1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's time for sauce on the side. This could get weird, 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: and it is gonna get weird, maybe not super weird. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: But hello, I'm gandhi, co host of the Elvis Aram 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Morning Show. We are on Z one hundred here in 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: New York City and we're syndicated on like eighty ish 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: stations across the country. But I've been working on this 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: podcast in my head only for like five years, gone 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: through a bunch of different versions of it, different co hosts, 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: different ideas, and finally settled on just doing it by 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: myself with my producer Andrew, who is sitting here silently. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, there we go, I could speak yay. 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is pretty much just talk 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: about the stuff that I want to talk about that 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: we don't talk about much on the big show, like 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: science and nature and OnlyFans, content, creators, comedians, all kinds 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: of stuff. Who else have we had in here? 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: We've got some good guests lined up for you, guys. 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to tease too much. Death Lady Yes, 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: oh my god, my favorite. But I've just loved working 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: with you and I can't wait for you guys to 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: like see all this behind the scenes stuff that's going 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: on finally come to life because Gandhi has put in 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: the work into this podcast. You guys, get ready make 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: sure you're liked and subscribed because this is going to 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: be a ride for you guys. 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they're such a good hype man. 27 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: Shoot thinks, where's this? 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: The rest of the time, you know, I. 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Do it subtly. 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: Andrew's fairly evil. I want you to know something about him. Okay, 31 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: he wants me to do a burn book. Go ahead 32 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: and explain your burn books. 33 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: So you have the most savage takedowns. I feel like 34 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: you can or is it destroy somebody? I feel with 35 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: your words. So I think a fun segment would be 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: Gandhi's burn book where you just take people down, tape 37 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: their picture in the book, and close it and we 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: move on. 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I already have like plenty of ideas. I also 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: think there's potential to maybe get me canceled, because you know, 41 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: everybody's like all sensitive and you never know why that 42 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: person acted that way on that day. 43 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: Canceled, shmanceled. I think you're gonna be fine. 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: He's a menace, by the way, Please know that behind 45 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: the scenes on TV shows, on radio shows, wherever it is, 46 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: it's the producer that are up to all the bullshit 47 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: and all the nonsense. So if anything terrible happens on 48 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: this show, it was Andrew's fault. But first, I want 49 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: to get to my first guest on my first podcast, 50 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: because I'm so excited. It is right up my alley, 51 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: Bertie Gregory. Let's give it up. Yay, it's just me, Hi, Bertie, 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: how are you. 53 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: I'm very good. Thanks, thanks for having me, Thank you. 54 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: For coming, because I'm about to harass you in a 55 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: good way, I promise. 56 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: Okay, there's a good way. Okay, good, good way. I 57 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: look forward to being harassed in a good way. 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: So, if you don't know Bertie Gregory, he is. How 59 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: would we say? You are a wildlife photographer, documentarian of 60 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: all of the things that I would love to be. 61 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: How do you describe yourself? 62 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: Uh? 63 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I hang out with animals for a living, 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: wild animals for a living, and uh yeah, fortunate enough 65 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: to make make wildlife films. 66 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, genuinely my dream. I have a dream of doing 67 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a podcast called Can I Touch It? Where, yeah, people 68 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: will get interested by the name, but then it will 69 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: just be a series of me trying to touch different 70 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: animals and seeing if indeed they attack me. You can 71 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: have that idea if you want to, because I don't 72 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: think they're gonna let me do it here. 73 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: Got it? 74 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: But you really get to do this. So I just 75 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: started watching your series Animals up close. If you want 76 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: to stream it, you can stream on Disney Plus. 77 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been it's been really really cool. You know, 78 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: you work on something for such a long time, you 79 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: get so close to it and then it's like, how 80 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: are people gonna react? So it's been awesome seeing, Yeah, 81 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: seeing what resonates with people and what doesn't. 82 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any of it doesn't resonate. The thing 83 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: that struck me the most is what you just said, 84 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: how long you've been working on it? Because you've got 85 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: six episodes right, ye, and they're in very different climates 86 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: across the world, and you're tracking these animals and watching 87 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: them for a long time. How long did it take 88 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: to do these six episodes that we get to see 89 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: in what an hour ish? 90 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? So they're all about forty forty five minutes. So 91 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: what's interesting is that I think you know in when 92 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: you're making a wildlife film, time is your greatest adversary. 93 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: Tom Cruise line that, Yeah, and really you need the time. 94 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: That is the key thing, and you need to spend 95 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: a lot of time, and that is so you can 96 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: learn the habits of the animals, make relationships with the 97 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: local people, and really you know, figure out how these 98 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: animals tick. And that's how you make films. Usually, with 99 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: the wildlife films that I work on that are kind 100 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: of pure wildlife, they're called blue chip naturalistory shows. Typically 101 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: those are four years long, and there's a year of research, 102 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 3: two years of filming, and a year of editing. Animals 103 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: up close A bit different. It's because each episode is 104 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: just about one animal rather than taking you around the world. 105 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: We tend to do one or two shoots per episode, 106 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: but these shoots are long, so usually we're spending four 107 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: to six weeks per episode. The most number of days 108 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: I think we spent on any episode was the Patagonia 109 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: Puma episode. The Puma episode, but across the series I 110 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: think we did it was two hundred and nineteen filming 111 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: days within one calendar year. We shot it all within 112 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: two so we were all broken by the end of 113 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: that year. 114 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. So the one episode, and one 115 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: thing about the episode that really struck me. I am 116 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: obsessed with elephants, and in it, it shows a moment 117 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: of you filming and while you're filming, there are bugs 118 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: all over your arm, and I was like, oh my god, 119 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: he has to get attacked and bitten and just really 120 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: bothered by all of these things while he's sitting there 121 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: quietly and silently to not disturb other. 122 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we weren't just filming any elephants. We were 123 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: filming forest elephants. So I think most people are more 124 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: familiar with savannah elephants, which is a different species of elephant, 125 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: and they're the ones in Lime King live in big 126 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: open plains alongside lions and hyenas and all that stuff. 127 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: He's order fined because they're not hidden in the forest. 128 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Correct. So forest elephants, as their name suggests, live in 129 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: the forest. They live in deep, thick jungle. They also 130 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: really don't like people kill them, right, So that ivory 131 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: is more dense than savannah elephants, So for the ivory trade, 132 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: their tusks are more valuable per pound per kilo, and 133 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: as a result, their numbers have just been decimated twelve 134 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: thousand in the last year. Yeah, I mean, it's it's 135 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: just wild and if and it's thought that if if 136 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: the rate of poaching in crete continues at the current rate, 137 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: they could be gone within the next ten years, which 138 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: is why one of the largest land animals in the world. 139 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, we're doing the jungle totally. So so we 140 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: we you know, as that they don't like people, understandably, 141 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: and so we want to film them behaving naturally. We 142 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: also want to stay safe because if you bump into 143 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: them in the forest, you know, they've got a personal space, 144 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: just like we humans do. If you if you enter 145 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: that personal space and surprise them, just like a person, 146 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: they get very upset. And with a savannah elephant you 147 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: can see them from a long way away. You know 148 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: each other are coming in the jungle, you just bump 149 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: into each other. For that reason, we had to live 150 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: off the forest floor. That meant building a canopy camp 151 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty foot up a big sapilli tree 152 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: deep in the in the jungle. And yeah, so we 153 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: kind of zip line to work. It was pretty cool commute. 154 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: But you mentioned about the bugs, So the entire time 155 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: during the day, like during daylight hours. If you're sweaty, 156 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: you're covered in sweat bees. Now they don't bite, they 157 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: don't sting, they but they're looking for salt. Their diet, 158 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: like the elephants diet, it's very salt deficient, so a 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: sweat is full of salt. So they just every time 160 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: you get sweaty, which is the whole time there because 161 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: it's hot and sticky, they just try and go in 162 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: any of your holes, in your nose, your ears, your eyes. 163 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: Just take it. 164 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: Well, you've just got a zen out because if you 165 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: if you, you know, start squishing them more and more 166 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: arrive and say you've just got a zen out. 167 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: And there's no type of bug spray that can help 168 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: you out in this, not with. 169 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: The sweat bees. No, they they just love sweat a lot. 170 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: Also, in the beginning of that episode, it showed you 171 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: pretty much up in one of these trees filming and 172 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: a lightning storm is coming through. Yeah, they're like, Bertie, 173 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: we need you back, and then use zipline across back 174 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: to the tent. How much adversity climate wise are you 175 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: guys facing in these different scenarios because you were in 176 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: the the Glopagus Africa to forget these elephants, and then 177 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: you're working with gorilla, which would terrify me. But we'll 178 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: get to that in a minute. I mean, how difficult 179 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: is this? How many times have you guys had to 180 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: stop filming because of the environment. 181 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's a good question because I am 182 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: very often asked about, Oh, the animals are so dangerous, 183 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: and that is just not true. The most dangerous thing 184 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: is people and the physical environment. Yeah. Probably the hairiest 185 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: encounter we had filming for animals up close was in 186 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: the Galapagos. We were filming marine iguanas, which are like 187 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: a mini Godzilla. They're like three or four feet long, 188 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: and the biggest males. The males are the biggest. They're 189 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: the biggest and strongest, and they're all hunting foraging for seaweed, 190 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: and the best seaweed grows where the currents and the 191 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: waves are biggest and strongest, and they're like pro surfers. 192 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: They conduct dive under big ten foot waves. So we 193 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: wanted to go in the water to see what that 194 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: was like. We wanted to be a marine iguana, be 195 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: alongside them. And I don't know if you surf, but 196 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: if if you surf, you'll know that when you're waiting 197 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: for the waves to come in every now and again, 198 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: like once every half hour, you'll get an extra big 199 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: set of waves, much bigger than all the others. And 200 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: surfing you can see that coming because you're on a 201 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: board on the surface. We were scuba diving under the waves, 202 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: so you never know when that really big one's coming. 203 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: And we thought we were safe kind of in a 204 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: little sheltered, kind of little rocky cave, and this extra 205 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: big set came through the iguanas all dived under it, 206 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: and it just picked me and Jeff the guy was 207 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: filming me, It just picked us up and just flung 208 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: us in different directions. The underwater visibility went to zero 209 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: because it's just bubbles everywhere. And yeah, I remember hanging 210 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: onto a rock with one hand camera with my other hand, 211 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: just really questioning my life choices. And fortunately, as well 212 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: as getting to hang out with cool animals, I get 213 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: to hang out with cool people. And I had this 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: guy called Haavia Mahuad, who's one of the top divers 215 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: in the Glapagus. He was safety diving for us, and 216 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: he was not in kind of it's called the suction 217 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: zone of the wave. He just watched both me and 218 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: Jeff just get ripped off in different directions and he 219 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: was giggling, I'm sure in his you know, scuba regulator 220 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: the whole time. And he came and found us and 221 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: kind of led us back into a safer spot. So, yeah, 222 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: have you saved the day? 223 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Good for him for being there. That's a terrifying position 224 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: to be in for any of them. We went to 225 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: Hawaii earlier in the year and we went to this 226 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: beach called Magic Sands. We didn't realize it was called 227 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: Magic Sand because you'll be standing on a rock, the 228 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: wave comes and all of a sudden, the sand's gone 229 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: and you're just splatted out on a rock and that's 230 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: just us on the surface. I can't imagine being down 231 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: there also with all of the different animals, because I 232 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: saw I believe it was you with a leopard seal 233 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: trying to eat your face and you're just like, oh, 234 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: it's okay, behave oh behaved? What hell I would have? 235 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: It would have been an instant like crap my pants situation. 236 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was in Epic Adventures, my last Disney 237 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 3: Plus show. We down in Antarctica and yeah, we were 238 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: actually sheltering from really bad weather came around this corner. 239 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: Found a huge chin strap peng win colony, as you do. 240 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: At the base of this penguin colony that probably had 241 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, tens of thousands of birds in it, there 242 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: was this kind of rocky tongue that all the penguins 243 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: would use as a launch pad to get in the water. 244 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: And they were all kind of lining up. They look 245 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: like commuters that rush out again on the subway, and 246 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: they were all kind of like, oh, I don't want 247 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: to get in. And the reason they were really nervous 248 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: because there was this massive female leopard seal that looks 249 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: like a dragon. 250 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: Explain how big it is. 251 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think how big she was. She's like 252 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: ten foot plus, like, and like, they don't have it. 253 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: They've got these really like serpentine necks, really long. They 254 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: look like a dragon underwater. Yeah. Really, they're an intimidating animal. 255 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: And every leopard seal you get in the water with 256 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: is different. They have different personalities, and this one was 257 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: encountered quite a lot. Okay, yeah, some of them you 258 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 3: get in the water with and they don't want anything 259 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: to do with you. They're really shy. They disappear you 260 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: never see them. Some are really friendly and they come 261 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: over and like literally like lounge on your head. Some 262 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,359 Speaker 3: imediately very bitey, very aggressive. This female was like perfect 263 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: because she was curious and bold, but not super bity, 264 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: like I. 265 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Don't care if it's a little body, it's a upper seal. 266 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 3: But let me clarify when I say bity like, these 267 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: are an ambush predator. If they wanted to kill you, 268 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 3: you know nothing about it, they'd come out of nowhere. 269 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: The fact that she was presenting herself to us meant 270 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: that this was this was curiosity. I should also say 271 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: that you know, if you or I want to find 272 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: out what a new funky object feels like. Well, you 273 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: mentioned the podcast idea, you have no you're going to 274 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: touch it, right because you got you got hands, right, Well, 275 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: a seal doesn't have hands. They got flippers, so they 276 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: use their teeth and that's why yeah, us they Yeah, 277 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: they kind of just get all up in your space. 278 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: When you look at the encounters we're having, we're we're 279 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 3: animal experts or we're working with animal experts, and we're 280 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: reading the animal's body language the whole time. We're not 281 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: just throwing ourselves to the wolves. Now, that phrase in 282 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: itself is completely misfounded because wolves are't aggressive to people. 283 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: That's a whole other side point all day. Don't worry 284 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: exactly right, Well yeah, yeah, so so in the case 285 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 3: of the seals, yeah, we're reading their body language. And 286 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: you see in the scene in that episode she gets 287 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: more and more fired up, more and more curious, and 288 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: it starts to go from being curious to being a 289 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: bit too a bit too bold and playful. And so 290 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: that was the time to get out. 291 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: So what do you do on that situation? What if 292 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: you can't get. 293 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: Out, you get out before it gets to that stage. 294 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Oh see, I wouldn't know that because I'd be trying 295 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: to touch it and all I'm hearing is leopard seal. 296 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: Maybe you can touch it? 297 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, So everything is on their terms, right, 298 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: So she dictates the encounter, and you'll see that we 299 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 3: are never touching her. I have a no big, no 300 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: touch policy, but we're never touching her. The encounter is 301 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: on her terms. She can come check us out or 302 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 3: she can leave us alone. It's up to her. 303 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: So what kind of background did you have to get 304 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: into photography, but specifically animal photography and getting these up 305 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: close encounters because I imagine there's a lot of training 306 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: that goes into this, So. 307 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: I guess I'm definitely interested in wild By First photography 308 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: and videos was a secondary thing, like what I was doing, 309 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: because when I was in particularly in my early teens, 310 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: I'd sneak off from like sports practice, friends' birthdays, school 311 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: to like go and find animals in the farmland near 312 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: to where I lived. And you know, if you're choosing 313 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: to like skip football practice to go sneak up on 314 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: a badger, like when you're twelve, that's kind of a 315 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: weird thing to do. And I, you know, as soon 316 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: as I started showing people, oh this is why I 317 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: wasn't there, I was doing this, suddenly it's like, oh 318 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: that's cool. And suddenly it starts that you go from 319 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: being a bit weird to you know, people getting stoked 320 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: about the thing that you're stoked about, which is which 321 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: is always a goal, right if you love something, getting 322 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: someone else excited about it is is an amazing thing. 323 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: That's why you're here, right, this this is amazing getting 324 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: people pumped. I want everybody to get pumped about it 325 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of information as well as you're 326 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: gonna you're going to see the animals, You're going to 327 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: get up close to them, like you said, then you 328 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: learn a lot. I mean the poaching. We've known that 329 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: elephant poaching is going on for a long time, but 330 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: when you were actually holding some of those tusks and saying, 331 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: this was an elephant a week ago, this was an 332 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: elephant last year, it's devastating that. Actually I told you earlier. 333 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: You made me cry before we actually started recording. 334 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: That's what That's what you're talking about. Yeah. 335 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I had to take a pause for a second because 336 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: I just I can't fathom how people could look at 337 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: something like that and decide they want to kill it. 338 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, it happened. Well, that turned on my waterworks. Yeah, 339 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: that was I mean what so for context, Yeah, we 340 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: were visiting the anti poaching team in the Zangasanga National 341 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: Park in the Central African Republic. Amazing people that literally 342 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: put their lives on the line to protect these elephants. 343 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: And Tatiana, one of the Tatiana solo, one of the 344 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: eco guards that she said, I want I want to 345 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: show you something and she led me into this shipping 346 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: container that was full of all of the tusks, elephant 347 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: tusks and guns and ammunition that they'd confiscated from poaches 348 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: that year. And what what was key about that was 349 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: it was that year. I mean, I know, poaching goes on. 350 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: That's why we were there to you know, help tell 351 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: that story. But it was when there was there were 352 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: dates on each of the tusks, when they were killed, 353 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: when they were confiscated, and and that was that made 354 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: it so much more real. And you know, yeah, first 355 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: tusk I picked up was from like a week ago. 356 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: There was a huge task that was you know, taller 357 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: than me, weigh like fifty pounds. That that was. That 358 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: was really moving and yeah, I don't often get yeah 359 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: theory like that, and that was that was pretty dark. 360 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely I had a pose it for a second and 361 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: just be like I didn't. 362 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: But I think that's that's a key thing part of 363 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: the show is that we show, as well as amazing 364 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: animal behavior, the bigger environmental context. You know, there's no 365 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: secret we humans are trashing the planet. Yeah, rible, But 366 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: the important thing before everyone gets too doomy and gloomy, 367 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: is that in every episode, and this is the thing 368 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 3: that I'm most proud of with the series, we show 369 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: the good news, a lot of the solutions and a 370 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: lot of the amazing people already doing their bit to 371 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: change our relationship with the natural world. Because to me, 372 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: that is the key for getting people stoked about trying 373 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: to change things, is that surely it's much better motivation 374 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 3: to be told this is what you can do, rather 375 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: than don't do this. 376 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: Hope. It is terrifying, but it is good to know that, hey, 377 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: at the end of this there might be something that 378 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: we can all do to make this a little bit better. 379 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: You're doing the good work and I love that. By 380 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: the way, we are with Bertie Gregory, who is would 381 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: we call you the host creator of Animals up Close. 382 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: We will go with host one of the camera people. 383 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the Camera People is streaming on Disney 384 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Plus right now. It dropped in September, September thirteenth, and 385 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: it's amazing. We have six episodes. And we were talking 386 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: about the different environments you were in, how dangerous they can. 387 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 3: Have you ever had a well you were saying how 388 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: dangerous they were. Say they're dangerous. 389 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: I mean if there's a leopard seal, you're just The 390 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: Arctic in general is cold. There's a lot of stuff 391 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: that can go wrong when you guys are out there 392 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the water filming orcus. I mean, 393 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a situation that you had 394 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: to exit immediately for some reason, whether it was the 395 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: animal or the environment. 396 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you you mentioned earlier when we were 397 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: filming the forest Elephant episode and we were living in 398 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: the forest canopy, staying off the floor so we didn't 399 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: disturb the elephants. We were in a there was a 400 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: big tropical lightning storm came through and famously, in a 401 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: lightning storm, you're it's recommended that you're not up at 402 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 3: all object covered in metal, and we were up a 403 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty foot tree that we'd covered in 404 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: metal our camp. So we had a plan, it was 405 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: called the bailout plan for if this happened, and the 406 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: idea was to clip into a high line of zip 407 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 3: line that took a to a neighboring tree that was 408 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: not covered in metal, and in theory, therefore we'd be safe. 409 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: What we didn't plan was that this happened on the 410 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: first night we were in the canopy. It was in 411 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: the middle of the night and it was torrential rain. 412 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: So the thing that we don't mention in the show 413 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: was so Meg, one of the tree experts. She was 414 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: across first. I went second, and me and Meg got 415 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: over to the safety of the tree and Meg was like, 416 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: you're good. I'm like, yeah, I'm good, You're good. And 417 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: then Meg, Meg and I had this realization. We looked 418 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: around in this tree that was meant to be our 419 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: safe tree, and Drew, our sound recordist, he was based 420 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: in that tree for filming, so to increase the transmission range, 421 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 3: he'd covered that tree in aerials that are made of metal. 422 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: So Drew had in fact covered our safe tree in metal, 423 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: which was entirely the point of the tree. So Meg 424 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 3: and I just sat there like, ah oh dear. But 425 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: fortunately the storm carried on going and it was a 426 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: source of good entertainment later that. 427 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: Are you guys ever visited by things that you did 428 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: not anticipate visiting? 429 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a lot of birds, you know that they 430 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: instinctively are scared of upright mammals on the ground. A 431 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 3: lot of them are hunted by us humans. But when 432 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: you're in the trees, you know that's not a place 433 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: that we humans hunt things from, and so they're much 434 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: more bold Yeah, loads of different birds that on the 435 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 3: ground you could never get anywhere near, and suddenly they're 436 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 3: really bold. 437 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: Do you guys ever have encounters with, say, people like 438 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: the poachers, who the egoguards are there to protect against. 439 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever had any human issues? 440 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was in the film. We did hear 441 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 3: gunshots one night that was poaches poaching, but yeah, they 442 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: didn't come to where we were. Fortunately. 443 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: Is there certain things that you are there certain things 444 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to wear or not wear when you're out, 445 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: let's say, dealing with the gorillas. You actually got very 446 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: close to a silver bacuerilla, which I would find terrify 447 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: You guys just seem to be fine with it. But 448 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: what are the rules of something like that? And can 449 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I touch it? 450 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: And definitely not that would be very bad for everything involved, 451 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: mostly you. So the gorillas, they have this amazing group 452 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: of people that they take it in turns, but they've 453 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: they're followed. But gorillas that have never seen people, are 454 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: you know, run away from people. These gorillas have been 455 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: habituated over many, many years of being followed. In the 456 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: case of the gorilla family we were filming. Yeah, mccumba 457 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: is the name of the Big the Big Male Silverback. 458 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 3: He was born in nineteen eighty and yeah, this project 459 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: has known him pretty much every every day of his 460 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: life and as a result, he's kind of familiar with 461 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: with with people and as long as you're with one 462 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: of those people. Interestingly, the whole time the person I 463 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: was with, he's called osolo. He was going all the time, 464 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 3: and that is something that he does. The Gorilla family 465 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: know that. Oh that's a thing that you know, the 466 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: human we know makes and and that was that was 467 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: I guess their way of saying, you know, it was 468 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: like be saying, Oh, it's Bertie here, it's Bertie here. 469 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: You're good, You're fine. 470 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Thank God for all these people who allow you to 471 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: get into places that. How else would you get back 472 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: there and be able to do. 473 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: This totally well, I get very lost, never mind never 474 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: mind being able to film the Gorillas. 475 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I know season one. If season one just the 476 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: six episodes correct, not just but obviously took your whole 477 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: year to do it. Do we have a season two coming? 478 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: That depends how many people watch it. So if you 479 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: go watch it, so if you enjoy it, please yeah, 480 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: share it. With your friends and family, watch it on Loop. Yeah, 481 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: I will so much appreciated streaming. 482 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: On Disney plus animals up close. If you get a 483 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: season two, do you already have the animals in mind 484 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: that you what are they? 485 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: That would be a secret? Oh the secret spoilers, So 486 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: you got it. 487 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: You have to tease people so that they all go 488 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: watch it, so that you can get Well. 489 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: All I can promise is that if we are lucky 490 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: enough to get another season, it will be equally, if 491 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 3: not more epic and more exciting. 492 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: Can you give us countries, no regions of the world, 493 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: no nothing? Can you do a rhymes with damn it? All? 494 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: Right? 495 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Well season or trying that. I'll keep going. As soon 496 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: as the microphone shut off, I will continue to ask 497 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: you if we want to follow you on Instagram? Where 498 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: do we find you at? 499 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: Bertie Gregory? And yeah, that's where I post lots of 500 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: fun stuff about about the series and behind the scenes, 501 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 3: some stuff that well, I mean, the series is kind 502 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: of behind the scenes, so behind the scenes and behind 503 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 3: the scenes, which is that it's quite meta. Yeah, so 504 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: so yeah, that's that's the best way of staying in touch. 505 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, if if anyone has any questions or feedback, 506 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: positive or negative. We love it mostly the positive feedback. Yeah, 507 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: but it's good to improve. So yeah, constructive criticism okay, 508 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: much appreciated. 509 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: Instagram is great at constructive criticism. It is there anything 510 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: you want us to know about what you're doing that 511 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: we haven't covered? 512 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: I think the thing that I love about the format 513 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: of this series we want you to feel like you're 514 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: on the expeditions with us. We want you to go 515 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: through the emotional and physical highs and lows. I mean, 516 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: you're not going to go through the physical highs and 517 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: lows emotional, although that might be a fun interactive thing. 518 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: Scorching Sun there's like a yeah, Scorching Sun treadmill that 519 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: like goes up really steep when you've got to climb 520 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: the mountain with us bugs. Yeah, well that's season two. 521 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: Then is the four D Animals up Close Experience Animals 522 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: up Closer? 523 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so through these episodes you have dealt with let 524 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: me see if I can remember all of them. African 525 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: wild dogs orcas. That was fascinating by the way, watching them. Yeah, 526 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: it made me very sad for the seals, but that's 527 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: what they and the. 528 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: Key thing is we're celebrating just how intelligent these killers are. 529 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: I mean, could you imagine being smart enough and like 530 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: physically capable of as a family creating a wave with 531 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: your bodies to wash a seal off of a chunk 532 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: of icin into the water. 533 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: No, I am a radio DJ. That's not o thing. 534 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: The intelligence, We're not really there. So you've got the Orcas, 535 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: You've got the wild dogs. You went to the Galapagos 536 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: Islands and dealt with the iguanas like Little Godzilla's elephants, Pumas. 537 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: What am I missing? 538 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: You're missing Devil Ray, Devil Ray Island. 539 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: Yes, of these six episodes and these encounters with these animals, 540 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite? 541 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 3: I should say that's impressive that you rattled off most 542 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: of that list. I struggle with that sometimes, yet it's 543 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: cool line. So my favorite has got to be the 544 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 3: Patagonia Puma episode, just because we weren't going to find 545 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: any puma. We were going to find one puma in particular. 546 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: She's called Pataka. She's a female puma that I've known 547 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: since she was a cub, and we went back four 548 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: years on to see how she was doing. And not 549 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: only has she survived those four years, which is a 550 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: big deal for a wild puma. You know, the survival 551 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: rate is not really high. But she's just transformed from 552 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: this cute little bundle of fluff that was totally reliant 553 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: on her mother to now this powerful mother herself with 554 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: two cubs of her own. And you know, we are 555 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: trained to emotionally disconnect from our subjects so that we 556 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: can focus on keeping you know, them in focus and 557 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: in frame. But when you've known an animal, you know, 558 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: since it was a little cub, and she is battling 559 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: males that are twice as heavy as her that are 560 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: trying to kill her cubs. She took us on this 561 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: crazy rollercoaster emotional and physical, and that was really special. 562 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: Does she have any memory of you guys being around? 563 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: Does she just ignore you? Does she? 564 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: I mean I've described her as a long lost friend. 565 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: This is very much a one way relationship. She sees 566 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 3: us as part of the landscape, and as much as 567 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: I want her to really enjoy our company, she doesn't 568 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: care about us. 569 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: So Patagonia Puma, Can I touch it? 570 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: Definitely not. 571 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: Is there anything you would say I could touch? 572 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Maybe? 573 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, But in all seriousness, you know, these are wild 574 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: animals and nine hundred and ninety nine times out of 575 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: a thousand, when you hear about a wild animal attacking 576 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: a human, it's because the humans have done something wrong, 577 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: like try to touch it. I once, this is a 578 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 3: true story. I was once filming black Bears in British 579 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: Columbia and I went to this place and I saw 580 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: this family with a small daughter, and the family were 581 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: putting honey on the small daughter's hands. Oh, and I 582 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: wandered over and said, what exactly are you planning here? 583 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 3: And they said, oh, we're putting honey on her hands 584 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: so she can go over and feed the bears. The 585 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: problem with this, as well as being totally bizarre that 586 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 3: you think this is a good idea, is that something 587 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: bad will happen in this situation and ultimately the animal 588 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: will suffer. Maybe the human will get injured, but always 589 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: the animal suffers, and that is why it's such a 590 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: selfish thing to do. The show is called Animals up Close. 591 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 3: We do get close to these animals, but I should 592 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: say we're experts are working with experts. It's on their terms. 593 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: We all want to hang out with these animals because 594 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 3: we love them and want them to do great things 595 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: and be ambassadors for their species, but we need to 596 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: make sure that their well being is the most important. 597 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: Thing, all right, So we will end it on don't 598 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: touch it, even if you want to, don't do it. 599 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking to myself because I don't think a lot 600 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: of other people will try to touch it. That's a 601 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: good note. The animal suffers the consequence, not us again. 602 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: Animals up close streaming on Disney Plus right now on 603 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: the net. Geotile is where you need to find. 604 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: It, correct, sweet, Yeah, if you just search animals up close, 605 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: you'll find it. 606 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: All right. Well, thank you so much. It's been so 607 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: fascinating talking to you. I could do this all day long. 608 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: But I know that you have a life and things 609 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: that you have to do, and you have secrets that 610 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: you don't want to tell us. But we'll get to that, 611 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll have you back here again to be 612 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: talking about season two. 613 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: That would be cool. 614 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Thank you, Bertie Gregory, thanks very much. 615 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: And now after something so amazing and profound and interesting, 616 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: we get back to the bare bones of this podcast. 617 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: All right, So, Andrew, let's talk about your first idea. 618 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: What is it that you think I should do well? 619 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: Gandhi. I first of all loved that interview. That was 620 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: so fun. What a great guess. 621 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: Here comes the producer show. 622 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear it. 623 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: Uh huh, please more smoke up my ass. 624 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: Please, You're wonderful. 625 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. What's your idea? 626 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: My idea is Gandhi's burn book. I think it's a 627 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: really fun idea because you have the most savage takedowns 628 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: of people or things or situations Like I feel like 629 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: when I need to come to somebody for snark, You're 630 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: usually one of my first people to go to. Oh, 631 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: I've always compared you to like a Teddy bear with 632 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: like a knife. 633 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: You have on multiple occasions. 634 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: Yes, And so I feel like for our listeners, like 635 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: they could take situations like I know of a couple 636 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: of things that are really annoying you, and I'd love 637 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: to see you, like almost write them out here. 638 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: You want me to air out my grievances. 639 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: Air out your grievances, write it in the burn book, 640 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: close it, and let's go. 641 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Do you think people know what a burn book is? 642 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, if they don't, they need to go watch the 643 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: two thousand and four hit movie Mean Girls Iconic. It 644 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: is one of the best movies of all time. I 645 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: rewatched it recently. It still holds up one of the 646 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: greatest movies of all time. 647 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: Okay, burn book. You know who's going on my burn book? First? 648 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: Kevin from Mean Girls? You want to talk about this? 649 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: Have I told you about that? 650 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: It first first entry and most fitting is Kevin from 651 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: Mean Girls. 652 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: Kevin from Me let Me Pull Them up here? So Kevin, 653 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: if you recall, he was like the head of the mathletes, 654 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: the Indian guy Kevin, it was just poor Yeah, okay, 655 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: Kevin napour. 656 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: Kevin g thank. 657 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: He apparently did Mean Girls, and then he quit Hollywood altogether. 658 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: The reason he quit, according to the things that I've read, 659 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: was because he really truly, deeply prepared to have the 660 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: role of Pie in the Life of Pie, great freaking movie, 661 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: great book, by the if you haven't seen it, he 662 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: really practiced. He did all kinds of things to prepare 663 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: for this role, and his agent essentially said, it's definitely yours. Well, 664 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: fast forward, all these years later, we know it was 665 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: not his. It went to Dev Patel from slum Dog Millionaire, 666 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: also a great movie. 667 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, love that one. 668 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: And for those reasons, Kevin Depoor left Hollywood because he 669 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: was devastated and he's never returned. So I was like, oh, 670 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: this is fascinating. Okay, you know what, I have a 671 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: podcast coming out. Let me hit up Kevin Dapoor because 672 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: I would love to talk to him about what's going on. 673 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: Indian person to Indian person. By the way, we call 674 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: ourselves they folk, they sy to day. See we can 675 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about what's going on and being Indian in the 676 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: entertainment industry and all these different things. Kevin Dapoor from 677 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: Mean Girls, who has been an abb movie, wrote back 678 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: to me and said, sure, I'll do your podcast. My 679 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: podcast VI is two thousand dollars. Please reach out to 680 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: my team and we can make it happen, at which 681 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: point I just said the fuck. 682 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's insane. That's insane, right, two thousand dollars 683 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: to if you're on a podcast on my. 684 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: Podcast, I know what kind of budget you think I'm 685 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: working with, buddy. Oh my god. I was just like Wow, 686 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: the audacity. 687 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: The audacity of being in a movie and. 688 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: Ah movie and then being like, sure, here's my podcast. 689 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: Be whoa Kevin Depoor, You're on my list? Buddy. Also, 690 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: I really hope you're getting your two thousand dollars for 691 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: every podcast that you do, and I would like to 692 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: hear all. 693 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: Of them or one of them. 694 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're anywhere. To be honest, I 695 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: know that was a shitty thing to say, but Kevin 696 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: really pissed me off. So he can be first in 697 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: the burn book. 698 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: And that is exactly what I wanted it to be. 699 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: Oh, you want me to burn random actors or just 700 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: like whatever. 701 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: Is on your mind. I feel like, yeah, you're just 702 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: I don't. I hate the use of this works. It 703 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: feel it's overused, especially by gen Z. But like I feel, 704 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: you're savage. 705 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: Oh well, times all right. I like to think of 706 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: myself as the teddy Bear without the knife, just a 707 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: teddy bear. But I'll take it, I understand. I like 708 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: to think I lead with truth. 709 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: Okay, that's what we'll call it, leading my or speaking. 710 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: My truth, speaking my truth. That's what's happening here. So, 711 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: Kevin Napour, if you ever change your mind and you'd 712 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: like to do a podcast without a two thousand dollars fee, 713 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here for you, buddy. You can come. 714 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: This is a safe space, even though it probably doesn't 715 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: feel like that to you at the moment. I will 716 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: make it feel like a more safe space. And I 717 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: hope that you and your ceramics are killing it out 718 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: there and that's just you speaking your truth. That is 719 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: my truth. 720 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: Are we changing the title to know speaking your Truth? 721 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: I actually love that. 722 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: But the burnbuck is actually really good too. Maybe we'll 723 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: just leave the burn book for Kevin Napour because it's perfect, 724 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: that timing is perfect. 725 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: It's in, but the segment could be called Speaker Truth. 726 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're in here, and I'm glad that you're 727 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: my producer. 728 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: Well for now, glad to be working on this show. 729 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: And I'm very excited. 730 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. 731 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: A lot of exciting guests coming and I'm so excited. 732 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: I feel like even when you don't have guests, just 733 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: I feel peeling apart. Your mind is fun, Like I 734 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: love going out for dinners with you, chatting with you 735 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: just on the side, like outside of the show, Like 736 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: you just have so many fun layers that I feel 737 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: like whether you're just talking by yourself and like a 738 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: random ramble like. 739 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Don't makee people think I talked to myself. 740 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: No, I'm sure you don't. 741 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: I do all the time. 742 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: I know you do. I feel like you talk to 743 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: your plants, you talk. 744 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: To like that's how it helps him grow. 745 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm just excited that everybody is going to 746 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: get to like see the inside of your mind a 747 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: little bit more like we all get to here. 748 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's I guess what we're going to be 749 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: doing here. We're going to have glimpses into the inside 750 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: of my brain. Good luck everybody. My sister says, it's 751 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: a terrifying place. I think we're going to talk to 752 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: amazing guests like Bertie Gregory. He was awesome and wonderful 753 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: and well and with an ask me anything should we 754 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: do one? 755 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: Now? Sure? 756 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: Here, I'm going to hand you my phone, Andrew, and 757 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: you pick one that you think is a good one. 758 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: Okay, the power I wheeled, the power. I love being producer. 759 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: Oh Neil de grasse Tyson started a live video. 760 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 2: Time to join that one. 761 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: Love him. 762 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, this is actually a really good question. I 763 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 2: feel for the first episode, it's kind of deep, but 764 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: at the same time, I I love it. Okay, So 765 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: do I read the name? Sure? So? 766 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: Aita, I bet that's how you say it? 767 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: Angiita asks on Instagram. When did you realize that marriage 768 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: was not for you and how did you come to 769 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: that realization. 770 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good question, Angiita. If you listen to 771 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: The Big Show, you've probably heard me say I don't 772 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: believe in marriage. I'm never going to get married. I 773 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: am in a relationship. I've been dating my boyfriend for 774 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: four years now and we're both on the same page. 775 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: We don't need to get married. I don't want to 776 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: have kids, and I think that if you are in 777 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: a financially stable situation, there's really no reason to go 778 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: get married and involve the government in your love affairs 779 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: or whatever is going on. That's part of it, but 780 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: the bigger part, honestly, I think that I know, we 781 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: know a lot of people, and I'm not talking about 782 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: anybody on the show, so do not jump to conclusions. 783 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: But people who are married and they're not happy, and 784 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: a big part of the reason why they stay in 785 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: these unhappy marriages is because they say it's too hard 786 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: to walk away. So for me, I think it's so 787 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: much more romantic to be in a relationship where somebody 788 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: chooses me every single day knowing that they can walk 789 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: away with no strings attached, and I am what they 790 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: want to be part of. I want my partner to 791 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: just have freedom to do what they want to do 792 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: and to leave a situation if they're not happy with it, 793 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: and you know, vice versa. Same for me. I don't 794 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: know that I believe in forever. I think I do, 795 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: but until I really figure it out, I just don't 796 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: see the need to make my life more complicated. And 797 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: I just I believe in romance, and I think it's 798 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: more romantic to have that, to know that person is 799 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: just there and they don't have to be. Nothing is 800 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: forcing them to stay there. They're there because they want 801 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: to be, so Angita, that is my reason. And if 802 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: you want to know, when I realize that I've never 803 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: wanted to get married my entire life. I know lots 804 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: of people fantasize about what their wedding's going to be 805 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: like in their wedding dress and those shots and those 806 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: thoughts just never entered my head. So I feel like 807 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: I've just really never been a marriage type person. But 808 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: I do love love and I do love relationships, and 809 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm happy to go to any weddings, so I'm not 810 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: crapping on other people that's just what I want for me. 811 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: Good enough answer for you, Andrew. 812 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 2: I thought that was a great answer. Right. Make sure 813 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: you follow her at Baby Hot Sauce and when she 814 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: posts the ask me any things, we'll go through them 815 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: on air every week for every episode. So if your 816 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 2: question wasn't asked this time like Angietas was, then next 817 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: week your question could be asked. 818 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: It could be thanks for tuning in, We'll see you 819 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: next time. It's us on the side. 820 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: So this is as producer. Yeah, so we're gonna say, 821 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: make sure you like this podcast wherever you're listening. I 822 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: hate that follow, subscribe. 823 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: Don't they know to do that if they're listening to. 824 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: A podcast, I have to tell them that. And if 825 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: you like it so so much, you could even leave 826 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: a review. Five stars is preferred. Tell us what you think. 827 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: Wait, now you're opening it up to people giving me 828 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: one star. 829 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 2: No, no, no, they're only going to give you five. 830 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Andrew, we'll see how this one goes. 831 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, So, yeah, make sure you like, follow 832 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: and subscribe and follow Gandhi at Baby Sauce and until 833 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: next week on an all News Sauce on the side. 834 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: I love you we'll talk to you later. 835 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.