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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul, Mission Control decad. Most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this a little bit off air.

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Speaker 3: What is your favorite fruit, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: I like a raspberry.

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Speaker 5: It's a nice fresh raspberry fresh quotation fingers, I guess today,

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Speaker 5: but I usually don't have too much trouble with getting

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Speaker 5: a nice juicy raspberry. I also used to be really

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Speaker 5: kind of freaked out by strawberries, but now I love them.

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Speaker 4: When they're when they're right.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna explain what freaked me out. It's too

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Speaker 4: too random.

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Speaker 2: Okay, strawberries. I'm changing mind from our discussion, by the way,

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Speaker 2: because I forgot about a delicious, juicy, incredible black or

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Speaker 2: red grape that is probably one of my favorites.

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Speaker 4: I don't f with grapes. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: With grapes, something about the pop. It's a texture for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it gets to me.

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Speaker 2: Naturally ripened grape.

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Speaker 3: The caviare of the vine, they call it. No one

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Speaker 2: What's yours?

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, well, I'm super basic, Matt. I'm glad you asked. Obviously.

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Speaker 3: The pineapple, that's not basic at all. That's the fanciest

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Speaker 3: of fruits. We'll get into it later.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for a lot of people, the idea

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Speaker 3: of buying produce is I think for most people across

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Speaker 3: the globe, the idea of buying produce, vegetable or fruit

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Speaker 3: is a basic day to day thing. Here in the

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Speaker 3: United States, it can be difficult to buy fresh food.

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Speaker 3: Depending on where you live, finding fresh food can be

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Speaker 3: darn near impossible, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I live in kind of

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Speaker 5: a bit of a food desert. But luckily I have

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Speaker 5: a car and they are amazing grocery stores just you know,

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Speaker 5: like that will have like the sad bowl of fruit,

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Speaker 5: the kind of withered bananas. You know, you know it,

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Speaker 5: you hate to see it, but some people that is

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Speaker 5: you know the access they have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and every once in a while you'll get to

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Speaker 2: go to that glorious mecha of partner swapping Trader Joe's

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Speaker 4: M you go for your fresh produce.

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Speaker 2: That's where apples hang out upside down.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was a good one. That's a good joke. Also,

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Speaker 3: tonight's episode is based on a conversation we had off

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Speaker 3: air about something that went viral on TikTok, the idea

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Speaker 3: that a peel is meant to somehow conspire against you

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Speaker 3: when you buy produce.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts. Okay, produce it's a big term, right,

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Speaker 3: it's a big word. It means a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 3: every kind of fruit, vegetable, grain, oat, you could imagine. Basically,

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Speaker 3: if it's not an animal, then it's produce, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's not an animal and it's not processed.

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Speaker 3: Important point, Matt. If if it's an orange by itself,

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Speaker 3: it's produce. If it is a carton of orange juice,

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Speaker 3: then it is no longer produce.

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Speaker 5: Right, even if it's in you know, like fresh squeezed, right,

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Speaker 5: because it is processed. I mean, even just the active

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Speaker 3: What a great point, though, because if if produce is packaged,

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Speaker 3: like the sad banana right in its own ziploc bag

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Speaker 3: or whatever. If produce is packaged, it can still be produce.

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Speaker 3: If the pineapple is cut and put a little plastic cup,

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Speaker 3: it can still be pineapple. I think it's when the

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Speaker 3: Would we say that's accurate.

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Speaker 4: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. But it's hard to get into

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Speaker 2: also because if you think about something, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: say the brand name like Quaker oats, right that you

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Speaker 2: get in the large container, those are oats. Those are

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Speaker 2: mostly unprocessed test but they have been They've gone through

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Speaker 2: lots of processes. I guess no, they are processed.

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Speaker 5: I'm wrong, Okay, But Matt, I see what you're thinking

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Speaker 5: on that, because it's a little confusing because to me,

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Speaker 5: if it was a freshly squeezed orange juice, then to me,

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Speaker 5: that would it's like not processed in a way that

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Speaker 5: involves other substances. It's just you know, taking the essence

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so complicated because there's so many different types

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Speaker 2: of processed orange juicing you can do. Right, we did

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Speaker 2: that whole episode we talked about. I think it is

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Speaker 2: simply orange, the one that completely breaks down the orange

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Speaker 2: and then recombines them magically in a way that makes

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what does my simply orange do that? I

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Speaker 5: don't like the sound of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the problem is it's not simple.

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Speaker 2: It is just oranges.

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Speaker 4: It's just not simple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's kind of like how the Quaker oats guy

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Speaker 3: gets younger every ten years. Have you noticed that he

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Speaker 3: used to be old as hell? Now he's like a

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Speaker 5: Is this like the fly type situation where they put

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Speaker 5: it just like breaks it apart into its atoms and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So the US has an ongoing problematic love affair with

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Speaker 3: hyper sweetened, heavily processed food. But the US is still

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Speaker 3: a global player in produce, and it imports a ton

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Speaker 3: of stuff. A lot of it comes from Mexico, Peru, Chile, Guatemala,

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Speaker 3: if it's not an animal, if it's not heavily processed,

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Speaker 3: if it is fruit or veg it is produce.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the World Health Organization, you know them, they recommend

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Speaker 2: people consume four hundred grams of fruits and vegetables every day.

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Speaker 2: Four hundred grams. It's a lot of grams mm hm.

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Speaker 2: And you know what we got. We've read ads for

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Speaker 2: every day as we're going around. Maybe if you're on

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Speaker 2: which I am highly guilty of, not easy to get

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Speaker 2: those those fresh vegetables and fruits into you. But there

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Speaker 2: are companies out there that offer alternative ways to get

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Speaker 3: The real thing being fresh fruits and vegetables. I imagine,

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Speaker 4: Would real once again in quotation fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Asian Pacific region dominates the fresh fruits market.

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Speaker 3: That population imports the most fresh fruits. If you ask

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Speaker 3: your non US friends, they will have some pretty not

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Speaker 3: great opinions about fruit and veg in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Like and we've seen it. If you travel to a

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Speaker 3: different country, Noel, you can speak to this, Like in Spain.

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Speaker 2: The.

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Speaker 3: Typical raspberry or the typical strawberry, or just the typical

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Speaker 3: asparagus is a little bit different from the kind of

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Speaker 5: Well, it's just everywhere they have these massive like city markets,

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Speaker 5: it's very spotty. It's very you know, kind of patchy,

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Speaker 4: Well, we just.

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Speaker 2: Talked about how we didn't say this. By the way,

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Speaker 2: only one in ten Americans actually get four hundred grams

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Speaker 2: we're already kind of not doing a great job getting

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Speaker 2: great job making the stuff. As we said, we import

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Speaker 2: in grocery stores, and really think about, how do I

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I had a grocery car full of Costco

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Speaker 4: Going to be you know, bad news.

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Speaker 5: it's the word logistics to get this stuff. God knows

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Speaker 3: That's awesome though, that you had that, You had those

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Speaker 3: vegetables or those fruits in your car. You had a

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Speaker 2: But I had a cucumber melt when I was in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: It excited from the time somehow, like yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: It was it became it became like gelatinous. Weird grossroth Man.

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Speaker 4: But like that's the thing too.

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Speaker 5: It's not sufficient to just freeze things, uh, to transport

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Speaker 5: that creates a different consistency. And when you buy frozen

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Speaker 5: berries or frozen vegetables, that's one type of thing, and

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Speaker 5: you know what consistency you're gonna get. But the presumption

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Speaker 5: when you're buying stuff that's in your you know, produce

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Speaker 5: department in the grocery store, is that it hasn't been frozen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the idea.

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Speaker 3: In earlier evenings, people were only able to eat stuff

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Speaker 3: that grew near them. This is nuts. No one ever

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Speaker 4: So it's news and fake news at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, him and Melinda made a foundation just to ruin

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Speaker 2: I got. I would love it if Bill Gates like

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Speaker 5: It out and there's an entire fancy like Michigan Star

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Speaker 3: idea of removing the ability to think right. Similar with

440
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: or similar to, I should say, fluoride poisoning conspiracies. Yeah,

441
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: and we know that there are provable aspects of this,

442
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: such as the lead poisoning hypothesis. I don't think it

443
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: was on purpose, but lead exposure plausibly led to jeez,

444
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: plausibly created some crimes. It's scary stuff, you know, It's

445
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: not coming from a clear blue sky. Maybe the most

446
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: important thing to remember is that wealthy people are no

447
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 3: more intelligent than the average person. That's the assumption of

448
00:26:54,200 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 3: these conspiracies, the assignation of some sort of grand chess

449
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: Master Kissinger level four D chess. It's just I don't know, man,

450
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Most people are the same everywhere you go.

451
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Speaker 5: I just think in general, it's yeah, to your point,

452
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 5: then you're right. People are just a little more straightforward

453
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 5: than that.

454
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Speaker 2: It's a weird thing because this does feel like a

455
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: It's not an altruistic thing. Let's not pretend anything about that.

456
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: This is a for profit company that is making a

457
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: thing that is going to make lots and lots of money,

458
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: and has been making lots of money since. By the way,

459
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: I think twenty eighteen is around the first time I

460
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: remember hearing about Appeal when it was associated with avocados

461
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: and NBC was talking about it, and everybody was like,

462
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't even a big deal. Nobody knew, nobody really cared.

463
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: It was just, oh, here's a way to preserve a

464
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: couple of different types of produce a little bit longer

465
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: with this coding. But in the end it feels like

466
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: a good thing. It is a good thing. I think,

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

468
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Speaker 3: I think Bill Gates is trying to kill everyone.

469
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: I think that's probably the most likely scenario.

470
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Speaker 2: By the way, did you guys did you hear? According

471
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: to Vanity Fair and Melinda Gates his own words, well,

472
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: the main reason she divorced Bill was because of his

473
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: work with a guy who had an island. Ooh know

474
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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about? She names names, She says, like,

475
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Speaker 2: because one of the reasons, one of a myriad number

476
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: of reasons that she divorced Bill is because of his

477
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: work with Jeffrey Epstein.

478
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Speaker 4: Yeah from earlier, Yeah, jeff from earlier.

479
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's from March of twenty twenty two.

480
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Speaker 4: I had not heard that, Matt.

481
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: That's wild pretty recent. The foundation continues, though, because we

482
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Speaker 3: have to realize at that financial threshold, the institution acquires

483
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: a life of its own right, so such that a

484
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Speaker 3: Bill and Melinda could pass away and a Bill and

485
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: Melinda Foundation could theoretically soldier on. After intense research, the

486
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: three of us could find no actionable intelligence indicating that

487
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: appeal was part of a grand scheme to poison, sterilize,

488
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Speaker 3: or dumb people down via preservation methods, just like the

489
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Speaker 3: eradication of communicable disease. It appears that the Foundation itself

490
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: was it was donating to things right, It wasn't necessarily

491
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Speaker 3: leading research. What most likely happened is someone went into

492
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: a boardroom and pitched an idea and someone said yes, right,

493
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: and the Foundation therefore assigned some money to it. But

494
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: we like a face on our villains. We like someone

495
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: that we can look at when we have a problem.

496
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Speaker 3: It's weird because I love that you were pointing out, Matt,

497
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Speaker 3: how we had the appeal technology as a civilization back

498
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Speaker 3: in what did you say twenty eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen is when I first read about it. I

500
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: think maybe it's been around for longer than that. But

501
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Speaker 2: James Rogers is the guy's name who created appeal and

502
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: then it got backed by at least you know, the

503
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Speaker 2: Gates money, and that was a while ago.

504
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Speaker 3: And it is an iteration on a theme. We're going

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Speaker 3: to pause for a word from our sponsors, and then

506
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: when we come back, we're going to learn some weirder

507
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: stuff about fruit preservation, produce preservation, that goes far, far

508
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 3: far before Bill Gates ever clicked a mouse clicked at

509
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Speaker 3: a window. What is our best? Bill Gates stroke.

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Speaker 4: Looked out, O wind, there we go.

511
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: We've returned. Here's the truth. People have been coating produce

512
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Speaker 3: with artificial protective layers for like a thousand years minimum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's look at apples as a great example. In

514
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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, a piece in The Atlantic by Julia Phillips

515
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: pointed out that apples that you pick right from a

516
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 5: tree are you know, dirty. I mean, anything that grows

517
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Speaker 5: out of the ground's gonna gross out of dirt. It's

518
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: gonna and you have a little dirt on it. They

519
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: are often scarred, pock marked. They're out there in the nature.

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Speaker 5: There might be worms, there might be you know, animals

521
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Speaker 5: taking a little bite or whatever. Most plants are able

522
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: to house organisms when they're left to their own devices

523
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: in the wild, you know. But also like for the

524
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Speaker 5: most part of the animals that are eating these things,

525
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: or if they're growing wild, they're not exactly the same

526
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Speaker 5: as like the American consumer in terms of like their

527
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Speaker 5: expectation of perfection.

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Speaker 2: Very true, there's also something to think about here with apples.

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Speaker 2: If an apple falls from the tree on which it

530
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Speaker 2: was grown and then hits the ground. Yes, it could

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Speaker 2: be dirty. Yes, you might not even use that in

532
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Speaker 2: the you know, the bushels of apples that you're collecting.

533
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Speaker 2: But when do you pick the apple? When is the

534
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Speaker 2: apple fresh and ready and ripe to be picked and

535
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Speaker 2: then sold. That is a whole other question we're going

536
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: to get into here, because when if you pick it

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Speaker 2: at the right time, it is almost ripe enough to

538
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Speaker 2: be on the shelf.

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00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: But the right time, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just don't ripe enough to make it on those trips.

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Speaker 3: Right.

542
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: So again, you want to use something like this technology

543
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: like appeal to keep the apple safe and long enough

544
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Speaker 2: and worm free until you can get it right at

545
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Speaker 2: there at time and then send it off.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of like taking a steak off of the

547
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Speaker 5: grill before it's done cooking, because it's going to continue cooking.

548
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 5: It's like timing is everything. And I saw a really

549
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Speaker 5: interesting interview with Neil de grass Tyson or he was

550
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: speaking to Anthony Bourdain who posed this notion to you know,

551
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Speaker 5: to the grass Tyson that seemed to kind of blow

552
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Speaker 5: his mind, which usually it's the other way around in

553
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Speaker 5: terms of minds being blown. But Bourdain said that food

554
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Speaker 5: in general and throughout history, it's it's all about getting

555
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Speaker 5: it at the perfect.

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Speaker 4: Level of decay. Yeah, like everything is decaying.

557
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Speaker 5: And then like when you find the quote, even the

558
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Speaker 5: word ripe is often used to refer to like corpses,

559
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Speaker 5: because it is a measure of level of decay.

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00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ethylene concentration. If you think about a banana,

561
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Speaker 2: the reason why the color change on the outside, it

562
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: is this cool little signal to let the user of

563
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: said banana to know when it's time. Same to do

564
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Speaker 2: with the squishiness of that banana. It's time to eat

565
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: this thing now. But it's not really for that. That's

566
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: the that's the banana naturally decaying and let you know,

567
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: letting loose some of these chemicals that break down the substances.

568
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: That's why it smells good. That's why it tastes good.

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Speaker 3: It's the advertisement to the rest of the natural world.

570
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Speaker 3: Eat me, come here, Yes, let's me spread my seeds, yes,

571
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: and poop the seeds.

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Speaker 4: Suctive, It's true.

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Speaker 3: It's true. Also, unless we slutshame produce here. There there

574
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Speaker 3: is also there is also a fascinating thing with ethylene

575
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Speaker 3: that will get into later. We need to understand there

576
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: is a reason that certain fruits in particular will accelerate

577
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: the ripening process, or the entropy. That's what we're dancing around,

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: the entropy of other pieces of the natural world. Folks

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00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: try to preserve this. By folks, I mean humans. The

580
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: first US patent for coating fruits with wax. It dates

581
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Speaker 3: back to nineteen twenty two in the United States. It's

582
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Speaker 3: a mixture of your old school paraffin, wax and kerosene.

583
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: It's made by a guy named Ernest Brogden, and absolutely

584
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: no one thought it was weird that it was spraying

585
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: fruit with kerosene. They were like, right on, man, now

586
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: I can have apples a little later. No, I can

587
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Speaker 3: have some pears that are not immediately going bad.

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00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing too.

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00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 5: If you buy stuff like that fruit and vegetables from

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Speaker 5: your local farmers market or from like a farm stand

591
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 5: or whatever, and you're not used to doing that, they're

592
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: gonna go bad in a day or so. You know

593
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: they're gonna go bad in just a couple of days.

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Speaker 5: And that might be surprising to some people who are

595
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: used to only buying fruits and vegetables from like a

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Speaker 5: giant conglomo you know, groceries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, most fruits do this on their own. They manufacture

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Speaker 3: or generate their own protective covering. It's a it's a

599
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: talcum esque powder made of fat crystals. That's why, like

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: to our earlier example, when you're picking apples from your

601
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: proverbial tree, they look all pock marked and scarred and

602
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: a little bit dusty. Even if you can't find a

603
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: source of dust, they're generating that covering. It's similar to

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Speaker 3: how chicken eggs need to be refrigerated in, as you said,

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: a conglomcose store if you purchase them from there. But

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00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: if you purchased chicken eggs from a guy who just

607
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Speaker 3: grows chickens, you don't have to refrigerate them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're better, Boy, are they better? Like I'm

609
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 5: sorry not to be that guy, but they do taste different.

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: They've got a different color. There's just a vibe to

611
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Speaker 5: them that feels much better. And I, you know, I

612
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Speaker 5: do my best to buy the nicer eggs, I guess

613
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: from the grocery store or the brown kind of quote

614
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: unquote cage free ones. But we even know that those

615
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: situations are not what they seem. You know, the notion

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Speaker 5: of cage free. It's sort of like loaded like it

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00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: actually means sure, they're not like in like sharing a

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Speaker 5: single cage with like hundreds of chickens. But they're also

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Speaker 5: not just like roaming the wild, you know, hills, like

620
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Speaker 5: foraging on grain or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Let's also put out here, we're talking about this kerosene

622
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Speaker 2: wax mixture that was applied to the exterior of fruits

623
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Speaker 2: to theoretically preserve them a little bit longer there, and

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00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: they make their own essentially protective coating. Many fruits do,

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00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: and vegetables many of them even have a protective coating

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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: like a peel or you know, an exoskeleton of sorts,

627
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: like a banana, like an avocado like something like that.

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00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: But that isn't always sufficient to prevent oxidation. And again,

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Speaker 2: some of those natural Again, I keep using ethylene concentrations

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Speaker 2: because one of the things I looked at, I think

631
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Speaker 2: Pharmisen one of the things they talked about ethylene a lot.

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Speaker 2: And as you said, Ben, we're going to talk about

633
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Speaker 2: ethylene gas in a second, because that stuff is dangerous

634
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: in my opinion. But the oh, where was I going?

635
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: Matt you were going somewhere. We were going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: One of the other big problems that we've had with

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Speaker 2: produce is humanity's attempts to prevent pests from eating all

638
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: that fruit. We're talking about stuff that's on the outsides

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00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: of the fruit, something like an orange. Well, you spray

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00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: some of that stuff down with pesticides, at least historically humans,

641
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: and a lot of that stuff is so dangerous and

642
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: bad for us, even though we have to trust the

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Speaker 2: FDA is saying the concentrations are whatever it is, that's

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Speaker 2: safe for us. It's fine, sure, sure, but there are substances,

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00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: dangerous substances that have been sprayed on our produce for decades.

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Speaker 2: And I would say, gentlemen, we grew up eating a

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Speaker 2: lot of that pest aside on our fruits and bench oh.

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00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, look how we turned out. Not great?

649
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: Ah, we're doing all right.

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00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: Joke.

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Speaker 3: Also, we grew up in the time where the FDA's

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Speaker 3: rationale was something like, spray whatever you want on the

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Speaker 3: surface of the produce. It has a peal. You just

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Speaker 3: peel off the orange. Yeah, peel you know.

655
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Speaker 2: Or you're gonna wash it. Duh, it'll be fine.

656
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are they gonna do use lemons? S Are

657
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: they fancy?

658
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 4: This is America? Oh I love lemons. Do you guys

659
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 4: have like a hardcore policy on washing your produce? Yes?

660
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: I wash it every every goal piece, even if it

661
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: says we washed it three times.

662
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: You're good smart. It was just interested in your a

663
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: stance on this.

664
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: I use water when I wash it.

665
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Ooh that's a hot take.

666
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: That wait way to hire as you're plumbing, jesezu.

667
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: This so the concept of a peel the company, right,

668
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 3: not the concept of a peel on a piece of produce,

669
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: the brand a peel as a threat. It went viral

670
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: on social media for a couple of reasons, and one

671
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: of the primary reasons is the visibility of the sticker,

672
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: which is actually EPI peel. That's the sticker people were

673
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: looking at. And it's kind of similar to how folks

674
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: would allege that Nabisco was some sort of flagship of

675
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: a Freemason based Illuminati cabal because of the little stamp

676
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: on the Oreo cookies or the you.

677
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: Know, there's kind of a seal. Yeah, yeah, I've never

678
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 4: really examined it very closely. Is it nefarious?

679
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: And it's it's it's literally a thing you would stamp

680
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 5: on a cookie to make it distinctive.

681
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: But the idea is uh. The The argument here is

682
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: that one could, if one has the right perspective, immediately

683
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: identify conspiracy. The problem is, real conspiracies don't advertise themselves.

684
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Real conspiracies don't have a big symbol that says, hey,

685
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: look at me, I'm doing evil things. Real conspiracies hide themselves,

686
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: just like the monopolization of food. Shout out to Dole,

687
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: Shout out to Nestle, Shout out to kelen Nova right,

688
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: shout out to those guys who buy Kelenova recently.

689
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: Oh it was now that was your story from Strange News?

690
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: Was Mars Mars?

691
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, shout a little family outfit than Mars Corporation.

692
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, mom and pop.

693
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: Well, let's go ahead and quickly say exactly what appeal is.

694
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: And I think we can use cucumbers, even though it's

695
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: not the best example because appeal has mostly been used

696
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: so far, at least in places like Tescos on different

697
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: types of oranges like mandarins and avocados specifically. But in

698
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: the United States, they ran tests with this substance, this

699
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: coating on cucumbers, and guys have you ever bought a

700
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: hothouse cucumber that is wrapped in a really tight plastic wrapping.

701
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's illegal for you to ask me that.

702
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 4: It's like shrink crap.

703
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 2: Whenever I'm buying cucumbers for like my son and I,

704
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: I will buy that specific type of cucumber. It doesn't

705
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 2: matter where it's from. I look for the one that's

706
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: basically plastic wrapped, and I don't think twice about it.

707
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: I go, oh, that one's got to be fresh, super fresh.

708
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: It's wrapped in plastic, and I chop it all up,

709
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: send it all the way with my son to school,

710
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: and I consume a bunch of it myself. Well, this

711
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: appeal is just a coating. It would be a plasticless coating,

712
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: which sounds good to my ears that you spray onto

713
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: that cucumber, And it's made up of mono and diglycerides,

714
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: which are those same fatty acids that create the natural

715
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: coatings that most fruits and vegetables have. Yeah, so theoretically

716
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: appeal is just a little extra natural coating, but it

717
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: is manufactured vegetable fruit based mono and diglycerides.

718
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: That's true. It also brings us to another part of

719
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: the conversation. It is dangerously tempting to see a sticker

720
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: on a thing, whether that be an apple, a cucumber,

721
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: a banana and avocado, and immediately assume, Hey, I saw

722
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: the sticker. I am included in this conspiracy. I am

723
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: somehow read on. But to be clear, there are produce

724
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: production conspiracies at play. They're not the kind of things

725
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: you see advertised with a sticker. We have to talk

726
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: about ethylene gas, the chemical name C two H four.

727
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: It's a naturally occurring thing. It's what ripens fruit, what

728
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: encourages uh to Anthony Bourdain's earlier point, the entropy.

729
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can also use ethylene gas in a Uh,

730
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: you can introduce ethylene gas to produce in an environment.

731
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Hey that's my son. Hey hey, he's behind me.

732
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: He's excited.

733
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

734
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: We're talking about fruits and vegetables. Writer, how much do

735
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: you like those cucumbers we get, I won't wish if

736
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: you salted, and how like good? They feel like they're

737
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: like perfect? Thank you buddy. He left me hanging, no

738
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: high five.

739
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: That's okay, legend, absolute legend.

740
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: So the ethylene gas is something you can do artificially.

741
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: You can introduce that to Let's say you've got a

742
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: truckload of I don't know, what's something, guys, bananas.

743
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: Sham my truck of bananas. What am I gonna do?

744
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: Well, you put it into you dropped that giant container

745
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: or whatever, all those containers of bananas into a room.

746
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: Then you release ethylene gas, and what that will do

747
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: is artificially ripe in those bananas. But guess what, guys,

748
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: ethylene gas doesn't penetrate all the way into the center

749
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: of that delicious banana. What it does is it makes

750
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: the exterior nice and ripe, to make it look like

751
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: the bananas ready to eat, even though the inside says, oh, guys,

752
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: i'd need another like five to seven days.

753
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know, one.

754
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 5: Thing I noticed I was looking into some of this

755
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 5: stuff was reports of people saying that they don't think

756
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 5: fruit smells anyway anymore. And I think that is directly

757
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: as a result because Matt, you had mentioned the ethylene

758
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 5: that was naturally produced and the ripeness and the entropy

759
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 5: and all that. That's where the smell comes from, That's

760
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: where the taste comes from. If these things are being

761
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: like artificiently ripe and somewhat, which totally makes sense. They

762
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 5: would feel and react and smell and tastes differently, have

763
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 5: a different texture.

764
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: It's not cool.

765
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: Well, it is different. I appreciate the point you're making there.

766
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: Know about the smell versus the I guess, the mass

767
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: market smell versus the farmer's market smell. That's something a

768
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: lot of people in the US can differentiate from.

769
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because the ethylene is the thing that makes

770
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: it right. Well, we just talked about like that smell

771
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: comes directly from the breakdown, and if the inside being

772
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: broke down down.

773
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: Then it's going to get a smell.

774
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fixing the outside of the house without repairing

775
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: the interior. That's what's happening. And we see Also this

776
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: is pro tip by the way, a fellow conspiracy realist,

777
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: this is why you can accelerate the ripening of another

778
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: fruit by sticking it in a paper bag with a banana.

779
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: Tomatoes also exhibit a lot of eminy, I should say

780
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: a lot of ethlenes. So you can put a tomato,

781
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: buy something, and it will ripe in more quickly. If

782
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: you have bananas that seem to be going bad at

783
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: a cartoonish rate, you might have some tomatoes, buy them.

784
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 3: Just check on that part. It's true, it's a pro tip.

785
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: But scientists have known about this mechanism for more than

786
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: I guess, technically in the West more than a century,

787
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: but I would say more than several thousand years because

788
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: people figure this out pretty quickly. The produce industry has

789
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: leveraged this in fascinating problematic ways. We always say it

790
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: here in English, one bad apple. It turns out the

791
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 3: one over ripe apple emitting a lot of this gas.

792
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: That's what spoils the bunch.

793
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: That's what that's what's happening. There is science behind it.

794
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 4: Love that did not know. I was today years old.

795
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 5: I didn't know the banana trick either, Ben, But that's

796
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: this is all good info. But man, I we talk

797
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 5: a lot too about, like you know, artificially engineered seeds

798
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: and things like that, and this just feels like an

799
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: extension of that, you know, and like you know, the

800
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 5: idea is it's not in the best interest of these

801
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: big corporations for the fruit and the vegetables to be

802
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: in their most natural state, because their priorities are more

803
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 5: in how long can we hold onto these before we

804
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 5: have to cut our losses.

805
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: Now that's a big deal. I always think about that

806
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: when I go into a grocery store.

807
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, how is this giant pile of avocados not

808
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: just rotting?

809
00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 4: You know?

810
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 5: And sometimes they are, And I wonder what the spoilage

811
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 5: rate for things like that are. And they're obviously people

812
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 5: crunching numbers that are trying to increase those stats in

813
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 5: their to their benefit.

814
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: Because I want to bring up one other way that

815
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: fruit can be artificially ripened. So say you you ship

816
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: some stuff from Ecuador, it gets to the United States,

817
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: gets to a shipping facility, and it's not ripe yet,

818
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: it's not ready to go out. Another way to do

819
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: it is to use calcium carbide, which it produces essentially

820
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: a similar gas, not the same type of gas. I

821
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: think it's called acetylene gas. It's kind of like ethylene gas,

822
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: but not quite the same. And what goes in welding torches, Yes, yes,

823
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: crash the job, but use of it for this process

824
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: has been banned at least in the United States and

825
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: in several other countries, but not in some uh. And

826
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: it does the same exact thing where you get that

827
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: exterior ripening, but the interior just isn't ready yet.

828
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: And it's important that we we mentioned this because so

829
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: much goes into the stuff that you run into in

830
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: your grocery store, folks. Perhaps one of the most dangerous

831
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: conspiracies is this. There is a concerted effort afoot to

832
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: make sure that you ignore the human cost of growing

833
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: these things, of bringing them to you across the planet

834
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: out of season in season. There is no proving conspiracy

835
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 3: on the behalf of appeal or epipeal to sterilize people.

836
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: There's no conspiracy to make you dumber other than the

837
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: conspiracy that already existed, which is to make you ignore

838
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: the human cost of these violent ends.

839
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: Here here, And I think we maybe didn't mention one

840
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: of the more I don't know easily dismissable. I think

841
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 5: one could argue TikTok conspiracy theories here. The actual like,

842
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 5: this is a piece of fruit that is fully made

843
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: of some sort of polymer, and people, you know, there

844
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 5: are videos of people like saying, look, I found this

845
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 5: plastic piece of fruit in my order from the grocery store.

846
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: Though I don't know, maybe it happens, maybe some slip in.

847
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a concerted effort for this, But

848
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: what do you guys.

849
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: Think, What does it taste like?

850
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 2: The rubber? There are allegations that bananas, watermelons, a bunch

851
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: of other types of fruits show up, people cut into

852
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: them and show on these you know, TikTok or Instagram

853
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: videos whatever it is cutting into the thing, and it

854
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: does look like the meat of the watermelon is made

855
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: of something else, or it is watermelon like and it's

856
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: the right color, but it's not the right texture. And

857
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: I would pause it that these artificial ripening techniques are

858
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that we are seeing an uptick

859
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: in that kind of thing where that banana is not

860
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: ready to eat for like a week or two. It

861
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 2: wasn't ready to even be picked off of the banana

862
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: plant yet, but the company needed to get that shipment

863
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: out or else there's not going to be enough stuff

864
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: on the store shelves.

865
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: Well, I say this is a perfect example of that.

866
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 5: This is the truth behind on the surface is just

867
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 5: this easily clickable conspiracy theory, the idea that the fruit

868
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 5: manufacturers are replacing the fruit.

869
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: With fake fruit.

870
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: That you know, it's much deeper and more specific than that,

871
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Speaker 5: and rooted in the manufacturing process. But I don't think

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Speaker 5: that dole are shipping out prop bananas.

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Speaker 3: No, why would they. They'll just buy another country or

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Speaker 3: overthrow a government.

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Speaker 2: One other minor angle when it comes to that specific

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory isn't really related, but I think we should

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Speaker 2: at least mention it here. And that is the fact

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Speaker 2: that produce shipments coming in to the United States, so

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Speaker 2: produce that the United States is importing are more and

880
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Speaker 2: more being used by cartels and other organizations to ship narcotics.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of watermelons, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, watermelons, green beans, celery squash, holapanio paste, sugar, bananas.

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Speaker 2: Really literally think of a shipment of produce, and there

884
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: have been narcotics in vast quantities sent over in shipments

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Speaker 2: of this, sometimes packaged separately, sometimes in the vats of

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Speaker 2: jalapeno paste, like we're talking bricks of methamphetamine, and you know,

887
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Speaker 2: giant bags of fentanyl or cocaine that has been made

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Speaker 2: to look like watermelons, like fake paper watermelons.

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Speaker 5: It's comical looking. I'm looking at the pictures right now.

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Speaker 5: They look like they're paper maches.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys want to know one that didn't make

892
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: the news. Yeah, flower bulbs. There's a there's a huge,

893
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Speaker 3: huge trade for flowers. The floral industry in the United

894
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Speaker 3: States gets a lot of stuff from South and Central America.

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Speaker 3: So wow, the you could bust, Well, you could if

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Speaker 3: you were a villain, move things via flower bulb shipments

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Speaker 3: because it was supposed to be fresh, meaning they get

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Speaker 3: some expedited chipping. A couple of people got caught.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you an example from Atlanta from August

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Speaker 2: thirteenth of this year, twenty twenty four, there was a

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Speaker 2: huge shipment of celery that was going to a place

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Speaker 2: called what is it Atlanta State Farmers Market in Forestworth Park.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned this on Strange News.

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Speaker 2: Oh perfect. It was methamphetamine and it was packaged with

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Speaker 2: the celery just kind of in there, but it was

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Speaker 2: separated a little bit. The weird one came when I

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Speaker 2: think it was right around that same time, August twenty second,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, there was a story about that the

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Speaker 2: watermelons that were packaged that were fake watermelons that had

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Speaker 2: a bunch of drugs in them, alongside regular watermelons that

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Speaker 2: were meant to go to the store. Now, in both

913
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Speaker 2: of those cases. Unfortunately, the real fruits had to get

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Speaker 2: thrown away because they were potentially contaminated right by whoever

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Speaker 2: was packaging those drugs. But I don't think I don't

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Speaker 2: think this would explain fake looking tasting or fake textured fruit.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, unless there are like fake bananas

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Speaker 2: that came through with a shipment along with the real bananas,

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Speaker 2: and the fake ones were used to hide the drug

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Speaker 2: shipment that went past you know, customs or something, and

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Speaker 2: then somehow accidentally one of those a couple of crates

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Speaker 2: of fake bananas got in with the real ones. But

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Speaker 2: I don't think that happened.

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Speaker 5: Aren't they like customs stickers like on those fake watermelons,

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Speaker 5: or there's like tape wrapped around them?

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Speaker 4: Is that real? Or is that? Like? Man, is that

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Speaker 4: fake too? Like?

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Speaker 5: I obviously made it pretty far through the the you know,

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Speaker 5: the whole inspection process.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's do it this way. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: eaten a banana only to find that it was methamphetamine?

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