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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome. For every mountain side, let freedom ring. And

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Speaker 3: when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we

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Speaker 3: let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from

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Speaker 3: every state and every city, we will be able to

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Speaker 3: speed up that day with all of God's children, black

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Speaker 3: men and white men, jos and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics

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Speaker 3: will be able to join hands and sing in the

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Speaker 3: words of the old Negro spiritual Free at last, pre

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Speaker 3: ad Last, Thanks God Almighty, we are pre Admas Well.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home, everybody.

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Speaker 5: This is a very special edition of the Native Land

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Speaker 5: Podcast because it is Martin Luther King Day.

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Speaker 4: Nothing else important is happening today.

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Speaker 5: All we care about is the dream that doctor King

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Speaker 5: once had that appears to be coming in the form

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Speaker 5: of a nightmare.

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Speaker 4: On this very day.

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Speaker 5: But I won't say what that nightmare is. I'll allow

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Speaker 5: my calls to do that. I'm answer the rhy.

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim.

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Speaker 5: You guys, what could possibly be ruining doctor King's dream

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Speaker 5: for America.

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Speaker 1: Today, Well, I just want to say just really quick

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Speaker 1: back and I love that we came into doctor King's

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Speaker 1: word free at last, Free at last, because that and

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Speaker 1: Angela is gowned appropriately in her MLK gear today, because

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Speaker 1: that really is had such credo to black folks. That

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Speaker 1: is what we have, It is our birthright, it is

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Speaker 1: what we arrived in this country seeking. You know, we

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Speaker 1: were free beings who were kidnapped, rates have the humanity

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Speaker 1: beat out of us, and so for so long in

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Speaker 1: this country we have sought freedom. And so to hear

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Speaker 1: those iconic words every year, I still get goose bumps.

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Speaker 1: I still I remember when The Cosby Show did a

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Speaker 1: special episode and they played those words.

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Speaker 6: It just it means so much to me.

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Speaker 1: So my honor and respect to the King family today

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Speaker 1: and your work and your sacrifice. Special shout out to

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Speaker 1: doctor Burneath King who stay woke and stay out there

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Speaker 1: carrying on her father's legacy.

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Speaker 6: It is striking Angela.

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Speaker 1: I'm heartbroken that inauguration is taking place on Mlkday because

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Speaker 1: the Republican and conservative right wing MAGGA extremists are so

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Speaker 1: skilled at co opting his words and perverting them to

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Speaker 1: promote ideas, ideals and ideology that he did not stand for.

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Speaker 1: They always cherry pick his language when really he has

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Speaker 1: some pretty quote unquote woke language out there and holds

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Speaker 1: a lot of conservative white people to account, and they

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Speaker 1: never play those So I'm disgusted that inauguration is has

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Speaker 6: It's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is the worst kind of oxymoron, Andrew. I'm

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Speaker 5: eager to hear what our resident diplomat has to say

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Speaker 5: about this horrific occasion on such a very special day

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Speaker 5: moday that we had to fight for, by the way,

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Speaker 5: even fight John McCain, who I probably would prefer being

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Speaker 4: If he was.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I appreciate one about MLK Day, but

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Speaker 2: Martinuther King and the civil rights movement and struggle, the

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Speaker 2: struggle toward our collective liberation, and it didn't start at

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Speaker 2: the Civil rights movement. It dates back back, back, far back.

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Speaker 2: And what I know is true about it is that

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Speaker 2: the words, the hymns, the prayers prayed from then to

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Speaker 2: now have always been aspirational. They've never been just about

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Speaker 2: the moment that we're in. And I think for survival purposes,

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Speaker 2: our ancestors had to project bright the future, a day

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Speaker 2: I just think about the songs and the hymns that

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Speaker 2: what the moment is, and then try to take us higher,

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Speaker 2: we also still have the example of Doctor King, of

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Speaker 2: To put our attention on something higher. And I really

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Speaker 2: I'm clasping to that, y'all, because the right now can

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Speaker 2: like a letdown. It can feel like god Lee, I

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Speaker 2: like a complete and total throwback. And it does. But

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Speaker 2: I also know that progress is almost always followed by

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Speaker 2: can be made. I just think for me, I'm making

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Speaker 2: it by lifting up out of what's today and embracing

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Speaker 5: Well, my neck urge from whiplash, so hopefully we don't

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Speaker 5: have to keep doing it. Yeah, I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: American struggle, the Black Americans.

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Speaker 5: Struggle, especially black and I'm just am tired. I would

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Speaker 5: like to if we can't, speaking of Black Americans, go

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Speaker 5: all gonna be there? And so Andrew's talking about a

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Speaker 5: throwback talk about My argument is that you are our

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Speaker 5: resident Barack Obama, uh, and Tiffany is our resident Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 5: not because y'all married, but because this is these are

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Speaker 5: I don't think so okay, well let's see, because I

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Speaker 5: feel like you had the biggest argument for why Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden should have invited Donald Trump into the White House, whereas.

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Speaker 2: The Boss should have I should have What do you

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Speaker 2: mean I don't have an argument about that? Period. To

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Speaker 2: be quite honest, I know it came fiercely down, but

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Speaker 2: I thought presidents have for traditional purposes this symbolic after

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Speaker 2: coming in. And it didn't to me read as a

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Speaker 2: complete and total collapse of of I don't know protocol.

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Speaker 2: It's just okay, well that's.

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Speaker 6: What I understood you to be saying, Andrews. So I

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Speaker 6: want you to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Is that yes, that that is the people elected Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and it is protocol for the president to invite him

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Speaker 1: to the White House, and that should happen. That should

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Speaker 1: not be disrupted just because we don't like the election results.

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Speaker 2: Do I Well, fundamentally, I don't think they're different. I

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Speaker 2: just said I didn't bring I would not make an

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Speaker 2: by keeping with tradition, we just ran a race about democracy,

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Speaker 6: But people should go to inauguration.

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't encourage people to go.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't mean people like gen pop presidents

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Speaker 2: I think former presidents can choose to do that and

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Speaker 2: keeping with the tradition and the peaceful transfer. I, however,

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Speaker 2: believe that their wives, family members, or anybody else is

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Speaker 2: because we should have a bifurcation of a bifurcation should

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the Constitution says about presidents being

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Speaker 5: invited former presidents being invited to the oval or especially

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Speaker 4: I've never seen that.

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Speaker 5: But I guess what I'm curious about before we get to.

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Speaker 2: The whyll transfer?

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Speaker 5: Okay, how do you peacefully transfer power to someone who

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Speaker 2: By keeping with the traditions of the office that inert

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Speaker 2: this election. We competed. The election is now over. There

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Speaker 5: Another tradition is the vice president normally invites the incoming

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris did not do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we Kama Harris provided presided vice president.

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Speaker 4: That's not true, right.

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Speaker 5: I just I think that she didn't that is her

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Speaker 5: constitutional responsibility success. I'm sorry I didn't say anything about

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Speaker 2: That's what I said, because that's what I think is important.

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Speaker 4: I understand.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about the visit.

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Speaker 4: I understand.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that's what I'm curious about. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I didn't care about the other visit either, you did.

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Speaker 2: I just happened to disagree with your conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, I get the point that you're taking because

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Speaker 1: I'm not out there like Joe Biden, you better invite

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Speaker 6: So this is to me, this.

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Speaker 1: Gets to the heart of the conversation, because yes, it

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Speaker 1: Angela and I are saying is but he is a threat.

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Speaker 1: He himself is a threat to democracy. I think the

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Speaker 1: Not that any of us are mouthpieces for the party,

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Speaker 1: but there were people who felt like President Obama was

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Speaker 1: So in keeping with that, and I don't think these

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Speaker 1: are I think it is a false equivalency to talk

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Speaker 1: the rules here in anticipation that one day the vowels

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Speaker 6: Have right as they always do.

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, go the rules out right. That is the thing.

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Speaker 6: People presuppose that this is just a normal time.

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Speaker 1: Republicans in our office is going to be bad four

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Speaker 6: I say, throw out the rules. That's what they did.

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Speaker 6: They threw out the rules.

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Speaker 1: They just decided this is not it. They treated it

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Speaker 1: let's imagine this democracy as a blank slate. F you inauguration.

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Speaker 5: Endto democracy, I don't understand how you welcome that into

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Speaker 4: Of justice or that justice has served. I don't understand that.

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Speaker 5: Everything that I've seen says that this man does not

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Speaker 5: It is far more dangerous than any area of decorum

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Speaker 8: We will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational

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Speaker 8: Or choke in a crisis, we don't get a second, third.

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Speaker 8: If things don't go our way. We don't have the

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Speaker 6: No, we put our heads down. We get to work.

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Speaker 1: So those, of course, were the words forever flows Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 2: For the games. I love that about her, and I

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Speaker 2: not that not a tradition.

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Speaker 3: She did.

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Speaker 2: She held her Are we mad at her because she

442
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Speaker 2: presided over the accounting of the electoral vogus?

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Speaker 5: I wish that she would have been more contentious about it, sure,

444
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Speaker 5: but no, I'm not mad at her for doing what

445
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Speaker 5: was her obligation. I think there's obligation and decorum.

446
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Speaker 2: Though we both we both signaled that the difference, which

447
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Speaker 2: is I can't give it a about t at the House.

448
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Speaker 2: I didn't give a damn about at the House first

449
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Speaker 2: time either with Vice President with Biden. What I care

450
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Speaker 2: about is that we don't get to throw out the

451
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Speaker 2: guard rails simply because we remember.

452
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Speaker 4: It's not that we lost.

453
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Speaker 5: It's like, I want to make sure that we're really

454
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Speaker 5: clear about the fact that this isn't and George W.

455
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 5: Bush felt like an existential crisis too, right, George W.

456
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Speaker 4: Bush, this isn't.

457
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Speaker 2: That was the example I was about to go to, Yeah, it's.

458
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Speaker 4: It's it felt like that, But.

459
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Speaker 2: This is, this is democratic.

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Speaker 5: This is this is still very That was awful, and

461
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Speaker 5: this is still very different. If we listen to the

462
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Speaker 5: campaign ads that were run, if we listened to the

463
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Speaker 5: rhetoric of every talking head, every spokesperson, every surrogate for

464
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Speaker 5: the campaign, if we listened to the Vice President herself

465
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Speaker 5: in the debates, if we listened to Joe Biden talk

466
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Speaker 5: about this man in twenty twenty when he ran against

467
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, this is very different, or all of that

468
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 5: was a lie, And so we have to come to

469
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Speaker 5: terms with the fact that either he is a threat

470
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Speaker 5: to democracy and we treat him the same way we

471
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Speaker 5: would teach any treat any other world leader that is

472
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Speaker 5: a threat to democracy, or he's not.

473
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Speaker 4: But we can't have it both ways.

474
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Speaker 2: Well, But so first of all, I don't I don't

475
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Speaker 2: disagree with you, which is why I think people have

476
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Speaker 2: to be really careful about rhetoric. You have to be

477
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Speaker 2: very careful about the words that come out your mouth

478
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Speaker 2: and how you assign them to other people. But that

479
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Speaker 2: being said, we don't if he is going to assume

480
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Speaker 2: all of the levers of power, it does us no

481
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Speaker 2: good to go underground and pretend that he won't be

482
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Speaker 2: making these decisions he and his administration for the next

483
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Speaker 2: four years that impact us. I no, I get it.

484
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Speaker 2: But but we're to what end. I guess what I

485
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Speaker 2: guess in what end?

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Speaker 5: I think that Andrew we Here's here's the part where

487
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just say. This is where I feel like

488
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Speaker 5: Republicans have balls. I think they have balls on the

489
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Speaker 5: wrong things. I think their balls are false. But here's

490
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Speaker 5: where I think they have balls. I think that if

491
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Speaker 5: the roles were reversed, were reversed, and they really thought

492
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Speaker 5: that this person that was elected that beat their team

493
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Speaker 5: was a threat to democracy, there would be more of

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Speaker 5: a proachest. I'm not suggesting in January sixth, what's gonna

495
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Speaker 5: be my next point, But what I'm saying is there

496
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Speaker 5: is a difference between tearing up your own house and

497
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Speaker 5: saying these are the ways in which I won't engage

498
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Speaker 5: with you because you are a threat to everything I

499
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Speaker 5: stand for. And I just think that we say that

500
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Speaker 5: with the rhetoric, We say that at rallies, we say

501
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Speaker 5: that in debates.

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Speaker 4: But when it's come time, it comes time for.

503
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Speaker 5: A leader to have passed away, to pass the baton,

504
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Speaker 5: we'd be like, good job, man. It's not an NBA

505
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: playoff game. This ain't the finals. Like this is not

506
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Speaker 5: just like the better team won. That's not what this is.

507
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Speaker 5: It's very different. We are going into a war for

508
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Speaker 5: our livelihood. We know, you know from the last administration.

509
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Speaker 4: What's at stake. You were a target.

510
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Speaker 6: This is not.

511
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Speaker 5: Somebody who you welcome into your space and say, now,

512
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Speaker 5: how can I make this transition easier for you?

513
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Speaker 4: That no.

514
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Speaker 2: So my question, I guess back to the two of you,

515
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Speaker 2: is when the election is over and the new administration

516
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Speaker 2: is sworn into office. Is the argument then to people

517
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Speaker 2: to not engage any That's.

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Speaker 1: What I'm but no, I don't think you're saying That's

519
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Speaker 1: what you're saying is but that. But that is a

520
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Speaker 1: question to talk about because and that's legitimate, because that's

521
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Speaker 1: what happened the first time around. He was inviting Steve

522
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Speaker 1: Harvey for some dumbfuck reason to talk about policy, Like,

523
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Speaker 1: I hope that people don't let their hubris lead them

524
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Speaker 1: into an office that they don't belong.

525
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Speaker 6: But that is the question.

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Speaker 1: If you know, if you're there to advocate, if you're

527
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Speaker 1: there to fight, do you show up to the meeting?

528
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Speaker 1: Do you meet with his sick of fans? Do you

529
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Speaker 1: meet with his cabinet members? Try to, you know, sway

530
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Speaker 1: them to your side, knowing that it probably won't happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the answer to that question, Andrew. Honestly,

532
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Speaker 1: my immediate thought, without giving it its due consideration, is no,

533
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Speaker 1: because I don't think that you can squeeze justice from

534
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Speaker 1: this turn up. I don't think that these are people

535
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Speaker 1: who are good actors. I don't think that they are

536
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Speaker 1: acting in good faith, So I would say no. But

537
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Speaker 1: what do you say do you disagree.

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Speaker 2: Well, we talked before about, for instance, the common cause

539
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Speaker 2: that might exist on some level of policy around the

540
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Speaker 2: Justice Department accountability being you know, there were some things

541
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Speaker 2: that I think, while they may have arrived at their

542
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: position for the wrong reasons, we know them to be

543
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Speaker 2: costly and devastating and life disruptive, if not ending, for

544
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Speaker 2: our communities. And so if the window exists for us

545
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Speaker 2: to level that part of the system, do we walk

546
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Speaker 2: through that door or not. I don't believe that you

547
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Speaker 2: participate in stagecraft. I don't believe that you are. I

548
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: don't think you willingly and ignorantly go into into being

549
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Speaker 2: a prompt. It's why I refuse to do a post

550
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Speaker 2: meeting after I lost. We're not sitting down to talk

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Speaker 2: about my agenda and what advice I have. I've never

552
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Speaker 2: been governor. I can't give you advice on what that

553
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: looks like. And you rejected my agenda during the course

554
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Speaker 2: of this race. There's no progress to be had there. No,

555
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit down with you for it

556
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Speaker 2: would be a useful idiot.

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Speaker 1: If he says I want to talk to you about

558
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Speaker 1: a black agenda, would you sit down and talk so

559
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Speaker 1: so here's.

560
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Speaker 2: The thing without preconditions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's the important part. What we

562
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Speaker 5: know about Donald Trump from the last administration, and sadly

563
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Speaker 5: that's all I have to go on is he loves

564
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Speaker 5: to have the conversations for the photo op. I'll never

565
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Speaker 5: forget that meeting with all those HBCU presidents piled into

566
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Speaker 5: the Oval office looking like Sardine's.

567
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Speaker 4: It was humiliating.

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Speaker 5: So I think for me, what I would what I

569
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Speaker 5: would have to acknowledge is I'm not likely a voice

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Speaker 5: that he can hear from. I am not opposed, as

571
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Speaker 5: you guys know, to being behind the scenes figuring out

572
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Speaker 5: who those spokespeople are somebody who wasn't as somebody who

573
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Speaker 5: wasn't as critical of his agenda as somebody who he

574
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Speaker 5: thinks might be a friend.

575
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Speaker 4: But they're actually.

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Speaker 5: Gonna be a Frederick Douglass to an Abraham Lincoln kind

577
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Speaker 5: of a maybe there's that. I'm definitely not opposed to

578
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Speaker 5: figuring out how we get our stuff across the finish line,

579
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: because I'll be honest with you, I am so disappointed

580
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 5: by the Biden administration and the last and final days

581
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: and how our stuff wasn't handled. So if there's an

582
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Speaker 5: opening in the Trump administration. By all means, let's strategize.

583
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Speaker 5: That does not mean that I want to go tomorrow Lago,

584
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Speaker 5: key key, and ro Smores with your ass.

585
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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.

586
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: So I think it's different, And I do like that

587
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Speaker 5: stretch of like, well, what would it take for us

588
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: to get there? Who are those players? Who are those people?

589
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: What's on the agenda? Our genda changes nineteen seventy two

590
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Speaker 5: would arguably since eighteen sixty four, you know, like it

591
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: has been the same, and it is. It is freedom,

592
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: and we are still striving for it is. It is

593
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Speaker 5: not here, and it is not lasting. It is but

594
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: for a moment, and it is far too fleeting. We

595
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: have an agenda that we need to get accomplished. That

596
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: as black liberation at all caps. The CBC says, no

597
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.

598
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Speaker 4: We got to see if we can ride that thing out.

599
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: But right now I'm hot this hell, and I probably

600
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Speaker 5: should not be the person y'all send it to the oval.

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Speaker 6: I'm just all right, Well, let's take it. Let's take

602
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Speaker 6: a quick break.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On the other side of this, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about protests because what is also happening today, there are

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Speaker 1: protests across the city.

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Speaker 6: What you will not see is a lot of black.

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Speaker 1: People at this protest. So we should get into that

609
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the break'll get me into

610
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Speaker 1: a chance to cool down, because she how cool? All right,

611
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Speaker 1: we're back. So I look, I the first pussy hat

612
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Speaker 1: I see. I'm rolling my eyes at it, like y'all

613
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Speaker 1: got it.

614
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Speaker 4: If it wasn't a thought, i'd smack it off, right.

615
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Speaker 1: I just I don't care about it. I'm not protesting

616
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Speaker 1: on this day. I am enjoying time with our community

617
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Speaker 1: with Michael Harriet about the dream.

618
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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly exactly.

619
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Speaker 1: I just and but I think this kind of goes

620
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Speaker 1: to what you were saying, Angela about engaging like you're

621
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Speaker 1: still in the fight. You're willing to sit down with

622
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Speaker 1: them and figure out strategically what it is. I have

623
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Speaker 1: to say. I'm I'm probably to the left of you

624
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Speaker 1: on that. I don't want to even do that. I

625
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Speaker 1: don't want to sit across from these people. I think

626
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Speaker 1: people like you probably should, you know, but.

627
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Speaker 4: I said I should not go. I said I was

628
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Speaker 4: sending people in.

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Speaker 1: But behind that, like you, you can behind the scenes

630
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Speaker 1: try to advance something. I just don't trust these people,

631
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that there. I don't know

632
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: what areas we could find common ground on and work

633
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Speaker 1: on something. I think I'd rather put all my energy

634
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Speaker 1: and effort into protecting the community, because you know, that's

635
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: where the most harm comes. Unfortunately, FBI, we talked about

636
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Speaker 1: that before.

637
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Speaker 5: If they're talking about agetting, and this was Andrew's point,

638
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Speaker 5: I think earlier on there are.

639
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: Some institutions that should be level because they've never seen this.

640
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Speaker 1: But but I think I'm very clear when they talk

641
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Speaker 1: about level in the FBI cash Hotel, is no talking

642
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: about we got to crush operations like cointel prone. We

643
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: can't do that. He's talking about how can we weaponize

644
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: these institutions to serve our King, Donald Trump. We don't

645
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: have a president, ladies and gentlemen, we have a king,

646
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Speaker 1: and that is what we are are looking at in

647
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: this landscape. I don't want to participate in it, and

648
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that and protect our

649
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Speaker 1: people at the same time.

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Speaker 6: But I'm sure as hell gonna try to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of crossover between harm, you know,

652
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Speaker 2: protecting our people which basically equals harm reduction, like don't advance, Like,

653
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Speaker 2: I don't expect you to make me the millionaire, but

654
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Speaker 2: I expect you not to drag me back, not to

655
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Speaker 2: drag me backwards. Now again, I don't know that I

656
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Speaker 2: have to trust these people or their motivations for why

657
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Speaker 2: they want to do a thing, because I think I

658
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Speaker 2: can say pretty clearly from Jump Street that they're going

659
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Speaker 2: to be self motivated at every turn that if we

660
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Speaker 2: can just walk into the room anticipating that whatever they do,

661
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: whatever we walk away with is going to be to

662
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: their advantage more than it's going to be to mind.

663
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Their reasons for getting here are going to be different

664
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: than the reasons I have forgetting here. But if it

665
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: still takes aim at that same motherfucking policy that got

666
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: us here, then let's take aim at it and blow

667
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: it away.

668
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 6: Well where do you stand on protests? Like I feel

669
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 6: like black people have done so much.

670
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how I can add, like

671
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: does our protest still look like marching?

672
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 6: Are we you know?

673
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Circulating petitions? Are we showing up? Are we being disruptive?

674
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 6: Are we you know?

675
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it depends on the stakes

676
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: I definitely don't think it's a I don't think it's

677
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: a strategy we rule out. I do think it depends

678
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: on the stakes of the fight at the time. But

679
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: I also think, just like our civil rights leader, which

680
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: we should take lessons from today, that we had a

681
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: Malcolm and a Martin who the world experienced as being

682
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: completely separate thisoint know, disconnected move ments and body mens

683
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: represented as you know, one of peace loving, god fearing

684
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, uh, a leader of the of the army,

685
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: and the other being radical, untraditional, willing to go to

686
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: the hilt for our people, and they both I don't

687
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: think any one of us would say there wasn't equal

688
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: relevance and import from from both if we were to

689
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: look at it that way, they were both. I think

690
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: that's what I'm again, I don't think the lines are

691
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: as I have just described. I think that is the

692
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: super observation of what that was. But I agree none

693
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: of that, to me is the truth of the matter.

694
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: But what I know is the truth of the matter

695
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: is is that, just as Angela acknowledged, I may not

696
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: be the person that sent into that room, but we

697
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: should think together about who that right is so that

698
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: when after that meet not go on TV and blast

699
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: them that they understand from whence I come. My blasting

700
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: is necessary to give them greater leverage in the room

701
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: toward the negotiated end that we're fighting for. And I

702
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: still think that black people know this lesson, and I

703
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: don't think we should ever betray this lesson that advances

704
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: are to be made and we all got roles to

705
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: play and how we get there. Some of us gonna

706
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: throw the bombs from outside, others are going to set

707
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: the trap inside, and still others are going to drag

708
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: us over the finish line and other ways. So I

709
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: just think we have we are dexterious, and we got

710
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: to show that dexterity.

711
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 6: Now I agree with that.

712
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 5: I want to switch gears slightly to the pomp and

713
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: circumstance of it all because I remember in twenty sixteen,

714
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: we had strong feelings about people who chose to perform

715
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: at Donald Trump's inauguration. Recently, Woopy Goldberg had this to

716
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: say about Carrie Underwood performing.

717
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 9: People do what they do for whatever reasons. It's like

718
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 9: Joe and Mika.

719
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: Did what they did.

720
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Speaker 9: They felt that's what they needed to do, And I

721
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 9: gotta stand behind them, yeah, you know, and I stand

722
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 9: behind her if she's no, no, not or not, because

723
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Speaker 9: if I believe I have the right to make up

724
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 9: my mind to go perform someplace, I believe they have

725
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 9: the same right, of course, and so I have to Yeah,

726
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 9: I gotta. I have to support. Doesn't mean I'm particularly

727
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 9: interested in what I won't be watching, you know, but

728
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 9: that's me.

729
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 5: But I'm just curious because last time there was such blowback, blowback,

730
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: especially for black performers, it was Chrissette Michelle, I Am

731
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: christ Michelle. No more was Travis Green Travis and Apologize

732
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Speaker 5: Gospels thinger. So I'm just curious to know has the

733
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 5: temperature changed. There are now we see in this as

734
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Speaker 5: a strategy move.

735
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Speaker 2: No.

736
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Speaker 1: I honestly, I think will Be Gobert probably would have

737
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Speaker 1: felt that same way about Chrissette Michelle and I. Actually

738
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we heard the exact clip because I

739
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: actually agree with a whoopee now that I've heard what

740
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: she said, I don't expect anything from Carrie Underwood. I

741
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: remember the little bit that she did on Obama Care

742
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: with Brad Paisley. I think it was at the CMA's

743
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: or somewhere wherever it took place. Well, So yet this

744
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: is behavior I'd expect from her. I do expect better

745
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: from black people. I did expect better from Chrissette Michelle.

746
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I did expect better from Steve Harvey. I did expect

747
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: better from people who were so eager to drink from

748
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: the white man's cup that they scurried the ass is

749
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: over there to you know, to do something, to tap

750
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: dance for them, all of it. And we hold ourselves

751
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: to a higher standard because we are we have first

752
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: hand experience with how damaging and harmful this system can be.

753
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: So when you go and perform for the face of

754
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: this system that is taking this system even further back,

755
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: even further to the right, even more oppressive, even more draconian.

756
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 6: Then I do have to wonder what is your intention?

757
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 6: So I agree with Whoopee if she wanted to perform,

758
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 6: who gives a damn. I can't name three Carrie Underwood

759
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 6: songs don't really care about her, and people who listen

760
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 6: to her imagine it's gonna be a lot of other

761
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 6: performers performing too. But if Lol Wayne showed up, I'm

762
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: like messing with Little Wayne, Like that's an embarrassment and

763
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: he was kind of out. That's why I wasn't on

764
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: that Super Bowl conversation because I'm like, he was out

765
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 6: here real maga for a minute. Y'all dont want to

766
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 6: buy an informative foot bowl. I don't care.

767
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: I got plenty of other people I can support other

768
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: than anybody who was supporting as president.

769
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Speaker 5: What the reason why he was shounding real crazy in

770
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Speaker 5: his last couple of performances. So even if even if

771
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Speaker 5: it wasn't maga issuees because the quality of performance is

772
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 5: gone down.

773
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: I'm just saying karma is a But the truth is

774
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 2: is that for these folks who make their living off

775
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: of our buying into what it is they do, what

776
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: it is they're selling, how it is or whatever, these

777
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: choices have consequences, right and both ways. Right regardless of

778
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: which side wins, these choices have consequences. And I can

779
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: every day vote with my wallet on whether I'm going

780
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: to be a consumer, continue to patronize you or or what.

781
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: But I have the same stance that y'all have as

782
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: a relations to the folks who went to the first

783
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 2: Trump thing, and not just that, but on a whole

784
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: range of issues. When you show up on the opposite

785
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: side of where I am on issues that are consequential

786
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: to my life existence. Were gonna have problems and you

787
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: might not know me from tom Adam Cat, but just

788
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: know none of my money is coming to you. It's

789
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: going to a New York benefit.

790
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Y'all were talking about going to these meetings. I just

791
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: want to just do another throwback because I love our

792
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: forever flowtus. Michelle Obama in two thousand and nine was invited.

793
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: This was something around inauguration.

794
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 6: It was like.

795
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 2: The after the inauguration, the Senate lunch.

796
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what, thank you.

797
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: She was seated next to then I think House Speaker

798
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: John Baber leader beleader Leader John Banner is the speaker.

799
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: He was speaker. I'm sorry, I said, I thought we

800
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: were talking about Mitch McConnell.

801
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this was House Speaker, Republican John Banner from Ohio.

802
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: We're going to roll this clip. There's no sound for

803
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: those of you who are listening and not watching. Those

804
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: of you who are watching, you can see that. Yes,

805
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: she when I tell you, she ain't got no time

806
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: for whatever this man was saying. He could have been saying,

807
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: these are the winning lottery numbers. She got irol after

808
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: irow she and her food. She ain't given him, no

809
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: eye contact, She's barely looking her way. And you can

810
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: tell how disgusted she was that she's supposed to sit

811
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: there and pretend that this man wasn't part of a

812
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: machine that was calling her husband. I'm not saying he

813
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: was not an American who was questioning his qualifications, who

814
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: was questioning his integrity, who had accused them of doing

815
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: a terrorist fist bump, who had talked about her physically,

816
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: who has talked about her personality, talked about everything she said,

817
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: she wasn't about to be Therefore.

818
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: She was terr right.

819
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: So she said there.

820
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: Everything about her body language said fuck you. From the

821
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: South side of Chicago to my spirit, from Whitney Young

822
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: High School to the Wild Hundreds, I'm telling you, double

823
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: middle finger to you, I ain't got it for you.

824
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: And I have to say in these times, in that time,

825
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: I remember some people even in our community, being critical like,

826
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: oh she could have been nicer, blah blah blah. No,

827
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: at that time, she was doing the right thing. This

828
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: time she's doing the right thing.

829
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm not even going I agree.

830
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 6: I know that, And she did.

831
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: You see it all over her fail being. In fact,

832
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: it would be a hard thing for me to ask

833
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: her to join me at X thing. You know what

834
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I may have an obligation, he perceived obligation.

835
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think that I don't get

836
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: what it means to send non verbal signals to people

837
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: that by your presence, by your existence, you are connoting

838
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: something to the people who are looking.

839
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: ERTI lobby and corporate movements who are having like these

840
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: welcome inauguration parties, and people are like, oh, I have

841
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: to go.

842
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 6: It's for my job.

843
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but I work for Coke, I

844
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: work for this company or law.

845
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: I can't speak to none of that, but I do

846
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: know as it relates to obligation. There are things that

847
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: I understand to be obligatory and I and I by

848
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: and large will defend those things. And then they are

849
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: the things that are just your choice, that are like, Okay,

850
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: you know what, I could have done this or not

851
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: done this, and it wouldn't have been a world of

852
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: difference to the consequences of the exchange of power. But

853
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: then there are the choices that you can make that

854
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: show as real protests and what Michelle Obama has given

855
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: us is I think a will and by the way,

856
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: we've assigned meaning to this because her statement ain't say

857
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: nothing about what she's doing and why she ain't going.

858
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: But I have to read it from it exactly. All

859
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: of us can read it from understood. Not it need

860
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: not be stated, right. She ain't got to say a

861
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: damn thing. We know exactly what's going on. We need

862
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: that too, We need that too, that that somebody's reminding

863
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: us that it ain't right. Yeah, And I think she

864
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: has sent and will continue to send powerful reverberations by

865
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: her not being there and I and I embrace it.

866
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: And I, as I said before, with your husband would

867
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: join her.

868
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: DNA.

869
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: He's officially the president. Angelo, what is keeping you up

870
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: at night? Not that this man is officially the president

871
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: for those Angela just let out a deep side.

872
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 4: Because you know my blood pressure trying to keep my

873
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: blood pressure load. I'm serious, I literally got to take

874
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 4: it every day. Uh hmmm.

875
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 5: I think they're pledged to go after political enemies. I

876
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: think the super litigious nature of those who Trump is

877
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Speaker 5: rehired into the administration, the things that they will litigate.

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Speaker 5: You know that it's or people would just kind of

879
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: let go of the settlements that we've already seen happen

880
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 5: from media companies, the fact that there's such a severe

881
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: double standard, and what that says to our children, you

882
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: know what, the ways in which crafty and intelligent world

883
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Speaker 5: leaders will take advantage of this administration. I think the

884
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: real lack of separation. We used to have talk about

885
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 5: the separation between church and state. Now there's no separation

886
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 5: between corporate and state. And I think that the blending

887
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Speaker 5: of you know, how you get to power is through

888
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: money and privilege is really a very dangerous precedent.

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Speaker 4: So there's so much.

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Speaker 1: Well what would you I mean, as we're officially in

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Speaker 1: this administration now, what would you guys like us to

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Speaker 1: focus on on the podcast? Because there's going to be

893
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Speaker 1: so much happening all the time, So should we like,

894
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Speaker 1: how do we go forward in terms of what we

895
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Speaker 1: do here? I mean, I don't want us personally, I

896
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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about Donald Trump all the time.

897
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: It's going to be hard not to, But I would

898
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Speaker 1: like us to offer something else to people other than

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00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: what this administration is doing. How do we strike that

900
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Speaker 1: balance or do you all think we need to I.

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Speaker 2: Thought your question was going to the direction of if

902
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: we have to cover them, what pieces of it are

903
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: we trying to track and because thousand percent that we

904
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: should be across the range just showing fine, we can't

905
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Speaker 2: look at the national model as a true example of

906
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: representative democracy, but let's look here at the state of

907
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Speaker 2: Maryland and let's assess that if we had our what

908
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: what would this look like? And then what decisions might

909
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: flow from it. Let's highlight some of that. So I'm

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00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: with you. You know, we talked about that before, and I

911
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: think that those are really important bright spots that must

912
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: be held up for us at this time. But I

913
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Speaker 2: also think it's we have to be ever vigilant that

914
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Speaker 2: while we were sleeping, that we didn't lose something very important,

915
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 2: critical fundamental to our existence now in the future because

916
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Speaker 2: we were sleep And so watching him and covering them

917
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: is not about following Trump. Watching them and covering them

918
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: is going to be about the threat or opportunity it

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Speaker 2: presents to our community.

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Speaker 5: For me, yeah, we have to and that's the thing

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Speaker 5: I hope that we can center more. And Andrew, you

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Speaker 5: hit on this earlier today, center more on what it

923
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: means to protect us and advance our causes. And so

924
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Speaker 5: if this, if this podcast can be a part of

925
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Speaker 5: an organizing body, I'm here for it. Like I never

926
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Speaker 5: wanted to do media for media's sake. It It was

927
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Speaker 5: always for the advancement and liberation of like you. And

928
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Speaker 5: so to the extent that we can use this platform,

929
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Speaker 5: utilize this platform, utilize the gifts and talents that God

930
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Speaker 5: gave us to do that. I am down so we

931
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Speaker 5: can coverage. We can do coverage for oversight, but we

932
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Speaker 5: also need to do coverage for strategy and moving by.

933
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Speaker 5: So I would like to see that. Even though Tiff

934
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Speaker 5: was asking an audience, consider me part of the audience,

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Speaker 5: and then.

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Speaker 1: You a good point. That's a good point. We should

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Speaker 1: ask the audience, like, what do you guys want to

938
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: hear from now that we're officially in this administration? What

939
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: do you guys want to hear from us? What role

940
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: do you want to play in the podcast? You know,

941
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: we have a very open table, So we invite your comments,

942
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: your questions, your videos.

943
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Speaker 4: Even when y'all get mad.

944
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Speaker 6: Even we play y'all videos and y'all get mad.

945
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Speaker 1: I read your YouTube comments. Whatever the good, bad, and ugly,

946
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: I see it. All because it's his community, you know,

947
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: and we hold each other to to to a higher

948
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Speaker 1: account than I think we know.

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Speaker 4: If you didn't answer the question oh yet either you

950
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Speaker 4: just say you don't want to.

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Speaker 6: What would you like to see us cover?

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00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I would like us to see what's below the fold,

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Speaker 1: you know, not what's above the folte on A one,

955
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: but what's on you know, F three below the fold.

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Speaker 6: And I think you know I have right job about

957
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 6: criminal justice.

958
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Speaker 1: I care about what's I want our people who are

959
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: behind bars and know they're not forgotten. For the past

960
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: few weeks, I'll tell you guys, we had that gentleman

961
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Speaker 1: who's a member of Alpha Bay Alpha Fraternity Incorporated, asked

962
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Speaker 1: a question about disability. So for the past few weeks,

963
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Speaker 1: I have been looking into that. So stay tuned because

964
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Speaker 1: I will come back and talk about the intersection of

965
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Speaker 1: people of color, black people and disability and policies around that.

966
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Speaker 1: So that's something that I'll be talking about. Of course,

967
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Speaker 1: I have a lens of foreign policy and how we

968
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Speaker 1: show up on the globe. I just don't want to

969
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: get caught up in like the outrage every week. You know,

970
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump said this, and his cabinet member said this

971
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Speaker 1: in this exchange happened on Capitol Hill. I'd like to

972
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Speaker 1: have deeper, more philosophical discussions around what some of these

973
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Speaker 1: things mean and keep in mind our people, to give

974
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Speaker 1: our people something to believe in again, because it's so

975
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: easy to check out, but we have to remind people, hey,

976
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Speaker 1: this country for eight years was an amazing place to be,

977
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Speaker 1: even though we had a lot of challenges.

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Speaker 6: But we can do that again and do it better

979
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Speaker 6: this time, So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, sometimes it's going to be hard

981
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Speaker 1: not to talk out the shiny object. You know, it's

982
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Speaker 1: gonna be hard not to address the disrespect or the

983
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Speaker 1: insult or the fist fight that happens on Capitol Hill,

984
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Speaker 1: which I am predicted you're gonna I'm predicting because they

985
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: getting real froggy and at some point somebody gonna leave.

986
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Speaker 2: You know, you got it, but you know to they

987
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: said that we are in talking about the what's above

988
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: the fold, We're going to talk about it through a

989
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: lens that centers our experience and how it is going

990
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: to impact us. So that doesn't worry me because I

991
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: think we've had an exhibited example of trying to show

992
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: like Look, this isn't going to be the generic talk

993
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: you're getting on M and NA nah and that yeah,

994
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: this is going to be all right, Well, how is

995
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: this landing with us? Because we're really ever considered in

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00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: this conversation right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just I want to just say one tiny

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Speaker 1: little thing, and that is that I have always had

999
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: an eye or try to be true and authentic and

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: live in service to community, which is why it's a

1001
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: pleasure to do this with both you guys, because we

1002
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: all have that in common. And trying to gain favor,

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Speaker 1: you know, or secure things outside of that has never

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Speaker 1: been my intention.

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Speaker 6: And you know, people come and go.

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Speaker 1: But I think what people know about all of us

1007
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: here is we have never tried to appease the people

1008
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: who come and go. The corporate structure can like you

1009
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: today and hate you tomorrow, but we have stayed true

1010
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: to our community. And I just want to take this

1011
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: moment of the hundreds it felt like thousands, maybe it

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Speaker 1: was thousands, but the thousands of people who this week,

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Speaker 1: this past week, I should say, have reached out, tweeted,

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Speaker 1: posted tag.

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Speaker 6: DM all of it.

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Speaker 1: I have seen your comments and I just appreciate you

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Speaker 1: all for acknowledging the work that we do here on

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Speaker 1: Native Land and how I've always tried to show up

1019
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Speaker 1: for community despite who was in what position of power.

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Speaker 6: So I thank you all for riding.

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Speaker 2: With me at the emailk everybody, and.

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Speaker 4: We still have a dream.

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Speaker 6: You have a dream, and we work for freedom.

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Speaker 4: Always of all powers to the people. Welcome home, y'all.

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