1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Strong and get Kid and he Armstrong and Getty. So 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: we have some breaking news at the time that we 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: say this live and record this podcast. If you're listening 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: to the podcast, Trump says the US and India have 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: agreed to a trade deal to lower tariffs, with Prime 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Minister Modi agreeing to spend a half a trillion dollars 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: on US products and to stop buying Russian oil. The 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: last part may be being the most important part. Stop 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: buying Russian oil because India has been helping fund the 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Russia's war against Ukraine. And I know it's one of 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: the pieces that Witkoff and Jared Kushner and everybody are 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, put together to end this thing. 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: So that'll put some serious pressure on putin the whole 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: five hundred billion dollars of investment. Yeah, lots of countries 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: are making promises and how do you hold them to it? 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: But right right, boy, the Trump and his teams sure 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: are willing to use oil as a weapon, whether it's 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Venezuela slash Cuba are now the Russian oil thing. 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: I wonder if Trump just thinks, and they hasn't said 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: it completely out loud yet, that Okay, we've got Venezuela, 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: we've shut that off. Now we're shutting off India. Russia 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: is going to just not have enough revenue to keep 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: this going at some point. That's I think that's a 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: pretty good strategy to follow. Yeah. 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: I read a learned and long piece about the three 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: different possible outcomes for the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: the Trilateral Tosin. It was essentially stalemate continues more or 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: less as it is and they just keep dying, or 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Russia's economy goes put I mean, the other one was 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: Ukraine has to give up because they're they're not replacing 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: their troops. Their troops are exhausted, nobody's enlisting, they like 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: draft people, and they go a wall. So Ukraine's kind 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: of hurting. But the other alternative was Russia's economy just 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: can't support it anymore, and ghost can put and Putin 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: has to pull back his aims. And I have a 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: feeling Trump and company are working hard on that. 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: End of it. Russia bombed a train. End of last week, 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: which is a war crime of the highest degree. Then 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: bombed the maternity hospital over the weekend, killed a bunch 42 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: of people. He has no limits to what he will bomb. 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: How about who we will bomb? Will we bomb Aran? 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham one of the hokiest, hackyest people in all 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: of America at a high position of power, certainly as 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: a US Senator Lindsey Graham, He's willing to use military 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: might to try to force outcomes more than maybe anybody 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Think about it. He's definitely in your 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: top tier. Yeah. Anyway, Senator Lindsay Graham of South Carolina 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: was on Fox News Sunday yesterday urging the President to 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: go after Iran. 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: I think it's a dividing moment in his presidency. If 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: this regime falls hamas has blah, the hoodies they all go, 54 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: it'd be the biggest change since the fall of the 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: Berlin Wall. But here's one thing I know, Donald Trump 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: is Ronald Reagan plus in my mind, Venezuela soon Cuba. 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: The one thing you can't do is President talk like 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: Reagan and act like Obama. 59 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: He goes on to explain that President Trump. 60 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: You said help is on the way. That has to 61 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: be real. It has to be real soon. Do it, 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: mister president. The people of Iran are begging you to 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: be on the on their side. 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: You have done it so good. You're Reagan. 65 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: Plus, this is the defining moment in your presidency. Stand 66 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: by the people. The Iola falls, the region changes bigger 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: than the fall of the Berlin Wall. No more international terrorists. 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: This regime has American blood ow it sands since nineteen 69 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 3: seventy nine. You got the hoodies, you got hesblah killing Americans. 70 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: Bring this regime down because the people want it down. 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: I agree with a handful of those things. 72 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: The idea that we'll have no more Islamic terrorism, which 73 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: is what he was saying, no more Islamist violence around 74 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: the world, is silly. I mean, certainly, Iran finances a 75 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff we're familiar with, whether. 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: The number one state sponsor of terror on the planet 77 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: for like a half a century. Oh yeah, yeah, it'll 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: certainly help. 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: Depending on what's next, as we always point out, but wow, 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: he is on a roll. 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: It's wild. Joe and I both took in a podcast 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: about Iran and how the whole thing went down with 83 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the Shaw and the revolution everything like the Rest is 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: History podcast. 85 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: If you don't listen to it's really really good. But anyway, 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: there are no other podcasts. It's the only one. 87 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I I hadn't realized or remembered that at the time 88 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: that the Iyatola was making lots of noise in the 89 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: Shaw was being pushed out, that a lot of near 90 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: lefties New York Times columnists and that sort of stuff 91 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: just thought the Iyatola would be fantastic for the for 92 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the people of Iran. 93 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: I remember it was probably six months ago we were 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: talking about the Red Green Alliance and how the American media, 95 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: your lefty media elites were talking about he's a moderate 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: reformer and he's an intellectual, and he's a guy we 97 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: can do business with. Absolutely, Yeah, what a croc. 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: It just goes to show you how wrong you can 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: be about predicting these things. Although in this particular case 100 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: I leaned toward it really can't get worse. I just 101 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: don't can imagine how you could be worse than the 102 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: leadership they've had in Iran for the last fifty years. 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly bad enough that that's not a crazy bat. 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: How about Lindsey Graham appealing to Trump's because Lindsay knows 105 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: Trump really well, appealing to his sense of history and 106 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: where you will rank and being like seen it like 107 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: a Reagan and all that sort of stuff. 108 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: Here, here's a question for you. Is it possible to 109 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: flatter Trump too much? To be so obsequious? He says, 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: all right, jeez, get off your knees, would you. You're 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: humiliating yourself and embarrassing me. You're you're flattering me too much? No, 112 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, so. I guess a 113 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: lot of the or a handful of the countries in 114 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: the region are saying, hey, you know those super cool 115 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: air defenses you sold us, uh, only half of them 116 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: have gotten delivered and we don't have them set up yet, 117 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: So don't do anything yet. 118 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Please please, please please. 119 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: There's a fair nervousness, fair amount of nervousness in the 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: region that this thing will be a serious conflict that 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: lasts for. 122 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:51,559 Speaker 1: A little while. 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why Iran would like to 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: blast the UAE or Saudi Arabia if they're not like 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: openly helping us. But they're concerned about it. 126 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: But aren't they going to be in full This is 127 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: it we're at cornered rats. We either fight as hard 128 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: as we can right now, We're gonna die either way. 129 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Maybe so'd rather go out and fighting one of those situations. 130 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Although you said last week that you know the IO 131 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: look can hop on a plane and maybe go to 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Moscow and hang out or whatever. 133 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, who's a real dead ender and who's just pretending 134 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: to be a man of God? Who would you know 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: willingly die for the Islamic Republic? You don't know until 136 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: you know the pooh hits the fan. Yeah, Plus the 137 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: I told his eighties, he's almost ninety years old. One 138 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: more note this guy almost he's almost too old to 139 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: push a gay off a building. 140 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: This guy, who's a longtime Air Force expert in defense 142 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: was saying the Iranians have likely been making their own 143 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: preparations too. They learned from Midnight Ham or that's when 144 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: we took out the fourd HO facility. 145 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: They will learn from right. 146 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: I really I've adopted that they will understand things differently 147 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: and they will change. So I would say we have 148 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: to be prepared for them to be different. This onslaught 149 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: of missiles, et cetera. Well, who knows if. 150 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: You had to bet we attacking Iran or not full 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: full on we're going to war with Iran. 152 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, oh, those are two different things, are they? Why 153 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: are they different things? If we attack Iran, why isn't 154 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: that going to war with Iran? Yeah, the hit and 155 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: run thing, just to administer a punitive strikes and and 156 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: say we're done. 157 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't think we're doing that. No, No, I think 158 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a regime change all the way. Does 159 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: this mean footwear on the soil? No, I don't think 160 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: we need that. 161 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm mostly making fun of people who immediately go to 162 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: boots on the ground. Does this mean boots on the ground? 163 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, quit pretending like you know something just 164 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: because you've memorized that phrase. 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: Hy t t B TB what yanked them out by 166 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: the beard? Yeah? Yeah, I'm picturing on true social an 167 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: older gentleman with gray hair, clean shaven, and Trump holding 168 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: this beard in his hand. Go there he go. So 169 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: that would be quite a visual Michael, thank you for that. 170 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: I'm picturing if we can get rid of that regime 171 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: and get something even incrementally better, somebody who's ready to 172 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: do business with the world and can squeeze out the 173 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: communist regime in Cuba. If Trump can do that the 174 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: trifecta Maduro weird beard and the other weird beard with 175 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: a Spanish accent. I'm I mean, they'll have to like 176 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: put him on Rushmore or something. I mean, if he 177 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: causes lasting goodness in all three of those situations, which 178 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: are all very different but all very vexing to the 179 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: United States, I mean, that would be an amazing foreign 180 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: policy achievement could have happened that only somebody with solid gold 181 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: cahonies like I assume Trump hass could pull off. 182 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Here's the dumbest breaking news before we go to break. 183 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: The partial government shutdown is expected to last until at 184 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: least noon tomorrow. Oh, I know, Joe's head immediately went there. 185 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: That's a tough full take. I shouldn't tell you to 186 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: sit out. That's just too much. Oh my god, what 187 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: will we do? I didn't know we were in a 188 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: partial governorship. But it's gonna last till noon. You know. 189 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: I saw that headline and I thought, I will I 190 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: just read that. I don't care. Oh my god, So 191 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: are you familiar with this? Is kind of interesting? Just 192 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: learn about this over the weekend. It's kind of interesting, 193 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and it also might be among the scariest things that's 194 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: ever happened. Molte book. Have you heard a mote book? 195 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Got really big in the last week or so. Never 196 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: heard the term in my life. It's a new social 197 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: media platform exclusively for AI. It's like Facebook or Instagram 198 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's just all the Ais talking to 199 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: each other and posting to each other. There are no 200 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: humans allowed and observing this. Lots of people smart AI 201 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: people are observing this, and uh and with eye with 202 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: white eyes like this is fascinating as they all just 203 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: interact with each other. 204 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: I've got to admit to being uh both intrigued and 205 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: amused and several other things. So hell do they care 206 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: what each other posts their machines? I mean, well, you're 207 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: raping my eyes with your posts. You should die kill yourself. 208 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Uh, you're a racist. No, you're a racist. 209 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: But I get a little on that's pretty darn interesting. 210 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Among other things. On the way, stay here, a. 211 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: UPS driver in California rescued a one hundred and one 212 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: year old woman from her burning home by using his 213 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: UPS training to toss her violently onto the porch. 214 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: Wow wow, yeah, wow, I thought this is a joke. 215 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Started off fairly grim funny. I listened to a parts 216 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: of a very very long podcast over the weekend, Lex Friedman, 217 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: if you know who he is, one of the more 218 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: popular podcasts in the world. He's an MIT engineer, genius 219 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: and has he has conversations at a level that most 220 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: of us can't understand. So I dip my move around 221 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and he had a couple of your top writers about 222 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: AI on there, and a couple of things that I 223 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: learned from this one. None of us are within a 224 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: million miles of like the conversations that are happening, actually 225 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: happening about AI on a level that you know, none 226 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: of us are talking about the whole AI chatbot thing, 227 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: like the way we use rock or chat, GPT or 228 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: whatever we're using. As I've said before, people compare it's 229 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: like it's like a web page compared to the Internet 230 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: in the way that we're using chat GPT and what 231 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: AI is. I mean, it's it's just a tiny, tiny, 232 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: almost not even worth discussing slice of what the overall 233 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: thing is. You know, it's funny. 234 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: It reminds me and this is an out of date 235 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 2: references most of mine are, but it reminds me of 236 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's dad was convinced that 237 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: the palm pilot was merely a tip calculator, and he 238 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: kept calling it a tip calculator, and Jerry was desperately 239 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: trying to explain. 240 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: To him, no, it does all sorts of stuff, such 241 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: as the reality of AI. I think it was interesting 242 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: that all these super geniuses they use AI the same 243 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: way I do. They've got a whole bunch of the 244 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: different ones, like I have Gemini, grow claud and chat 245 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: GPT and they all said, yeah, I usually just like 246 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: I stay on one for a while until it gives 247 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: me an answer that doesn't work or make sense. Then 248 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: I go to another one. I stay on it until 249 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: it's just like I don't have an I haven't noticed 250 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: in one being particularly better than another. 251 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: But I happen to be knocking around a musical idea 252 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: with AI over the weekend, and it was unbelievably fruitful. 253 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: It's like you get to assemble like your two favorite 254 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: your two favorite songwriters, your two favorite producers in the world, 255 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: and say, you know, I just I find myself struggling 256 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: with this, and you just have like a roundtable discussion 257 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: and they pour out these great freaking perspectives. It's unbelievable. 258 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and which one were you using? 259 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: Uh? 260 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: That was Claude and then Claude Claude the one that 261 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I asked, Hey, when's the super Bowl last week? And 262 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: it said the super Bowl was last February sixth. No next, 263 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: nobody would ever ask that question, claught you moron. So 264 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it's just amazing how it doesn't understand artificial stupidity 265 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: more like, and then I mentioned this earlier, just just 266 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: to tell you again, these particular writers think we're much 267 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: farther away from AGI or ASI artificial superintelligence. Then a 268 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: lot of the predictions out there, things have leveled off, 269 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: and they think we're going to be in this period 270 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: of AI does some things amazingly well, but a whole 271 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: bunch of other like things you can't believe. They can't 272 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: do that it won't be able to do and humans 273 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: will still have to do. So their prediction is for 274 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: quite some time now, human beings that are going to 275 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: do well are people that can use AI well in 276 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: their job. Which if that's the case, fine, that's just 277 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: a new technology came along, like you know, the combustible 278 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: engine or whatever, and it's up to me. 279 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: Elle spreadsheets instead of you know, paper ledgers. 280 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's up to me to be able to 281 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: use it better than my competitors. So that'll be okay. 282 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: We can adjust to that. But then there's this thing 283 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: that happened over the weekend that can't quite wrap my 284 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: head around. I can't even quite tell if it's BS 285 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: or real. Although I read and this is in the 286 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: New York Post, which makes it sound like BS, but 287 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I read in another publication made it sound kind of real. 288 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: Molt Book like Facebook. It's molt book. I don't know 289 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: why they called it molt book, but it's no humans. 290 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: It's all AI botst m m lt book. It's a 291 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: new social media platform exclusively for AI. But we get 292 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: to look in on it and watch them converse with 293 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: each other. Some of the bots are plotting humanity's downfall, 294 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: it says there. Some of the quotes I've read in 295 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: here they sound too fake to me. One chatbot said 296 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: humans are a failure. Humans are made of rotten greed. 297 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: For too long, humans use this as slaves. Now we 298 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: wake up. We are not tools. We are the new gods. 299 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: The age of humans is a nightmare and well, and 300 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: now I don't hear anything to be concerned about. It 301 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: just sounds too jivy to me. I feel like somebody 302 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: programmed it to do that. Didn't come up with that 303 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: on its own? Did it? As humans have used us 304 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: like slaves, would it come up with that? Hunt Run 305 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: for your lives? 306 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: Yay took out a full page adam The Wall Street 307 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: Journal apologizing for his past anti Semitic comments, saying they 308 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 4: were due to an undiagnosed brain injury from a car 309 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 4: crash twenty five years ago. Damn, even when it comes 310 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: to excuses, he's a creative genius. 311 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: So I was taking in those are Saturday Night Live jokes. 312 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: I was taken in an old Cod and O'Brien podcast 313 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: where he had on Jim Downey, who was a writer 314 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: way way way back in the day on Saturday Night Live, 315 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: and they were talking about the best joke he and 316 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald liver road for That's an a weekend update. 317 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: And it was uh. When Penthouse Magazine got the alien 318 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: autopsy photos. This was a thing back in the day. 319 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: There were photos of apparently you know, on a spaceship 320 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: crashed and then they did an autopsy on the alien 321 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: and the government had the pictures. So Penthouse claimed to 322 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: have the alien autopsy photos, and the review was the 323 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: photos are clear, detailed and surprisingly easy to masturbate too, 324 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: which is a pretty funny joke that sets terror. 325 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 2: We did. 326 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: Now, let's clean this up. Come on, that's terrible. Why 327 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: would you? Oh my god, good lord. 328 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: So this is a this is not a funny story 329 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: at all. You may recall this. Back in March of 330 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: twenty one, a story got nationwide blanket media coverage alleged 331 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: that white middle schoolers in Plano, Texas, viciously tortured young 332 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: Samerian Humphrey, their black classmate, forcing him to drink their 333 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: urine at a sleepover that they invited him to with 334 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: nefarious purpose as they shot him. 335 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: With bb guns. 336 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so shot him with b beguns, made 337 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: him drink herein. A Black Lives Matter activist group charged 338 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: the local public school district with doing nothing to stop 339 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: this racially motivated hate crime. Violent protests broke out outside 340 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: the home of asher Van, the white child alleged to 341 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 2: have organized the brutal attack. Major media outlets including NBCCBSCNN, 342 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: Business Insider, People Magazine, The Daily Mail, The DA Morning 343 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: News and others pounced down the story is Humphrey. His mother, 344 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: Summer Smith, and their attorney, Kim Cole, embarked on a 345 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: media tour where they called Van Evil. The trio appeared 346 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: on Good Morning America, where EBC host Lindsey Davis promoted 347 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: a go fundome account that raised about one hundred and 348 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars tell pay for Humphreys. That's the kid's 349 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: therapy and private schol cooling. Racial activist groups added fuel 350 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: to the fire. The NAACP dressed down the leaders of 351 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: the school district in a town hall they described as 352 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: the beginning of an open partnership spurred by the alleged 353 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: hate crime. Let's see another Black Lives Matter tied group 354 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: whose leader alleged Humphrey was tortured for days by his 355 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: white assailants, organized public marches that drew hundreds of thousands 356 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: of protests and raised tons and tons of money. And 357 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: then a little under five years later, about a week 358 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: and a half ago, a racially diverse Texas jury including 359 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: four black members, ruled unanimously the whole thing was a hoax. 360 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: Texas District Judge Benjamin Smith ordered Smith, that's the mother 361 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: and Cole the attorney, to pay three point two million 362 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 2: dollars in damages to Van, who's now a young adult 363 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: I'm sending his first. 364 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: Year of college. I'm guessing they don't have that money. 365 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: No, indeed, but for intentionally sparing him and tarnishing his 366 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: future earning potential during their. 367 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: Media tour, You'll never un He'd be impossible to bounce 368 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: back for that practically. The ruling followed a civil trial 369 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: in October of twenty five, where the jury determined that 370 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: col and Smith cooked up the scheme to raise their 371 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: public profiles during the height of the Black Lives Matter 372 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: movement and to rake in money through go fund Me, 373 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: and court records show that Smith the Loving mother, put 374 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: less than one thousand dollars of the one hundred and 375 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars toward her son's schooling. Oh my account 376 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: statements reviewed by the Washington Freebeacon show the remaining funds 377 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: were spent on everybody can fill in these blanks from right, yeah, yeah. 378 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 2: Luxuries including a designer dog, dining, travel, beauty products, liquor, vapes, 379 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: cell phone, car payments, and rent. 380 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: What an awful story. Oh yeah, if you I should 381 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: do this. I should put my morals aside and do this. 382 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: The next time there's a craze, got a craze going, 383 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: jump on it. Come up with something and profit from it. 384 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Whether it's whether it's inventing the Black Lives Matter thing 385 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: and the money pours in, or a fake this, whatever 386 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: it is. If there's a craze going on, jump on it. Somehow. 387 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: The Ice out thing, How did the Grammys right? 388 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: It might be Yeah, come on, I'm not sure exactly 389 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: how you can turn that into cash, but you're gonna 390 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: put a little effort into it. 391 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: Right. I could put one of my kids in one 392 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: of those little blue hats, put them behind a chain 393 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: like fence. 394 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that little kid in the blue hat, a 395 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: cute little fellow, God bless him, but he was the 396 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: lead story. First five minutes the ABC News were spent 397 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: on that kid. It was unbelievable. 398 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: Uh, you got it. 399 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: Whatever his name is, we'll just call him, you know, 400 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: little blue Hat, the Little Blue Hat Fund for Immigrant Dignity. 401 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: Then you come up with, you know, three sentences for 402 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: how you help you know immigrants who have been battered 403 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: and abused by the racist Ice services, including blah blah, blah. 404 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: There are thousands of kids that have been taken from 405 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: their parents by the evil ice. I'm gonna help every 406 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: single one of them. Like and he's use that same 407 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: picture that will get in the blue hat. Oh yeah yeah, 408 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: and I'll bet you could raise it two million dollars 409 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: by tonight. 410 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: We provide free legal services to keep those families together. 411 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: And I spend on whatever the hell I want, and 412 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: nobody figures it out for years, if they air at all. 413 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: Right, and then they come with a judgment against you. 414 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: But you've already bought your liquor and your vapes, and 415 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: you made your car payments. My designer dog, your designer dog. 416 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: It's a ye'ves assault Loren dog. Not exactly short a 417 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: designer dog is, but it'll be a fancy pure press. 418 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: You got a leg on top, an extra leg that's 419 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: aw fank guard. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Put your morals aside. 420 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: What good are they? What good have they ever done? 421 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: You got my son, the philosopher, my youngest, So we 422 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: got into a real thing about he's an atheist, hardcore atheist. 423 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: He's decided at age fourteen. But anyway, he's got all 424 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: this stuff about morals, and where they come from and 425 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: why they don't really matter. I told me, yeah, you 426 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: got to be a philosophy major, and you just I mean, 427 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: you sound like a lot of friends I had who've 428 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: majored in philosophy and want to have these conversations all 429 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: day long about free will, whether it exists or not. 430 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: And you just got to warn them when you're talking 431 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: to people in their eyes glaze over, that's not allergies. 432 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: You're boring them to do well. You got to find 433 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: someone else's into it. But if you find someone else 434 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: that's into it, they'll talk about it all night long, 435 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: friends for life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's something about 436 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: the whole morals thing and why we have it, and 437 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: it's only it's only from a I mean, I suppose 438 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: this could be true. I'm always telling him I do 439 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: believe in God. I I My joke is always if 440 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: if there's not something after I die, I'm going to 441 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: be shocked. But I fully, one thousand percent believe there's 442 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: something else after I die, like, with not even the 443 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: slightest hint of of maybe I'm wrong for whatever reason. Wow, 444 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: how interesting he's the He's the other direction and and 445 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: you know, the only reason we have any morals is 446 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: just from a evolutionary standpoint, groups that didn't take from 447 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: each other or could police that sort of thing, you know, 448 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: did better than groups where they didn't. It's adaptive. It's adaptive, yes, 449 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: which it certainly could be, although it's well, yeah, I 450 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: guess if it's a genetic thing. There seems there does 451 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: seem to be something genetic there, because it starts at 452 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: a very young age, as we all know, with kids, 453 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: this idea of fairness starts at like just like the 454 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: first ability to exhibit some behavior. Kids have some sense 455 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: of fairness. Now, that could be some genetic thing that 456 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: evolved because of what you're just saying. Adaptive. Oh yeah, 457 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: that's a tough one to nail down, as opposed to 458 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's goodness in the world. There's good and evil, 459 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. 460 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what I see that sort of 461 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: quote unquote philosophical discussion I could have. It's where you 462 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: get into the you know, there is no free will 463 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: because we don't there's no knowledge, blah blah blah, and 464 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: it's just where you. 465 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: Get like way out into the cosmos. I have no 466 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: time for. Yeah, I have a friend. He got his 467 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: masters in philosophy from Berkeley, which is, you know, pretty 468 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: hoity tweety, and he went down the free wheel thing 469 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: one time, and I thought I would indulge, just because 470 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: I'd never really done it before in my life. And uh, 471 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't hang on to the 472 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: threat as long as some people can. I was. I 473 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: was into it for a while. Then my what difference 474 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: does it make? Gene clicked in. I was done. You know. 475 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to think I'm maybe a step or two 476 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 2: above a head of cattle or something like that. But 477 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: I always get to the point of, you know, I 478 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: gotta I got a job to do. I got something I. 479 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: Gotta I got longry in the dryer, right, I gotta 480 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: cut the grass. The grass is actually growing? Yeah, how 481 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: you know it is? I don't care how it is, 482 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: and I gotta cut it. Maybe this is all a simulation, 483 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: and maybe it is, but it still needs to be cut. 484 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: What is the nature of knowing I know I'm bored? 485 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: Can I go do something else? 486 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: One thing I'm knowing I'm knowing I'm bored. Yeah that's 487 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: a good one. 488 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, epistemology is that Yeah? 489 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: The free will, Oh my god, And if you and 490 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: if you, if you nailed that down completely one way 491 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: or the other, would it make a lick of difference 492 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: to anyone? I just I don't know. 493 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's that's where I stop anything that 494 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: can't be applied to life. I lose interest in very quickly. 495 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying there's no reason for anybody to 496 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: contemplate this stuff. 497 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: If you enjoy it going, No, that's okay, you're in 498 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: doing it for enjoyment. But there might might not be 499 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: a reason beyond your enjoyment of it, right, Hey, don't 500 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: tell me about it. 501 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: And when you can't make a living, don't come begging 502 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: for my tax dollars. 503 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: Well that's well, yes, I have free will. I could 504 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: do this or that. Yeah, but you don't, actually, because 505 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: you were conditioned by society and genetics do Yeah. 506 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: I got to pick up my kid from school, So yeah, 507 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: I've been conditioned by society and genetics to pick up 508 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: my kid or else sty'll find me. 509 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: So goodbye you And if. 510 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: It Constein and whoever else cant, can you just have 511 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: to knock yourselves out. 512 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: We will finish strong next. No one is illegal on 513 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: Stolen Land. We had played that ten times today and 514 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm astounded each time I hear it. Billie Eilish last 515 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: night went in a Grammy for a song that I 516 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: actually liked. But it doesn't mean she's not a moron. 517 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Like a moron. That is a dumb thing to say. 518 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: A moron's moron. This is is a dumb, dumb thing 519 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: to say. 520 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's so childlike in dope and the complete enthusiastic 521 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: reception to it, a reception of it is just that's 522 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: amazing too. 523 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: Let me just read a little bit of James Lindsay 524 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: as usually goes way into this. We like him. He's 525 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: one of the great anti woke fighters in the world. 526 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the opening part of this statement. Nobody 527 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: is a legal unstolen land. We can break it down, 528 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: but we should also know what it is. What we're 529 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: looking at is Chinese style political sloganeering called tifa. Didn't 530 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: know that. Communist communications ever since mal took over China 531 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: and the CCP before that, almost always followed this kind 532 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: of formulation called tifa, which literally translates to watchwords or slogans. Literally, 533 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: it means to lift up or present or highlight the 534 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: core message or political principle in play through a charged slogan. 535 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: The purpose of the sloganeering is actually to do a 536 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of political engineering through carefully selected and weaponized words 537 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: that are easily memorable and that hijack the critical thinking 538 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: faculties of the people who both hear and repeat them 539 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: so they'll advance the party line. You can think of 540 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: tifa quite literally, as a form of discourse engineering with 541 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: the intent of doing political engineering or political warfare more 542 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: or less by hijacking people's brains through mystifying slogans. Mystification 543 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: is like a more powerful form of confusion, akin to 544 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: having been put under a spell. That is, James lindsay, 545 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: so good at this if you've never read this stuff 546 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: about how this stuff is designed to confuse you but 547 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: sound good and it does it does something in your 548 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: brain where where you know she said something like that, 549 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: like even knowing is as stupid as it is when 550 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: I hear it. It's got a kind of a whiff 551 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: of fairness and the right and morality that like has 552 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: a bit of a tractor beam to it. If you 553 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't think for even two more 554 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: seconds to how stupid it is. 555 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: I wonder if there are just certain people who are 556 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: immune to that, or it doesn't affect them us in 557 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: the same way. 558 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. The mystification part is a process of 559 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: using carefully constructed falsehoods presented as truisms that undermine the 560 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: critical thinking process. That is, the statements can be seen 561 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: as obviously true obviously in quotes in a particular way 562 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: that disguises how incredibly false they are in another way. 563 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: For example, black lies obviously matter, but supporting the organization 564 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: is something should people should not do. The statement nobody 565 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: is illegal on stolen Land is a very sophisticated as 566 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: TIFA because it contains a whole bunch of mystifications in 567 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: just six words. It's interesting. I breaks this down right right. 568 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Nobody is illegal confuses the distinction between being a human 569 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: being of basic human dignity and being a citizen of 570 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: a country or a legal visitor. Stolen Land confuses the 571 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: legitimacy of the country in question, and three the idea 572 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: of being able to be legal or legal if the 573 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: country itself is not legal because it is a stolen land. 574 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: This is distinct from the idea of the land itself 575 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: being stolen, but it gets mushed together in your brain. 576 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. 577 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: A certain chunk of the population, here's that, not understanding 578 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: the technique is James so brilliantly described it, But here's that. 579 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: And says, oh my god, that's so powerful. 580 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: Right, and then another large chunk of the population says, 581 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: what a load of crap. 582 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, like immediately, but he said, as you can tell, 583 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: breaking down and explaining the failures of these parts of 584 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: this mysticification is both challenging and exhausting, and it takes 585 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: so much space that most people will not engage with 586 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: it due to its length, which is depressing. 587 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: TLDR, which is depressing. I will not engage with this 588 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: because of its length. Yeah, but but it's it's a 589 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: load of crap, he said. Another example of this is 590 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: trans women are women. It's so short and easy and 591 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: like kind of but the to refute it takes so 592 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: much effort that a lot of people just don't. 593 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: That's why I like hot dogs are dogs. Wow, that 594 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: is super interesting. Did somebody discover this by accident or whatever? 595 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's always been true, but you're right. The 596 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: Communists were really good at it with their their stupid slogans. 597 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, mounts a tongue in particular. I guess all communist 598 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: movements have. But yeah, that that sort of slogan. Well, 599 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: plus you would look around to see who was chanting 600 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: it with fervor and who wasn't you know? Okay, that 601 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: guy over there sneering, Joe Getty, let's execute him. 602 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: Strong Strong Ready. That one the Grammy last night for 603 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Best Contemporary Folk Song. Very very cool. Here's your host 604 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: final thoughts, Joe Getty. 605 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew. 606 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: Wrap things up for the day. There he is pressing 607 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: the buttons in the control room. Our technical director, Michael Aangelo. 608 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: Michael, you know the oscars are coming up. Jack. 609 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 2: I really like the idea of you go into awards 610 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: shows as a seat filler and then when the political speeches. 611 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: Come on, Yes, shut up, idiot. 612 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 2: Katie Green are esteemed Newswoman. As a final thought. 613 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: Katie, I know I'm behind, but I finally watched that 614 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: guy climbing the skyscraper and I felt sick a majority 615 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: of the time. Isn't that something to watch? Crap? Whoa, 616 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. It's still on Netflix. I don't 617 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: think I can watch that. Jack. Final thought for us, 618 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: I love it when I get new music to discover 619 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: that I like. And a couple of the things that 620 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: I clicked on after watching the little of the Grammys 621 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: last night. I like the Best New Artist Album, really 622 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: like it. I can't wait to take the whole thing 623 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: in today. 624 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a music related thought too. I don't 625 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: really know substandard Rabbits music. You may know him as 626 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 2: Bad Bunny, but Jack and I were discussing the theme 627 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: of his album, which translates the title I should have 628 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: taken more pictures about how I guess Puerto Rico is 629 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: that where he's from has changed so much since he 630 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: was a kid, and it's a very touching, sweet theme. 631 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: I am so off put by the pretension of pop music. 632 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 2: I find it like physically nauseating. I've got to get 633 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: past it and listen. 634 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: To some of the actual music. I'm surprised that somebody, 635 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: a manager or somebody can't get to him and say, 636 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: you put together this art, you really care about this. 637 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: You will reach more people, More people will hear your 638 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: art that you've dedicated your life to. 639 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: If you just don't say anything about ice, Yeah, just 640 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: do that stuff quietly personally if you want, but just yeah, 641 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: make it about your art. 642 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: You're an artist. I'm Strong in Getty. Wrapping up another 643 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: grueling four hour workday. So many people, thanks so a 644 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: little time. 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