WEBVTT - Our Hosts Favorite Authors and Book Recommendations | MiniPod 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Today's mini pod is a little bit of a return 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.960 to last summer. Our very efficient reader, Tiffany has been 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.960 bugging us about our reading and encouraging us to read 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.480 a lot more sources if we could so as we 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.040 hunkered down this hopefully winter break with a book, there 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.560 are plenty of recommendations in this episode. You can find 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.200 a list of all the books that we talk about 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.000 in this episode in the description Happy holidays and happy reading, y'all. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:33.960 Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:37.199 Home, everybody. This is Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye and a 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.120 man you get them. And this is a mini pod, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.520 and we don't know what we're about to talk about. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.280 Yes, that was Angela's suggestion that we wait and figure 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.920 out what we're going to talk about, and I record, yeah, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.279 we understand. Well, we've heard you guys in the audience 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.280 ask us about what we're reading, what we like to read, 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.560 and so I thought this might be a good opportunity 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.880 for the co host to share some of their favorite 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.680 books and we would recommend to you guys. I know 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.280 I have a lot I, as I talked about, have 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.720 read Charles Blow's book The Devil you know, so I 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.360 would love for folks to read that we can have 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.520 a conversation about it. I am reading The Color of Money, 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.199 Wealth and Black Banks. I might have a subtitle wrong, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.800 but it's MRSA but Darenden. I think that's fair name. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.200 I had her on my show some years ago and 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.959 started the book and embarrassingly so did not finish it. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.520 And I hate when folks when people do that, this 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.760 is a question I'll ask you, guys, I might be 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.840 a bit of a I don't think it's snobbery. I 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.039 think it's just the art of reading. I do not 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.040 think audio listen. When people say they listen to the audiobook, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.400 I don't know if that's reading. And I say that 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.120 because like your brain literally processes it differently and for 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.920 the right like when you read something, you're comprehended. It's 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.080 the difference between listening to a podcast like y'all are 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.360 doing now versus actually reading the words, like your brain 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.160 literally processes it. And so you know when you have 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.720 friends with kids and they're like, oh, I did the 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.560 audiobook and the parents are like no. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.160 No, no, you need to read the book. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.720 I think if I had kids, i'd be one of 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.720 those parents like, you have to strengthen that skill. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.200 You have to read. So do you all think that 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.920 audiobooks counts as reading? 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:22.600 Yeah, if you are an auditory learner, yeah, which some 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.440 people are. Some people like I need to hear it 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:30.799 out loud. In fact, when I'm actually reading, whether it's 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.400 a report or a book or even an article, sometimes 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.880 I will say out loud to myself a piece that 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:43.280 is something I want to want to remember, a piece 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.000 that I may want to go back to now. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:45.560 Love. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.480 I love physical books because I like writing in them. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.160 I got tabs for days. If you wanted to get 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.520 me a you know, a gift and you don't know 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.480 what I like, just get me some post its because 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.920 they're going to end up in books and the flags. Yeah, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.840 all of that. I love it, and mainly because I 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.560 even commit you know, certain passages to memory when they're 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.720 really you know, that thought provoking and that kind of thing. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.080 But yeah, I think audio books work just as fine. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.320 I tell my kids all the time because my son, Jackson, particularly, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.960 who's a really competitive reader, you know, wants me to 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.240 know that he started the day at page twenty three 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.040 and he ended at one hundred and twenty six I said, well, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.480 that's good, Jackson, but do you remember what you read? 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.920 But I would not object to at you know, at 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.120 some point when they get introduced to audio books to 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.840 them listening as well, we're gonna get the fundamentals of 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.440 reading down. We're gonna get the fundamentals of you know, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.840 you know, root words, because it's going to be important 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.280 for you at some some point in time. But I 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.800 will tell you I have I have I have a question. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.720 One does it make a difference to you listening versus 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.360 reading yourself fiction nonfiction? Because I'll say this for me, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.040 I am I don't read fiction at all. In fact, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.520 my therapist has told me you've gotta you have got 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.600 to read more fiction. It is where the imagination, Yes, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.919 you know it exists. And I'm so like, no, no, no, 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.479 But why would I waste my time on that one? 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.960 I know if I read this, this is history, this 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.080 is this, this is you know, these are things that 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.720 I can put under my under my two bell. So 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.640 I got to still make that adjustment. But I do 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.479 wonder whether or not it would be different for me 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.760 if I were listening to an audio book of a 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.160 fiction story versus an audio book of a fact story, 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.120 and I wonder if it makes a difference to either 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:41.400 of you. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:48.160 I will say Lenard actually suggests reading the book and 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.440 listening to it at the same time. He was telling 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.320 me that it was a good experience, and he did 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.400 it with Viola Davis's book, So I did that with 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.480 Violet Davis's book, and I agree. So I think it depends. 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.480 I definitely in somebody the way my mind moves. If 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.480 I'm just listening to the audio book and I start 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.520 looking at something else or like I'm texting at the 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:08.680 same time, you can forget it. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.479 I basically have blocked everything out. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.520 But if I'm concentrating just on that book or closing 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.600 my eyes and just listening to that book. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:16.000 It helps. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.880 But I did appreciate the experience of reading and listening 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:20.560 at the same time. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.720 Plus fiction non fiction equal leaders. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.280 I'm not a I'm not a fiction person. I think 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.400 that there was a time, like growing up, where I 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.080 was more of a fiction person, but I think now 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.400 there's so much going on. I feel like, if I'm 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.160 going to be reading, I wanted to be historical based, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.680 strategy based, political base economics based, something with some solutions 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.520 in there. So I do know like, the last fiction 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.040 book that I was really into is Derek Beale Faces 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.320 at the Bottom of the Well in Law School, And 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.440 it was because I could see it. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.640 And here we are about to get shipped off to Hell. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.960 To Mars right now, So I mean, I understand it 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.760 has a little tinge of accuracy. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.080 I go through about a book a week, and I 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.880 try to go back and forth. If one week is fiction, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:08.800 the next week, I'll try to do nonfiction. But I 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.480 really enjoy fiction. Angela, you talked about finding me Viola Davis. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.440 That book was therapy for me. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.599 I mean that book Viola Davis, just so I couldn't 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.479 read or listen to that. I read that and I 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.200 can't do audio at the same time as reading because 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.839 our speeds are different. And I'll read something over, like 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.839 if a paragraph or even a sentence it's just beautifully constructed, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.839 I will read that over and over and over and over. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.839 Tony Morrison said ones which I it is a torturous 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.919 process to write. I don't believe in ghostwriters either, because 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.640 not that ghostwriters can't have good books, but when people 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.320 say I wrote a book, I'm like, well, did you 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.599 write or did you have a ghostwriter? Because when you 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:53.159 are writing. Tony Morrison, when I was fourteen, I was 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.760 listening to a conversation with her and Oprah and she 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.760 was saying that as a writer, you will take one 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.840 cent tense and structure it in every possible way to 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.240 make it the point that you want. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.080 To see what works. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.960 And I tried to had a discipline to do that, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.560 and it is a tortuous process and so, but it's 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.080 also a beautiful process when you're all done. So I 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.600 like the way that fiction doesn't constrict you to the 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.680 realms of reality that you know. It can still you 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.840 can learn from it. It can still based in history, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.160 but it's beautiful writing that you know deeply explores. And 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.000 with fiction, they're more than likely is not a ghostwriter. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.960 With nonfiction sometimes I think it's particularly with biographies, people will, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.080 you know, hire somebody. I know a lot of people 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.680 who are like hired ghostwriters who offer They're like, hey, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.240 I can write this chapter for you, and I'm like, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.960 as if I would never you know, I want to 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.560 construct this myself. But this leaves me I have some 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.720 sound that I want us to listen to from a 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.720 writer that I thought was so amazing. She since passed away. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.520 But I'm sure many of you have read Octavia Butler. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.480 Probably not you, Andrew digit or are you Angel I 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.960 guess since you guys don't read fiction. But her work 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.360 it speaks to so much that's happening right now. And 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.200 she actually made a good point I think, around just 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.600 the process of writing, but also how she bases it 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.520 in what's happening in society. And she was so far 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.080 ahead of her time, So take a listen. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.040 I got the idea for it when I heard someone 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.840 answer a political question with a political slogan, and he 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.120 didn't seem to realize that he was quoting somebody. He 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.720 seemed to have thought that he had a creative thought there, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:41.280 and I wrote this verse. Beware, all too often we 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:47.800 say what we hear others say, we think what we 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:52.800 are told that we think, we see what we are 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:58.040 permitted to see. Worse, we see what we are told 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.680 that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:10.080 To see and to hear even an obvious lie again 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:15.680 and again and again may be to say it almost 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.959 by reflex, then to defend it because we have said it, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.640 and at last to embrace it because we've defended it. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:31.400 And because we cannot admit that we've embraced and defended 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:38.160 an obvious lie. Thus, without thought, without intent, we make 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:43.160 mere echoes of ourselves, and we say what we hear 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:43.959 others say. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.560 This is a work of fiction. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.920 But that beautifully constructed paragraph I think speaks to so 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.360 much of what's happening in society about how we will 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.719 regurgitate a lie. And I don't mean maga Republicans will 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.640 you know, obviously that happens, but I even mean amongst 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.839 ourselves because something existed, or because you know, we will 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.040 take We talked about this in parody. You know, Fox 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.240 News will run a piece and then the Shade Room 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:11.880 will post it. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.319 You know, it's it is something. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:20.280 Where it dulls our intellect and it declines our reasoned thinking. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.480 And so I don't know, I think there are some 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.880 lessons to learn in fiction. But when she talked about that, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.560 I just thought, Wow, that's true. I see that happening 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.800 a lot from some things that took place in the 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.640 Black Church that I, you know, don't agree with in adulthood. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.560 But people, you know, it's it's orthodoxy, you know, it's culture. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.959 These axioms become principal after a while, and if we 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.679 just imagine, but what if this is not the case. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.600 What if this man saying this to me is wrong? 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.080 What if this leader projecting this to me is incorrect? 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.640 What if this leader really wants to rule and not 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.720 lead and just to question everything around me? So finktion, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.880 I would say, can invite that kind of Yeah? 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.240 Well that was beautiful. And what I loved about it 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.960 is she said, missus butler h the obvious lie, right, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.000 is obviously not the truth. So we're not debating with 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.000 another this is true false. We all are looking at 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.200 the thing and saying it's not true, and then we 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.080 keep listening, and then we start to repeat, and then 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.280 the repeating becomes the you know, the our foundation of defense, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.880 and we fight over it, and then we've gotten so 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:35.240 deep in we cannot even acknowledge that we all knew 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.400 it was a lie, and I just kept running with it. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.840 Yeah, what I love? 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.720 So I think, Tiffany, your appreciation is well learned. You're 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.680 a writer, and so you love words. You love the 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.440 written word, not as you know, maybe not even the 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 spoken words so much as you love the written Yeah. Sure, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.240 Michael Harriett is one of those people who I have underlined, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:02.880 double underline, circled because he is. It feels like, while 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.440 it comes off so easy as a person who likes 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.880 to see subtexts, I imagine a person who has, as 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.480 you described earlier, written a sentence so many different ways 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.640 that he wants it to stick. He wants it to land, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.520 and he wants it to land on first impact. I 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.960 appreciate you know, the written word as well, obviously more 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.520 more more fact than fiction, But I do want to 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.760 reprioritize and reorient myself a little bit here because I 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.920 do think there's some truth in this sort of imaginative, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.360 imaginative space where for a lot of my life I've 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.840 sort of had to live and deal in what is present, 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.520 what I know to be the case, either what has 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:55.240 happened or forecast to occur, And I do think it 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.079 robs us a little bit of the what's outside the box, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.080 what's not on the page each what isn't being said? 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.920 Where are the possibilities for this to go? And I 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.880 think writers, particularly those who are skilled at it, have 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.920 a beautiful way of lifting us off of it. So 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.760 I appreciate that about good writers, but I appreciate them 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.240 an equal measure I think both written and spoken. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.800 What would you recommend to our audience that they pick 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.480 up and maybe even to me? Maybe I haven't read 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:34.200 some of the books you have. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.000 So this is when I'm using this one because this 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.440 is a quote from the Congressional Black Caucus that we 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.520 say often it was no permanent friends, permanent enemies, just 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.480 permanent interests. And this book is from William Lacey Clay. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.360 This is Congress from Lacy Clay's father. William Lacy Clay 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.720 was one of the CBC founders, and he talks about 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.400 the journey of Black Americans in Congress from eighteen seventy 0:13:59.400 --> 0:13:59.880 to nineteen. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.640 This book is called Critical Race Theory and it is. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.080 A collection of essays. It's a text that I used 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.400 in law school. This actually talks about this is It 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:20.000 includes Kimberly Crenshaw as well as many many other scholars. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.160 This book is important because it will actually tell you 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.400 about what critical race theory actually is and not the 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.640 nonsense they tell you. So the foreword is by Corno West. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.880 It's edited by Kimberly Crenshaw, Neil Gatanda, Gary Peller, and 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:39.320 Kendall Thomas. Medical apartheidr I'm bringing this up because this woman, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:44.840 doctor Harriet Washington, talks about why black folks don't or 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.920 why the system, the healthcare system, the medical system has 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.960 not proven itself trustworthy to black people, which is a 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.800 slight modification on what we normally talk about. Very good 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.800 texts Ron Brown. In addition to Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ron 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.840 Brown's picture was on our mantle in the house. My 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.400 dad was in a diehard Democrat, but what he loved 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.120 about Ron Brown was his way of advocating for black people. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.520 He was the DNC chair and also was the Department 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.480 of Commerce Secretary under Bill Clinton. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:16.120 This is his. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:24.040 Memoir, Ron Brown, An Uncommon Life. Asada obviously an autobiography, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.520 very important. This is written by Asada Shakur. She is, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.240 I believe, the only woman on the FBI's most Wanted list. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.840 She should not be there. Free Asada all right. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.600 And finally, my good brother, Resma Menechem has a book 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.400 called My Grandmother's Hands. It's a New York Times bestseller. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.160 It helps deepen us into what ancestral trauma looks like, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.480 what it means to regulate and corregulate our nervous systems, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.000 and how to ensure that we heal from racialized trauma 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.560 in the body. It's a somatic therapy book that teaches 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.840 us different for modalities to call upon to heal ourselves 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.000 and to heal the communities that we. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:06.440 Are a part of. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.400 But I did we meet him? Did we have dinner 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.400 with him somewhere? 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 I remember you talking about this book that you just loved, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.640 and it was maybe it was definitely. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.480 I definitely had been breaking bread with Resmuk. Maybe you 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.920 were there, Tip, I'm sure, if not there in spirit. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.560 Oh yeah, he was there panel for me. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.960 That was years ago. I remember when you said. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.560 That for the centennial. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.320 Yep, what you got, Andrew oh Man. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.000 I felt, for one, your book is all the way 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.680 at the top, as is my friend Kenisha doctsha Oh Grant. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.360 So I didn't get to pull them down. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.160 Saying you can't reach it. I didn't get my tip 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:45.920 book let me grant. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:53.840 They're up at the top, but some that were closer 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.560 down obviously out there. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:00.520 You know. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.440 I feel like that was okay, Thank you guys. I 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.639 feel like that was my first book and I've turned 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.600 in a rough draft and they published it. Because now 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.240 when I read it, I'm like I would I never 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.320 wrote like that but thank you. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.119 Hey, you got a book out there for him? All right? 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:19.040 Another one coming, So four hundred souls, My fellow rattler 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:27.520 Iram Kendy and Keisha Blaine, and I especially, especially especially enjoy. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.280 I told you about my tabs and stuff and books, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.800 just just proof that I put tabs in books when 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:40.000 I read them. My favorite essayist contributor, of course, would 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.520 be none other than Michael Harriot. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.040 Harriot Harriott and I just have let it go. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.399 But I don't know why, Michael, forgive me. I like 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.080 pronouncing it that way, but I'm gonna do it with you. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.760 Harriet Harriet Harriott, who is our grit? Can? I say? 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:57.159 Griott? 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.600 Sure, Michael Harriott, are agree? 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:01.040 Got? 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:06.639 Okay? There it is? But I love The hero of 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.600 this drama is black people. All black people, the free blacks, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.919 the uncloaked maroons, the black elite, the preachers, the reverends, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.399 the doormen and doctors, the sharecroppers and soldiers. They are 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.960 all protagonists in our epic adventure. Spoiler alert, the hero 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:26.200 of this story does not die ever. This hero is 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:31.280 long suffering, but unkillable, bloody, and unbowed. In this story 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.359 and in all the subsequent sequels now and forever. This 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.320 hero almost never wins, but we still get to be 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:45.359 the heroes of the true American stories simply because we 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.040 are undestructible. Try as they might, we will never be 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.480 extinguished ever. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.000 Trying to figure out why you got to read excerpt. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.719 That's that's the only one I read because he's one 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.920 of my favorite and of course Heaven McGhee the Some 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:10.800 of Us again evidence I do books, wrote wrote really 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.680 beautifully and I think accessively about why black, brown, working 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.960 class white folks should be in common cause with each other. 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.000 And then this is my political scientist in me, because 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.879 I think these are very important for anyone who is 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:31.359 interested in strategy around politics, the Art of war. Of 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:42.119 course Sunsu the Well which one Tachi ching is also 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:50.920 a must read, and the Analects of Confucius, and I 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:55.000 just think these are important philosophical documents. And in the 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.639 Art of War, I think it is really tactical and strategic, 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:04.520 and it is revived centuries, uh, and it's still highly 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:12.880 regarded by I think political scientists around strategies, strategies to win. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:18.080 And then just a just a slight favorite. Uh. The 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:23.639 obstacle is the Way. I said, I think during our 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.760 New Year's show that the only way is through. You know, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.840 you try to feel like Lee, It's just there's too much, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.320 you know, I just want to blink out, numb out, 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.000 and so The Obstacles the Way is one of those 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:41.520 books that just sort of helps to encourage you to 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.720 push through. Well, have I got a lot of favorites. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.080 I've not read any of the books that you guys reference, 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.720 so yeah, but this is great because now, yes, exactly 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.760 what black A f history, of course, but the other 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.679 books I had in all the books, Angela read your 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.199 home book. I've read my own book, but the Assada Chaqueur, 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.800 I'd really like to read that one. In the conversations 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.719 I've had with the elders lately, her name has come 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:09.199 up a lot, so I think I'm gonna put that 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.280 next on my list, So thank you, guys. Mine is 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:18.000 How to Say Babylon by Sophia Sinclair. And this was 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:23.200 recommended to me by Van Newkirk, who also recommended that 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.320 I write a book. I write my second book, but 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.199 it's so beautifully written. I mean, just somebody I didn't know, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:32.520 and you might think, well, why do I want to 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.479 read a memoir someone I didn't know, but it was 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.440 so beautifully written and so captivating. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:36.919 I love it. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:38.560 I'm about to order it. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:40.600 And who has already. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.080 Talked about black a f history, but Michael Harritt Harriet 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:51.560 Harry ots Michael Harriet is such a gift and his 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.560 book was so popular. It was on the New York 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.560 Times bestseller list forever fell off and then inexplicably just 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.680 bounced back on there because I think people were like, oh, 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:01.800 I know it was a dope, but there are still 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.040 have so many yes. And I have so many highlights 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.240 of this book. Another one, the Love Songs of W. E. B. D. 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:09.600 Boys. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:14.879 This is fiction, but it is beautifully beautifully written and 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:19.679 takes you through generations and time. I have others that 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.879 I don't have pictures of, but The Poison What Bible 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.680 is probably my all time favorite book by Barbara Kingsolver. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.639 I give that book away, and Michael Harriet's book away. 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.919 And another book, Ghana Must Go, And I'm embarrassed to 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.280 not remember the writer's name. She's a woman, but it's 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.800 just an amazing book about three siblings who are Ghanaian 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:40.840 and it goes back and forth with them from Ghana 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:41.440 to America. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:42.960 So that's my book. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.080 So if you guys are looking for something to read, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.440 that's your NLP, this summer reading list or autumn reading 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:54.040