don't know. It's so tough.

705
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: Well, because if you sell your house then it's basically

706
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: like that's your only asset.

707
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: But is that that's probably better than declaring bankruptcy, probably

708
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: because you your credit everything is destroyed when you declare bankruptcy,

709
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 3: but which actually his credit is already you know, bankruptcy

710
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: might it's probably two options that could both work. There's

711
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: probably pros and cons, but do do one of them?

712
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 3: I think from the context we know that seems to

713
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: be a solution. Correct, You's not wrong in the comments,

714
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: I'm in way over my head. Defaulting means my credit

715
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: gets shot and court notices to follow. I'm already getting

716
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: harassed by creditors for payments. I'm okay with no credit

717
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: because honestly, the access to credit is like why I'm

718
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: where I'm at. I know I'm not alone, but unfortunate

719
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: we are where we at. Lifelong earnings can disappear within

720
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: days and that makes me sick to my stomach. And

721
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: then November fourth, twenty twenty three.

722
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: So last month, this is a common yes, last month, right?

723
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I feel you. I lost five hundred thousand and in

724
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: massive debts, now chasing a twenty K loss. Two years ago,

725
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: had lost three hundred thousand now eight hundred thousand dollars

726
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: in debt, no hope, depressed wife left me, taking my kid.

727
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Do I pray or stop believing? What do I do?

728
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: First of all, you've had two years at this point, right,

729
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: Like I can only have so much empathy and sympathy

730
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: for this individual where eventually it becomes like, come on,

731
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: you know the solutions are right in front of you.

732
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: There are ways people have gotten out of this before

733
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: it's possible. Where's the accountability? That's that's the issue.

734
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: I think this is very comparable to like someone addicted

735
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: to like meth or heroin or any kind of Like, yes,

736
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: it had a major addiction. So like what would we

737
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: say to those people too, Would the advice be the same,

738
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: like you've you know, for you at every turn been

739
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of making the wrong decisions.

740
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: No, my advice would be just I mean, ultimately, this

741
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: individual is dealing with a problem, a mental health problem.

742
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: This is an addiction at its finest, So you know,

743
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: at some level, empathy and support is really all you

744
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: can give. But if they don't do anything with any

745
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: advice or any support you give them, There's only so

746
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: much we can do.

747
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: You can't lay your own life to be destroyed when

748
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: they kind of and it's almost destroying your family and

749
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: your your wife.

750
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Can only do so much. Like I was in I

751
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco a couple of weeks ago doing

752
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: like interviewing people that were helping with the homelessness epidemic

753
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: sure in San Francisco, and you see these people that

754
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: like are injecting on the streets, And I was talking

755
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: to some of these people, and I was talking to

756
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: some of the people that were on the streets for

757
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: eighteen years and got off. And he's like this guy Dell,

758
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: who was literally on the streets for eighteen years and

759
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: then now it's like pillar of the community. He was

760
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: like a pimp, and he was like hustling drugs, and

761
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: then now he's like a church going man and helps

762
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: every homeless person he sees. He was like, no one

763
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: could have told me to get off the street. No

764
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: one could have told me to stop sleeping on the

765
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: side of the road. No one could have told me

766
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: to stop using. I had to wake up one day

767
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: and decide this was enough. Yep. And ultimately, like the

768
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: hardest doors to open or the doors that are closed

769
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: from the inside, and no one can really help you

770
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: get out of that unless unless it's you. So it's like, yes,

771
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: like the wife can have empathy, his family could have empathy,

772
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: but at just like at a certain point, like he's

773
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: the only one that can open that.

774
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: Door, and she doesn't deserve to have her life destroyed.

775
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: I hope and pray it wasn't explicitly clear, I can guess,

776
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: but I hope and pray that she is not like

777
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: legally part.

778
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: Of that, right, hope, hope. I think there might be

779
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like if you get divorced, like

780
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: that's a negotiation.

781
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you go into the court and you're like, listen,

782
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: here's all the receipts, my husband did all of this,

783
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: and then the court. I'm sure the court can be

784
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: like all, if not the majority of it, it's on

785
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: op because yeah, which is also something that like, oh,

786
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: he should leally do himself.

787
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because it's like I did this, but he

788
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of has to. He would have to agree to that.

789
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: True, which like if he truly feels like he says

790
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: and describes, he should do that.

791
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that would be retribution. Yeah.

792
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 2: Again, it comes back to the point of there's only

793
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: so much that we, his wife, his kids, his family

794
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 2: can do. The onus is on him to make the move. Yeah,

795
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: and there's he's stuck. There's nowhere else you can go.

796
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: He has to basically admit failure and rebuild his life,

797
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: and it seems like he's aware of it, but he's

798
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: not really doing much yeah, to alleviate it.

799
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: There's a difference between self awareness and action, you know,

800
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: and you can be self aware and take no action,

801
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and I think that is where it seems like he's

802
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: being caught. But again, like gambling, gambling, it's not an

803
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: easy addiction to get rid of. Not at all, Yeah,

804
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: not at all. But you know what else isn't easy

805
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: to get rid of? What? What the desperate question in

806
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: my mind of what is Carrie's story? Time here we go.

807
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's not. It's not as haunting as

808
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: this story, but as an op it is a story,

809
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: and it is of how I lost twenty five hundred

810
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: when I was scammed playing video games?

811
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: Why does that feel like nothing?

812
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: Now? I was like, like, after hearing this entire story,

813
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, man, like I do relate. I've been there,

814
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: but that's.

815
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Not what is the story? What happened?

816
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: So? I love video games and for the longest time

817
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: I was an avid skin collector for a game called

818
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: counter Strike.

819
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: It's a little's like a Hannibal elector thing.

820
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: I would purchase skins because they looked cool and I

821
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: thought they were super cute and it was a great

822
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: way to flex in games, right, And I accrued about

823
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars worth of skins at Wow, just

824
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: collecting just like buying them, trading them, engaging conversations to

825
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: sell them. And there's if you look it up, guys,

826
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: there is an actual market. This is an actual industry

827
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: where people make a lot of money off of off

828
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: of selling skins. And one day I quit the game,

829
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: kind of like an addiction. I had an addiction to

830
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: counter strike in video games, and I wanted to I

831
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: wanted to quit. So I made the effort to sell

832
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: my skins. I went on Twitter, I went on read it.

833
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, guys, like looking to sell my

834
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: skins and Carrie Bell for a skill.

835
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: What was it? What was the setup?

836
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: It was just a random person that reached out to me.

837
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: Looked pretty legit. I looked him up on Steam, I

838
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: looked him on him, look him, looked him up on

839
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: buff which is where you calculate all these prices and

840
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: see how legitimate these these skins are. And so he

841
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: seemed pretty legit, and I thought I was pretty smart

842
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: enough to not deal with scammers. But basically he reached

843
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: out and he was like, hey, I'm going to send

844
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: the money. I would like you to wait a couple

845
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: of days because it takes a while for the money

846
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: to lay in the system, and I was like, okay, yeah, sure.

847
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean we struck up a really good conversation too,

848
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: which is the worst part because I was like, oh,

849
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: I actually.

850
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Trust a good guy.

851
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: And I waited. I waited weeks. I was like, hey,

852
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: following up, Hey, following up. How's it going. He's like,

853
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: it's coming. I'm just having issues with my bank. I'm

854
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: in Europe, so it's a little difficult. It never came,

855
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: and quite frankly, I don't know. I was really fucking sad.

856
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: I was really upset, but I was over every single

857
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: one of my skins. So twenty five hundred is a lot,

858
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: but like compared to other collectors that have like hundreds

859
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars as well, kind of like similar

860
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: to NFTs. Twenty five hundred was a lot to me

861
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: as a as a college student in high school, like

862
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: getting my first job like meant a lot to me.

863
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: The game meant a lot to me. So when I

864
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: lost that twenty five hundred, I was like, that's really tough.

865
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: That's that really sucked. I'm over it now, Like I've

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Speaker 2: made my piece. I realized, you know, I make at

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Speaker 2: least it wasn't eight hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: You know, at least perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it helps keep me in perspective. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this happened to me before. I can't let it happen again.

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Speaker 1: But now you're never going to fall for another scammer.

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Speaker 2: No more counter strike scamming guys. Don't don't scam it,

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Speaker 2: don't fall for no. But that's my story. I've learned

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Speaker 2: a lot and hopefully you know, kind of relatable to

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Speaker 2: this individual. Gambling is bad. Don't gamble it gambled. That's

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Speaker 2: the other thing. I did, dabble in a little bit

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Speaker 2: of gambling with a bit of those skins too, because

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a gambling, it's.

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Speaker 1: A it's like it's like a chest thing or you

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Speaker 1: open up like a open.

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Speaker 2: Up a chest, open up a case, and it's like

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Speaker 2: that little dopaminia. Yeah, so I get it. But no, not.

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Speaker 1: Good from one gambler to another gambler.

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Speaker 2: Stop stop, stop telling you stop.

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Speaker 1: But John, I don't want to stop, neither do I.

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Speaker 1: I'm a addicted to reading this next story. We'll let

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Speaker 1: me give you your next Oh god,