WEBVTT - Inauguration: Who All ‘Gon Be There? 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.080 Native Lampard is the production of iHeartRadio and partnership with 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:04.439 Reisent Choice Media. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.280 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.480 Welcome, Welcome. For every mountain side, let freedom ring. And 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:20.959 when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.040 let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.440 every state and every city, we will be able to 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.080 speed up that day with all of God's children, black 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.520 men and white men, jos and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.479 will be able to join hands and sing in the 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.120 words of the old Negro spiritual Free at last, pre 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:54.480 ad Last, Thanks God Almighty, we are pre Admas Well. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:55.800 Welcome home, everybody. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.959 This is a very special edition of the Native Land 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.800 Podcast because it is Martin Luther King Day. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.000 Nothing else important is happening today. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.479 All we care about is the dream that doctor King 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.360 once had that appears to be coming in the form 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:10.399 of a nightmare. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:11.280 On this very day. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.080 But I won't say what that nightmare is. I'll allow 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.080 my calls to do that. I'm answer the rhy. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.160 I'm here with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:22.199 You guys, what could possibly be ruining doctor King's dream 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:23.360 for America. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.200 Today, Well, I just want to say just really quick 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.640 back and I love that we came into doctor King's 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.720 word free at last, Free at last, because that and 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:38.800 Angela is gowned appropriately in her MLK gear today, because 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.679 that really is had such credo to black folks. That 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.080 is what we have, It is our birthright, it is 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.760 what we arrived in this country seeking. You know, we 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.560 were free beings who were kidnapped, rates have the humanity 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.240 beat out of us, and so for so long in 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.560 this country we have sought freedom. And so to hear 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.640 those iconic words every year, I still get goose bumps. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.520 I still I remember when The Cosby Show did a 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.280 special episode and they played those words. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:08.560 It just it means so much to me. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.680 So my honor and respect to the King family today 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.280 and your work and your sacrifice. Special shout out to 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.600 doctor Burneath King who stay woke and stay out there 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.240 carrying on her father's legacy. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:23.840 It is striking Angela. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:30.680 I'm heartbroken that inauguration is taking place on Mlkday because 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.200 the Republican and conservative right wing MAGGA extremists are so 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:41.120 skilled at co opting his words and perverting them to 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.440 promote ideas, ideals and ideology that he did not stand for. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.919 They always cherry pick his language when really he has 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.440 some pretty quote unquote woke language out there and holds 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.200 a lot of conservative white people to account, and they 0:02:55.240 --> 0:03:00.360 never play those So I'm disgusted that inauguration is has 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:01.280 taking place today. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:02.680 It's heartbreaking. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.240 Yeah, it is the worst kind of oxymoron, Andrew. I'm 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.720 eager to hear what our resident diplomat has to say 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.639 about this horrific occasion on such a very special day 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.119 moday that we had to fight for, by the way, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.880 even fight John McCain, who I probably would prefer being 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.239 inaugurated at this point. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:21.359 If he was. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.160 You know what, I appreciate one about MLK Day, but 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.840 Martinuther King and the civil rights movement and struggle, the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.720 struggle toward our collective liberation, and it didn't start at 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.800 the Civil rights movement. It dates back back, back, far back. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.600 And what I know is true about it is that 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:46.880 the words, the hymns, the prayers prayed from then to 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.720 now have always been aspirational. They've never been just about 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:57.000 the moment that we're in. And I think for survival purposes, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.640 our ancestors had to project bright the future, a day 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.200 of freedom, a day when we could decide, a day 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:11.120 when there'll be no more sorrow, no more pain. You know. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.560 I just think about the songs and the hymns that 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.400 carried us over, the speeches, the words, the poems that 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.240 have carried us have almost always always spoken truth to 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.200 what the moment is, and then try to take us higher, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.560 try to take us, lift us out of our grief 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:34.120 into a higher plane. And so I'm acknowledging this day 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.280 as another one of those days that while reality may 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.279 feel bleak, while on one screen we might have the 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:47.880 Devil incarnate and his crew about to take the helm, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:52.000 we also still have the example of Doctor King, of 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:57.160 our freedom, fighters, of our movement, leaders, of our ancestors. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.839 To put our attention on something higher. And I really 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:06.160 I'm clasping to that, y'all, because the right now can 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.760 feel really defeated. The right now, this moment can feel 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.000 like a letdown. It can feel like god Lee, I 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.440 thought we had made so much progress and today feels 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:21.040 like a complete and total throwback. And it does. But 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:26.479 I also know that progress is almost always followed by 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:34.159 this kind of a reflexive verberation, and then in a 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.640 few years, be they two, be they four. You know, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.400 we whiplash the next direction, and all kinds of progress 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.159 can be made. I just think for me, I'm making 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.800 it by lifting up out of what's today and embracing 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.479 what's today for the future. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.839 Well, my neck urge from whiplash, so hopefully we don't 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.120 have to keep doing it. Yeah, I'm curious. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.560 American struggle, the Black Americans. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.760 Struggle, especially black and I'm just am tired. I would 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.520 like to if we can't, speaking of Black Americans, go 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.320 into something that we talk about often and ask who 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.560 all gonna be there? And so Andrew's talking about a 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:18.160 throwback talk about My argument is that you are our 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.039 resident Barack Obama, uh, and Tiffany is our resident Michelle Obama, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.360 not because y'all married, but because this is these are 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.039 the two houses in which y'all sit. I feel like 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.839 I don't think so okay, well let's see, because I 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.840 feel like you had the biggest argument for why Joe 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:40.200 Biden should have invited Donald Trump into the White House, whereas. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.840 The Boss should have I should have What do you 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:48.599 mean I don't have an argument about that? Period. To 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.440 be quite honest, I know it came fiercely down, but 0:06:53.760 --> 0:07:02.200 I thought presidents have for traditional purposes this symbolic after 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.920 the election passing of the torch, we're leaving and you're 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:10.480 coming in. And it didn't to me read as a 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:17.720 complete and total collapse of of I don't know protocol. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.200 It's just okay, well that's. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.760 What I understood you to be saying, Andrews. So I 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.000 want you to correct me if I'm wrong. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:29.680 Is that yes, that that is the people elected Donald Trump, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.960 and it is protocol for the president to invite him 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.559 to the White House, and that should happen. That should 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.400 not be disrupted just because we don't like the election results. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.640 Do I Well, fundamentally, I don't think they're different. I 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.920 just said I didn't bring I would not make an 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.400 argument Joe Biden, you how to invite such and such 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.680 and such and such. I'm also not going to lay 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.640 down on the train tracks over him having done so 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.400 by keeping with tradition, we just ran a race about democracy, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:04.240 the the need to not change our opinions on what's 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.880 right based off of who gets elected. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.600 But people should go to inauguration. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.920 No, I wouldn't encourage people to go. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:16.920 I'm sorry, I don't mean people like gen pop presidents 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.320 sit on that dais and watch him be sworn in. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.520 I think former presidents can choose to do that and 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.600 keeping with the tradition and the peaceful transfer. I, however, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.960 believe that their wives, family members, or anybody else is 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.839 obligated to the same. Michelle Obama never took an oath 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:43.559 of office to the United States of America. I want 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.640 to buy. The reason why that's important to me is 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:50.280 because we should have a bifurcation of a bifurcation should 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:55.200 exist between what are these traditions that are held because 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.920 of constitutional purposes and then individuals who just make a choice. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.600 I don't know what the Constitution says about presidents being 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:08.280 invited former presidents being invited to the oval or especially 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.880 when they're threats to democracy, or what it says about 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.040 presidents having to attend inauguration. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.040 I've never seen that. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.760 But I guess what I'm curious about before we get to. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.320 The whyll transfer? 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.600 Okay, how do you peacefully transfer power to someone who 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.920 you say is a threat to democracy. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:31.640 By keeping with the traditions of the office that inert 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.280 to the same which is, you know what, we win 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.720 this election. We competed. The election is now over. There 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.440 is one president at one time, and that will be 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.480 that son. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:48.160 Another tradition is the vice president normally invites the incoming 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.160 vice president to the Naval Observatory for a tour so 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.120 they can see where they'll be residing before they take office. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.000 Kamala Harris did not do that. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:04.480 Well, I think we Kama Harris provided presided vice president. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.679 Kamala Harris provided over the opening of the electoral vote 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.520 and the counting of the electoral votes in the authentication 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.600 process of the man who defeated her in the race 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.120 for the presidency. As far as I'm concerned, she has 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.280 hailed with the traditions of her office, and. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:23.520 That's not true, right. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.360 I just I think that she didn't that is her 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:32.200 constitutional responsibility success. I'm sorry I didn't say anything about 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.880 her presiding over the Senate. I was. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.760 That's what I said, because that's what I think is important. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:37.640 I understand. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:39.480 I don't care about the visit. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:40.079 I understand. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.240 Okay, so that's what I'm curious about. I don't know 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.360 why you're you don't care about that visit, but you 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.839 do care about the other visit. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:47.960 I didn't care about the other visit either, you did. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.760 I just happened to disagree with your conclusion. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.040 Well, Andrew, I get the point that you're taking because 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:58.199 you're you're I think what you're saying is, I'm not advocating. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.480 I'm not out there like Joe Biden, you better invite 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.920 don Trump. But the fact that he did, You're like, okay, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.319 that that is traditional. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.160 So this is to me, this. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:14.000 Gets to the heart of the conversation, because yes, it 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.520 is tradition, that is what happens. And what I think 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.040 Angela and I are saying is but he is a threat. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.680 He himself is a threat to democracy. I think the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.240 question that's more philosophical than it is political, is that 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.480 is how we feel what happens when a Democrat gets 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.080 elected and they say this democrat is a threat to democracy. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.000 Not that any of us are mouthpieces for the party, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.360 but there were people who felt like President Obama was 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.960 a threat to democracy. There were people who felt like 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.600 President Biden was a threat to democracy. There are people 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.800 who would have felt had Vice President Kamala Harris become 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.559 president elected, that she would have been a threat to democracy. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.000 So in keeping with that, and I don't think these 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.520 are I think it is a false equivalency to talk 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.240 about what republicans and how they are a threat to 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.640 democracy andmocrats. So I'm not trying to compare the two, 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.400 but I think it gets to the heart of the 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.680 question of how much do we want to play by 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:12.080 the rules here in anticipation that one day the vowels 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.040 of power will shift and the expectation that we. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.880 Have right as they always do. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:17.520 I got it. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.720 I'm like, go the rules out right. That is the thing. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.640 People presuppose that this is just a normal time. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.280 Republicans in our office is going to be bad four 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.640 years and I'm saying, ring the alarm, this is not normal. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.880 I say, throw out the rules. That's what they did. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:35.439 They threw out the rules. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.000 They just decided this is not it. They treated it 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.920 like the pixie dust it is. So my thought is, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:47.080 let's imagine this democracy as a blank slate. F you inauguration. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.959 I'm not going to if I'm President Obama, I ain't 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:50.880 about to sit it you inauguration on MLKA. Then I 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.760 want my daughters to know I stood up on this 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.840 day and said if that I ain't there. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.920 The way Obama. I know he won't, but but it'd 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.040 be different to me if Obama, as in the first case, 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.960 were transitioning the presidency from himself to mister Trump. He did. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.800 He showed up, as did Michelle. She was very much 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.600 so not happy to be there. We could all read 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.280 that on her face and demeanor, right, But he, as 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.559 far as I'm concerned, held to his part of the bargain. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:27.120 Trump and his loser ass attitude didn't have what was 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.120 required to do the same for his successor, and all 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.679 I'm guys the reason why. So first of all, let 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.640 me finish this point. So, as far as I'm concerned, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.840 previous presidents who are not the current sitting office holder 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.520 are free to do whatever it is they want to 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.360 do there. They are no law. They are not a 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.520 threat to democracy because they no longer attend the inaugurations 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.400 of the party they disagree with. That's that's that's a 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.400 that's a fair choice. I came down, however, on the 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.600 side of if you are the sitting president and your 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.000 pat and you are transitioning between administrations, that we have 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.320 to we have to show that there can be some 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:07.880 reconciliation here, because, like your point and I don't mean reconciliation, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.880 like we all agree and we're we're holding hands on 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.000 and skipping in whatever down the stage. But this is 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.000 what it sets us up for. If we can just 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.080 decide we don't like the person, and therefore we no 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.360 longer have to respect any of the rules are guard rails, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.720 the same will happen to us, and so on and 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.480 so forth, and so on and so forth. And I 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.080 think what's been what what there is about this democracy 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.960 that is defendable is that at the end of the day, 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.880 we don't have to torch the country because we lost 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.440 in a transaction of an election, all right, got to 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.200 that's that's that's, that's it. And I get that there 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.440 is a sentiment to throw out all the rules, to 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.680 buck into this and the say f you, and let 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.480 that message be resounding. And I find myself terified of 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.400 the consequences of that when it comes down on us. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.720 I'm curious your thoughts of Angelo, because that's I mean, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.640 that is an institutionalist, that's a traditionalist. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:07.920 What are you? 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:08.760 What are your thoughts? 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.960 Yes, and I respect that's what I call I call 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.840 Andrew often jokingly our resident diplomat, but he's always going 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.840 to take the high road and do what isn't necessary 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.520 to preserve the institution. I'm making the argument that by 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.560 virtue of this man's elections, the institutions are gone. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.840 I'm making the go ahead. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.520 No, I just wanted to correct myself and say, I 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.400 believe some institutions need to be leveled. So it's not 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.920 protect the institution at all costs. It's not protect the 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.240 institution because what there. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.200 Was to be leveled, I just don't know if they're 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.720 going to be leveled in the way that you would like. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.040 And I think, well, but but by advocacy before, if 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.440 there is a thing that needs to be taken away 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.200 to be leveled, it ought to be leveled and put 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.520 energy into that. But I'm not going to put energy 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.920 into the things that to me are not on the 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.480 whole importance. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.120 Okay, here's the consequential. Here's my thought. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.640 I think that we have and I'm saying I feel 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.400 like I've been lied to. I feel like I've been betrayed. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.680 I feel like when people told me that there was 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.120 sound evidence to support that Donald Trump is a threat 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.000 to democracy and his election would need the end of 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.280 the thing that we know is imperfect, but that we 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.360 are since our ancestors were here, have been working to 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.600 better even when it didn't benefit us. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.480 If it is truly an. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.920 Endto democracy, I don't understand how you welcome that into 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.800 your house. I don't understand how you welcome that into 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.640 the bodies of government. I don't understand any of that. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.280 I don't understand how you clear the pathway for him 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.440 not to serve time in prison. I don't understand how 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.480 you have strong evidence to support a conviction for him, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.040 and you don't work to ensure that the day. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.120 Of justice or that justice has served. I don't understand that. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.520 What I think, what I think is the problem now 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.080 is that there are a number of people who are 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.800 watching Barack Obama at Jimmy Carter's funeral, talking to Donald 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.480 Trump NonStop, who are seeing that he's at the inauguration, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:17.359 who understood, who understand that Michelle Obama stood her ground 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.399 and did not attend for another reason. Who understand that 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.919 Kamala Harris, who was called trash by jd Vance, did 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.320 not welcome her into her home until it's time for 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600 her to move out. I think that we are saying 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.000 one thing, asking people to stand with us and saying 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.280 that thing and doing something very different, and that is 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.240 more dangerous than the threat that Donald Trump could ever be, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.280 because what happens is you lose credibility with people because 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:43.800 you don't look honest. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.320 I feel lied to because. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.480 Everything that I've seen says that this man does not 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.200 care about the rules. The fact that Elon Musk will 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.000 have an office on the White House campus, the. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.720 Fact that tech companies writ Lodge large bought their way 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.920 into Donald Trump's pockets by funding the inauguration, that Coke 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.240 gave him the first commemorative inauguration bottle, like the way 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.480 that these these companies left and right are throwing out DEI, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.800 we are not acknowledging the true threat he is. If 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.320 our leaders, the people we've elected, the people that we've 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.080 campaigned for, the folks that our parents and everybody else 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.280 has donated to, are no longer saying the same thing, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.440 that is far more dangerous than. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.639 Any constitutional protection we could ever have. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.679 It is far more dangerous than any area of decorum 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.520 thing that we could say is just the right thing 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.800 to do. Damn that I'm not welcoming the devil into 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.480 my house. The Bible says resist the devil and he 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.640 will flee from you. Then we got to resist get 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:43.000 the break. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.040 I want to get on the other side. Well, on 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.560 the other side of this break, I want to get 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.320 into who's not going to be there, and that is 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.200 forever flowed as Michelle Obama, and I want to remind 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.520 our viewers how she feels about Donald Trump and why 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.600 she might not be there. And I want to get 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.920 back in some more of what you had to say, 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:01.160 so we'll see you on our side. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.680 We will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:32.359 wealth if we bankrupt the business. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.080 If we bankrupt the business. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.720 Or choke in a crisis, we don't get a second, third. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:40.520 Or fourth chance. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.119 If things don't go our way. We don't have the 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:50.040 luxury of whining or cheating others to get further ahead. No, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.240 we don't get to change the rules, so we always win. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.280 If we see a mountain in front of us, we 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.000 don't expect there to be an escalator waiting to take 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:02.800 us to the top. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:12.119 No, we put our heads down. We get to work. 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.800 In America, we do something. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.400 So those, of course, were the words forever flows Michelle Obama, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.080 who tossed the deuce of city inauguration today, she said, 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.119 count me out. I ain't got com I love that 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.159 so many people have been sending around all these pictures 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.119 of Michelle Obama talking about if I'll send you this, 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:36.280 I ain't coming. She she is me, I am her. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.480 I would not be there. And I think this is 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.760 kind of the point Angela was making, because Angela, some 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.320 of the things that you were talking about, and someone 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.879 from across the aisle someone could say those are policy differences, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.760 like DEI, you could say, those are policy differences, not 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:57.080 necessarily a threat. That is, that is like the baseline 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.800 of how they're threatening us. The more scary thing, I 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.240 think is what you talked about about the tech companies 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.640 and what they touched and how they have bought their 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.520 way into this administration, which quite frankly, we have not 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.359 dug into deep enough. I don't mean we native Land, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.439 I mean we the country. We the constituents of America, 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.840 have not examined that very dangerous relationship, the threat that 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.040 we are on the global stage with all of these 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:22.640 people who are inept leading these agencies. So I think 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:27.080 you had raised a really good point about normalizing this 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.119 when we see people normally, when you are engaging with 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.399 this man who questioned your very citizenship, who said that 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.320 you were born in Kenya, who disrespected key key after that, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.200 And you know what it reminds me of. I'll tell 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.080 y'all which y'all all of us can appreciate. In the 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.680 green room on some of these cable news hits, okay, 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:51.119 there are people who are MAGA extremists, Trump apologists, and 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.720 they're on with people who you know are democratic exposed people, 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:56.919 people on the left, and in the green room they 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.200 all ki ki in and hahan and oh oh. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.080 Did you you and your family went here? Blah blah blah. 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:01.760 I won't tell you. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.360 I never did that shit in my life. I wasn't 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.120 never out there performing. I wasn't playing no character, ain't 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:08.600 no key key. I don't give a damn with you 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.520 and your family did over the weekend. I'm not talking 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.280 to you about it. We can talk about policy when 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:15.720 we get on air. You're not my friend, I'm not 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.040 trying to reach across the aisle. You're not my good 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.840 distinguished person. And sometimes I think those performative antics do 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.679 more harm to our democracy by pretending the thing that 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.359 we see, the clear and present danger that is before 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.639