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Speaker 4: Happy Wednesday, Welcome to Breaking Points yep with Ryan and

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Speaker 4: Emily's right. Emily, by the way, programming note, will be

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Speaker 4: in the new media chair at the White House later today.

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Speaker 1: Asking Carolyn Levitt.

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Speaker 5: Something something we don't want to give anything away.

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Speaker 1: I've got an idea.

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Speaker 4: So my paperback came out yesterday. You should ask Caroline

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Speaker 4: if she has read the Squad. I say, like, by

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Speaker 4: the way, it came out and paperback yesterday, so if

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Speaker 4: you've been waiting to get the cheaper version.

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Speaker 6: So this is a good idea for the question itself.

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Speaker 5: I can say Amazon dot Com paperback out today whatever,

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety nine, however, which it costs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell if she wants to understand how APAC operates

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Speaker 4: in Washington, this would be the book for her.

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Speaker 5: I think they are curious these days.

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Speaker 6: They could learn, right, I have a gift for you.

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Speaker 1: What you got?

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Speaker 6: All right? So you were gone last week, so I

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Speaker 6: couldn't give it to you. But look at that.

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Speaker 1: This is a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

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Speaker 6: It's a Turtle Boy shirt.

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Speaker 1: Ride the Turtle from Turtle Boy.

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Speaker 6: That's from the Turtle Boy merch shop.

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Speaker 4: Well, I went to University of Maryland and there slogans

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Speaker 4: fear the turtle.

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Speaker 1: That's right, So there we go.

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Speaker 6: It works other way.

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Speaker 5: You could be walking around the like Rehoboth we had.

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Speaker 4: We had a bunch of people angry about that interview.

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Speaker 4: Oh I saw because yeah, he's I mean, he's kind

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Speaker 4: of crazy.

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Speaker 6: He's a controversial man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's a controversial man.

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Speaker 4: But now you can it's the craziness, and craziness is

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Speaker 4: putting it lightly. Perhaps that allows him to be so

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Speaker 4: dogged in some of these cases. Does not mean I

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Speaker 4: endorse everything the man has done or will do.

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Speaker 5: Nor should you have to endorse everything that he has

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Speaker 5: done or will do in order to interview him on

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Speaker 5: a really important case. And anyway, basically how this all

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Speaker 5: happened is that I was on his website and I

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Speaker 5: noticed he had a merch shop, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, this is amazing, Thank.

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Speaker 6: You for this. It's pretty funny.

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Speaker 5: It's like there's there's something there amazing. Anyway that my

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Speaker 5: pleasure much appreciated.

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Speaker 6: Yes, now to the news.

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Speaker 4: I came in to hawk merch and instead I'm leaving

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Speaker 4: with merch.

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Speaker 6: But it was an exchange trade. I mean, there you go.

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Speaker 6: This is what work.

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Speaker 5: Could you ask for out now in paperback. It's so

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Speaker 5: light you can take it to the beach.

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Speaker 1: You really can.

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Speaker 6: Everyone know that you're smart, aeradite.

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Speaker 1: There's perfect, perfect, I got it.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to be talking about the latest attempt

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Speaker 4: by Donald Trump to distract from Jeffrey Epstein. This time

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Speaker 4: he's accusing Obama of high treason. The man is off

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Speaker 4: his game. He even said to the fake news media,

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Speaker 4: thing he did. He's just saying it out loud. The

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Speaker 4: guy has really lost his touch. We're going to talk

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Speaker 4: about the the the Democratic autopsy is being conducted among

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Speaker 4: the Podsave Bros And Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: They're they're working their stuff out.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna you're gonna enjoy this one. Microsoft workers told

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Speaker 4: their bosses yesterday that they are no longer going to

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Speaker 4: work on Israeli tech Microsoft supplies, as drop site has

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Speaker 4: and now their workers are standing up and saying we're

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Speaker 4: not We're not We're not doing We're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: Not all workers at Microsoft, of course, but a substantial

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 4: We'll also talk about the ongoing siege uh the number

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Speaker 4: to have blackmailed Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky tapes.

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Speaker 4: Ye turns out there's a lot to it so you're

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: We're also going to have an inmate who served basically

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Speaker 4: he died, he went to Martin Gotdisfeldt's cell So we're

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Speaker 4: going to talk to Martin Goddess about what he knows

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Speaker 4: about that correction center, what he heard from Epstein's cellmate.

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Speaker 4: Because missing in the reporting this controversy is the voices

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Speaker 4: there were plenty of people in there.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk to some of them. And then the

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Speaker 1: white the wife of.

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Speaker 4: The guy who made the ice block app is going

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Speaker 4: to join us as well.

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Speaker 1: She somehow thought that she and't be fired by the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it seemed unlikely.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna ask her.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna say, hey, cool, app as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 4: But you thought that that was going to be okay,

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Speaker 4: didn't seem like that would fly anyway.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear from her.

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Speaker 6: A lot to get into.

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Speaker 5: Let's start in the Oval office yesterday where Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: to the point Ryan just made, did kind of say

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Speaker 5: the quiet part aloud.

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Speaker 1: Which is although let's start with massy, right with.

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Speaker 6: The massy Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, so basically here's what's happening. Let's break it down

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Speaker 5: this way. There were efforts among Democrats, as we've covered

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Speaker 5: here to end, among Thomas Massey, Republican, a couple other

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Speaker 5: Republicans to get a vote done before August recess on

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Speaker 5: the Epstein files. Then Donald Trump yesterday also waited on

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Speaker 5: the future of the Epstein file. So we can start

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Speaker 5: here with a two. This is Thomas Massey weighing in.

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Speaker 1: On Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 5: But House Speaker Mike Johnson shut down the floor basically

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Speaker 5: yesterday and said, we are not we are not going

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Speaker 5: to take lessons on transparency from the Democrats who covered

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Speaker 5: up for Joe Biden's health crisis.

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Speaker 6: That was the line, Let's roll the club.

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Speaker 7: The House Rules resolution sets a good standard and requires

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Speaker 7: all credible evidence to be released. And that's exactly where

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Speaker 7: the White House is. As I've said many times over

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Speaker 7: the lass. As I've said many times, there's no daylight

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Speaker 7: between the White House and the House. You have to

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Speaker 7: allow the legislation to write and you also have to

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Speaker 7: allow the administration the space to do what it is doing.

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Speaker 7: The President has said clearly, and he has now ordered

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Speaker 7: his DOJ to do what it is we've all needed

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Speaker 7: DOJ to do for years now, and that is to

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Speaker 7: get everything released.

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Speaker 1: So they're in the process of that.

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Speaker 7: There's no purpose for Congress to push an administration to

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Speaker 7: do something that they're already doing, and so this is

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Speaker 7: for political games. I'm not going to address anybody individually,

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Speaker 7: but I'll tell you that some here are much more

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Speaker 7: frustrated than others. There's a small, small, tiny handful, but

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Speaker 7: one in particular who's given me lots of consternation.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't understand Thomas Massey's motivation. I

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Speaker 1: really don't. I don't know how his mind works. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he's thinking.

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Speaker 7: Thomas Massey could have brought his discharge petition anytime over

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Speaker 7: the last four and a half years, over the last four.

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Speaker 1: Years of bid administration.

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Speaker 7: He could have done that at any time, and now

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Speaker 7: he's clamoring as if there's some sort of timeline on it.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting to me that he chose the election of

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Speaker 7: President Trump to bring this, to team up with the

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Speaker 1: So do I have some concern about that.

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Speaker 5: I do, okay, But the timeline is that Attorney General

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Speaker 5: Pam Bond he closed the case a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: That's basically why this has resurfaced. Ryan, you made this

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Speaker 6: He posted a pretty hot Telly.

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Speaker 1: We can add this in post.

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Speaker 4: He responded, Speaker Johnson, why are you running cover for

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Speaker 4: an underage sex trafficking ring and pretending this is a

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Speaker 4: part is an issue? MAGA voted for this, and in fact,

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Speaker 4: Johnson's own post on x about this has a community

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Speaker 4: note saying over half of the sponsors of Hrs five

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Speaker 4: on it, and this is nasty. Kana has half over

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Speaker 4: falls falls flat in the face of that. And yes,

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, absolutely, And again, the only reason that this

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Speaker 6: So let's actually get to this.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, they're shutting down the House of Representatives early so

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Speaker 5: It's incredible reading from playbook right now, Johnson is a

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Speaker 5: journey house business. This afternoon, the last votes are scheduled

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Speaker 5: for three PM and canceling for their action ahead of

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Speaker 5: August recess in order to question an effort to force

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Speaker 5: a floor vote that would hasten the release of the

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Speaker 5: Epstein files. Republicans want to get back to their districts

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Speaker 5: because they think that's this is how they're spinning it.

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Speaker 5: But also I think they truly believe this an important

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Speaker 5: time for them to be able to.

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Speaker 6: Go out and talk about the big, beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Bill and sell it in their districts because obviously it's

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Speaker 5: not polled with great popularity since its passage, so they're

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Speaker 5: to people. Now, I think some Republicans actually would like

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Speaker 5: I asked a bunch of House Republicans last week about this,

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Speaker 5: clear that they know they're going to get these questions and.

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Speaker 1: Why not just vote?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you you can still be cynical and we.

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Speaker 6: Know what they're doing. This is the first clip.

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Speaker 5: Let's because Donald Trump basically clearly this is a one.

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Speaker 9: And they tried to rig an election, and they got caught.

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Speaker 9: He's guilty. This was treason. This was every word you

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Speaker 9: It's not up to me. It's not up to I

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Speaker 9: He defrauded banks and insurance companies in the federal government.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so right, you may disagree with me on this.

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Speaker 6: I think two.

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Speaker 5: Things are true in this case. It's not just that

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Speaker 5: Yes, and so I was much worse than a witch Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And also for Gabbard, who had been in the doghouse,

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Speaker 4: following exactly what the revelations are here essentially, and you correct.

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Speaker 4: Essentially, throughout the twenty sixteen election, the intelligence community, according

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Speaker 4: There, because like oftentimes, these foreign actors or hackers will

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Speaker 4: In any event, Let's say I see as saying they're

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Speaker 5: Well, and we do have emails of them saying that,

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Speaker 4: Right, And so it's a December ninth meeting which includes Clapper, Brannon,

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Speaker 6: It means yeah, yeah, And.

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Speaker 5: Basically these ham fisted attempts. You could go back and

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Speaker 4: Right and all that, And so what Democrats would say,

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Speaker 4: that is cyber, totally cyber. But they're playing with your

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: The problem for Trump here is that's dirty.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: But politics is dirty. Is that illegal?

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Speaker 4: Is it an assault on the dignity of our democracy?

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Speaker 4: Yes it is? Is it gross? Is it awful? Yes,

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Speaker 6: They were using some of the same language to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about Bernie Sanders and actually.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And they were using this it's like wink wink,

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Speaker 1: By honeymoon in the so Union. That used to point out, yes, which.

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Speaker 5: Your point, dirty dirty stuff right now also absolutely being

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Speaker 1: To finish this.

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Speaker 4: Gabbard's document says, after months of investigation in the matter,

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Speaker 4: either steeal dossier or deemed as not credible. Yes, and no,

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Speaker 5: So the new documents revealed that Obama directed this, right,

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Speaker 5: So there's there's an email saying part of the president

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Speaker 1: Part of the president of the president's requests.

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Speaker 5: We're basically coming up with a new intelligence report other

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Speaker 1: But your point is exactly right.

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Speaker 4: You can you can weigh on your own how much

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Speaker 5: And it was more maga than the gop apparatus subculture, which.

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Speaker 4: going to look away just because there's some new Russiagate documents. No,

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Speaker 5: But you know, it's actually I was thinking about this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Let's get to this video of to the point Ryan

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Speaker 10: Well, you may use subpoena powers at any point. That

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Speaker 8: But if I felt like that it was a.

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Speaker 10: Priority for Americans, then of course. But like I said,

445
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Speaker 10: this has not been something that's been a driving force.

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Speaker 6: But you did use subpoena power with Hunter Biden exactly.

447
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Speaker 10: We have the authority to use it, but that is

448
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Speaker 10: the only time that I have used it. Epstein is

449
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 10: not the priority of everyday American who's working nine to five,

450
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Speaker 10: just trying to put food on their table, closing their backs,

451
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Speaker 10: and gasoline in their cars. That is not their focus.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think their focus with Hunter Biden either.

453
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Speaker 5: But this is another point where two things.

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Speaker 6: Can be true.

455
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Speaker 5: Hunter Biden important story Epstein important story, trying to put

456
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Speaker 5: food on your table important story, worry, and people can

457
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 5: care a lot more and rightfully so about putting food

458
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Speaker 5: on their table, feeding their families, and creating a.

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Speaker 1: About child sex rings.

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Speaker 6: You can care.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we do have room in our hearts and minds

462
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Speaker 5: for all of these things. And certainly people had room

463
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Speaker 5: for Hunter Biden when inflation was even worse than it

464
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Speaker 5: is right now.

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Speaker 6: So that's not a good excuse.

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Speaker 5: It does show, to the point you were making, Ryan,

467
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Speaker 5: how silly it is. They're not just voting on this,

468
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Speaker 5: and it seems as though they're not voting on it

469
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Speaker 5: because of the President not wanting to continue giving an

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Speaker 5: inch an inch an inch and fearing that they'll eventually

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Speaker 5: have to give up a mile and do even more

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Speaker 5: disclosures from the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, Trump clearly told Johnson don't vote on this.

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Speaker 6: Voting would make it all easier. But Trump don't care,

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Speaker 6: even cynically. Yeah.

476
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Speaker 4: So the other thing they're going they're doing is bringing

477
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Speaker 4: gallinne Maxwell out. Yes, you can put up so they're

478
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Speaker 4: they're they're inviting her to testify Talus like, Hey, actually,

479
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 4: are you and your dad massad agents Massad says you're not,

480
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Speaker 4: so I don't know, so so Glaine Maxwell's attorney David

481
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Speaker 4: Marcus told cen end quote, I can confirm that we

482
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Speaker 4: are in discussions with the government and that Glaine will

483
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Speaker 4: always testify truthfully. We are grateful to President Trump for

484
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Speaker 4: his commitment to uncovering the truth in this case.

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Speaker 1: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: So it is likely that we'll get to hear from

487
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Speaker 4: Glaine if she makes it to the to the hearing,

488
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Speaker 4: So that'll be now what like, Okay, if she says

489
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Speaker 4: she's not Massad, do we then just wrap this up?

490
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Speaker 5: But that's the thing like this story, it's actually really

491
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Speaker 5: good for people in power in a sense like it

492
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Speaker 5: it's constructed in such a way, or it exists in

493
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Speaker 5: such a way that it's the sprawling network of different

494
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Speaker 5: threads that you can keep pulling on to distract from

495
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Speaker 5: never pulling on the big thread that unravels everything. And

496
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Speaker 5: so you can say, Okay, we're going to go talk

497
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Speaker 5: to Glaine, and you can run out the cop by

498
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Speaker 5: saying we're pulling on this thread and then taking a

499
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Speaker 5: really long time to pull it, and then you never

500
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Speaker 5: actually have to deal with everything.

501
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Speaker 6: So it's actually not the worst.

502
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Speaker 5: Scandal in the world to have to deal with from

503
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Speaker 5: like a purely public relations perspective, because it's so sprawling

504
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Speaker 5: that you can say that you'll never exhaust new angles

505
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Speaker 5: to say that you're looking into basically, and it's so

506
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Speaker 5: easy to run out the clock and delay. So, I mean,

507
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Speaker 5: that's probably what the next.

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Speaker 6: Three years of the Trump administration looks like.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, in order to talk about more about like what

511
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Speaker 4: Epstein's life in prison was like and the end of

512
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Speaker 4: his life was like, let's bring in Martin Gottisfeld, a

513
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Speaker 4: former inmate from MCC. So one thing that's missing from

514
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Speaker 4: the coverage of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal is the voices

515
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Speaker 4: of people who served in the Metropolitan Correctional Center with

516
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Speaker 4: him or near the time that he did where he

517
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Speaker 4: met his end. And so to try to rectify that

518
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Speaker 4: now by journalists ACTVI was and former MCC inmate Martin Gottisfelder.

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Speaker 1: Marty, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Well, problem Ryan, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: So to set the stage here, can you talk about

522
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Speaker 4: the time that you served inside the MCC and how

523
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Speaker 4: that relates to Jeffrey Epstein's time there.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So, I was there from November twenty sixteen to

525
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Speaker 8: early February twenty seventeen. Epstein died there about two and

526
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Speaker 8: a half years after I left. But at the time

527
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Speaker 8: I arrived at mcc Epstein had not yet been there.

528
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Speaker 8: El Chapo had not yet been held there, and the

529
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Speaker 8: facility was really kind of flying under the radar. People

530
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Speaker 8: really weren't aware of it, even though that attorneys and

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Speaker 8: prisoners had been active trying to reform the facility for

532
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Speaker 8: a long time. The facility was already dilapidated, the staff

533
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 8: were already out of control. Disaster was very clearly on

534
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Speaker 8: the horizon. Anyone could see it. But at the time

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Speaker 8: I was a contributor for a huff Post. You were

536
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Speaker 8: my editor there, and we published, you know, quite a

537
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Speaker 8: bit about the facility before it rose to national prominence,

538
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 8: and so we were really kind of like the early

539
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 8: warning system that you know, something was very likely to

540
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Speaker 8: happen here.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: And so one of Epstein's to tell us about your

543
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: connection to one of Epstein's cellmates.

544
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Speaker 8: So Epstein's, I understand, was Epstein's first cell mate, Nick

545
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Speaker 8: tartag Leone I was in the shoe on g Tier.

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Speaker 8: So that the shoes got like different palls. They're called

547
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Speaker 8: tears wherever you can have cells, right, and like G

548
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Speaker 8: tier in that shoe is like the most elite. It's

549
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Speaker 8: where the high profile guys tend to go. And so

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Speaker 8: I was already on G tier when tartag leone came in,

551
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Speaker 8: like was arrested fresh off the street. Had never seen

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Speaker 8: a jail cell from the inside before. He was a cop,

553
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Speaker 8: so he had seen lock up, but it had never

554
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Speaker 8: actually experienced it for himself. And then you know, I

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Speaker 8: understand that Nick was not Epstein's set at the time

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Speaker 8: of the death. I think that's important to underside here, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what can you tell us about the way

558
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Speaker 4: that the cameras work?

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Speaker 8: And I can tell you a lot.

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Speaker 6: And we have this on a five.

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Speaker 5: By the way, we can loop this. This is this

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Speaker 5: is the video that Pambondi released. And Martin, you've certainly

563
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Speaker 5: seen this by now. It's obviously, as Wired has said,

564
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Speaker 5: spice together, it's missing a second. And now people are

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Speaker 5: actually saying, right in three seconds, so three minutes.

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Speaker 8: Three minutes, sorry, yeah, And they tried to explain away

567
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Speaker 8: one minute as like a nightly system was reboot. But

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Speaker 8: then there's apparently two other minutes. I should I should

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Speaker 8: add I've not double checked the digital forensics on this myself.

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Speaker 8: One thing, given my background, The government alleges I'm a

571
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Speaker 8: hacker with anonymous and that I uh single handly orchestrated

572
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Speaker 8: one of the largest cyber attacks the government ever seen.

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Speaker 8: So I just have to say, I've not double checked

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Speaker 8: the digital forensics on this. So I'm going off of

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Speaker 8: what what Wired brot. To my understanding, there's no meaningful contradiction,

576
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Speaker 8: like no one's come forward with an alternative theory or whatever.

577
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 8: But I'm not I can't personally vouch for you know,

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Speaker 8: there's digital forensics on the files, but I mean that's

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Speaker 8: a view from another tier. And so the tiers are

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Speaker 8: stacked like one on top of another, and they're in

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Speaker 8: different like arms shooting off from the main area in

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Speaker 8: the shoe, and you can see the officers station there

583
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Speaker 8: from visible from that tier. But obviously there's no cell doors, right,

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Speaker 8: and so this doesn't really make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 8: The video is not particularly useful for anything. And in

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Speaker 8: that shoe, just so you guys know, because this is

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Speaker 8: something that's that's not been covered, there's a camera in

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Speaker 8: every cell and on G tier there's a cam. There's

589
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Speaker 8: two cameras in every cell, and the problem is that

590
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 8: guys cover them up right, Like you're trying to use

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Speaker 8: the bathroom, there's a camera pointing at you, like, what

592
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 8: are you going to do? You cover the camera up, right,

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Speaker 8: And so pretty much at any given time in the

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Speaker 8: occupied cell, in that shoe, the camera's covered. Now that's

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Speaker 8: again it's policy, but the facility, I mean, what are

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Speaker 8: they going to do send a team to every single

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Speaker 8: cell every single day to uncover these cameras because the

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Speaker 8: guys that just cover them back up. Again. You also

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Speaker 8: though expect that they would have cameras in the hallway,

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Speaker 8: that we would have a camera that's facing Epstein's cell door, right,

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Speaker 8: and there's no explanation given for why that tape is

602
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Speaker 8: missing or you know, what happened to that camera, And

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Speaker 8: they're trying to say that the cameras weren't working, the

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Speaker 8: DVR system had problems with the hard drives. All this, Okay.

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Speaker 8: In the floor above that shoot is the ten South

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Speaker 8: Special Administrative Measures Unit. Okay, this is national security stuff.

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Speaker 8: This is like where the nine to eleven guys were held.

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Speaker 8: These are the guys who don't even get attorney client privilege,

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Speaker 8: even their attorney client meetings, their visits with their attorney

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Speaker 8: are listened in on by DOJ. Right, this is the

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Speaker 8: highest of high security, and they're saying that, you know,

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Speaker 8: the floor right below it that someone could use to

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Speaker 8: access the ten South unit had no working cameras or

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Speaker 8: the drive. You're bad. Epstein died a month two months

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Speaker 8: after l Chapo left. It's it strikes me as very

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Speaker 8: unlikely the cameras would be allowed to get into that position,

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Speaker 8: and very scary if in fact they were.

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Speaker 4: So what what what's your sense of, you know, knowing

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Speaker 4: people who kind of come in and out of that place,

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Speaker 4: what's your sense of whether or not he would have

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Speaker 4: been in a state of mind to have given up

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Speaker 4: on his his defense like you've seen other white collar

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Speaker 4: criminals come and go, do they Because one argument is

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Speaker 4: this guy's he felt like his life was over and

625
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Speaker 4: so that's a reason why he would just take his life.

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Speaker 4: You know, he had this high flying life, jets, mansion, partying,

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Speaker 4: the elites, and now all of a sudden he's here.

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Speaker 4: So it makes sense that he would just be like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm out of here, I cannot take.

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Speaker 1: This abrupt shift.

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Speaker 4: What what's your read on knowing other people who've gone

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Speaker 4: through that situation.

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Speaker 8: Firstly, obviously can't comment to his particular state of mind

634
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Speaker 8: or his mental health, right, I can say that that

635
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Speaker 8: generally speaking, I have two problems with the narrative that

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Speaker 8: he took his own life. The first is that, you know,

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Speaker 8: any good attorney would have told him that he's got

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Speaker 8: two things that are very important going for him. First,

639
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Speaker 8: he's got the money to retain a vigorous defense team. Right.

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Speaker 8: And this can really matter because, like I put this

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Speaker 8: in my write up, you only need look as far

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Speaker 8: as Sean P.

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Speaker 5: Di D.

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00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 8: Combs, right, who just beat federal sex trafficking charges in

645
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Speaker 8: the same courthouse, brought by the same prosecutors who are

646
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 8: going after Epstein. Right, He had a big legal team.

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Speaker 8: He did it. You know, if you read the media

648
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Speaker 8: and the press, you would have thought he was done for.

649
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 8: But you know, he had the money for the lawyers,

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00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 8: and they squeaked it out, right, So I don't really

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Speaker 8: buy it. And you know, Sean, you know he didn't

652
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Speaker 8: hang it. He didn't kill himself. It's called hanging it

653
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 8: up in prison parlance. But he didn't do it right,

654
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Speaker 8: facing a very similar racket in the same courthouse. They

655
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Speaker 8: actually held him in a different, slightly different facility, but

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Speaker 8: it's also very poor conditions. It's the ADX Max Shoe

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Speaker 8: in Brooklyn, and I've also done time there. I've done

658
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Speaker 8: time in the shoe where Pitt he was and at

659
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Speaker 8: the time where Epstein was, so you know what I mean, like,

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Speaker 8: he didn't hang it up. And then as to the

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Speaker 8: second thing, is that Epstein was in the position potentially

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Speaker 8: to cut a deal, either with the Trump administration or

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Speaker 8: with some future administration. He had no shortage of people

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Speaker 8: that he could have informed on. Right. And there's actually

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Speaker 8: a federal rule of criminal procedure, it's Rull thirty five

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Speaker 8: b right where the government can the court can depart downward,

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Speaker 8: can give a much lighter sentence. It can give a

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Speaker 8: sentence lower than the statutory minimum. So even if he

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Speaker 8: was facing, like say, a statutory minimum of ten years,

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Speaker 8: the court could go below that statutory minimum if he

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Speaker 8: had provided substantial assistance aecuting another individual right. And so

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Speaker 8: the guys that you think of in prison as being

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Speaker 8: desperate enough to take their own lives are generally the ones, right,

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Speaker 8: who's all their boys have figured them out? Right, everyone's

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Speaker 8: rd it on them. They have no one left to

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Speaker 8: sell out for a deal, right, That's the guy who's,

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Speaker 8: in my opinion, the very large suicidirist. And you know,

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Speaker 8: here's the other thing too. Epstein was a Wall Street

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Speaker 8: quant right. And if you do any game theory study,

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Speaker 8: you hear about the prisoner's dilemma, which is basically the

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Speaker 8: question of you know, do you rat someone else out

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Speaker 8: in jail? That's one of the core exercises in game theory.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure Epstein was familiar with it. It would be

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Speaker 8: very unlikely in my mind that he would not have

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Speaker 8: heard of the prisoner's dilemma. And so you know, I've

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Speaker 8: got these problems with the narrative.

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Speaker 4: And from your understanding of the layout of the jail,

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Speaker 4: does the footage that we have cover all the ways

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Speaker 4: in and out or are there would there have been

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Speaker 4: other ways that people could move around?

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Speaker 8: So the footage doesn't even show the main entrance to

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Speaker 8: the shoe. That camera does not even show the main

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Speaker 8: interest to the shoe. The main entrance to that shoe

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Speaker 8: actually has written above it, or had written above it.

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Speaker 8: When I was there America's strongest shoe. It says that

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Speaker 8: right as you walk into that ship, right, So if

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Speaker 8: it showed the front door, that's what it would show.

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Speaker 8: This is the footage from some ancillary tier that is.

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Speaker 8: And again it's like it's built with this like central

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Speaker 8: region where you have like a little law library cage,

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Speaker 8: and you have like the officer station, and then there

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Speaker 8: are hallways shooting off in different directions, and they're stacked

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Speaker 8: one on top of the other, so you'll have like

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Speaker 8: G tier above H tier right, like J tier above

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Speaker 8: I tier right, and they shoot off in all these

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Speaker 8: different directions. The narration of the footage that I've seen

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Speaker 8: shows that Epstein's tier was somewhere off way to the

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Speaker 8: right of the footage that's been released, right, And there

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Speaker 8: should be another tier camera like the camera that you're

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Speaker 8: seeing here, right. It's recording to people walking onto a tier,

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Speaker 8: the entrance of which is below the camera, right, So

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Speaker 8: anyone comes onto this tier has to cross this camera

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Speaker 8: to be seen. There should be a camera just like

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Speaker 8: that on the tier when Epstein's cell actually was, But

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Speaker 8: we've not seen footage from that camera.

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Speaker 6: And so are there other things?

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Speaker 5: As you've thought about this for years now about the

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Speaker 5: facility that people don't know, like that you wouldn't know

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Speaker 5: if you were just sort of a member of the public.

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Speaker 5: That influenced the way you see the allegation that Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Epstein killed himself, Like, are there things going on there

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Speaker 5: that make you see this story differently than if you've

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Speaker 5: never stepped foot inside the shoe people would see it.

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Speaker 8: I think mostly the stuff that I've gone over, I mean,

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Speaker 8: obviously knowing the facility itself and having experienced the staff,

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Speaker 8: you know, and you can this is all public record.

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Speaker 8: I published it back in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen

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Speaker 8: at huff Post and shadow Proof, and we dropped an

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Speaker 8: article at The Intercept I think in twenty eighteen or

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Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, right, So you know it's all out there.

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Speaker 8: But you know, I sued over this facility. I filed

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Speaker 8: in federal court because of the conditions there. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean it is it is. I will say that

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Speaker 8: it is a place where people can feel particularly desperate,

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Speaker 8: especially in the winter or the summer, because you freeze

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Speaker 8: in the winter and you boil in the summer in

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Speaker 8: that shoe. There's no air conditioning. The heat is insufficient.

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Speaker 8: You know, I had leaky water. There's cockroaches and rodents

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Speaker 8: and everything in this shoe. You have to like put

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Speaker 8: something under your in the gap under your cell door

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Speaker 8: so stuff doesn't come in at night, you know. So

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Speaker 8: that I mean, I can see how someone could potentially

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Speaker 8: get somewhat desperate. But again, you know, you have all

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Speaker 8: these guys who are facing like frankly worse situations, who

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Speaker 8: don't have the money for the attorneys, who have their

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Speaker 8: friends fingering them, and they don't commit suicide. They don't

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Speaker 8: die by suicide. About three or four dozen guys were

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Speaker 8: on death row, sentenced to die for really heinous crimes

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Speaker 8: right on the day that the Biden administration announced the

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Speaker 8: commutation of their death sentences. Right, none of those guys

751
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Speaker 8: had killed themselves, can't.

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Speaker 6: That's also about the guards.

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Speaker 5: You just mentioned that, and that's part of the story

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Speaker 5: is that the guards just who were subsequently fired, just

755
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Speaker 5: were they were distracted, they were sleep.

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Speaker 6: They just missed what was happening.

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Speaker 5: That also is an element that it seems insane to

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Speaker 5: a lay person, and maybe it is insane, But what

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Speaker 5: have you made of that?

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Speaker 11: So when I was there, you had a couple of

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Speaker 11: CEOs who were good, a whole mess that were lazy,

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Speaker 11: and some of that were outright malicious.

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Speaker 8: And that's pretty much the mix wherever you go in

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Speaker 8: the Bureau of Prisons, in the US Federal Bureau of Prisons,

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Speaker 8: it's going to be that way and pretty much any facility.

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Speaker 8: You know, certainly they're supposed to do half hour rounds

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Speaker 8: in any shoe. So a shoe is a special housing

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Speaker 8: unit and SHU and it's pronounced like, you know, like

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Speaker 8: footwear at shoe. But there's certain rules in the shoe,

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Speaker 8: and they're supposed to be the same wherever you go

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Speaker 8: in the federal prison system, right, and so they're supposed

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Speaker 8: to do these half hour rounds. You know, we haven't

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Speaker 8: seen camera footage that definitively answers one way or the

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Speaker 8: other whether those rounds were done, but we're told that

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Speaker 8: they were not done, and that you know, there has

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Speaker 8: been this long period, you know, before anyone had gotten

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Speaker 8: to them. I find that realistic from my time there,

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Speaker 8: because you pay attention. You hear when the guards are

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Speaker 8: coming on rounds, and they definitely did miss rounds more than.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would I would think, yeah, that that part

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Speaker 4: actually did square for me too, just knowing people, uh,

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the night, like if you can

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Speaker 4: get away with staying in your chair and and you

784
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Speaker 4: know closing your eyes and sleeping, you're probably going to

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Speaker 4: do it. So so that that that that part of.

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Speaker 1: Me kind of did track that.

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Speaker 4: In the army, they call it pencil whipping when you're

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Speaker 4: told to like, you know, go go make sure all

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Speaker 4: of these you know, hum v's have like oil as

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Speaker 4: you know, sufficient amount of oil and it and you

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Speaker 4: instead you don't do it, and you just check off

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Speaker 4: that you did it. Like that's actually pretty standard bureaucratic laziness.

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Speaker 8: I mean again, you see it in the Bureau of

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Speaker 8: Prisons everywhere. But you know, there were a couple of

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Speaker 8: CEOs there was. There was one his name was Ortiz,

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Speaker 8: and he would make his rounds every half hour and

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Speaker 8: you'd see it from the light because you know, the

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Speaker 8: light's off in the hallway at night, right, so you

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Speaker 8: can see the flashlight like coming and going. And I

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Speaker 8: was up late writing a lot. I took five hundred

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Speaker 8: pages of notes in that shoe because Rolling Stone it

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Speaker 8: asked me to, you know, write down everything for a

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Speaker 8: piece that they were working on about my case. So

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Speaker 8: I have five hundred pages of notes, day and timestamp

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Speaker 8: about everything that happened in that shoe. And yeah, so

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Speaker 8: there were a couple who were diligent. I'm not trying

807
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Speaker 8: to throw everyone under the bus, but you know, for

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Speaker 8: the most part lazy and some outright malicious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if people want to learn more about it, I

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Speaker 4: would encourage they go google. Martin god is telling you

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Speaker 4: looked up puff Post or Intercept for his you know,

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Speaker 4: his piece on the conditions at MCC and then also

814
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Speaker 4: his story on serving alongside Choppo's. That's a pretty pretty

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Speaker 4: interesting one that people can go find if they want to.

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Speaker 8: Well, for a minimum security guy, for a guide who

817
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Speaker 8: was supposedly minimum security, you know the whole time.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, Well, Marty, thanks so much for joining us,

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Speaker 4: very much appreciate it, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: The Bravo worthy feud between Hunter Biden and the pod

821
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Speaker 5: Save America hosts rages on, and not surprisingly, here's Tommy

822
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Speaker 5: Veeder yesterday and actually John love it as well, reacting

823
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Speaker 5: to some of Hunter Biden's comments about them on Andrew

824
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Speaker 5: Callahan Show just the other day.

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Speaker 6: Let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 12: You were on the board of barisma because of who

827
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Speaker 12: your dad is, and that is what people hate about Washington,

828
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Speaker 12: and it was part of the problem. And like there's

829
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Speaker 12: some other weird shit, like he said he blames the

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Speaker 12: debate on his the Biden's staff, saying they gave him

831
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Speaker 12: ambient on his foreign trip. But like Biden got back

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Speaker 12: from the g seven on June fourteenth, the debate with

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Speaker 12: June twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seventh, a fucking ambient.

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Speaker 12: If ambient was the issue, Like, I don't think it's ambient,

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Speaker 12: it's a age, Like he was tired, so they gave

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Speaker 12: him ambient also, like just like allow me to rent

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Speaker 12: one more second. Like his big beef is that Republicans

839
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Speaker 12: stick together and Democrats are united, but he's obsessed with

840
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Speaker 12: this show, obsessed with George Clooney. They don't talk about

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Speaker 12: Gaza until two hours and fifty minutes into the interview.

842
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Speaker 12: I'm guessing that that was the bigger threat to party

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Speaker 12: unity than a George Clooney off ed. You know what

844
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Speaker 12: I mean. It's just this sense of entitlement that like

845
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Speaker 12: from Biden, from his family, from the inner circle, that

846
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Speaker 12: he was like owed the presidency, owed a second term.

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Speaker 1: It's just very fucking grading.

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Speaker 13: That Hunter Biden throughout Joe Biden's presidency was a terrible

849
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Speaker 13: liability for him, and put the addiction aside. It is

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Speaker 13: because he was on Barisma, because he became an artist,

851
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Speaker 13: because he was part of a kind of like sleazy

852
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Speaker 13: Washington that, as Tommy said, people hated you were a liability.

853
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Speaker 13: You should be ashamed of the ways in which you

854
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Speaker 13: made your father's political life worse. And like the idea

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Speaker 13: that we're going to listen to you now, like give

856
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Speaker 13: me a fucking break's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: So you may remember that Hunter Biden actually really was

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Speaker 5: cooking Ryan when he slammed the Pod Save America host

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Speaker 5: for basically being guys hold up in multimillion dollar mansions

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Speaker 5: in La Yeah and Beverly Hills and then giving the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party advice based on their time in the Obama

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Speaker 5: White House, you know, at least ten years ago at

863
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Speaker 5: this point, and saying this is how the Democratic Party

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Speaker 5: can like recapture the hearts and minds of the American people.

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Speaker 6: Hunter's kind of right, and they're kind of right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hunter's definitely right. On the other hand, who is

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Speaker 4: Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: To be talking about.

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Speaker 6: It's incredible.

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Speaker 4: He goes on and on about all of these people

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Speaker 4: who he says have insignificant life accomplishments, including James Carville

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Speaker 4: and David Axelrod. By the way, if all you ever

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Speaker 4: do in your life is get a president elected, that's

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Speaker 4: you actually accomplished a pretty significant amount, but without asking,

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Speaker 4: without looking inward and being like, oh wait, I'm Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 4: I was born on third base and I just got

877
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Speaker 4: tagged out, like standing off the bag. So you know,

878
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Speaker 4: while his brother, you know, was you know, governor of

879
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Speaker 4: Delaware and was possibly on his way to being president.

880
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Speaker 4: I think if he, if he had not gotten killed

881
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Speaker 4: by the burn pits in Iraq. So anyway, let's let's

882
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Speaker 4: hear a little bit more of Hunter Biden's griping, particularly

883
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Speaker 4: about Clooney and some mothers.

884
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Speaker 1: He's not a big fan of Clooney.

885
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Speaker 5: And this is not on Callahan show. This is from

886
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Speaker 5: So it's actually.

887
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Speaker 1: He's been making the rounds.

888
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Speaker 5: Yes, well, he's done two podcasts stops. So the first

889
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: one was his good friend Jamie Harrison's new podcast that

890
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Speaker 5: is being pitched in all seriousness as like a real

891
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Speaker 5: effort to reconnect with the American people, to connect with

892
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Speaker 5: the American people. Yeah, Wygle made that joke in his

893
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: Hemaphore exclusive like debuting the podcast, and it actually isn't.

894
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Speaker 5: Like you can tell Jamie Harrison thinks that's what this

895
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Speaker 5: podcast is, and anyone who's funding it.

896
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Speaker 6: Thinks that's what this podcast is.

897
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Speaker 5: But Jamie Harrison didn't like have any idea how to

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Speaker 5: promote his Newsy conversation with Hunter Biden, So like nobody

899
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Speaker 5: discovered what he said to Jamie Harrison until after he

900
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Speaker 5: was going on that he had said anything like interesting

901
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: on Jamie Harrett, all the good stuff. Yeah, yeah, So

902
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Speaker 5: here's Hunter Biden with Jamie Harrison on George Clooney.

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Speaker 14: The President of the United States didn't know who the

904
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Speaker 14: actor was. They had written him in his staff I

905
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Speaker 14: don't know ten five six four letters, text, texting the

906
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Speaker 14: staff over and over again.

907
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Speaker 1: And he's going to pull out.

908
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Speaker 14: He's going to embarrass the administration, he's going tombarrass the

909
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Speaker 14: Democratic Party. He's going to pull out of the biggest

910
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Speaker 14: fundraiser because he disrespected his wife. Because you don't agree

911
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Speaker 14: with the policy as it relates to an arrest warrant

912
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Speaker 14: for Nettnago. Whether that's right or wrong, I don't give

913
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Speaker 14: a shit. That's good for the party. I'm not saying

914
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Speaker 14: he's not a good Democrat. I'm not saying that he's

915
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Speaker 14: not smart. I'm not saying that he's not a brilliant actor.

916
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Speaker 14: I'm not saying that he's not a good friend to

917
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Speaker 14: the friends that he's friends to. But in that moment, no,

918
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Speaker 14: he wasn't and he didn't do the right thing. And

919
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Speaker 14: to say something that is so patently untrue in order

920
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Speaker 14: to justify what you did afterwards is cowardly.

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Speaker 1: Yep, is weak.

922
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Speaker 6: He's also right that George Clooney was kind of cowardly.

923
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Speaker 5: He wrote that New York Times up ed not until

924
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Speaker 5: after Joe Biden had his debate crash and burn, right

925
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Speaker 5: when Clooney said.

926
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Speaker 1: It was pretty like it was pretty close, right.

927
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was a couple of weeks.

928
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Clooney, and this is i think reported out

929
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Speaker 5: in the Tapa Thompson book. People at that LA fundraiser

930
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Speaker 5: were really apparently kind of shocked by Biden's state.

931
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Speaker 4: And if you remember it was televised like it was

932
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Speaker 4: a huge, one of the biggest fundraisers ever. We covered

933
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Speaker 4: it afterwards is when he so there were there's video

934
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Speaker 4: footage of it where he like wanders off the stage

935
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Speaker 4: and Obama has to like grab him, And that was

936
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Speaker 4: one of the times that.

937
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Speaker 1: They called it a cheap thing.

938
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Speaker 4: So it wasn't just Clooney that Now Clooney had the

939
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Speaker 4: interaction where Biden's aid was like, sir, this is George Clooney,

940
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Speaker 4: George who was George Hunt?

941
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Speaker 1: And that's when Clooney is like, what now?

942
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Speaker 4: What Hunter Biden is referring to there is that a

943
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Speaker 4: Mall Clooney is an advisor to the International Criminal Court,

944
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Speaker 4: and Biden was threatening sanctions on anybody involved with the ICC,

945
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Speaker 4: which would mean that perhaps the Mall Clooney would be

946
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Speaker 4: barred from the country and would have her like bank

947
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Speaker 4: accounts frozen and couldn't do financial transactions. So Hunters saying

948
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Speaker 4: that Clooney actually had an ax to grind.

949
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Speaker 6: There, which is crazy. I mean, that's a huge shit.

950
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Speaker 1: Also, it's like, Biden, what are you doing.

951
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Speaker 4: Yeah, choosing the side of this war criminal who's going

952
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Speaker 4: who's trying to cost you the election? And you're going

953
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Speaker 4: to sanction a Mall Clooney over this. Get a grip.

954
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Speaker 5: It's such a crazy set of circumstances that Hunter Biden

955
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Speaker 5: is casually revealing on his podcast appearance.

956
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Speaker 4: But that's also crystal flag that he took credit for

957
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Speaker 4: Leonard Peltier's commutation. I asked somebody who was involved with that,

958
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Speaker 4: and they said, it is a fact that at that

959
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Speaker 4: last minute commutation was done with the family. So that's

960
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Speaker 4: a credible We can confirm that that's a credible claim,

961
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Speaker 4: at least from Hunter Biden.

962
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Speaker 5: I mean, he went pretty deep with Callahan on Leonard Peltier.

963
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Speaker 4: So yeah, and to overcome Biden's instinctive hostility to somebody

964
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Speaker 4: like Peltier, who was convicted of killing two FBI agents,

965
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Speaker 4: it must have taken somebody like Hunter to overcome that.

966
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Speaker 5: So I actually i'm did you did you watch the

967
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 5: whole Andrew cow Hanna Interviews three hours long? It was

968
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Speaker 5: I think you actually really like it, to be honest,

969
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 5: because his I found his comments on narcotics and addiction

970
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Speaker 5: to be really interesting.

971
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Speaker 1: Well, he's a smart, charming guy.

972
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Speaker 6: He's very smart.

973
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Speaker 5: He's obviously beyond messed up and in like the most

974
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Speaker 5: tragic ways, and some of which he's aware of, others

975
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Speaker 5: of which he's not aware of at all. But I

976
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Speaker 5: was thinking about yesterday, like there's this part of him

977
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Speaker 5: right now. That's the jokes about him being the new

978
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Speaker 5: Joe Rogan. There's it's funny because it's actually he's kind

979
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Speaker 5: of like the new Trump in the sense that Trump.

980
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Speaker 5: The reason that people are making this joke about Hunter

981
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Speaker 5: being the new Joe Rogan is because he comes out

982
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Speaker 5: and laughably, of course, flames the dumb establishment and positions

983
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Speaker 5: himself as a victim of elites. Him and his family

984
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Speaker 5: is a victim of scheming elites who just couldn't wait

985
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Speaker 5: to get rid of his dad, which is obviously not true.

986
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Speaker 6: But he's flaming the political establishment.

987
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Speaker 5: He's flaming elites in a way that Jamie Harrison sure

988
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Speaker 5: as hell isn't going to do, none of these influencers,

989
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 5: Harry Sisson, sure as hell isn't going to do. That's

990
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Speaker 5: why they got rid of David Hogg. And that's the

991
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Speaker 5: thing that that Hunter Biden is doing that Trump forced

992
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Speaker 5: Republicans do to do in twenty fifteen sixteen. He went

993
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Speaker 5: out there. He wasn't scared to criticize Fox News. He

994
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: wasn't like, ooh, I won't get on Fox News, or

995
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 5: oh Potze of America will go after me if I

996
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 5: say something mean about them, and Hunter Biden's kind of

997
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Speaker 5: forcing them to reckon with the reality that people want

998
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: to hear you flaming establishment, the establishment right now, and

999
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Speaker 5: that's the best way to get traction.

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Speaker 4: I don't want it to take away from his art career,

1001
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 4: but I Hunter should do a podcast, right And with Hunter,

1002
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 4: there's so many pun names you can come up with

1003
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Speaker 4: for a podcast. Yeah, but yeah, Hunter, I mean the

1004
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 4: right should love him. He loves guns, he loves liberty, freedom.

1005
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Speaker 5: I think the sad thing is he doesn't actually love guns,

1006
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 5: not not frying, not anymore. No, maybe sober Hunter and

1007
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 5: love guns as much as addict Hunter.

1008
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Speaker 4: But yeah, three hour conversations with Hunter and like whoever.

1009
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Speaker 5: Just about Leonard Peltier, Like I'd listen three hours from

1010
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Speaker 5: Hunter Biden on Leonard Peltier

1011
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Getting on there, Like with the Nelk Boys, that was

1012
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Speaker 1: wild