WEBVTT - QAnon’s Economic Utopia of Madness

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions

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<v Speaker 1>came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,

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<v Speaker 1>but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Here at Q Clearance, we've spoken a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>way in which Q and On is evolving. We've covered

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<v Speaker 1>everything from their deranged post election theories to the neo

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Q and on components rapidly emerging. What I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do for a bit in this episode, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>to take it one step further theoretically, at least, let's

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<v Speaker 1>imagine a world where somehow Q and On was actually

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<v Speaker 1>real and legitimate. What they think is happening is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that we were all wrong and they were all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's imagine this nightmare for a second, that they managed

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<v Speaker 1>to take over and overthrow enough of the current US

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<v Speaker 1>order to realize they're much wanted. Revolution after a revolution

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<v Speaker 1>and economic system must be implemented, right well, Q and

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<v Speaker 1>On even has one of those. It's something called nas Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get onto that, but just imagine for a minute

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<v Speaker 1>what would have to happen for the Q and On

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<v Speaker 1>to get to that point where they are able to

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<v Speaker 1>implement this economic reform system. Now, the following will obviously

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<v Speaker 1>be a fictional dramatization, but remember this is actually all

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<v Speaker 1>based on the ideas of Q and On's themselves ols

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell after two or more

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<v Speaker 1>years researching this phenomenon, their storm would look something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of highly trained US military cells loyal to Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump begins storming federal government buildings across the US. Any

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<v Speaker 1>politician that's a Democrats or even a Republican that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>completely backed Q a so called rhino, is arrested and

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<v Speaker 1>taken away in a truck. The vote or ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats across the US are posted online and Q and

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<v Speaker 1>On supporters are given arms to round them up. The

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<v Speaker 1>White House is stormed by Q and On militias with

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<v Speaker 1>the help of Trump's secret US military cells. Biden is

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<v Speaker 1>shot on site. However, Kamala Harris has managed to escape

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<v Speaker 1>due to her connections within the police force. Trump emerges

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<v Speaker 1>from a chopper landing in the Rose Garden, ready for action.

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<v Speaker 1>He marches into the Oval Office as hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Q and On supporters scream with excitement our aside.

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<v Speaker 1>The windows are rattling. Meanwhile, voting machines across the country

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<v Speaker 1>are torched, and every Clinton family residence is stormed. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes a while, as there are so many and they're

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<v Speaker 1>so huge, but eventually Hillary two is rounded up as

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<v Speaker 1>the US burns, Q flags are hoisted up over every

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<v Speaker 1>federal building left standing. Anyone who is considered slightly liberal

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<v Speaker 1>is accused of being an ANTIFAR terrorist and is shot

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<v Speaker 1>or arrested. TV networks are stormed without warning by O

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<v Speaker 1>A n N stormtroopers. Anyone who isn't willing to immediately

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<v Speaker 1>pledge allegiance to Trump's coup and the reign of Q

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<v Speaker 1>and On is again either executed or arrested. TV networks

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<v Speaker 1>are taken over entirely by an emergency live system telling

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<v Speaker 1>the whole of the US that Trump is back and

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<v Speaker 1>Q was in fact real. On this system, on every

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<v Speaker 1>screen across the nation, live footage can be seen of

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<v Speaker 1>the gallows being erected on the lawn outside the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>There are dozens of rows of them. As this happens,

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<v Speaker 1>the laws of a standing kangaroo corp are read out

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<v Speaker 1>by Lynn Wood in the top hat. Everyone screams treason

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of each sentence. The Q special forces

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<v Speaker 1>units arrive in large military trucks, guns drawn. They lead

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<v Speaker 1>a steady line of quivering politicians to the nooses. The

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<v Speaker 1>crowds cheer where we go, on we go all it

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<v Speaker 1>can be heard booming everywhere. The politicians are hanged. The

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<v Speaker 1>country is now cues. Now. I know that sounded a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit over dramatic, but I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>hear it that way, because ultimately, this is the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fever dream many of the Q followers have

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<v Speaker 1>been fantasizing about now for years now. It might not

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<v Speaker 1>happen that quickly, but in their minds, the true Q

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<v Speaker 1>and onbelievers think all of the afore mentioned in that

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<v Speaker 1>little story is ready to happen at any moment. So

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<v Speaker 1>after this theoretical Q and On overthrow, what economic system

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<v Speaker 1>would keep the Q followers thriving. Well, they've thought of

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<v Speaker 1>that too, As I mentioned, It's something called Nassarah n

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<v Speaker 1>a s a A. The concept has actually been around

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<v Speaker 1>much longer than Q. But as we all know by now,

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On likes to pull at threads from many

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<v Speaker 1>different theories and ideas, amalgamating it, putting its own spin

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and turning it into something quite original, if

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<v Speaker 1>not a bit evil. So Nasarah. Recently on the Q

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<v Speaker 1>and on Telegram channels, I've seen Nassara mentioned. More and

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<v Speaker 1>more people are saying when will Nassara star? How can

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<v Speaker 1>I live within the Nassara economic system? What will Nassara

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<v Speaker 1>reforms do for me? That sort of thing. So I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to Travis's view of the excellent Q and Non

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<v Speaker 1>Anonymous podcasts. I wanted him to explain to us what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell Nassara actually is. Um maybe you can just

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<v Speaker 1>explain what actually is Nasara. Yeah, Nassara is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a proto Q and On, and it started out

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<v Speaker 1>fairly instantly. Um So, all the way back in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a man named Harvey and Francis Bernard, and

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<v Speaker 1>he came up with these proposed economic reforms that they

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<v Speaker 1>called the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, or NASSARA,

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<v Speaker 1>and he printed out copies of these reforms and sent

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<v Speaker 1>them to members of Congress, and of course they all

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<v Speaker 1>ignored it because it just really wasn't the plausible. These

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<v Speaker 1>uh these economic reforms involved things like abolishing the income

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<v Speaker 1>tax in favor of sales tax um, also abolishing a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of compound interest on some securities, and also uh

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<v Speaker 1>returning to so bi metallic currency that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>gold and silver standard. However, um he also uh Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>France Bernard also produced a book about his reforms called

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<v Speaker 1>Draining the Swamp finitely enough. But you know, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have probably just sort of been lost the history if

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't for the fact that some people, like around

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, they started to get the idea that uh

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<v Speaker 1>nos Sara has been passed secretly by Congress. No, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that's not how laws work. Laws can't be passed secretly,

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<v Speaker 1>But they got this idea um thanks to a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Shanny Goodwin who operated by the name Dove of

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<v Speaker 1>Oneness online and Shandy good when she she herself has

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting history. She um she has some involvement with

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<v Speaker 1>some uh sort of some the some cults up in

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<v Speaker 1>Washington State, and she also fell for what they called

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<v Speaker 1>the Omega trust scam which was which was operated run

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<v Speaker 1>by the scammer named Clyde Hood, who claimed that people

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<v Speaker 1>gave him some money they could, you know, fifty times

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<v Speaker 1>or five thousand times it um. So what happened is

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<v Speaker 1>that she started getting a following talking about the Omega Trust,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that the money that that all these basically all

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<v Speaker 1>these dupes, all these marks uh thought was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>them was going to happen soon. And she kept promising

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<v Speaker 1>and promising and promising. Of course it didn't happen. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>Clyde Hood, you know, he gets arrested, he fell and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he can't run that scam anymore. But she

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<v Speaker 1>had a good one. She keeps her audience going by

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that this Nassara bill was going to be revealed soon,

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<v Speaker 1>and she added a lot of bizarre our claims, such

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<v Speaker 1>as that after Nassara is revealed, it would lead to

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<v Speaker 1>worldwide economic prosperity just everyone is incredibly wealthy, and also

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<v Speaker 1>world peace and uh. She claimed that that you know

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<v Speaker 1>that there there's this battle going on behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>between what they called like the White Knights and the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Knights, and they thought that the only reason that

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<v Speaker 1>this this uh, the secret law isn't being revealed? Was

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<v Speaker 1>because of this this battle right, very cut and on like, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is extremely Q and On like. It also involved

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<v Speaker 1>she when the eleven happened, she she integrated that. She

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that basically there was some sort of computer in

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<v Speaker 1>the Twin Towers that would make the Sara official. But

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<v Speaker 1>but the the planes crashing into the Twin Towers helped

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<v Speaker 1>ruined it. And that was the only reason that even

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks of nine eleven happened. So how is it

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<v Speaker 1>that Q and On ended up involved with this later? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Cumulon followers, they're also very utopian. They think that after

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<v Speaker 1>the truth of all their conspiracy theories has finally revealed,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to enter into a grand new age of

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<v Speaker 1>peace and prosperity and togetherness. And so as a consequence,

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<v Speaker 1>many have absorbed the Nasara narrative as explaining how this

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<v Speaker 1>supposed global prosperity is going to happen. Um. So this

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<v Speaker 1>has been going on, you know, over twenty years now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been seeing them saying that, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like implemented. How how would that like,

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<v Speaker 1>how does that into the qu On universe? Because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Q would have to implement you know, acques behind everything.

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<v Speaker 1>How are they key in these two things up? So

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<v Speaker 1>in the queuing on world, they often believe that um,

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<v Speaker 1>things like poverty and war and um illness UM aren't

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<v Speaker 1>caused by a complex set of social or just medical factors.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that everything that's bad that goes on the

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<v Speaker 1>world is because of the cabal. There's a secret group

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<v Speaker 1>of people who want to extend the suffering of us

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<v Speaker 1>common people. Um. And so they believe that um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once this sort of the once these evil people are

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<v Speaker 1>are done away with, and once the the evilness of

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<v Speaker 1>these people is finally exposed, then we can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>enter into the great new Golden Age. And so Nassara

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<v Speaker 1>obviously plays into that because it plays upon them many

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<v Speaker 1>of the same tropes, the belief that the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>people are struggling for any reason is because that um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's because of this this evil cabal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is you see, so there's no SARA and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Sara, right. Yes, this was another addition by the

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<v Speaker 1>people who believed in the Sara. They thought that it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't merely a national economic uh security and Recovery Act.

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<v Speaker 1>It was global the Global Economic Security Recovering Act. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're you know, they're um. As a consequence of this,

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<v Speaker 1>there they're Nasara Jassara started getting a following in the Netherlands,

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<v Speaker 1>actually became an international movement. Right, So how is life

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<v Speaker 1>going to look for the Q and on do they

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<v Speaker 1>think under this if this was actually happening, Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do they see that day today? I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a weird question. I'm just trying to get into

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<v Speaker 1>my head what they think would happen. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they think that that literally that they're gonna open up

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<v Speaker 1>their bank account one day and then discover that they're

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<v Speaker 1>all millionaires and uh like that that no one's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be poor anymore. And somehow, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they quite um, you know, took how this would

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<v Speaker 1>affect inflation or other kind of complex economic effects of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone suddenly simultaneously becoming incredibly wealthy. Um. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what they think is going to happen. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they really think that, um, once the truth is exposed,

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<v Speaker 1>it will lead to the end of yeah, like poverty

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<v Speaker 1>and conflict and even illness. Wow. And and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing concrete that this is based on other than

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<v Speaker 1>what sound like predictions, to be honest, from the from

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<v Speaker 1>the person you mentioned before we kind of started. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's fueled on nothing but hope and some like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, some some vague economic proposals made by in

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<v Speaker 1>a Texas engineer that never got any traction in Congress. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds very cute and on. Um, that's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, And I wanted to ask you as well, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>while you're here, are you surprised how many followers there

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<v Speaker 1>still are of Q on the tide agrams. There's hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people still invested invested in this, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Maybe I was being naive. I

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<v Speaker 1>was quite shocked to see how many people are still

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<v Speaker 1>holding on. I'm unfortunately, I'm not surprised just because of

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<v Speaker 1>how long I've been following it and and um, how

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<v Speaker 1>often I've seen them weather false predictions. Uh. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back in two thousand and eighteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Q tell Q and on followers that the midterm

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<v Speaker 1>elections that year would lead to a red wave and

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that the Republicans would like increase their UM. There

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<v Speaker 1>are majorities and the Democrats would be shut out, and

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<v Speaker 1>reality what happened was that Democrats took the house. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was a clear false prediction that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would dissuade quman On followers from continuing to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that didn't happen at all. So Ever, since then,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that a lot of these people they're simply

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<v Speaker 1>too invested. They've invested too much time, They've sacrificed too much,

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<v Speaker 1>They've sacrificed sometimes their family relationships, they've sacrifice their careers,

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<v Speaker 1>um and so as a consequence of all that sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just there's actually really don't see a scenario in

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<v Speaker 1>which they would just totally give it up. They really

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<v Speaker 1>need us to happen. Trevis view the speaking about Nassara

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<v Speaker 1>and the inability for q and On's to let go

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<v Speaker 1>despite the many, many failed predictions. Like Trevis just said, there,

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<v Speaker 1>these people need this to happen. They've invested so much

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<v Speaker 1>time and energy into it that basically this has to

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<v Speaker 1>happen for them, otherwise it has been a huge waste

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Now, you and me, you might just think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if something fails, if it wasn't right, you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cut your losses and you leave that start. Well, No,

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of the Q and On supporters, things

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<v Speaker 1>have got extremely dark. There are people whose whole families

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<v Speaker 1>have been destroyed by this, and there is even the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility that one woman was sent so insane by the

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On mania that she actually committed to murders.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be talking about that in the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Q Clearance and looking into the ways that this

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory has done and continues to destroy people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite funny to look at some of the insane theories,

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<v Speaker 1>especially looking at Nassarah as we just have. But genuinely,

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<v Speaker 1>there is some very bad things happening here to people

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<v Speaker 1>that believe in Q and On and the families and

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are around them. More on that in

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode. Q Clearance is brought to you by

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