WEBVTT - Can I Touch It? 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.760 It's time for sauce on the side. This could get weird, 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.360 and it is gonna get weird, maybe not super weird. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.039 But hello, I'm gandhi, co host of the Elvis Aram 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.080 Morning Show. We are on Z one hundred here in 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.080 New York City and we're syndicated on like eighty ish 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.280 stations across the country. But I've been working on this 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.960 podcast in my head only for like five years, gone 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.520 through a bunch of different versions of it, different co hosts, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.240 different ideas, and finally settled on just doing it by 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.600 myself with my producer Andrew, who is sitting here silently. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.120 Hi, guys, there we go, I could speak yay. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.319 So what we're gonna do is pretty much just talk 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.000 about the stuff that I want to talk about that 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.000 we don't talk about much on the big show, like 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:48.840 science and nature and OnlyFans, content, creators, comedians, all kinds 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.279 of stuff. Who else have we had in here? 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.200 We've got some good guests lined up for you, guys. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.840 I don't want to tease too much. Death Lady Yes, 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.960 oh my god, my favorite. But I've just loved working 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.440 with you and I can't wait for you guys to 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.920 like see all this behind the scenes stuff that's going 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.240 on finally come to life because Gandhi has put in 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.600 the work into this podcast. You guys, get ready make 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.240 sure you're liked and subscribed because this is going to 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.760 be a ride for you guys. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.080 Oh my gosh, they're such a good hype man. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.440 Shoot thinks, where's this? 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.039 The rest of the time, you know, I. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:20.280 Do it subtly. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.120 Andrew's fairly evil. I want you to know something about him. Okay, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.160 he wants me to do a burn book. Go ahead 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.520 and explain your burn books. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.760 So you have the most savage takedowns. I feel like 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.160 you can or is it destroy somebody? I feel with 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.760 your words. So I think a fun segment would be 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.679 Gandhi's burn book where you just take people down, tape 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.200 their picture in the book, and close it and we 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:41.520 move on. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.880 Okay, I already have like plenty of ideas. I also 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.280 think there's potential to maybe get me canceled, because you know, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.720 everybody's like all sensitive and you never know why that 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:50.880 person acted that way on that day. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.520 Canceled, shmanceled. I think you're gonna be fine. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.000 He's a menace, by the way, Please know that behind 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.880 the scenes on TV shows, on radio shows, wherever it is, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.640 it's the producer that are up to all the bullshit 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.640 and all the nonsense. So if anything terrible happens on 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.200 this show, it was Andrew's fault. But first, I want 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.639 to get to my first guest on my first podcast, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.960 because I'm so excited. It is right up my alley, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.919 Bertie Gregory. Let's give it up. Yay, it's just me, Hi, Bertie, 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:21.360 how are you. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.680 I'm very good. Thanks, thanks for having me, Thank you. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.240 For coming, because I'm about to harass you in a 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.120 good way, I promise. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.240 Okay, there's a good way. Okay, good, good way. I 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.120 look forward to being harassed in a good way. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.880 So, if you don't know Bertie Gregory, he is. How 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:41.200 would we say? You are a wildlife photographer, documentarian of 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.800 all of the things that I would love to be. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.400 How do you describe yourself? 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:45.040 Uh? 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.720 Yeah, I guess I hang out with animals for a living, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.000 wild animals for a living, and uh yeah, fortunate enough 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.280 to make make wildlife films. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.360 Yeah, genuinely my dream. I have a dream of doing 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.600 a podcast called Can I Touch It? Where, yeah, people 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.679 will get interested by the name, but then it will 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.360 just be a series of me trying to touch different 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.880 animals and seeing if indeed they attack me. You can 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.160 have that idea if you want to, because I don't 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.359 think they're gonna let me do it here. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.560 Got it? 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.120 But you really get to do this. So I just 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.960 started watching your series Animals up close. If you want 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.519 to stream it, you can stream on Disney Plus. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.959 Yeah, it's been it's been really really cool. You know, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.640 you work on something for such a long time, you 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.560 get so close to it and then it's like, how 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.320 are people gonna react? So it's been awesome seeing, Yeah, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.959 seeing what resonates with people and what doesn't. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.200 I can't imagine any of it doesn't resonate. The thing 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.680 that struck me the most is what you just said, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.560 how long you've been working on it? Because you've got 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.840 six episodes right, ye, and they're in very different climates 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.480 across the world, and you're tracking these animals and watching 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.800 them for a long time. How long did it take 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.000 to do these six episodes that we get to see 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.320 in what an hour ish? 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.280 Yeah? So they're all about forty forty five minutes. So 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.280 what's interesting is that I think you know in when 0:03:55.280 --> 0:04:00.120 you're making a wildlife film, time is your greatest adversary. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.920 Tom Cruise line that, Yeah, and really you need the time. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.560 That is the key thing, and you need to spend 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.280 a lot of time, and that is so you can 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.360 learn the habits of the animals, make relationships with the 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.160 local people, and really you know, figure out how these 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.680 animals tick. And that's how you make films. Usually, with 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.240 the wildlife films that I work on that are kind 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.599 of pure wildlife, they're called blue chip naturalistory shows. Typically 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.440 those are four years long, and there's a year of research, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.039 two years of filming, and a year of editing. Animals 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.120 up close A bit different. It's because each episode is 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.839 just about one animal rather than taking you around the world. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.760 We tend to do one or two shoots per episode, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.760 but these shoots are long, so usually we're spending four 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.640 to six weeks per episode. The most number of days 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.200 I think we spent on any episode was the Patagonia 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.680 Puma episode. The Puma episode, but across the series I 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.400 think we did it was two hundred and nineteen filming 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.840 days within one calendar year. We shot it all within 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.760 two so we were all broken by the end of 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:03.159 that year. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.480 I can't even imagine. So the one episode, and one 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.480 thing about the episode that really struck me. I am 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.640 obsessed with elephants, and in it, it shows a moment 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.960 of you filming and while you're filming, there are bugs 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.760 all over your arm, and I was like, oh my god, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.280 he has to get attacked and bitten and just really 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.280 bothered by all of these things while he's sitting there 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.800 quietly and silently to not disturb other. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.960 Yeah, so we weren't just filming any elephants. We were 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.520 filming forest elephants. So I think most people are more 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.560 familiar with savannah elephants, which is a different species of elephant, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.560 and they're the ones in Lime King live in big 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.400 open plains alongside lions and hyenas and all that stuff. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.559 He's order fined because they're not hidden in the forest. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.960 Correct. So forest elephants, as their name suggests, live in 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.200 the forest. They live in deep, thick jungle. They also 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.640 really don't like people kill them, right, So that ivory 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.720 is more dense than savannah elephants, So for the ivory trade, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.120 their tusks are more valuable per pound per kilo, and 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.400 as a result, their numbers have just been decimated twelve 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.560 thousand in the last year. Yeah, I mean, it's it's 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.760 just wild and if and it's thought that if if 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.800 the rate of poaching in crete continues at the current rate, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.920 they could be gone within the next ten years, which 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.800 is why one of the largest land animals in the world. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.360 And yeah, we're doing the jungle totally. So so we 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.160 we you know, as that they don't like people, understandably, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.680 and so we want to film them behaving naturally. We 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.200 also want to stay safe because if you bump into 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.480 them in the forest, you know, they've got a personal space, 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.080 just like we humans do. If you if you enter 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.599 that personal space and surprise them, just like a person, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.760 they get very upset. And with a savannah elephant you 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.320 can see them from a long way away. You know 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.279 each other are coming in the jungle, you just bump 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.280 into each other. For that reason, we had to live 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.400 off the forest floor. That meant building a canopy camp 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.880 one hundred and twenty foot up a big sapilli tree 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.839 deep in the in the jungle. And yeah, so we 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.919 kind of zip line to work. It was pretty cool commute. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.920 But you mentioned about the bugs, So the entire time 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.800 during the day, like during daylight hours. If you're sweaty, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.400 you're covered in sweat bees. Now they don't bite, they 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.640 don't sting, they but they're looking for salt. Their diet, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.040 like the elephants diet, it's very salt deficient, so a 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.840 sweat is full of salt. So they just every time 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.560 you get sweaty, which is the whole time there because 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.560 it's hot and sticky, they just try and go in 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:25.080 any of your holes, in your nose, your ears, your eyes. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:26.680 Just take it. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.840 Well, you've just got a zen out because if you 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.160 if you, you know, start squishing them more and more 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.840 arrive and say you've just got a zen out. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.440 And there's no type of bug spray that can help 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.000 you out in this, not with. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.640 The sweat bees. No, they they just love sweat a lot. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.280 Also, in the beginning of that episode, it showed you 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.920 pretty much up in one of these trees filming and 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.200 a lightning storm is coming through. Yeah, they're like, Bertie, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.560 we need you back, and then use zipline across back 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.160 to the tent. How much adversity climate wise are you 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.760 guys facing in these different scenarios because you were in 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.280 the the Glopagus Africa to forget these elephants, and then 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.120 you're working with gorilla, which would terrify me. But we'll 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.320 get to that in a minute. I mean, how difficult 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:08.800 is this? How many times have you guys had to 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.200 stop filming because of the environment. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.680 Well, I mean it's a good question because I am 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.560 very often asked about, Oh, the animals are so dangerous, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.560 and that is just not true. The most dangerous thing 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.760 is people and the physical environment. Yeah. Probably the hairiest 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.000 encounter we had filming for animals up close was in 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.080 the Galapagos. We were filming marine iguanas, which are like 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.360 a mini Godzilla. They're like three or four feet long, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.520 and the biggest males. The males are the biggest. They're 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.320 the biggest and strongest, and they're all hunting foraging for seaweed, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.640 and the best seaweed grows where the currents and the 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.200 waves are biggest and strongest, and they're like pro surfers. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.200 They conduct dive under big ten foot waves. So we 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.600 wanted to go in the water to see what that 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.920 was like. We wanted to be a marine iguana, be 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.280 alongside them. And I don't know if you surf, but 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.640 if if you surf, you'll know that when you're waiting 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.360 for the waves to come in every now and again, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.280 like once every half hour, you'll get an extra big 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.000 set of waves, much bigger than all the others. And 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.079 surfing you can see that coming because you're on a 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.480 board on the surface. We were scuba diving under the waves, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.520 so you never know when that really big one's coming. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.840 And we thought we were safe kind of in a 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.400 little sheltered, kind of little rocky cave, and this extra 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.240 big set came through the iguanas all dived under it, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.720 and it just picked me and Jeff the guy was 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.920 filming me, It just picked us up and just flung 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.199 us in different directions. The underwater visibility went to zero 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.360 because it's just bubbles everywhere. And yeah, I remember hanging 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.720 onto a rock with one hand camera with my other hand, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:47.240 just really questioning my life choices. And fortunately, as well 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.880 as getting to hang out with cool animals, I get 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.800 to hang out with cool people. And I had this 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.040 guy called Haavia Mahuad, who's one of the top divers 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.960 in the Glapagus. He was safety diving for us, and 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.080 he was not in kind of it's called the suction 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.360 zone of the wave. He just watched both me and 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.600 Jeff just get ripped off in different directions and he 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.880 was giggling, I'm sure in his you know, scuba regulator 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.199 the whole time. And he came and found us and 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.559 kind of led us back into a safer spot. So, yeah, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.600 have you saved the day? 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.000 Good for him for being there. That's a terrifying position 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.880 to be in for any of them. We went to 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.400 Hawaii earlier in the year and we went to this 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.920 beach called Magic Sands. We didn't realize it was called 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.840 Magic Sand because you'll be standing on a rock, the 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.319 wave comes and all of a sudden, the sand's gone 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.880 and you're just splatted out on a rock and that's 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.079 just us on the surface. I can't imagine being down 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.600 there also with all of the different animals, because I 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.959 saw I believe it was you with a leopard seal 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.560 trying to eat your face and you're just like, oh, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.560 it's okay, behave oh behaved? What hell I would have? 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.800 It would have been an instant like crap my pants situation. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.080 Yeah, So that was in Epic Adventures, my last Disney 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.559 Plus show. We down in Antarctica and yeah, we were 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.640 actually sheltering from really bad weather came around this corner. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.559 Found a huge chin strap peng win colony, as you do. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.160 At the base of this penguin colony that probably had 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.400 you know, tens of thousands of birds in it, there 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.080 was this kind of rocky tongue that all the penguins 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.000 would use as a launch pad to get in the water. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.440 And they were all kind of lining up. They look 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.840 like commuters that rush out again on the subway, and 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.559 they were all kind of like, oh, I don't want 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.760 to get in. And the reason they were really nervous 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.600 because there was this massive female leopard seal that looks 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:24.200 like a dragon. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.319 Explain how big it is. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.920 I'm trying to think how big she was. She's like 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.760 ten foot plus, like, and like, they don't have it. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.120 They've got these really like serpentine necks, really long. They 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.680 look like a dragon underwater. Yeah. Really, they're an intimidating animal. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.840 And every leopard seal you get in the water with 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.080 is different. They have different personalities, and this one was 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.200 encountered quite a lot. Okay, yeah, some of them you 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.439 get in the water with and they don't want anything 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:53.920 to do with you. They're really shy. They disappear you 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.440 never see them. Some are really friendly and they come 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.520 over and like literally like lounge on your head. Some 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.359 imediately very bitey, very aggressive. This female was like perfect 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:10.160 because she was curious and bold, but not super bity, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:11.000 like I. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.880 Don't care if it's a little body, it's a upper seal. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.199 But let me clarify when I say bity like, these 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.360 are an ambush predator. If they wanted to kill you, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.559 you know nothing about it, they'd come out of nowhere. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.160 The fact that she was presenting herself to us meant 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.640 that this was this was curiosity. I should also say 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.400 that you know, if you or I want to find 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.360 out what a new funky object feels like. Well, you 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.800 mentioned the podcast idea, you have no you're going to 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.720 touch it, right because you got you got hands, right, Well, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.920 a seal doesn't have hands. They got flippers, so they 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.760 use their teeth and that's why yeah, us they Yeah, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.880 they kind of just get all up in your space. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.920 When you look at the encounters we're having, we're we're 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.679 animal experts or we're working with animal experts, and we're 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.840 reading the animal's body language the whole time. We're not 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.880 just throwing ourselves to the wolves. Now, that phrase in 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.320 itself is completely misfounded because wolves are't aggressive to people. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.320 That's a whole other side point all day. Don't worry 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.480 exactly right, Well yeah, yeah, so so in the case 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.679 of the seals, yeah, we're reading their body language. And 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.240 you see in the scene in that episode she gets 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.840 more and more fired up, more and more curious, and 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.760 it starts to go from being curious to being a 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.080 bit too a bit too bold and playful. And so 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:26.640 that was the time to get out. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.720 So what do you do on that situation? What if 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.520 you can't get. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.360 Out, you get out before it gets to that stage. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.160 Oh see, I wouldn't know that because I'd be trying 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.560 to touch it and all I'm hearing is leopard seal. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.560 Maybe you can touch it? 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.400 Yeah, well no, So everything is on their terms, right, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.880 So she dictates the encounter, and you'll see that we 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.199 are never touching her. I have a no big, no 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:51.760 touch policy, but we're never touching her. The encounter is 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.360 on her terms. She can come check us out or 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:54.679 she can leave us alone. It's up to her. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.560 So what kind of background did you have to get 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.679 into photography, but specifically animal photography and getting these up 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.840 close encounters because I imagine there's a lot of training 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.000 that goes into this, So. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.920 I guess I'm definitely interested in wild By First photography 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.240 and videos was a secondary thing, like what I was doing, 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.240 because when I was in particularly in my early teens, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:22.200 I'd sneak off from like sports practice, friends' birthdays, school 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.840 to like go and find animals in the farmland near 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.800 to where I lived. And you know, if you're choosing 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.760 to like skip football practice to go sneak up on 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.600 a badger, like when you're twelve, that's kind of a 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.840 weird thing to do. And I, you know, as soon 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.040 as I started showing people, oh this is why I 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.520 wasn't there, I was doing this, suddenly it's like, oh 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.160 that's cool. And suddenly it starts that you go from 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.920 being a bit weird to you know, people getting stoked 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.080 about the thing that you're stoked about, which is which 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.480 is always a goal, right if you love something, getting 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.360 someone else excited about it is is an amazing thing. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.440 That's why you're here, right, this this is amazing getting 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.400 people pumped. I want everybody to get pumped about it 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.800 because there's a lot of information as well as you're 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.400 gonna you're going to see the animals, You're going to 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.040 get up close to them, like you said, then you 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.920 learn a lot. I mean the poaching. We've known that 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.120 elephant poaching is going on for a long time, but 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.760 when you were actually holding some of those tusks and saying, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.480 this was an elephant a week ago, this was an 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.720 elephant last year, it's devastating that. Actually I told you earlier. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.120 You made me cry before we actually started recording. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.920 That's what That's what you're talking about. Yeah. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.480 I had to take a pause for a second because 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.760 I just I can't fathom how people could look at 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.640 something like that and decide they want to kill it. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.880 Yeah, oh no, it happened. Well, that turned on my waterworks. Yeah, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.960 that was I mean what so for context, Yeah, we 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.960 were visiting the anti poaching team in the Zangasanga National 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.400 Park in the Central African Republic. Amazing people that literally 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.440 put their lives on the line to protect these elephants. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.640 And Tatiana, one of the Tatiana solo, one of the 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.880 eco guards that she said, I want I want to 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.640 show you something and she led me into this shipping 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.280 container that was full of all of the tusks, elephant 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.040 tusks and guns and ammunition that they'd confiscated from poaches 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.320 that year. And what what was key about that was 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.320 it was that year. I mean, I know, poaching goes on. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.120 That's why we were there to you know, help tell 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.840 that story. But it was when there was there were 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.280 dates on each of the tusks, when they were killed, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.480 when they were confiscated, and and that was that made 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.440 it so much more real. And you know, yeah, first 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.520 tusk I picked up was from like a week ago. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.520 There was a huge task that was you know, taller 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:35.800 than me, weigh like fifty pounds. That that was. That 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.000 was really moving and yeah, I don't often get yeah 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.320 theory like that, and that was that was pretty dark. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.840 Absolutely I had a pose it for a second and 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.520 just be like I didn't. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.840 But I think that's that's a key thing part of 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.720 the show is that we show, as well as amazing 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.880 animal behavior, the bigger environmental context. You know, there's no 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.840 secret we humans are trashing the planet. Yeah, rible, But 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.520 the important thing before everyone gets too doomy and gloomy, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.920 is that in every episode, and this is the thing 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.399 that I'm most proud of with the series, we show 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.960 the good news, a lot of the solutions and a 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.159 lot of the amazing people already doing their bit to 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.439 change our relationship with the natural world. Because to me, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:23.200 that is the key for getting people stoked about trying 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.960 to change things, is that surely it's much better motivation 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.880 to be told this is what you can do, rather 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:30.800 than don't do this. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.120 Hope. It is terrifying, but it is good to know that, hey, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:35.520 at the end of this there might be something that 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.520 we can all do to make this a little bit better. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.920 You're doing the good work and I love that. By 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.400 the way, we are with Bertie Gregory, who is would 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.320 we call you the host creator of Animals up Close. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.040 We will go with host one of the camera people. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.000 Yeah, one of the Camera People is streaming on Disney 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.280 Plus right now. It dropped in September, September thirteenth, and 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.119 it's amazing. We have six episodes. And we were talking 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.119 about the different environments you were in, how dangerous they can. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.439 Have you ever had a well you were saying how 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.080 dangerous they were. Say they're dangerous. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.159 I mean if there's a leopard seal, you're just The 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.359 Arctic in general is cold. There's a lot of stuff 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.840 that can go wrong when you guys are out there 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.320 in the middle of the water filming orcus. I mean, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.600 have you ever been in a situation that you had 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.840 to exit immediately for some reason, whether it was the 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.040 animal or the environment. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.800 Well, I mean you you mentioned earlier when we were 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.560 filming the forest Elephant episode and we were living in 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.880 the forest canopy, staying off the floor so we didn't 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.080 disturb the elephants. We were in a there was a 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.920 big tropical lightning storm came through and famously, in a 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.040