1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Nip's death erupted all of the childhood trauma. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: I've never really have function and self love. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: I've never really functioned in self acceptance. This is my 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: time to learn what that is. I need to really 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: know what it feels like to be in sovereignty with me. 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: Lauren London is an American actress known for her roles 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 3: in films and television shows, including atl This, Christmas Baggage, 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: Claim You People, and more. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: That's like if I have to say I'm not that 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: person anymore. I'm trying to, you know, fit myself in 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: this box. I need you to see me in when 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I can just be and if you catch it, you do, 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: and if you don't, you don't. We live in this 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: world where social media allows you to just judge all 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: death with everything, though everyone is on their journey in 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: the way that they have agreed with God to be 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: on it. 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: How am I to judge that? 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Who am I to judge that? 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: I'm Ralei Dablukiah. And on my podcast A Really Good Cry, 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: for raw and filtered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: you to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. Okay, 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: first all, thank you so much for doing this. 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: You are so busy all the time, and I know 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: you're a homebody and so I appreciate you coming on 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: and doing this. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: But the reason I wanted to do this is because 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: I feel like through our conversations, I honestly have learned 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: so much from you, been so reflective after speaking to you, 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: oh wow, and just felt like you yourself have gone 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: through such an incredible journey that would help so many 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: people to help themselves but also help other people who 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: have gone through similar things. And so I'm really excited 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: to have you on. 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: But one thing I realized when I was thinking about 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: this was I don't know so much about you pre 41 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: us meeting. Yeah, what about you? I get glimpses of it. Yeah, 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: well you told me about past versions of yourself. Yeah, 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: but I feel like I don't know you. So one 44 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: of the questions that I want to start with is 45 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: how did you get into acting? Like, what was your journey? 46 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: Take? What was that journey I was I started off 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: in music videos. 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: I was a production assistant. 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Actually I was a PA for a music video and 50 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: commercial production office. And then I was then Paul Hunter's 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: assistant who directed commercials and music videos. So I was 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: in a lot of his videos and one or two commercials. 53 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: And then I got let go from the job because 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't a really great assistant. And I realized that 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: my mom really gave me like an ultimate like, you know, 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: you have to figure out what you want to do 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: with your life, and if you really did want to act, 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: you need to get serious about it. 59 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 3: What age was this? 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 2: Eighteen? 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Okay, eighteen, I would say, And so I started taking 62 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: acting classes like that was like the first thing to 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: do was to just stance class. 64 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: And so I was in class like. 65 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Fridays from like six pm to midnight, like 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: closed in classes. And then actually one of the guys 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: that I worked with at the production office was Chris 68 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Robinson's assistant. His name is Carl, and I found out 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: that Chris Robinson was directing a movie that was going 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: to in turn be atl and so I was like, Carl, 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: you have to give me an audition. I've been doing 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: acting classes like please please please, long story short, They 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: got me an audition. It took like four hours to 74 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: get to the audition because my car stopped on the 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: way there. It was just like a tragic, horrifying it 76 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: was a movie itself. And so then auditioned for ATL, 77 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: did a screen test. The casting director on ATL gave 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: me set up meetings for me to get an agent, 79 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and then after I just was working. After that, was. 80 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: That what you always wanted to do? Like when you 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: were younger, what was your dream of what you wanted 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: to grow up to do? 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: When I look back, I always wanted to act. I 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: think that was also a means of like escaping reality 85 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: and being someone else and you know, pouring your emotions 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: into something else, but like it not being forefronting you. 87 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: So I feel like when I was younger, I've always 88 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I don't remember wanting to do 89 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: anything else. 90 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, wait, so eighteen years old, if I knew 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: you then, or if no, not knowing you, then, how 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: would you or your friends describe you at that age? 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: I want to know A ticking time bind I was 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: really now that I'm like in therapy and like can 95 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: actually have like a educated view on and compassion on 96 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: like what I was going through at the time. I 97 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: was like really a ticking time mom. But I was 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: also very I was still much, very much a homebody, 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: still very private. 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: I've always been really private. 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I've always been to myself, like my 102 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: core group of friends, but definitely spicier than what I 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: am now. I was sassy, hand on my hip, don't 104 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: mess with me, you know, if you're trying to check temperature, 105 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: this water is hot, like. 106 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: I was giving that energy. 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: But pretty much the essence of me has been the 108 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: same as far as just like privacy to myself, chill, 109 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: but then I was definitely a little bit more fire. 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 3: And as you grew up, did you find that you 111 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: were able to keep the friends that were in that 112 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: phase of life with you? Or as you changed and evolved, 113 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: did your friendship groups change? How did you manage that? 114 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: Because I find that that's something that I struggled with 115 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: when I was growing and changing. That I was one 116 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: person when I was eighteen, and even though that person 117 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: might have been okay in some ways, I wanted to 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: adapt and grow and change in so many ways, but 119 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: it was a big change and shift for me that 120 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: what I then wanted to end up doing wasn't necessarily 121 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: what my friends wanted to do. And so I think 122 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people go through that where they shed themselves, 123 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: but then it's hard to know whether they have to 124 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: shed the people around them too. 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I went through that later on, Like 126 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: I feel like that feels more relatable recently than it 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: did when I was younger. I think, you know, when 128 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: I was younger, I maintained a lot of friendships and 129 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: I still do have, you know, those friends, but I now, 130 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: just in my own evolution, have opened up to newer 131 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: friend groups, people outside of what I find so relatable. 132 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I just am just more open to that. So I 133 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: feel like that phase and that lesson came later in. 134 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: Life, and that is difficult. 135 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: I do feel like there's not enough conversation around like 136 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: friendship shifts. 137 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what was the thing that shifted you? Like? 138 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: What do you remember a time where you had a 139 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: specific moment where you were like, I don't want to 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: be like this anymore. Was that Was there something that 141 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: made you feel that way about yourself or was it 142 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: just over time as you grew up and went through 143 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: different things. 144 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: I think more recently, just how I had to make 145 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: very big changes in my life. Life made some changes 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: for me, and then I had to make the choice 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: to go a certain direction on just like energetically and 148 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: certain conversations I didn't want to indulge in anymore, and 149 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: certain energies I didn't want to engage with anymore. And 150 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: so that creates isolation too, until you find a tribe 151 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: that is similar to what you really want to like, 152 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: engage with. Yeah, so yeah, that's more recently than anything. 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you find it quite easy to separate 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: yourself from it now? Like how do you create those 155 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: boundaries between you and the person that people know you 156 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: as will still associate you with, versus the areas and 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: the path that you're choosing to take now. 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. I was. I was joking with 159 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: one of my best friends last night, and I was like, girl, 160 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: you don't really know me anymore. But it was a joke. 161 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: But I was like, hmm, maybe there is some truth 162 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to that. But I do feel like I feel like 163 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: if I have to say I'm not that person anymore, 164 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: that means I am still part of you know. It's 165 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: like trying to force people to see this new version 166 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: of me means that I have no compassion for that 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: past I'm just trying to, you know, fit myself in 168 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: this box. I need you to see me in when 169 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: I can just be and if you catch it, you do, 170 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and if you don't, you don't. But I'm okay just 171 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: being me as I am right now, and also being 172 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: okay with the past versions of myself, not being so 173 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: judgmental on them. I'm like, I'm not that girl anymore 174 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: and just being more like, actually, that girl was so 175 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: strong and she brought me to this point. 176 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: I love her so much. 177 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, you know, And so I just 178 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: don't if someone doesn't see it how I see it, 179 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: or doesn't get it how I get in it, won't 180 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: see me how I see myself. Now, I'm just like, 181 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: that's just where you are. People can only perceive you 182 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: with how deep they see themselves. I think that's like 183 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: a saying, you know, like I can only see you 184 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: and have so much compassion for you with how much 185 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: compassion I have for myself and where I meet myself. 186 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: That's so true. I love what you said about not 187 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: being able to like if you have to constantly tell 188 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: people that you're a certain way, it's you trying to 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: make yourself believe it. 190 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 191 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: But I think I've always struggled with that, with having 192 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: other people's perception of me being something that it's not. 193 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: It's something that I find so hard to manage without 194 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: it taking over the way that I then see myself. 195 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: And but that's them, Yeah, that's at. 196 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: The level they've reached themselves, because I can even go 197 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: back to times where I wasn't so open to other 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: people changing or other people's evolution, and like, why she 199 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: acting like that? It's because I wasn't theory yet. 200 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's such a good reflection point where, actually, 201 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: are you trying to prove it to them because you're 202 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: not quite there yet and you haven't made it to 203 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: where you want to be? Or is it actually like 204 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: I see it more as a reflection point that wow, 205 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: whenever I'm trying to prove myself, who am I trying 206 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: to prove it to me? Like, yeah, I'm trying to 207 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: prove it to my talent. 208 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I used to tell my mom like, I'm grown, I'm ground, 209 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm grown. 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, why do you have to keep saying 211 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: you're ground? 212 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: If you're ground, you're grown. Love is you don't have 213 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: to keep telling her that you know and I think 214 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: my mom said that, like, Okay, why are you telling me? 215 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, even rather Thanaswami, he talks about how true integrity 216 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: is when and true integrity and when you can actually 217 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: pierce and penetrate someone's heart with what you're saying is 218 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: when your thoughts, your actions, and your words are all aligned. 219 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: And then so you don't have to say, you don't 220 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: have to tell people what to do. You just live 221 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: it and you're being it, and you are fully that. 222 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: And so I think about the people that I've been 223 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: affected by the most in life, and it's those people. 224 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: They've never said do this or do that. It's like 225 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: I see their lives and I think, oh my God, 226 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: like I want that peace. I want that contentment purely 227 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: through the way that they're living. And then exactly, you're 228 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: like hmmm. 229 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: And then I asked the questions like what's your practice, 230 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: what does that look like? Or like you know, yeah, exactly, 231 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: So it's just being. 232 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: I feel like you've told me that you were before. 233 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: You've told me that you always had a spiritual inclination 234 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: from when you were younger. Yes, do you feel like 235 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: through the work that you've done with yourself, you've unpacked 236 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: where that comes from or what that connection was for 237 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: you when you were younger, and could you share like 238 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: some of the practices that you still maintain now. 239 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: I always felt very connected to God early on, and 240 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: so as just time is evolving, I realized that a 241 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: lot of it was like God's grace and love over me, 242 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, just have this tenacity for service and you know, 243 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: connection with the most high. I feel like that's like 244 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: God's grace really over my life. 245 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: How did it show up for you when you were younger? 246 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Just when I look back on my testimony just where 247 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, things weren't going so well, but that I 248 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: was still intact and I was okay, did you. 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: Still feel God's presence through that time? 250 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: I look at it now and I do. I'm like, wow, 251 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: God was right there. 252 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: I was actually really covered, you know, just to even 253 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: have the still the love and the tenacity for God still, 254 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, after everything, you know, we as people go through. 255 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: I think it's just a grace and gift, like thank 256 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: You that I'm still here seeking your love and sitting 257 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: in your presence, you know. Yeah. And I think just 258 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: as far as like I didn't have such a strong 259 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: spiritual practice growing up, I realized I was very connected 260 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: to like crystals. 261 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: And very very curious, very cute all the stories you've 262 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: told me. 263 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: I was just like, what is this? 264 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: You know? How did you know? Who was this? 265 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 3: What did you tell me about this story? Was it 266 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: Amma or something when you were younger? 267 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: Yes? 268 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: Who gave the sacred hugs? 269 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: My friend's mom medeas, Yeah, I stay in line for 270 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: hours for this mantra and this hug, and just like 271 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: entertaining and experiencing other spiritual modalities and teachings and books. 272 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: I was always really curious about it, and still to 273 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: this day that is a practice I still keep it. 274 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 3: I think truth the truth. 275 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: Seeker would I will call myself a truth seeker, like 276 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: I really seek the truth. 277 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: I think I feel like true faith requires curiosity, Like 278 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: if you're content, always think about this. If I was, 279 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: I was born into a into a family with a 280 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: specific religion, with a specific practice. But you can either 281 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: go through life and do things so mechanically, which is 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: a lot of people when they grow up in faith 283 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 3: or in a specific religion do, or you start to 284 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 3: become curious and realize it just because you're born to 285 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: a certain thing, or just because you've been told a 286 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: certain thing, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't feel the 287 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 3: curiosity of other places that you can find peace, other 288 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: places that you can find contentment. And I, as part 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: of my culture, really struggled with that. I would think, oh, wow, 290 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: I have to just believe in what I believe in, 291 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: Otherwise I'm defying my culture. Otherwise I'm defying my religion. 292 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: At the time that I was feeling, and then when 293 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: I started reading Christian books and when I started reading 294 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: Sufi prayers, and then You're like, wow, Actually, true faith 295 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: is understanding that you can learn from so many different places. 296 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: And I feel that helps so much. That you put 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: yourself into these positions which could be very uncomfortable or 298 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: unknown or unfamiliar, but you will really lean into them. 299 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: And I think that that's such a I think that 300 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: is the key to growth and the key to actually 301 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: creating a deep rooted faith for yourself. I agree. 302 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I even in India, I feel like my 303 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: relations travel to India together. 304 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: It was so much fun, but it was also testing. 305 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: It was very testing. 306 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: And it's like, as much as you think you're humble, 307 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: and I'm humble, it's like India was like are you, 308 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: And it was a gentle humbling for me. 309 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: It's just unfamiliar, unfamiliar with familiar environment. 310 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: And I'm a control you know, I'm working on not 311 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: being so having to be in so much control, which 312 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: is dealing with childhood trauma and adult trauma. You know, 313 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: you kind of have the sense of needing to control things, 314 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: and so being out of control and having this trust 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: in a foreign country, away from everything that keeps you comfortable, 316 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: was a very gentle humbling for me. But I say 317 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: I am adding that because I feel like my relationship 318 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: with Jesus deepened in India. 319 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Isn't that so amazing? 320 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: That's beautiful My prayers, the songs in my head. 321 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: It was beautiful. 322 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: Watching you pray on that trip. One brought taste to 323 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: my eyes, but such happy tists because it made me 324 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: realize how much more I wanted to connect through prayer, 325 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: like we have different Like the way that I grew up, 326 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: there was prayer, but it was like you were taught 327 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: the prayers to say, yeah, what to say to God, 328 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: You were taught how to communicate with spirit. You were taught, 329 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: but the words aren't yours. And so I grew up 330 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: in a way where I didn't actually think what do 331 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: I want to talk to God about? Like how do 332 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: I want to communicate? What do I want to say 333 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: on a daily basis? It was never something that I 334 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: thought of. It wasn't like a sitting at the side 335 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: of my bed diar God moment. It was like, Okay, 336 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: in the morning, I wake up and I say these prayers, 337 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: and the afternoon I say these prayers. And so when 338 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: I got I honestly my eyes opened so much with 339 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: you and Jada watching the way that you communicate with 340 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: yourself and with God and the universe through prayer. And 341 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: it was such a beautiful thing to witness that because 342 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: it's allowed me to deepen my practice through watching that. 343 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: But I want to know, how do you, like, how 344 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: did you get into the practice of prayer and how 345 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: do you because I think that's something that many people 346 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: struggle with, it's how do I talk to God? 347 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: I still struggle with it too, Yes, I still very 348 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: much struggle with it. But prayer was introduced to me 349 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: very early on. I watched, you know, even though my 350 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: mom wasn't very religious, I watched Mom get on her 351 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: knees every night and just be grateful but I also 352 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: have an aunt who is like a prayer warrior. I 353 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: feel like she can shift mountains with prayer, and I've 354 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: witnessed things shift with her prayers. I've witnessed the power 355 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: of prayer physically through my aunt's prayers. I'm always like, 356 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: if it gets too rev I go to my auntie 357 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: house and she gets to praying, and you know, and 358 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: then through Reverend Michael, who was like a godfather to me, 359 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: teachers about affirm like affirmative prayer in your like. So 360 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: I used to think I had to get on my knees, 361 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: I had to be like a special you know, this 362 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: special discipline. I realized it's just like I'm in constant 363 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: communication with God. I'm in constant like thank you. I'm 364 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: in constant like I'm afraid right here. Show me that 365 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm okay, Show me that you love me. God, Please 366 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: remind me that you love me. Remind me of your 367 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: love over my life. Remind me of your plan over 368 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: my life. I'm losing faith. I'm a real afraid right now, 369 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: you know. 370 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: And that's it. 371 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes Sometimes the prayer is just thank you so much 372 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: for my breath, thank you so much for my protection today, 373 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, the kids made at home, you know, 374 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: and remember it's just the converse, the constant conversation. Yeah, 375 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: the communion, you know what I mean. And I'm still 376 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: learning to just be in more communication with God. I 377 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: feel like I can do so much better with all things. 378 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: But I would like to you know, I'm like, what 379 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: what is it that I would like for God to 380 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: feel about me? And I really like for got to 381 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: be pleased with you know, I'm not perfect, but I 382 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: would just like to please Yeah, you know God. 383 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: No, that's really beautiful thinking about it as a not 384 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: just the daily practice that's ritualistic, but every moment, what 385 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: is that communication? 386 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: Your breath is a prayer. Yeah, your breath is a 387 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: prayer like thank you, thank you exactly. 388 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: And every moment it's like, rather than thinking about yourself 389 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: or thinking to call someone, or you know, the habit 390 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: that we have of constantly wanting to we have a 391 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: human human need to want to communicate with something or someone. 392 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: It's like, you want to be intimate and connected to something, 393 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: and we sometimes misplace that where it's like if you're 394 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: in the car and you want to busy yourself, you'll 395 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: call someone. We'll put on music, But why not just 396 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: have a conversation, why not have a moment of reflection 397 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: or time to be grateful like every single moment. And 398 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: the way gratitude is always so overused, We're like, just 399 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: be grateful, but actually, how you just described it, It's like, no, 400 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: be grateful of every breath, like every moment. I'm so 401 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: grateful my kids came in every single day, Like that 402 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 3: is something to be so grateful for. 403 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, things that we take for granted that 404 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: we just assume are just always going to just you know, 405 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: be there. I'm just like, I know I'm not special, 406 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: So thank you for your grace and your love and 407 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: your covering you know you. 408 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: Joannel, Yes, And we're just talking about that. 409 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: And I never thought I was going to be a journalist. 410 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, I cannop, I'm turning into my mom And 411 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: what was it that took you to journaling? And I 412 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: struggle with. 413 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 3: Janelin and I still do. Even if I have one 414 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: of those the the you know books that come as 415 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: journals where they give you prompts that sometimes doesn't. 416 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: Those don't work for me. They don't work for me, 417 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: don't work for me. 418 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: I just have to have a notebook, and that turns 419 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: the page in those lines. 420 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: I just need a line notebook for me. 421 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 422 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: And is it free writing that you do? 423 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I free write anything that comes into your mind, everything 424 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: that comes to mind, things that sound nuts. I just 425 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: get it out because it's there. I need it out. 426 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: And so I especially like things that aren't so positive 427 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: that I don't want to exchange with someone else, I'll 428 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: write it. I'll just write like everything I feel about it. Yeah, like, oh, 429 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: I actually don't need to say it. I can rip 430 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: this page up. I got this emotion out. And then 431 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: sometimes I realize, like I don't need to say that, 432 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: this is what. 433 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: I'm really feeling. How am I really feeling? 434 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And then sometimes just like 435 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: I journaled this morning, like in my and my free 436 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: writing was really a prayer, I realized, because I was 437 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: just asking God to just keep me clear and just 438 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: allow me to be a channel that I don't want. 439 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, one of my biggest prayers is like, God, 440 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't want people to see me. Allow me to 441 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: be a vessel, and it allowed your works to move through, 442 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: you know. So Yeah, I just free write whatever. And 443 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I write I don't want to write today, I 444 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: am over it? Why and like that's you know, it's like, oh, 445 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: everybody gets on my nerves, Like everything is just to 446 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: get it out, and I feel like it's just self freeing. 447 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: Is that's the only way that I've been able to 448 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: use journaling regularly. And sometimes it's on my notes page 449 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: on my phone and one of the aggressive stuff that 450 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: goes into that notes page on my phone. 451 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: It's so good, but it has to get it out. 452 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: From communicating in negative ways. 453 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: It stops you from response. It's a filter. 454 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: It is a very needed filter for me because I 455 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: was very I would be quick to go after handle 456 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, I didn't like how you just 457 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: write about it. 458 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we met. Was it a year after 459 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: or maybe just after Nipsy past Or left? Was it 460 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: a year maybe when you came secured them? I think 461 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 3: it was in the year in the year, I think 462 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: it was in the year and I realized, like from 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: since then, which has been a good few years, I 464 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: feel like I didn't know much about him before, but 465 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: I feel like through you, I've come to love him 466 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: and appreciate him so much because of how you speak 467 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: about him and how you have you know channeled his 468 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 3: energy through the things that you do. And I wanted 469 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: to ask because I don't know this story, but maybe 470 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: you've told it before. How did you NPS meet? Yeah? Also, 471 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: do I call him Nipsey? You? 472 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hustle? Yeah? 473 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do we meet? 474 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love I love these stories, So 475 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: tell me. 476 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my memory is so whack these days, 477 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: but I do remember how we met. We were Oh, 478 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: I was on a set and at the time, he 479 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: had dropped this Crenshaw mixtape that all the ladies on set, 480 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: like the glam was like listening to, and I was like, 481 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, it'd be so dope if I. 482 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: And they were all from LA. We were in Atlanta shooting. 483 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I was like, to be really cool if I like 484 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: got him, got them his mixtape and all, like you know, 485 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: the Crenshaw stuff. And so I had reached out to 486 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, Danny, like, hey, do you know Nip, Like, 487 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: could you reach out and to see but I can 488 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: get a discount on some and stuff because I'm kind 489 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: of buying in bulk. He's like yeah, And so Nip 490 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: never reached out. His manager then reached out to my 491 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: friend and I didn't get the discount either, and so I. 492 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: Was like, Okay, I guess he's that. I was like, 493 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: I guess he's not trying to give me. 494 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: It's fine, and so then I bought the stuff, gave 495 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: the girls a wrap gifts, and then I ended up 496 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: following him on I don't even remember what social you 497 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: see my memory is, so. 498 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: Maybe it was Twitter, or. 499 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: At the time it was Twitter. I don't know, I 500 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: remember Instagram. 501 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: Maybe I started. 502 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: Following him and then he DMed me like, hey. 503 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: Thank you for this. 504 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: Damn. He's like, thanks, thanks for this, sup poor appreciates 505 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: you send me your sizes so I can send you 506 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: a personal box. And then he gave me his number, 507 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: and so then I text him because I was like, 508 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't do DM okay. 509 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: But did you think it was really cute? 510 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: Then I thought, yeah, I thought he was fine maybe 511 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: even first of all, me following him was very I 512 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: was like, he took the bait. No, yes, I thought 513 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: he was I always thought he was very attractive. I 514 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: actually had like friends that knew him that were like, 515 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: I think you guys will get along, you know, years 516 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: before that. But you know, I was just on my 517 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: like single mom stuff. I wasn't really like, you know whatever. 518 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: So I text him like, hey, this is a boogie. 519 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: I don't really do the DM, but here are my sizes, 520 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: here's the shipping address. And he sent back like a 521 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: funny little thing and he's like, yeah, I know you 522 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: from LA and told me what high school I went to, 523 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: and so that is yeah, And. 524 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 3: So that went on. 525 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: That was like a five to eight hour conversation the 526 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: first day. Yeah, and then that was it. 527 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: How would you, obviously you guys were together for a while, 528 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: how would you in a few sentences or have along 529 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 3: describe what your love was like? 530 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: Intentional, pure, and save. 531 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: Those are beautiful words. Yeah, I definitely get that sense 532 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: from me. Whenever you've spoken about him, what would you 533 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: say that you learned most from him while he was 534 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 3: alive and the difference between what you learned from him 535 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: since he left? Because I feel like you've had such 536 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: a it feels like you have such a strong connection 537 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: to him even after he's not in this world. 538 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 539 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 3: And that's another thing that I honestly feel I have 540 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: learnt so much from you, is how not to how 541 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 3: not to stop life? And I theoretically I know, like 542 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: in my mind. I know that the soul is forever 543 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: like that is something I believe so deeply. But you're 544 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: the first person I've seen truly put it into practice, 545 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: like honestly, because I've not been I haven't been close 546 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 3: enough to death within my close proximity, like all the 547 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: people that I mean the most to me are still alive, 548 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: or like I lost my granddad when I was really young, 549 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: but I haven't felt that yet. And me and Jay 550 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: talk about this a lot because it's something that I 551 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: struggle with all the time I think about it. But 552 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: you you'll be okay. Yeah, I know, I hope, I know, 553 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: But you the way that you communicate it just has 554 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 3: really helped me to process it in my mind. So 555 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: my my crying. It's like talking about you. I cry 556 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: every time I think about this. Yeah, I really appreciate 557 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: the way that you are able to use him again, 558 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: like be a vessel of what he was doing and 559 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: still find joy in it. Like it makes me cry 560 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: because it makes me so happy to see you do it. So, yeah, 561 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: what did you What do you feel has shifted in 562 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: what you learned from him while he was here versus now? 563 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 564 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: Who? 565 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: So all the things he was saying to me made 566 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: more sense after he left. Oh you know, he spoke 567 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: a lot about like he I'm such like in my 568 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: cave and a homebody that he was like, belive, the 569 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: people really need to hear from you, like you have 570 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: a lot, Like you have a. 571 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: Lot of truth you should share. 572 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 573 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god, he saw me. He saw me. He 574 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: saw me like my kids see me. 575 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: You know. So it's more about like afterwards, all the 576 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: things he said really and just like I was like, wow, 577 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: my god, he was so that was so true. But 578 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: when he was here, just the reliance on God. Yeah, 579 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, he really relied on God. He truly believed 580 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: in himself. He really did not believe in you know, 581 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: someone has the key to your destiny as much as 582 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: you do, as much as you and your creator does, 583 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, and so and just all the city is 584 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: something you can't buy. It's something you can't fake, it's 585 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: something you cannot put on. It really has to be you. 586 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: And I remember him telling me that. He was like, Boogie, 587 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're real authentic. That's something people can't buy. 588 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: It's not for sale. You know, no matter how long 589 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: it takes, you don't lose that. Yeah, and yeah, I 590 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: constantly even I listened to like his music. 591 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh my god, Hustle hear it differently. 592 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: I hear it differently. 593 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: How was obviously every single person it's going to go 594 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: through grief in their life, what was some of the lesson? Well, first, 595 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: what was the process? Like, how did you go from 596 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: I assume the hardest thing you've ever had to go 597 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: through to being who you are? Now? Where you are 598 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: such like a prize to people when you meet like you. 599 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: You I still feel like a mess. 600 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: That's the thing is, like, I still feel like a mess, 601 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: and I guess I I have to ask my friends 602 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: how far I've come because I still genuinely feel like 603 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: I have not arrived anywhere. 604 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: You don't carry heavy energy, you know when you feel. 605 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: No God, I feel like I'm really heavy a lot. 606 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: But again I have to counter that to just like 607 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: the grace of God, because if it was up to me, 608 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: I would be slow like sliding in here on my stomach, 609 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: you know. 610 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: But you know, I also don't want. 611 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: To take away from the work that I've done from 612 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: then until now. So I don't want to do that 613 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: because I'm good at doing that. 614 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: Can you think of like key things that pushed you 615 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: through from my kids are really big things. 616 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: But also I was fortunate to have a lot of 617 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: wise people around me. You know, my community was really strong. 618 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I had a lot of healers with me. I had, 619 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, I always say, Queen of Fua, Reverend Michael, 620 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: and then God just placed people my life that can 621 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of just usher me in and teach me and 622 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: guide me. I always say, the prayer of strangers have 623 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: held me up. I swear I feel like the people's 624 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: prayers have I can cry. I mean, I feel like 625 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: the prayers of strangers have held me up. 626 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a can't remember who says it, but I say, 627 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 3: you have no idea whose prayers are saving you, and. 628 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: I swear it's the people. I swear people have been 629 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: praying for me. And I feel it. Every time I 630 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: run into anybody and they're like, I've been praying for you, 631 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I have felt it. Thank you. You 632 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: know that's not just a blanket statement, you know. Yeah, 633 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: I feel like my you know, my morning routine has 634 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: really helped. 635 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that consist of for you normally? 636 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's changing, it's changing, but it started off with 637 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: a reading. It started off with prayer, meditation. I started 638 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: meditating during grief. Meditation was not a practice of mine. 639 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 3: What kind of meditation? 640 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: Is it? 641 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: Silent or. 642 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: Guided? 643 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: And then it turned into silent? 644 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but mostly guided. 645 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: And I know you've talked to me about shadow work. 646 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: Explain to me because I feel like most people may 647 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: not have heard of it. What is that? And how 648 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: did that bring you or change? Like, how did that 649 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 3: change you or help you to grow through greef? 650 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: So I'm not you know, I'm not well versed on it, 651 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: But what did it do for you? 652 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 653 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: What did it? Held me accountable? It helped me accountable 654 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: to the spaces inside of me that we're ego driven, 655 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: allowed me to be okay with my past past versions 656 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: of me that I could look back on and judge 657 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: and like want to hide from. But it just allowed 658 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: that openness of like, actually, without this, you wouldn't have that, 659 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then your past versions 660 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: of yourself are just trying the best they can what 661 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: they got, you know what I mean. But just holding 662 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: myself accountable because I feel like accountability is the only 663 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: way you can really move forward and actually shift and 664 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: change and make healthier choices. 665 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and so shadowy because when you. 666 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, it's just you know, yeah, I mean from my 667 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: perspective again, there are people that are like very well 668 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: versed in this and can really give you a rundown. 669 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: And I am not an expert in any way. I'm 670 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: just I'm just an experiencer. But it's just like looking 671 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: in the spaces of yourself that again are ego driven, 672 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: that you necessarily want to brush under a rug, ways 673 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: that you act, thoughts that you have, ways that you 674 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: ways you've affected others, that is just not necessarily your 675 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: most you know, I don't want to say best all 676 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: versions of you are great, but you know, like you 677 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: could judge that part of you. And also just like 678 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: the pain, the trauma, the sadness, the you know, things 679 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: that we might call week that aren't really they kind 680 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: of like usher you into because without the shadow, whereas 681 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: the you know, the light is now more illuminated in 682 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: the shadow. 683 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I always find that whenever I 684 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: notice that I have work to do in certain areas 685 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: by how I look and judge other people. And so 686 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: in my weeks where I notice myself, whether it's me 687 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 3: talking negatively about someone in my mind, or whether it's 688 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: seeing them in a different light or getting irritated at 689 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: people for certain things. It's like every single thing that 690 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 3: you actually get irritated with is so much a trigger 691 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 3: about you. Absolutely, it's so much a reflection of you. 692 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 3: And I think it's so much easier to point fingers 693 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 3: at other people. It's so much easier to say it's 694 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 3: them who's wrong, and so much easier to think that 695 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 3: it's them, and you can go through your whole life. I 696 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: went through so much of my life when I was younger, 697 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 3: until I moved away from home and had to spend 698 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: so much time by myself to actually think and see 699 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: who I was because it was so covered up by me. 700 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: Judgment Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And judgment is a big thing. 701 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: I think that everyone you know, I feel like kind 702 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: of you. And then we live in this world where 703 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: social media allows you to just judge. 704 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: A constantly, yeah, with every finger. 705 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's sometimes to get off, like, I don't 706 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in judgment. I don't want to because everyone 707 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: is on their journey in the way that they have 708 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: agreed with God to be on it. 709 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 2: How am I to judge? 710 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: There? Who am I to judge there? 711 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: Who am I? 712 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 713 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 3: And yeah I think about that too. It's like someone's weeds. 714 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 3: We all have weeds, but when other people's weeds look 715 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: like a different breed or a different kind, or they 716 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: flower differently or the same time, they smell differently. But 717 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, but my weeds are way better than 718 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 3: those persons weeds, and they're for weeds and weeds we 719 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 3: will have them. 720 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know what agreement you made 721 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: with your soul's evolution. I don't you know what I mean? 722 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: And I'm a judge where you are with it? No, 723 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: And I've learned like what goes around comes around. So 724 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: the minute I'm sitting here judging on you, I'm going 725 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: to experience the equal amount of that. You know, It's 726 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: like a ripple effect, and I don't want to put 727 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: those ripples in the water. No, I don't want those 728 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: type of ripples to turn back. 729 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: How did you get to a point? Because now I 730 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: feel like whenever you talk about Nick, you are joking 731 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 3: or you're like thinking of something that was really funny. 732 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 3: How it's so nice to see that you can get 733 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 3: to a place where you can do that but I 734 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 3: also feel how do you constantly feel connected and channel 735 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 3: Is it the same way that you connect to God 736 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 3: when you end up kind of trying to do you 737 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 3: still have conversations? Do you still try and communicate and 738 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 3: have a connection to Him beyond obviously his physical presence here? 739 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 3: But how did you get to a point of being 740 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: able to just laugh and joke about it? Because I 741 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: feel like most people that I've met, and I think 742 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 3: it's maybe part of my culture, it's kind of kept 743 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: very they don't like speaking about it for so many years. 744 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: I think that's just in general. I think death is 745 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: a yeah, as common as it is, it's really it's 746 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: really hard. 747 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: One thing that's sad, but the one thing we talk 748 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 3: about the least because. 749 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: It feels so final. I know, it feels so final, 750 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, in a way it is here right physically. 751 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: I also feel like, once you know, Hustle passed, I 752 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: was just like I got I'm just gonna be myself. 753 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: It is just gonna be what it is. 754 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: What the hell? 755 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: What the hell just happened here? 756 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: But I feel like when I am in in linement 757 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: with God and with my higher self, then I'll have 758 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: dreams about him or I'll see the signs, you know 759 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, and that when I'm not when i'm 760 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: not so aligned, I'm not able. It's like a fog. 761 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm not able to see the signs. I'm not able. 762 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's even like, you know, just in life. 763 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: I think when you are just in alignment with God, 764 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: you know, you just see the little miracles throughout the day, 765 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: and you know, when we're not and we're having one 766 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: of those moments and we're in those spaces, it's just 767 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more foggy and it's hard to see. 768 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: So I would just attribute any signs I see in 769 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: any type of clarity or you know, dreams or when 770 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm in alignment with myself, it makes sense. 771 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: Like everything, you're allowing yourself to be a clean vessel 772 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 3: to have those connections. 773 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm a witness to them. 774 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: You know, you have two incredible children. Gosh, we love them. 775 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 3: Across the bus and Cam the man. How doing how 776 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 3: do you you've explained You've told me this before and 777 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 3: I thought it was really lovely. How you managed to 778 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 3: celebrate the difficult days that come with grief, how you 779 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: celebrate them with your children? How you keep you know 780 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 3: the legacy going, how you keep them feeling connected. Do 781 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 3: you have anything to share that you would like to 782 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 3: on those topics, because I feel like you've spoken to 783 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 3: me about it and I really appreciated what you said 784 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 3: about it. 785 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's so different with both of them, because 786 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: one fourteen the other one seven. 787 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm always just a space. 788 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm like a container for whatever emotion that they have, 789 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: whether it's sadness or anger. I'm just like, it's okay 790 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: to feel all these things. You know, I'm holding it 791 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: for you. I feel you, I understand, I hear you. Yes, 792 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: it's so hard, you know, but so you know, playing 793 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: his music, write I'm always telling them to journal as well, 794 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: like write them a letter, tell me how you feel, 795 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, and let's put it away. And you know, 796 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I teach my little one 797 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: to and my eldest son knows is too, but to 798 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: pay attention to the signs, oh there's a white butterfly, 799 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: there's a humming bird, or you know, and really just 800 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: expressing their feelings and just being a container and just 801 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: always explaining to them that you know, no one ever 802 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: really dies with your spirits and this big body container, 803 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: and you. 804 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 2: Know we will be we are together. 805 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: We just can't see, you know what I mean, just 806 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: kind of trying to explain it to them spiritually so 807 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: that they have the language when they get older. But 808 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I think more importantly, I just 809 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: am trying to hold space for them. 810 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's really nothing I can. 811 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: Say or do as much as it is that I 812 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: can just be the safe space for them for their emotions, 813 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: and then I can create a space for them to 814 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: connect and it's a communication. 815 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes it's that feeling of not being 816 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: able to express to that person what you want to say. 817 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 3: We write it down exactly exactly. I think that's such 818 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 3: a beautiful way to stay in touch with that. We 819 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 3: were talking about India before and we went India together. 820 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 3: But you know, India was a sign of how to 821 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 3: embrace discomfort. And so when you went to India, I 822 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 3: want to hear from you because I thought you didn't know, 823 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: but you were incredible. We joke and laugh about that. 824 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 2: Really incredible you really were. 825 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 3: Everything was so everything was foreign, everything was unknown, but 826 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 3: you got up every single morning at like three am. 827 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 3: You participated and wanted to embrace everything. In your discomfort, 828 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: like how in something, whether it's physical discomforts, like sometimes 829 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 3: it was that what is your how do you make 830 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 3: something that feels uncomfortable and convince yourself and to like 831 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 3: make yourself go through it? 832 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: What do you? 833 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 3: What do you do? Because it's so easy to just 834 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 3: show you could have been booking my flyer. 835 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I was like, you had to remind myself 836 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: of the reason I came. Yeah, you know, And I 837 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 1: had to remind myself like, Okay, you're taking cold showers, girl, 838 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: you are not special, Like getting in the cod bat 839 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: and figure it out. 840 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 2: But outside of that. 841 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: I realized that a lot of my in dealing with 842 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: trauma and in dealing with having to be in spaces 843 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: that I feel like I can control. That that was 844 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: a really good exercise of letting go and not being 845 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: in control. And I didn't have my you know, my 846 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: comfort zones. I didn't have my friends that I can call. 847 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't go distract myself with television. Well, I couldn't 848 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: get sparkling a ginger ad, you know things that and 849 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was really dependent on a lot 850 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: of things outside in myself for comfort. Yes, I am 851 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: like depending on when I am uncomfortable. I had to 852 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: remind myself. I actually had a conversation with a friend 853 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: of mine and she was like, don't don't let you 854 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: know yourself rob you of this experience. 855 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 2: And I was like, I am operating in fear. I'm 856 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 2: operating in fear. 857 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm safe, but I'm kind of like operating 858 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: in fear because I'm out of my water and my 859 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: comfort zone. And I didn't want that to rob me 860 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: of my experience. And I just like, once I figured 861 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: that out, I was like, and have this. And then 862 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: I made it my own. You know, I think a 863 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: lot of times when we are outside of our comfort zones, 864 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: we feel like we just have to like conform, and 865 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: so I just like, you know what, don't you just 866 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: make it your own? 867 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 2: And I made it my own. And I once I 868 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 2: made it my own, I owned it. 869 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: And it was it was lovely and it was a 870 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: beautiful I tell it was like the most gentle humbling 871 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: I've ever had, because you know, you can get humbled 872 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: in some harsh ways. It was a beautiful, gentle humbling. Yeah, 873 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: that jetlag slacked out in my face, but it was okay. 874 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: I've never really have function and self love. I've never 875 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: really function and self acceptance, and this is my time 876 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: to learn what that is. You know. I need to 877 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: learn who I am outside of my trauma from the 878 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: childhood trauma then the you know, adult trauma. I need 879 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: to really know what it feels like to be in 880 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: like sovereignty with me. And that's the space that I'm 881 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,919 Speaker 1: in and I know that and I'm okay with that, 882 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: and that's just is what it is. Yeah, you know 883 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, and it is I've never been here before. 884 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. 885 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: You know, It's like I don't really know self acceptance 886 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: like that, and I would like to know that. I 887 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: would like to see myself the way God intended me 888 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: to see myself, not through the reflection of anyone else 889 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,280 Speaker 1: right now, you know what I mean, really just through 890 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: the eyes of God, you know, like I really I 891 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't have that growing up. I had a lot of 892 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 1: things I had to overcome. I've been in survival mode 893 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: for many years before the tragedy, you know, and so 894 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: I need to. 895 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 2: I need to love Onlouren and just see. 896 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: What that is. 897 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 3: And I think feel like that's actually the in reality, 898 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 3: the harder option, because the easier option would be to 899 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 3: be like, I'm just going to throw myself into another relationship, 900 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 3: but I'm going to throw myself into it. But actually 901 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 3: doing what you're doing, I always feel like I wish 902 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 3: we had that time or were taught to have that 903 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 3: time before we get into relationships when we're younger. 904 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not one side. 905 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: This is very personal to me, So I'm not like, 906 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: this is not my suggestion for people. This is the 907 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: space where I am building a deeper connection with God 908 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: and myself, and so it's really this is just my 909 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: and this feels so intentional and intuitively feels like the 910 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: right thing to do, and I just will not go 911 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: against it. 912 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like you're in your power right now. 913 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel very like finding safety in myself, 914 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,479 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 915 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 2: Like that's very important for me. 916 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: It is. 917 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 3: I feel like, so me and Lauren were invited to 918 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 3: the same thing yesterday, decided not to come because she 919 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 3: wanted to protect her energy and her time and also 920 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 3: what she she knows what she's able to give in 921 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 3: the right way. And I want to ask you with 922 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 3: the industry that you've been in for such a long time. 923 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 3: How have you manage is to separate the oh I 924 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 3: feel like I should go to this and people pleasing 925 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 3: and feeling like you have to stay relevant. You know, 926 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,399 Speaker 3: it's so difficult in from the small amount that I've 927 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 3: seen of that industry to feel like you have to 928 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 3: be places and have to be seen and you know, 929 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 3: to make sure that people know that you still exist. 930 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 3: And so how have you balanced wanting to have a 931 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 3: life that you're having now while still doing the job 932 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 3: that you love, which entells so much of this. 933 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: So that's a battle, yeah, still, because I'm like when 934 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: reality God has the final say, yeah, like it's really 935 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: not in the hands of nobody, and that's just the truth. 936 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: That's the truth. And so what I battle is the truth. 937 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: And sometimes the truth looks like it's delayed, but it's 938 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: not just right on time. And then like you know, 939 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: the people in your circle, that's like you gotta be 940 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: out so you're not that scene and no one is 941 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: seeing you in Adisaia to mine And I'm like, at 942 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: what price for me? Though? I feel like for me, 943 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: it's not for everybody. Everybody, you know, it works for 944 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people. So I do balance that I 945 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: balance that is it a lot of fear. Am I 946 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: in fear or you know, is this my intuition? So 947 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to figure that out. But more recently 948 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been out. It does not fulfill my 949 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: soul in any way. 950 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 3: What you have to do. 951 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 2: I'm showing up for certain people that I really care for. 952 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: Right but and then I'm like, okay, and I don't 953 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: want to go out anymore. So yesterday I was like, yeah, 954 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to take my energy source. 955 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was able to do that 956 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: and then come here today and be like honest and present. 957 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah I chose, I. 958 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,280 Speaker 2: Chose, I chose us. 959 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I still I find it 960 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: hard to balance that because I do want to, you know, 961 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: be with the people that I work with. I want 962 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: to you know, I want to be accountable and I 963 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: do you know, in a way you want to like 964 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: be a good in good partnership. And I just then 965 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: to make sure it's not my fear. A lot of 966 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: times it's not my fear. Untilitally, I am very much 967 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: intact and I'm like, I didn't have to go to that. 968 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 3: But it's also hard because being an actor now involves 969 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 3: so much other things, but you can't have it as 970 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 3: your artistry and your profession. It kind of merges into 971 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 3: so much other stuff as well, and so there's a 972 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 3: lot more fluff added to That's. 973 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: Why I cannot put my identity in my work. 974 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 3: I know. 975 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: That's why my identity is not in my work anymore. 976 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I used to be, like, I mean, 977 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: can I need to get this job? And I know 978 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: audition and I think now I'm just like again finding 979 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: home within myself. 980 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was your favorite or like, what's the most 981 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 3: exciting career goal that you've reached? Like, what was something 982 00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 3: that you were really excited that. 983 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, hmmm, I've really enjoyed designing capsules with Puma. 984 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you. 985 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: I really do enjoy that. That's really really I really 986 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: enjoy coming up with the creative with the photo shoots 987 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: and picking the photographers and picking the looks and just 988 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: being kind of like a creative director behind the scenes 989 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: on that has been like the most I love. I 990 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: realized how much I love that. I actually like being 991 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: behind the scenes more than in front. Yeah, I would 992 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: think that I would think just like the behind the 993 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: scenes work and you know, I've been pitching these two 994 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: ideas have nothing to do with really being in front 995 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: of the and I really like that too. 996 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, what you. 997 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 3: Working on right now? That's exciting it? Or like what's 998 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 3: to come? I feel like people always love knowing what's 999 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 3: to come. I don't know. 1000 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: Someone asked me, like, what do you have coming up next? 1001 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: I was like, ask God, I don't really know. And 1002 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: that's another thing. People are like, what's coming up next? 1003 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't know? How about we are gonna find out 1004 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,879 Speaker 1: at the same time, like. 1005 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 2: I don't know how about nothing? 1006 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 3: Nothing? 1007 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,320 Speaker 2: What if nothing is happening? 1008 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 3: I have been in that position. It's okay, Yeah, you 1009 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 3: know what. Since my book came out, I was saying 1010 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 3: to Jay, I kept going through these ups and downs 1011 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 3: of like I don't think I want to do this anymore. No, 1012 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 3: I just don't think I want to do I don't 1013 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 3: think I want to do this anymore. I don't think 1014 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 3: I want these things in my life anymore. And I 1015 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 3: think it's so normal. It's it needs to be more 1016 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 3: accepted to go through phases of the unknown of like 1017 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 3: I don't and I every time someone asked me that question, 1018 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 3: like I have no idea. 1019 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 2: It's so triggering it is socially. 1020 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: I feel like in what I do, it's like you 1021 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: finished a movie and then before you wrap the movie, 1022 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: people like, so what do you what's your next job? Like, 1023 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be how about what if? Sometimes in life 1024 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: we are just able to be and with that, and yeah, 1025 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,319 Speaker 1: take in what you just finished, because if I'm just like, 1026 00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: I won't even be. 1027 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 2: I don't even know what I just did. 1028 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: I can't even integrate that in my life, you know 1029 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: what I mean, And take the lesson from that. I'm 1030 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: just moving, moving, moving and using. 1031 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 3: A place of anxiety. Like I noticed that I was 1032 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 3: living in such a high of I had the adrenaline 1033 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,760 Speaker 3: mixed with the anxiety of constantly doing one thing after another. 1034 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 3: And then when you come off that, you still have 1035 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 3: the anxiety, but you don't have the adrenaline. And then 1036 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 3: suddenly you're just in this constant spiral of just feeling 1037 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 3: so high strung and almost like you're doing things with 1038 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 3: zero intention. That's how I felt, and that's what drained me. 1039 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 2: And I don't want any train. Yeah it does. 1040 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 3: When you're doing anything with zero with no intention, I'm just. 1041 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: On the hamster wheel. 1042 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,759 Speaker 2: Why am I doing that and you're just on the hamps. 1043 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,399 Speaker 3: I was breaking. I was literally I was crying every 1044 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 3: other day. I was like, I have no idea why 1045 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 3: I'm doing this, Like I don't know why I'm doing 1046 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 3: why I'm doing it, And I had to just take 1047 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 3: I took a couple of weeks where I was like, 1048 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 3: it does not matter whether I do this, this, this, 1049 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 3: or this. I need to figure out what's happening within me. 1050 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what I realized too recently, I 1051 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: just had it. I was in a meeting in I 1052 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: was realizing in the middle of the meeting that the 1053 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: downloads that I might get from God might not be 1054 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: the same downloads that other people are getting, and they 1055 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't get it if I said it anyway. So I'm 1056 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: just gonna let them run it and talk and follow 1057 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,360 Speaker 1: my intuition. 1058 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 3: You said what you want to say. I don't even 1059 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,760 Speaker 3: know what I'm doing. 1060 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: You know what, you might not even just because your 1061 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: level of success is higher or you have this job 1062 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: that you can appear to know more than me. I 1063 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: don't know where you are in your spirit. I don't 1064 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: know how aligned you are, So I'm always curious to 1065 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,240 Speaker 1: that like, where are we at in our soul? 1066 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 2: I don't really care about your title. 1067 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's soul laying in line, you can't tell 1068 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: me too much. I'm gonna follow this path, you know 1069 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 1: what I mean. So I've been dealing with, you know, 1070 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: just handling business in that way too, Like I hear you, 1071 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: but that's not Yeah, that's not much. Then I'm just 1072 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna trust my download because it's got me. 1073 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 2: That's far. 1074 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really has. Thank you, Thank you so much. 1075 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 3: I didn't cry, No, I did. 1076 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: You did? 1077 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 2: But do you cry every episode? 1078 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 3: No? I cry some episodes. Honest. He's always around the 1079 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 3: same topics. 1080 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: Got it. 1081 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 3: It's like me processing through having a conversation, got it. 1082 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 3: But he's on the same time. He didn't cry. 1083 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 2: No, No, I cried last week in therapy. 1084 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I was going to ask when 1085 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 3: was the last time? Go ahead, No, when was the 1086 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 3: last time he cried? Last week in therapy? Yeah? 1087 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 2: And that cry came out of nowhere. 1088 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I cried, right, Yeah, it's 1089 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 1: nice to embrace it. Yeah, I need to cry more. 1090 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: I went through his face where I cried so much. 1091 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to run out of his tears. 1092 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 1: I was like, it's impossible to cry this much. I 1093 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: remember being like, I'm going to run out of tears, 1094 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 1: and then I was like, I am over crying. But 1095 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: then I also realized that all the tears you don't cry, 1096 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: they get stored up. 1097 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 2: They do you cry about them one day. 1098 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 3: Physical pain, physical energy, and stagnant energy. 1099 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: I know, I know. So it's to move, I know, 1100 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: and I have a very I struggle. My relationship with 1101 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 1: tears is a struggle. It's a struggle. 1102 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 3: Is there anything that you want to either say to 1103 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 3: people about what you've been through or want them to 1104 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 3: know about you that you that they probably wouldn't know, 1105 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:25,840 Speaker 3: but you want them to. 1106 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a really hard question. I'm overthinking it, 1107 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 1: but maybe I should it. Don't overthink it. I guess 1108 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: trust the message that God puts on your heart no 1109 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: matter what anyone says, you know, I feel like that's 1110 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: really important. And then something I would want people to 1111 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,759 Speaker 1: know about me that they don't know. I'm trying, like. 1112 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 2: Y'all are just trying. 1113 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to y'all. I am trying to. I am 1114 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: with y'all, and we are all just trying that. I 1115 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: am not an expert. I'm just a reflection that what 1116 00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: we are all trying to figure it out? 1117 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, rapid fire questions. What are you reading right now? 1118 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: I am reading The Garden Within by doctor Anita. 1119 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 2: Oh that's a beautiful way, it's amazing. 1120 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,839 Speaker 3: What is your favorite, well, like, your favorite self care 1121 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,360 Speaker 3: ritual that you do right now as far as skincare, Yeah, 1122 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 3: or like anything like a self care ritual that's for 1123 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,960 Speaker 3: your physical body that you do. Been planning massages once 1124 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 3: a month on a Monday. Yes, very important. It is 1125 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,359 Speaker 3: so not if you have the ability. Like in I 1126 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,399 Speaker 3: radio talks about how massage is just like drinking water, 1127 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 3: like to help detox your body. It is such a 1128 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 3: key part of health. So just like you work out 1129 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,839 Speaker 3: and you eat good food, massage is like the next 1130 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 3: thing to really help your body to detox everything. 1131 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: No sit in and I don't care for Mondays. So 1132 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: if you do it on a Monday, yeah, a little 1133 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 1: bit easier. 1134 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,240 Speaker 3: Favorite skincare product you're using right now. 1135 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: It's this moisturizer from Epi Logic. 1136 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've heard that. Do you don't care? 1137 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 1: I love it? 1138 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 3: Okay, I've been recommended that. 1139 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing. 1140 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 3: What do you use on your hair? 1141 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,280 Speaker 2: Sacred fiance? 1142 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: Sacred? Okay? Do I need it? 1143 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 3: Yes? 1144 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:11,879 Speaker 1: You do? 1145 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 2: Okay, it's amazing. 1146 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 3: Good it is. 1147 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying it is really good, really absolutely, 1148 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm actually almost out. 1149 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,560 Speaker 3: We got it. Okay, amazing, good, great, great tips. Do 1150 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 3: you have anything that you Oh what is your your 1151 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 3: guilty pleasure when it comes to food? 1152 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 2: Oh, if I say this, the people are gonna judge me. 1153 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 3: No, no, tell me, no, tell me, tell me. 1154 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: Taco Bell chats horrible. 1155 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 2: People are gonna kill me. 1156 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: People don't kill We don't kill. 1157 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 3: We don't taco about. What's your order going? I know 1158 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 3: you know about heart. You don't even have to look 1159 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 3: at the menu. 1160 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 2: What is your order a Mexican people? 1161 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,440 Speaker 3: Oh that yeah? Okay. I remember coming to Taco Bell 1162 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 3: when I first came to America to visit my cousins, 1163 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 3: and oh, we had Tacoboll every day. It was constantly 1164 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 3: like anything. Taco Bell need the vegetarians. 1165 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: So I cannot be I admitted there, but I will 1166 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: Chaco Bell and chuck e cheese. 1167 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, chuck e cheese. I haven't mental chuky 1168 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 2: cheese and years 1169 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 3: Okay, perfect yea, and the rapid Fire thanks so yeah.