1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Our two Sean Hannity's show toll Free. It's eight hundred 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: and nine four one Sean. If you want to be 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: a part of the program on this Friday, We're gonna 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: take a little, a little break, much needed break from 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: everything that's going on with top secret, classified information, hypocrisy, 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: medium mob insanity, and we're going to talk to our friend. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: It's an honor, it's a privilege. It's a pleasure to 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: have in studio somebody who's a really genuine, genuinely a 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: great friend of mine, somebody I have enormous respect for, 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: but we are friends. He's taken a lot of crap 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: for that, more than I've had to take for being 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: his friend. I don't know why Stephen A. Smith is 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: with us. Uh. You got your new book out. It's 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: called straight Shooter. Yeah, a memoir of second chances and 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: first takes. And by the way, I want everyone to know, 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: it's available on Amazon dot com, Hannity dot com, bookstores everywhere. 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: And now, before I get into this book shocked me 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: and I read it cover to cover, and I'm I 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: don't get shocked often. My first question is when did 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: we first get to know each other? Because I don't remember. 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, listen. Um. During two thousand and 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: nine when ESPN let me go, Um, I was doing 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: I was on the circuit, you know, Fox and the SNBCC, 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and I was all over the place, and I was 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: doing interviews because I was thinking about a career that 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: expanded beyond the world of sports. And you know, I 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: used to be on ABC Radio and stuff like that. 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: And then you had me on and you defended you. Yes, 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: you did, well, you did that. That is true. You 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: absolutely defended me with some of the controversies that I 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: had been involved in the years that followed. But at 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: that particular moment of time, i go on the air 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: with you, and I'm going back and forth with you 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: about my opinions. What you like. Wait a minute, this 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: guy's not off his rocket some left wing zella or whatever. 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: And you found out that, Listen, I'm I'm an independent. Yeah, 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: I've got some left wing views about things, and I've 38 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: got some things and I'm conservative about and so all 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden we could have a discussion and it 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: was an agreed to disagree kind of relationship without there 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: being any kind of animosity. And from that point forward, 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: we've always kept in touch, we've always communicated, and you've 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: always invited me on your shows. And here's here's the 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: thing that shocked me about the book, and where I 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: don't get shocked that often. I we never had that 46 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: time to sit as friends and talk about life. And 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: I read this book. I will tell you I teared 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: up another number of times. I had no idea about 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: how how hard your life was when you were young, 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the adversity that you had faced, the challenges you had 51 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: to overcome, and now I admire you that much more 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: for it. Let me let me give an example for 53 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: in this book, because I read that you had left 54 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: been left back twice. Yes, in fourth grade, third grade, 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: I got left back. What happened? I got left back 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: in third grade that June, I went to summer school, 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: and then I got promoted to the fourth grade. And 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: then after I went I completed the fourth grade. I 59 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: got left back again, and this time held back for 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: the entire fourth grade year. Right, Okay, Now this is 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: where it gets really harry for me, and that is 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: that you hear it over here a conversation between your 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 1: mother and your father, and that conversation is your dad 64 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: pretty much dismisses you is dumb and stupid, and get 65 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: over it. This is just the way it's gonna be. 66 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: And then your mom heard it and realized that you 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: had heard it. She was talking to him in the kitchen, 68 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: and we had a backporch just a few feet away. 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: The door was closed, but the window was open, and 70 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I was sitting on the back porch crying because the 71 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: kids in the neighborhood were all laughing at me because 72 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: they found out I got left back and I was 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: the only one on the block that got left back, 74 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: and so I was pretty embarrassed. And I went to 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: the back porch and while I was sitting back there sobbing, 76 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: my mother didn't know I was back there. My father 77 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: didn't know I was back there, and they were in 78 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the kitchen just a few feet behind me with the 79 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: door shot. Obviously they didn't see me. And my father 80 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: looked at up and he was like, he just ain't smart. 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: Just get over it. You just got to accept it. 82 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: That's you don't have it. Just just live with that. 83 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's devastating. It was that emotionally devastating. You 84 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: start the book out in your introduction talking about the 85 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: day your mom dies and talk about that day and 86 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: the difference between your mom and dad in terms of 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: the impact in your life and your dad. You actually 88 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: ended that introduction by saying, because of him, I've never 89 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: taken more than three drinks in a week in my life. 90 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I've never smoked or done drugs, including marijuana what are 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: referred to on my show as the weedy I never married, 92 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: partly because I'm usually on the road for well over 93 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: half the year, but mainly because I never wanted to 94 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: dishonor my marital vows just placed into your dad. So 95 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: talk about the day your mom dies in your relationship 96 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: with your dad. My mother died June one, twenty seventeen. 97 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: It was opening game for Golden State Cleveland Cavaliers that series, 98 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: and me to this day is the most devastating thing 99 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: that ever happened to me. My mother was my everything. 100 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: We were very very close, very ti and because of 101 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: the relationship that I had with my father, because of 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: the kind of man that he was, it put in 103 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: an ordinate amount of responsibilities on her shoulders and the 104 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: resentment that I had. You know, with my sisters, the 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: difference between us is that they looked at his infidelity 106 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: and a womanizing us stuff like that. My biggest thing 107 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: was he didn't pay bills and he left the onus, 108 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: that responsibility on the shoulders of my mother. So my 109 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: mother would work sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: She'd work at Queen's General Hospital, and then go from 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Queens General Hospital right over the Endtigrant Central Parkway, right 112 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: down the road to a nursing home and she'd work 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: from seven am to eleven pm, seven nights a week 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: for twenty straight years, with one week's vacation. And to me, 115 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: we had to do She had to do that because 116 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: of what he didn't do. And so for me to 117 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: get to a point where my career was ascending and 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: I was able to do things for her that I 119 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: never would have dreamed that I would have been able 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: to do, and for her to have her life cut 121 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: short after a lengthy battle with cancer. It was seven years, 122 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: seven years, seven year battle with cancer. And then I 123 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: had been at the house that night, My sisters were 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: around or whatever, and we just thought that we knew 125 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: she was transitioned into some degree, but we thought, you 126 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: know what, she divided whatever. So I went home to 127 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: go get some sleep, knowing I was gonna come back 128 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I live about forty five minutes away. 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: And I pulled into my driveway at my sister, come 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: and get back here, now, that's all she said. And 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even park, I didn't even change. I just 132 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: turned right back around and I drove home. And by 133 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: that time she was gone. And I saw my sister 134 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Abigail spooning and hugging her, and I just saw her 135 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: that laying the emotionless, and I just collapsed on the 136 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: bed and I crumbled, and I don't even remember how 137 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: long I cried. And I remember that for the next year, 138 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: the year and a half, there wasn't a day that 139 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: I didn't cry. And I was just devastated. All the 140 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: time going TV. I remember one time you interviewed me 141 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: about something everybody and I was very good at being 142 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: in the moment and handling my business. But the second 143 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I got alone, all I could think about was her. Misery. 144 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Just couldn't I just couldn't get out of my head, 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: seeing her motionless and knowing that she was going. What 146 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me is that your mom wanted 147 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: your dad next to her. Yes, And he spent most 148 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: of this night where she's passing, watching I believe the 149 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors against somebody, Yes, and barely going up 150 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: there and even saying holding her hand. Correct, Yeah, that 151 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: was that was him. I'm quite sure in his own 152 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: way he believed he loved my mother dearly, but the 153 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: selfishness never escaped him. In my estimation, it was difficult 154 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: for me to say, because it's not like I didn't 155 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: love my dad. I wish he was better. But the 156 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: damage that his inactions, the damage that his irresponsible behavior 157 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: caused the family, especially her, was really something that resonated 158 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: with me. And you know from the night that she 159 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: passed away. I mean it was even the time before that. 160 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: It was a couple of months before she passed. My 161 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: sisters in our huddle and we look at him and 162 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: we sent him down. He's like, she needs you by 163 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: Hassai and he said, you know West Indian accs and 164 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: stuff like that. All of you don't know your mother 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: the way. That's right. He's from Saint Thomas. You know, 166 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: my mother and father were from Saint Thomas, Virgin Islands. 167 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: He was really from Antigua, but they lived they was born. 168 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: She was born in Saint Thomas. They were both raised 169 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: in the Saint Thomas, Virgin Islands. All my relatives are 170 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: from the West Indies, and he said, all of you 171 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: don't know your mother the way that I do. He said, 172 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: she's not sick, it's all in act. And I looked 173 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: at him and I got in his face and I said, 174 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: what the F did you just say? I said, she's sick, 175 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: she's dying. And he looked me dead in my face. 176 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: He said, I got it, I understand. And I said, 177 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: what do you mean you got it? Your daughters all 178 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: for your daughters a city right here. They just told you. 179 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: They just told you. And he said, they're not you, 180 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: they're women. So he wouldn't listen to my sisters say 181 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: the same thing that I said, because they were women. 182 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: And you know, it's just it's just an example of 183 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: the many, many things that you know, I had to 184 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: deal with and growing up, because on one hand, you 185 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: got this man that you want to respect you and 186 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: you want to love you, and you want his approval. 187 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I'm a young man who 188 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: dearly loves my mother, my four oldest sisters, than I 189 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: have these five women who are strong willed black women 190 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: who raised me to be who I am, who deserve 191 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: all the credit in the world for what I've been 192 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: able to achieve and accomplish in my life. I want 193 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: to explain that in a minute, because there's a story 194 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: behind that. But over hearing that conversation what your dad said, 195 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: the exact words were, he's just not that smart. He'll 196 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: never succeed. Just accept that, Yes, I believe. In the 197 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: next day, you wrote about how your mom took you 198 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: to see the movie Grease, something she'd never do. That 199 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: to me was pretty hard to hear. It was hard 200 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: for me to read that. The way it read it was, 201 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought you got back left back twice in the 202 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: fourth grade, but it was third grade. Then you went 203 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: to summer school. But then you got left back in 204 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: the fourth grade and held back in it had to 205 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: repeat the fourth grade. And then there was this guy 206 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember his name that you talk about in 207 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: the book that brought you and your mom into school. Yeah, 208 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: and started telling your mom. Now you had figured out 209 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: at some point they didn't have the word for it 210 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: at the time. You were dyslexic. Okay, so and that's 211 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: what we know, that's real. Yeah, they didn't know it. 212 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Then correct they didn't have that name that correct, But 213 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: this this school principal, person, teacher, whatever it was, mister Caravan. Okay, 214 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: he brings your mom in and says, uh, this kid's 215 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: smart as hell. I said, he gets bored easily if 216 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: he's not interested in that topic. He's not interested. Find 217 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: something he's interested in and watch what happens. He will 218 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: be a start out a direct quote quote. You definitely 219 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: did read the book. I read the book. That's exactly 220 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: what he said, and how right he was. It was. 221 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: It was life changing because he was a teacher that 222 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: had the power to fail me or past me or whatever. 223 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: And he set my mother down and he said, he drifts, 224 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: he said, when he's bored, he doesn't hear you say. 225 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: People think he doesn't comprehend. No, he never heard you 226 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: because he's not listening. It went in one hand out 227 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: the other. He can't tell you what you said because 228 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: he paid no attention to it, he said, because that's 229 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: how he gets he said, But when you find something 230 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: that he's interested in, make no mistake. And here's the 231 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: interesting part. I was interested in two things. I was 232 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: interested in sports and I was interested in politics, but 233 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: not as a politician. I love the issues. I loved 234 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: watching debates. I love to watch. Whether it was meryoral figures, 235 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: it was goodtorial figures, it was text me and give 236 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: me so much, or your bass all the time. It's 237 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: not bus it's I'm usually right showing I'm usually right 238 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: to just tell the world I'm usually right. But it's okay. 239 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Then there was a moment where, man, this is rough stuff, 240 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: where yeah, I guess your sisters were giving you a 241 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: hard time and you were you were the accident. Yeah, 242 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: they were just played around. They please you know, because 243 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm the youngest six. My older sister, Linda is ten 244 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: years older than me. My sister Allen is eight years 245 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: older than me. My brother, my late brother that died 246 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: in the carcad in the nineteen ninety two, he was 247 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: nine years old than me. So he had Linda at ten, 248 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Basil at nine, all In at eight. My sister Abigail 249 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: was six years old. It's six years older than me, 250 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: and Carmon is four, so four year years separated me 251 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: from common. So they used to be like, you know 252 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: what you're you weren't attention to you, you were an accident, 253 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. My mother said, oh, you shut up. 254 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: He was the only one who was on purpose when 255 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: they figured out that this was a reading your shoe 256 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: and it just didn't have the name dyslection. Then a 257 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: number of people, including your sisters, I believe, in your life, 258 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: they made it their business to get you up to 259 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: speed terms of reading. Primarily my oldest sister Linda. Linda 260 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: was brilliant valedictorian in school um, and she was somebody 261 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: that would sit me down and and literally taught me 262 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: how to read. And then on the side, when i'd 263 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: go for my friend Ronnie Robertson's house, who lived right 264 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: around the corner from me, His older brother Tiver was 265 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: also very brilliant, and they would they wouldn't collaborate with 266 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: one another, but separately they both worked on me overcoming 267 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: my reading comprehension impediment. And that was when I was 268 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: able to really really take things to any And then 269 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: you starting radio, yes, and you make your way into television. 270 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: By the way, I made more than you were. My 271 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: first job, you made fifteen grand I made nineteen. Yes, 272 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: that was the newspaper, though for me fifteen thousand and 273 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: one was the first one degree. And then you went 274 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: to the Philly Inquirer. Philly Inquirer was after the New 275 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: York Daily News as a high school reporter for fourteen months. Uh, 276 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: and then you had your first stint on TV and 277 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: then then very well and you went two years being 278 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: off TV. Well, that was ESPN in two thousand and nine. 279 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean I started off in television at CNNSI in 280 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. I went to Fox Sports in two 281 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: thousand and one. I ended up at ESPN in two 282 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: thousand and three, and in two thousand and nine, ESPN 283 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: decided to let me go over a contract dispute. And 284 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: so after when you know when that happened, Um, you know, 285 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: I was. I was out of a job from that 286 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: that May to that February. And then after that, um, 287 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: I came back on and I was doing radio, and 288 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: then I did radio for a year for Fox Sports Radio, 289 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: and then they brought me back to ESPN radio, but 290 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: they prohibited me from being on television. But that changed. 291 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: We'll pick it up, We'll pick up the story from there. 292 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith as well, what an incredible I mean, 293 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: he's starting at with a deficit. That's you know, your 294 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: own father thinks you aren't gonna make it. You're not smart, 295 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: You're stupid, just accept it. And now one of the 296 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: biggest stars in all of sports radio and television. He's 297 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: now out with his own memoir, A Straight Shooter, A 298 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: Memoir of Second Chances and First Takes. It's a phenomenal book. 299 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: It'll bring tears to your eyes, and it'll make you 300 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: cheer for this guy more and more as you get 301 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: to know and see what he went through and how 302 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: he's been able to turn his life into this great success. 303 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot for everybody to learn, including yours. Truly, 304 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot in this book. All Right, we 305 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: continue our buddy Stephen A. Smith in studio with us today. 306 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: Straight Shooter, A Memoir of Second Chances and First Takes. 307 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: You can get it at Amazon dot com, a first 308 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: print edition, Hannity dot Com, bookstores everywhere. 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We've talked about we have similar moms. 353 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: My mom was a prison guardwork in sixteen hours a day, 354 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: seven days a week, just like yours. Um, I didn't 355 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: have the stress that you had with your father. And 356 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: that's tough, and that really was those words that you 357 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: heard were brutal. But you overcome this, you find sports 358 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: as a passion. You start looking. I think you mentioned 359 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: names like Brian Gumbelum and you met Brent Musburger. I 360 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: think you mentioned Howard Howard speaking Mum, I love Howard, Cosellwood, 361 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: Muhammad aldis. No, there's no better, nothing better. And then 362 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: you run into a situation. You're you're playing basketball yourself 363 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: in Winston Salem, yes, okay, and you have a coach 364 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: claiming his big house games like like a second father 365 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: to the year legend. Okay, something happens to the coach 366 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: with his health. Yeah, I could not believe what I read. 367 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: I could not believe you did this. He has some 368 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: health issues. I don't know what it specifically was. I 369 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: thought it was mild strokes. Somebody said it could have 370 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: been cerebro POLSI I don't know what it was. But 371 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: sometimes he would show up the practice and games with 372 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: a patch over his eye and he would you know, 373 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: he would lose conscious. To somebody to be like semi 374 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: conscious at at particular moment at a time. So I 375 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: was a member of the basketball team. I writing for 376 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the school newspaper, and I said, I always would sit 377 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: in this office and talk with him. I loved him daily, 378 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: always will, and you know I would talk to him 379 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: and I said, coach, you need to retire. You're not healthy. 380 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: And we got into a little argument about it. He said, 381 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't give a damn what you say. Shut the 382 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: f up and get the hell out of my office 383 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: right now. I said, coach, I'm dead serious. I'm not 384 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna watch you collapse on the sidelines and stuff like that. 385 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: You got a long life ahead of you. Add something here. 386 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: You really had a genuine fear he would die. Yes, yes, 387 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: I did. A lot of us did on the team. 388 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: We didn't know. It wasn't educated. We just looked went 389 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: by what we were seeing from him. And so I 390 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: said to him, right for the school newspaper, I said, 391 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to write a story that you need to retire. 392 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: And he said to me, you know, I don't give 393 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: a what you right, you get the hell out of 394 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: my office. Or I said, okay, I said, you got 395 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: a problem with that. He said, do what you want 396 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: to do. And I went and I wrote the story 397 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: about how he needed to retire, and so so many 398 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: people would take giving me heat about it. Oh my lord, 399 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: you got You got teammates that were praying that all 400 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: and lose my scholarship. You had coaches that wanted me going. 401 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: The chancellor of the school. He later denied that he 402 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: had any recall of it whatsoever, but he wanted to 403 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: be going or whatever. And folks showed up to his 404 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: office one day and Coach Gaines said, leave alone. He said, 405 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: he looked me in my face, told me what he 406 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: felt and why, and he got my perspective. And then 407 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: he went and he wrote it, he wants to be 408 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: a journalist, this is what comes with it. Leave him alone. 409 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: What was the net result, Well, I stayed on scholarship 410 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: and we just moved forward. And then ultimately a few 411 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: years later, he was pushed out by some alumni members 412 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: who I'm still salty with because I thought they were 413 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: very shady and how they went about dealing with him. 414 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: They didn't deal with him on the up and up, 415 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: and considering what he had meant to that institution being 416 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: here for over forty five years, winning a national championship, 417 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: being a perennial powerhouse, the black men that he had 418 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: brought to HBCUs and a contribution that he had made 419 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: to so many of our lives because it wasn't just 420 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: about the sports. You could be a great athlete, that 421 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: the great, great player, but Coach Gaines was the kind 422 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: of person if that is all you were about, he 423 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: did not want to talk to you outside of the 424 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: basketball court. You had to be about something more than that. 425 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: And when in my case, I wasn't great on a 426 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: basketball court, plus I was perpetually injured, but he looked 427 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: at the contribution he thought that I would have off 428 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: the court, and that's why he talked to me all 429 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: the time and he embraced me. Let's go back to 430 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: the teacher. The first identified you had this gift, this 431 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: brilliant so, this passion, and that you in fact were 432 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: smart as hell, smarter than anybody knew, and that you 433 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: would be a star. Because it's interesting, and I talk 434 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: a lot about this on the program, and for some 435 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: people that's a little repetitive, but you know, I studied 436 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Latin in high school. The Latin derivative for education is 437 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: to bring forth from within and what this man was 438 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: identifying to you and your mother is what he saw 439 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: in you a gift God gave you, which is like me, 440 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: you have a big mouth, but you have a passion. Well, 441 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: I have a passion. I got behind the radio microphone. 442 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: That was it, game over, checkmate. That's all I wanted 443 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: to do. Period. I was done. There was nothing else 444 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: I was going to pursue. So you found it in sports, 445 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: and once you entifighted it, it was like a rocket ship. 446 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: It was a rocket ship because what happened is is 447 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: that he was a social studies teacher and he would 448 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: see how my interest, my fervor, and my knowledge would 449 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: seem elevated with certain subjects compared to others. So he 450 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: was like, you're interested in this, why is it this way? 451 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: And I like this bores me. And he figured out 452 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: that my you know, whatever level of excellence I put 453 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: forth was contingent on what I was passionate about. And 454 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: so when he said that to my mother, it was like, wow, Okay, 455 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: now I took that. Well, I'm passionate about sports. Then 456 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: I coupled that with the insults that still resonated with 457 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: me coming from my father. So all of a sudden 458 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: he was a Yankee fan. Now I'm watching baseball, and 459 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: I know base mention, Greg Nettles, Chris Chambliss, and Ron Gidrey, 460 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: Goose Gossage and all of these guys. So I'm studying 461 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: and I'm watching a game, and all of a sudden, 462 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: before long, my father's like, what the hell is going 463 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: on here? He ain't as dumb as I thought he was. 464 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: This dude is telling me about what's going on in sports. 465 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: He described, Your father would sit there. Why did he 466 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: throw a Why did he throw a fastball? Should have 467 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: thrown a slider? Why did that idiot swinging this pit? 468 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: Why did that third base coach wave the run of home? 469 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: Which that great in him more than anything he could. 470 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: Because this whole point is, you ain't the manager. You 471 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: got one job, right, How is it that you can't 472 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: do that one job keep this dude from getting thrown 473 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: out at home? How could you mess that up? So 474 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: my father was real big on those things, and he 475 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: was passionate about it. Well, in order to sit up 476 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: there and debate with him or exceed his level of knowledge, 477 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: I had to really study the game. And so I 478 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: used to watch these games and watch him over and 479 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: over and over again, and it got to a point 480 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: where I knew what everybody's job description was, and that's 481 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: how I mastered the sports. So when he would come 482 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: back and say this picture made that mistake, I said, no, 483 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: Dad actually didn't make that mistake. That particular hit that 484 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: he was throwing the ball against. He always susceptible to 485 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: the slider. That's why he threw the slider. The mistake 486 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: that he made was throwing the fastball because he was 487 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: waiting for that pitch. That's and my father, what the 488 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: hell is going on here? He said, well, why the 489 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: hell that this guy can't He can't even hit a 490 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: single bowl. Dad. He always swings and he always pulls 491 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: the ball. So what they do is they take the 492 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: second basement in the shortstop and they lean him over 493 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: to the left because they know he's gonna pull the 494 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: ball at all times. If he just lays off of 495 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: it a little bit, it'll get him side, it'll go 496 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: to the other side. And he sort of he was like, 497 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? I can't believe this, 498 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: And he would tell my mother, I can't believe what's 499 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: going on here. One more story about your mom to 500 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: her obviously passing away. Is when you got fired. She 501 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: kicked your ass, Yeah she did. She put you in 502 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: your place. Yeah. By the way, I wish I knew. 503 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: She sounds so much like my mother. I love it. 504 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: Jennifer's not even listening. You should be listening, Jennifer. I 505 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: believe it a lot. She didn't know you that well, 506 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: but she would have loved the relationship that you and 507 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: I have because my mother. This is the thing, and 508 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: this is what I try to tell a lot of 509 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: folks about a lot of African Americans, a lot of 510 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: black people in this country. You might have a lot 511 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: of people voting Democrat. That is not what goes on 512 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: in our home. Our homes are very, very conservative. My 513 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: mother want to hear about your rights. Yeah, you gotta 514 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: write the chef the hell up and do what the 515 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: hell I tell you to do, or your father's gonna 516 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: whip your behind. That's where you ain't got the rights here. 517 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: You get rights when you get grown. This is what 518 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Yeah, we're gonna budget now, We're not 519 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna just spend Excuse me, what do you mean spend? Spencer? 520 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: You have the money, is what's going on here. My 521 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: mother was a stickler for all of those things. You know, 522 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: you got gay rights, transgender, all of this other stuff. No, 523 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: my mother's household, she want to hear none of that. 524 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: It's my household. Boy, that was going out on the streets, 525 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: going out on the streets. But in this household, we're 526 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: a Christian household. Okay, this is the way I might 527 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: be episcopalian. I'll allow you to be non denomination too, 528 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: but that's about the level of flexibility that we're gonna 529 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: have in this house. Get the hell over. It isn't 530 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: the way it was gonna be. My mother didn't play. 531 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: She didn't play at all. There was no compromise. And 532 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: so my mother was that of that ill because she 533 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: was that type of person. So when I got let 534 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: go by ESPN, I come home and I'm laying down 535 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: in my bunk bed where I grew up. And my 536 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: mother was always good about she one of my I know, 537 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: she knows. I loved my toasted bagels with a little 538 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: extra butter and some scrambled eggs, and my hot tea 539 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: with milk and sugar and stuff like that. Oh man, 540 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: that's what I loved. Little Teddy Bear too. She did 541 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: not but she didn't have to. That was my teddy bear, 542 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: that food. Right. So I'm in now in this one 543 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: particular day, as I write in the book, it's a tray. 544 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: It's a tray of the food and the tea and 545 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: some orange juice, and on there's a handheld mirror. And 546 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? And she said, I'm 547 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: wondering when you're gonna take a moment to look at yourself. 548 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: It's real easy to point the finger at what they did, 549 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: or what about what you did? And then she went 550 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: in on me about times that she overheard me on 551 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: the phone and I was being cynical about the bosses. 552 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: I was being cynical about decisions that was made. I 553 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: would push back and argue a little bit too much. 554 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: I was never in supported or disrespectful, but I was. 555 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: I made life a bit uncomfortable. And she was like, 556 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: you're not a Boston You don't like people telling you 557 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: what to do and talking to you like that. She 558 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: was like, why should they want you if you're going 559 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: to cause them that kind of headache? When are you 560 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: going to look at yourself? And that's what she said 561 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: to me as he walked out the room. Is nothing 562 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: not gonna say quick break more with Stephen A. Smith. 563 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: On the other side, Straight Shooter, a memoir of second 564 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: chances in first Takes. It's on Amazon dot com. We 565 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: have a big link on Hannity dot com and by 566 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: the way, Straight Shooter book dot com if you want 567 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: an autograph copy. Want to remind you this is the 568 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: gift of all gifts. I wish I'd thought of this company. 569 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: It's called Legacy Box. 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We'll continue 587 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: on the other side up Neck Star Final round up 588 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: and information Overload. Our Stephen A. Smith is with us. 589 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: His new book is out man. This is a great book, 590 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: Straight Shooter, a memoir of second chances and first takes. 591 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: By the way Amazon dot com, Hannity dot com. If 592 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: you want an autograph copy, it's Straight Shooter book dot com. 593 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: It's not simple. You know, my son is your biggest fan, 594 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: although he can't stand it when you're going down on his. 595 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys down a lot more in the days and 596 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: weeks to come, because they had a game Monday night 597 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay. But I want to see listen. I 598 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady. That story never ends for me. I 599 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: always cheer for him. But I also like I'm a 600 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Dak fan. Also, I think he's I think his time 601 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: is now and hopefully this year we'll see who he does. 602 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: So we could talk about all that but that's not 603 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: why I wanted this interview. After read, I thought this 604 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: interview was gonna be about all these wonderful people that 605 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: you know and and you know work with an interview 606 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: and talk to and and your life and career a 607 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: little bit. But this isn't really what that book is about. 608 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: To me. The book is really about you and about 609 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: how you were able to overcome all of that to 610 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: become this huge star. Everybody knows who you are. Everybody 611 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: And it was funny you mentioned at one point in 612 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: the book you might you hosted for Jimmy Kimmel. Is 613 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: late Night in my future? Yeah, and don't ask me 614 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: to be on your show because the answers no, please, 615 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: you'll come on if I watch you come on as 616 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: many times if I peer for you, you come on 617 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: my show, I would, but listen, listen. I like to 618 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: have a good time. Contrary to what people believe, I've 619 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do Late Night, but I've got 620 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot of different aspirations, whether this radio's podcast, is 621 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: my production company or whatever. But I think that I've 622 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: I've been blessed and fortunate enough to be in a 623 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: position where I can have an impact and what I 624 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: try to do is just have an impact and encourage 625 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: people to be open to an abundance of that's what 626 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: you promised your mom that you would not write this 627 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: book until she passed away. That was a little weird 628 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know why. My mother was incredibly 629 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: private and she did not want everyone to know what 630 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: my father put her through. She did not want to 631 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: be alive when that happened. I think, so she asked 632 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: me in two the round, I think it was two 633 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: thousand and ten, going into two thousand and eleven. She 634 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: made me swear to her that I would never write 635 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: this book as long as she was alive, because she 636 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: knew I would talk about my father. I only have 637 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: two minutes left, and I want I want to take 638 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: this as an opportunity because I think this is such 639 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: a powerful life story. What do you say to young 640 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: people that go through adversity. There's a lot of people 641 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: that look up to you that are growing up in 642 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: either similar circumstances, maybe worse circumstances. There's a lot of 643 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: pain in this country, a lot of a lot of 644 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of violence. I keep talking about we 645 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: need law and order and safety and security if you 646 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: want people to pursue happiness. There's a lot of crap 647 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: going on, and but people look up to athletes, they 648 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: look up to people like you. My son looks up 649 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: to you. I don't know why, but it looks up 650 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: to you more than me. And but you have a 651 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: message for people, what is it to those to the 652 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: younger people that are facing challenges and things we can't 653 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: even imagine. Stop thinking that the world is against you. 654 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: No matter what we're going through in this country, no 655 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: matter what we're going through in this world, there's far 656 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: more good than bad. I wouldn't be where I am 657 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: today if it were not for so many people who 658 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: extended a help in hand. One of the things that 659 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: I bring up in the book is my time at 660 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: the Whitstessalem Journal. The entire staff was white, and I 661 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: remember their name, Steve Steve Man, Dan Loam and Terry Oberley, 662 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: Phil risk Shack and these guys, you know, Lennox Rawlings 663 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: and all these guys. They could not have been more generous, 664 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: They could not have been more kind, They could not 665 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: have been more giving of their time and their efforts. 666 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: If it were not for them, I wouldn't be here 667 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: and the same goals for Kevin Whitmer, the former sports 668 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: at the New York Daily News, and the Gary Howards 669 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: and the Mike Brutus of the world, and so many 670 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: other people that have helped me along the way. I 671 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: didn't get here just because of my skill set. I 672 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: had to develop those skills. Somebody had to help me 673 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: do it. Somebody had to see something in me, believe 674 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: in me, and then extend themselves in order to help 675 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: facilitate me being where I am today. That's everywhere. I 676 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: don't care who you are, I don't care where you 677 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: can go. There's always someone willing to extend themselves to 678 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: help you be your best self. And that alone should 679 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: be inspirational enough for you to want to be the 680 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: best that you can be, because you'll owe it not 681 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: just to yourself, but to them. And that's how you 682 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: make the world a better place, because it's not just 683 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: about getting to that place, it's about having recall and 684 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: remembering those folks helped you. I gotta go, I gotta 685 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: wrap things up. I love the book. I want everybody 686 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: to get a copy of it. It's called Straight Shooter, 687 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: A memoir of second chances and first takes. The one 688 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: and only Stephen A. Smith. Appreciate your man that. I 689 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: can't believe. We've been friends of us long, and I 690 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't know a lot of this. Amazon dot com, Hannity 691 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: dot com, bookstores, everywhere else of next week, all right, 692 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll change gears, back to politics 693 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: and the other issues of the day.