Speaker 1: Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions
Speaker 1: came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,
Speaker 1: but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,
Speaker 1: and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast
Speaker 1: shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: This is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Here at Q Clearance, we've spoken a lot about the
Speaker 1: way in which Q and On is evolving. We've covered
Speaker 1: everything from their deranged post election theories to the neo
Speaker 1: Nazi Q and on components rapidly emerging. What I want
Speaker 1: to do for a bit in this episode, though, is
Speaker 1: to take it one step further theoretically, at least, let's
Speaker 1: imagine a world where somehow Q and On was actually
Speaker 1: real and legitimate. What they think is happening is happening.
Speaker 1: Imagine that we were all wrong and they were all right.
Speaker 1: Let's imagine this nightmare for a second, that they managed
Speaker 1: to take over and overthrow enough of the current US
Speaker 1: order to realize they're much wanted. Revolution after a revolution
Speaker 1: and economic system must be implemented, right well, Q and
Speaker 1: On even has one of those. It's something called nas Sarah.
Speaker 1: We'll get onto that, but just imagine for a minute
Speaker 1: what would have to happen for the Q and On
Speaker 1: to get to that point where they are able to
Speaker 1: implement this economic reform system. Now, the following will obviously
Speaker 1: be a fictional dramatization, but remember this is actually all
Speaker 1: based on the ideas of Q and On's themselves ols
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell after two or more
Speaker 1: years researching this phenomenon, their storm would look something like this.
Speaker 1: Thousands of highly trained US military cells loyal to Donald
Speaker 1: Trump begins storming federal government buildings across the US. Any
Speaker 1: politician that's a Democrats or even a Republican that hasn't
Speaker 1: completely backed Q a so called rhino, is arrested and
Speaker 1: taken away in a truck. The vote or ideas of
Speaker 1: Democrats across the US are posted online and Q and
Speaker 1: On supporters are given arms to round them up. The
Speaker 1: White House is stormed by Q and On militias with
Speaker 1: the help of Trump's secret US military cells. Biden is
Speaker 1: shot on site. However, Kamala Harris has managed to escape
Speaker 1: due to her connections within the police force. Trump emerges
Speaker 1: from a chopper landing in the Rose Garden, ready for action.
Speaker 1: He marches into the Oval Office as hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of Q and On supporters scream with excitement our aside.
Speaker 1: The windows are rattling. Meanwhile, voting machines across the country
Speaker 1: are torched, and every Clinton family residence is stormed. It
Speaker 1: takes a while, as there are so many and they're
Speaker 1: so huge, but eventually Hillary two is rounded up as
Speaker 1: the US burns, Q flags are hoisted up over every
Speaker 1: federal building left standing. Anyone who is considered slightly liberal
Speaker 1: is accused of being an ANTIFAR terrorist and is shot
Speaker 1: or arrested. TV networks are stormed without warning by O
Speaker 1: A n N stormtroopers. Anyone who isn't willing to immediately
Speaker 1: pledge allegiance to Trump's coup and the reign of Q
Speaker 1: and On is again either executed or arrested. TV networks
Speaker 1: are taken over entirely by an emergency live system telling
Speaker 1: the whole of the US that Trump is back and
Speaker 1: Q was in fact real. On this system, on every
Speaker 1: screen across the nation, live footage can be seen of
Speaker 1: the gallows being erected on the lawn outside the White House.
Speaker 1: There are dozens of rows of them. As this happens,
Speaker 1: the laws of a standing kangaroo corp are read out
Speaker 1: by Lynn Wood in the top hat. Everyone screams treason
Speaker 1: at the end of each sentence. The Q special forces
Speaker 1: units arrive in large military trucks, guns drawn. They lead
Speaker 1: a steady line of quivering politicians to the nooses. The
Speaker 1: crowds cheer where we go, on we go all it
Speaker 1: can be heard booming everywhere. The politicians are hanged. The
Speaker 1: country is now cues. Now. I know that sounded a
Speaker 1: little bit over dramatic, but I think it's important to
Speaker 1: hear it that way, because ultimately, this is the same
Speaker 1: sort of fever dream many of the Q followers have
Speaker 1: been fantasizing about now for years now. It might not
Speaker 1: happen that quickly, but in their minds, the true Q
Speaker 1: and onbelievers think all of the afore mentioned in that
Speaker 1: little story is ready to happen at any moment. So
Speaker 1: after this theoretical Q and On overthrow, what economic system
Speaker 1: would keep the Q followers thriving. Well, they've thought of
Speaker 1: that too, As I mentioned, It's something called Nassarah n
Speaker 1: a s a A. The concept has actually been around
Speaker 1: much longer than Q. But as we all know by now,
Speaker 1: Q and On likes to pull at threads from many
Speaker 1: different theories and ideas, amalgamating it, putting its own spin
Speaker 1: on it, and turning it into something quite original, if
Speaker 1: not a bit evil. So Nasarah. Recently on the Q
Speaker 1: and on Telegram channels, I've seen Nassara mentioned. More and
Speaker 1: more people are saying when will Nassara star? How can
Speaker 1: I live within the Nassara economic system? What will Nassara
Speaker 1: reforms do for me? That sort of thing. So I
Speaker 1: spoke to Travis's view of the excellent Q and Non
Speaker 1: Anonymous podcasts. I wanted him to explain to us what
Speaker 1: the hell Nassara actually is. Um maybe you can just
Speaker 1: explain what actually is Nasara. Yeah, Nassara is kind of
Speaker 1: like a proto Q and On, and it started out
Speaker 1: fairly instantly. Um So, all the way back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: there was a man named Harvey and Francis Bernard, and
Speaker 1: he came up with these proposed economic reforms that they
Speaker 1: called the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, or NASSARA,
Speaker 1: and he printed out copies of these reforms and sent
Speaker 1: them to members of Congress, and of course they all
Speaker 1: ignored it because it just really wasn't the plausible. These
Speaker 1: uh these economic reforms involved things like abolishing the income
Speaker 1: tax in favor of sales tax um, also abolishing a
Speaker 1: sort of compound interest on some securities, and also uh
Speaker 1: returning to so bi metallic currency that's sort of the
Speaker 1: gold and silver standard. However, um he also uh Harvey
Speaker 1: France Bernard also produced a book about his reforms called
Speaker 1: Draining the Swamp finitely enough. But you know, it would
Speaker 1: have probably just sort of been lost the history if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the fact that some people, like around
Speaker 1: two thousand, they started to get the idea that uh
Speaker 1: nos Sara has been passed secretly by Congress. No, obviously
Speaker 1: that's not how laws work. Laws can't be passed secretly,
Speaker 1: But they got this idea um thanks to a woman
Speaker 1: named Shanny Goodwin who operated by the name Dove of
Speaker 1: Oneness online and Shandy good when she she herself has
Speaker 1: an interesting history. She um she has some involvement with
Speaker 1: some uh sort of some the some cults up in
Speaker 1: Washington State, and she also fell for what they called
Speaker 1: the Omega trust scam which was which was operated run
Speaker 1: by the scammer named Clyde Hood, who claimed that people
Speaker 1: gave him some money they could, you know, fifty times
Speaker 1: or five thousand times it um. So what happened is
Speaker 1: that she started getting a following talking about the Omega Trust,
Speaker 1: claiming that the money that that all these basically all
Speaker 1: these dupes, all these marks uh thought was coming to
Speaker 1: them was going to happen soon. And she kept promising
Speaker 1: and promising and promising. Of course it didn't happen. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Clyde Hood, you know, he gets arrested, he fell and uh,
Speaker 1: and so he can't run that scam anymore. But she
Speaker 1: had a good one. She keeps her audience going by
Speaker 1: claiming that this Nassara bill was going to be revealed soon,
Speaker 1: and she added a lot of bizarre our claims, such
Speaker 1: as that after Nassara is revealed, it would lead to
Speaker 1: worldwide economic prosperity just everyone is incredibly wealthy, and also
Speaker 1: world peace and uh. She claimed that that you know
Speaker 1: that there there's this battle going on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: between what they called like the White Knights and the
Speaker 1: Black Knights, and they thought that the only reason that
Speaker 1: this this uh, the secret law isn't being revealed? Was
Speaker 1: because of this this battle right, very cut and on like, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it is extremely Q and On like. It also involved
Speaker 1: she when the eleven happened, she she integrated that. She
Speaker 1: claimed that basically there was some sort of computer in
Speaker 1: the Twin Towers that would make the Sara official. But
Speaker 1: but the the planes crashing into the Twin Towers helped
Speaker 1: ruined it. And that was the only reason that even
Speaker 1: the attacks of nine eleven happened. So how is it
Speaker 1: that Q and On ended up involved with this later? Well,
Speaker 1: Cumulon followers, they're also very utopian. They think that after
Speaker 1: the truth of all their conspiracy theories has finally revealed,
Speaker 1: we're going to enter into a grand new age of
Speaker 1: peace and prosperity and togetherness. And so as a consequence,
Speaker 1: many have absorbed the Nasara narrative as explaining how this
Speaker 1: supposed global prosperity is going to happen. Um. So this
Speaker 1: has been going on, you know, over twenty years now, right,
Speaker 1: So I've been seeing them saying that, like this is
Speaker 1: going to be like implemented. How how would that like,
Speaker 1: how does that into the qu On universe? Because obviously
Speaker 1: Q would have to implement you know, acques behind everything.
Speaker 1: How are they key in these two things up? So
Speaker 1: in the queuing on world, they often believe that um,
Speaker 1: things like poverty and war and um illness UM aren't
Speaker 1: caused by a complex set of social or just medical factors.
Speaker 1: They think that everything that's bad that goes on the
Speaker 1: world is because of the cabal. There's a secret group
Speaker 1: of people who want to extend the suffering of us
Speaker 1: common people. Um. And so they believe that um, you know,
Speaker 1: once this sort of the once these evil people are
Speaker 1: are done away with, and once the the evilness of
Speaker 1: these people is finally exposed, then we can sort of
Speaker 1: enter into the great new Golden Age. And so Nassara
Speaker 1: obviously plays into that because it plays upon them many
Speaker 1: of the same tropes, the belief that the only reason
Speaker 1: people are struggling for any reason is because that um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's because of this this evil cabal, right,
Speaker 1: and there is you see, so there's no SARA and
Speaker 1: there's Sara, right. Yes, this was another addition by the
Speaker 1: people who believed in the Sara. They thought that it
Speaker 1: wasn't merely a national economic uh security and Recovery Act.
Speaker 1: It was global the Global Economic Security Recovering Act. And uh,
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're um. As a consequence of this,
Speaker 1: there they're Nasara Jassara started getting a following in the Netherlands,
Speaker 1: actually became an international movement. Right, So how is life
Speaker 1: going to look for the Q and on do they
Speaker 1: think under this if this was actually happening, Like, how
Speaker 1: do they see that day today? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: it's a weird question. I'm just trying to get into
Speaker 1: my head what they think would happen. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they think that that literally that they're gonna open up
Speaker 1: their bank account one day and then discover that they're
Speaker 1: all millionaires and uh like that that no one's going
Speaker 1: to be poor anymore. And somehow, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think they quite um, you know, took how this would
Speaker 1: affect inflation or other kind of complex economic effects of
Speaker 1: everyone suddenly simultaneously becoming incredibly wealthy. Um. But this is
Speaker 1: essentially what they think is going to happen. I mean
Speaker 1: they really think that, um, once the truth is exposed,
Speaker 1: it will lead to the end of yeah, like poverty
Speaker 1: and conflict and even illness. Wow. And and there's no
Speaker 1: there's nothing concrete that this is based on other than
Speaker 1: what sound like predictions, to be honest, from the from
Speaker 1: the person you mentioned before we kind of started. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's fueled on nothing but hope and some like
Speaker 1: I said, some some vague economic proposals made by in
Speaker 1: a Texas engineer that never got any traction in Congress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds very cute and on. Um, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And I wanted to ask you as well, UM,
Speaker 1: while you're here, are you surprised how many followers there
Speaker 1: still are of Q on the tide agrams. There's hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people still invested invested in this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Maybe I was being naive. I
Speaker 1: was quite shocked to see how many people are still
Speaker 1: holding on. I'm unfortunately, I'm not surprised just because of
Speaker 1: how long I've been following it and and um, how
Speaker 1: often I've seen them weather false predictions. Uh. For example,
Speaker 1: all the way back in two thousand and eighteen, I
Speaker 1: saw Q tell Q and on followers that the midterm
Speaker 1: elections that year would lead to a red wave and
Speaker 1: meaning that the Republicans would like increase their UM. There
Speaker 1: are majorities and the Democrats would be shut out, and
Speaker 1: reality what happened was that Democrats took the house. I
Speaker 1: thought this was a clear false prediction that I thought
Speaker 1: it would dissuade quman On followers from continuing to believe.
Speaker 1: Of course, that didn't happen at all. So Ever, since then,
Speaker 1: I realized that a lot of these people they're simply
Speaker 1: too invested. They've invested too much time, They've sacrificed too much,
Speaker 1: They've sacrificed sometimes their family relationships, they've sacrifice their careers,
Speaker 1: um and so as a consequence of all that sacrifice,
Speaker 1: there's just there's actually really don't see a scenario in
Speaker 1: which they would just totally give it up. They really
Speaker 1: need us to happen. Trevis view the speaking about Nassara
Speaker 1: and the inability for q and On's to let go
Speaker 1: despite the many, many failed predictions. Like Trevis just said, there,
Speaker 1: these people need this to happen. They've invested so much
Speaker 1: time and energy into it that basically this has to
Speaker 1: happen for them, otherwise it has been a huge waste
Speaker 1: of time. Now, you and me, you might just think, well,
Speaker 1: if something fails, if it wasn't right, you kind of
Speaker 1: cut your losses and you leave that start. Well, No,
Speaker 1: for a lot of the Q and On supporters, things
Speaker 1: have got extremely dark. There are people whose whole families
Speaker 1: have been destroyed by this, and there is even the
Speaker 1: possibility that one woman was sent so insane by the
Speaker 1: Q and On mania that she actually committed to murders.
Speaker 1: We will be talking about that in the next episode
Speaker 1: of Q Clearance and looking into the ways that this
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory has done and continues to destroy people's lives.
Speaker 1: It's quite funny to look at some of the insane theories,
Speaker 1: especially looking at Nassarah as we just have. But genuinely,
Speaker 1: there is some very bad things happening here to people
Speaker 1: that believe in Q and On and the families and
Speaker 1: the people that are around them. More on that in
Speaker 1: the next episode. Q Clearance is brought to you by
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and cou Data Media. I'm Jake Hanrahan.
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Speaker 1: episode was produced by myself, with fact checking and additional
Speaker 1: research by Sarah Hiower. The music is by Sam Black
Speaker 1: and the sound was mixed by Thomas Griffin at splicing Block.