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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, did It's Thursday, February twenty sixth, and

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Speaker 1: as we speak, the former first Lady of the United States,

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Speaker 1: former senator, former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is under

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Speaker 1: oath and testifying before a House committee about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ Roapes. She's testifying and she's made clear she knows nothing,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna let everybody here es. The cameras aren't

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Speaker 2: And you know, this is so interesting because we know

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Speaker 2: that both Hillary and Bill Clinton resisted not being subpoenaed

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Speaker 2: It is private, it is in closed doors. Yes, it

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Speaker 2: is being recorded, and we're hearing from Comer, who is

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Speaker 2: the head of the Oversight Committee, that it will be

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Speaker 2: released eventually. But they wanted this out in the open.

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Speaker 2: They wanted a public hearing if they were going to testify.

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Speaker 2: They wanted the world to watch as they were testifying.

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Speaker 2: And I understand why. So instead now, yes, Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 2: is being deposed in Chappaqua, near her home and She

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Speaker 2: released on Instagram her opening statement to the committee, and

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Speaker 2: it is lengthy, but she gets her two cents known

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Speaker 2: to the world before we even see that video or

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Speaker 2: after she testifies. It's a pretty smarmout.

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Speaker 1: She's up today, Bill Clinton is up tomorrow again. Under

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Speaker 1: threat of contempt of Congress, they finally came around and

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Speaker 1: decided they would testify. Look, they had an argument to make.

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Speaker 1: You didn't make anybody else come in here and do this.

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Speaker 1: Why are you giving making an exception and making us

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Speaker 1: do so? Obviously, the politics of this robe any Republican.

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Speaker 1: I guess your holy grail is a chance to get

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Speaker 1: the Clintons under oath.

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Speaker 2: Yes they have. There have been many articles written today

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Speaker 2: about Republican sala the chance to actually question not only

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Speaker 2: before Congress. And we're already hearing from some Democrats on

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Speaker 2: that committee saying this opens the door to President Trump

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Speaker 2: having to testify about what he knows. James Comer quickly

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Speaker 2: shot that down. Instead, a sitting President is not going

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Speaker 1: Across that bridge, and we get to it eventually, but

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Speaker 1: we do want to share with you now Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: opening statement to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

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Speaker 1: This committee made up majority of Republicans, but it's a

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Speaker 1: big committee. I think thirty plus at least on this

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Speaker 1: this is going on. We're toll robes. This will go

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Speaker 1: for long days of depositions. But this was Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: We will start from the top. It's a little over

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Speaker 1: three and a half pages, but this was her opening statement,

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Speaker 2: Mister Chairman, ranking member members of the committee. As a

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Speaker 2: former senator, I have respect for the Legislative Oversight and

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Speaker 2: As we all know. However, too often congressional investigations are

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Speaker 2: partisan political theater, which is an abdication of duty and

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Speaker 2: an insult to the American people. The Committee justified it's

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Speaker 2: information regarding the investigations into the criminal activities of Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. Let me be as clear as

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Speaker 3: A mic drop moment.

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Speaker 1: I expect her to just get up and walk out

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Speaker 3: But she's been saying this the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Ropes, she doesn't know the guy, didn't know the guy,

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Speaker 1: couldn't remember ever meeting the guy. Why are you dragging

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Speaker 1: me in here for this foolishness? Is the point she's making.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the big thing.

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Speaker 1: She says.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't recall ever meeting Jeffrey Epstein. Ever fairly significant,

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Speaker 2: She continues, as I stated in my sworn declaration on

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Speaker 2: I do not recall ever encountering mister Epstein. I never

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Speaker 2: I have nothing to add to that. Like every decent person,

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Speaker 2: I have been horrified by what we have learned about

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Speaker 2: their crimes. It is unfathomable that mister Epstein initially got

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Speaker 2: Mister Chairman, your investigation is supposed to be assessing the

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Speaker 2: federal government's handling of the investigations and prosecutions of Epstein

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Speaker 2: and his crimes. U subpoened eight law enforcement officials, all

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Speaker 2: former attorneys general were allowed to submit brief statements stating

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Speaker 2: they had no information to provide. You have held zero

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Speaker 2: including today, Despite espousing the need for transparency on dozens

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Speaker 2: when you did, not a single Republican member showed up

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Speaker 2: for Les Wexner's deposition.

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Speaker 1: She's calling them out from the very beginning. Now we

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Speaker 1: are reading this and you're hearing it this way, Ropes,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what her tone is. I would have loved

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Speaker 1: Clinton is under oath. These name a more battle tested,

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Speaker 2: They know how to handle them just about anyone or

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Speaker 2: we record this. Her opening statement continues.

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Speaker 3: This next line is very, very important.

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Speaker 2: This institutional failure is designed to protect one political party

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Speaker 2: I have spent my life advocating for women and girls.

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Speaker 2: I have worked hard to stop the terrible abuses so

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Speaker 2: including human trafficking, forced labor, and sexual slavery. For too long,

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Speaker 2: these have been largely invisible crimes or not treated as

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Speaker 2: they are entitled to better hung.

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Speaker 1: That is more than we are hearing from a lot

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Speaker 1: I mean, every time you hear Epstein files, it feels

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Speaker 1: rope She's look, she goes on from what you're talking

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House. She says, quote, this is a tragedy,

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Speaker 1: it's a scandal. It deserves vigorous investigation. In oversight, a

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Speaker 1: what's specific steps are needed to fix a system that

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Speaker 1: allowed Epstein to get away with his crimes in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, she goes through and list here a

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Speaker 1: This was smart?

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Speaker 3: Was it not to be very smart?

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Speaker 2: Not only is she saying, I don't know anything about Epstein,

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Speaker 2: she goes on to say what she did do to

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Speaker 2: should have done. One of them was interesting. It would,

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Speaker 2: they said, It would ensure that the lawful redactions of

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Speaker 2: Whereas they were very careful to make sure lots of

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Speaker 2: not happening. Instead, you have compelled me to testify, fully

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Speaker 1: And we are keeping an eye on what's happening in

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Speaker 1: of all places, Chapaqua, the performing art center that they

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Speaker 1: what were the last four lines of her statement? And

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Speaker 1: you thought she was going in on the committee before, Well,

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Speaker 1: she really did not hold back in these last statements.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what's going on in that room right now?

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Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back everyone, as we record this episode

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Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ. Former Secretary of State, former first Lady,

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Speaker 2: former senator from New York, Hillary Clinton is testifying before

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Speaker 2: the House Oversight Committee in Chappaqua, New York. She is

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Speaker 2: being deposed. It is being recorded on video that we

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Speaker 2: who will be testifying tomorrow. Former President Bill Clinton asked

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Speaker 2: They wanted this to be public. They didn't get their wish.

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Speaker 2: They are being deposed privately. But Hillary Clinton released a

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Speaker 2: and we have it here for you, and we will

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Speaker 2: finish with what former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told

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Speaker 1: This is how she wrapped up her opening statement here.

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Speaker 1: If the committee is serious about learning the truth about

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Speaker 1: It would ask him directly under oath about the tens

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Speaker 1: That the majority was serious, you would not waste time

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Speaker 2: My challenge to you, mister Chairman, members of the Committee

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Speaker 3: They expect you to use.

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Speaker 2: Your power to get to the truth and to do

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Speaker 2: more to help survivors of Epstein's crimes, as well as

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Speaker 2: put them on notice. I know nothing. You aren't asking

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Speaker 1: People do believe, I mean, fair minded people can see

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Speaker 1: like really this is happening. That's why this gets nothing.

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Speaker 1: It gets nothing to the survivors. It gives nothing to

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Speaker 3: They really believe, and you can.

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Speaker 4: Really believe that Hillary Clinton is some way complicit in

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Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's the key.

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Speaker 2: Her name isn't in any document that I have seen,

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Speaker 2: It's interesting you she put this opening statement on her Instagram,

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Speaker 2: There are pictures of you with him. That's completely not true.

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Speaker 2: Elaine Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton.

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Speaker 3: I beg you, I beg you, beg you, beg you.

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Speaker 1: People please do not take people things. People are just

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Speaker 1: saying stuff actually wrong, And somebody's gonna read that Robes

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Speaker 3: Go ooh, she's lying. Epstein was he was not?

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Speaker 1: Elaine was there as the date of a friend of

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Speaker 3: She wasn't even directed.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not trying to defend nobody's defending

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's have James Comer go in front of

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard any one pointed finger at her period.

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Speaker 1: You you can right now, at the top of your

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Yes, so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's politic. Why are we acting like, okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, it's politics. But this is going on right now.

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Speaker 1: Will keep an eye don't know how much we'll get

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Speaker 1: other reporters and networks are keeping an eye on a

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Speaker 1: This is where we are on the Epstein Investigation. Folks

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