WEBVTT - Rob Shuter from The Royal Wedding 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.840 Hi, It's Mattie from Access Podcast, the podcast about podcast Z. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.680 My voice is a little kind. Yeah, yeah, I'm going 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:16.360 through the change. When it's time to change. You got 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.400 to You don't know that Brady Bunch. Gosh, I'm so old. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.480 Well I'll tell you somebody who who would get my jokes. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.279 It's it's Rob Shooter. We luckily when we did the interview, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.440 I had a voice. Um. If you don't know who 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.440 Rob is, he is a gossip guy from Naughty Gossip. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.839 He does the Wendy Williams Show all the Time, that 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.360 Today's Show, Good Day New York, the Elvis Durant Show. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.639 He's the guy with the awesome English accent. Anyway, he's 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.279 coming up next on the show, but it's check him 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.600 out right now. From his new podcast, The Royal Wedding, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.440 Megan muchles half brother insists that his children should not 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.520 should not be invited to the Royal wedding because they 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.760 have not seen her since they were children. So the 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.080 brothers coming forward here, the half brother and really saying it, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.000 although everybody wants to go to this wedding, goodness en 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.520 as we do. I do that her family, her distance family, 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.920 I guess should not be invite, So rather before we 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.520 start talking about the wedding, I'm I'm interested to talk 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:17.160 about you and you and you know you've devoted most 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.479 of your life to celebrity and talking about celebrities and 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.920 and I just wonder what was the first, you know, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.559 like piece of celebrity gossip that you remember seeing and going, God, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.920 this is really hard. It's even deeper than that. I 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.960 can remember being in the playground when I was six 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.800 or seven and Craig Smith was caught kissing this girl 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.760 behind the bike shared and I told everybody at school, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.880 and I was the most popular person in the whole class. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.840 I learned, I really learned at an early age to 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.200 be nosy. I'm just nosy person, and I love people 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.840 telling this stuff. And I don't know why they do, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.640 because it's painfully obvious. I'm going to tell everybody else. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:00.120 But I experienced gossip at a really early age. And 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.360 I think sometimes people think with the word gossip they 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.040 think of bad things or or it's a little bit 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.760 sleazy or a little bit naughty. I don't know. In 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:13.720 my family, around the table, gossip and chalk and chatter 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.640 and laughs about family members and friends was what we did. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.519 So I grew up in a household where to gossip 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.480 was sort of a positive thing. It meant, it meant 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.440 we cared about each other, It meant that we wanted 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.920 to know what everybody was up to. It wasn't a 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.680 bad thing. It's it's sort of like a different angle, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.520 a different way of looking at gossip. I grew up 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.440 in a world where chatting about people it didn't have 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.400 to be me, and like gossip doesn't always have to 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.360 be be me, And so I grew up in a 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.640 world where we're gossiping and talking was sort of a 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.079 good thing to do, you know. And I think that's 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.960 one of the reasons I think people do trust you 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:50.840 is that, you know, you came from a world of 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.519 being a publicist where you're putting out, you know, kind 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.639 of what people you want people to think about somebody 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.880 to gossip to. It's it's it's like you said it 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.079 as this connotation, but the way you do what you 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.960 do this naughty but nice kind of It's I like 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.360 to say that my website, Naughty gossip dot Com is 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.600 a pinch. It's not a punch. It's really easy when 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.560 I think about it, when I go out for dinner 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.440 with my friends. My really mean friends are so interesting 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.040 and so fascinating, and I sit there gasping at all 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.079 the mean things they say. But when I get home, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.880 I need to have a shower. Now. My nice friends 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.960 are awfully nice, but they're a little bit dull, and 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.799 so if I can be in the middle, if I 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.839 could be naughty but life, then I think I've sort 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.560 of hit my sweet spot. And by nature and an optimist, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.120 I like people, I like celebrities. I'm not a mean girl. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.720 I'm not I'm not sitting there thinking of mean things 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.080 to say. I think it's just as interesting, if not 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.840 more so, if you've got engaged, or you fell in love, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.360 or you met somebody really cute. That to me is 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.800 just as interesting as a breakup or a divorce or 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.240 something a little bit more more tragic. But you're right. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.120 For years and earth, I worked with Jennifer Lopez, Jessica Simpson, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.000 Alicia Keys bon Jovi, But the one that I learned 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.200 the most from was PDD. Puffy was a client of 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.360 mine for many, many years, and I say this is love. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.600 I worked for Puffy, he paid me. I don't really 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.760 know what he does like he's deelish, but I don't really. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.360 I think he sells t shirts. I sort of think 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.320 he has a vodka. But what he does do better 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.640 than anybody else is he makes the world more interesting 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.800 and more exciting. And he's he's our generations Barnum Like 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.800 he just puts on a show. He's a he's a 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.200 ring master. He's in the middle of the circus in 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.240 a red coat, waving his arms and even changing his name, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.360 his name Sean. You know, I called him Sean, and 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.400 so I learned from him how to have fun and 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.520 tell tales and have an exciting sort of life. And 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.800 so I really thank Puffy from that, and that's how 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.800 I really got into the business of being a celebrity 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.560 gossip columnist. I do think it's people's nature to be 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.520 to enjoy self righteous indignation, you know, where we love 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.240 to be like, oh, I'm so indignant, and the Internet 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.520 has just made it more so, it has it has. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.839 But I think I'm a big believer in gentle hate like. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.279 I don't like that. I like gentle hate like and 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.160 it always makes me laugh, Like this morning, before talking 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.080 to you, I just did the Wendy william Show, and 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.280 I work up with this huge sort of cold stare 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.640 on the side of my map, this massive thing to say. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.440 And but the show had to go on, and the 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.880 people in the makeup room had gentle hate and it 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.359 made me laugh, like I can laugh at my own 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:43.200 flaws and imperfections. I think too. Everybody asked me where 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.039 do I get gossip? Where do I find it? And 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.720 to be honest, my best sources are reporters at The 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.800 New York Times, are at ABC or at my Heart radio, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.960 or I'm just allowed to print stuff that you might 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.840 only say or my only whisper. And so I think 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.560 it as journalism. I know that's going to annoy people 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.760 and sound nothing but the same effort that goes into 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.800 reporting a story at ABC or NBC. I make that 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.840 effort with celebrities. I call sources, I call restaurants, I 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.719 have backup um and I got over there being in 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.520 the celebrity world for as long as I was as 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.160 a publicist, I had access to stuff that celebrity columnists 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.520 never gets, like. I've been backstage at the Oscars and 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.279 the Golden Globes. I've been there when j Loo's shoes 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.840 didn't fit. I've been there at photo shoots for the 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.240 cover of Vogue and Vanity Fair, and so I was 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.040 lucky to have access for all those years to these 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.520 amazing places, and that's really paid off now with the 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:44.880 with the quality in the tyber gossip I get. You know, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:51.000 my very first producing job was for g Gordon Liddy, Like, oh, well, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.159 that's the thing. I have a couple of things that 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.680 I really know I can't say, and so he's dead. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.680 He's dead. I'm going to let him out. I mean, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.680 I know some deep ship on this. Do you think 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.240 the culture has changed a little bit? Maybe the Housewives 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.760 or the Kardashians have done this. I feel bad now 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.480 for the old school celebrities like the Julia Roberts and 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.960 the Cameron Diaces, who we just don't really care about 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.840 it anymore. Like I want the Real Housewives, I want 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.320 nine leak snatching a wig. I want the Kardashians, you know, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.800 causing mischief. I think the world has really changed with 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.200 sort of like reality shows and celebrity shows, and the 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.240 old days of these really sort of like a list 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.520 celebrities have sort of gone like I would rather, gosh, 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.400 this sounds terrible. I get more hits on a sort 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.960 of interesting story about a Kardashian than I would on 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.120 a great story about George Clooney. People want to know 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.400 about these reality stars amazing. I guess the point too, 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.880 I was going to ask you, was, I mean, do 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.679 you still have those stories that you know you can't 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.280 tell or is it to the point where everybody just 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.040 knows everything's gonna get told, so there's no point keeping 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.000 it in. Well, it's interesting as as a as a 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.320 publicist when when something terrible and to a client, whether 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:06.240 it be involved in in illegal drugs or sex or stuff, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.280 they that would that would get out. It's going to 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.520 get out. So as a publicist, I would give it 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.400 with my client's permission to a friendly outlet. I'd rather 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.119 appear in a place where that that that would frame 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.520 it in a way that would be kind and gentle. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.080 Then it breaks in as a real hard news story. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.480 So often people call me with stuff that it's going 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.760 to get out. So rather do it on laudy Gossip 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.160 than on some other site that's not going to handle 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.280 it quite as quite as kind as I had. But 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.320 I do have stories, like you know, my husband's a songwriter. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.199 I've been married to Bruce for years and he wrote 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.200 a lot of the Barry Man of those songs, like 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.840 you know Barry came out the closet recently on the 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.800 cover of People magazine. I've known that for but but 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.439 for twenty years I didn't say a word like So 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.080 there's stuff that I know. It's also true whenever I 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:56.760 go to a TV show, I do that Today Show 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.160 and Wendy Williams, anything that happens in a green room 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.760 I won't report on. So I've seen celebrities, a real 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.480 A list superstar celebrity haven't melt down and melt down 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.440 in the green room over a very very innocent question 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.720 that was going to be asked for her, And ultimately 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.960 she walked off the show that that was delicious, and 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.840 I sat there in the corner absorbing it all. But 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.440 I never reported it because I was invited into the house. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.400 I was invited into that living room, I was invited 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.960 into that family. And so there's places like that that 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.360 I'm I'm careful about. Yeah, And I also I don't 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.040 I don't act people. There's a couple of gay celebrities 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.120 now who have not come out, not of the older generation, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.040 but you know, in their twenties. I know I know 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.600 at least one, maybe two singers at the moment who 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.480 are struggling with it. I'm not going to act them. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.800 I know two health stories at the moment, one involving 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.120 a major British star that I'm not gonna do something. Yeah, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.559 I'm careful about it. I think what makes me for 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.840 good is that for as much aside Prince I, there's 0:09:53.920 --> 0:10:02.120 there's there's another fifty percent that I don't do you 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.760 think that celebrity is now vying for attention from the 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.280 reality show we call the Trump Presidency. Yeah, well, Trump's 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.560 sort of like a I don't say a symptom, but 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.280 Trump's reflection maybe of what's going on in America and 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.360 around the world. Like Trump is now an example how 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.760 celebrities really really powerful and knowing people and think we 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.040 knowing them. I think a lot of people think they 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.520 know Donald because of the Celebrity Apprentice. What they don't 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.760 know is that that was a set set up in 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.040 Trump Tower on the twentieth floor. That's not his boardroom, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.880 it's not his office, it's not his assistant. I guess 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.360 it's his children. But but like but but it was 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.200 little Like I said, I've been into his apartment. I 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.600 went there to interview Milania when she had a jewelry collection. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.920 And you walk in or you get in the elevator, 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.560 you walk up the elevator and there's these two massive 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.840 gold doors, um and they open the doors, and the 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.680 first floor of the apartment it's a set. There's light 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.960 in the ceiling like on a on a movie set. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.320 And they also have a fountain in the living room, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.840 this big fountain. And when I left, I heard them 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.559 flick the switch that the fountory went off. So it's 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.600 a it's all like the whole thing is set up 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.120 for television. TV is really really powerful, whatever your politics are. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.400 You know, there's no doubt that he's, you know, the 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.360 star who knows how to be. He knows how to 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.360 make things about himself. And there's a gossip columnists, you know, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.319 that's that's delicious. I think that for yours. There's been 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.559 stories about Donald's when he was a celebrity league in 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.240 stuff to the press and the papers, and he knows 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.680 how to He knows all the columnists, he knows them 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.479 all by name. He knows phone numbers and our emails, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.800 like Donald Donald knows how to how to work the media. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.920 Now I like to check out the rags all over, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.560 so I check out the British rags, and he knows 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.360 a lot of coverage on the Trump presidency and and 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.199 and then on the flip side, you know, to kind 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.400 of uh, you know, he's into this Royal wedding podcast. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.160 You know, Americans are obsessed with English everything. I was 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.559 I was thinking about this this weekend. I was watching Victoria. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.520 I was reading about the Napoleonic Wars from the perspective 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.240 of an English captain. And you know, Eddie Izard had 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:06.920 this line where he goes, well, I'm from England, That's 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.480 where the history comes from. And it's true, we are 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.160 obsessed with English everything. That is. I don't know. I 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.559 do know that I've benefited from it. I know that 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.000 here now. Honestly, I'm really not that smart and I'm 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.800 not very interesting, but having this accents makes me sound 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.280 like Mary Poppins. I can always murder who in Britain 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.400 people would have told me to shut up years ago. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.800 If you went to London, you would be a sensation 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.720 with your adorable accents. It's just I don't know. Being 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.600 a Britain in New York in America has certainly helped me. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.440 I think that I think that we have to really 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.439 credit the Royal Family for this. It's it's the first 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:49.000 reality family of all time, and they're awfully good at 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.000 have package in it and and given a storylines. And 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.480 so maybe you know, there is they hate me for 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.760 saying that they're the original Kardashians, like the Royal Family 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.200 just have have sort of really set up a way 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.439 to be really digen It's hardly interested in sixty million 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.520 people are in America over three million. It's always the one. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.120 It's a one story. And so what the Brits have 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.480 done with the Royal family is tell the story of 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.240 a nation through five or six characters. It's like a 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.160 soap opera. And so now that Megan has married into 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.920 that family, we have another character. And so I think, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.400 I think part partly that's why people are so obsessed 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.200 with Britain. And there was a time many many years 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.400 ago when Britain, you know, sort of ran the world. 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.000 So I think we all somehow have a linkage back 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.680 to the Motherland or you know, I mean, we all 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.079 have a relative or a distance relative, or a very 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.440 distant relative that might have been British at some point 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.200 my friend's joke, there's so many Brits now in New York. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.640 It's like we're getting the colony back. Like I feel 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.760 like I should wear a red coat to walk around, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.200 Like I feel like I would say that America, but 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.000 that they're They're awfully kind, and I think America's in America. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.280 Ricans in London are really welcome if you ever travel 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.520 to Britain as an American. The Britas love Americans. We 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.520 love American TV, we love American films, we love American 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.560 food in the same way that there's some difference towards 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.480 Britain in in America. In Britain, we love the Americans. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.160 I'm now, I now want to either start a podcast 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:27.000 or ready book called the Plantagenets the Original Kardashians. They 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.320 really really well. I die with dit An Abbey and 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.440 all these other shows that are so successful. Oh please, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.280 I could be nothing but great for my career. I 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.960 hope more more more royals get married, and then after 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:39.560 the way that I'm sure I'll have a podcast on 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.840 the babies, and then hopefully not, but maybe there'll be 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.920 a divorce podcast. Like you never it, let's talk about that. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.040 So you know, I'm a I'm a podcast nerd. I 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.400 left morning shows ten years ago to get into starting 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.160 an app called Stitcher and been in podcasting ever since. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:58.000 And now back with I Heart and I was when 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.600 they got the when we got I got email about 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.760 your podcast. I was like, Ah, this is the kind 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.040 of podcast that I want to see more of because 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.880 I think that the world podcasting evolves and we're finding 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.160 you know that it's going from being these NPR podcasts. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.240 He's really well produced and what you're wonderful to, you know, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.920 podcast more than the everyday person wants to. Like you 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.440 say about the scrappy podcast, I'm not saying that, I'm 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.440 saying that. I'm saying that it's more mainstream. I think 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.360 to hear your flaws. They want to hear everything they want. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.160 They want now to to hear you pick your notes. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.360 They want to hear you missproducial words. I think people 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.920 listen to podcasts and all media now as if we're 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.480 their friends, and I'd love to be. It's it's fun 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.840 to communicate in a way that's really authentic, that you 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.160 don't have to be too fancy, you don't have to 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.440 pretend to be Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer anymore. I'm 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.080 friends with Holder, who's just been um Announswers a co 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.120 anchor of the Today Show, What hold of successes? Apart 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.680 from the fact that she's brilliants, so she's authentic, that 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.840 really is who she is. So when you see her 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.960 on camera on the morning show or you go for 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.720 dinner with her, that's that's hold up. And I think 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.920 that people mag and smellophony. And that's what's so delicious 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.280 about the Successful podcast is that I think they really 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:18.760 capture the truth. You know, you had I read a 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.960 quote from you. It said and you said, the amount 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.000 of effort in time people have spend trying to cover 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.480 something up, even their own personalities, is ridiculous. Just find 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:31.120 the truth, and yeah I did. It's it's it's easy 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.280 to talk in soundbites on TV for two or three minutes, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.560 but to see I was terrified when I was offered 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.160 this job to do this podcast. I was terrified of 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.960 sitting there for half an hour. So twenty is half 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.280 an hour and rattling on and on and on, and 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.520 like the accent is good for five minutes, but come on, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.040 it's just Ania and so I just it was like, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.440 what am I gonna say. And then once I got 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.160 past myself and just started to sit there and enjoy it, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.640 I was like, I can go to a bar tonight 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.280 with a friend or or a new a new friend, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.439 And like I said, there were hours and talk. So 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.520 why am I worries about half an hour? I think 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.800 that's the way you should go into this. Like it's 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.680 I pretend I'm sitting there. Maybe I don't put them, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.040 but with a glass of wide I sit there and 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.440 I talk and talk and I find all the great 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.720 news of the week and all the breaking stuff out 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.560 of London. And then I think what we've done too 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.880 is we found some really interesting guests to come on 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.840 and tell us the real dish at this. This amazing 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.480 royal expert Nicki Gostin Australian, she came on and she 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.639 went there like she talked about sex before marriage, had 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.840 Harry and Megan dune the deed, which in the Royal 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.000 family is quite shocking. You're not really meant to do it. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.080 But Nikki was hilarious and it was a really really 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.359 fun episode. This week's episode, there was a rumor that 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.000 the Cake Boss Buddy the Cake Boss, was going to 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.280 make the Royal cake. So we slept out to his studio. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.200 We went out to the bakery and we walked. Did 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.320 we were invited, we did just like completely sort of darted, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.280 but we will did. He was in the kitchen and 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.280 he came and talked with us about the royal cake 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.760 and he didn't deny it, but he didn't confirm it. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.840 But then he told us about if he did get 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.600 to do the cake, what he would do and how 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.360 he would get it there. Could you FedEx the cake 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:12.760 to London or does he have to go and bake 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.840 it that. I think people are really interesting in life, 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.679 not just some podcast listeners. Really listen to this, because 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.640 in life, if you think somebody is a bit dull 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.200 or they don't talk very much, is because you haven't 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.720 found the subject that they want to talk about. And 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.200 everybody wants to talk, even quiet people, when you find 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.879 the subject, and nine times out of ten, it's what 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.920 they do for a living. People love to talk about 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.840 what they do for a living. You could follow anybody 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.480 around with a with a camera and make a documentary. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.200 I think I think he could. There's a story within everybody. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.000 And and when I first you know, you know, looking 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.840 at this podcast like how they can do a podcast 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.280 about this every week and you know, a gossip and 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.960 what's going to happen And it comes down though to 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.720 to the host and and this is where your skill 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.919 as a true interviewer comes out and making it a 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.960 conversation and not just you know, you know, you know, 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.639 like you said, sound by TV stuff, and the conversations 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.439 you have on this podcast are fascinating. People talk to me, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.359 I'm shocked me. That's my questions that I think I 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.160 get away with it because the accident. I asked them, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.640 if you don't you do your personalities, why you get 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.080 away with it? You just said it. The accent gets sold. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.119 Although I did hear when you said it's twenty minutes 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.040 and you're done with my accents. I did say when 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.800 you said Sean from when you're talking about well, if 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.399 everybody said it the way you said, if you'd be 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.560 very happy to be called Sean all the time as 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.920 you're recorded for every shot out there. But if you write, 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.280 if you talk to people and ask them questions, and 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.159 then if you're smart enough to just shut up and 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.680 let them talk, they will tell you everything. They really 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.480 will tell you everything. In my PR days, we used 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.520 to always know who you were by finding out who 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.560 you hate it And I think that's true in real life. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.440 Who do you hate and that's who you are, so 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.960 you know if Bonto hates Bruce Springsteen, did he hate 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.600 jay Z, Jaylo and Mariah? But I think it's really 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.480 interesting in life if you figure out who people like 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.840 and who they hate. It's such a reflection. So I 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.160 use a lot of my PR tricks on people. I 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.560 try to shut up and let them talk. Everybody has 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.919