Speaker 1: Hey, Christy, Hi Will, how are you. I'm fine. I
Speaker 1: am really excited for today's episode, aren't you. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited you are You're crying excited right now. You want
Speaker 1: to know why I guess who's on our show? Well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to guess, because you were there. I
Speaker 1: was there. You want to let the audience know who's
Speaker 1: on our show? It's Phil Lamar, Yes, the Phil Lamar,
Speaker 1: the man who has done every cartoon ever in the
Speaker 1: history of voiceover, as well as some of the coolest
Speaker 1: movies and television shows and everything you have seen you've
Speaker 1: heard him. He's been on everything pulp fiction, Samurai Jack, Futurama.
Speaker 1: This guy is just so epic legend. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So we are here with Phil Lamar. I can't even
Speaker 1: believe that we're talking with you. Phil. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a big win. There's a big win for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's so sweet. Um was reading your resume,
Speaker 1: as I tend to do when we have guests on.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, let's see. It's like I've worked
Speaker 1: with you on a bunch of things, but let's see
Speaker 1: how many things he's actually done from beginning to end
Speaker 1: and my computer, rant think as I was trying to
Speaker 1: print it out. So, I, I mean, you've done so
Speaker 1: many voices, we can obviously hop into that. But you
Speaker 1: started on camera, right, Well, yes, and no it's weird
Speaker 1: because okay, we like weird. Act first, you know, started
Speaker 1: pursuing my career. I went down the traditional actor route
Speaker 1: and started out doing theater and on camera and television
Speaker 1: and movies, and then after you know, establishing a little
Speaker 1: bit of a career, I then decided I'm going to
Speaker 1: pursue voice acting. But the truth of the matter is
Speaker 1: my very first professional job, the job that got me
Speaker 1: my union card, was a cartoon my junior Yeeling high school. Wow,
Speaker 1: in high school, you booked your first cartoon with the union,
Speaker 1: a union thing known less. Yeah, okay, which cartoon? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Which one was it? This was the Mr T cartoon? No, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: I remember that back in three I think we started.
Speaker 1: I was never mind, but I feel like I've seen
Speaker 1: that Mr. T cartoon And this is the way he said,
Speaker 1: I pity, I pity the fool, like nineteen times right,
Speaker 1: it was I pity the fool. Yeah, that was his catchphrase.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was a cat. I mean basically the
Speaker 1: cartoon existed only because somebody at NBC said, well, we
Speaker 1: got action figures and cereal, what money did we leave
Speaker 1: on the table? Yep, I remember them, Mr t How
Speaker 1: long did it run for? How? And how did you
Speaker 1: get that job? Being so young? Um, let's say, I
Speaker 1: think we did three seasons. Yeah, three seasons. And a
Speaker 1: friend of my mother's was an executive at NBC. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because she was the highest ranking black woman
Speaker 1: in television history. She was the head of children Phillis
Speaker 1: Phyllis Tucker Vincent. She was the head of children's programming
Speaker 1: at NBC. Wow. And I think my mother had probably
Speaker 1: dragged her to a couple of my plays, you know,
Speaker 1: in high school. And then when they had this cartoon
Speaker 1: where they were going to use actual kids for the
Speaker 1: kids voices, which back in the eighties was very unheard of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, she said, oh, why don't you come in
Speaker 1: audition for this? And like, okay, And you booked your
Speaker 1: first thing right out the gate like you always do
Speaker 1: in the business, which is the easiest business when you're
Speaker 1: friends with the head of the network. But still, I mean,
Speaker 1: right out the gate. You're working. Now, did you get
Speaker 1: to record with with Mr T. Oh, actually no, and
Speaker 1: for for three season and I never to this day,
Speaker 1: I've still never met Mr T. Yeah, the first season,
Speaker 1: he's the first season said sorry, kids, um, Mr Ts
Speaker 1: a little nervous about his reading skills. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do it in front of the kids. And then
Speaker 1: the second season they said, he's so busy, we have
Speaker 1: the time, we have to go to Chicago to record him.
Speaker 1: We just can't get him in here. And by third season,
Speaker 1: nobody was asking anymore. It was it didn't even bother
Speaker 1: to ask. I cannot believe that you never even got
Speaker 1: a chance to meet him. Now have you since worked
Speaker 1: with any of the cast or is it are you
Speaker 1: the only one from the Mr T Show that has
Speaker 1: kind of gone on to a career. Well, actually, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because one of the girls who played, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the leads, Amy Linker, actually she was the
Speaker 1: star that she was one of the stars of Square Pegs,
Speaker 1: the show that's um, Sarah Jessica Parker started out on
Speaker 1: yeah and uh and like Amy was the name, the
Speaker 1: rest of us were just like standing there. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I've still to this day not cross paths with anybody
Speaker 1: else from that show, and that might have had something
Speaker 1: to do with the quality of the show. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: eighties cartoons. You go back and you watch kind of
Speaker 1: the G. I. Joe's The Mask, you know, the Mr.
Speaker 1: T Show. They were pumping them out as fast as possible. Um.
Speaker 1: We were actually talked about that at one time, where
Speaker 1: it's like the Mask Show. You would watch certain episodes
Speaker 1: and the wrong voice would come out of the character
Speaker 1: and they just went, that's fine, Like the mouth flaps
Speaker 1: would move it all they got run, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It was they were just pumping them out and well,
Speaker 1: and the people who made the cartoons back then, I
Speaker 1: didn't care about cartoons. Nope, the cartoons were lost leaders
Speaker 1: to sell the toys. Absolutely. It was was Deak and
Speaker 1: all these companies that were just pumping them out as
Speaker 1: fast as is humanly possible. I remember our director would
Speaker 1: tell us kids, remember in every line up, that gives
Speaker 1: it energy. It's like acting I'm sorry you dog died. No, no,
Speaker 1: ended up, I'm sorry your dog died. There you go.
Speaker 1: They would They just built these companies for these cartoons.
Speaker 1: I think the one that the G. I. Joe was
Speaker 1: literally just called F H G. And that was just
Speaker 1: Family Home entertained. It was like it was basically a
Speaker 1: shell corporation where they're sending the money somewhere, but you'd
Speaker 1: see it was ah, but of course behind the American
Speaker 1: flag h Family Home Entertainment. I know. And it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so hard for people nowadays to really get their
Speaker 1: heads around the mentality back then. It's like, because nowadays
Speaker 1: people I grew up watching cartoons, I love it. Animation
Speaker 1: is art. It's like, no, this is just something we're
Speaker 1: trying to use to, you know, get some MATEL money exactly.
Speaker 1: But then that's it's interesting because that then brings you
Speaker 1: into another world where you were in. We'll jump into
Speaker 1: that a little later. But because Batman the animated series
Speaker 1: came out, which kind of then changed everything nine, which
Speaker 1: then gets into Batman Beyond, then gets into a little
Speaker 1: show called Justice League Unlimited. So we'll get into that
Speaker 1: in a second. Because there is a very specific memory
Speaker 1: I have of Justice League Unlimited. It was standing near
Speaker 1: you and it made me realize how terrible an actor
Speaker 1: I actually was. But we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: Another connection we have and I want to talk about
Speaker 1: very briefly is Connecticut because you went to ye so
Speaker 1: Christie and I are both from Yeah, you've been a
Speaker 1: Toads place. Toads basic, Christie, I know, right, I know totally.
Speaker 1: And by the way, also, all the best some people.
Speaker 1: If you're in the world, you know this. If you're not,
Speaker 1: you don't. The best pizza in the country is in
Speaker 1: New had in Connecticut. Yea, so pep Pepe's and everything
Speaker 1: else over there. So you you you're studying it, Yale.
Speaker 1: You you started, they're one of the biggest sketch comedy groups.
Speaker 1: You started, helped to start Purple Crayon. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean I was just part of the initial group. It
Speaker 1: was my friend Eric Berg, who was from Chicago. He
Speaker 1: spent a summer doing Second City and improv Olympic and
Speaker 1: then he came back in a bunch of us who
Speaker 1: had done plays with him and saying, hey, guys, you
Speaker 1: want to start an improv group. We're like, what's that? Wow?
Speaker 1: And yeah it's funny because we had no idea what
Speaker 1: we're doing. We were doing something called the Herald, this
Speaker 1: long form improv thing which we had never seen anybody do.
Speaker 1: He just described it to us like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: try it and that group still exists, like d five
Speaker 1: years later, Now do you ever go back? Do you
Speaker 1: ever go back and like, are either watch them or
Speaker 1: join them or any of that kind of stuff anymore?
Speaker 1: Actually there was was it the twenty five anniversary? We
Speaker 1: I got to go back and and see the group,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was really wild. Although when you get
Speaker 1: to be this age, there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: that are very old. Hey man, we're starting to feel
Speaker 1: that that's it does. But it's also really great because
Speaker 1: you have that legacy and and improv. Really, I think
Speaker 1: it really did help the voiceover arts over time, and
Speaker 1: I saw Will and even myself, like I grew up
Speaker 1: in the theater, but improv was not big for me
Speaker 1: because it was more about hitting my marks as like
Speaker 1: a little kid, so improv was discouraged. I had to be,
Speaker 1: you know, off book but saying the right lines and
Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. So improv for me, I
Speaker 1: was a late starter for that. But I remember distinctly
Speaker 1: watching the way that Will would sort of really find
Speaker 1: the nuances in his character and compossible and it was
Speaker 1: very inspiring. I always give him props because why not,
Speaker 1: you know, I like the guy I was just watching
Speaker 1: DiMaggio and going, I want to do that, and he
Speaker 1: had a lot more. He probably had a lot more
Speaker 1: exposure to that, But for me, improv was was rare.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to hear you talk about improv. I'm
Speaker 1: curious how much improv has helped you find your voice
Speaker 1: as a voice actor. Well, it's it's helped a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, although obviously there were pe Bowl voice acting,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't think Mel Blank ever,
Speaker 1: did you know improv or freeze tag um, So it's
Speaker 1: not needed, but it definitely helps. I mean, over the years,
Speaker 1: I've seen there are certain people who are able to
Speaker 1: move into voiceover more easily. Singers Christie, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just the fact that you're able, you're used to, you know,
Speaker 1: being conscious of how you sound. That helps. And improv
Speaker 1: helps with voice over because it's about making choices right away.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the problems that a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, on camera stage actors have transitioning into
Speaker 1: voiceover is I'm used to spending two weeks of rehearsal,
Speaker 1: learning my blocking, memorizing my lines, internalizing everything, and then
Speaker 1: having it have a feeling yeah, as opposed to here
Speaker 1: are some words on a page. Give those a feeling,
Speaker 1: now go it is it's instead yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have my my pathology, my back. I remember constantly turning
Speaker 1: off Mike to talk to the actor next to me,
Speaker 1: because you're because you're on camera, you're acting with the
Speaker 1: idea that you're not talking to somebody, not looking at
Speaker 1: in the eyes. So I'm sitting next to somebody doing
Speaker 1: my first v O and I keep hearing Andrea going
Speaker 1: into the microphone. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: act with the person next to me. So that was
Speaker 1: another big thing, but so so moving forward then, because
Speaker 1: your improv skills lead you into a tiny little show
Speaker 1: called mad TV, which was huge at the time it
Speaker 1: came out. I mean nothing, nothing, well, but let's put
Speaker 1: it this way, huge in that only a couple of
Speaker 1: shows came out that ever had the chance of even
Speaker 1: rivaling SNL because SNL was like sketch comedy and that's
Speaker 1: all that did it. And then Living Color and Mad
Speaker 1: TV gave it a run for its money. It really
Speaker 1: a different voice. Well, eventually mad TV established. Although it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because I mean, for me, I started doing improv,
Speaker 1: you know, in college with these amazing people. It's funny
Speaker 1: because most of the people in my group didn't go
Speaker 1: on into show business, like one you know, was presenting
Speaker 1: cases to the Supreme Court, you know, you know, just
Speaker 1: I mean, they were all just brilliant, brilliant people. And
Speaker 1: then and then there was right then I just went
Speaker 1: and I and so when I graduated and came home
Speaker 1: to l A, I started taking classes at the Groundlings
Speaker 1: just because I missed doing improv. I didn't even it
Speaker 1: wasn't even a career move back in the nineties. And
Speaker 1: but then I started writing sketches and that prepared me
Speaker 1: for Mad TV and so you know that whole sketch comedy,
Speaker 1: you know, multiple characters and you know, and actually on
Speaker 1: Mad TV, we were doing animated claymation stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: where I really got my Mike time, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. I'm pretty good at this because obviously
Speaker 1: did not prove that it's the Mr T. Didn't even
Speaker 1: prove it to Mr T. But that's great. So then yeah,
Speaker 1: you can, I guess kind of credit improv with really
Speaker 1: bringing you into the voiceover world. That's very cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I think we if if memory serves. Uh,
Speaker 1: fellow Kim Possible cast member Nicole Sullivan was also on
Speaker 1: Mad TV, So there's another connection. Who who of course
Speaker 1: played she Go And Uh, that's who I got to.
Speaker 1: You know, I only recorded with We always talked about
Speaker 1: Kim Possible because you had said to us, I think
Speaker 1: kind of before we started the interview, like I did.
Speaker 1: I did it in an episode of Kim Possible. And
Speaker 1: we never worked together because we never worked with anybody sea.
Speaker 1: So we we had Lisa Shaffer who was Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that we had Lisa Schaefer, who was our
Speaker 1: director on and she's listing all of the actors that
Speaker 1: were on Kim Possible and it is the most amazing
Speaker 1: list in the world. And there's Christie and I like
Speaker 1: with our heads in our hands, like how do we
Speaker 1: not get to work with any Ricardo Montalbond, Jean Smart,
Speaker 1: I mean, just one after another, and it was just like,
Speaker 1: how do we not get a chance to work with
Speaker 1: any of these people? Um, so yeah, well no, it's
Speaker 1: because they just everybody was so busy. Apparently we were
Speaker 1: like I was recording every week with John and with Nicole.
Speaker 1: So I would have loved to have had them there,
Speaker 1: Christie was getting educated in New York. I would say, though,
Speaker 1: that when I found really endearing about that process, at least,
Speaker 1: was any time I would be in studio, Lisa would
Speaker 1: anchor the fact that, Hey, you know who we have
Speaker 1: playing such and such? Do you know who we have
Speaker 1: playing such and such? And she was so excited about
Speaker 1: the choices in the casting that it got me excited
Speaker 1: because even though I was new to understanding where what
Speaker 1: people would be doing with that, I eventually understand like, Wow, um,
Speaker 1: Dakota Fanning is playing baby Kim Possible in the movie.
Speaker 1: That's going to be amazing, But not she's going to
Speaker 1: be what's up? Debbie Reynolds was was I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like name after where she's just mentioning these people and
Speaker 1: we're going, wait, what Like That's how I think we
Speaker 1: all knew the show was great when we had people
Speaker 1: like yourself and and we would hear just the name
Speaker 1: after name, we would be like, I think this show
Speaker 1: is doing well for Disney. I don't know why they
Speaker 1: don't bring it back. Well, that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: So then I started so then getting into back to
Speaker 1: the v O world, we talked about how cartoons were
Speaker 1: very much one thing. Um, I call it p B
Speaker 1: pre Batman, p B A pre Batman the animated herea
Speaker 1: where we're very much like you said. They were cheaply
Speaker 1: put together commercials for the toys you were buying. And
Speaker 1: don't we all loved them. We have a special place
Speaker 1: in your heart. But watching the original ThunderCats at eight
Speaker 1: and watching it at twenty eight was two very different experiences.
Speaker 1: So it holds up in your heart, not so much
Speaker 1: with any other sense. Um, so you Batman the Animated
Speaker 1: series comes out, It then spins off to Batman Beyond,
Speaker 1: and the last episode ever of Batman Beyond was an
Speaker 1: episode called The Call. And the reason why the Call
Speaker 1: was so important. It was a two part episode where
Speaker 1: uh my, my character Terry joins the Justice League and
Speaker 1: it's Justice League of the Future. And it was years
Speaker 1: later that Bruce Tim told the story where he said, essentially,
Speaker 1: the only reason we did that is because we knew
Speaker 1: we were doing Justice League and we wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure we could hold that many stories, that many characters
Speaker 1: in one episode. So all of a sudden outcomes and
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of all this stuff. Christie knows
Speaker 1: I like their nerd out on this stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it to outcomes Justice League, which is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest superhero animated series ever with arguably one of
Speaker 1: the best ensemble casts ever put together. So directed by
Speaker 1: Andrea Romano and you know, amazing. And then we have
Speaker 1: Phil Lamar as John Stewart Green Lantern. Now, they could
Speaker 1: have gone any Green Lantern they wanted to go by
Speaker 1: this point. It could have been because I played Kyle
Speaker 1: Rayner on that show, so it could have been Kyle.
Speaker 1: It could have been anybody, and they said, no, we
Speaker 1: want John Stewart. And incomes Phil. Can you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about maybe the first time you heard about
Speaker 1: the project and if you knew who you were reading for,
Speaker 1: did they keep it a secret? I mean, do you
Speaker 1: remember being cast in the show? Yes, I remember auditioning
Speaker 1: over at Salami Studios and and we knew what it
Speaker 1: was this because this was back in the days when
Speaker 1: show business didn't treat itself like the Pentagon, right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I remember that week well because there was no N
Speaker 1: D A S. Because there was no internet, you know,
Speaker 1: or camera phones. So you know, what are you gonna do? Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk out with my script pages and yellow
Speaker 1: the street day. Look, it's a justice plague. I'm going
Speaker 1: to write a letter to the newspaper and let them
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. Right, Nobody cared. Nobody cares. So
Speaker 1: I remember being in there, and I'm an old school
Speaker 1: comic book head, so i was excited. And we've been
Speaker 1: working on Static Shock already, so I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in this world. But there was no no direct
Speaker 1: connection because it was not Batman the animated series, it
Speaker 1: was not Batman Beyond. I'm like, oh my god, now
Speaker 1: I'm now I've moved up to the top floor. Let's
Speaker 1: get let's get this. And the hilarious thing was the
Speaker 1: person who went in to read for Jon Stewart ahead
Speaker 1: of me was an actor named Dennis Haysbert. Of course
Speaker 1: you know Dennis, you know, of course. Now he's the
Speaker 1: he's the guy on those All State commercials. You're in
Speaker 1: good hands. Yeah, And Dennis basically looks like Bruce's drawing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like six four and he's buffing like
Speaker 1: the square John. I'm like, he's the guy put on
Speaker 1: a green suit. He They would have hired him right
Speaker 1: now for the live action. Yeah, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. And also the way Bruce draws. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got the very gigantic chests. Yep, the triangle people, right,
Speaker 1: they kind they come out, come out like this and
Speaker 1: come in. Yeah. Well I couldn't imagine having anything except this,
Speaker 1: like a voice like Dennis's. You this big yo man
Speaker 1: resonating chamber voice. So I'm like, well, I'm just I
Speaker 1: couldn't get Dennis's voice out of my head. So I
Speaker 1: went into audition. I'm John Stewart Green Lantern of Sector
Speaker 1: two eight one four, you know, And they started talking
Speaker 1: about the character. Yeah, he's a marine from Detroit, and like,
Speaker 1: all right, well let me my dad's from Detroit. Let
Speaker 1: me add a little texture that my dad had his voice. No,
Speaker 1: listen to me flash, you know. And it turned out
Speaker 1: they out there nerding out again, nerding out again, so
Speaker 1: we could go back to static shock. But here's what
Speaker 1: I what I wanted to do. Here's here's when I
Speaker 1: knew I was a bad actor. This is the story
Speaker 1: I was telling. So that we did an episode of
Speaker 1: Justice League, I think it was jail. He was Justice
Speaker 1: League Unlimited called Once in Future Things where we go
Speaker 1: into the future and Batman Beyond is there and gets
Speaker 1: to meet kind of it's so the story is Jon
Speaker 1: Stewart and Batman get trapped in a time bubble and
Speaker 1: they get sent forward. At first they get sent to
Speaker 1: the past, and it's all you get to meet Jonah
Speaker 1: Hex and all these great people from the past, and
Speaker 1: then they get sent to the future and there's there's
Speaker 1: Terry McGinnis and all this other and we're doing a
Speaker 1: scene and the scene is I'm there and Phil is
Speaker 1: now playing Young Static, Old Static and Jon Stewart and
Speaker 1: he has a scene where it's the three of them talking,
Speaker 1: and so for about twenty minutes, you just sat back
Speaker 1: and let Phil play everybody all the parts. Will be
Speaker 1: paying all the parts, literally, the young kid talking to
Speaker 1: the old guy, who's then answering John who's talking to
Speaker 1: the two And I remember just sitting there just kind
Speaker 1: of going, I'm not good at this. There are people
Speaker 1: that are on such a different level. And that was
Speaker 1: one of those moments where you do where it's like
Speaker 1: I remember Andrea saying to you at for Andrea Romano,
Speaker 1: the director saying to you, at first, do you want
Speaker 1: to take them one at a time, and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: let's just run through them, and and that was it.
Speaker 1: You did. It was like a page and a half
Speaker 1: a dialogue of three different characters, three different ages from
Speaker 1: three It was the the most crazy thing. And I did.
Speaker 1: I just it's a bit of gushing, but I remember
Speaker 1: just sitting there, just having these two moments of I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be here and I'm gonna go quit
Speaker 1: this job and go do something I'm better at because
Speaker 1: I'm not. I can't do this. Do you remember that recording?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? And it's funny because that was
Speaker 1: the mark, the high water mark for me because I
Speaker 1: started working on Futurama and in the first episode, Billy West,
Speaker 1: who played three different characters, there's a scene where his
Speaker 1: character the Professor, introduces his character Fry to his character Zoidberg.
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in there and had the exact
Speaker 1: same you know, like watching him like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean right, like I was like that. No. No, Basically,
Speaker 1: it's like if you're a little leaguer and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're sitting in the stands at the All
Speaker 1: Star game. That's how it's done. Yeah, And I remember
Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, that's gonna be my my bar someday, someday,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work. Because there were episodes when we did
Speaker 1: on Static Shock where I had to play Static Shock
Speaker 1: and Green Lantern and I didn't record them together. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: because you know, the static voice is a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old boy and John Stewart is my deep register, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I don't want to static to like
Speaker 1: static dude, get up to here, right, No, Andreia, Let's
Speaker 1: just do them separately. But by the time we got
Speaker 1: to jail you, I mean you you know this experience
Speaker 1: when you sit in a room with Kevin Conroy for
Speaker 1: a few years, Uh yeah, you get good. Yeah you
Speaker 1: have to you don't you don't have a choice, you
Speaker 1: don't have a choice, or else you just or else
Speaker 1: how bad you are really shines through when you're sitting
Speaker 1: in between Conroy and Mark Hamill for two weeks like
Speaker 1: I was, I was like, I don't have a choice.
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. I canna ask you guys.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of the people that listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast are just so enthusiastic about voice acting,
Speaker 1: and some of them even want to be voice actors.
Speaker 1: That and myself too included in terms of just improving
Speaker 1: on the craft and understanding those leaps and bounds that
Speaker 1: you guys have both kind of our vocal rising. Not
Speaker 1: to make a pun, but just like how you get better.
Speaker 1: Is it really just like fear and shame of of
Speaker 1: of impos syndrome or is it just that you're looking
Speaker 1: at those people and you're like, Wow, I am so
Speaker 1: passionate about the art of this, the art form of this.
Speaker 1: It's not just selling toys. It's not just getting my
Speaker 1: Union card. This is about the art form of vocalizing
Speaker 1: or the vocalization of it. So yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: how does it? How what's the journey there? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's similar to any form of acting,
Speaker 1: any form of our actually, any skill set. You get
Speaker 1: better by seeing people better than you, you know, playing
Speaker 1: against them, playing you know, like in sports you're playing
Speaker 1: against people that makes you better, but in acting you're
Speaker 1: playing with people. I mean, I remember being on set
Speaker 1: during pulp fiction and watching Samuel L. Jackson just play
Speaker 1: a character in a room and I'm just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Five minutes ago, i was talking to a
Speaker 1: guy He's not here anymore. There's somebody else in his
Speaker 1: body now, and so that sets the bar mentally. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing in music, like when
Speaker 1: you you start out, you maybe have some talent. You know,
Speaker 1: you're pretty good, but then you see somebody so much
Speaker 1: better than you're like I can get there, m and
Speaker 1: then you just you know, you learn yourself and then
Speaker 1: you learn the craft and you just keep moving up.
Speaker 1: You know. I think since you mentioned it, and since
Speaker 1: you're sitting in front of a poster of it, I
Speaker 1: think we have to talk a little bit about pulp fiction.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, yes, yes, I'm thirty eight, I
Speaker 1: am grown phil. I know. I know we're v O
Speaker 1: and we want to stay v O and VO is
Speaker 1: the greatest thing in the world. But I mean, it's
Speaker 1: arguably one of the greatest films ever made. UM. So
Speaker 1: you know, what is your experience like working with now
Speaker 1: did you know Tarantino? Do you know the crew beforehand?
Speaker 1: Or um? Was this a straight up audition like anything
Speaker 1: else and you just hit gold? No? Actually, weirdly back
Speaker 1: to improv, Quentin Tarantino was friends with Julius Sweeney and
Speaker 1: she invited him to come do a groundling show. And
Speaker 1: so the first time I met Quentin, we did an
Speaker 1: improv comedy show together on stage. He was actually really funny.
Speaker 1: And then when he was casting the movie, he brought
Speaker 1: me into audition. So thank you, Julia. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is that I believe there is to some degree a
Speaker 1: correlation because it's funny because people will say, oh, you've
Speaker 1: done you know, stage and film and voice over, which
Speaker 1: is your favorite? Yeah? And I can say, honestly, my
Speaker 1: favorite is not any one genre. My favorite is the
Speaker 1: stuff that's really well written. Because to me, pulp fiction
Speaker 1: has more in common with Justice League then it has
Speaker 1: with many of the other films I was saying, right,
Speaker 1: just because of the quality, just because of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like when you get a great script and a
Speaker 1: fantastic character to play, it elevates you. It makes you
Speaker 1: a better actor. And when I read the script for
Speaker 1: pulp fiction, I was like, WHOA, Like you nuverize it
Speaker 1: almost instantly just because it it flows, It clicks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when you work on a great animated show, it
Speaker 1: feeds you, you know, impulses, like you're able to make
Speaker 1: choices that you wouldn't like. That's the thing. Great material
Speaker 1: makes great performances regardless of the medium. That's honestly true.
Speaker 1: Fantastic answer. We get this question all the time at
Speaker 1: comic cons with people. But you know, Will and Christie,
Speaker 1: you guys have done so many things which your favorite
Speaker 1: and to Will's credit, he's always said it's about good story. Um,
Speaker 1: and I agree, like we've been so blessed to be
Speaker 1: a part of like with bat Man or Kim possible,
Speaker 1: great quality stuff that I feel like stands the test
Speaker 1: of time, and there's that legacy. That's a wonderful, wonderful
Speaker 1: answer that I had never thought about before. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: this this being the case right as you want to
Speaker 1: work as much as possible, So then how do you
Speaker 1: will yourself to find value in things that don't necessarily
Speaker 1: click right away? Now you're just giving me a masterclass
Speaker 1: and booking, so just tell me we're giving Phil's giving
Speaker 1: everyone a master class. Why we're here on I hear voices. Well,
Speaker 1: that's funny because I don't know about you guys, but
Speaker 1: do do you find that it's easier to do the
Speaker 1: weaker material in voice over than it is on camera?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because you don't have
Speaker 1: to put your face on it. Yeah, I think, But
Speaker 1: I also think there's a when you're doing kind of
Speaker 1: it's it's such a small it's it's changing now, and
Speaker 1: thankfully it's changing now because it needs to open up.
Speaker 1: But it was such a small community of voice silver
Speaker 1: actors that even when you're doing something that isn't great,
Speaker 1: you're usually surrounded by people you know, love and respect.
Speaker 1: So there's five or six of you in the room
Speaker 1: that no, it isn't great, and it's more about entertaining
Speaker 1: each other. So that becomes kind of a thing like
Speaker 1: you finished doing something, and you know you finished something
Speaker 1: that you know isn't going to be great, but you
Speaker 1: walk out going like, man, Dietrich Beder and I had fun,
Speaker 1: or or Jeff Bennett and I had fun, or man,
Speaker 1: Tara Strong was great today and we're never gonna do
Speaker 1: this again because it ain't ever going to be a show.
Speaker 1: But man, did they have me laughing. So there's something
Speaker 1: too that side of the community where it was you're
Speaker 1: just you know, when you're on camera, you never know
Speaker 1: who you're gonna be with. So it's more like, oh, now,
Speaker 1: not only is the material not great, but you can
Speaker 1: tell my heart's not in it, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it my best, because you know, your best performance is
Speaker 1: always the one you're in. But uh, it's very strange. Yeah, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike Can, I have the strangest connection to pulp fiction
Speaker 1: and that I know and have worked with two people
Speaker 1: that have played our arguably some of the smallest roles,
Speaker 1: but most two of the most famous roles in the film.
Speaker 1: You and Steve Hibbert, who was the Gift. So Steve
Speaker 1: Hibbert was actually a producer and writer on Boy Meats World.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's the two smaller roles, but two
Speaker 1: roles that when you think of pulp fiction, right, you're
Speaker 1: two of the people that instantly pop into your head.
Speaker 1: So it's I always say that I have this weird
Speaker 1: connection to two of the coolest characters in all of
Speaker 1: pulp fiction. You know, Steve was one of my teachers
Speaker 1: at the Growlings when I first started. Was he really
Speaker 1: He's a great, absolutely great guy. Um, and I gotta
Speaker 1: call him. Yeah, Hey, you know you guys mentioned mentioned
Speaker 1: something really interesting about how Justice League and like Batman
Speaker 1: beyond and it's it's interesting because before there was fan
Speaker 1: fiction and maybe Phil you can speak to this being
Speaker 1: sort of a comic book O G H. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that within the comic book structure there was a
Speaker 1: lot of overlap up, But did Batman beyond and that
Speaker 1: world that y'all created and that those people were creating,
Speaker 1: was it sort of the gateway to the fan fiction
Speaker 1: world in a way to like pair this person with
Speaker 1: that person that you wouldn't necessarily see animated together. Oh interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Internet was really the
Speaker 1: thing that really made fan fiction explode. But original comic
Speaker 1: book nerds like Philip check me if I'm wrong. But
Speaker 1: you're You've got like hundreds and thousands of comic book
Speaker 1: Like you're like a big comic book collector, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit comic book reader, so I have a
Speaker 1: lot of them, but I only keep the good ones.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, so you're not a comic book horder, horder.
Speaker 1: You're not going to see you on A and E
Speaker 1: where we've got to go in and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Phil Lamar is actually surrounded by thousands of old Silverhawks
Speaker 1: comics or something exactly. But but I know I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: That's funny because when we go to cons with the
Speaker 1: Justice league folks. Everybody always say yeah, we would come
Speaker 1: in of sessions and if there was like some you know,
Speaker 1: B level comic book character I've never heard of, Phil
Speaker 1: would go hold on and he'd open up his bag.
Speaker 1: He's like, I've got him here. So how many do
Speaker 1: you have? I don't know. I don't count them. I
Speaker 1: just have because you know, it's hard to throw away books.
Speaker 1: But but Christie, that's an interesting question because comic books
Speaker 1: do have a history of crossing things over. Although for
Speaker 1: a while they would just change a story Okay, now
Speaker 1: this is a new green lantern. And because it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of old guys writing things for kids, they
Speaker 1: didn't care. But then later when those kids became it
Speaker 1: was like, well where's the other one? Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: they would create you know, storylines like well he's on
Speaker 1: Earth too, that's where that Yeah, that's like improv though, Phil,
Speaker 1: that's like yes and yeah, you know it's like it's
Speaker 1: because when you think about it, no, really is such
Speaker 1: a block for creative creativity, and um, the yes and
Speaker 1: is what birth's new ideas and imagine the word. So
Speaker 1: essentially what happened was all the kids that Cared grew
Speaker 1: up to be Kathy Bates and misery going. He got
Speaker 1: out of a cockat duty car. So that's pretty much
Speaker 1: what ended up happening. And then the story's got well,
Speaker 1: I mean, there we see it now with Marvel. Everybody's
Speaker 1: doing the multiverse things and this is stuff that they
Speaker 1: did in comic books for forever. And when I was
Speaker 1: trying to get a handle on that, um, I would
Speaker 1: ask people like, Okay, I want to read X Men.
Speaker 1: Where do I start and what we're and they and
Speaker 1: they go, you can't. I can't answer that question. Start
Speaker 1: at one, all right, but which one of the one? Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta go here, And then that's you're talking about
Speaker 1: this kind of version and that kind and it gets
Speaker 1: so confusing that That's one of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: of animation is because I love take you know, somebody
Speaker 1: like Bruce tim and Paul Deny and uh, you know
Speaker 1: Alan Burnett, the way they would take certain stories and
Speaker 1: take a little bit from this comic book and a
Speaker 1: little bit from this storyline, and a little bit from
Speaker 1: the storyline and create something completely new, right, which was
Speaker 1: you know, the Batman and Superman could be against each
Speaker 1: other but didn't fully hate each other yet and then
Speaker 1: they have to fight, but their tongue in cheek about
Speaker 1: so they could kind of skirt the line of all
Speaker 1: the different versions, which I thought was very very cool. Well,
Speaker 1: do you have difference between you know, honoring continuity and
Speaker 1: fan fiction because fan fix, like, you can't change anything
Speaker 1: that I watched when I was a kid. Everything has
Speaker 1: to be exactly the same. But for Bruce and Allen
Speaker 1: and those guys, know, this is source material, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: the things that make it great and throw out the
Speaker 1: crappy stuff that somebody is stuck in. That's yeah, which
Speaker 1: is brilliant. Now do you Christie you were you were
Speaker 1: talking before about about the difference between we always talked
Speaker 1: about the difference between recording video games and recording animation.
Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of video games film? I
Speaker 1: do a fair amount, not not a super big ton,
Speaker 1: but uh but yeah. It's It's funny because in the beginning,
Speaker 1: when they first started using actors for video games, because
Speaker 1: as we all know, in the very very beginning, there
Speaker 1: wasn't enough bandwidth to have, you know, performances. But then
Speaker 1: as the technology moved up and they had, oh we've
Speaker 1: got all these cinematics. Okay, we can't have the guy
Speaker 1: in rendering do that voice anymore. Exactly, Somebody get fifty
Speaker 1: bucks and find us an actor. Man. And when the
Speaker 1: characters stopped having to run in one direction with a
Speaker 1: background that kept being the same the entire time, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it was no longer contra you were fine. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because coming out of animation half hour, you know,
Speaker 1: cartoons into video games like okay, it's you alone for
Speaker 1: four hours straight and the last hour will be you dying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like fronting and yeah, yeah, they save all the action
Speaker 1: sounds for the last part of your works, like okay,
Speaker 1: now give me computed, short, medium and long always al right.
Speaker 1: So I have a couple of questions that I always
Speaker 1: ask here. One of them is is there a character
Speaker 1: you haven't voiced that you would love to? Oh, that's
Speaker 1: interesting because, like I said, I'm an old school comic
Speaker 1: book guy, and Batman is my totem animal. Batman is
Speaker 1: my hero. But I've heard Kevin Conroy there in lies
Speaker 1: the rub, right, It's like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess being a spear carrier and watching uh Laurence
Speaker 1: Olivier play Hamlet, like yeah, no, I don't want to
Speaker 1: play Hamlet no moment, but don't you think Hamlet? Ever,
Speaker 1: it's true, but don't you think. And here's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Kevin is such an amazing and generous actor.
Speaker 1: He also this is also the joy of being in
Speaker 1: Batman beyond is that I didn't have to play Bruce.
Speaker 1: I was a whole new thing. I could work with Kevin.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to follow in anybody's footsteps. But one
Speaker 1: of the things Kevin always says is he likes how
Speaker 1: different actors bring a different take to Batman. So I mean,
Speaker 1: couldn't you see yourself saying, like, Okay, Kevin's Kevin. He's
Speaker 1: always going to be Kevin. There's no Kevin is. People
Speaker 1: always say, who's your Batman? Is it? You know? Is
Speaker 1: it the Tim Burton Batman's is a Christian Bale. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you're missing Batman. Batman is Kevin Conroy and always will be.
Speaker 1: So he does stand by and I will till the
Speaker 1: day I died. Kevin Conroy is Batman. So if he
Speaker 1: gave you his blessing, which he would, you know, you
Speaker 1: know he would because he'd be like, I want to
Speaker 1: hear your take. I think what would you do? How
Speaker 1: would I how would you approach Bruce Wayne? We'll see this.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things because I mean, as
Speaker 1: an artist like Kevin, you know, everybody plays King Lee,
Speaker 1: everybody does their own version of the character. You know
Speaker 1: that nobody owns it, right. But I've also got the
Speaker 1: fanboy in my head being will We're gonna be kp
Speaker 1: and Roun forever? Damn it? That's okay, So can you
Speaker 1: take can you shut down the fanboy? I've got the
Speaker 1: fanboy thing in my head. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: have the same problem, you know, voicing Batman that I've
Speaker 1: had because a couple of times over my career they've
Speaker 1: recast the Looney Tunes characters and Buds Bunny is like
Speaker 1: what I used to say. I was like, who are
Speaker 1: your favorite actors like Um, Sidney Potier, Tom Hanks, Bugs Bunny? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I love but whenever I would audition, because they
Speaker 1: send you the c D of mail blanks, you know
Speaker 1: reference and you know when I do Budds Bunny, I
Speaker 1: still hear a little bit of my voice in it,
Speaker 1: and I go, Nope, that's not it. Now, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Doc? It's Bugs bunny, you know, And
Speaker 1: I know a couple of bugs bunnies, Eric Bow's Billy
Speaker 1: West and I love your cares because I don't hear
Speaker 1: me in it, that's the thing. So are you one
Speaker 1: of those? So then there was times where people would
Speaker 1: send me, especially for on camera, They would send me
Speaker 1: stuff and in my head, I would look at it
Speaker 1: and I would go, I wouldn't cast me in this.
Speaker 1: So if I wouldn't cast me in this, why would
Speaker 1: I go, Which, of course is the worst thing in
Speaker 1: the world as for an actor you want to get on,
Speaker 1: but it is it's like, you know, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're you know, you're the quarterback jock and
Speaker 1: you've got And I remember thinking like I didn't have
Speaker 1: a date for my problem, so I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: try to audition for quarterback jocks. Like, I'm just not
Speaker 1: going to do that. Oh man, no, will do your best. Brad,
Speaker 1: come on, my best my best Brad was his name
Speaker 1: is Brad. He's a quarterback. Oh there you go, my best. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Brad, and I'm sorry that I'm picking your daughter
Speaker 1: up for a prom. Um that's my best crop. Uh
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I get what you're saying, but isn't
Speaker 1: there is? Now? Here's my question is the desire to
Speaker 1: play Batman? Would that be more compelling than the fanboy
Speaker 1: voice in your head? Not yet? No? Okay, So even
Speaker 1: if you're what if you're offered, You're straight up offered,
Speaker 1: you're the new Batman. You don't even have to audition,
Speaker 1: You're the new Batman. Are you going to turn it down?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? That would be well. No. First I
Speaker 1: would call Kevin. I'm like, did they offer this to you?
Speaker 1: And he go, who? Who is this? Speaking of of Kevin,
Speaker 1: did you get a chance to see him play your
Speaker 1: Bruce in live action? During? It? Was amazing? W crisis?
Speaker 1: It was? It was amazing and he was so nervous.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I love. It's not that he
Speaker 1: walks in and he steps up and he goes, I've
Speaker 1: been playing this part for thirty years. Now I get
Speaker 1: to play it on camera. It's that he looked at
Speaker 1: me at one point and he's like, I'm afraid with
Speaker 1: my stage since I'm just gonna be too big. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think you're gonna be all right. I
Speaker 1: think the fans are gonna be okay with you. Playing
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne live action. But I just look like, after
Speaker 1: playing Batman for so long, he played bat you know,
Speaker 1: the Bruce Wayne from Batman Beyond came and he's and
Speaker 1: he's bad, and the thing he hated was that he
Speaker 1: was bad. He's like, I've gotten the fans they didn't
Speaker 1: like that. How it was. It's so because he cares
Speaker 1: so much about the character. But again, you can't even
Speaker 1: you can't even answer the question without taking Kevin out
Speaker 1: of your head. So Kevin calls you and says, Phil,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play Batman new series. I want
Speaker 1: you to to to pick up and wear the cowl.
Speaker 1: What do you do if? Yes, if it's people that
Speaker 1: I trust, yeah, there you go. Okay. Like if it
Speaker 1: were you know, Bruce or Ellen Burnett and Kevin doing
Speaker 1: like I would, I would take a swing at that, definitely, okay,
Speaker 1: because that because I now have a Batman of course,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the session would go alright, alright, hold on
Speaker 1: a second, Phil, stop doing, Kevin stopped doing. Kevin Conroy, um, hey,
Speaker 1: bail it um, so we could talk Futurama. We could talk.
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Justice League very quickly. Again. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry because we're talking about doing the multiple characters, and
Speaker 1: you just we're reminding me because you also did Steel. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: which you told me in the room was your who was?
Speaker 1: It is Samuel Jackson? Who who was Steel? Somebody? You didn't?
Speaker 1: I put a little Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman, That's what
Speaker 1: was he did. Can we hear a little Steel? A
Speaker 1: little Morgan Freeman. Well, the thing about Steel was he
Speaker 1: was a professor who became a superhero. It's so the
Speaker 1: best you know. Well, And the funny thing was I
Speaker 1: needed him to sound I needed him to sound different
Speaker 1: than John's Stewart. So he was someone who sounded like this.
Speaker 1: But then in that episode you were talking about before,
Speaker 1: when they brought the older Static, I was like, oh, dang,
Speaker 1: do I have an you did though you did? What
Speaker 1: I did was I went, I went back to you know, Virgil,
Speaker 1: the original fourteen year old Static, and then said, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not everybody when they grow up
Speaker 1: gets a big, deep voice. I mean, if if your
Speaker 1: voice is like this when you're fourteen, then you grow
Speaker 1: up and you become you know, an adult, ye whatever,
Speaker 1: And then that man grows up and maybe gets into
Speaker 1: his fifties HiT's the same voice, but just a little
Speaker 1: bit of texture to it. That's awesome. That's awesome. Taking
Speaker 1: note everybody. It amazes me how you just walk through
Speaker 1: the range like that is just absolutely insane to me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, okay, Well, the other question that
Speaker 1: we always ask everybody because it's these are the questions
Speaker 1: that people love to hear the answers too, and some
Speaker 1: A lot of times people are like, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you the name, or I can't get too much into
Speaker 1: this story, but baby daddy, yes, yes, And Brendan comes
Speaker 1: running in from the other room. Wait what m her? Careful?
Speaker 1: Her husband's w um? So is he? It's green exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm a cartoon Marie. Do you have any moment, like
Speaker 1: any sessions in your head, for good or bad, that
Speaker 1: really stand out for you where either you were working
Speaker 1: with somebody that was nuts, you were working with somebody
Speaker 1: that was amazing, somebody you really looked up to. I mean,
Speaker 1: was there ever did you walk out of a session
Speaker 1: going like, damn, that's the story I'm going to tell. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: and you don't need to mention any names, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can, but you don't. And we can also bleep
Speaker 1: if you'd like to, we've we did it in our
Speaker 1: last episode. We did it in our last episode. But no,
Speaker 1: just it's I said before, So Chrissy's husband doesn't does
Speaker 1: doesn't come good sport. He isn't good sport. Actually, actually
Speaker 1: there there's one story that I can use the names
Speaker 1: and it blew my mind in a way. I mean,
Speaker 1: and this is well into my career. During the the
Speaker 1: final season of Samurai Jack, like we have done the
Speaker 1: show on Cartoon Network back in the early two thousand's
Speaker 1: and then fourteen years later we wrapped up the series
Speaker 1: and during over the Bend to talk Samurai Jackiet, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk Samuraiji. I know, I love, I love,
Speaker 1: We'll get anything, but I want to hear the story.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a great show. But over the fourteen
Speaker 1: years that the show wasn't on the air, we lost
Speaker 1: one of our cast members. The original villain, you know,
Speaker 1: playing the voice of the demon wizard Aku was an
Speaker 1: actor named Mako Iwamatsu, who is incredible, like just because
Speaker 1: most of the episodes were just me and him, and
Speaker 1: being in the room with him was like being on
Speaker 1: set with um. Samuel L. Jackson's like masterclass, Like, oh dang, there,
Speaker 1: didn't he just go by Maco like he did a
Speaker 1: whole bunch he was. He was a very much a
Speaker 1: reoccurring person on mash, which is my favorite show of
Speaker 1: all time. He's been on ever, I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: on television. He started in like the fifties, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean a legend. Remember going to a Jerry's Deli,
Speaker 1: sitting down and there's a poster for um Stephen Sondheim's
Speaker 1: Pacific Overtures and Maco's name is over the above the
Speaker 1: title That's crazy, did it? Yeah? You know? And it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because there was there was a session where
Speaker 1: because Michael ahead a very distinctive voice, you know, he
Speaker 1: had this heavy texture in the accent, and like when
Speaker 1: he was talking, you knew it was him. And one
Speaker 1: episode of Samurai Jack they cast him as another character
Speaker 1: and I was like, really goods, you know, and I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: when this is over, they're gonna have need me to
Speaker 1: revoice it because he's got such a distinctive sound. Sure,
Speaker 1: but then we're doing the scene and we get to
Speaker 1: his character and he doesn't alter his voice so much
Speaker 1: as he just plays the character completely differently than he
Speaker 1: plays Aku, Like he plays Aku as this very high
Speaker 1: status character and then he plays this other characters very
Speaker 1: low status. And and then when I watched that episode,
Speaker 1: I can't even tell it's him. Wow. And that session
Speaker 1: is when I learned that in voice acting, it's a
Speaker 1: misnomer because the acting comes before the voice. And he
Speaker 1: showed it to me right then and there. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not about making different funny sounds, it's about bringing
Speaker 1: the character to life. And I'm just like, oh, okay, amazing.
Speaker 1: He was so important in my childhood, not just for
Speaker 1: mash but for the Conan movie. Yes, I mean it
Speaker 1: just it does matter to me so much as a
Speaker 1: kid that it was like every time I see that,
Speaker 1: it's just I was convinced back in the day that
Speaker 1: they hired him as the narrator just to make Arnold's
Speaker 1: accent easier to understand, which there is Conan barbary if
Speaker 1: you stout hearing that, so then when this guy stops talking,
Speaker 1: you can understand me. Right. It was so great that
Speaker 1: just how it just ends and he became king by
Speaker 1: his own hand. But that is another story. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be another one like you just you lost it.
Speaker 1: You was so great and he had that voice. It's
Speaker 1: like a James Hank kind of thing where it's just
Speaker 1: you hear the voice and you're instantly snapped into something
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, that's the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: So that's a cool story. I mean that is being
Speaker 1: able to to sit there and watch a legend like
Speaker 1: that at work is is pretty awesome. Um now, very quickly,
Speaker 1: and then in about about five minutes, we've got uh
Speaker 1: I think it's Jonah, our fan is coming in. Who
Speaker 1: is going to get to play with us? Which is
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. One question I do
Speaker 1: have because Futurama is obviously a juggernaut and one of
Speaker 1: my favorite primetime cartoons ever. I am one of the
Speaker 1: few people that would say this, but I am a
Speaker 1: big Mac Graining fan, and I put Futurama above the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just say, there we go. There's so much.
Speaker 1: I've watched many Simpsons episodes that are phenomenal. The cast
Speaker 1: is incredible, the writing and sane. I can think of
Speaker 1: several Futurama episodes that I can't watch because I will ball.
Speaker 1: Like like every time Luck of the Fry Irish or
Speaker 1: fries Dog, which is the fries Dog episode comes around,
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I can't do it again. I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't do it again. It's this at Christie. Have
Speaker 1: you seen this episode? I feel like I haven't. I've
Speaker 1: cried once or twice with Futurama, but I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't remember these ones. What was one? Yeah? Really, I
Speaker 1: gotta watch them. Five finds his dog has been petrified
Speaker 1: back in the day, and he's carrying around the petrified
Speaker 1: dog and and and Professor Farnsworth essentially says, you know, Fry,
Speaker 1: we can bring it back. At my that's my awesome, professor.
Speaker 1: That's pretty well, it's really not, which is why I've
Speaker 1: never been on. But they're cutting back to the dog
Speaker 1: living his life, and it's from the dog's perspective. But so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this. Yeah, I'm not gonna he he had
Speaker 1: this whole long life without me. That's not fair. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to bring him back. But when they show
Speaker 1: him back, the dogs just sitting there waiting for Fry
Speaker 1: for years until he dies. He's in front of the
Speaker 1: damn pizza parts. Oh my god. Yes, why are you
Speaker 1: doing this to me? I listen with Futurama. Okay, I
Speaker 1: know I like a show. If I would buy, if
Speaker 1: I would actually out of pocket try to locate or
Speaker 1: even do like some sort of an eBay or something,
Speaker 1: um sell, if I would buy a cell from something,
Speaker 1: then I know that I that I'm a huge fan
Speaker 1: of that. Futurama is one of those that I would
Speaker 1: absolutely it is unfreaking real. There's so much heart in
Speaker 1: the show that should be well, the absurdity is there
Speaker 1: and it's beautifully done, but the heart is ridiculous. So
Speaker 1: you're you're doing more right. We're a lot, it's been announced.
Speaker 1: You're a lot to talk about. I did not know.
Speaker 1: My gosh, the zombie of animation is back again. Just
Speaker 1: keeps coming back and coming because because fans of this
Speaker 1: show are die hard fans of this show. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's also the joy of animation is it can always
Speaker 1: come back. Nobody's aging. It can always come back. So
Speaker 1: have you got you guys? I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of it you're allowed to talk about if
Speaker 1: you guys started recording. Yes, yes, we're you know, we're all.
Speaker 1: Everything's official. We're all back. We're all back in the studio,
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun I mean, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't think they did it on purpose,
Speaker 1: but had they from a business standpoint, thought it through.
Speaker 1: It's like, hmm. Animation fans are deep and heavy into
Speaker 1: an engagement, and science fiction fans are deep and heavy.
Speaker 1: Let's marry them, yeah, you know, and then give the
Speaker 1: Simpsons you know, level of love to them. But the
Speaker 1: thing that that I love most about Futurama is what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. There's that heart to it. But then
Speaker 1: there's also just like the brilliance. I mean, a show
Speaker 1: where they create its own alien language and every like
Speaker 1: four meola you see on a board in the background
Speaker 1: is an actual mathematical formula. Yeah, that show makes you
Speaker 1: feel like every time there's one of those you know,
Speaker 1: unrequited love episodes where Fries trying in Leland and something
Speaker 1: comes between them, it always just like, I, well up,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel the same way. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I could gush about this the whole time where he
Speaker 1: where he gives he finally learns how to play the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fauns and the Devil takes his ears in
Speaker 1: the hands, and it's an entire musical episode. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Is everybody on that cast, aside from being terrible actors,
Speaker 1: it's not a single good actor on the entire It
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest casts ever put together. But
Speaker 1: aren't all of you singers? Um? Well, I mean actually,
Speaker 1: essentially we can all sing. But you've got Katie Segal
Speaker 1: and Billy West who are you know? Right? Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: Johnny DiMaggio is a pretty slouch singing either, you know. Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean everybody on the show can, Maurice Tress you
Speaker 1: know there, Yeah, everybody's hotels. Now do you do you
Speaker 1: all record together? Do you record separately? We always have
Speaker 1: this conversation about which is better. We all know it's
Speaker 1: better to record with a bunch of other people, but
Speaker 1: we don't know, especially pandemic wise. Now, what's going on?
Speaker 1: So you guys all recording together? Actually, yes, I mean
Speaker 1: they're still it's they're putting everybody into a different room
Speaker 1: at the at the studio, you know, so like you're
Speaker 1: in this little booth, you're in that little booth. Well,
Speaker 1: the studio is happy, exactly what we need to to
Speaker 1: hear everybody in real time, you know, it's funny because
Speaker 1: you were talking Grissy about the fact that you guys
Speaker 1: never got to work with anybody, And I feel like
Speaker 1: back then was the beginning of what is now the
Speaker 1: norm where nobody really does records anymore. But it's for me.
Speaker 1: It's started back with those Disney shows with you guys
Speaker 1: and Phineas and ferb. You know, it's like these great shows,
Speaker 1: but I've never met any of the other people on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not anymore. So we so animation for the folks out there,
Speaker 1: it happens very very quickly. So you record three days later,
Speaker 1: you've got an episode and it is on Hulu about
Speaker 1: a day and a half after that. And of course,
Speaker 1: joking with with Phil announcing, some come and say, well,
Speaker 1: this is what I deal with. He's too funny for
Speaker 1: his own good. My favorite is telling her that that
Speaker 1: being gullible was actually an inherited trait. She went, really,
Speaker 1: um um no, it's it's forever. So as as as
Speaker 1: excited as we are when we hear like, hey, they're
Speaker 1: recording more fu dramas, we know you're a year and
Speaker 1: a half, two years before you get to see anything. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you know when on interviews or conventions
Speaker 1: or something, people say, so, what are you working on?
Speaker 1: When they asked that, I go in my head and
Speaker 1: go they don't really want to know what I'm working
Speaker 1: on now. They want to know what I was working
Speaker 1: on a year ago that they see now. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is which is true. So, um, that being said, what
Speaker 1: are you working on now? Well, actually, I've found a
Speaker 1: way around the time problem with animation, because, especially when
Speaker 1: you get to be my age, you work on something
Speaker 1: a year ago and then you don't remember what you did.
Speaker 1: It actually comes on. Wait am I in this? But
Speaker 1: I have. I have found a weird little side biz.
Speaker 1: I've been doing voice voiceover jobs on live action shows
Speaker 1: because the technology has gotten to a level now where
Speaker 1: TV shows have c G characters or you know, um,
Speaker 1: like there's the show on the CW, The Flash, which
Speaker 1: has so many characters that are either completely c G
Speaker 1: I or they have full face masks. Like my friend
Speaker 1: Tony Todd, you did an entire season as Professor Zoom
Speaker 1: and it was all in post. It was all him
Speaker 1: recording in a booth. My friend David Sobolov did Flash Yeah,
Speaker 1: David Day's Garde Yeah, And I played a villain on
Speaker 1: that who was rag doll whose face was a doll mask.
Speaker 1: So there's this amazing actor on set who's contorting himself
Speaker 1: and then like I come in and like take half
Speaker 1: the credit for his character. So is that what you do?
Speaker 1: Do you? So then they've shot it, you go in
Speaker 1: and you record it like you you you essentially voice
Speaker 1: match like you would, uh, you know, anime or something
Speaker 1: like that. You're not on set while they're doing this,
Speaker 1: right exactly, Yeah, you're doing it later. Although it's funny
Speaker 1: because on the Flash didn't even have to match lips
Speaker 1: because the masket mo yeah. Right. But on the Book
Speaker 1: of Boba Fette, I did a couple of characters and
Speaker 1: they all had moving mouths. I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is hard. Oh that's so cool though, So yeah, now
Speaker 1: it's it's so weird. So now voice over actors and
Speaker 1: I don't even say voice over actor. You're an actor,
Speaker 1: but you're an actor who's huge in the voice over world.
Speaker 1: You now get to write do voice over in live
Speaker 1: action stuff, which is kind of really cool. We're all crossing.
Speaker 1: It's everything's crossing. It's everything because of the technology is
Speaker 1: blurring the lines between everything, and there's so much to
Speaker 1: be a fan for these days, like whatever you want,
Speaker 1: whatever niche you you want, it's it's it's represented in something,
Speaker 1: and nowadays you can find it. You know. It's funny
Speaker 1: you were talking about wanting to learn about you know,
Speaker 1: X Men or whatever, and Pat and Oswald has a
Speaker 1: bit about, you know, in the old days, being a
Speaker 1: geek required work. You have somebody mail you a video
Speaker 1: tape from Japan. There's no algorithm telling you everything you
Speaker 1: need to know. Where you can just in two minutes
Speaker 1: know everything ever about the X Men. That's true. You
Speaker 1: gott you don't work being a nerd anymore. That's so true. Well,
Speaker 1: we are going to bring in our our special guests.
Speaker 1: John is coming on us here. Guys, John, how are
Speaker 1: you good? It's so nice to see everybody and meet
Speaker 1: Christie and Meat Will not Will, but Phil Johanna has
Speaker 1: met Will Ferdel have a picture? Where did you guys meet?
Speaker 1: We met on set of Girl Meets World. Amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're playing a game called Across the Garden where
Speaker 1: me and Will play little mice in the garden. Um
Speaker 1: we're brother and sister mice. And then we have this
Speaker 1: amazing character that Phil just created called what was his name?
Speaker 1: Was a hummingbird name from how okay? So Johnnah, what
Speaker 1: do you want to be in the garden while we're
Speaker 1: walking past you? Um? I think I'll be a bunny,
Speaker 1: just like a really cute funny I love that perfect.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a name. Well, that
Speaker 1: could be part of your character is that you're trying
Speaker 1: to find your name. That's great, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: I don't have a name. Where you're looking for your name?
Speaker 1: Got it all right? Here we go and we're crossing
Speaker 1: the garden. Christie, take it away. Oh gosh, my feet
Speaker 1: hurt so annoying. I feel just like a like a
Speaker 1: mouse on a wheel, and it's just like we can't
Speaker 1: get to where we need to go. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: in a wheel though, because we'll scare me. But um,
Speaker 1: we are just kind of walking through the garden and
Speaker 1: like that bunny rabbit like she's hopping so fast, bunny,
Speaker 1: bunny rabbit, Hello, Hello, Hello, Yes it is me, Hi bunny, Like,
Speaker 1: could you like teach us how to hop or something like?
Speaker 1: We need to go really fast? I don't want to hop.
Speaker 1: Oh I wish I could, but I can't hop because
Speaker 1: I don't know my name. I don't really see what
Speaker 1: one thing has to do with another. But that's a
Speaker 1: whole different story. Can we just call you, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Copper the bunny, Hopper, Bunny, honey hop. Queen snaps,
Speaker 1: we're going to call you bunny hop. She just that's
Speaker 1: her uncle's I can't have the same name because my uncle. Hey, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: I was in sort of a bad mood before, but
Speaker 1: now I am full of that day. Do you happen
Speaker 1: to know, like I don't know, like a good name
Speaker 1: for this bunny? She needs to know her name. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call you Ears. Oh that's a good name. It's perfect.
Speaker 1: Here's the things closest to me. Oh sorry, Howard, listen, buddy,
Speaker 1: I just need your help, Like my boyfriend the rat
Speaker 1: is at the mall and we really need to get there,
Speaker 1: like super So you're headed to a mom go around
Speaker 1: that tree and you'll be right there. Okay, Bunny. Can
Speaker 1: we hop on you and you could just like hop
Speaker 1: us to the trees? How for I thought, alright, ears,
Speaker 1: topping scares me. Hey make sure they tip? Oh yes,
Speaker 1: Howard is not as helpful as I had hoped. He
Speaker 1: would be, but he's very handsome. Nobody's helpful. As you
Speaker 1: come on, Ricky, hop on the rabbit. Let's go, o
Speaker 1: is it okay? I by just flying circles around you
Speaker 1: while you go, oh no, no, we're good. You just yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope he's going to do it anyway. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go come on ears Hop Hop we go. You're
Speaker 1: happy with the name ears? It seems like maybe we
Speaker 1: just kind of threw that at you and you're like
Speaker 1: accepting or whatever. Yes, I think it's perfectly in capsulate
Speaker 1: my body. Well, off to the tree we go. Then seen. Okay, good, Yes,
Speaker 1: see that was cool. We talk a lot about being
Speaker 1: in the same room with each other, so that was fun.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a phenomenal cartoon. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this is wonderful. I have so much background. I hope
Speaker 1: you had a good time. Did you have any questions
Speaker 1: for for us or Phil? Yeah? Honestly, Phil, I'm just
Speaker 1: a big fan of your work. Um, I know you
Speaker 1: were Boldy and Jimmy Neutron and slap slap, slap, clap
Speaker 1: clap clap lives in my head. A look at is
Speaker 1: the joy song? Maybe we could do it together for
Speaker 1: t talk you book. It is so good. He would
Speaker 1: just go slap slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, clap, clap, Yes, amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you Phil, Thank you, Johonna, thank you. It was
Speaker 1: good seeing you again. Johnna. I think last time I
Speaker 1: saw you had very short hair, didn't you. Yes, I did, Yes, Quarantine,
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to speak to you again, you too, and
Speaker 1: good luck with everything. We'll talk again soon. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: bye everybody. Bye. So there we go. Phil. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's always nice when it's not just the two of
Speaker 1: us gushing over you, but when we get a random
Speaker 1: fan to come over and just start throwing your lines
Speaker 1: back at you from some of the because this is, again, folks,
Speaker 1: is what's going on out there, and when you deal
Speaker 1: with people like Phil Lamar. Where we've sat here and
Speaker 1: we've talked for well over an hour now, it'll be
Speaker 1: cut down in an hour, I'm sure, but well over
Speaker 1: an hour now, and we still didn't get into three
Speaker 1: quarters of his resume coming in talking about Jimmy Neutron again.
Speaker 1: We still haven't talked Dark Sider's final fantasy, Dead Island,
Speaker 1: Kingdom Hearts Metal Gear Jackson Den Hearts to Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we all were. I just yeah, you were in Hearts?
Speaker 1: Are you will? I was Cipher in Kingdom Hearts too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to do a voice match
Speaker 1: Kevin Klein, which was not easy. Like you do like
Speaker 1: you do on a Wednesday, Well, yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: do a lot of matching, although the oscars have put
Speaker 1: a dent in some of my voice matching because who
Speaker 1: do your voice match? Over the years, I have voice
Speaker 1: matched both Will Smith and Chris Rock Well that's I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just lost at least one paycheck for one. Know.
Speaker 1: The joy is you could do the slap, getting the
Speaker 1: slap and then the the effect keep my wife's very
Speaker 1: amount to mow and there's the TikTok no um that
Speaker 1: would be. So it's funny that you say, now very
Speaker 1: quickly before we wrap up, we will. But when you're
Speaker 1: in the voice over world and you do voice matching,
Speaker 1: nobody calls them impressions because they're not You're not doing
Speaker 1: an impression of a of another actor. You're voice matching them.
Speaker 1: You're not sitting there and doing it for a comedy
Speaker 1: bid or something like that. You are just voice matching.
Speaker 1: So if somebody came up to you and said, who
Speaker 1: do you voice match better than anybody else? If I
Speaker 1: shut my eyes and I hear the actor, who would
Speaker 1: you say it was? Um? I think my Chris Rock
Speaker 1: is probably because that was pretty good. Because look, man,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is every man's got to make
Speaker 1: a decision, commitment. Well, I'm not going on to that,
Speaker 1: but the thing about it is you do commented for
Speaker 1: a reason, and that reason is to get slapped in
Speaker 1: the face. Well, I can't think of a better way
Speaker 1: to wrap it up than right there. I love you,
Speaker 1: Phil Lamar, Thank you for gracing us with your iconic presence.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you in person to give
Speaker 1: you a big hug and yeah, and congratulations you guys
Speaker 1: on everything you're building here, I mean with this show
Speaker 1: and Christie with all of your stuff. It's amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: thank you. Uses of a career twice the length of yours.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help, trying to catch up with
Speaker 1: to doing anything, do anything. He could do anything. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's nuts. Where where can people Now
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, but where can people find you
Speaker 1: if they want to come see what? What? What projects
Speaker 1: you want to yell out that aren't going to take
Speaker 1: three years for us to see? And uh and what
Speaker 1: socials can people come and can follow you on? Well?
Speaker 1: On the socials, UM, I'm at Phil Lamar. That's two
Speaker 1: ls in the middle, two hours on the end. Um
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram, and there's where I post, you know,
Speaker 1: appearances at conventions because I'm finally going back to in
Speaker 1: person cons and UM. And then for people in southern California,
Speaker 1: I've been doing an improv show monthly called The Black Version,
Speaker 1: and we've been doing the show at the Groundlings. It's
Speaker 1: h it's an all black cast. We take a suggestion
Speaker 1: from the audience of a classic or iconic movie and
Speaker 1: then we improvised the quote unquote black version of that movie.
Speaker 1: To take the black version of Jaws, which was Catfish
Speaker 1: we did. We did the black version of My Fair Lady,
Speaker 1: which was she I Oh no No. Phil is the
Speaker 1: audience mostly white people trying not to laugh and feeling
Speaker 1: shameful about themselves that they're all canceled at the door
Speaker 1: on the way out there just giving the tickets. It's
Speaker 1: not validation when they go get their cards, it's canceled. Cards,
Speaker 1: they're like your car has been It's funny. The premise
Speaker 1: of the show plays on stereotypes. So at the beginning,
Speaker 1: when we first started, it was hilarious because you could
Speaker 1: see folks in the audience. We would do something on
Speaker 1: stage and they would stop and look at a black
Speaker 1: person in the audience. Is that okay? The laughing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the white were it's white permission. You need to look
Speaker 1: over to make sure that it's okay to laugh black
Speaker 1: guys laughing that. I can laugh that now, I can laugh.
Speaker 1: Now When is this? Because I am certainly coming, so
Speaker 1: I want to know when this is happening. Usually the
Speaker 1: last Monday of every month at the Groundlings Theater, although
Speaker 1: this month we actually won't be at the Groundlings because
Speaker 1: we're doing the show as part of the Netflix is
Speaker 1: a Joke Comedy Festival. That's amazing. Yeah, so that that's huge.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun and yeah, people can find out
Speaker 1: about that at the Black Version dot com. And it's
Speaker 1: it's just we've been doing it for going on ten
Speaker 1: years now and it's just some of the most amazing
Speaker 1: improvisers and the most fun you can have it if
Speaker 1: you can't wait, Oh, I can't wait. I can't start
Speaker 1: thinking of suggestions. I want to yell out louder than
Speaker 1: anybody else. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for having me the show
Speaker 1: is absolute privilege. Thank you. This is the coolest thing
Speaker 1: in the world. To meet all these well, to to
Speaker 1: to get have everybody else meet the people that we've
Speaker 1: known and how to get a chance to work with
Speaker 1: is just the coolest thing in the world. And honestly
Speaker 1: feel because we haven't scratched your career, if we happen
Speaker 1: to be at a con together, maybe we could do
Speaker 1: a live version with you, because we're looking to do
Speaker 1: more like live. We're gonna be doing these live at
Speaker 1: some conventions, so it could be really fun to actually
Speaker 1: sit next to you and chat. Please come back, because
Speaker 1: again Christie's right, we've barely touched the surfaces. There's a
Speaker 1: part two in the here I know, and part three
Speaker 1: and part four and by that point we'll be up
Speaker 1: to which will be great. I'm there, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Everybody, go follow uh and
Speaker 1: like everything that Phil does, because man, you are going
Speaker 1: to be digging into quite the career. It is insane.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining us, and we're
Speaker 1: going to see you next time on I Hear Voices.
Speaker 1: Phil Lamar, thanks everybody, Thank you guys so much. I
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