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Speaker 1: First of all, it began when Maggie Mother Maggie and

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Speaker 1: recent days. Her husband Alex, who found the bodies, was

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Speaker 1: shot himself in the last hours. A bombshell has the

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Speaker 1: knife that was used to slash the tire of Alex

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Speaker 1: Murdog's Mercedes SUV been found. This is how the whole

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Speaker 1: w ciic niche for Charleston tonight, we are following a

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Speaker 1: developing story out of Hampton County. According to his lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch has been shot in the head, his lawyer

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Speaker 1: telling us earlier today Murdoch was changing a tire when

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Speaker 1: a motorist drove past him, then turned around and opened fire.

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Speaker 1: Were told he's been airlifted at USC and that he

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Speaker 1: is currently conscious and breathing. Back in June, Murdoch's wife

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Speaker 1: and son were killed in a double homicide in Culleton County.

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Speaker 1: The shooting now being investigated by SLED that is South

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Speaker 1: Carolina Law Enforcement Division with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at ash

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Speaker 1: Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out

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Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Starvenee, Netflix, Hit,

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Speaker 1: Leeing Empire. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and start

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Speaker 1: of a new hit on iHeart the Pike and Massacre.

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Speaker 1: But first to Matt Harris, morning show host of The

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Speaker 1: Matt and Ramona Show on wl K and Charlotte and

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Speaker 1: the host of a brand new podcast, The Murdoch Family

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Speaker 1: Murders Impact of Influence. Matt Harris, tell me what's the

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Speaker 1: story behind the headline. A knife linked to Alex Murdog

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Speaker 1: has been discovered. That's what Fitznews is reporting that the

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Speaker 1: knife used to puncture the tire has been recovered. And

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Speaker 1: then you say the wording was linked at Alex Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: So that's all we know at this point. We know

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Speaker 1: that the kind of tires that Mercy he's been sports

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Speaker 1: I looked at the crime scene footage, not the double murder,

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Speaker 1: at that scene, there are no tools out to change

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Speaker 1: come to find out, those tires keep on running. Matt

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Speaker 1: His attorney originally said he was out changing the tire,

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Speaker 1: This is what I love about you, Nancy Grace. Lots

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Speaker 1: That's not the tragedy. There was a death in that

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Speaker 1: as a result of his son's actions, and then his

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Speaker 1: wife and son are murdered, and now he shot in

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Speaker 1: the head. It starts to add up, and not in

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Speaker 1: a good way for him. The only thing we're missing

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Speaker 1: is a mistress who just said that knock on what Nancy,

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Speaker 1: knock on? Dodger Bethany, you know you're all up in it.

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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace, we are learning that the

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Speaker 1: South Carolina who climbs he was shot in the head

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Speaker 1: by an unknown assailant after his son and wife were murdered,

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Speaker 1: also shot in the head, has not only been kicked

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Speaker 1: out off his law firm for allegedly misappropriating funds, the

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Bar Association has gotten in on it. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC eleven. Twist in

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Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding a double murder involving a prominent family

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Speaker 1: from South Carolina. Alex Murder, whose wife and some were

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Speaker 1: killed in June and who called nine one one over

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Speaker 1: the weekend saying he was shot in the head, is

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Speaker 1: now breaking his silence, releasing a statement saying, the murders

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Speaker 1: of my wife and son have caused an incredibly difficult

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Speaker 1: time in my life. I've made a lot of decisions

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Speaker 1: that I truly regret. I'm resigning from my law firm

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Speaker 1: and entering rehab after a long battle that has been

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Speaker 1: exacerbated by these murders. I'm immensely sorry to everyone I've heard,

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Speaker 1: including my family, friends and colleagues, and now ABC News

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Speaker 1: learning Alex has resigned from his family law firm after

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Speaker 1: it was discovered he had appropriated money from the firm.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday, Alex was airlifted to the hospital after calling

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Speaker 1: police to say he'd been shot in the head in

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Speaker 1: broad daylight while he was changing attire on the side

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Speaker 1: of the road. Authorities say he suffered a superficial gunshot

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Speaker 1: wound to the head. He's now out of the hospital

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Speaker 1: and entering rehab. It's unclear what kind of rehab. Back

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Speaker 1: in June, Alex called nine one one saying he had

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Speaker 1: found the bodies of his wife, Maggie and twenty two

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Speaker 1: year old son Paul at the family's hunting lodge. Now,

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Speaker 1: the South Carolina bar has kicked him out, but let

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Speaker 1: me point out, is only an interim suspension, and Murdoch

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Speaker 1: himself consented to the order. He has been suspended from

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Speaker 1: practicing law interim. And Ashley Willcott, it's my understanding. Why

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Speaker 1: do they love throwing around legal phrases, Latin phrases, interimains

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Speaker 1: for right now, like an intermission, intermittent. It's not permanent,

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Speaker 1: you're understanding, Ashley, that's absolutely what it is. Fancy and

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Speaker 1: the reason that that's important. Two things I want to

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Speaker 1: point out. Yes, you're right, it's introim, but it's also

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Speaker 1: his choice. He went to them proactively. He's smart. I

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Speaker 1: would do the same thing if I were God forbid.

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Speaker 1: And these circumstances, which I never expect to be but

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Speaker 1: because it's his control. Again, who's controlling the narrative? He is?

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Speaker 1: And how is he controlling the narrative? All right? Just

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Speaker 1: because there are all these circumstances and I'm not at

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Speaker 1: faults and I'm not guilty, but just to make it

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Speaker 1: easier for everyone, I'll do the right thing and proactively.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he give the suspension. Why do

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Speaker 1: you believe he asked for an Ashley? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but you can do. I don't think he because I

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Speaker 1: understand that he consented to the suspension, and I was

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Speaker 1: curious as to the standard of proof you need to

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Speaker 1: go before a state bar and say, look, he stole

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Speaker 1: money from the farm, because there has been no hearing

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Speaker 1: at all. But I do know this the South Carolina

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Speaker 1: Bar Association. The Supreme Court stated, quote upon receipt, if

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Speaker 1: sufficient evidence demonstrating a lawyer poses a substantial, substantial threat

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Speaker 1: a serious harm to the public or the administration of justice,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court may place the lawyer on intraim suspension. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they got evidence to make a

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Speaker 1: permanent finding, but I think the law firm presented them

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Speaker 1: with evidence. I mean, what do you know, Matt, how

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Speaker 1: did he get suspended from law practice? I do not

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Speaker 1: know how that. I mean the law firm said right

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Speaker 1: away that they had gone straight to the bar, gone

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Speaker 1: straight to law enforcement, and they had made sure that

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Speaker 1: they were on top of this because I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to be right with him any law. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is it the law firm, his own family's law. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: but there are other lawyers in it, because when your

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Speaker 1: own family turned against you, you know, it really says

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Speaker 1: that there a lot through speaking of lawyers, Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: your points were all taken. Then he has family members

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Speaker 1: in the law firm. It was founded by I think

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Speaker 1: his grandfather. But his lawyer, Jim Griffin says that, quote,

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Speaker 1: this type of order is standard in cases where there

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Speaker 1: are credible allegations of misappropriation of client funds or when

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Speaker 1: the lawyers incapacitated due to substance abuse. So is he

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Speaker 1: setting up some sort of substance abuse defense? But back

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Speaker 1: to you, Matt, Harris joined us l n K. Again,

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Speaker 1: we are dissecting facts as we learned them. Alex Murlock

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Speaker 1: has not been charged. He has not been accused of wrongdoing.

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Speaker 1: He is not a person of interest or suspect in

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Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul's murders. Let's talk about his gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: to the head and what does it mean A. Was

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Speaker 1: it self inflicted? B if so, was it a botched

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Speaker 1: suicide attempt or an attempt to deflect focus off him

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Speaker 1: suggesting that his wife and son's killer came back for him.

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Speaker 1: Let's think it through. You know one thing as well

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Speaker 1: as anyone. I've talked to attorney a couple at Journeys

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Speaker 1: yesterday for doing the podcast, and messing with trust is

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you yeah in law school, right,

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Speaker 1: don't the bar association. Let's you get away with forcing

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Speaker 1: your clients into sex as payment just all sorts a

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Speaker 1: bad dealing. But you mess with money, you are out.

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Speaker 1: The lawyers do not tolerate you messing with their money.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And so the hammer would calm down,

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Speaker 1: swift and heavy quickly. So let's follow this through to

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Speaker 1: its logical conclusion. What if this was self flicted? Fly,

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Speaker 1: where was this shot fired? We'll find out. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Combs story signing off, Goodbye friend,