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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the penultimate episode from

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Speaker 1: the second season of Severance The After Hours, So if

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Speaker 1: you have not watched that, go watch that. Come back here. Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Mersey Night and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Back to x ray Vision of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: you three episodes every single week plus news.

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Speaker 3: This week, we are talking about that very penultimate episode Severance.

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Speaker 3: What can they reveal before the season ends that is

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Speaker 3: going to keep people happy and keep people hooked. That's

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Speaker 3: really what we're gonna be theorizing about after we break

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Speaker 3: down all of the shocking and also shocking events. This

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Speaker 3: is a very interesting episode because it feels both full

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Speaker 3: and also slightly empty, especially after the big reveals of

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Speaker 3: the last episode.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Theories are gonna be popping, and people are gonna be arguing.

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Speaker 3: It's a stressful one, okay.

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Speaker 1: Season two episode nine of Severance The After Hours penultimate

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Speaker 1: episode ten episode season this season, in contrast to season

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Speaker 1: one's nine episode run. We open at the Egan family compound,

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Speaker 1: where we see Helena Egan going through her morning routine,

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Speaker 1: which is lots of laps in the pool, and then

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Speaker 1: she goes to see her dad, Jame the whispery Joe

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Speaker 1: Bie voiced James.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this man so creepy.

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Speaker 1: He's an ancient guy, and it's a big day, apparently,

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Speaker 1: he says, a momentous day. His revolving. I would assume

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Speaker 1: this is. You know, he's talked about this when we

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Speaker 1: saw him at the end of season one. His revolving

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Speaker 1: is coming up, and we know that Cold Harbor is

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Speaker 1: at ninety six percent, so this is These things are

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Speaker 1: probably all interlinked somehow, but a big day. Helena agrees.

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Speaker 1: She asks, are you gonna eat? Are you eating today?

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Speaker 1: He says, nobody's gonna watch her eat creepy a boiled

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Speaker 1: egg while he SIPs coffee, and she like carefully slices

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Speaker 1: this one egg and then eats it on a porcelain

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Speaker 1: plate that appears to be have like a artwork like seven.

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Speaker 1: It looks like seventeenth century Dutch artwork depicting a dentistry scene.

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Speaker 2: Very creepy, and.

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Speaker 1: She's like carefully slicing up this hard boiled egg and

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Speaker 1: Dad says, I wish you'd take them raw, which is

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Speaker 1: a reference to Cure's kiri in the ancestors favorite meal,

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Speaker 1: which is apparently raw eggs. So how they that's running

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Speaker 1: Helly then gets driven away, presumably to Lumen, as we

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Speaker 1: the huge Lumin water tower, allowing us to kind of

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Speaker 1: situate the Egan mansion in town. And it does make

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Speaker 1: me wonder if there is if this whole town isn't

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Speaker 1: in some way under the sway of Lumen, no one

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Speaker 3: I would also say lots of theories abound about the

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Speaker 3: potential that Lumen is putting something in the water. Lumen

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Speaker 3: is trying to influence people's behavior by you know, drugging

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that more in the theories, but

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Speaker 3: I felt like the massive Lumen water tower is very

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Speaker 1: Yes, we go to Lumen where Eustacewong is with Milchick

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Speaker 1: who's been like he's been engaged in a little power

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Speaker 3: And also as well, Jason, you know, I think you

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Speaker 3: uncovered that this made me think of during the in

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Speaker 3: between episodes eight and nine, could you talk a little

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to remind people about

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Speaker 1: I still don't get the three beds. Ricken says, right,

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that Devin as and Ricken is

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are there must be spies in town,

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Speaker 1: And guess what, you got to destroy your little ring

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Speaker 1: While Cobel's was the Year of Wiles, so references to

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Speaker 1: We then go to Audi Dylan's house, where his wife

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Speaker 1: Gretchen admits to him that he's she's been having an

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Speaker 2: His any merit we but don't do it. Don't do it, merret.

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Speaker 1: He is absolutely shocked. She's in her work. Her first responder,

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Speaker 3: Which I actually thought this was a great moment because

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Speaker 3: it also gives us more insight into how the innis

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Speaker 2: Because he literally is like, well if I just killed

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Speaker 1: He also says like, I'm going to work and don't

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Speaker 1: We go into Lumit where Maer is observing Gemma in

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Speaker 1: He becomes alarmed at nine am the numbers aren't moving.

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Speaker 1: the win for them would be she has no reaction.

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Speaker 1: That's the theory supported by this little thing, this little

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Speaker 1: She goes down to MDR. But no one's at work,

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Speaker 1: because of last time she saw him he had that nosebleed.

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Speaker 1: Devin is driving Mark to meet Cobell. Mark has a

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Speaker 1: thinks going to meet Cobell as a mistake. It certainly

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Speaker 1: feels like that. I think, to all of us, what

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Speaker 1: if it's trap? He says. Devin says, we need her.

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Speaker 1: I would go I would why do we need her?

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Speaker 3: There is something between Devin and Cabel that we don't

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna be an ally to the innies? I

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Speaker 1: I'm eager to talk about this later, because I do

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Speaker 1: something that comes through severance, So maybe he feels that

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00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: despite being severed. Irving is like, can't we just keep

434
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: going with this? Like I've never been in love before,

435
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: I've never been loved by another person, which is so

436
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: sad to hear, and Bert is like, well, now you

437
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: have been, like has a feel and like it feels good,

438
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: like I don't wanted to stop, which you know, it's like,

439
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: can't we just do that? And Bert very strongly says no,

440
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: we can't.

441
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: And they don't even get to have a kiss.

442
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 3: They just kind of wish they can't do this, and

443
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: it's oh, it's heartbreaking.

444
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: It's heartbring. Serving gets on the train with Radar, his dog,

445
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: and they leave town into literally into the sunset, and

446
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: again makes you feel as if is like, is this

447
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: town like a simulation? What's going on here? Because it

448
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: feels yes, leave. The shot of the train leaving felt

449
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: weird to me. Also, it was any very.

450
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: Like sunset like picture perfect, not really.

451
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, while that is happening, we see the elevator doors

452
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: open and Dylan get on the elevator, and we don't

453
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: see the transition to audi but we assume that that's

454
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen soon and that's gonna be the end of ity.

455
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: Dylan potentially question mark that evening Mark is in the

456
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: bed of the truck that Kobel got insult set. Meanwhile,

457
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: down on the Severn floor, Helly is trying to memorize

458
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: the directions on the back of the map to go

459
00:25:54,040 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 1: to the elevator. Jame Jame Eagan appears in the doorway

460
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: doing on that well today is the revolving if that

461
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: is indeed what is happening, so clearly not eating and

462
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 1: then appearing here, he had some kind of procedure that

463
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: he was going to undergo, so he appears there and

464
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: he accuses Helly, if you tricked me about what We'll

465
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: talk about that more later. Cobel arrives at the birthing

466
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: retreat and talks her way past the security guard. Is

467
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: basically we're going to cottage five. This woman is she

468
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: says ominously one of James, which is like, how many women.

469
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Has Jane been doing whatever with QUI.

470
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about that into this because it's

471
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: pretty crazy.

472
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: That's not great. Cobel in the Guard then share a

473
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: dialogue from a classic episode of The Twilight Zone. I

474
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: forget the name of the episode, but it's the one

475
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: where the the mannequins.

476
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that episode so much.

477
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: It's the one where the mannequins are alive.

478
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: In the department store, in the department capitore, kind of almost.

479
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Like a week or something outside of.

480
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: The scrum Spring.

481
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: It's like where they get to live as a person.

482
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: And this one h manniquin had loved it so much

483
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: that they forgot they were a mannequin, and only when

484
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: coming back into the store to shop as a person

485
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: do they come to realize horrifyingly the truth that they

486
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: are a mannequin who forgot who they were. This feels

487
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: Ray pointed. So that's clearly like a coded password that

488
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: passes between Cobel and this car. So they drive up

489
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: on the drive mark the transformation happens. So clearly it

490
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: doesn't that the any audi transformation there on the grounds

491
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: takes place outside of the cabin, it seems because it

492
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: just kind of hit him. He wakes up in the

493
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: Birthing cottage. He's confused, he's his any self, he doesn't

494
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: know where he is. He goes up to see Cobel.

495
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: She's waiting upstairs. Devin asks, any Mark, do you remember

496
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: the last thing you said to Cobell? And he's like yes,

497
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Season one finale, She's alive, meaning Gemma, And then we

498
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: go to credits. Okay, crazy episode. I feel like I

499
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: know less than I knew.

500
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: When I actually find that the most interesting thing about this.

501
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: But let's go to.

502
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: A message from our sponsors, who are definitely not Lumen,

503
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: and then we'll come back and tap in super producer

504
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: Joel for predictions.

505
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: We're back. Let's bring in Joel to talk about a

506
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: crazy episode of the Severance television program. Joel, your thoughts,

507
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: your initial takeaways this episode before we start getting into it.

508
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 5: Pen Ultimate episodes are so fascinating to me. I think

509
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 5: they're difficult to nail, challenging to Like, you want to

510
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 5: lead into a place where you're able to like leave

511
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 5: with the giant cliffhanger. You want big action in the finale.

512
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: It's got to all build up to this. But the

513
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: Penn Ultimate really sets that up. And what I found

514
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: so interesting is before this week, get this sort of

515
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: solo episode with Harmony where she's going through her past,

516
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 5: a lot feels revealed to us, and then this episode

517
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: it's almost almost business as usual, but something's off everywhere.

518
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 5: Everyone is not on their game, like both Helena and

519
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 5: Helly doing some weird stuff. Helly's pushing back against bosses.

520
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 5: Helena that swimming scene where she's in the pool and

521
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: at one point you're like, is she at the surface

522
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: or is she downing at the bottom.

523
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: The lights are sort.

524
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: Of over her head in a strange way that makes

525
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: you wonder. I mean, when we see water is so

526
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: prevalent in this show, that was wondering, is this like

527
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 5: a pivot point for her? And we're just not fully

528
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 5: keyed into what's happening with her yet. I think what's

529
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 5: been really interesting about this episode is we see a

530
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: lot of things we've heard from any's previously reflected in

531
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 5: their audi's sort of behavior. For example, Dylan in season one,

532
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: Dylan has this moment where he's like, you know, I

533
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 5: like to imagine my Audi is out there just you

534
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: having sex with people's wives, Like I really like the

535
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: idea he's out here.

536
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: Like courting other peals.

537
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: And when Audi Dylan learns that any Dylan has essentially

538
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: been doing this to him, like, his meltdown is so intense.

539
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: Because she does reveal that it was you know, she

540
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: says she kissed the any. I would say they made out,

541
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: but still they didn't sleep together.

542
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: She well, hold on, she gives him The craziest part

543
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: of it is she gives him a duration. She goes

544
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: for about a minute made out, which is like.

545
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: Why are you telling you don't need to know that?

546
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: Like, but bah, the confessions they're weird time, You're like,

547
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: it was only a minute?

548
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: What? But ay the same time, like, his meltdown is

549
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: so severe, you know, it feels like a huge, huge

550
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: betrayal to him.

551
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 5: Well, and look at what he does, Like his first

552
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: reaction is to throwout his green smoothie, which it sort

553
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 5: of feels like, you know.

554
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Why am I being healthy for you? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah,

555
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: this is the thing I'm doing for you.

556
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 5: This is a thing, like and you don't even care

557
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: about it. I think we see so much of Helly

558
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: rebelling and being like this isn't fair.

559
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: She's all about justice and You're just like kind of

560
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: looking at Elena like is this you do?

561
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: Is that?

562
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: Is that within you? So I'm really excited.

563
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 5: To see if we get a turn from her, particularly

564
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: after Dad goes downstairs to see Helly.

565
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: What a weird moment. The other thing I was, you

566
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: guys were.

567
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 5: Just contemplating, like, hey, is not irving, but but is severed.

568
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: What's he ever severed?

569
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: What's happening?

570
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: I have any thought, and it's I think Bert early

571
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: severed person, and not only early severed person, but also

572
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 5: one of the first to have multiple separate spaces.

573
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: I think. Then he says, I didn't hurt anyone this

574
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: version of.

575
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: Her, but.

576
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think, And I think part of

577
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: the reason that he is so desperate to get her

578
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: ring out of town is he does not want to

579
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: be the one who does it, to flip the OTC

580
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: switch and all of a sudden he becomes killer Bert.

581
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: And he does not kill these gays and do not

582
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: just gay kill his gay love.

583
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: I will be very distressed.

584
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I can't, so let's sorry.

585
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: I think before we let's start with what we know,

586
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: Let's do it in the finale, because I think that's

587
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: a great way to frame that.

588
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so I watched because I'm like, what the fuck

589
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: is going on in this show? I watched the finale

590
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: of season one while in the middle of my second

591
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: and third rewatches of this episode. And Okay, here's some

592
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: stuff that we know. Current CEO of Learning and public

593
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: face of Severance as the inventor of the technology is

594
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Jame Egan, who is still active somehow in the company. Okay,

595
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: we know that, and I think that's an important thing

596
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: to know for various reasons because his revolving, which he

597
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: talks about in season one, is apparently happening this day.

598
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Is it going to happen? Is it not going to happen.

599
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: We don't know what revolving is, but we know it's

600
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: an important thing for Jame and potentially the company, although

601
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: it's unclear if those things are connected. What else do

602
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: we know?

603
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: We know Harmony was the real inventa.

604
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: We know Harmony is the real inventor of Severance, and

605
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: that credit for that process is clearly a big motivation

606
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: for her and the frustration with not being credited with it.

607
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: So while you know, whatever it is that she is doing,

608
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: whatever her plan is, visa v mark credit or revenge

609
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: for being cut out of the credit, I think is

610
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: a huge motivator for her. What else we know? We

611
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: know Jema's alive, okay, and we know that she is

612
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: fairly close to one hundred percent on Cold Harbor, and

613
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: that we know that after that she will cease to exist.

614
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Does that mean she is dead? Does that means her

615
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: mind is white? Does that mean she it disappears into

616
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: the lumin ecosystem and never comes out. Does it mean

617
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: but we know that she right? We know that she

618
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: is her gema person is gone forever once one hundred

619
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: percent hits that we know. We know that Lumen has

620
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: multiple offices, and I will is it not interesting that

621
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: many of the offices that we hear about are in

622
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: cold climates? Like there's the old one in Salt Neck,

623
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: there's the one here and cure it's far Bard. Now, like,

624
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: what is it about Salt Neck that is potentially important

625
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: to whatever their work is?

626
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: I guys known, I'm not gonna bring it up, but

627
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tease that I have a crazy but unbelievably

628
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: researched theory that I am going to drop at the

629
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: end of this episode, and it's gonna blow your mind

630
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: because it's actually so good, and I think the coldness

631
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: could add to it.

632
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: Okay, we we know that you're love uh raw eggs,

633
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: and that apparently Jamee likes you know, continues the thing

634
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: wants to see people eat raw eggs.

635
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: Great note on that that somebody pulled up and Reddit

636
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: they thought was really good. Which is a war egg

637
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: is you know, you can separate it, but generally just

638
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: goes down as one. Right when Helena eats her egg,

639
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: she eats the inside and the outside of the egg separately.

640
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: And they don't get crossed those of us.

641
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: So I also wonder if there's some kind of analogous

642
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: situation there about the inny and the aunt tea of

643
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: it all and the same soul and the separate souls.

644
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really good catch that somebody

645
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: brought Ueah.

646
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: We know that severance activating the chip can happen anywhere,

647
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: including off of lumen grounds, and the range is tbd.

648
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: Do you have to be in range of the water power?

649
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Do you have to be a range of some kind

650
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: of signal? We don't know. But what we do know is,

651
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: as we saw at the end of last season, OTC

652
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: and we saw in the season with the Orpo that

653
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: you can flip it and that there is a room

654
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: that you can access to and maybe more than one

655
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: room where you can flip switches and get the innies

656
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: to become Audis and vice versa, and that can happen anywhere.

657
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: Why would you need that? I don't I don't know

658
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: why you would need that? Are we missing anything else? Oh?

659
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: We know now that Jane Egan has been taking a

660
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: string of women to the birthing cottage for probably off

661
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: the books reasons, and that that is extremely concerning and troubling.

662
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know, can we say we know that

663
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 3: Luhmen is Luhman has at least one if and likely

664
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: many many more assassins people to disappear, people like they

665
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: they have been engaging in shady secret of behavior for

666
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: a long time.

667
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 5: And the names are very important, they're specific, not call Achilles. Like,

668
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: can we start with the baby Mamas and the drama

669
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: because I think it opens the most important question that

670
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 5: people have been batting around for a long time, which

671
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 5: is why else isn't Eager Megan?

672
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: I think is the big question.

673
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: Is who are bring up?

674
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: I think earlier in this season, the kind of parallel

675
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: between you know, presidents who were slavers, who rape their

676
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: slaves and now have you know, hundreds of relatives.

677
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: I think there is.

678
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: An element there that they are drawing on that is

679
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: really horrific. And how many Egans are there? Do you

680
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: have to have Egan blood to be in Lumen?

681
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: Is it that kind of situation?

682
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: I also saw another great pull on Reddit where the

683
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: Reddit poster suggested that Lumen had been putting something in

684
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: the water that meant that people were infertile, meaning they

685
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: had to go to the Lumen run fertility clinics where

686
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: then they were being impregnated potentially with Lumen, I mean

687
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: Egan DNA.

688
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 5: I think we've seen corporations do before, whether if not

689
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: necessarily in the water, but absolutely sterilizing women without their consent.

690
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: So that's a really interesting theory. I have a couple

691
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 5: of theories on who.

692
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: I think could be a secret Lumin Jeson. Do you have.

693
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Ian?

694
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have in a secret Egan theories, but

695
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I do want to note that in season one, when

696
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: it is being explained to any Mark who has been

697
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: ot seed and is now outside at Rickens book event,

698
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: at Devin and Rickens home when it's being explained by

699
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: Devin to any Mark that he had a wife but

700
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: he couldn't forget her, which is why he went to

701
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Lumen and got severed. She says it in a very

702
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: interesting way, which is but Gemma was just in his

703
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: blood and he couldn't get away from her. So I

704
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: just wanted to raise that as like an interesting way.

705
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Is she just being poetic or is that and again

706
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: devon being inculcated with this kind of Egan philosophy in

707
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: ways that maybe she doesn't even know about it anyway,

708
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: So you secretiggans?

709
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.

710
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 5: My first guess is Ricken he's got he's baby vibes,

711
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 5: not even his nepo baby vibes.

712
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: I do wonder if they know their secret.

713
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: I think they don't, you know what I mean. Sorry

714
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: to interrupt, but I just want to say that I

715
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: think that there's abdy that a lot of the people

716
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: in this town have, if not been severed, or they

717
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: don't know who they are or who they started as.

718
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: And I think that the title of this episode, the

719
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: after Hours, which is a reference to that uh classic

720
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone episode, kind of suggests that that all of

721
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: these people, if not most of them, have forgotten who

722
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: they are, don't actually know the origins of where they

723
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: came from.

724
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: Yes, I agree, And so with that sort of in mind,

725
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: and that Twilight Zone episode which is called Yes, after

726
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: Hours so good, there's something if you if you watch

727
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: after Hours, there's like a magnetic pull back to the store,

728
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 5: Like she's like, I don't know why I keep coming here,

729
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 5: but I just keep coming back, which is the thing

730
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 5: we see over and over again throughout the series of PEP.

731
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: We were like, why are you going back to this building?

732
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 5: It's no good in there. Get the hell out. And

733
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: with Rick and you know, he's so determined throughout, like

734
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: the first half of season one to be like, hey,

735
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: listen this book.

736
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: I wrote it.

737
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. It's gonna change lives.

738
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: I can really see like a future that's much brighter

739
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: because of this book. Then the minute, the minute Lumin

740
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 5: steps in and is like, hey, you actually did help people.

741
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: We just need to tweak me.

742
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: He's so quick to change, and he's constantly coming back

743
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: around to Lumin and being involved in what feels to

744
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 5: me to be very shady. I also think his haircut

745
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 5: is a clue anyone with a weird haircut. I'm like,

746
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 5: possibly an Egan. Those paintings are saying a lot, which

747
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: leads me to my biggest suspect, who I also don't

748
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 5: think knows. I wonder if Harmony is an Egan. I

749
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 5: can hear me out one thing we know about her mother,

750
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 5: She fucking hates hates them with a passion. We don't

751
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 5: hear anything about a father for Harmony. We know that

752
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: she's in that town where the Keys sort of started

753
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 5: his journey.

754
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 4: We know that that ether was really important early on.

755
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: And there's something to be said about bastards who are

756
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: sort of looked over to be like do you have

757
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: potential in the bloodline, like you know what I mean?

758
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 5: And then get plucked from obscurity and sort of, you know,

759
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 5: use as a pawn.

760
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: And a tool within like a hierarchy.

761
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: I think that sort of fits Harmony to a tea,

762
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 5: and it also would sort of give creedence to this

763
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: weird energy she has with Helena. Right, you're a bastard.

764
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: Do you think you're very like you're worth more than

765
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: you are? You think this invention is everything? You don't

766
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: even own it, Like you're not grateful for all that

767
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: we've given you when you should be. Those are my

768
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: two suspects. Either could definitely be more. I'm hoping we

769
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 5: get a tease of it at the end, like with

770
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 5: us being at the birthing Center, with us having seen

771
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 5: some stuff there. I hope we get to figure out

772
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 5: if there's a secrets want to pull on a couple

773
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: of different threads in watching back on the season one

774
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 5: finale when Helly busts out after the you know the

775
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 5: OTC is going on, Helly busts out and she is

776
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: at that Lumine event where clearly Lumen has been running a.

777
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Worldwide campaign based around Helly being severed and working in

778
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: the company alongside severed people as a way to say, hey,

779
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: this is actually so safe, Like are the scion of

780
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: our company had it done to herself? And she's having

781
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: a great time in there, like Helly r loves being

782
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: severed and loves or co workers. And you see part

783
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: of the marketing she walks through like this big display

784
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: of the marketing materials and it's like, you know, Mark

785
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: and Irving and Dylan and they're all in there in

786
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: the pictures. Two things happen. One is she has a

787
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: conversation with the woman who heavily implies that she was

788
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: severed and that was what allowed her to have three kids,

789
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: and the husband that woman's husband says, I'm so happy

790
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you're doing this. You know, we're going to change a

791
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: lot of minds, Yes, suggesting that however big lumin is,

792
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: however widespread severances, there is significant resistance to it, and

793
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: changing public perception about was about severance is extremely important

794
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: for this company, who I think because this is how

795
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Cabridge it thinks, what want to take severance wider than

796
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: it is. How whatever level it's at, they want to

797
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: go up a level. And this is important to that.

798
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: This whole, the whole you know, Luminfest that they were

799
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: doing was an important peg in that.

800
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you also get those like this is going

801
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: to change the world. We need to like episode day

802
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: and nine, and that's a lot of like once Cold

803
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: Top happens, like it's going to change the world forever.

804
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: So that kind of like it.

805
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: Seems like that in this transitional step where they really

806
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: want to take it, you know, worldwide, this idea, and

807
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: we know that it is global, but I think they

808
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: want to make it kind of as normal as Ai

809
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: has quickly become.

810
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Yes, they want to have these offices, but it's not

811
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: clear that severance happens at all their offices. You know

812
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. One more quick thing I want

813
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: to pull out so you know, pr is going to

814
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: be important to them, So they're not They're not that

815
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: powerful yet. And two are we just like wrong about

816
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: like what they're are all our theories about Gema wrong

817
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: because it strikes me as so risky and irresponsible that

818
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: you have a woman who you have kidnapped ongoing federal crime.

819
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: She's being kidnapped and tortured down there, and then you

820
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: put her with people that you have in the worldwide

821
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: marketing materials for your product, Like, wouldn't you keep her

822
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: in a black box separate from those people? And even

823
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: though you clearly have intense confidence in your severance technology,

824
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: to never let them interact because if there's an OTC,

825
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: which there was, now that information is out there and

826
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: I think we do it to be fair. We do

827
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: see the company in season two kind of panicking about that,

828
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: but it feels like they should be panicking more. And

829
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: it feels like having Gemma interact with Mark on the

830
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: severed floor when Mark is in the advertising and people

831
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: know who he's not just like a a faceless lumin drone,

832
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: like he's part of their marketing. It just strikes me

833
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: as so risky. Why would they do that, Why would

834
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Cobel allow that to happen? And so are we just

835
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: wrong about like what they have planned for Gema? Are

836
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: they going to resurface her some out?

837
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: I don't hear.

838
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: I think this is good, though, Let's talk about questions

839
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: that they need to answer.

840
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this.

841
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: Is okay, okay, So first let me let me ponder

842
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: Jason Squeely.

843
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: I think I'm remembering Milchicken.

844
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: Harmony having a conversation when Harmony brings Gemma up for

845
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: like a full day to sit with Mark and the crew,

846
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 5: and Milchick is like, what are you fucking doing, lady,

847
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 5: Like you should be happy this is working, and she

848
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 5: was like, I just need to see I think that

849
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 5: Cobel Harmony was like, especially after what we learned about

850
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 5: her mother, I think she's got a lot of internal

851
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 5: conflict about this, and that her whole thing was like

852
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 5: a I want to make sure it fully works. It's

853
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 5: my experiment. She's like a scientist. She needs to see

854
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 5: it through to the end. I also think part of

855
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: her is hoping it doesn't work. I think part of

856
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: her is still so connected to her mother. Her mother

857
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 5: has such a rebellious spirit. She hated lumin She's still

858
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 5: working for Luma. I think there's like something going on

859
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: there where Harmony was like, listen, it's worth the risk.

860
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 5: And I think she was kind of like didn't care

861
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 5: about the overall outcome as long as she fully could

862
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: understand her experiment. I think the marketing and pr stuff

863
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: is like outside of her.

864
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: Interesting that makes a lot of sense.

865
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: And also I do think it seems more like personal

866
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: like that something she I.

867
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: Agree with you. I think control control over the severed floor.

868
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: Clearly Cobel was like wanted to run it her way

869
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: for whatever her reasons are, and I think those reasons

870
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: continue in whatever her plan is with Mark uh quick

871
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: thing about the revolving I think an active theory that

872
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: is out there is that the board doesn't exist and

873
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: the bored consciousnesses are severed versions of Jame, either their

874
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: stored versions of the Egan family that live within him

875
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: possibly or they're just severed pieces of him that have

876
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: been molded using the personalities and rooms that have happened

877
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: in the past, and then the revolving is literally like okay,

878
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: next personality takes over all of which is to say,

879
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that whatever is going on with the Egans

880
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and Jame is separate from the overall strategy that LUMAN is,

881
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: like the question of what is LUMAN doing, which is

882
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: what is their plan for the Severance technology? What are

883
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: they doing overall? I think those two things might be

884
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: parallel but kind of separate, because clearly with the it's

885
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: one of James's comment, and with this revolving thing that

886
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: is clearly something that like people outside of the family

887
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: don't even probably know about, Like I think that there

888
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: is and also the fact that Severance is twenty years old,

889
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: Max like, and that whatever has been going on with

890
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: Jame has probably been going on for a lot longer

891
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: than that. Therefore, I think that we need to think

892
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: about those two things separately a little bit.

893
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Guys, let me, let me I'm gonna blow you your mind.

894
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

895
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: right back.

896
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: And we're back. You guys have like perfect please setting

897
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: me up with every single So no, no, it's great.

898
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm just very excited because This is completely wild. I

899
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: absolutely don't think it's true. I wish it was true,

900
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: but I've got to say it because I think this

901
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: person just laid it out so incredibly and I just

902
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: randomly came across this. It has like one like but

903
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: I think that they make an incredible point here. I

904
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: would if you are afraid of the finale being ruined,

905
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: just in case this is real, please put your hands

906
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: over your ears.

907
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

908
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 3: So this kind of plays into what Jason is saying

909
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: about the nature of what Luman is actually doing, the

910
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 3: severance being different to what the egans want. But user

911
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: beginning camera three zero one seven has a theory about

912
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: who the board are, what they want, and why they

913
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: need the Severance floor, blood donations and fertility and birthing centers.

914
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: This is what they say everything.

915
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot to digest, so take your time.

916
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: It will blow your socks off. The board are dot

917
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: dot dot vampires and what do.

918
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: You This is so I am like this person's theory.

919
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: What they want is a compliant livestock.

920
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: Women has blood donating.

921
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 3: Clinics, the milk, fertility and birthing centers, husbandry tanks, and

922
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: the Severance floor. That gives them full control of their livestock.

923
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: The egans are the humans who run the company for

924
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: pr reasons and essentially get to like live because of that.

925
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: They are the facade of lumen. This is like a

926
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: twenty bullet point theory. So I will not do all,

927
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: but I will do some highlights. Lumin means life. The

928
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: Severance floors are underground with no windows or sunlight. The

929
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: OEND and MDR painting is the grim barbarity of optics

930
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: and design. It's the man eating another man, but says

931
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: that that painting never enters anywhere in the hallways that

932
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: people can see because the board don't want people to

933
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: know or think about who they are. The nurse constantly

934
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 3: collects two bottles of blood from Gemma in her daily routine.

935
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: The nurse donates the blood, and while they say it's

936
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: kind of an identity test, this person suggests that really

937
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: the blood donation itself is how you get into the

938
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: room every time they take the blood. And also in

939
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: season one, episode one, this is the thing where I

940
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this is actually you're selling me on

941
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: a version of this HELLY asks Mark, am I livestock

942
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: and that line being like one of the first things

943
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: she says, as if Helena knows what is really going

944
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: on in the seventh floor, also anesthesia. The ether factory

945
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 3: was the first way that the vampires got their supply

946
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: of blood. Because people would be high, they would die,

947
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: the vessels would open. They would always leave them open,

948
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: so people would get addicted, and then you know, you

949
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: could kill them very easily. But Cobell's design of the

950
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: severance trip becomes revolutionary because it essentially gives them complete

951
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: control of the human population if they can get people

952
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: to agree to severance. And yes, there's a lot, there's

953
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: a lot more, but I know it's not real.

954
00:53:51,719 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: Love this, but that's what.

955
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: I just want to note.

956
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: Also, while I think this theory has gotta be wrong,

957
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: I just want to note that keeping the bed could

958
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: be like a vampire lore thing. He has to stay, yes,

959
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: has to stay, has to rest in a coffin of

960
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: like filled with the native soil of water.

961
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 3: Remember when Rickenrick has the dinnerless dinner pie with no food,

962
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 3: so like are those people vampires? And dude also as well,

963
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: I did like this because this is very basically every

964
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: kind of y a vampire law. Another point they made

965
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: was like Mark and Jemma. You know, they're donating the

966
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 3: blood at the lumin Blood donation clinic. Another thing that

967
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: the vampires would love because they can drink lots of blood.

968
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: But that mention of like Gemma was in his blood

969
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: and why is marked so important? Maybe there's something in

970
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: their blood that the vampires are interested in. I love

971
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: this also, this is a really bleak one and I

972
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: do think that to a point, this is going to

973
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: be really important, though I doubt that it's going to

974
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 3: be as simple as a vampire type situation. Miss Wang

975
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: says to Miltchik, we shouldn't let them have funerals because

976
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: it will make them feel like humans, and we get

977
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: a lot of that animal type. When Miltchik says, tighten

978
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 3: the leak, like this idea that they are a sub

979
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: human group who are essentially animals, which we know could

980
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: be about you know, are they enslaved people? We've talked

981
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: about that, but it could take that crazy genre twist

982
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 3: and be more so.

983
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 5: That's why the vampires started with the exactly.

984
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: I just want to say, I'm going to find I'm

985
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: gonna find beginning camera three zero one seven, and I'm going.

986
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: To give them a reward, a real reward.

987
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love this one. This one blew my

988
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: mind when I was reading through all the theories. So

989
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: I had to share that with you guys, because what

990
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: I love about it is what Severance has done here

991
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: is last week we were talking about oh, you know,

992
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: harmony Cabell and is it just about you know, standard

993
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: child labor, horrible corporation behavior, And then we get back

994
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: into this episode and we're all like, wait a minute, No,

995
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: that isn't what it's about, Like is life a simulation?

996
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: Like where are they sending people? How do you get severed?

997
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: What is the purpose of it? And I love that

998
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: the show is so open ended and so surprising that

999
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: when someone makes a theory like this they confine points

1000
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: to support it, like I don't do I think this

1001
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: is true? No? But do. I absolutely love the fact

1002
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 3: that Severance is a show based on the simple premise

1003
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 3: of what if you didn't have to experience going to work?

1004
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: That two seasons in has got us talking about vampires.

1005
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: I will I will say that one theory that I

1006
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: think is right that I've seen out there is that

1007
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: I think that Helly Inny is the prime personality of Helena,

1008
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: like when Jame comes down there, this is just my I

1009
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: think that Helly was, as we see, extremely rebellious, probably

1010
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: didn't agree with what the family was doing. Remember in

1011
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: the season, in the season one finale, when she's like

1012
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: asking for forgiveness for all the things that the company

1013
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: is doing. So I think that they flip her yes,

1014
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: and they created the version that was created, the semi

1015
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: version that was going to be more compliant, more like

1016
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: down with Flumen and they and they put the prime

1017
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Helena inside, which also.

1018
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 5: My poor heart, because if you think about the pregnant

1019
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 5: woman in the birth and Center that we meet, like

1020
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: their behavior is very similar to Helena's, which is to say,

1021
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: I'm a little confused to what's going on.

1022
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: I'm not giving you much input.

1023
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 5: I have thoughts and ideas like you shouldn't be here, Devin,

1024
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: but also like just like a malaise, just kind of

1025
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 5: wandering through life.

1026
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: And that's totally yeah.

1027
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: I think about the different motivations that people have for

1028
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: getting severed, which is like but wants to be innocent,

1029
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: he wants to escape his past. Mark wants to do

1030
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: it for loss or grief, but throughout history, any kind

1031
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: of procedure like this or scientific thing is often used

1032
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: to also oppress people first, and the same way that

1033
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 3: you know fathers and husbands would put their wives and

1034
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: daughters into mental institutes if they had babies early, or

1035
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: if they spoke out against them, or if you know

1036
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: the Kennedy daughter who got a lobotomy. You know, this

1037
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: is very much in that space of Oh, so you

1038
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: can also choose what part of somebody gets severed if

1039
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: you want to put them in there.

1040
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: And I think this comports with our over like the

1041
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: theory that we have that there are perma perma severed's

1042
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: perma innies, like I think that Milchik is probably a

1043
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: perma INNI I think that Natalie is one of these

1044
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: as well, where they just severed until they got the

1045
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: personality wanted and so they use I think Drummond who's

1046
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: probably like that as well. And all of which leads

1047
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: back to like a bunch of folks who don't know

1048
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: who they really are, living like these very complex lives. Anyway,

1049
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: I have no idea where this show is anybody.

1050
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 5: Crazy, okay, Joel, most they're like a seventy nine hour

1051
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 5: episode crazy.

1052
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: Coming up thoughts on what we will see in the

1053
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 3: seventy six minute long Severance finale.

1054
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: Okay, so I think that one thing Severance will need

1055
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 5: to do as a show, like if we just zone

1056
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 5: out and look at it as a show, is like

1057
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 5: potentially expand the world. And by that I mean they

1058
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 5: start this season by introducing us to a whole but yes,

1059
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 5: three new characters who have connections outside of this space.

1060
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 5: One thing we're sort of talking about earlier is this

1061
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: idea of like why here, why have these cold, sort

1062
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 5: of isolated places and what why does Lumin to convince

1063
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 5: other people that Severance is okay, Like it's happening, it's

1064
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 5: clearly legal, So what is the big is you? I

1065
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: think with the amount of rebellion we've seen from our

1066
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 5: severed folks that we've seen all that somewhere else outside

1067
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 5: in the world, Lumin has seen like a revolution of

1068
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: any's and people were like it's not good over there,

1069
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 5: Like they're not happy, they're miserable, and so they're like,

1070
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 5: we have to perfect Severence up here in these isolated

1071
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: spaces so that we can convince the world that this

1072
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 5: is a good things.

1073
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 4: We can make more money.

1074
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 5: I would love to see some of that, like rebellion.

1075
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 5: I'd love to see, like, what is it they're fighting externally?

1076
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 5: I don't think we necessarily have to see it. I

1077
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 5: think if there's one question that they absolutely must answer

1078
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 5: in this finale, I need to know what's going on

1079
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 5: with the Shadow people the way they were introduced first episode,

1080
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 5: middle episode, Please conclude giving me idea who the who

1081
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 5: are the Shadow twin not robot people?

1082
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 4: Please?

1083
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Speaker 1: It's a Bear season two style stunt casting, cameo flex

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Speaker 1: that will never come back around again. They you know,

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Speaker 1: like the way mulaney and Jamie Lee Curis we're in

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Speaker 1: season two of The Bear and you're like, wow, I

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Speaker 1: think they did that. I think there's a world in

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Speaker 1: which they were like, our show has a lot of

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Speaker 1: juice now, and we can we can work with people

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Speaker 1: who've always wanted to work with, who we think are great,

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Speaker 1: and you can put in the mid right and so

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Speaker 1: then we can cast these people who are never going

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Speaker 1: to come back as as a kind of like bottle

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Speaker 1: casting with some of our favorite actors. And I think

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Speaker 1: that there's a world in which those that plotline never

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Speaker 1: comes back around. It doesn't matter. Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: I hope they pull a solid Bear and give us

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Speaker 5: a yeah, like they bring Jamie Lee back to such

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Speaker 5: great heights that I think there's potential for that. But

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Speaker 5: I hear you where it was just like, oh we

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Speaker 5: love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally possible, totally possible.

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Speaker 5: What about you, Rosie? What are your big thoughts for

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Speaker 5: the finale? What are we gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Needs to have their vampires? No?

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Speaker 3: No, I think I think the things that we need

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Speaker 3: to know is there needs to be a question answered

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Speaker 3: of I think that we start needing to know why Mark,

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Speaker 3: Like I just need to even get of that because

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Speaker 3: it is why Mark?

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Speaker 2: Why Gemma?

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Speaker 3: I also think we are something. I was surprised when

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Speaker 3: I was doing my watches of this episode and kind

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Speaker 3: of reading as I went and seeing what people were

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Speaker 3: kind of feeling. I was shocked by how many people

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Speaker 3: are deeply invested in the Mark and Helly relationship, even

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Speaker 3: after the reveal of Jemmy. It's definitely giving racist fandom shipping.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie like it's throwing me back to

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Speaker 3: the sleepy hollow eras and the flash eras. But I

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Speaker 3: want to see if the show will make a distinct

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Speaker 3: commentary on that in the finale. Will we see that

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Speaker 3: Mark and Jemma reunite.

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Speaker 2: Is that real?

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Speaker 3: Will they leave a tease of Mark still having those

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Speaker 3: feelings for Helly? I feel like that is gone for

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Speaker 3: him now he knows Gemma is alive. But that might

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: just be because they haven't gotten together. Also, I think

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Speaker 3: we got to get a little bit more info. It's

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Speaker 3: hard to say, like what questions do they need to answer,

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Speaker 3: because they're probably not going to answer any definitively, But

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've got to talk about reintegration a

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: little bit more. It is it working? How does it work?

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01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: Do we have multiple severed marks? I just think they

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: need to both they're in that very tough situation which

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: we've seen with a lot of shows, a lot of

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: franchises that MCU is very much in this situation. They

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 3: both have to expand the world enough that we want

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01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 3: to come back to it in season three whilst kind

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: of closing and tying closing some doors and tying up

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Speaker 3: something reds. So I think those are kind of the

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: major major spots that I need them to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Secret Egan would be good.

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Speaker 3: Also, something that is really funny in thinking about this

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Speaker 3: after you guys brought up Dylan, is that his crush

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: on this Casey is like so much funnier now because

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 3: that was him trying to like fuck someone else's wife again.

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Speaker 2: So that is just like his truth life.

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Speaker 4: Is Dylan still alive?

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Speaker 3: Any Dylan? That's what I want to know. I love

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Speaker 3: any Dylan, So yeah, I don't know. So many questions my.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what I think for the finale, I think overall,

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Speaker 1: the one thing that they kind of have to give

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Speaker 1: us or we're gonna get annoyed is Cold Harbor. What

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Speaker 1: is it we have to get that Cold Harbor cannot

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Speaker 1: extend into season three? The mystery must end to the finale.

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Speaker 2: I heard him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know either, but it feel like that. It

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: feels like that's the one thing. And I will say,

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: like just zooming out. I think the show. Part of

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: how you know it's good is even though there are

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, I have some nitpicks. As I've mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are moments, there are seams in the cloth where

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Speaker 1: you feel like here's where we could learn more, but

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: they're not letting us learn more because they want to

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Speaker 1: keep the mystery bubbling. And I think you mentioned reintegration, Rosine.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think reintegration frankly as a plotline

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of is a failure and too ambiguous, and so

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Speaker 1: Mark under Mark undergoes reintegration and it kind of works,

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Speaker 1: but then it doesn't work, so Regabi has to come

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: in and juice it and flood the trip so it

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01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: really works, and now he gets this flood of memories.

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Speaker 1: He remembers Jem and I remembers all this stuff. He

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: remembers what's happening down there. But then it doesn't work again,

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Speaker 1: to the point that they now need Kobel for question

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Mark Why, Like I I but do they need Nicovella?

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Speaker 4: Or is Devin a spy?

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Speaker 5: Like why why good Govey good wild? But why did

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 5: you call ninety seven times like she's weird? Yeah, maybe

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 5: tried to steal your baby. She definitely lied about being

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Speaker 5: like a milky.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. I think reintegration. The fact that

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Speaker 1: we don't understand if it worked or not and what

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01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: the impact of it ever really was, I think that

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: to me has kind of been quietly annoying. And the

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Speaker 1: reason that we don't care about is because the show's

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Speaker 1: so fucking good, Like I you know, like the show

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Speaker 1: is great, So I think that you know, some substantive

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Speaker 1: reveal on Cold Harbor, and generally continuing the thing they've

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Speaker 1: been doing, which is telling us stuff while expanding the

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Speaker 1: mystery but not doing it, but keeping that balance balance

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Speaker 1: so that we're never learning so much that the dramatic

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Speaker 1: engine ceases and we're never so mystified that we're like.

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Speaker 4: Fucking why, Like now I'm annoyed and I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm never going to get this payoff. So I

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Speaker 1: think just those things and all of which would be

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Speaker 1: I feel like accomplished with some substantive revelation about the

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Speaker 1: nature of Cold Harbor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can.

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Speaker 3: They solve the mystery of Cold Harbor while expanding.

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Speaker 2: The universe enough that we want to keep watching the show.

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Speaker 3: It's very Yellow Jackets and of Yellow Show, I mean

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Speaker 3: Cold Harbor.

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Speaker 1: While Cold Harbor certainly seems threaded into the revolving and

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Speaker 1: whatever's going on with Jamee, like resolving that does not

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Speaker 1: tell us what Luman is doing? Why Mark, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: why Mark? Why Jema does not tell us what the

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: fuck is going on with the Egans, Like, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of other stuff that would not be.

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Speaker 3: Clearly not you know, it's we two seasons in its

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Speaker 3: obviously not an anthology show, but there is a world

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Speaker 3: where when the mark and gemma of it all is solved,

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Speaker 3: they could take us anywhere else and follow any other

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Speaker 3: characters within the Severance world. Oh yea guys, I know

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Speaker 3: I read too much, ya, but I am interested in

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Speaker 3: the Regarbi Cabell connection. To me, it definitely feels like

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Speaker 3: they both worked at the Minds and they were friends

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Speaker 3: and harmony created it and Regarby maybe with Regarbi iron

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Speaker 3: man style where Tony.

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Speaker 1: I think that that makes a lot of sense. I

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Speaker 1: think her first the first technician, the Regabi had the

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Speaker 1: actual surgical skills to do it, and exactly Cobell was

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Speaker 1: the mind behind the technology.

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Speaker 3: And then Regarby rebelled and now the two of them

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Speaker 3: are And that's why Regarbi's like, I can't be here.

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Speaker 3: If Kobel gets there, I think the two of them

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Speaker 3: are going to be way more connected. And I think

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Speaker 3: that would be an easy reveal that would make sense.

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Speaker 3: I had one crazy reveal that I'll leave Okay with vampires.

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Speaker 3: Irving is on the phone with Devon Okay. That would

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Speaker 3: actually be so crazy.

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Speaker 7: Though, Wait you think, oh my god, wait wait, Devin

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01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 7: could be double crossing the double crosses and actually be

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Speaker 7: part of like a resistance the Irving is part.

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Speaker 1: Of, and she's playing it simplistic and playing it completely

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Speaker 1: weak and does not what's going on. I'm so confusing.

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Speaker 2: Gotta call Kobel.

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Speaker 4: She's because she's start a Cobel here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's part of this much more substantive resistance

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01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: to Lumen that is necessarily hiding how much they know.

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Speaker 2: I like that. Also.

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Speaker 3: I loved the moment in the car where she says, oh, sorry,

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Speaker 3: the wind was whistling over the hole in the back

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Speaker 3: of your skull. So I didn't quite get that that

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Speaker 3: Devon could be part of a resistance.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Devin is such a mystery character, and it's sort of

1247
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 5: thrilling the way people are like, no, she's definitely evil. No,

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 5: she's just a good sister. No she might maybe she's

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 5: a double spy. Like I just really like the way

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 5: the show has been able to both tell us a

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 5: solid story that keeps.

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Speaker 4: Us integrated and then also integrated, but.

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Speaker 5: Also Lisa, I have so many questions about every single character.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like I fully know who anyone is.

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Speaker 1: I can't I cannot wait for this. On the next

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Speaker 1: episode of X ray Vision, we're continuing our descent to

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Speaker 1: Hell with Daredevil borning into a four. Of course. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be covering Severance next week Saturday Night News,

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Speaker 1: and then of course come back next Tuesday for our

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Speaker 1: second book Club, where we're reviewing The Merchant and the

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Speaker 1: Alchemist Gade from the Short Story Latest Short Story Collection

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Speaker 1: Exhalation by Ted Chick. That's it for this episode, Thanks

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