1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha a welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: I never told you production of iHeart Radio and today, 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: since it's Disability Pride Month, I wanted to bring this 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: one back that I did. It was a very we 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: have like me episode within Samantha episodes and then some 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: are like joint episodes, and I if you're a listener, 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm almost one hundred percent positive you can tell which 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: is which. 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: But this one was. 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: About my issues with hearing and it has gotten a 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: lot worse since I've done this, and I've been researching 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: into it and into things I could do to improve 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: the situation because it is like my job is an 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: audio so it's sort of important and I'm hoping that 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: sometimes it comes and it passes, you know what I mean. 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: So hopefully this is not permanent. But that being said, 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: there's also an update. I haven't been able to confirm 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: yet if this is true for our show, but currently 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of transcripts coming out for a 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: lot of the podcast on our network, So please listeners 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: let us know because that is something that is very 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: important to us. It has long been something very important 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: to me and we've been pushing for it four years 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: for like almost a decade, I would say, so that 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: is exciting. I haven't been able to. I saw some 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: examples of it and it looked like it was pretty good, 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: like the quality of it. But if there are any concerns, 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: also let us know about that. But in the meantime, 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Anny. 31 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Oh it is Samantha, and welcome to Steph. I've never 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: told you a protection of iHeartRadio. Today we're tackling a 33 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: topic that is a personal one for me, as you know, Samantha, 34 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: because we've discussed it a lot. Due to an injury 35 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: when I was in middle school, I lost a decent 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: amount of hearing capability in my right ear, and it 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: has impacted so much of my life. The way I walk, 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: where I sit, the processing time it takes for me 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: to understand. 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm having to do a lot of 41 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: mental work. 42 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: The panic when talking on the phone if I can't 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: see your face. Oh, the way that I sleep because 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: I sleep on my right ear so I can hear 45 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: if something is happening with my left ear. And I 46 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: recognize that I'm very, very privileged to have the hearing 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: that I do, but I would be lying if I 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: said that it wasn't a source of a lot of 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: anxiety for me, especially because we. 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: Are in an audio medium. 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Our job is all about hearing and listening, and of course, 52 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: now that we're coming to you from our I call 53 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: my studio studio quarantine my closet studio. 54 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: That means a lot. 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: More phone interviews and or skype interviews. 56 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: So it's been on my mind. 57 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: And I did get this injury in a pretty traumatic way, 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: so it's just this reminder every day, and sometimes it 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: is very triggering, and I have I've only just started 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: opening up about it because people at work started noticing 61 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: habits that I had that I would always sit on 62 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: one side of the table, I would sit on one 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: side of the boom. And then I had to confess 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: that I phone interviews made me really, really anxious on 65 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: this show because people would sort of be like, Hi, 66 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I feel like you never talking that much during those 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: episodes listeners right in and I would say, yeah, I'm 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: probably trying very very hard to catch up with what 69 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: they just said and to process that information and then 70 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: have a comment. And by the time I've done that, 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: the conversations moved on or something. 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when you first told me, I just 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: assumed it was the professionalism of like waiting and pausing 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: just in case they wanted to add things. So to me, 75 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh, okay, yeah, that makes sense. 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: And as a person that doesn't struggle with that, I 77 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: can absolutely understand. I'm like, oh, that makes a lot 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: more sense to your reaction time, to your habits in general. 79 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I actually had my earlier school. I 80 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: don't know what it's called schools of days that wasn't college. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: What are those primary education? 82 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: Sure, okay, I know words during that time, like my 83 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: best friend's little sister had also had damage on one 84 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: side of her ear through illness, and so she was 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: deaf in one ear, and I remember having to understand, oh, 86 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: that's why she's not paying attention when I'm trying to 87 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: talk to her on the side of her. It's not 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: just because she's not listening to me, which I'm sure 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: has been an issue with yours your stuff as well. 90 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: When you're like no, I'm not being awkward, No I'm 91 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: not ignoring you. I just literally did not hear you 92 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: because you're on the wrong side of my body. 93 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes I. 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Catch myself doing what I feel like is I think 95 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: I feel like dogs do this where they sort of 96 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: cock their head. So sometimes if the room's been silent 97 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: for a while, I just kind of turn my head 98 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and cock it to make sure there isn't a sound 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: that I'm not picking up on that I should be 100 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: picking up on. And I even had somebody tell me 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: that it's for a movie I was in. He said 102 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: I almost didn't get the job because of how awkward 103 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: I was on the phone, and he felt he felt 104 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: terrible when I told him my struggles with the phone 105 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: that's what Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean that was 106 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: in a way both very upsetting and very comforting, right 107 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: to know, it's not just in my head, right, there 108 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: is a level of awkwardness happening here. 109 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Well. 110 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: To be fair, I am really awkward on the phone 111 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: as well. I will rush you off a conversation real 112 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 3: quick because I hate being on the phone anyway, and 113 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 3: I just don't like just pausing and just be like 114 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: we are you are you saying that me? 115 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: You? 116 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Me? 117 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: You like that whole level. 118 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that could be. 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: So for sure, I don't. 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: I only have like three friends and a few family 121 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: members that like talking on the phone. It's just it. 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: Doesn't seem like it's a really popular thing, and no 123 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: one likes it. After you could figure out you. 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 3: Don't actually have to be on the phone anymore to communicate, 125 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: So I'm like, ooh, let's do this other way instead. 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie though, whole like face to face 127 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: thing is also shocking new level of shocking. 128 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I much prefer that, uh but yeah, yeah, 129 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: for sure. So in this episode, we're going to look 130 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: at some specific aspects of hearing when it comes to 131 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: women and listening when it comes to women, and other 132 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: intersections of that. But honestly, this is a huge. 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: There are so many lanes we could have gone down. 134 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, just by the definition of hearing and listening, 135 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: you could go into the figurative, you could go into 136 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: the water role, and it is a whole several topic. 137 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Worth absolutely and we definitely have touched on some of 138 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: those topics in previous episodes and we'll be sure to 139 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: shout those out as we go along. 140 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: But okay, let's let's get into the meat. The meat. 141 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So when it comes to listening, as with a 142 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: lot of things, we talk about a whole lot of 143 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: factors play a role, culture, gender, race, socialization, relationships topics, 144 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: and many more. 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: Yes, And for Samantha and I in particular, we've definitely 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: had a handful of episodes where we've talked about how 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: we judge women's voices more harshly when it comes to 148 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: things like up talk and vocal fry, the credibility gap. 149 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: So those are out there as well, and it does 150 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: play a role in what we're talking about, but we're 151 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: not going to hone in specifically on those things too 152 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: much today. 153 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: So hearing, in terms of science of hearing or of 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: physical hearing, there's a lot out there. Most of the 155 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: studies seem to suggest that women generally have more hearing 156 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: sensitivity and greater susceptibility to high frequency noise exposure, among 157 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: other things, while men have greater sound localization, again, among 158 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: other things. 159 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to look up so many terms when 160 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: reading these research papers to understand what was going on. 161 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about hearing loss for a second. Over 162 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: fifty million Americans experience hearing loss. The National Institute on 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: Deafness and Other Communication Disorders found that men are twice 164 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: as likely to experience hearing loss and much less likely 165 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: to seek help for it. Men tend to lose higher 166 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: frequencies first, while women lose lower frequencies first. According to 167 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: the Hearing Aid Project, that means women's ability to hear 168 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: vowels is more impacted while men's ability to hear consonants 169 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: is more impacted, which can foster a lot of miscommunication. 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: Women with hearing laws are more likely to use verbal 171 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: and maladaptive strategies, things like interrupting people, informing people about 172 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: what they're hearing. 173 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: Loss all that, right. 174 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: And from what I could ascertain from the study, men 175 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: are more likely to just sort of shrug it off, right, Yeah, 176 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: But let's talk about listening to women. 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: So we have a long storied history of fictional women 178 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: warning of danger to come. We know this example, maybe 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: Casadra warning the grease of the Trojan Horse comes to mind, 180 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: and not being listened to. 181 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: We have so many examples of this in our media 182 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: that my co host over at Saber, Lauren and I 183 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: did a whole episode on this show when it comes 184 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: to the context of horror movies, called why Didn't you 185 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: Believe Her? And then we tied it into the whole 186 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh thing. So, if you are looking for more examples, 187 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: so many, so many examples right. A nineteen seventy nine 188 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: study so a little dated, found that when presenting IFO 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: on a traditionally masculine topic, a traditionally feminine topic, and 190 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a neutral topic, people listened more carefully to the male speakers, 191 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: even when the presentation was the same. In all of 192 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the presentations, even the traditionally feminine topic, there wasn't a 193 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: difference in who was more informative the male or female 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: presenters are the participants rating of who is more informative. 195 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: When it came to effectiveness, steady participants genuinely raise the 196 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: male presenter with the same level of effectiveness. But the 197 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: male respondents gave higher ratings to the female presenters than 198 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: the women in the study did, and the theory was 199 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: that men the male participants did not expect the female 200 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: presenters to be competent, so when they were, they rated 201 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: them higher than they did the men. 202 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: This is directly out of the study, it says, as 203 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: one basis for this differential evaluation, Urger Cohen and Zeldage 204 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: and Lockheed in Hull have suggested that difference in the 205 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: evaluation of behavior of males and females are directly related 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: to the effect of sex as a status characteristics. Since 207 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: the male sex is more highly valued and thus is 208 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: accorded to higher status, Assessments of male behaviors are also 209 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: valued more even when compared to equally effective behavior performed 210 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: by a female. A possible consequence of these perceived differences 211 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: is that if women are perceived as being less competent, 212 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: this might influence their ability to exert influence and impair 213 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: their credibility rights. 214 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: A two thousand study used brain scans to determine that 215 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: men listen with one side of their brain, while women 216 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: listen with both. This doesn't mean that women are better listeners, though, 217 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: and the researchers cautioned that they couldn't untangle whether this 218 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: was because of hardwiring in the brain or social conditioning. 219 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: So other research on the brain has shown that even 220 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: at a young age, boys and girls process language differently, 221 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: more sensory for boys and abstract for girls. Scientists are 222 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: still looking into whether these differences disappear in adulthood. 223 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: So we got a lot of things going on there. 224 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: We got a lot of threads of social conditioning and 225 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: culture than we have science showing something in the brain 226 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: is going on, and it is difficult to unpack all 227 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff when it comes to why perhaps we 228 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: do listen to women differently, or there are the sex 229 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: differences and why and how we listen. And that's only 230 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: a handful of the studies. We have some more, but 231 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for a word from 232 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So a 233 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: few years ago, Carol Kinsey Goehman researched gender differences and 234 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: communications skills and workplace environments across the United States, Canada, 235 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: and Europe. Respondents generally gave the same ish answers for 236 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses in themselves and each other. So for women, 237 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: the strengths generally given were ability to read body language 238 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: and pick up nonverbal cues, good listening skills, effective display 239 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: of empathy, and the weaknesses given were overly emotional, meandering, 240 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: won't to the point, not authoritative right. 241 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: So for men, the strengths were commanding physical presence, direct 242 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: and to the point interactions, affective display of power, and 243 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 3: the weaknesses were overly blunt and direct, insensitive to audience reactions, 244 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: and too confident in own opinion. 245 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: So those are some pretty big differences. And a lot 246 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: of them do fall along stereotypical gender lines gender performative lines. 247 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: The study broke down communication styles into warmth, so things 248 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: like carrying, liability, empathy, and authority, credibility, status, and power. 249 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: According to the findings, women are better at the warmth 250 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: part and men at the authority part. And I was 251 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: thinking about this, maybe better isn't the right word. It 252 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: could be that due to socialization and historical power structures, 253 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: that's where women were allowed to excel and that's where 254 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: men were allowed to excel. Again, really are to unpack 255 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: untangle all of this? Anyway, The study found that women 256 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: are better at collaborative environments at dialogue, while men are 257 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: better at the monologue. Here's a quote from the study, 258 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: which was reported on at Forbes. Women display more warm 259 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: body language cues. They are more likely to focus on 260 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: those who are speaking by orienting head and torso to 261 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: face participants. They lean forward, smiles, synchronize their movements with others, 262 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: not until their heads the universal signal of listening literally 263 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: giving someone your ear. Men send more status signals through 264 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: an array of dominant behaviors such as side to side headshaking, anger, 265 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and disgust. Expressions they stand tall, are they sprawl sitting 266 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: with their legs spread or widely crossed, their materials spread 267 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: out on a comfort stable, and their arms stretched out 268 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: on the back of a chair. 269 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: So this article went on to catalog the general differences 270 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: in body language between men and women. For men, nothing 271 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: usually means I agree, whereas for women it can mean 272 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: either I agree or I'm listening to you, or as 273 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: an encouragement to the speaker to keep going. It also 274 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: found that men talk more in meetings than women. 275 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: Surprise. 276 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I was thinking about that too, because 277 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that in our mainstream stereotype of women, 278 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: it's like they talk more than men. You've got your 279 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: chatty Kathy's I can't get them to stop, and oh no, 280 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: she's on the phone. 281 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: It's all over. I know. 282 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: My mom was a frequent target of these kinds of comments, 283 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: and when I got older and I would talk to 284 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: her about that. Oftentimes it's she wanted the conversation to end, right, 285 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: but the usually dude in the picture was just overstaying 286 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: like I have five examples, I think, and was just 287 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: talking away at her. And yet she was the one 288 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: who's getting made fun of. And not that we should 289 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: be making fun of people who want to talk. But 290 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: she was the one that was getting picked on for 291 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: being chatty. 292 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: Even though she probably was just like yeah, okay, yes, 293 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: encouraging exactly, And research does not bear out that women 294 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: are the big talkers at all. 295 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: Some research has found that in most situations, men dominate 296 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: seventy five percent of speaking time. Women are more likely 297 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: to be interrupted than men, a number which goes up 298 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: when more men are present. But research has also found 299 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: that even though women are speaking last, people perceive that 300 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: they speak more than they do. So I feel like 301 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: this is another way to minimize women, to encourage women 302 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: to stay quiet, because otherwise you're talking too much and 303 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: people are going to laugh at you. Now, again, this 304 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: is a very complex thing that we're talking about with 305 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot going on. These are generalizations. Always, more researchers need, 306 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: more sciences needed. I will say women, and we've talked 307 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: about this before, they do typically have more social relationships, 308 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: so I can understand perhaps where that stereotype came from 309 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: in terms of women just have more people to talk 310 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: to generally, maybe, but yeah, and I'm probably most likely 311 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to reach out. 312 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so a lot of advice out there in 313 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: the business realm to be more sort of lean in, 314 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: put the responsibility on women to adapt to masculinize environment, 315 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: and that bossy, bitchy fallback is waiting right there in 316 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 3: the wings to come on out. 317 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: Right, So the advice feels like it's telling women to 318 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: be more like men. But then when you do that, right, 319 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: then you're called these terms. 320 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 3: Right, you're not doing this enough, but when you do it, 321 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: you're doing much exactly. 322 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: And also. 323 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: It is sort of implying that this masculine environment is 324 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: the right one and that women should change to fit 325 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: into that instead of maybe we should all be listening more. Right, Yes, yes, 326 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: and we do have some more tips around that. But 327 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for or from 328 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: our sponsor, am or back, Thank you sponsor. So. I 329 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: was reading an article in the New York Times when 330 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: researching this, written by doctor Probolis, and in it she 331 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: wrote about what she called feminist listening, which I thought 332 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: was an interesting term, and she described men, particularly white women, 333 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: not engaging in feminist listening when women, for example, were 334 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: warning of Trump's sexist, racist, abusive behavior. 335 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: Right, And of course, everything we've talked about could further 336 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: be broken down to the intersectional issues. How do we 337 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: listen or not to women of color, to non binary folks, 338 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: to the LGBTQ plus individuals, And we do have a 339 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: lot of stereotypes that hang ups around voices, which is 340 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: something we've talked about and again needs to be probably 341 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: a bigger episode in itself to revisit. 342 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, If you google feminist listening, by the way, 343 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: most of the top results are either listen to women, Okay, 344 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: something about reframing how we construct studies. I actually found 345 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: this really fascinating. So they in this particular study I'm 346 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: thinking of, they were describing how we need to change 347 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: how we listen to participants in studies, examining gaps in 348 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: research and why those gaps exist, and then words that 349 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: don't exist. We need to think about words that don't 350 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: exist around the experiences of women and other marginalized groups. 351 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: So a lot of times when we people conduct these studies, 352 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: they'll edit. So if you're saying a lot of you know, 353 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: ore filler words that maybe those words actually point to 354 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: something else and we shouldn't be cutting them, we should 355 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: be documenting why they're there, which I thought was really 356 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: interesting and Another result I got a lot of when 357 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: I typed in feminist listening was analytical listening to music 358 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: with a feminist and queer perspective. Should it really really does, 359 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: And apparently some colleges have programs that do this. 360 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty neat, pretty neat. 361 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 362 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: One thing I really want for us as a podcast 363 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: is to one day get our show transcribed. And this 364 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: is something that we used to do, but the budget 365 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: for it unfortunately got cut. It was so important to 366 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: me that for a while, I did it myself until 367 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: I didn't have the bandwidth to do it anymore. But 368 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: I really really want to bring that back, and I'm 369 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: hoping that we can. 370 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: Someday. 371 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: Right, So, here are some tips for anyone looking to 372 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: be a better listener, which I hope we all are 373 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: doing so, and a couple of easy steps you can take. 374 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: One. 375 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: Stop talking and stop planning the next thing you're going 376 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: to say. Be in that moment, Listen to what is 377 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: being said to you, Ask meaningful questions, Ask questions pertaining 378 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: to what you just heard. Maintain eye contact. Of course 379 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: that could be a cultural thing, by the way, so 380 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: if you don't feel comfortable with that, that's okay, but 381 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: it can't help you. At least see their face, look 382 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: at their face when they're talking to you. 383 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: It will help. Yeah. 384 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, being present and giving feedback is a really good one. 385 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Being open minded, like, don't immediately judge what someone is 386 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: saying to you, wait till they finish their thought and 387 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: then consider it, think about it, ask all up questions, 388 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: don't interrupt, practice empathy, and if you notice someone hasn't spoken, 389 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: check in, give them a platform. And I know in 390 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: terms of listening and in business contexts, another one I 391 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: saw a lot and I know we've probably all heard 392 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: this is make sure credit is going to where it 393 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: should go, to say that person's name. 394 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: That's a great idea. Somantha has this great idea. 395 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: Right Yeah, I think that's really important right now because 396 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: there's been a big kerfuffle, I guess inside of twitter verse. 397 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: I've been stuck at twitter verse for a minute about 398 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: people not giving credit to people of color, women of color, 399 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: specifically black women specifically, and we need to remember that 400 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: as a rasure and it is very very dangerous, especially 401 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: today in this time point in which we see there's 402 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: a lot of history trying to be rewritten, and we 403 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 3: need to acknowledge where it comes from and why they 404 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: should be credited. 405 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And then for anybody in your life that 406 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: maybe has any kind of difficulty hearing or hearing loss, 407 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: just you know, check in and say what where can 408 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: I help you? Where can I minimize for me? And 409 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: again my my hearing, I'm very privileged. It's still I 410 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: got pretty good in one ear. It really is just 411 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: like be on that side, right, Yeah, that's all. So 412 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: for sure, would love to return to this, would love 413 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: to delve into some of these specific issues more in 414 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: the future, but for now sort of an overview some 415 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: big ideas, but definitely would like to revisit. And I 416 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: actually wanted to read a listener mail we got before 417 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: we end this one from Donnaka. Donnaka wrote, I have 418 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: a great fanfic suggestion for you, particularly Annie. Yes, hello, 419 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I love fan fiction and those menty listeners. It's an 420 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: alternative universe retelling of Harry Potter, written book by book, 421 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: considering what the series would have been if James and 422 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Lily had survived the night of Voldemort's attack. This is 423 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: a project my best friend Chase has been working on 424 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: for years. Is super well written in and particularly love 425 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: it because Chase is writing in such a way that 426 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: acknowledges rolling shortcomings in the works and improves upon them. 427 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: She actually deals with and addresses the inherent racism in 428 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: the Wizarding World against Centaur's house, helves, goblins, etc. And 429 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: when characters are queer, she actually writes in the text 430 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: that they are queer. It's such a wonderful thing that 431 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: my bestie has poured her heart and soul into. If 432 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: you two, or anyone is looking to reread Harry Potter 433 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: during these isolated times, maybe consider Chase's version instead of 434 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: supporting transphobic rolling. Plus, you don't need to worry about 435 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: owning the books, as Chase's works are all accessible for 436 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: free online at archive of her own and her user 437 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: page Aiden Chase, and on Tumblr and Twitter at HP 438 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: Everyone Lives. Just googling HP Everyone Lives AU will take 439 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: you right to it as well. She's currently about halfway 440 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: through publishing The Haplood Prince, so there's a lot of 441 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: content to read. I think a lot of the listeners 442 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: would enjoy it, and the fit deserves way more notoriety 443 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: than it has. 444 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, I stand any friend who goes 445 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: out there and rallies behind them. 446 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: What I love this. I love everything about this. I 447 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: do too, and I'm very excited to check this out. 448 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: I've got to say, like being on book six, that's impressive. 449 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 3: Right, she must have been on it for a long time. 450 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: So impressive, very very excited. Fan Fiction is probably like 451 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: number one thing going. I have read and written so 452 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: much fan fiction. I actually joke that I would be 453 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: very embarrassed at my Internet history right now. But you 454 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: know what, no shame, no shame, and please please, We're 455 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: happy to shout things out. Like any entertainment that you 456 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: think our audience would enjoy, we would enjoy. 457 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: Send it our way. 458 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: I know we're all looking for more, more things to consume, 459 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: and we're so happy to receive those messages and share them. 460 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: And just so you know, we are going to do 461 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: another viewing party. I know a few people have asked 462 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: because they missed this one. Although the craft was I 463 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: feel like it was pretty a bangor start, so we'll 464 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: be doing this again. We had a good time. It 465 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: was very limited, but it was still fun. So we 466 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: will be doing that again because we will be maintaining 467 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: at home still, so look for that as well. And again, yeah, 468 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: give us all of your recommendations because we have some time, we. 469 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: Do and we could share that with everybody. We could 470 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: have like a big sminty Oh we should, We absolutely should, 471 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: and for sure send in your recommendations for our next 472 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: movie that. 473 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: We should watch and book that we should read. 474 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: In the meantime. This brings us to the end of 475 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: this episode. If you would like to email us, we 476 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: would love to hear from you. Our email is Stuffmedia 477 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can also find 478 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram 479 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: at Stuff I've Never Told You. 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