1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Tour, tour, tour, tour, live shows, live shows. That that 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: that a tour. It's baseball season. Yeah, that's right, it is. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: That means we're going on tour, right, Uh, Josh, Seattle 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: and Portland are sold out. I know we'll see you 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: guys there. Denver, Colorado, you are very close to selling out. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Colorado. Denver is like right there, right, And 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: then in houston's doing okay, it's respectable, but it's definitely 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Denver was like, give us a ticket. Yeah. And I 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: gotta say, Houston, we really stuck our neck out for you. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: After Dallas and Austin. We heard from a lot of 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Houston nights about how big your city is, so prove it. 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: Oh what they called throwing on the gauntlet. Uh. And 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: we have two more shows to announce, Is that correct, sir? 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: That's right. We are doing Night one and Night to 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: at the Bell House in New York City. That's right 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. Bellhouse has been our home there 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: for many years. And coming back home. Yeah, these are 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: very special shows because they're smaller, smaller than places we've 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: been playing, and we love it there and I think 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: it's it seems gonna be pretty great. Yeah, so that's June. 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Tickets go on sale Friday Friday, that is correct, and 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: we will have links at our square space website s 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: y s K live dot com. Make sure you buy 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: tickets to the correct night that you want to go. 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's gonna be the same show both nights, right, 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: be the same show both nights. And now all I 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: need our tickets from Lynn Manuel Miranda to go see 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Hamilton's on Broadway. Oh yeah, sure, sign me up for 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: those as well. Pleased. It's pretty tough ticket to get. 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: So if you're a listener, sir, you can come to 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: our show. Yeah, oh yeah, totally, even though it conflicts 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: with the Hamilton's performance. Yeah, that's what I so like, 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: we said, s y s K live dot com powered 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: by squarespace, where you can find all the tour deeds. Yeah, 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: we'll see you soon, Brooklyn. Welcome to stuff you should 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: know from House to Works dot com. Hey, and welcome 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuff Bryant, 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: and there's Jerry over there I can hear, and this 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: is Deis. We're working and that means we're not on strike, 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: that's right, strike, strike, Strike. Remember the flint Stones Betty 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: Walma used to wander around shouting strike Why because they 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: were tired of being no recollection of that. I just 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: remember seeing them like pumping their hands in the air 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: shouting strike. Interesting. So, uh, as a little background if 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: you want to go listen first to our show from 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: how labor unions work. Good one might be a good 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: little precursor to this because they are tied together like 48 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: ham and cheese. Yeah, because you really can't have a 49 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: strike without a union, and you can, you can, but 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: you're probably in trouble if you do. For the most part. 51 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, technically, we could all that how stuff works, 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: decided to go on strike and we're not in an union. Yeah, 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Like we could all walk out and say we want 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: free lunch or we're not podcasting anymore. Free lunch would 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: be great. So technically you could do it, but I 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: don't know about the legalities of stuff like that. Um, 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: well that's the thing, okay, So we could do it, 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, but we wouldn't be afforded the same 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: legal protections that strikers who are striking under a labor 60 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: union are. That's what that's what's our boss would probably say, 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: let me see if we can work out free lunch. 62 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Would be like heyn, we burned a strike on that. Um. 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: It would be a problem if we burned a strike 64 00:03:54,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: on that because strikes are the they're the last um. 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: They're basically the last resort of any labor union. Yeah, 66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: labor union doesn't say, uh, you know, I wish we 67 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: were paid more, let's go on strike tomorrow. Yeah, I know, 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen like now. You try to work it 69 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: out with your employer. First sit down at the negotiating table. Uh. Well, 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: we're jumping ahead here. Okay, let's get to some history. 71 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: You want to talk about this, the history of strikes. Yeah, 72 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: not a lot is known about the very first strike. Um, 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: but they do know that the word was used in 74 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds. And it probably means because I kind 75 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: of wondered what does that mean, it probably means came 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: from like to strike a blow, Yeah, like a punch 77 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: in the mouth from strike someone from labor to capital. 78 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: That's right, just saying hey man, you can't push this around. 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: And it was a it's a it's a really important 80 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: right to be able the striker. It was for a 81 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: very long time, because back in the day, if you 82 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: UM worked in a town in Massachusetts or something like 83 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: that in the late eighteenth century, there's probably one company 84 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: in that town, and so therefore that company had what's 85 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: called the monopsony, meaning that they were the only employer around. 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: So they had a they could decide what they paid 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: you and what were you gonna do. You can't take 88 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: a horse fifty miles to work every day to the 89 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: next town. So UM the to counteract this monopsony of 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: the employer the ability for the workers to get together 91 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we are going to not work and 92 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: you will not have the product that we make for 93 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: you unless we come to some agreement over these labor 94 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: conditions and wages and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, that's 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: who they came from. One of one of the first 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: strikes was in when some printers in Philadelphia said, you 97 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: know what, we want to raise in The company said nope, no, 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: thank you, We'll pay you just like you're paid. He said, 99 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: all right, well you know what, we're not going to anything. 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: And it worked. They quit working and they ended up 101 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: getting their rays right. The owner was like, I haven't 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: expected this outcome. How dare you so? Because it worked. 103 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Over the next few decades, other people said the same thing. 104 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: If we're all in the same profession, let's some band 105 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: together and say we want to be treated more fairly. 106 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: We're making this company a ton of money. They're paying 107 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: a squat. It's not safe, we're working too long. Oh yeah, 108 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: little kids are working here. Yeah, child labor is going on. 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: So this is we're powerless as an individual to walk 110 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 1: in and say, you know, I want more paid, because 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: they will say you're fired. But if we band together, 112 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: we actually have some bargaining power, exactly. And that's what 113 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: that's what a union is. It's an assemblage of workers 114 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: who share some sort of commonality. Either they work for 115 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: the same company. Usually they work in the same trade. 116 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: So like electrical workers in a company plant, well, all 117 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: the wong to one union, and the upholsterers will belong 118 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: to another union, and so on and so forth. Right, 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: so you have a bunch of different unions and in 120 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: the same plant for working for the same company. Um. 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: But so usually the thing that binds workers in a 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: union is their trade, right, Um. And when they get 123 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: together and they say no more, we're not working anymore. 124 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: Until you guys do something that is power and that's 125 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: the strike. But again they're supposed to be bargaining that 126 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: comes before this. Yeah, strikes are a bit of a 127 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: double edged sword. Uh, your company is going to very 128 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: quickly cease to make money because things aren't being produced 129 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: a lot of money, which is a big deal. But you, 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: as strikers are also not making money. Um. You might 131 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: have what's called a war chest built up when your 132 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: union has set aside money in case of a strike, 133 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna carry you through a prolonged strike 134 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be your regular paycheck. So a 135 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: war chest is not going to solve your problem ultimately 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: if if it becomes a battle of wills, both sides 137 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: are dug in for months and even years. And apparently 138 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: so Europe's very well known for strikes. UM, Like, it 139 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: seems like France was striking like every couple of weeks 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: for a while. They're right, Um, but it turns out 141 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: that the US has struck gone on strike how about that? Um, 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: about as often as Europe has from something like I 143 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: think the eighteen eighties till the nineteen seventies, and um 144 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: has actually had bloodier strikes and longer strikes, so that 145 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: the mean number of days of strike lasts in the 146 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: United States or did between eighteen eighty one and nineteen 147 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: seventy four, was twenty days. So yeah, if you're like 148 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: a wage laborer, that's three weeks paid that you're losing 149 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: out on. That's the meat. You know. It could go 150 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: longer than that. Yeah, and that's exactly what is going 151 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: on in the in the boardroom for the company is there. 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, how long can we wait them out? How 153 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: long can they wait us out? There's a game of 154 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: chess sent a lot of ways. Uh. And like you said, 155 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: it is a last resort. A union can't just call 156 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: a strike. Um, a union leader or the upper management 157 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: of the union can't just say we're going on strike. 158 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: You gotta put it to a vote. And it's not 159 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: like like generally it's eight or up. Uh. People have 160 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: to be behind it, and which is what you want, 161 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: because if your your labor pool isn't strong and your 162 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: union isn't strong, then you're gonna lose. Exactly, They're gonna 163 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: start crossing that picket line. We'll get to all that, 164 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: of course, but but even beyond that, the union leadership 165 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: has to be smart enough to say, guys like, we 166 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: know that eight percent of you are voting fists and 167 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: that's the gender neutral guys. Stop your email now. Um, 168 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: but this is a terrible time to go on strike, Like, 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: we don't have public sympathy. Um, you have big time. 170 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: The economics are against us. The brand recognition and brand 171 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: loyalty of the company we work for is through the roof. 172 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: It's a terrible time to strike. So if that happens 173 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: and the workers are disaffected enough, um, they might they 174 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: may say no, we're going on strike anyway without the 175 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: blessing of the union. That's what's called a wildcat strike. Yes. 176 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: And also I think the name of a Blackfoot album? 177 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: Who's Blackfoot? What are they newish? Are they from the 178 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: seventies eighties? They were one? They were a Southern rock band. 179 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: Uh oh Atlanta Rhythm Section. No, I used to love 180 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: them too, black Yeah, they were I think like either 181 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: two thirds or three quarters of the band were Native 182 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: American and so they were Blackfoot. And the lead singer 183 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: was in a very early incarnation of Leonard SKINNERD and 184 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: is now with Leonard Skinnerd again. I see Rickey Medlock Wow. Yeah, 185 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: I've never heard of Blackfoot. Yeah, I'm sorry for that. 186 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Blackfoot guys they were they were a hard rock southern 187 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: rock band. It sounds like something i'd like. Yeah, go 188 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: listen to the Blackfoot. So on good morning, Okay, good morning. Uh. 189 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: If you want to not strike, one of the first 190 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: things you might do if you have a disagreement as 191 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: file a grievance. Uh. And like I said, when it 192 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: comes time to sit down, hopefully you can both work 193 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: things out at the old bargaining table. Well, and the 194 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: bargaining table. This is like, this is a very important point. 195 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Strikes occur almost across the board during contract negotiations. They 196 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: don't happen during contracts or else you're in a major violation, 197 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: usually of the contract itself. This is our contracts coming up, 198 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: and we've been thinking, we really don't want mandatory tonsillectomies. 199 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: We want that remove from this past contract. And the 200 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: employer says, no tons electomies for everybody, and then you 201 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: you have a problem. There's a there's an issue right here, 202 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: it's at the bargaining table. It's contract related, and it 203 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: can conceivably lead to a strike. So there's differ kinds 204 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: of strikes. Um, there are a few that proceede the 205 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: full on no one's coming to work strike. Uh, kind 206 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: of like a warning shot strike, as you can have 207 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: a sick out or sick in, and that is when 208 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: you're just sort of saying, here's what could happen. Company owner, 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: factory owner, we're all calling in sick today, and this 210 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: is what it's gonna be like. Imagine this for days 211 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and days in a row. Yeah, you'd hate it, factory owner. 212 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: But we're all not feeling well. Yeah, And there's actually 213 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: some professions that legally give up the right to strike 214 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: but could still conceivably do this. So, like cops sometimes 215 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: come down with what's called blue flu, which is a 216 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: structured sick out among cops, and it's still following the 217 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: letter because each cop is saying, I'm taking a sick day, 218 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: which I am legally afforded, but all of them are 219 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: taking it at the same time. So it's a problem. Yeah, 220 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times, like, uh, if it's a public 221 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: service that people really count on, fireman cops, Yeah, they 222 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: can't take they can't go on strike, but they can't 223 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: stick out. We can't strike, but we can stick out 224 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: or we generally is what we've done is in our contract, 225 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: we've agreed to arbitration as a means to settle disputes. Right, 226 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: but we can just yeah, blue flu um. There's also 227 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: a slowdown too, which I mean, this is the most 228 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: passive aggressive any think it really is. It's like, oh, 229 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: let me make sure that that bolt is on again? 230 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: Where was that bolt? Where was that rich? Where did 231 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: I put that? Right? It's where um everybody goes to work. 232 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: But they do their work very slowly, and again they're 233 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: able to get away with this because they're following the rules. 234 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: So if you look at the rule book or handbook 235 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: of an employee at say any kind of manufacturing plant, 236 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: their job is probably on paper way more detailed and 237 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: structured than the actual job they harry out. Is just 238 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: a practical matter. Right. If they started to do their 239 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: job strictly by the book, the amount of time it 240 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: takes them to make a widget would slow down dramatically 241 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: is compared to win. They cut the corners that they 242 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: normally cut, and the company is like, yeah, cut those 243 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: corners because we want to get more widgets out the door. 244 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: So is that what they're doing during a slowdown is 245 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: they're technically following everything to the letter. That's what the 246 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: Grabster says. This is a Grabster joint. Joint, by the way, 247 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: that's right, the great Grabanowski. Yeah, the Grabsters suggests that 248 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: that is the case for a slowdown usually, although you 249 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: could also just do your job slower. But if you're 250 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: doing it by the book, when your boss comes on's 251 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: like what you better speed up? Hey, I'm making sure 252 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: that we're following all the safety precautions. Uh. And then 253 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: finally you can have a sit down. Well, there's a 254 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: couple more you can have a sit down strike. That is, um, 255 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: that may be the most aggressive. That's when you actually 256 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: to go to work and you don't work and you 257 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: don't leave right Like, you have people bring you food 258 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: and water, and you're like, I'm gonna sit on my 259 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: stool so no one else can sit on it and 260 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: do that job. You're still not your stool. A good point. Yeah, 261 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the most aggressive. I have hardest core 262 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: and then an arrow pointing out sit down strike here 263 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: on my notes right. Uh. And but it also doesn't 264 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: just um, it's not just the most aggressive. It actually 265 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: affords some additional protections to the the worker on strike, right, 266 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: so one nobody else can come in and do that 267 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: work because they're in the way, are on the stool, 268 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: um number two. It prevents them from violence in a 269 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: lot of ways, or it protects them from violence because 270 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: they're hanging around very expensive company machinery. It would be 271 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: pretty stupid to come at somebody like that with a 272 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: lead pipe because if they duck, you just broke the 273 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: company's machine. And if that sounds crazy, will we will 274 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: go in over the myriad examples of violence and strikes 275 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: and strike busters just disgusting. Yeah. So if you think, 276 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: what do you mean, no one would come after them violently, Yeah, 277 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: it happens. Listen, Pollyanna, just the wait wake up. Uh. 278 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: So it also keeps the person away from the elements, 279 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: like you're not out picketing in the rainy weather of Flint, Michigan, right, 280 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: You're just sitting there and in the nice plant. That's right. 281 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: There can be sympathy strikes. That's when you um. That's 282 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: when you either directly or just um, they decide to 283 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: call on your brothers and sisters and other unions maybe 284 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: in the same industry that feel your pain and they 285 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: know it's good for them ultimately as well, so they 286 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: will also go on strike to kind of help your cause, 287 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: right exactly. And um, some some company may call the 288 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: other company be like, dude, you're they're killing me over here. 289 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Give them those concessions please, or else I'm not going 290 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: to be able to make dues this month at the 291 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: billy An Airs Club. Buffy will kill me or um. 292 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: It might also be sympathy strikes in a Remember I said, 293 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: in the same plant, you might have an upholsters union, 294 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: an electricians union, a plumbers union, um at the same company. 295 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: Other non affiliated unions may go on strike as well, 296 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: and that will really put some pressure on that company 297 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: because they can be like, well, well, we'll catch up 298 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: with our backlog of um of upholstery work while these 299 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: guys are striking right. Nope, sorry, we're on strike. Two 300 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: The company or is just like, oh my god. Well, 301 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into the very infamous nineteen eighties 302 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: air traffic controller strike in great detail later. But one 303 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: of the big reasons, uh it didn't work out is 304 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: because they failed to get anyone else on board, like 305 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: the pilots and the flight attendants and baggage chandelers. None 306 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: of them, uh jumped on board with a sympathy strike, 307 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: which did not help the air traffic controller. Then you've 308 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: got a general strike, which is not usually directed at 309 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: a company itself. UM, It's more directed at like a 310 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: government because that means basically everybody who works in a 311 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: country goes on strike, like we want minimum wage rays 312 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: for everybody. And that's one reason why it seems like 313 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: France is always striking. It's because when they go on strike, 314 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: they go on strike. They typically have general strikes. When 315 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: they do, I don't want to say typically, but they 316 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: do undertake general strikes, which is basically unheard of here 317 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: in the United States. UM, and it makes big news 318 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: when it happens for UM. So there's just some time 319 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: that types of strikes. Yeah, should we take a break, 320 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Let's all right, but we're coming back. We're not going 321 00:18:45,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: on strike. Don't worry, so chuck. UM. We talked about 322 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: different kinds of strikes. Right. One of the things that 323 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: you think of when you, uh, when you go on strike, 324 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: or when you think of strike is people picketing, like 325 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: you'll very frequently see UM people around Atlanta especially. It 326 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: seems like a lot of construction companies have aggrieved employees. Yeah, um, 327 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: and so the people just be like marching out in 328 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: front of the uh the like a building that's going up, 329 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: headquarters maybe, or a construction site, and they'll say like, 330 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: shame on whoever for employing non union workers or whatever. 331 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Because that's a big, big part of the UM the 332 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: ability to go on strike is you need to have 333 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: a solid union, right and one way, especially early on 334 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: back in the seventeen or no eighteenth and early nineteenth 335 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: century we're talking about in New England. UM, there was 336 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: this idea that if you were not a part of 337 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the union, the union members would be like, I'm not 338 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: working if that person is working here, like you have 339 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: to fire that person. So if you didn't join a union, 340 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: you had a hard time finding jobs. And so if 341 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: you're a union, one of your big tactics is you 342 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: need to make sure your membership is almost complete across 343 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: the company or else you're not going to be able 344 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: to put real pressure on that company if half the 345 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: workers can still show up to work because they're not 346 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: union members, so they are not going on strike. Good point. 347 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Picketing is one of the main reasons you picket is 348 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: to draw. Like we mentioned earlier, get the public on 349 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: your side. It's a big part of it. And and 350 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: also to embarrass the company. Yeah, and this probably says 351 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: a lot about who I am. But whenever I see that, 352 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: I always think in my head, well, there's some employees 353 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: that are clearly getting screwed by the man. What do 354 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: they have to say? Which is exactly what they want? 355 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: That's why they're out there with the picket signs or 356 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: sometimes they're chanting something or singing a song. Uh, and 357 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: what they do they sing songs like you know, songs 358 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: about the picket they're not they're singing Stairway to Heaven 359 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: or like the Freddy Krueger nursery rhyme? What's that one? Yeah, 360 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: they should do that picket line. Ever, when two strikers 361 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: coming for you, uh, if you cross the picket line, 362 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: you literally have to. That's why they stand out in 363 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: front of the factory or the HQ. You have to 364 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: walk through them and literally crossed the picket line. To 365 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: be what's known as a scab. And you can be 366 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: a you can be part of that union and decided 367 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: to go back to work, or you can be just 368 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: an outside person who says I actually need work. And 369 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm not in your union. I'm so, I'm just gonna 370 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't know you guys, sorry, ladies, pardon me. I'm 371 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: a scab. Or you might be a professional from another 372 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: part of the country that the owner basically has shipped 373 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: in to replace you, which we'll get into all the 374 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: legalities of that later. But crossing a picket line is 375 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: not a shining moment for anybody who's doing it. No, um, 376 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: And where does the word scab come from? My friend? 377 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: Apparently it has to do with, um, how people used 378 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: to shun people with infectious diseases. The The sentiment was 379 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: that if you crossed the picket line, you would be 380 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: treated in the exact same way as if you had 381 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: the plague. Everybody's gonna keep you over there, no one's 382 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk to You're not gonna be able to find 383 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: a job, You're going to be cast out of society. 384 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: You're you're yes, so you're it was shortened to scab, 385 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: Which is I mean like that that amount of pressure 386 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: is tremendous. Yeah, And um, picketing doesn't always mean you're 387 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: on strike. A lot of times it's another warning shot. 388 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: It's called informational picketing. When you sort of threatened and say, hey, 389 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: you know we're out here picketing. You know, this does 390 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: not look for you know, And that's that's the key thing. 391 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: Like if you go on strike, you want the public 392 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: to know you're on strike, because the public is like, 393 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: why you're on strike? What's the problem? I want to 394 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: know about that? UM. And it's gotten some some groups 395 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: have gotten a lot better at UM at manipulating the media, 396 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: using social media to get the message across, like the 397 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Fight for fifteen where they they're trying to raise the 398 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: minimum wage fifteen dollars. They've been putting a tremendous amount 399 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: of pressure on McDonald's. They've got a study released that 400 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: found that UM like just a ridiculous percentage of fast 401 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: food workers, especially at McDonald's but in other other at 402 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: other fast food restaurants in the US, two are reliant 403 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: on UM welfare on public assistance, and that the way 404 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: the study framed it and the way that the news 405 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: reports framed it was that McDonald's was basically using your 406 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: text payer dollars to supplement the meager income they were 407 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: paying these people, rather than actually pay their employees a 408 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: living wage. They were just being like you handle it taxpayers, 409 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: We're not going to pay them that much. And it 410 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: worked big time, like it made all the news cycles. 411 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: That really changed a lot of people's perspectives. And it 412 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: went hand in hand with a strike in general strike, 413 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: well not a general strike, but a strike that was 414 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: um carried out I think in April of last year 415 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: across the world, and it really put a lot of 416 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: pressure on McDonald's. Didn't do anything, but it's still put 417 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on McDonald's and and I think 418 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: ultimately probably will lead to uh a change in the 419 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: minimum voyage. Yeah, that's all. That's a tricky subject. Have 420 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: we talked about that. No, we should do one on 421 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: that because I'm a champion of the people. I think 422 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: people should make a living wage too. But you know, 423 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: my wife as a small business owner, and it would 424 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: put her out of business. So like when you hear McDonald's, 425 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: you think huge corporation, they can afford it. But what 426 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: about when you're a small business has eight employees and 427 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: your your cost of what do you call it cost 428 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: of business? Not like cost of business, but your wages 429 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: go up. No, it's a very tough thing to say. 430 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: Across the board, everyone has to do this. But so 431 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: like with Obamacare, and if anybody knows what some solutions 432 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: are to that, we'd love to hear it because this 433 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: this fascinates me as well, and it it feels very important. 434 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Um but it seems like with Obamacare, Uh, there was 435 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: a concession made where employers with X number of employees 436 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: are less weren't mandated to provide healthcare to their employees. Yea, 437 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: so maybe it would be like that revenue is less 438 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: than a certain threshold or whatever. Then small business can 439 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: be a lot of things like you should. There's no 440 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: reason that um, mama and McDonald's should be in the 441 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: same basket of considerations for just about anything that has 442 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: to do with wages or taxes or anything like that, 443 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: you know. And it's just so disingenuous to be like, well, 444 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: you know what about small business. It's like, well, let 445 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: the small businesses speak. You can't point to these guys 446 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: like that doesn't matter to you, international conglomerate. Yeah. Plus 447 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: McDonald's that just raised the price on everything on their 448 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: menu by one penny and it probably covers it. I 449 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: think I've heard a stat like that. I don't think 450 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: it's just a penny, but it's something very meager like that, 451 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: but good one. But as we'll learn as well, it 452 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: really is. As we'll learn though UM in this this episode. 453 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: The history of strikes and of UM labor laws and 454 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: the treatment of employees and UM the government like backing 455 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: employers has has been a history of like huge, massive 456 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: radical acts and then like that changed everything, and then 457 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: that that that side one and then the other side 458 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: like bides its time and then bam they strike or 459 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: they carry out some crazy action and like it changes everything. 460 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: The history has been like kind of seesawed like that. Yeah, 461 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: and it's pretty fascinating. Maybe that provides balance in some way, 462 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: you know overall. I guess, uh, should we talk about 463 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: sports strikes? Yeah? Uh. They often are get way more 464 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: attention than other kinds of strikes because there's so much 465 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: money and people in the United States love their sports 466 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: value sports over say electricians, you know, of course they do. Uh. 467 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: The NFL, the Football League, UM, went on strike over 468 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: free agency, which if you don't know anything about football, 469 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: that means after your your first contract is up, that 470 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: means you are a free agent and you can say 471 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: I want to go sign with any other team in 472 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, I don't understand that. What what were 473 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: the like that makes total sense? Like, how would that 474 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: even be a term? Well? Free agency? What are what 475 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: were the teams wanting the owners? They wanted if you 476 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: for you to have the rights to control that player 477 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: for as long as you wanted that player. Oh god, Um, 478 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: all the sports leagues are so different and how they 479 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: handle things too, it's really interesting. Um, and I know 480 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: not many. We don't have a ton of sports fans 481 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: because historically our sports UH done poorly. But we'll go 482 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: over this real quick. They struck in strike in uh 483 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: in the middle of a seat and not in the middle, 484 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: but at the beginning of the players walked. After two 485 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: games into the eight seven season and uh for three games, 486 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: the NFL said, you know what, We're gonna bring in 487 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: scab replacement players. Yeah, and it was a disaster with 488 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: the cigarettes. Yeah. I mean people some college players, some 489 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: players and other like the Canadian League. Uh, some dudes 490 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: that were just like, hey, I used to play football, 491 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: Like we're literally out there out of shape. I mean 492 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: some ESPN is a great article that season, how like 493 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks run the huddle of being like 494 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: we just want to be in the huddle as long 495 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: as possible that nobody can catch their breath because there 496 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, this guy was a fat corporate cat that 497 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: he wanted to be an offensive lineman scab Blair because 498 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: he played in college. So it was a disaster. UM. 499 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: They paid him about four grand a game, and um 500 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: the quality play was terrible, as you would expect. UH. 501 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: Some high profile profile players ended up crossing UH and 502 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: being scabs, like Joe Montana, Tony Dorsett, Lawrence Taylor, Steve 503 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: Largent and it was a big deal. Um And eventually 504 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: they returned to work uh and without any resolution, which 505 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: happens a lot of times. Thanks to Joe Montana baseball 506 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: and nineteen they've gone on strike a lot. UM. In 507 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: nine four though, the MLB Players Association said they said, 508 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: we don't want a salary cap on our team, which 509 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: if you don't know what that means, that means a 510 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: team can only spend so much money on its players. 511 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Players hate that because they want as much money as possible. 512 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Owners love it because they're like, oh, what am I 513 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: gonna do with all this extra money? Exactly? UH And 514 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: in UH in August, sort of late in the season, 515 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: they actually canceled the rest of the season in the 516 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: World Series. Yeah stunk because the Braves were that was 517 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of their big run and they oh, yeah, 518 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: that's right, you know, like we lost an opportunity to 519 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: lose another World Series. We won that one though, right, 520 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: yeah one. So Um. Apparently this contract dispute was still 521 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: going on into spring training, and some players went and 522 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: reported to spring training despite the strikes still going on. UM, 523 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: and those players were banned for life for the Players Union, 524 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: I don't think for life, which means that even after retirement, 525 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: they weren't eligible for any royalties that you get from 526 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: like your number being licensed or being on like um 527 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: MLB or what retirement edition. Yeah. Um, but I mean 528 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: you can, you know, make some checks depending on how 529 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: great a player you were and how big your legend 530 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: was for many years after you retire. But if you 531 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: cross the picket lines and went to spring training, Nope, 532 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: you're out. I don't think I knew that Hockey National 533 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: Hockey League historically has only had one official strike, but 534 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: they have been locked out, which we'll get to lockouts shortly, 535 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: but they've been locked out a couple of times, and um, 536 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: the entire uh two thousand four season was canceled the 537 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: whole thing, and UM hockey in Major League Baseball had 538 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: a much more difficult time recovering from there canceled season 539 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: and canceled worst World Series than the NFL. Uh from 540 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: their scab issue. I got a scab issue. And in 541 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve the referees NFL referees were locked out. 542 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: Remember that they had replacement referees that were just terrible. 543 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, they were. They actually I think 544 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: must have won that concession for the regular referees because 545 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: it was that that got so much bad press. Everybody 546 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: was so mad, they were making so many bad calls. 547 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that, like high school referees out 548 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: there from NFL games. Yeah. Uh, should we take a break, 549 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: I think so. Man, All right, we'll talk about strike 550 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: busting and more right after this. No, so checkers. Um, 551 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: if you were an employer and your employees go on strike, 552 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: you don't just go, oh, fiddle sticks. I guess I'll 553 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: give them what they want. There are um plenty of 554 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: other things you can do, some legal, some sub legal, 555 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: and some in between. Right, Um. And one of the 556 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: first things that employers did when they were faced with 557 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: strikes early on was higher armed mercenaries to basically beat 558 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: up and threatened and harass the striking workers. Yeah, notably 559 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: the Pinkerton Detective Agency. They did a lot of detective work, 560 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: but they were also notable for being strike breakers. And 561 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: some of the things they do are legit, like uh, 562 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: guarding scabs as they go to work so they're not harassed, 563 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: or protecting the building itself. So it's not you know, 564 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: they're not throwing bricks through the windows, but there's also 565 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're getting beaten up sometimes and intimidated. Well, 566 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: not just that, they also may serve as agent provocateurs. 567 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: Apparently the Haymarket riot of Costead in Chicago, it was 568 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: set off by a bomb, and they think that Pinkerton 569 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: detective undercover set that bomb off to like stir this 570 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: protest into an angry, violent mob. So they didn't do 571 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: anything for money. Yeah, and apparently I was reading that 572 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: um Pinkerton was hired to investigate the Occupy Wall Street 573 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: protesters in Zuccati Park. Still at it, Yeah, and so 574 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: Pinkerton for they deserve their own podcast episode for sure. 575 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: But very early on they were hired as basically armed thugs. 576 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Like you said, they did do protective services, but they 577 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: also did a lot of violent and illegal stuff as 578 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: well on the behalf of these factory owners. And there 579 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: was one in particular where the um the factory owners. 580 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: It was Andrew Carnegie actually in Homestead, Pennsylvania. There's a 581 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: steel mill there, and at the steel mill and I 582 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: think four the workers went on strike. So Carnegie brought 583 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: in some Hungarian and Slava steel workers to replace them, 584 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: and in Hungarian and Slavic steel workers want on strike themselves, 585 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: and more workers were brought into replace them. And both 586 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: times Pinkerton detectives were there to escort the scabs across 587 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: the picket line, even when those scabs they escorted turned 588 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: into the striking workers themselves. But it's kind of like 589 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, uh, maybe the 590 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: couple second time, it might be you right now with 591 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: the scabs you brought in go on strike. Two, maybe 592 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: we should pay them a little more. That's not what happened. 593 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: There was like a basically what's called the Battle of Homestead, 594 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: and it was a battle between the Pinkerton detectives and 595 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: these striking workers. And in this case, actually the Pinkerton's 596 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: suffered massive losses and casualties. They were beaten by the 597 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: town's folk in Homestead UM. Three of them died, and 598 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: it actually turned public opinion against the strikers in this case. 599 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: But it also taught Pinkerton that, like, it's probably not 600 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: good business to like send our boys off to die UM. 601 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 1: So they actually stopped providing strike breaking services over time, 602 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: and it it morphed and evolved into more um set 603 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: arranging for spies to attend union meetings and things like that. 604 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: They're still strike busting going on, it's just not as 605 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: overt and physically violent, a little more surreptitious and sneaky. 606 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: And then remember we said wake up Pollyanna earlier. That's 607 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: a good example of it. Another good example is um 608 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: the Great strike of eighteen seventy seven, which started in Martinsburg, 609 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: West Virginia, and actually spread very quickly to towns like 610 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: Baltimore and St. Louis, and it made its way to 611 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh, which was another which was so the Homestead 612 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: one was just a few years earlier. In eighteen seventy seven, 613 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: there was another strike and a bunch of townspeople were 614 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: out supporting the strikers and the UM. I think the 615 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: State National Guard came in and opened fire on the 616 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: supporters of the strikers and killed twenty people, including a 617 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: woman in three small children. So, like, strikes have gotten 618 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: very bloody, especially early on, and the fact that people 619 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: were dying over these labor disputes really kind of shaped 620 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: public sentiment towards violence during strikes, and um it helps 621 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: straighten things up a lot more, I think over time agreed. UM. Well, 622 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: I know we covered it in the Union's podcast, but 623 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about the Wagner Act 624 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: and Taft Hartley because they play very heavily into strikes. 625 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: The Wagner Act a k a. The National Labor Relations 626 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: Act is it was what officially said you have a right, 627 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: among other things, you have a right to strike, you 628 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: can form unions, you can go on strike. And it's 629 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: specifically he says you have a right to strike. Yeah, 630 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: you are legally allowed to do so if you you know, 631 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: And they didn't specify like what kind of votes like 632 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: it was that was all up to the union, right, 633 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: but it said you are allowed to settle labor disputes 634 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: by striking. That's right explicitly that is right. And then 635 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court came along and said, no, let's let's 636 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: weaken that a little bit. Yeah. N Supreme Court said, um, 637 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: you know what, you can't fire people for joining union 638 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: or going and strike, But what you can do is 639 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: permanently replaced them with another worker. Uh. And if you 640 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: want to know the difference, there isn't much. Technically, if 641 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: you are a replaced permanently replaced, you can go back 642 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: to that job. If the person who replaced you quits 643 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: or retires, are aspired, and that position becomes available again, 644 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: you have the right to go back to that position. Yeah, 645 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: and get your job. That could be twenty years from 646 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: now or never. Ye, like Framer with the bagel strike, remember, yeah, 647 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: and so it is legal to permanently replace somebody. And 648 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: and when it comes down to a strike, this um 649 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: weapon in the employer's arsenal is as good as being 650 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: able to fire striking workers in a lot of cases. Yeah. Absolutely, 651 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: So that was a big one. And a lot of people, 652 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: especially pro labor people, um point to this and say 653 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: what the heck Supreme Court like their Congress explicitly passed 654 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: an act that says, well, vertally, you have a right 655 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: to strike. There's nowhere in American law that says employers 656 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: have a right to replace their striking workers, and yet 657 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has aired on the side of employers rights. Well, 658 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: I think what the Supreme Court said was, sure, you 659 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: can go on strike, but we we're not gonna say 660 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: you can go on strike with no repercussions. Um taft. 661 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: Hartley Amendment came around in n and did a few things. 662 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: That a stab what's the National Labor Review Board, which 663 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: is a body that hears grievances on strikes and unions, Uh, 664 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: supposedly impartial to that. Yeah. After that, all of the like, um, 665 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: all the lawsuits are cases that have to do with strikes, 666 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: are all somebody versus the nlr B. Oh yeah, good point. Uh. 667 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: And the other thing it did was, um it did 668 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: weekend unions somewhat by saying you can't have a secondary boycott, 669 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: which is when you strike against another related business uh 670 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: in that industry. Uh that's original like that's targeted by 671 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: the original strike. Uh. You can't have a closed shop, 672 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: which is where you have to join a union as 673 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: terms of your employment immediately. Yeah, like right away. But 674 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: they did allow for what's known as a union shop, 675 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: which means you have to join a union within the 676 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: first within a time period thirty days of higher although 677 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: most states now have taken into their own hands in 678 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: some cases not most, but to uh to be a 679 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: right to work state, which Georgia is, which means the 680 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: union shop is irrelevant, right. I wonder how many right 681 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: to work states there are? Actually, I meant to look 682 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: that up. I don't know Georgia. It's so that's such 683 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: a um. It's such a cynical way to put it. 684 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: A right to work, like it's the workers right to 685 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: not join a union. Like that's not a pro um 686 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: employer law, you know. Um, so chuck. Another another tool 687 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: in the employers um toolbox. I guess yeah, that that 688 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: makes sense is the lockout, and it's apparently being used 689 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: more and more these days. Um. The lockout is like 690 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: the reverse strike. It's where the employer says you can't 691 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: come to work, even if you want to, even if 692 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: you want to stop striking. And there's rules and regulations 693 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: surrounding lockouts as well. Um. The Supreme Court or Taft Hartley, 694 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: one of the two, said uh uh, you can as 695 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: an employer lock your employees out once a contract is expired, 696 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: so you can't do it during the contract. But if 697 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: you're an employer and you're saying, I really really really 698 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: want to shove my terms down your throat, you have 699 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: to accept them, and the union saying no, we're not 700 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: going to accept that, you can sit there and negotiate 701 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: and negotiate and negotiate, and then once that contract expires 702 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: during negotiations, you can say you're locked out, you can't 703 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: come to work. And the Supreme Court also ruled that 704 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: you are, as an employer, allowed to temporarily replace those 705 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: workers that you've locked out. Right, so l very much so, right, 706 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: So you're allowed to replace them and continue on with 707 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: your business as usual. And then if you're you remember 708 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: you're faced with three options. One you can go find 709 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: work at another company. Two, you can accept the terms, 710 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: and then three what's becoming an increasing tactic is you 711 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: can vote to dissolve the union. Right that, even when 712 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: you come back and say, okay, well accept your terrible contract, 713 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: the employer can go you know what, I changed my mind. 714 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: I actually don't want this union in my company any longer. 715 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what. If you guys vote to 716 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: dissolve your union. UM, then we will UH will go 717 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: with this contract and the lockout will be over. That 718 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: happened very famously in Minnesota in August of two thousand eleven, 719 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: the American Crystal Sugar Company found that they their employers, 720 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, employees found that they were locked out, and 721 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: UH it went on. It's one of the longest labor disruptions, 722 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,760 Speaker 1: like major labor disruptions we've had, went on for twenty 723 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: two months. DRED employees were locked out. By the time 724 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: it was all over, only four hundred of those original 725 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: hundred came back those almost two years later, and it 726 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: took UH. Basically Crystal Sugar kept saying this is our 727 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: only offer, this is our only offer, every time they 728 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: went back to negotiate, this is our final offer. So 729 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: it took five votes over the course of almost two 730 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: years UM until they eventually relented and UM accepted that 731 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: same offer like they never changed the offer. UH. And 732 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: supposedly there was the CEO Dave Berg was caught on 733 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: audio tape at a shareholder conference saying basically admitting that 734 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: they were trying to bust the union and comparing the 735 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: union to a tumor that had to be removed. Yeah, 736 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: he said, we have to treat the disease, and that's 737 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: what we're doing here. And then in three months into 738 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: the lockout, he told shareholders, we mapped this out a 739 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: long time ago at some point that tumors got to 740 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: come out, and that's what we're doing. And it worked. Yeah, 741 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: it did, so then we should probably we should end 742 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: with the Reagan Air Traffic Controller strike. Man, I remember 743 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: this so in that air traffic controllers went on strike 744 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: because they felt that the f a A didn't value 745 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: their work enough, that their work week was too long, 746 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: that their pay was too low, and that they're working 747 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: conditions led to unsafe conditions for travelers, all legit stuff. 748 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: When all of them um thousand of the seventeen thousand, 749 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 1: five hundred and at the time they were the Professional 750 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: Air Traffic Controllers Organization pat CO. So um. We talked 751 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: earlier about how a good labor union leadership will say, 752 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: even though you guys want to go on strike, this 753 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: is a terrible time to do it. Well. Pat CO 754 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: did not do that. They went on strike at a 755 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: time when the economy was not doing that well, when 756 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,760 Speaker 1: Reagan had about a percent approval he'd just been shot 757 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: and recovered, so it came back like a total hero 758 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: and um, he was riding high and felt pretty emboldened. Actually. 759 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 1: And the reason why the union went on strike anyway 760 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: was because they had supported Reagan. He had gotten their 761 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: support through negotiations and they didn't view him as somebody 762 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: who was an enemy. They've mishandled and misjudged this in many, many, 763 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: many ways. But supposedly there's a n law that says, 764 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: if you're a government agency, your your union can't go 765 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: on strike. The thing was in practicality and actuality. There 766 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: had been something like twenty two strikes over the last 767 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: few decades of government um unions, and it was just 768 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of like an unsaid thing. Well, Reagan said, no, 769 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: this is illegal, and you guys are you're If you 770 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: don't return to work in forty eight hours, you're all fired. Um, 771 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to arrest your union leaders for carrying out 772 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: an illegal uh strike. Yeah, I'm gonna arrest some of 773 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: the controllers themselves. Right, I'm gonna freeze the assets of 774 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: the union, and then I'm gonna get the union de certified. 775 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: And he did all these things. Yeah, I'm gonna put 776 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: the FBI is getting involved. If you're a striker, you're 777 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: gonna be on their list. Uh. And this was this 778 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: all came down to two money. Really it was UM 779 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: what they were after would have increased. UH had a 780 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: price tech of about seven seventy million. UH. The f 781 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 1: A A countered with a forty million dollar counter offer, 782 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of a pay hike, UM, a shorter 783 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: work week, and pat Co said, now so when they 784 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: went on strike, UM, six thousand flights UH were immediately canceled. 785 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: And I think they just underestimated how hardcore UH the 786 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: f A and Reagan we're gonna be coming back at 787 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: them because they had a fan Immediately they said, you 788 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna have fift these flights back and 789 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: running very soon because your supervisors are gonna go to work. 790 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna rush through matriculation and training school and military 791 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: air traffic control and then bring in these military folks 792 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: to come in and uh, we don't need you. And 793 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: I think within a few weeks UM, they had nearly 794 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: of the scheduled flights going, like prioritizing the the most 795 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: like trafficked routes and what they considered high priority routes, 796 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: which is a terrible irony because that is almost exactly 797 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: what the air traffic controllers were looking for, was stretched 798 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: out work is rather that they felt was safer, and 799 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: that's what that's what Reagan got it to with the replacements. Well, yeah, 800 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: and it ended up costing them, I think, twice as 801 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: much money as it would have cost them if they 802 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,479 Speaker 1: had just agreed to those terms. A lot of people 803 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: point to that the fact that they they the f 804 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: A ended up changing to what the strikers wanted and 805 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: spending twice as much as what they would have just 806 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,720 Speaker 1: conceding to it as Reagan changing, um, the the flow 807 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: between employer and employees, and he did dramatically after that. 808 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: It became much more difficult to strike. And I think 809 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 1: it's it's struck fear into the hearts of workers throughout 810 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: the country, Like, oh man, the president himself feels this 811 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: way about striking like that, clearly he's gonna back up 812 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: the employers in any kind of strike. And it changed 813 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: things for sure. Yeah. And I mean not only did 814 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: he say you're all fired, he said none of you 815 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: can ever work for the government again. Um. And then 816 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton came along and reversed that and said, you 817 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: guys can get a job again if you want. He said, 818 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: well half of us are dead. Yeah. Well that was 819 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,439 Speaker 1: twelve years later when that happened, so that's a good point. 820 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: But eventually they the newly hired air traffic controllers, formed 821 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: a new union, uh NATKA National Air Traffic Controllers Association, 822 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: and um, I think Robert Poley from pat CO said, 823 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately, I think we sort of won because 824 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,240 Speaker 1: it ended up costing them more and we got the changes. 825 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: But they all there were no winners really because they 826 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,959 Speaker 1: lost because all those people got fired Capital one. Yeah, 827 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: and that was a big one. At the time. We 828 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: talked about getting the public sympathy, they did not have 829 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: it because air traffic controllers made more than the average person. Uh. 830 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: And like you said, it was a bad time for 831 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: the economy and people's flights were getting canceled and they 832 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't have what do we call the the sympathy strikers, 833 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: so that they were they I don't think they thought 834 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: thought it through and they were very much surprised by 835 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: Reagan for sure. You're like, he said, what, We're all 836 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: fired in two days? So, uh, that's strikes. There's a 837 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 1: lot more too. There's a crazy history that we haven't 838 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 1: even touched on. Um, there's just so much stuff that 839 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: that's happened as far as strikes go. Um, you should 840 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 1: definitely if this flick your boat at all, you should 841 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: go look up the Flint, Michigan sit in strike of 842 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: I think nine eight. Yeah, it was pretty amazing what happened. Yeah, 843 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: and we we might should do a an entire show 844 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: in the Homestead strike in battle. Yes, that was a 845 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: big deal. Yes it is us. Yeah, I think it's 846 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,280 Speaker 1: full enough for a show. Okay, Well, in the meantime, 847 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about strikes, you can 848 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: type that word in the search bar at how stuff 849 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: works dot com. And I said search bar. So it's 850 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 1: time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this Navy lieutenant 851 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: reporting for duty. Hey guys, I'm a lieutenant in the 852 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: Navy and I've been listening to your show for a 853 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: few years, started listening a while with station in Japan 854 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: and have not stopped. You asked about ship name prefixes, UH, 855 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 1: specifically U S S, which indeed is United States ship. 856 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: It should be noted that this specifically refers to warships 857 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: of the U. S Navy and that. Prefixes for other 858 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: ships of the US government are legion. For instance, US 859 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: C g C United States Coastcard Cutter, U S N 860 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: S United States Naval Ship, non warship, U S A 861 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: S United States Armyship, U S A V United States 862 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: Army Vessel, and many more. Boutique prefixes that are limited 863 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: UH they're of limited use are no longer in use. UH. 864 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,240 Speaker 1: Most navies around the world have their own prefix because, 865 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: like you said, h MS currently is Her Majesty's ship 866 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,720 Speaker 1: or her Majesty's submarine. But when the monarch reigning monarch 867 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: is a man, the king would be His Majesty's ship. 868 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: Sense and how about these Josh h M C S 869 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: IS or Her Majesty's Canadian Ship or h M a 870 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: S Australian ship or h M n z S His 871 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: Majesty's New Zealand ship. UH. Civilian ships vessels can have 872 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: prefixes as well, according to their construction and propulsion, such 873 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: as S S I never knew that like S S 874 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: MINO sailing ship, wow or steamship or screw steamer. Yeah, 875 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,400 Speaker 1: which is the dirtiest of all ships. UH M V 876 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: or M slash V for motor vessel. And then my 877 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,879 Speaker 1: personal favorite that is Chris speaking n S for nuclear ship. 878 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: The number of them is staggering, guys, very respectfully, Chris, 879 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: lieutenant in the U. S. Navy. Well, holy Chris, thanks 880 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot for that. UM and uh. 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