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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here. Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. Blooming Prairie, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: A loving dad and husband is found dead in his

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Speaker 1: own home, in his own bathroom, multiple gunshots throughout the

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Speaker 1: torso and body. How did that happen? And his wife

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Speaker 1: apparently kidnapped? Wife Lois is missing, husband Dave dead? I mean,

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Speaker 1: see Grace, This is Killers amongst Us. After a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, Dave's co workers finally decided to call the

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Speaker 1: police to report him missing. He hadn't been seen or

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Speaker 1: heard from, and his wife no longer appeared to be

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Speaker 1: in town. One of Dave's friends told the police that

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Speaker 1: they received an odd text message from Dave. The content

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Speaker 1: of the message wasn't what seemed off. What was striking

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Speaker 1: to the friend was the fact that the message used punctuation.

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Speaker 1: Dave never used punctuation, not even a period, whenever he

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Speaker 1: wrote a text message or an email. On March twenty third,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, after receiving the missing person's report, the police

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Speaker 1: discovered Dave's body in the bathroom of his home. The

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Speaker 1: investigator and corner weren't able to pinpoint the exact time

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Speaker 1: or date that Dave died. His cell phone was found

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Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. Police believe that Dave probably had

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Speaker 1: been dead when his friend received the text message, which

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Speaker 1: meant someone else had undoubtedly sent the text message. You

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Speaker 1: are hearing our friend Aaron Blewie in his little town

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Speaker 1: of two thousand people, a murder was unheard of. Well.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement swarm the Prairie wat Worm Farm. Listen. Deputies

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Speaker 1: were at the Prairie wax Worm Farm Saturday night. I'm

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Speaker 1: told Reesa lives where Dodge County authorities are investigating, just

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Speaker 1: right outside of town. Is it next to that Prairie

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Speaker 1: wax worm farm. Yes, yeah, the house is located on

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Speaker 1: the same property. Many versions of the story of what

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Speaker 1: people think happened are going around town, but one thing

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Speaker 1: is for certain. It's a situation affecting the entire community

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Speaker 1: of Blooming Prairie. I had gone to bed Saturday night

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Speaker 1: thinking about what a wonderful community this is because we

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Speaker 1: had our Blooming Prairie Education Foundation auction, and then the

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Speaker 1: next thing I know, I hear this and it's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just seems unreal for our little community. Unreal. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like a nightmare, joining me right now. Ashley Wilcott, judge,

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst from Beverly Hills at dodgor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,

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Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd

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Speaker 1: Steiger dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State

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Speaker 1: University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Tess Costerer, longtime friend of Lois Reese from Minnesota. Also

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Speaker 1: with me. Killen Thompson, KIMT News three, Rochester, Minnesota crack reporter.

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Speaker 1: At this point, nobody knows what to think, and I guess,

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Speaker 1: Killen Thompson, this was the first murder in a really

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Speaker 1: long time. You're absolutely right, I think. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: definitely not a run of the middle crime to day

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Speaker 1: these authorities would deal with every day. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: looking for Lois Reese and typically to you. Cloyd Steiker

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Speaker 1: thirty six years, Seattle PD. Where do you start? I

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Speaker 1: guess with the vehicle. There was a vehicle missing Cadillac Escalate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the first thing you're gonna do is you're gonna put

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Speaker 1: that bulletins out across, you know, at least in the

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Speaker 1: state of Minnesota, maybe across for the car and for

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Speaker 1: her as a missing endangered person and helping someone sees her.

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Speaker 1: He might look for automated license plate readers in your

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Speaker 1: region to see if they picked up that car anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But those are the first steps you're gonna take, you know,

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger. I also noticed that Dave Reese is killed

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. You know what, maybe this is more

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Speaker 1: for a shrink doctor Bethany Marshall, or now it psycholics

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Speaker 1: joining me out of Beverly Hills. I see that over

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Speaker 1: and over and over that people are hacked up, stabbed,

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Speaker 1: Think about it. He was in the bathroom. If you're

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Speaker 1: been talking about grudges. Who could have had a grudge

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Speaker 1: Wilcot the grudge murders or a betterfit for a mystery

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Speaker 1: novel or TV? You don't really see a lot of

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Speaker 1: mystery novel? I should rather say? But that's when I

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Speaker 1: You know what you're right to you, Jessica Morgan. I

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Speaker 1: want to circle back based on what Ashley and doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany just said. Why the bathroom so often you and

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Speaker 1: think it is, Nancy, this is the deal. That's an

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Speaker 1: intimate space. That's something that very few people in our

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Speaker 1: our own personal space. It also facilitates containment. You know,

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Speaker 1: in homes. Others are large. But it's also an area

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Speaker 1: where you can clean up quite readily. You know what

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Speaker 1: this makes me think of? It makes me think of

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Speaker 1: and here's her name, Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. Where

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Speaker 1: did this begin? Well, it began in his bathroom. Think

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Speaker 1: about it. How defenseless he was, he was nude, he

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Speaker 1: many times over? Back to what Ashley said, does seem

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Speaker 1: like an emotional killing. This is somebody who had been

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Speaker 1: pointed out that it's a contained area where you can

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Speaker 1: easily clean up. A predominance of suicides occur in bathrooms too.

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Speaker 1: then his wife kidnapped. Where is Lois Reese? You know?

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Speaker 1: To you Keillen Thompson joining me k I MT News three, Rochester, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: This is a really small town. I find it hard

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Speaker 1: News three Rochester. You know two tests cost her longtime

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Speaker 1: just I'll pay it back. But thank god that there

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Speaker 1: was a social worker who noticed this pattern of mouth

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Speaker 1: deeasons and began to investigate her stealing tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: the search is on for Lois Rees. Is she dad? Whoever?

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Speaker 1: She owed all that money too? Had they come for revenge?

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Speaker 1: Then the case cracked wide open in the search for

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Speaker 1: Lois Reese. Take a listen to our friends at Kaar eleven.

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Speaker 1: Would you shake thirty five? So just keep going on

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Speaker 1: down to the next date. Is that's the way to go? Easy? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, call and toss and kay amt news

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Speaker 1: three Rochester. Who's that asking for directions at the Come

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Speaker 1: and Go? That's flaws three. She stopped at they Come

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Speaker 1: and Go that's right across the street from Diamond Joe Casino,

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Speaker 1: directions for her. She was gone to next And this

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Speaker 1: video captured at the Come and Go gas station in Northwood, Iowa,

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Speaker 1: is the same day cops find the body of David

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Speaker 1: Reese riddled with bullets in the bathroom of his Blooming

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Speaker 1: Prairie home. Wouldn't you say, Joe Scott Morgan, that changes

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Speaker 1: the nature of the investigation. Yes, absolutely, it does. It

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Speaker 1: certainly narrows down our field, doesn't it. You know? And

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Speaker 1: all these kind of cases like this, Nancy, I say

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Speaker 1: over and over again, you're more e're and more danger

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Speaker 1: with those that are in your intimate sphere. You always

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Speaker 1: look at the intimates those individuals that surround your world. Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for all the philosophy, preacher. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: as her husband's dead in the bathtub, and she said

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Speaker 1: chipper to me, guys, listen to Aaron Bluie. The family vehicle,

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Speaker 1: a two thousand and five Cadillac Escalade, was also missing.

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Speaker 1: Lewis didn't waste time getting out of town. She was

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Speaker 1: on the run driving the family Cadillac and had no

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Speaker 1: thought of returning to Blooming Prairie. She headed south with

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Speaker 1: the hopes that it wouldn't be discovered for a long time.

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Speaker 1: What happened to her husband. It didn't take long for

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Speaker 1: the police to realize that Lois had kept down, and

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Speaker 1: they soon had her face plastered all over the media

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Speaker 1: with a label naming her fugitive Grandma. One of Lois's

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Speaker 1: first stops was at the Diamond Joe Casino, which was

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Speaker 1: just across the Iowa border. The employees at the casino

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Speaker 1: knew who she was and knew that blackjack was her

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Speaker 1: game of choice. Diamond Joe was only about a forty

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Speaker 1: five minute drive from Dave in Lois's home, and she

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Speaker 1: visited there often. At the casino and all throughout her

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Speaker 1: drive south, Lois used her husband's debit card and checkbook

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Speaker 1: to write herself checks and transfer funds to her bank account,

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Speaker 1: totaling over eleven thousand dollars. And you think that's the

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Speaker 1: end of the story. Somehow, Lois Reese has to not

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Speaker 1: only fade herself, but her gambling addiction. Other victims are

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Speaker 1: yet to be targeted. Nancy Grace Killers amoxt Us signing

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Speaker 1: off good Month