1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about a lawsuit claiming that Riley Keo, 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Elvis Presley's granddaughter, is genetically the mother of John Charrolta's kid, 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: two freak accidents that involve a sonna and a hot tub, 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: a hospital that lost a chunk of a patient's skull, 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: and the unthinkable happened when a funeral home gave a 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: father a bag of what he thought was closed, only 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: to find out it was his son's brain. All that 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: and more in today's episode, Let's get started with Riley Keo. 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: All right, So, Priscilla Presley's former business manager filed a 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: breach of contract lawsuit against her son, and in the 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: legal documents, they claim that Riley Keo, who is Lisa 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Marie's daughter and Elvis's granddaughter, donated her eggs to John 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: Travolta and Kelly Preston, which resulted in the birth of 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: their youngest son, Ben. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like famous people do weird shit all 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: the time, who care like I don't. I just don't 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: even see why the I feel like this is almost 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: a confidentiality thing, like they might not have wanted this 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: out in the public if it's true, and it just 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like Caddie right'. It's doing nothing 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: except putting them out there like that, and it's not 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: helping anyone at all to release this information, Like it's 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: just the kid's mom's dead, right, Kelly Preston's dead. Yeah, 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Just why air someone's dirty laundry like that. 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't really understand it. And from Priscilla's camp, it's 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: seeming like this lawsuit isn't getting good traction and moving forward, 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: so they're just kind of grasping at straws and throwing 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: out whatever they can in these legal documents, trying to 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: get it in the news, which obviously with this story 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: they were successful. 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: At doing that. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: But it's just kind of random, Like I don't think 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: this is as salacious as here trying to make it 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: seem like if Riley Keo had an affair with John 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: Travolta at the time this kid was born, she would 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: have been twenty twenty one years old. I think that 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: would have been a little more salacious, especially if he 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: and Kelly Preston then adopted this kid that resulted from 42 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: an affair, but like that's not what happened. Like people 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: do IVF all the time. It's not weird to get 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: an egg Donor if they were close friends, which they 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: might have been because they were like all in scientology together, 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: then like they might have just been like, we're friends 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: and you're a good choice, you know, like you're young, and. 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: It's like Elvis is DNA. Come on, I'd take that shit. 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: Come on. 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: I think this lawsuit is stemming out of this like 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: weird estate argument that's been going on since Lisa Marie died. 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: And I don't really understand why Priscilla's son is involved 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: in any of this when it comes to Elvis as 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: a state, because that's her son from a different marriage, 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 3: like so he's not even related to Elvis. 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm starting to get the impression that Priscilla might be 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: like maybe you're gonna think like, oh, doll, when I 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: say this, is she kind of like toxic? 59 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: Listen? 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: That would break my heart because like I've always growing 61 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: up and like she's just so cool and such a 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: fashion icon and everything. But I think that all this 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: information's coming out, and especially Lisa Marie's memoir did not 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: paint her in a good lay. I mean, that was 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: one of the saddest books I've ever read in my life, 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: and I think it really opened our eyes to how 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: these really famous people can present themselves in public and 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: what's going on behind the scenes. So I am thinking 69 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: there's issues, and then you know, there was a big 70 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: lawsuit going on between Priscilla and Riley Keo over the estate, 71 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: and it's like, you're in a lawsuit with your granddaughter 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: over your ex husband's estate, Like it just seems like 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: so unnecessary. 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: I think that she's that this Riley chick is like 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: emotionally drained by her grandmother, like like she's just going 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: along mind in her own business and now it's like, 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: oh cool, thanks, now you're now I'm in the news 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: saying that whether it's true or not, that like, if 79 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: it's true, they obviously didn't want people to know because 80 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: nobody knew about it, And if it's not true, then 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: it's slander. Like it's just kind of and it's all 82 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: stems from like Grandma once again, get like being greedy 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: and drama and everything like that. 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't really understand the point of all 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 3: this fighting, and like I guess if you want to argue, 86 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: like Priscilla did put in her time with Elvis and 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: he was very difficult, kind of a predator. I mean, 88 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: she was like fourteen years old when they started dating, 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: which is disgusting. But like, I don't know, I think 90 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: it's weird to fight over dumb things like this and 91 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: you should just focus on being a family, especially when 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: there was a loss like Lisa Marie Presley. It just 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: seems crazy. 94 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: But like, I don't. 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: Really know what the big deal with the egg donation 96 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: is if if that is true, people do it all 97 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: the time and it's not uncommon to ask somebody you 98 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: know to donate soar sperm or egg. 99 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: So this is the question I have because it said 100 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: that John Travolta had had they were having trouble having 101 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a baby and they needed an egg donor is that 102 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: for all of their kids? Because then I have a question, 103 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: well who do the other two kids belong to? Because 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: they said that they actually were in possession of Lisa 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: Marie's eggs for a while and decided not to use 106 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: them anymore because of her drug habits, and that's when 107 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: the daughter decided to step in to do it seems 108 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: a little It just seems a little off, but like 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: like Hollywood people do weird shit, so I wouldn't put 110 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: anything past them. 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this story has like a million different 112 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: layers you could peel back. I mean, I also think 113 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: it's curious with the history of like Nicole Kidman and 114 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, Like allegedly she wasn't she was going through 115 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: fertility issues and wasn't allowed to go through IVF and 116 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: that's why they had to adopt their children. And I 117 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: don't know if that's because of the religion or personal 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: choice or whatever. So if it was tied to the religion, 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if that transferred over to John Travolta, Like, 120 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what goes on over there. I just 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: think it's interesting to talk about, and like, I don't 122 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: think this is salacious as they're trying to make it 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 3: seem like who cares if she donated her eggs. She 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: made the choice and she did it. It's not like 125 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: when you're a guy and you just go in the 126 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: bathroom and ejaculate into a cup. I mean, she had 127 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: to undergo a procedure to get it done, so it's 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: not like as easy and because. 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: And take a bunch of drugs for a while to 130 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: stimulate your ovaries and things like that. So I think 131 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: that Kelly probably, I mean, I could say that there's 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: definitely two potential reasons why, on top of many that 133 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: she might not have been able to have kids or 134 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to have her own natural kids. It's because 135 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: number one, we know that she died of breast cancer 136 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: when she was only fifty seven years old. There was 137 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: not much information released about that, so we don't know 138 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: if she had a genetic variant. But sometimes people that 139 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: know that they're testing positive for some of these genes, 140 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: they just don't want to pass it on to their children, 141 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: So that's a possibility. And then number two, if they 142 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: decided after Jet their sixteen year old who died, they 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: wanted to have another baby. He seems like they said 144 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: he had Kawasaki's disease, which is inflammation of the blood 145 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: vessels and stuff. Don't I don't really know if that's 146 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: the case. He could have had it as a kid, 147 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: but that's not something that usually follows into teenagehood. So 148 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: he had something else going on along with reportedly like 149 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: intellectual disabilities and stuff. So obviously they don't release all 150 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: his medical information. I don't know, but is it possible 151 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: that he had a genetic condition as well? And maybe 152 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: they were just like, you know what, like let's just 153 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: go with someone else to have this kid because we 154 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: don't want to risk whatever. It's just total And they 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: said she only had the breast cancer for two years, 156 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: but we don't know about that either. Maybe she hadn't 157 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: she was undergoing treatment and didn't want to get pregnant again. 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: Like we just don't know, So it is likely. I 159 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: mean that happens all the time that people just have 160 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: to do IBF forget egg donors and stuff. So we 161 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: just don't know if it's true. I just think it's 162 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of caddy that they even are trying to like 163 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: she's the innocent want sitting over there and getting involved 164 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: with her grandma's drama, you know. 165 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if she made that choice, like why does 166 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: all her shit gotta be out there? You know, like 167 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: she made the choice. She was an adult when she 168 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: made the choice. I also think it's weird because on 169 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 3: YouTube last week, we had talked about a similar story 170 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: where this woman had sued Billy ray Cyrus, claiming that 171 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: when she was twelve, she gave birth to Miley Cyrus 172 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: and then entered into this private adoption agreement with he 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 3: and Tish, and then she was saying as part of 174 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: the agreement, she would get to name the baby, work 175 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 3: as her nanny and be her piano teacher. But they 176 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: broke that agreement. So, like, I think anybody that's seen Tish, 177 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: who we know as Miley's biological mother, and Miley's side 178 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: by side, there's no denying there related they look like 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: identical twins. 180 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I know, it's it is annoying, and you do have 181 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: to remember that celebrities get our targets for this kind 182 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: of crap. But I would think that if someone was 183 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: making an outrageous claim like that, that Riley Keo could 184 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: be like, I'm suing you for slander right now. And 185 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: we haven't heard any of that either, So yeah, I mean, 186 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: she might not want to, she might not want to 187 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: deal with it or whatever. But like, because because it's 188 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: just like it is, like who cares, Like it's just 189 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: annoying that you're gonna just try to, you know, take 190 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: someone down for that. 191 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I wanted to say, like, at the same time, 192 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: you could say, yeah, she definitely could sue them for defamation, 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: and maybe she's not because maybe it's true. But also 194 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: if it's not true, she could just be like, I'm 195 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: tired of being roped into my grandmom's legal mishaps, Like 196 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: I just want to ignore this because, as we know, 197 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 3: if she just blows it off, it's gonna go away eventually, 198 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: and if she sees, it's gonna be in the news 199 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: for five years. 200 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. 201 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: I feel like if I was her, I'd just be like, 202 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: I don't even care, because who does care. She didn't 203 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: do anything. 204 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Wrong, No, I know it is. It's a nothing burger, 205 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: all right. Let's get into this sauna fire. 206 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: So in Japan, a couple was in a sauna when 207 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: a fire broke out. They couldn't get out due to 208 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 3: a faulty door handle, and they died. 209 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: So it's really. 210 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: Important to do an autopsy in a case like this. 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: They did say, so they haven't fully come out with 212 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: what they said exactly happened, but they did say that 213 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the police noticed that they had burns on their body, 214 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: but they didn't think it was consistent with burns that 215 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: would have killed them, which means to me that something 216 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: killed them. First, and then they were in the fire 217 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: and they got burned on their bodies a little bit 218 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: before their bodies were found. Now, in a situation like this, 219 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: it's important to do an autopsy because we don't know 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: what happened. Like it appears that they were stuck inside 221 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: of the sauna. The firefighters tried to get in and 222 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: the other side of the door handle was on the floor, 223 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: which means it broke. The alarm that they were trying 224 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: to push to get help was not connected to electricity. 225 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: All of that indicates that they were in there and 226 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: they didn't want to be in there, and they were 227 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: trying to get out. So but you still don't know, 228 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: like was that guy you know, did he stab her 229 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: and then kill himself. Did they both take drugs? Did 230 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: they there's there's so many different things that could have happened. 231 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,119 Speaker 1: Was it was it an accident? What was it carbon monoxide? 232 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: Which is probably likely the case if they were innocently 233 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: just sitting in there and they got locked in there, 234 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: that that's probably what happened. That they had a carbon 235 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning. You would be able to see that on 236 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: external autopsity. The live remortis is a different color, and 237 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: also the organs are very they're just they have a 238 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: more red color. The muscle when you cut it has 239 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: a red color. But most importantly, you could do blood 240 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: levels to see what the carbon monoxide levels were at 241 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: the time of the person's death, and that will really 242 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: help determine. And also, of course you could see if 243 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: the person was alive or not when the fire started 244 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: by looking for soot inside of the airway, So all 245 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: of those different things and then they'll be able to 246 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: determine how they died. But God, this place, this was 247 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: like a place that specialized in saunas, like you went 248 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: there to go in a sauna. 249 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: And concerningly, an employee is saying that basically they got 251 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: an inspection in twenty twenty three and passed it no problem, 252 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: and then since then, this emergency system has just like 253 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: basically been unplugged, like it's just not working. The electricity 254 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: doesn't work with it. So not only did they have 255 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: this fire, but the safety prevention measure that's in there 256 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: wasn't working and gave them no chance to get out. 257 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: And also when they went in there, they were saying 258 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: the door handle was. 259 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: On the floor. 260 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean the family members of them definitely 261 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: will have some kind of a lawsuit of it's if 262 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: it was negligence on their part and it was a 263 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: malfunction of the actual the place itself that was housing 264 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: the sauna, or the company that had the sauna. I mean, 265 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: it just sounds absolutely terrifying to be locked inside of 266 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: a sauna and not being able to get out because 267 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: that feeling of just being too hot. I mean, think 268 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: about how gross it feels when you're in bed and 269 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: your blankets are too hot and you want to kick 270 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: them off because you feel like you're suffocating. Well, imagine 271 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: that time's a thousand, Like, it must just be a 272 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: terrible death. 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: Really, I literally can't. This sounds absolutely her like. 274 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully they did have carbon monoxide poisoning and they passed 275 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: out relatively quickly and didn't experience much stress as far 276 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: as that's concerned. 277 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: Okay, a family was on vacation in Florida and while 278 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: a father was holding his one year old baby in 279 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: the hot up, he fell asleep, causing her to fall 280 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: in and drown. 281 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess the number one rule is that. 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing too. This These people 283 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: were from DC and they were visiting an airbnb and 284 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: we've been this so many of them where like they 285 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: have hot tubs. It's like it's an appealing thing, especially 286 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: for people that don't have hot tubs, to be like, 287 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is something cool we could do 288 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: on vacation. And it's really unfortunate because this family is 289 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: a young family. This baby that died was only one 290 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: and the other one was like six months old. They're 291 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: like Irish twins. 292 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: I mean, this is probably gonna be a dumb question, 293 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: but like, are babies even allowed to go in hot tubs? 294 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: No, this is what I'm trying. You definitely should not 295 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: go on a hot tub when you were pregnant. 296 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: No, that's like, oh that's like that's like on every 297 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: list they give you. 298 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: It is, so you're not supposed to do it when 299 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: you're pregnant. You're not supposed to put a baby in 300 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: there at all. That's under I would. I would personally say, 301 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: like a kid shouldn't even go in there until they're 302 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: like actually a kid like four or five years old, 303 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: and even if they go in there, they should be 304 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: in there for like five minutes. Seriously, like the it 305 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: kid really raise their body temperature too high, but for babies, 306 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: they still can't regulate great. So it's just like you 307 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: should just never ever have a baby in a hot tub. 308 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: I just think that a lot of people think it's 309 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: like a swimming pool or a bath. They just because 310 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: it's not so hot that it would burn their skin 311 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: per se. They just don't really think about it. And 312 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: of course they're on vacation and the dad was having 313 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: some drinks and the mom was in the bedroom put 314 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: in the other kid to bed. I mean, having two 315 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: babies sucks. Trust me, I've done it. So I think 316 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: that I think it just was just like this terrible 317 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: combination of stuff, and it sucks because this guy like 318 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: got arrested and he feels terrible about it, like he 319 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: wasn't in you know, he. 320 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: Wasn't just having some drinks. He also admitted to taking 321 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: two narcotics also in addition to drinking alcohol before getting 322 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: in the hot tub. 323 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: With the baby. 324 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: Well, listen, unfortunately, like I understand, like I wouldn't be 325 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: doing that, right, But this is what like a lot 326 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: of people do. They're just like, oh, I'm gonna take 327 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: a percocet and have a drink and relax on the 328 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: like it's just a bunch of dumb shit. 329 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: But do that on your own time, not when you're 330 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: like responsible for caregiving for a child. 331 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it sucks. So the guy goes 332 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: into the hot tub with the kid, and which is 333 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: even this isn't even like a more unusual circumstance. But 334 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: he fell asleep for like fifteen or twenty minutes and 335 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: woke up and the kid was floating face down in 336 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: the water because the kid drowned. The kid drowned. Actually 337 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't even a hyperthermia situation the kid. The kid 338 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: drowned because it's a baby that was in water and 339 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: didn't know how to swim. And the whole entire thing 340 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: of it is just is just super terrible. I mean, like, 341 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: especially when you're taking care of like little babies like that, 342 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: you should try to be sober. But like people do, 343 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like people do this all the time. This 344 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: isn't like a you know, I personally know people that 345 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: do stuff like this. It's just it is what it is. 346 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: You know. 347 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: But unfortunately this terrible act didn't happened and like on 348 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: vacation and now the dad's was in jail. I mean, 349 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: the thing is is that. When I look at this, 350 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, how is that any different from 351 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: the dad that we were talking about over the past 352 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: couple years that had just had a baby and a 353 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: toddler and the wife was out with her friends, having 354 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: a dinner with her friends, and he was in the 355 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: house sports betting and the kid was outside and drowned 356 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: in the pool. He didn't go to jail for that, 357 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: And like, what's the difference? Kind of Well, I. 358 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: Guess because sports betting is not illegal as taking narcotics is. 359 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: So they probably just got them on a loophole like that. 360 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we don't, but we don't even know, 361 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: Like the narcotics might not be He might have an 362 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: injury and be legally have a prescription for them, so 363 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: then they wouldn't be considered illegal. 364 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're neglectfully using them by drinking alcohol with 365 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: them when you're not supposed to. So I'm sure they 366 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: get him on something like that. 367 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know the reasoning. 368 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: I think they're both equal lead terrible offenses, But it 369 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: depends the jurisdiction it happened, you know, there's a million factors. 370 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just glad, like stories like this come out, 371 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: and because I think that a lot of people just 372 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: don't think about certain things and how things that seemingly 373 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: like don't are aren't gonna be a big deal can 374 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: turn out to like ruin your life. And it happened 375 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: to this guy, this whole couple. Like I mean, think 376 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: about this, like you're you're you're in a couple, and 377 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: you have two little babies and you're looking forward to 378 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: your life and then all of a sudden, one of 379 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: your babies is dead, and and the guy's in jail, 380 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: like it's just terrible, and he feels I mean, he 381 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: feels terrible about it. It's not that that I mean, 382 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: that has to be the worst thing. It's like when 383 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: you when you kill your kid because you're being neglectful 384 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: and not actually intending to do it. I mean, it's 385 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: he's going to get punished for it, But I just 386 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: hope it could teach other people not to do things 387 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: like that. 388 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room. 389 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: So in the Gross Room, we actually have a post 390 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: about a sauna death, except this time it was like 391 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five degrees and a person just 392 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: was stuck in there and died had some kind of 393 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: a heart condition, But you could see what happens when 394 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: a person is in a sauna for a couple of 395 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: days unattended, and it's a really interesting That post is 396 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: called well done. We also this week, so we started 397 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: over the course of the next couple of weeks, are 398 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: having a two part series on Brian Walsh's trial and 399 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: Anna Walsh, who was his wife, who this was the 400 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: one that we've talked about a couple times that had 401 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: the incriminating Google searches. So we really dive deep into 402 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: that case, go over all of the different things that 403 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: were found with evidence, and just how on earth you 404 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: could have no body. We don't know how the person died. 405 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: We don't know if they were killed, they died of 406 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: an accident or anything, but somehow this guy was accused 407 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: and tried and convicted of murdering her. So it's just 408 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: really interesting to do an autopsy without actually having a body. 409 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: All that and more in the Grossroom. 410 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: Head over to the Groceryroom dot com now to sign up. 411 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so this next story has to do with a 412 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: hospital losing a piece of a person's skull. 413 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: So this hospital allegedly lost a chunk of a patient's 414 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: skull and then thought they could make up for it 415 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: by offering her a twenty five dollars gas gift card. 416 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: Like what, who did? How did this happen? 417 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: Like, all right, let's talk about what happened. So she 418 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: had a stroke, went to the hospital, and they did 419 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: a procedure on her called a dig compressive right hemicranyactomy. 420 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: So sometimes when you have a stroke or any kind 421 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: of brain injury, your brain swells right, and your brain 422 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: is in this hard shell of a skull, and there's 423 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: barely any space for it to swell. So like let's say, 424 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: for example, someone hits your arm with a baseball bat 425 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: and it gets really swollen. Like your arm could swell 426 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: pretty big because there's a lot of room for it 427 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: to get bigger, but your brain doesn't really have anywhere 428 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: to go. So when this happens, when you go to 429 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: the hospital, they cut out a chunk of your skull 430 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: in order for the brain to be able to swell 431 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: and get bigger. And then once the swelling goes down, 432 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: they put that piece of the skull back on and 433 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: put little plates on it to keep it on, and 434 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: all is good. They want to do that. They want 435 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: to use the patient's actual skull because it fits in 436 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: there like a puzzle number one, it fits perfect number two. 437 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: It's your own tissue. It's not a foreign body. And 438 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: as we talk about multiple times on this show, when 439 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: you have any kind of a foreign body placed into 440 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: your body because of surgery, there's a chance that your 441 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: body is going to attack it because it doesn't like 442 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: foreign materilla in your body, and you could get a 443 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: lot of complications because of that. So usually what they 444 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: do is they take out this during the craniotomy, which 445 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: just means cutting into the skull. They take out this 446 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: piece of skull and they put it somewhere like in 447 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: in a special freezer. Sometimes they do something really weird, 448 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: which is they cut an incision in the abdomen and 449 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: they stick it under the person's skin and just leave 450 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: it there. It's really really weird. They didn't do that 451 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: with her obviously. They they send it wherever they're going 452 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: to normally send it, and it got lost and switched 453 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: with another person's specimen somehow, which listen like, I've worked 454 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: in elab my half of my life, and like it happens. Unfortunately, 455 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: it's not often. 456 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also said the patient had a similar name. Yeah. 457 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: I mean, like listen, like just shit happens sometimes and 458 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: it gets really crazy in the ors sometimes. But we've 459 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: had times where we got specimens from the operating room 460 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: that were labeled wrong. So whatever happened, Like, we got 461 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: skull caps in pathology fairly often. I mean, we had 462 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: a neuroscience building attached to our hospitals, so sometimes we 463 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: got things. But you know, we would keep them and 464 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: we would just do a gross exam of them, so 465 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: we would look at them and describe them, measure them, 466 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: say if they were normal. Sometimes they had plates attached 467 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: to them, sometimes not, and then we would just put 468 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: them in the refrigerator and just you know, we kept 469 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: them there or whatever. So we weren't and we would 470 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: keep them for like a while, for a month or 471 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: something before we would get rid of them, right, So 472 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: I guess in that situation though, when there's a switch up, 473 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: you just don't know whose is what. It just it 474 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: just could cause a lot of problems. So they just said, Okay, 475 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: you're just going to have to get a foreign body, 476 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: and luckily like that's available, so it's not the end 477 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: of the world. Sometimes people just can't get their bone 478 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: replaced anyway, so they have these this foreign like titanium plate. 479 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: Remember Uncle Eddie and Christmas vacation, like knocking on his head, right, Yeah, 480 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: he had a plate over the top of his head, 481 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: So you could do that. But then, like I said, 482 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: there's just an increased risk of having infections and having 483 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: it not fit properly and and just like different things 484 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: like that, and of course your body rejecting it. But 485 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: there's plenty of people that have titanium plates that are fine, right, 486 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: So I guess I guess the weird part of this 487 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: story really is that they did they did mess up, 488 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and they did admit to it, and they were just like, 489 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: all right, well, we're just gonna give you this guess 490 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: card for your troubles kind of thing. And I don't know, 491 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: like the titanium is like luckily she could have the 492 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: whole cover, but it's not the same as the bone. 493 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: And since they threw out the bone and mixed it 494 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: up with another patient, I don't really know what lawsuit 495 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna have unless she can prove that she has 496 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: lasting effects because of this. So let's say she gets 497 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: the titanium plate and it doesn't her body rejects it 498 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: and she has like recurrent infections and abscesses and stuff 499 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: like that. Then she could do and be like I've 500 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: had all this needless surgery and pain and suffering, plus 501 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, all of my additional medical bills. But like, 502 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: if she gets this done and never has a problem again, 503 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't really see, Like I don't see the lawsuit, 504 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: but but I don't know. 505 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is acceptable. 506 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: I understand the switching of body parts right, and that 507 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: there could be a mix up. 508 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: What I can't. 509 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 3: Understand is whose decision it was to give a twenty 510 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: five dollars gas gift card, because like, not only is 511 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 3: that so rando, but like also twenty five dollars gets 512 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: you like half a tank of gas, depending where you live. 513 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: It's really it's more I don't think I don't think 514 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: it matters where you live at this point. I think 515 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: it that's unreasonable to twenty five dollars will fill it 516 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: out a tank of like a motorcycle. 517 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: I feel the offering of the gift card was more 518 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: offensive than if they just didn't offer them anything. 519 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, like who is on their their hospitality board at 520 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: that hospital because they're certainly should get fired. They're the 521 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: ones that should get fired for this. So yeah, I mean, 522 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: like I understand completely suing a hospital and everything if 523 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: there's a major mix up that can that really affects 524 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: a person's life or especially kills a person. But in 525 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: this particular situation, I feel, I don't know, I don't 526 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: know that it's one hundred percent necessary. It just it 527 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: seems like more newsworthy because of the the gift. 528 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: It's so rather offense. 529 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: It really is like they I mean, they have to 530 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: tell the patient because they're they're putting in this, they're 531 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: putting in a foreign thing. But listen, like there's been 532 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: a couple times that we've gotten some big screw ups 533 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: on specimens in the labs that I've worked at, and 534 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's conversations that have to go on 535 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: with people that you have to tell them what happened, right, 536 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know how they handle it because you know. 537 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: Okay, So a family issuing a mortuary after they gave 538 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: the family this bag which the family believed was their 539 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: son's clothes, only to discover it was his brain. When 540 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: they emptied the bag into their washing machine. 541 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is just this is beyond incompetence. 542 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know where because this is like not a 543 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: weird situation. So the son died and the father said, Okay, 544 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't want him to be buried in what he's wearing. 545 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: I want to bring something else for you to put 546 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: on him, which is that happens all the time, right. 547 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: They hand him a bag with his belongings in it, 548 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: which is also standard. We do it at the hospital too, 549 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Like if a person comes in the hospital wearing clothes 550 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: and stuff and they die, you know, they're not a 551 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: hospital patient. They haven't even had time to see their 552 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: family or anything. We get a bag of belongings that 553 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: we send along with them to the funeral home. This 554 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: is like totally standard stuff. Where it gets crazy is 555 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: that they hand the family a red biohazard bag and 556 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: tell them this is the this is your son's clothes. 557 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: This is exactly why red biohazard bags are red bright 558 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: red because they should be specifically used for biohazard. 559 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: Now they consider the clothes biohazard. 560 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Depending on his exactly, they could potentially I don't know 561 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: what they do in a funeral home, but that's I 562 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: don't know, I personally would think that you would put 563 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: it into a different kind of a bag because I 564 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: just I don't think that if they were truly deemed biohazard, 565 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: like technically you shouldn't even really be giving them back 566 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to the patient, right, And I mean, I guess if 567 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: a person dies in it, there could be like decomp 568 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: juice and fluids and everything like that. But I mean, 569 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you guys are listening 570 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: at our funeral home. I just think that it would 571 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: be weird to give a family closed in a biohazard bag. 572 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: And and for this reason, so because this is how 573 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: this terrible mix up happened. So they didn't even think 574 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: anything of it because they didn't even know that their son. 575 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: They knew he had an autopsy, but they didn't even 576 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: know that they examined his brain. So the dad had 577 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: just not thought of it. And you get this bag 578 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: and it's in a biohazard bag, and you know that 579 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: your son died in it, and they probably any people 580 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do to memorize their kid. 581 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: Like I personally don't know that I would want to 582 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: keep the stuff that was soiled and like wash it 583 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: and put it aside. Maybe I don't know, but regardless, 584 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: they decided to do that. And he opens the bag 585 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: and dumps it into the washing machine and like a 586 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: decomposing brain like plops out in his washing machine. Then 587 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: he has to go in his washing machine and scoop 588 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: up his son's brain and put it back in the 589 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: bag and bring it back to the funeral home. Like, 590 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but this is just completely out of control. 591 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: It's just so out of control on so many levels. 592 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't even understand how this happened. 593 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: Well, the worst part of this is this is not 594 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 3: even the first story like this we've covered since starting 595 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: the show two years ago. I think we've actually had 596 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: three that were like this. 597 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have, and we've had like but they've gotten 598 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: like a container with the brain in it, I mean, 599 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: which is just terrible as well. I just think that 600 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: this is just like this whole other level of like 601 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: just because I know what this looks like to think 602 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: about that being your child's It's just it's something this 603 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: guy could I mean, like, you ruined the rest of 604 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: this guy's life like this, this is something How is 605 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: he ever gonna get that out of his mind? That vision? Well, 606 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's just absolutely terrible. 607 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: You know. It's really discussing too. 608 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 3: Is they're saying they dumped it in the machine and 609 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: they didn't know what it was, so they scooped it 610 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: back out and put it back in the bag and 611 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: brought it back to the funeral home, and that's when 612 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: they told them. I mean, they had to have known 613 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: what it was, like, well, they knew it was I 614 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: don't think they knew it was brain, Like yeah, I mean, 615 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: because listen, like a decomposed brain is is it looks 616 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: like vomit or soup. It's like a weird gray soup 617 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: he called. 618 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 619 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: Like they had to have known it was something obviously 620 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 3: coming from the body, but they didn't know exactly what 621 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: it was. But they're sewing and I think rightfully. So 622 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is completely unacceptable. 623 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is like you just couldn't even 624 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: make this up as a story. If you tried, nobody 625 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: would believe it. They would just be like, oh, that's 626 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: so outrageous. This would never even happen. It's so messed up. Man. 627 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: I just I can't. I just feel so terrible for 628 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: this father, I really do. I mean, listen, like you 629 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: should never be bearing your children anyway, So it's already 630 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: just like heart wrenching to have to do something like this. 631 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't even they don't even really say how old 632 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: the guy was or why he died or anything, right 633 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: at least in this particular article, but like, who cares 634 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: you're burying your son. It's definitely like one of the 635 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: worst days, if not the worst day of your life 636 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: as it is, and no person should ever have to 637 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: be holding their child's brain matter in their hand. Like 638 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: the smell of it, the sight of it, the knowledge 639 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: of it, I mean, all of it is just so awful. 640 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: It's just so so awful traumatic, just so traumatic. 641 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: Well, in that somber note, we hope you guys have 642 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: merry Christmas. We are thankful that you guys have been 643 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: listening to us all year. We hope you've enjoyed the 644 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: episodes we've been putting out lately, and we have some 645 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: fun ones lined up for the new year. 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