WEBVTT - Severance Season 2 Episode 9: The After Hours

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the penultimate episode from

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<v Speaker 1>the second season of Severance The After Hours, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you have not watched that, go watch that. Come back here. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Mersey Night and welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to x ray Vision of the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 3>This week, we are talking about that very penultimate episode Severance.

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<v Speaker 3>What can they reveal before the season ends that is

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<v Speaker 3>going to keep people happy and keep people hooked. That's

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<v Speaker 3>really what we're gonna be theorizing about after we break

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<v Speaker 3>down all of the shocking and also shocking events. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a very interesting episode because it feels both full

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<v Speaker 3>and also slightly empty, especially after the big reveals of

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<v Speaker 3>the last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Theories are gonna be popping, and people are gonna be arguing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a stressful one, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Season two episode nine of Severance The After Hours penultimate

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<v Speaker 1>episode ten episode season this season, in contrast to season

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<v Speaker 1>one's nine episode run. We open at the Egan family compound,

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<v Speaker 1>where we see Helena Egan going through her morning routine,

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<v Speaker 1>which is lots of laps in the pool, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she goes to see her dad, Jame the whispery Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Bie voiced James.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this man so creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an ancient guy, and it's a big day, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, a momentous day. His revolving. I would assume

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<v Speaker 1>this is. You know, he's talked about this when we

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<v Speaker 1>saw him at the end of season one. His revolving

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up, and we know that Cold Harbor is

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<v Speaker 1>at ninety six percent, so this is These things are

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<v Speaker 1>probably all interlinked somehow, but a big day. Helena agrees.

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<v Speaker 1>She asks, are you gonna eat? Are you eating today?

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<v Speaker 1>He says, nobody's gonna watch her eat creepy a boiled

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<v Speaker 1>egg while he SIPs coffee, and she like carefully slices

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<v Speaker 1>this one egg and then eats it on a porcelain

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<v Speaker 1>plate that appears to be have like a artwork like seven.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like seventeenth century Dutch artwork depicting a dentistry scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Very creepy, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like carefully slicing up this hard boiled egg and

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<v Speaker 1>Dad says, I wish you'd take them raw, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to Cure's kiri in the ancestors favorite meal,

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<v Speaker 1>which is apparently raw eggs. So how they that's running

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<v Speaker 1>in the family, that that desire desk on. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Helly then gets driven away, presumably to Lumen, as we

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<v Speaker 1>get the drone shot pulling away from the compound revealing

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<v Speaker 1>the huge Lumin water tower, allowing us to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>situate the Egan mansion in town. And it does make

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder if there is if this whole town isn't

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<v Speaker 1>in some way under the sway of Lumen, no one

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<v Speaker 1>form or another.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also say lots of theories abound about the

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<v Speaker 3>potential that Lumen is putting something in the water. Lumen

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to influence people's behavior by you know, drugging

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<v Speaker 3>them so that they cannot or can do stain thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll talk about that more in the theories, but

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like the massive Lumen water tower is very

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<v Speaker 3>inspiring for those who are theory minded among us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we go to Lumen where Eustacewong is with Milchick

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<v Speaker 1>and he is celebrating her matriculation. I guess or graduation

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<v Speaker 1>from the Wintertide Fellowship. She is the Wintertide Fellow for

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<v Speaker 1>this year at Lumen, and Miltchik is also clearly pleased

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<v Speaker 1>because he's getting a antagonist out of his office, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's been like he's been engaged in a little power

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with. She is now leaving her parents' house to

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<v Speaker 1>travel along with her bed, which, forgive me if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but isn't that like one of Rickens things is that

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<v Speaker 1>a child has to stay in the same bed, same bed.

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<v Speaker 3>And also as well, Jason, you know, I think you

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<v Speaker 3>uncovered that this made me think of during the in

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<v Speaker 3>between episodes eight and nine, could you talk a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit about Cold Taba being a kind of analog for

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<v Speaker 3>a real furniture company.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I just want to remind people about

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<v Speaker 1>the scene from last season in which Mark is sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at Devin Rickens. He's slipping in this tiny

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<v Speaker 1>bed and then they start talking about, like Rickens colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>theories of beds that Ricken is apparently adopted, and Mark goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't get the three beds. Ricken says, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Devin says Rickens. Colleagues told us that switching out of

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<v Speaker 1>the beds as the child grows can wound that child,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rickens says irreparably. But if you provide said child

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<v Speaker 1>with all of its beds upon birth, you allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to progress across the room at its own rate, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds ridiculous. But now Eustace Wong is going to Sarbard

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<v Speaker 1>with the bed from her parents' home. So thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the way Luman was quite eager to adopt Ricken's philosophies

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<v Speaker 1>for use inside the severed floor, and the way apparently

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<v Speaker 1>his quote unquote colleague has a theory of beds that

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<v Speaker 1>is already adopted at Lumen. It makes you wonder about

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<v Speaker 1>the ties between Ricken and Devon and Lumini.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say that Devin as and Ricken is

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<v Speaker 3>ops is feeling more likely than ever fifth episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, certainly there are there must be spies in town,

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<v Speaker 1>like this town is filled with lumin spies, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's quite just possible that he's just knew Allumin

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<v Speaker 1>person who had adopted this philosophy for themselves. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting that now the bed thing is is popped

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<v Speaker 1>up again. Anyway, she's disappointed. She's going to savar barge.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought she was going to stay for the quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>and Miltchik's like, no, you're not saying for the quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what, you got to destroy your little ring

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<v Speaker 1>toss game, because that's part of the lumen Cure ideology

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to give up a sacrifice of childhood

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<v Speaker 1>once you move on to this next level and you're

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<v Speaker 1>on this career track, and so you got to destroy

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. And he watches her destroy the ring toss

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<v Speaker 1>game with her jame bust, which we saw that Cobel

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<v Speaker 1>also had one of these jame busts. And it should

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<v Speaker 1>be noticed that the jame bust that Eustace has has

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<v Speaker 1>another of the has a different of the nine tenants

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<v Speaker 1>of Eganism, Like on it it says, hold on, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just get it it badly, bab will be baba?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is it? I did it say?

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I'd put it in here, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Eurovision okay, it says Eurovision.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>While Cobel's was the Year of Wiles, so references to

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<v Speaker 1>the nine tenants. And I wonder if, like, do they

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<v Speaker 1>just cycle through those and they acting.

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<v Speaker 6>That's Gyral wondering, is it like the it's like the

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<v Speaker 6>Chinese years of birth, where like you do as twelve

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<v Speaker 6>and then you come back, or yeah, the nine?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it just cycle through?

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<v Speaker 1>We then go to Audi Dylan's house, where his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Gretchen admits to him that he's she's been having an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with.

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<v Speaker 2>His any merit we but don't do it. Don't do it, merret.

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<v Speaker 1>He is absolutely shocked. She's in her work. Her first responder,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, like, uh, work clothes, which will be

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<v Speaker 1>important for it a scene coming up later. So for

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<v Speaker 1>Audi Dylan, this is crazy fucking news. Of course, Gretchen

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<v Speaker 1>is like, but you seem so adrift and you're any

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of how you used to be. And Audi

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan's like, yeah, well, what if I quit and I

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<v Speaker 1>just kill him? What I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Which I actually thought this was a great moment because

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<v Speaker 3>it feels like a kind of realistic emotional response, But

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<v Speaker 3>it also gives us more insight into how the innis

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<v Speaker 3>are perceived.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he literally is like, well if I just killed

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<v Speaker 2>him to work.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is conversations about the mortality and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>lived reality of innis, and there is also obviously as

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<v Speaker 3>we know, like zero protections for them as kind of

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<v Speaker 3>fully realized human being.

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<v Speaker 1>He also says like, I'm going to work and don't

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<v Speaker 1>go fuck my inny, like while I don't go fuck

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<v Speaker 1>my body while I'm at work. We go to Irving's home.

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<v Speaker 1>Irving comes home to discover Bert in his dog radar

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<v Speaker 1>staring into the kitchen or the living room and who's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there with Bert? And Bert is reading some of

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<v Speaker 1>Irving's proloined Lumen investigation documents, including reading notes that are

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<v Speaker 1>related to himself to Bert that mention that Bert has

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<v Speaker 1>been linked to a bunch of disappearances and potential deaths

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<v Speaker 1>of people who disappeared into like the Lumin system, and

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<v Speaker 1>it mentions Bert as potentially like an enforcer or a goon,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of company hitman, and Irving is like, hearing

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<v Speaker 1>Bert read this, He's like, yes, it's true. I was

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious of you at one point, but I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not with the company anymore and that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>that person. And Bert's like, do you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>for a ride with me? Which seems very ominous, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we go for the ride.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>We go into Lumit where Maer is observing Gemma in

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment on the test floor. She's just sitting at

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<v Speaker 1>her little table. He flips over to the Cold Harbor

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and sees that they are stuck on ninety six percent.

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<v Speaker 1>He becomes alarmed at nine am the numbers aren't moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Mark at work? What's going on? Miltchik gets a

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<v Speaker 1>call from Drummond. Where the fuck is Mark? Today is

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<v Speaker 1>the day? Probably related to whatever Jame is excited for

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<v Speaker 1>that the final quota is promised, and we promised, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the old boss James, that it would be finished today,

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got to get Marked to work. Let's pause

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<v Speaker 1>here because I want to say that maur looking at

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<v Speaker 1>Gemma on the video feed and then seeing the number

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold Harbor numbers stuck on ninety six does support

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<v Speaker 1>my probably wrong theory that Gemma's apartment is Cold Harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside of Gemma's apartment is Cold Harbor, and she's being

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<v Speaker 1>tested all the time for some sort of response that

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't yet adequately fulfilled, so that, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw cold Harbor. It's her apartment and the test

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, when Maer comes in and basically drops

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<v Speaker 1>all these references to Mark, and Mark doesn't. Marx moved on,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't love you anymore, and she has emotional reaction, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the win for them would be she has no reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the theory supported by this little thing, this little

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<v Speaker 1>scene here down on the severed floor. Helly comes stomping in,

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<v Speaker 1>as clearly Helly because she comes with shake and said shud. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes down to MDR. But no one's at work,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's kind of disappointed by this because she's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see Mark and is worried about Mark

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<v Speaker 1>because of last time she saw him he had that nosebleed.

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<v Speaker 1>Devin is driving Mark to meet Cobell. Mark has a

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<v Speaker 1>good grip on reality right now. Devin is like asking him,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know where you are? You know? And you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who I am? All that stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>thinks going to meet Cobell as a mistake. It certainly

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<v Speaker 1>feels like that. I think, to all of us, what

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<v Speaker 1>if it's trap? He says. Devin says, we need her.

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<v Speaker 1>I would go I would why do we need her?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different I don't really understand that part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like why exactly we need her?

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<v Speaker 3>But Devin seems to be very intent and focused on

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<v Speaker 3>keeping Cobel in this situation, which again I think is

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<v Speaker 3>very suspicious or at least if not suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she's of a lumin plan.

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<v Speaker 3>There is something between Devin and Cabel that we don't

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<v Speaker 3>yet know that she.

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<v Speaker 2>That mock.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's possible. I think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's also possible, as with the Rickens colleague

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<v Speaker 1>bed theory, that she's being manipulated by other forces, maybe Lumine,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's acting in a way that she feels is

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<v Speaker 1>for the best sincerely, but doesn't understand that she's been manipulated.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be also be that anyway, Miltchick is blowing

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<v Speaker 1>up Mark's phone, but he lets it go to voicemail.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what that's about. Down on the severed floor,

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<v Speaker 1>Helly goes to see Milchick. She's like, where the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>is Mark? He had a nosebleed and now all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden he hasn't been in two days and is

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<v Speaker 1>he okay? And Miltchick is like, don't worry about it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Dylan is taking over like Mark's role while Mark

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<v Speaker 1>is out. It's not a big deal, and She's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean like the way you took over for Bell,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're We're just all how's that going? And now

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<v Speaker 1>Milchik is kind of getting mad and he's like, Helly

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<v Speaker 1>are you urain'tsportant? And he and she's like, don't mean

0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Helly e Don't you mean Helena Egan? And he's like, okay,

0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:18.120
<v Speaker 1>well sure you're Audi is my boss, but you are

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<v Speaker 1>just Helly Are and you are my the worker that

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<v Speaker 1>I manage, one of the teams that I manage. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you're dismissed. And by the way, leave the door open.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Helly just like slams the door even though

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<v Speaker 1>he asked her to leave it open, a rebellion once

0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.800
<v Speaker 1>again simmering all over the place. Gretchen, now not in

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<v Speaker 1>her work clothes, is goes to see any Dillon uh

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<v Speaker 1>and she tells him that she had the conversation with Audi.

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<v Speaker 1>D any D is like very very clueless. Is He's

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<v Speaker 1>like he's happy for us? Right? No?

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<v Speaker 2>He says the like is he glad for us?

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<v Speaker 3>My heart was like like that Simpsons episode, so you

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<v Speaker 3>can see raps tell the breaking.

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<v Speaker 1>So she breaks up with any D and any D

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<v Speaker 1>can't stand that we all remember first love, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>first time you really like get in a relationship with feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like that for him, so you get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells her, you know, my life really started when

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<v Speaker 1>you started coming to visit me, and he drops down

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<v Speaker 1>on one knee and he presents her with a ring

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<v Speaker 1>made out of office supplies. This is shocking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like one of his finger traps, which is like

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<v Speaker 3>this also crazy because he doesn't really own anything, so

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<v Speaker 3>for him to give this to her as like a

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<v Speaker 3>huge deal. But she obviously is just like I probably

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have kissed you. This is crazy, Like she doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>understand the importance and emotional kind of resonance of what

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<v Speaker 3>she means in his life because she's never been in any.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she shocked, she's she's She clearly is like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all a mistake, and she declines, of course, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 1>or continue the relationship or whatever, like.

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<v Speaker 3>She's obviously like I am already married to you, but

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<v Speaker 3>I love her. We like give her an Emmy for

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<v Speaker 3>this moment, like she's like the silent crying because I

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<v Speaker 3>think she actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Does know what have I done?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes she does, But also this version of Dylan is

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<v Speaker 2>like one that loves her and is still like.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet and appreciated, appreciate her.

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<v Speaker 3>She's saying goodbye to in this moment too, that I

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<v Speaker 3>just think is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So she walks out and Anie Dylan screamed, but to

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<v Speaker 1>no avail. Later, Helly is talking to Dylan about his

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<v Speaker 1>finger trappering, and he's like, you should just keep it

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<v Speaker 1>and give it to someone you meet down here. Helly

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that her experience of like falling in love with

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<v Speaker 1>the coworker is just like something common that I guess

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<v Speaker 1>everybody will will find and maybe that's the truth. But

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan is like, well, you know, it's just like O

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<v Speaker 1>and D and the goat people down here, Like who

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<v Speaker 1>am I gonna fucking mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Am I gonna mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What are my prospects? Helly meanwhile is continuing to be

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<v Speaker 1>extremely rebellious against her Audi. Is raging at Audi's in general,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting contrast to the where her family

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<v Speaker 1>views Innies. But she's like, everything is for the Audies.

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<v Speaker 1>They take everything. Helly then reminds doing that Irving was

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<v Speaker 1>your friend, who's you're very very very.

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<v Speaker 2>Very close friend. Yeah, and then emotional kind of scent

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and that Luman distracted you from that by

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<v Speaker 1>bringing down this Audi woman that you don't even know,

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<v Speaker 1>so stop falling for it. And then Dylan gets very

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<v Speaker 1>mean and he's like, you know, the only reason we're

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<v Speaker 1>down here is because of you. It's this is all

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<v Speaker 1>of your fault. And by the way, when you were

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<v Speaker 1>down here as your audi, no one could tell. And

0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.640
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, Irving could tell. He is like, well,

0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Mark and tell, and then he walks away. That was very,

0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>very mean. Cobell finally arrives to meet Mark and Devin.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like a very funny moment when she's like, how

0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.280
<v Speaker 1>are you and he's like, well, you know, my wife

0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.760
<v Speaker 1>is being held prisoner by a lumin and I just

0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.800
<v Speaker 1>had brain surgery in back around I'm doing fucking great.

0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.159
<v Speaker 1>And they bicker a little bit and Cobel is like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let's not bicker because we're allies now. And apparently

0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the plan is to take Mark to the Demona Birth

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<v Speaker 1>and Retreat, but they can't go in the daytime. They

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<v Speaker 1>have to go at night, and she says that once

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<v Speaker 1>any Mark in the office has completed Cold Harbor, which

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<v Speaker 1>he suspects he is not finished, because why would he

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<v Speaker 1>be carrying out this mission like it would be over

0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.920
<v Speaker 1>apparently if he had finished. But if Cold Harbor is completed,

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<v Speaker 1>that's apparently the end of Gemma. She's already dead. Cobel says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you finish Cold Harbor. Cobel then says, call Miltchick

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<v Speaker 1>can get off work, because if Miltchick suspects you're up

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<v Speaker 1>to something other than taking a day off or sick,

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.919
<v Speaker 1>then he will lock you out of Lumen and that's it.

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.399
<v Speaker 1>It's game over. Mark doesn't want to, but Devin talks

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>him into it for Gemma because apparently Cobel knows how

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to get her back. We think. Helly then uses her

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<v Speaker 1>key card to go to the breakroom to retrieve Irving's

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<v Speaker 1>elevator map, while Dylan just is wandering the halls making

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<v Speaker 1>a big decision. He essentially comes to the decision that

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 1>he's going to quit. Bert meanwhile, is driving Irvin somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He admits in a conversation in the car that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I worked for Luhman doing black bag stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I drove people I didn't know where they were going,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't come back, so that's ominous for he

0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.879
<v Speaker 2>did say I never heard anyone. I need you to

0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.880
<v Speaker 2>know that, but it's like you didn't stop them.

0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Gang.

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<v Speaker 1>You do wonder if that's what's happening right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, which is what I've wonders too understandably.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In Miltchik's office, Dylan fills out a resignation form,

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and Miltchik is taking this quite personally, and I think

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 1>this is a reflection clearly of his management. He says,

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>this reeks of ingratitude. Wong is like, I'm so sorry

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like manage you better. Miltchik then takes the

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<v Speaker 1>ID card and says, okay, Dylan go to the elevator

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and wait outside the severed floor in the atrium, Drummond

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:32.160
<v Speaker 1>like upstairs basically in Lumen. In the atrium, Drummond is

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<v Speaker 1>reading Miltchik the Riot Act for not being able to

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<v Speaker 1>get marked to work and you know, like not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to deliver in cold Harbor when it's been promised,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is all Miltchik's fault. And Miltchik defends himself

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 1>by using a big word, which is a no.

0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:45.680
<v Speaker 7>No.

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.480
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this, So Drummond is like apologized for

0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 1>using a big word, and then he does, but then

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 1>he's like, apologize again, and then Miltchik snaps and basically

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 1>tells him to devour feculence aka shit, which Drummond is like, now,

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.960
<v Speaker 1>how what what did you say to me? And then

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Milchik finds a spine. He's like, Hey, the Severn Floor,

0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I am the manager of the seventh floor. You have

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to respect me, even though you're my superior. You need

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to respect me because I do like very sensitive work

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.119
<v Speaker 1>for this and important work for this company. Second, the

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<v Speaker 1>Severn Floor is the whole of my kingdom, meaning out here,

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<v Speaker 1>Audi Mark is your fucking job. If you don't know

0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 1>where Audi Mark is, then that's your fucking fault. Turns

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 1>on his heel and walks away.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta say, guys, you know we have been on

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<v Speaker 3>quite a roller coaster with Milchick this season, Like is

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<v Speaker 3>he gonna ton against Luman?

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Is he gonna be an ally to the innies? I

0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.160
<v Speaker 2>think morally.

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.919
<v Speaker 3>I cannot state where he stands, but I would not

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<v Speaker 3>be surprised to see Milchick fucking up some higher management

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 3>in the finale.

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.679
<v Speaker 2>His patience is coming to an edge, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eager to talk about this later, because I do

0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 1>think I've been thinking a lot about the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a heel turn or what a hero arc or redemption art,

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<v Speaker 1>what that could mean in the context of this show,

0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Mark calls Miltchick and, after initially trying to blame it

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<v Speaker 1>on the nosebleeds, which I think makes Miltchick kind of alarmed,

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>like any kind of medical thing with the head, He's like,

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 1>let us send you a car let us let you

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<v Speaker 1>should be on look a Lumin care with something like this.

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.639
<v Speaker 1>He then Mark, I think very canonly realizes Okay, this

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is the wrong way to go and just says like, listen,

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I just need a day. I need a personal day,

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I just need a day off. Okay, do you

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>get it? Like isn't that what llumin is about? Like

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>work life balance, like and I need it, and so

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, work his work right, and time off is

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<v Speaker 1>time off. So That's what I'm doing. And Miltchick gets

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>emotional at this. He's looking at his tip of the

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 1>iceberg painting behind his chair at his desk, and he

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.120
<v Speaker 1>backs off and makes Mark promise that he will come

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.640
<v Speaker 1>into work next day, which Mark promises do and then

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 1>they hang up and it's a it's interesting to watch

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Miltchick get emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I thought this was a very interesting conversation because

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Miltchick really kind of like the way He's like, do

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I have your word? And Mark's like, sure, right, it's

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's a weirdly weighted moment that I'm very

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 3>interested in how it kind of came absolutely and what.

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.800
<v Speaker 1>It means same same Okay. We go to a train

0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:32.159
<v Speaker 1>station where Bert buys Irving. A ticket goes all the

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>way down the line, So he's like, you can get

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>off anywhere outside of Kere. Just don't. I don't want

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to know where you're going, but you could go anywhere

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and just go and you can never come back, never

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>come back. You need to leave here immediately because apparently

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not safe. He admits that the innocent any part

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 1>of him does love Irving. How does he know?

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 5>That?

0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Question?

0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 4>Mark?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he ever an OUDI? Or an? Was he ever anything?

0:23:59.520 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 1>But him?

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Say?

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 5>Is?

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Is?

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Was he ever truly sever? That's the question? Maybe will be?

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I think he was, But like, how did then? How

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 1>does he know that he's any? I don't know anyway?

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Clearly there's some kind of warm feelings, I guess, you know.

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Part of the theme that it seems like has been

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>arising from the show is that love. It sounds very trite,

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 1>but love conquers all love, love conquer severance. Love is

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.239
<v Speaker 1>something that comes through severance, So maybe he feels that

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 1>despite being severed. Irving is like, can't we just keep

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>going with this? Like I've never been in love before,

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I've never been loved by another person, which is so

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>sad to hear, and Bert is like, well, now you

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.120
<v Speaker 1>have been, like has a feel and like it feels good,

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like I don't wanted to stop, which you know, it's like,

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>can't we just do that? And Bert very strongly says no,

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we can't.

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 2>And they don't even get to have a kiss.

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 3>They just kind of wish they can't do this, and

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 3>it's oh, it's heartbreaking.

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It's heartbring. Serving gets on the train with Radar, his dog,

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and they leave town into literally into the sunset, and

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>again makes you feel as if is like, is this

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>town like a simulation? What's going on here? Because it

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>feels yes, leave. The shot of the train leaving felt

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 1>weird to me. Also, it was any very.

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Like sunset like picture perfect, not really.

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while that is happening, we see the elevator doors

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>open and Dylan get on the elevator, and we don't

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>see the transition to audi but we assume that that's

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen soon and that's gonna be the end of ity.

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan potentially question mark that evening Mark is in the

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<v Speaker 1>bed of the truck that Kobel got insult set. Meanwhile,

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>down on the Severn floor, Helly is trying to memorize

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<v Speaker 1>the directions on the back of the map to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the elevator. Jame Jame Eagan appears in the doorway

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<v Speaker 1>doing on that well today is the revolving if that

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<v Speaker 1>is indeed what is happening, so clearly not eating and

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<v Speaker 1>then appearing here, he had some kind of procedure that

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to undergo, so he appears there and

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he accuses Helly, if you tricked me about what We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that more later. Cobel arrives at the birthing

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<v Speaker 1>retreat and talks her way past the security guard. Is

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<v Speaker 1>basically we're going to cottage five. This woman is she

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>says ominously one of James, which is like, how many women.

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<v Speaker 1>Has Jane been doing whatever with QUI.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk about that into this because it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy.

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>That's not great. Cobel in the Guard then share a

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>dialogue from a classic episode of The Twilight Zone. I

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>forget the name of the episode, but it's the one

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<v Speaker 1>where the the mannequins.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that episode so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the one where the mannequins are alive.

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<v Speaker 3>In the department store, in the department capitore, kind of almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a week or something outside of.

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<v Speaker 2>The scrum Spring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like where they get to live as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>And this one h manniquin had loved it so much

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<v Speaker 1>that they forgot they were a mannequin, and only when

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<v Speaker 1>coming back into the store to shop as a person

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<v Speaker 1>do they come to realize horrifyingly the truth that they

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<v Speaker 1>are a mannequin who forgot who they were. This feels

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Ray pointed. So that's clearly like a coded password that

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>passes between Cobel and this car. So they drive up

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<v Speaker 1>on the drive mark the transformation happens. So clearly it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't that the any audi transformation there on the grounds

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>takes place outside of the cabin, it seems because it

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>just kind of hit him. He wakes up in the

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Birthing cottage. He's confused, he's his any self, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where he is. He goes up to see Cobel.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>She's waiting upstairs. Devin asks, any Mark, do you remember

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the last thing you said to Cobell? And he's like yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Season one finale, She's alive, meaning Gemma, And then we

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>go to credits. Okay, crazy episode. I feel like I

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>know less than I knew.

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 3>When I actually find that the most interesting thing about this.

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But let's go to.

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<v Speaker 3>A message from our sponsors, who are definitely not Lumen,

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 3>and then we'll come back and tap in super producer

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Joel for predictions.

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>We're back. Let's bring in Joel to talk about a

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>crazy episode of the Severance television program. Joel, your thoughts,

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>your initial takeaways this episode before we start getting into it.

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<v Speaker 5>Pen Ultimate episodes are so fascinating to me. I think

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 5>they're difficult to nail, challenging to Like, you want to

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 5>lead into a place where you're able to like leave

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 5>with the giant cliffhanger. You want big action in the finale.

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 5>It's got to all build up to this. But the

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 5>Penn Ultimate really sets that up. And what I found

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 5>so interesting is before this week, get this sort of

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 5>solo episode with Harmony where she's going through her past,

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 5>a lot feels revealed to us, and then this episode

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 5>it's almost almost business as usual, but something's off everywhere.

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 5>Everyone is not on their game, like both Helena and

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 5>Helly doing some weird stuff. Helly's pushing back against bosses.

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 5>Helena that swimming scene where she's in the pool and

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 5>at one point you're like, is she at the surface

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 5>or is she downing at the bottom.

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 4>The lights are sort.

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 5>Of over her head in a strange way that makes

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 5>you wonder. I mean, when we see water is so

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 5>prevalent in this show, that was wondering, is this like

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 5>a pivot point for her? And we're just not fully

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 5>keyed into what's happening with her yet. I think what's

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 5>been really interesting about this episode is we see a

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 5>lot of things we've heard from any's previously reflected in

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 5>their audi's sort of behavior. For example, Dylan in season one,

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 5>Dylan has this moment where he's like, you know, I

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 5>like to imagine my Audi is out there just you

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 5>having sex with people's wives, Like I really like the

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 5>idea he's out here.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Like courting other peals.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 5>And when Audi Dylan learns that any Dylan has essentially

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 5>been doing this to him, like, his meltdown is so intense.

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Because she does reveal that it was you know, she

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 3>says she kissed the any. I would say they made out,

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 3>but still they didn't sleep together.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>She well, hold on, she gives him The craziest part

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of it is she gives him a duration. She goes

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>for about a minute made out, which is like.

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Why are you telling you don't need to know that?

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 5>Like, but bah, the confessions they're weird time, You're like,

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 5>it was only a minute?

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 3>What? But ay the same time, like, his meltdown is

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 3>so severe, you know, it feels like a huge, huge

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 3>betrayal to him.

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 5>Well, and look at what he does, Like his first

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 5>reaction is to throwout his green smoothie, which it sort

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 5>of feels like, you know.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Why am I being healthy for you? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah,

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>this is the thing I'm doing for you.

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 5>This is a thing, like and you don't even care

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 5>about it. I think we see so much of Helly

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 5>rebelling and being like this isn't fair.

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 4>She's all about justice and You're just like kind of

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 4>looking at Elena like is this you do?

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Is that within you? So I'm really excited.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 5>To see if we get a turn from her, particularly

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 5>after Dad goes downstairs to see Helly.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 4>What a weird moment. The other thing I was, you

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 4>guys were.

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:56.719
<v Speaker 5>Just contemplating, like, hey, is not irving, but but is severed.

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 5>What's he ever severed?

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 4>What's happening?

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<v Speaker 5>I have any thought, and it's I think Bert early

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 5>severed person, and not only early severed person, but also

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 5>one of the first to have multiple separate spaces.

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<v Speaker 4>I think. Then he says, I didn't hurt anyone this

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 4>version of.

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Her, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I think, And I think part of

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that he is so desperate to get her

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>ring out of town is he does not want to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one who does it, to flip the OTC

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<v Speaker 1>switch and all of a sudden he becomes killer Bert.

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<v Speaker 3>And he does not kill these gays and do not

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 3>just gay kill his gay love.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be very distressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I can't, so let's sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I think before we let's start with what we know,

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Let's do it in the finale, because I think that's

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a great way to frame that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I watched because I'm like, what the fuck

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>is going on in this show? I watched the finale

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of season one while in the middle of my second

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and third rewatches of this episode. And Okay, here's some

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we know. Current CEO of Learning and public

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>face of Severance as the inventor of the technology is

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Jame Egan, who is still active somehow in the company. Okay,

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>we know that, and I think that's an important thing

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to know for various reasons because his revolving, which he

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>talks about in season one, is apparently happening this day.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Is it going to happen? Is it not going to happen.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what revolving is, but we know it's

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>an important thing for Jame and potentially the company, although

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>it's unclear if those things are connected. What else do

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>we know?

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 2>We know Harmony was the real inventa.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.719
<v Speaker 1>We know Harmony is the real inventor of Severance, and

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that credit for that process is clearly a big motivation

0:33:55.480 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>for her and the frustration with not being credited with it.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>So while you know, whatever it is that she is doing,

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever her plan is, visa v mark credit or revenge

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>for being cut out of the credit, I think is

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a huge motivator for her. What else we know? We

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>know Jema's alive, okay, and we know that she is

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 1>fairly close to one hundred percent on Cold Harbor, and

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that we know that after that she will cease to exist.

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Does that mean she is dead? Does that means her

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>mind is white? Does that mean she it disappears into

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the lumin ecosystem and never comes out. Does it mean

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>but we know that she right? We know that she

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>is her gema person is gone forever once one hundred

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>percent hits that we know. We know that Lumen has

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>multiple offices, and I will is it not interesting that

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 1>many of the offices that we hear about are in

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>cold climates? Like there's the old one in Salt Neck,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>there's the one here and cure it's far Bard. Now, like,

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>what is it about Salt Neck that is potentially important

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>to whatever their work is?

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I guys known, I'm not gonna bring it up, but

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna tease that I have a crazy but unbelievably

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 3>researched theory that I am going to drop at the

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 3>end of this episode, and it's gonna blow your mind

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>because it's actually so good, and I think the coldness

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 3>could add to it.

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we we know that you're love uh raw eggs,

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and that apparently Jamee likes you know, continues the thing

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>wants to see people eat raw eggs.

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Great note on that that somebody pulled up and Reddit

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 3>they thought was really good. Which is a war egg

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 3>is you know, you can separate it, but generally just

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 3>goes down as one. Right when Helena eats her egg,

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 3>she eats the inside and the outside of the egg separately.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 2>And they don't get crossed those of us.

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 3>So I also wonder if there's some kind of analogous

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 3>situation there about the inny and the aunt tea of

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 3>it all and the same soul and the separate souls.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.280
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was a really good catch that somebody

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 3>brought Ueah.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>We know that severance activating the chip can happen anywhere,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>including off of lumen grounds, and the range is tbd.

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to be in range of the water power?

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to be a range of some kind

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of signal? We don't know. But what we do know is,

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 1>as we saw at the end of last season, OTC

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and we saw in the season with the Orpo that

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you can flip it and that there is a room

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that you can access to and maybe more than one

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>room where you can flip switches and get the innies

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>to become Audis and vice versa, and that can happen anywhere.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Why would you need that? I don't I don't know

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>why you would need that? Are we missing anything else? Oh?

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 1>We know now that Jane Egan has been taking a

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>string of women to the birthing cottage for probably off

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the books reasons, and that that is extremely concerning and troubling.

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we know, can we say we know that

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.479
<v Speaker 3>Luhmen is Luhman has at least one if and likely

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 3>many many more assassins people to disappear, people like they

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 3>they have been engaging in shady secret of behavior for

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 3>a long time.

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 5>And the names are very important, they're specific, not call Achilles. Like,

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 5>can we start with the baby Mamas and the drama

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 5>because I think it opens the most important question that

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.879
<v Speaker 5>people have been batting around for a long time, which

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 5>is why else isn't Eager Megan?

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:49.959
<v Speaker 2>I think is the big question.

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 4>Is who are bring up?

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 3>I think earlier in this season, the kind of parallel

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 3>between you know, presidents who were slavers, who rape their

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 3>slaves and now have you know, hundreds of relatives.

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I think there is.

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 3>An element there that they are drawing on that is

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 3>really horrific. And how many Egans are there? Do you

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:21.720
<v Speaker 3>have to have Egan blood to be in Lumen?

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Is it that kind of situation?

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 3>I also saw another great pull on Reddit where the

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 3>Reddit poster suggested that Lumen had been putting something in

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 3>the water that meant that people were infertile, meaning they

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 3>had to go to the Lumen run fertility clinics where

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 3>then they were being impregnated potentially with Lumen, I mean

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Egan DNA.

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 5>I think we've seen corporations do before, whether if not

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 5>necessarily in the water, but absolutely sterilizing women without their consent.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 5>So that's a really interesting theory. I have a couple

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 5>of theories on who.

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 4>I think could be a secret Lumin Jeson. Do you have.

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Ian?

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily have in a secret Egan theories, but

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>I do want to note that in season one, when

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>it is being explained to any Mark who has been

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 1>ot seed and is now outside at Rickens book event,

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>at Devin and Rickens home when it's being explained by

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Devin to any Mark that he had a wife but

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't forget her, which is why he went to

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Lumen and got severed. She says it in a very

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting way, which is but Gemma was just in his

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>blood and he couldn't get away from her. So I

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.760
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to raise that as like an interesting way.

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Is she just being poetic or is that and again

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>devon being inculcated with this kind of Egan philosophy in

0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>ways that maybe she doesn't even know about it anyway,

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>So you secretiggans?

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, okay.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 5>My first guess is Ricken he's got he's baby vibes,

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 5>not even his nepo baby vibes.

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 4>I do wonder if they know their secret.

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I think they don't, you know what I mean. Sorry

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to interrupt, but I just want to say that I

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>think that there's abdy that a lot of the people

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>in this town have, if not been severed, or they

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know who they are or who they started as.

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think that the title of this episode, the

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>after Hours, which is a reference to that uh classic

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Twilight Zone episode, kind of suggests that that all of

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>these people, if not most of them, have forgotten who

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>they are, don't actually know the origins of where they

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>came from.

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I agree, And so with that sort of in mind,

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 5>and that Twilight Zone episode which is called Yes, after

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 5>Hours so good, there's something if you if you watch

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 5>after Hours, there's like a magnetic pull back to the store,

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:03.959
<v Speaker 5>Like she's like, I don't know why I keep coming here,

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 5>but I just keep coming back, which is the thing

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 5>we see over and over again throughout the series of PEP.

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 5>We were like, why are you going back to this building?

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 5>It's no good in there. Get the hell out. And

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 5>with Rick and you know, he's so determined throughout, like

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 5>the first half of season one to be like, hey,

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 5>listen this book.

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I wrote it.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be great. It's gonna change lives.

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 5>I can really see like a future that's much brighter

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 5>because of this book. Then the minute, the minute Lumin

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.320
<v Speaker 5>steps in and is like, hey, you actually did help people.

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 4>We just need to tweak me.

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 5>He's so quick to change, and he's constantly coming back

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 5>around to Lumin and being involved in what feels to

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 5>me to be very shady. I also think his haircut

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 5>is a clue anyone with a weird haircut. I'm like,

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 5>possibly an Egan. Those paintings are saying a lot, which

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 5>leads me to my biggest suspect, who I also don't

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 5>think knows. I wonder if Harmony is an Egan. I

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 5>can hear me out one thing we know about her mother,

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:02.919
<v Speaker 5>She fucking hates hates them with a passion. We don't

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 5>hear anything about a father for Harmony. We know that

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 5>she's in that town where the Keys sort of started

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:10.240
<v Speaker 5>his journey.

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 4>We know that that ether was really important early on.

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 5>And there's something to be said about bastards who are

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 5>sort of looked over to be like do you have

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 5>potential in the bloodline, like you know what I mean?

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 5>And then get plucked from obscurity and sort of, you know,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 5>use as a pawn.

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 4>And a tool within like a hierarchy.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 5>I think that sort of fits Harmony to a tea,

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 5>and it also would sort of give creedence to this

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 5>weird energy she has with Helena. Right, you're a bastard.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 5>Do you think you're very like you're worth more than

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 5>you are? You think this invention is everything? You don't

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 5>even own it, Like you're not grateful for all that

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 5>we've given you when you should be. Those are my

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 5>two suspects. Either could definitely be more. I'm hoping we

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 5>get a tease of it at the end, like with

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 5>us being at the birthing Center, with us having seen

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 5>some stuff there. I hope we get to figure out

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 5>if there's a secrets want to pull on a couple

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 5>of different threads in watching back on the season one

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 5>finale when Helly busts out after the you know the

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 5>OTC is going on, Helly busts out and she is

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 5>at that Lumine event where clearly Lumen has been running a.

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Worldwide campaign based around Helly being severed and working in

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the company alongside severed people as a way to say, hey,

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>this is actually so safe, Like are the scion of

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>our company had it done to herself? And she's having

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>a great time in there, like Helly r loves being

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>severed and loves or co workers. And you see part

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of the marketing she walks through like this big display

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>of the marketing materials and it's like, you know, Mark

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and Irving and Dylan and they're all in there in

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the pictures. Two things happen. One is she has a

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>conversation with the woman who heavily implies that she was

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>severed and that was what allowed her to have three kids,

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and the husband that woman's husband says, I'm so happy

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you're doing this. You know, we're going to change a

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of minds, Yes, suggesting that however big lumin is,

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:20.879
<v Speaker 1>however widespread severances, there is significant resistance to it, and

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>changing public perception about was about severance is extremely important

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>for this company, who I think because this is how

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Cabridge it thinks, what want to take severance wider than

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it is. How whatever level it's at, they want to

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>go up a level. And this is important to that.

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>This whole, the whole you know, Luminfest that they were

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>doing was an important peg in that.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you also get those like this is going

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 3>to change the world. We need to like episode day

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 3>and nine, and that's a lot of like once Cold

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Top happens, like it's going to change the world forever.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of like it.

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Seems like that in this transitional step where they really

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 3>want to take it, you know, worldwide, this idea, and

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 3>we know that it is global, but I think they

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 3>want to make it kind of as normal as Ai

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 3>has quickly become.

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they want to have these offices, but it's not

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>clear that severance happens at all their offices. You know

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. One more quick thing I want

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to pull out so you know, pr is going to

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>be important to them, So they're not They're not that

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 1>powerful yet. And two are we just like wrong about

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>like what they're are all our theories about Gema wrong

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>because it strikes me as so risky and irresponsible that

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you have a woman who you have kidnapped ongoing federal crime.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>She's being kidnapped and tortured down there, and then you

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.359
<v Speaker 1>put her with people that you have in the worldwide

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>marketing materials for your product, Like, wouldn't you keep her

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in a black box separate from those people? And even

0:45:55.840 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>though you clearly have intense confidence in your severance technology,

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to never let them interact because if there's an OTC,

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>which there was, now that information is out there and

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I think we do it to be fair. We do

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 1>see the company in season two kind of panicking about that,

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>but it feels like they should be panicking more. And

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it feels like having Gemma interact with Mark on the

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>severed floor when Mark is in the advertising and people

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>know who he's not just like a a faceless lumin drone,

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>like he's part of their marketing. It just strikes me

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>as so risky. Why would they do that, Why would

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Cobel allow that to happen? And so are we just

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>wrong about like what they have planned for Gema? Are

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 1>they going to resurface her some out?

0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't hear.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I think this is good, though, Let's talk about questions

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 3>that they need to answer.

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this.

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 5>Is okay, okay, So first let me let me ponder

0:46:58.239 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 5>Jason Squeely.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm remembering Milchicken.

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Harmony having a conversation when Harmony brings Gemma up for

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 5>like a full day to sit with Mark and the crew,

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 5>and Milchick is like, what are you fucking doing, lady,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Like you should be happy this is working, and she

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 5>was like, I just need to see I think that

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 5>Cobel Harmony was like, especially after what we learned about

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 5>her mother, I think she's got a lot of internal

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 5>conflict about this, and that her whole thing was like

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 5>a I want to make sure it fully works. It's

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 5>my experiment. She's like a scientist. She needs to see

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 5>it through to the end. I also think part of

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 5>her is hoping it doesn't work. I think part of

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 5>her is still so connected to her mother. Her mother

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 5>has such a rebellious spirit. She hated lumin She's still

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 5>working for Luma. I think there's like something going on

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 5>there where Harmony was like, listen, it's worth the risk.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 5>And I think she was kind of like didn't care

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 5>about the overall outcome as long as she fully could

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 5>understand her experiment. I think the marketing and pr stuff

0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 5>is like outside of her.

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 4>Interesting that makes a lot of sense.

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 3>And also I do think it seems more like personal

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 3>like that something she I.

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Agree with you. I think control control over the severed floor.

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Clearly Cobel was like wanted to run it her way

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>for whatever her reasons are, and I think those reasons

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.280
<v Speaker 1>continue in whatever her plan is with Mark uh quick

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>thing about the revolving I think an active theory that

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>is out there is that the board doesn't exist and

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the bored consciousnesses are severed versions of Jame, either their

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>stored versions of the Egan family that live within him

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 1>possibly or they're just severed pieces of him that have

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>been molded using the personalities and rooms that have happened

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>in the past, and then the revolving is literally like okay,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>next personality takes over all of which is to say,

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that whatever is going on with the Egans

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and Jame is separate from the overall strategy that LUMAN is,

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 1>like the question of what is LUMAN doing, which is

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 1>what is their plan for the Severance technology? What are

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>they doing overall? I think those two things might be

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>parallel but kind of separate, because clearly with the it's

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>one of James's comment, and with this revolving thing that

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 1>is clearly something that like people outside of the family

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>don't even probably know about, Like I think that there

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 1>is and also the fact that Severance is twenty years old,

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Max like, and that whatever has been going on with

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Jame has probably been going on for a lot longer

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>than that. Therefore, I think that we need to think

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:56.879
<v Speaker 1>about those two things separately a little bit.

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Guys, let me, let me I'm gonna blow you your mind.

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 3>We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 3>right back.

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And we're back. You guys have like perfect please setting

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:28.440
<v Speaker 2>me up with every single So no, no, it's great.

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm just very excited because This is completely wild. I

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 3>absolutely don't think it's true. I wish it was true,

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 3>but I've got to say it because I think this

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.799
<v Speaker 3>person just laid it out so incredibly and I just

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 3>randomly came across this. It has like one like but

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that they make an incredible point here. I

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 3>would if you are afraid of the finale being ruined,

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 3>just in case this is real, please put your hands

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 3>over your ears.

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.720
<v Speaker 3>So this kind of plays into what Jason is saying

0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 3>about the nature of what Luman is actually doing, the

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:05.320
<v Speaker 3>severance being different to what the egans want. But user

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 3>beginning camera three zero one seven has a theory about

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 3>who the board are, what they want, and why they

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 3>need the Severance floor, blood donations and fertility and birthing centers.

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>This is what they say everything.

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there's a lot to digest, so take your time.

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 3>It will blow your socks off. The board are dot

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 3>dot dot vampires and what do.

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 2>You This is so I am like this person's theory.

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 3>What they want is a compliant livestock.

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Women has blood donating.

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:57.879
<v Speaker 3>Clinics, the milk, fertility and birthing centers, husbandry tanks, and

0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 3>the Severance floor. That gives them full control of their livestock.

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 3>The egans are the humans who run the company for

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 3>pr reasons and essentially get to like live because of that.

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 3>They are the facade of lumen. This is like a

0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 3>twenty bullet point theory. So I will not do all,

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 3>but I will do some highlights. Lumin means life. The

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Severance floors are underground with no windows or sunlight. The

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:24.560
<v Speaker 3>OEND and MDR painting is the grim barbarity of optics

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 3>and design. It's the man eating another man, but says

0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 3>that that painting never enters anywhere in the hallways that

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.799
<v Speaker 3>people can see because the board don't want people to

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 3>know or think about who they are. The nurse constantly

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.720
<v Speaker 3>collects two bottles of blood from Gemma in her daily routine.

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 3>The nurse donates the blood, and while they say it's

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of an identity test, this person suggests that really

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 3>the blood donation itself is how you get into the

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 3>room every time they take the blood. And also in

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 3>season one, episode one, this is the thing where I

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 3>was like, Okay, this is actually you're selling me on

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 3>a version of this HELLY asks Mark, am I livestock

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:07.720
<v Speaker 3>and that line being like one of the first things

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 3>she says, as if Helena knows what is really going

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 3>on in the seventh floor, also anesthesia. The ether factory

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.280
<v Speaker 3>was the first way that the vampires got their supply

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 3>of blood. Because people would be high, they would die,

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 3>the vessels would open. They would always leave them open,

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 3>so people would get addicted, and then you know, you

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 3>could kill them very easily. But Cobell's design of the

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 3>severance trip becomes revolutionary because it essentially gives them complete

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 3>control of the human population if they can get people

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 3>to agree to severance. And yes, there's a lot, there's

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot more, but I know it's not real.

0:53:51.719 --> 0:54:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Love this, but that's what.

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I just want to note.

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Also, while I think this theory has gotta be wrong,

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I just want to note that keeping the bed could

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>be like a vampire lore thing. He has to stay, yes,

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>has to stay, has to rest in a coffin of

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 1>like filled with the native soil of water.

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Remember when Rickenrick has the dinnerless dinner pie with no food,

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:33.479
<v Speaker 3>so like are those people vampires? And dude also as well,

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I did like this because this is very basically every

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of y a vampire law. Another point they made

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:44.040
<v Speaker 3>was like Mark and Jemma. You know, they're donating the

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 3>blood at the lumin Blood donation clinic. Another thing that

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 3>the vampires would love because they can drink lots of blood.

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 3>But that mention of like Gemma was in his blood

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 3>and why is marked so important? Maybe there's something in

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 3>their blood that the vampires are interested in. I love

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 3>this also, this is a really bleak one and I

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 3>do think that to a point, this is going to

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 3>be really important, though I doubt that it's going to

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:10.919
<v Speaker 3>be as simple as a vampire type situation. Miss Wang

0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 3>says to Miltchik, we shouldn't let them have funerals because

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 3>it will make them feel like humans, and we get

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that animal type. When Miltchik says, tighten

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.959
<v Speaker 3>the leak, like this idea that they are a sub

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 3>human group who are essentially animals, which we know could

0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 3>be about you know, are they enslaved people? We've talked

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 3>about that, but it could take that crazy genre twist

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and be more so.

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 5>That's why the vampires started with the exactly.

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I just want to say, I'm going to find I'm

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna find beginning camera three zero one seven, and I'm going.

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 2>To give them a reward, a real reward.

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I love this one. This one blew my

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 3>mind when I was reading through all the theories. So

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I had to share that with you guys, because what

0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 3>I love about it is what Severance has done here

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 3>is last week we were talking about oh, you know,

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 3>harmony Cabell and is it just about you know, standard

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:10.160
<v Speaker 3>child labor, horrible corporation behavior, And then we get back

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 3>into this episode and we're all like, wait a minute, No,

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 3>that isn't what it's about, Like is life a simulation?

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Like where are they sending people? How do you get severed?

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.839
<v Speaker 3>What is the purpose of it? And I love that

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the show is so open ended and so surprising that

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 3>when someone makes a theory like this they confine points

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 3>to support it, like I don't do I think this

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:35.040
<v Speaker 3>is true? No? But do. I absolutely love the fact

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.760
<v Speaker 3>that Severance is a show based on the simple premise

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.760
<v Speaker 3>of what if you didn't have to experience going to work?

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 3>That two seasons in has got us talking about vampires.

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I will I will say that one theory that I

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>think is right that I've seen out there is that

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that Helly Inny is the prime personality of Helena,

0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:01.200
<v Speaker 1>like when Jame comes down there, this is just my I

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:06.440
<v Speaker 1>think that Helly was, as we see, extremely rebellious, probably

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't agree with what the family was doing. Remember in

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the season, in the season one finale, when she's like

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>asking for forgiveness for all the things that the company

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is doing. So I think that they flip her yes,

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and they created the version that was created, the semi

0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 1>version that was going to be more compliant, more like

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>down with Flumen and they and they put the prime

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Helena inside, which also.

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 5>My poor heart, because if you think about the pregnant

0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 5>woman in the birth and Center that we meet, like

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 5>their behavior is very similar to Helena's, which is to say,

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm a little confused to what's going on.

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:47.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm not giving you much input.

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 5>I have thoughts and ideas like you shouldn't be here, Devin,

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 5>but also like just like a malaise, just kind of

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 5>wandering through life.

0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.240
<v Speaker 4>And that's totally yeah.

0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 3>I think about the different motivations that people have for

0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 3>getting severed, which is like but wants to be innocent,

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 3>he wants to escape his past. Mark wants to do

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.800
<v Speaker 3>it for loss or grief, but throughout history, any kind

0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 3>of procedure like this or scientific thing is often used

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 3>to also oppress people first, and the same way that

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you know fathers and husbands would put their wives and

0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 3>daughters into mental institutes if they had babies early, or

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.800
<v Speaker 3>if they spoke out against them, or if you know

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 3>the Kennedy daughter who got a lobotomy. You know, this

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 3>is very much in that space of Oh, so you

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 3>can also choose what part of somebody gets severed if

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you want to put them in there.

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think this comports with our over like the

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 1>theory that we have that there are perma perma severed's

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.520
<v Speaker 1>perma innies, like I think that Milchik is probably a

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 1>perma INNI I think that Natalie is one of these

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.360
<v Speaker 1>as well, where they just severed until they got the

0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 1>personality wanted and so they use I think Drummond who's

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>probably like that as well. And all of which leads

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>back to like a bunch of folks who don't know

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.160
<v Speaker 1>who they really are, living like these very complex lives. Anyway,

0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea where this show is anybody.

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:20.840
<v Speaker 5>Crazy, okay, Joel, most they're like a seventy nine hour

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 5>episode crazy.

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Coming up thoughts on what we will see in the

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 3>seventy six minute long Severance finale.

0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so I think that one thing Severance will need

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 5>to do as a show, like if we just zone

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:35.960
<v Speaker 5>out and look at it as a show, is like

0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:39.240
<v Speaker 5>potentially expand the world. And by that I mean they

0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 5>start this season by introducing us to a whole but yes,

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:48.240
<v Speaker 5>three new characters who have connections outside of this space.

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 5>One thing we're sort of talking about earlier is this

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:55.680
<v Speaker 5>idea of like why here, why have these cold, sort

0:59:55.680 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 5>of isolated places and what why does Lumin to convince

1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.920
<v Speaker 5>other people that Severance is okay, Like it's happening, it's

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:06.800
<v Speaker 5>clearly legal, So what is the big is you? I

1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.080
<v Speaker 5>think with the amount of rebellion we've seen from our

1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:13.640
<v Speaker 5>severed folks that we've seen all that somewhere else outside

1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:16.640
<v Speaker 5>in the world, Lumin has seen like a revolution of

1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.800
<v Speaker 5>any's and people were like it's not good over there,

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Like they're not happy, they're miserable, and so they're like,

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 5>we have to perfect Severence up here in these isolated

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 5>spaces so that we can convince the world that this

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 5>is a good things.

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:30.200
<v Speaker 4>We can make more money.

1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.920
<v Speaker 5>I would love to see some of that, like rebellion.

1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 5>I'd love to see, like, what is it they're fighting externally?

1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:39.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't think we necessarily have to see it. I

1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.200
<v Speaker 5>think if there's one question that they absolutely must answer

1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:48.920
<v Speaker 5>in this finale, I need to know what's going on

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.440
<v Speaker 5>with the Shadow people the way they were introduced first episode,

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.400
<v Speaker 5>middle episode, Please conclude giving me idea who the who

1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:59.920
<v Speaker 5>are the Shadow twin not robot people?

1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 4>Please?

1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:09.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a Bear season two style stunt casting, cameo flex

1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that will never come back around again. They you know,

1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:16.200
<v Speaker 1>like the way mulaney and Jamie Lee Curis we're in

1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.400
<v Speaker 1>season two of The Bear and you're like, wow, I

1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:20.520
<v Speaker 1>think they did that. I think there's a world in

1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:22.240
<v Speaker 1>which they were like, our show has a lot of

1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.640
<v Speaker 1>juice now, and we can we can work with people

1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>who've always wanted to work with, who we think are great,

1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and you can put in the mid right and so

1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:32.840
<v Speaker 1>then we can cast these people who are never going

1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to come back as as a kind of like bottle

1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 1>casting with some of our favorite actors. And I think

1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that there's a world in which those that plotline never

1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 1>comes back around. It doesn't matter. Mm hmmm.

1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:47.560
<v Speaker 5>I hope they pull a solid Bear and give us

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:50.479
<v Speaker 5>a yeah, like they bring Jamie Lee back to such

1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:52.640
<v Speaker 5>great heights that I think there's potential for that. But

1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:54.840
<v Speaker 5>I hear you where it was just like, oh we

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:55.120
<v Speaker 5>love it.

1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, totally possible, totally possible.

1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:04.800
<v Speaker 5>What about you, Rosie? What are your big thoughts for

1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 5>the finale? What are we gonna say.

1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Needs to have their vampires? No?

1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:13.320
<v Speaker 3>No, I think I think the things that we need

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to know is there needs to be a question answered

1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:21.600
<v Speaker 3>of I think that we start needing to know why Mark,

1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Like I just need to even get of that because

1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.160
<v Speaker 3>it is why Mark?

1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Why Gemma?

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<v Speaker 3>I also think we are something. I was surprised when

1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I was doing my watches of this episode and kind

1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:40.080
<v Speaker 3>of reading as I went and seeing what people were

1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:43.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of feeling. I was shocked by how many people

1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:47.840
<v Speaker 3>are deeply invested in the Mark and Helly relationship, even

1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:54.480
<v Speaker 3>after the reveal of Jemmy. It's definitely giving racist fandom shipping.

1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie like it's throwing me back to

1:02:56.840 --> 1:03:00.360
<v Speaker 3>the sleepy hollow eras and the flash eras. But I

1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:03.320
<v Speaker 3>want to see if the show will make a distinct

1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.439
<v Speaker 3>commentary on that in the finale. Will we see that

1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Mark and Jemma reunite.

1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that real?

1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Will they leave a tease of Mark still having those

1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:15.520
<v Speaker 3>feelings for Helly? I feel like that is gone for

1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.320
<v Speaker 3>him now he knows Gemma is alive. But that might

1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.120
<v Speaker 3>just be because they haven't gotten together. Also, I think

1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:24.360
<v Speaker 3>we got to get a little bit more info. It's

1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:26.360
<v Speaker 3>hard to say, like what questions do they need to answer,

1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:28.960
<v Speaker 3>because they're probably not going to answer any definitively, But

1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I feel like we've got to talk about reintegration a

1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:37.880
<v Speaker 3>little bit more. It is it working? How does it work?

1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Do we have multiple severed marks? I just think they

1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:44.400
<v Speaker 3>need to both they're in that very tough situation which

1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:46.840
<v Speaker 3>we've seen with a lot of shows, a lot of

1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:50.400
<v Speaker 3>franchises that MCU is very much in this situation. They

1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:53.480
<v Speaker 3>both have to expand the world enough that we want

1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:56.439
<v Speaker 3>to come back to it in season three whilst kind

1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.640
<v Speaker 3>of closing and tying closing some doors and tying up

1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:03.080
<v Speaker 3>something reds. So I think those are kind of the

1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:06.520
<v Speaker 3>major major spots that I need them to talk about.

1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Secret Egan would be good.

1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Also, something that is really funny in thinking about this

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<v Speaker 3>after you guys brought up Dylan, is that his crush

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<v Speaker 3>on this Casey is like so much funnier now because

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<v Speaker 3>that was him trying to like fuck someone else's wife again.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is just like his truth life.

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<v Speaker 4>Is Dylan still alive?

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<v Speaker 3>Any Dylan? That's what I want to know. I love

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<v Speaker 3>any Dylan, So yeah, I don't know. So many questions my.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what I think for the finale, I think overall,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that they kind of have to give

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<v Speaker 1>us or we're gonna get annoyed is Cold Harbor. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it we have to get that Cold Harbor cannot

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<v Speaker 1>extend into season three? The mystery must end to the finale.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know either, but it feel like that. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like that's the one thing. And I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>like just zooming out. I think the show. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>how you know it's good is even though there are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have some nitpicks. As I've mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are moments, there are seams in the cloth where

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like here's where we could learn more, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not letting us learn more because they want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the mystery bubbling. And I think you mentioned reintegration, Rosine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I think reintegration frankly as a plotline

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<v Speaker 1>kind of is a failure and too ambiguous, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Mark under Mark undergoes reintegration and it kind of works,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it doesn't work, so Regabi has to come

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<v Speaker 1>in and juice it and flood the trip so it

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<v Speaker 1>really works, and now he gets this flood of memories.

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<v Speaker 1>He remembers Jem and I remembers all this stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>remembers what's happening down there. But then it doesn't work again,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point that they now need Kobel for question

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Why, Like I I but do they need Nicovella?

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<v Speaker 4>Or is Devin a spy?

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<v Speaker 5>Like why why good Govey good wild? But why did

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<v Speaker 5>you call ninety seven times like she's weird? Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>tried to steal your baby. She definitely lied about being

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<v Speaker 5>like a milky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think so. I think reintegration. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't understand if it worked or not and what

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of it ever really was, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>to me has kind of been quietly annoying. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that we don't care about is because the show's

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<v Speaker 1>so fucking good, Like I you know, like the show

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<v Speaker 1>is great, So I think that you know, some substantive

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<v Speaker 1>reveal on Cold Harbor, and generally continuing the thing they've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing, which is telling us stuff while expanding the

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<v Speaker 1>mystery but not doing it, but keeping that balance balance

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<v Speaker 1>so that we're never learning so much that the dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>engine ceases and we're never so mystified that we're like.

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<v Speaker 4>Fucking why, Like now I'm annoyed and I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm never going to get this payoff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think just those things and all of which would be

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like accomplished with some substantive revelation about the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of Cold Harbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can.

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<v Speaker 3>They solve the mystery of Cold Harbor while expanding.

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<v Speaker 2>The universe enough that we want to keep watching the show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very Yellow Jackets and of Yellow Show, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>Cold Harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>While Cold Harbor certainly seems threaded into the revolving and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever's going on with Jamee, like resolving that does not

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what Luman is doing? Why Mark, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>why Mark? Why Jema does not tell us what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is going on with the Egans, Like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other stuff that would not be.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly not you know, it's we two seasons in its

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<v Speaker 3>obviously not an anthology show, but there is a world

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<v Speaker 3>where when the mark and gemma of it all is solved,

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<v Speaker 3>they could take us anywhere else and follow any other

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<v Speaker 3>characters within the Severance world. Oh yea guys, I know

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<v Speaker 3>I read too much, ya, but I am interested in

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<v Speaker 3>the Regarbi Cabell connection. To me, it definitely feels like

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<v Speaker 3>they both worked at the Minds and they were friends

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<v Speaker 3>and harmony created it and Regarby maybe with Regarbi iron

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<v Speaker 3>man style where Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that makes a lot of sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>think her first the first technician, the Regabi had the

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<v Speaker 1>actual surgical skills to do it, and exactly Cobell was

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<v Speaker 1>the mind behind the technology.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Regarby rebelled and now the two of them

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<v Speaker 3>are And that's why Regarbi's like, I can't be here.

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<v Speaker 3>If Kobel gets there, I think the two of them

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be way more connected. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that would be an easy reveal that would make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I had one crazy reveal that I'll leave Okay with vampires.

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<v Speaker 3>Irving is on the phone with Devon Okay. That would

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<v Speaker 3>actually be so crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>Though, Wait you think, oh my god, wait wait, Devin

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<v Speaker 7>could be double crossing the double crosses and actually be

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<v Speaker 7>part of like a resistance the Irving is part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of, and she's playing it simplistic and playing it completely

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<v Speaker 1>weak and does not what's going on. I'm so confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta call Kobel.

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<v Speaker 4>She's because she's start a Cobel here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because she's part of this much more substantive resistance

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<v Speaker 1>to Lumen that is necessarily hiding how much they know.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. Also.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved the moment in the car where she says, oh, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>the wind was whistling over the hole in the back

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<v Speaker 3>of your skull. So I didn't quite get that that

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<v Speaker 3>Devon could be part of a resistance.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>Devin is such a mystery character, and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 5>thrilling the way people are like, no, she's definitely evil. No,

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<v Speaker 5>she's just a good sister. No she might maybe she's

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<v Speaker 5>a double spy. Like I just really like the way

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<v Speaker 5>the show has been able to both tell us a

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<v Speaker 5>solid story that keeps.

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<v Speaker 4>Us integrated and then also integrated, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Also Lisa, I have so many questions about every single character.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't feel like I fully know who anyone is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I cannot wait for this. On the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode of X ray Vision, we're continuing our descent to

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<v Speaker 1>Hell with Daredevil borning into a four. Of course. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be covering Severance next week Saturday Night News,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course come back next Tuesday for our

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<v Speaker 1>second book Club, where we're reviewing The Merchant and the

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<v Speaker 1>Alchemist Gade from the Short Story Latest Short Story Collection

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<v Speaker 1>Exhalation by Ted Chick. That's it for this episode, Thanks

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