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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. It's Thursday. We're a couple of

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Speaker 1: days away here, a few days away from the conference championships.

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Speaker 1: Then we get a little bit of a lull. All

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Speaker 1: those Bowl, The Bowl, the Pro Bowl. They turned into

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Speaker 1: American Gladiators, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't watched the Pro Bowl since I.

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Speaker 1: Was Actually would be a lot more fun to watch

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Speaker 1: if it was like American Gladiator.

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Speaker 2: There's a good Netflix special on American Gladiators was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I was working at Channel six and Johnston was in college. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when American Gladiators started. And one of my jobs as

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Speaker 1: a technician there was the the companies would send the

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Speaker 1: big role of film to you, old school, old school film,

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Speaker 1: and you had to go through and I would. I

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Speaker 1: would have this machine. I'd put the hud load the

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Speaker 1: film onto the machine and I would go through the

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Speaker 1: clips to find figure out what the commercial breaks came

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Speaker 1: in at. Because they didn't tell you that. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why they why they couldn't have just one person

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Speaker 1: it on the film. Yeah right now, and then everybody

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Speaker 1: would happen. But that was one of my jobs. So

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Speaker 1: there were, you know, however, many TV stations out there,

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Speaker 1: there were you know, one of me doing that for

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Speaker 1: every TV station, just having building. So one of the

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Speaker 1: first shows that I had to it hadn't even come

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Speaker 1: out yet. I'm doing it with American Gladiators and I'm

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Speaker 1: like watching this show and I'm like, I wasn't supposed

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Speaker 1: to watch the shows. I'm supposed to just it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like watching this, I'm like, this is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: This enjoying this, you know. So I watched the entire

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Speaker 1: first season, like, you know, in a week.

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Speaker 2: I'm just as I.

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Speaker 1: Could work into the commercial breaks and you know, just

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Speaker 1: but I'm working. But I was, you know, the stuff

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Speaker 1: that interested me and I found interesting. But that would

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Speaker 1: be more fun if they if they brought in like

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Speaker 1: Jeorsh Schmoe and to you know, run the Gauntlet against

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Speaker 1: t J. Watton and I or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, I urge you to check the Netflix series out

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Speaker 2: on it. It's like, you know, six or eight episodes

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Speaker 2: something like that. How it came about, it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: But no, put like I don't know, Derek Henry, you win,

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Speaker 2: fan of the year.

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Speaker 1: So you get to go to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Right, you get like the pillow polo things and bash

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Speaker 2: each other over the head against Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: Entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad call.

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Speaker 1: More entertaining than the Pro Bowl itself.

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Speaker 2: You know what they do nowadays, there's some kind of

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Speaker 2: flag football event and that's.

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Speaker 1: They get a bunch of stuff throwing football tug awards.

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Speaker 1: It's like Battle the Network Stars, you know, which I.

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Speaker 2: Liked as a kid. But I'm done with that. But

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Speaker 2: I am in the Senior Bowl, and I know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be down there.

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Speaker 1: I'll be down there for the Senior Bowl and and

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Speaker 1: uh we'll be doing shows from I'll be doing shows,

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Speaker 1: will be from from there. Of course you'll be.

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Speaker 2: Involved as well. We'll be remote, but that's what we do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The NFL announcing it's finalists for the the game or

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Speaker 1: for the major awards, No did that? DJ Watta finalists

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Speaker 1: for the Defensive Player of the Year. Joey Porter junior finalists.

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Speaker 2: Four names go five, okay, five each other? Yeah good,

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Speaker 2: so I knew what would be one of the five.

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Speaker 2: I'm certain about Porter, but glad he made it. I

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Speaker 2: thought he's strong.

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Speaker 1: Case surprisingly so earlier this week what won the Committee

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Speaker 1: of one oh one AFC Defensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 1: The Committee of one o.

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Speaker 2: One, which is I didn't know what that was.

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Speaker 1: It's based in Kansas City. It's it's they started it back,

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Speaker 1: what won that? Michael Parsons was the winner in the nfseason.

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Speaker 1: And then the Pro Football Writers announced their defensive Player

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Good that okay? And I missed all this, Okay, I

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Speaker 2: I wasn't real sure what it was. Is that his

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Speaker 2: third time winning it.

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Speaker 1: That's his third time won that one? Ye?

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Speaker 2: Wow? And they break those days NFC. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: What? Yeah, if people were paying attention, it was what

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Speaker 1: right Over the final seven weeks and eight if you

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Speaker 1: count the playoffs, Miles Garrett had twenty four tackles in

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Speaker 2: Well much half a season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big strep.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was watching one of the games late

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Speaker 1: She's talking to Miles Garrett. You know, the people are

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Speaker 1: talking about your so called sack drought. It's not so called.

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Speaker 1: When you have one sack over an eight over a

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Speaker 2: That's a drought. If you don't get a hit in

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Speaker 2: twenty at bats, that's a drought. Numbers, right right, These

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Speaker 2: aren't made up things, you know, like, boy, you're you've

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Speaker 2: missed you know, a couple throws here and there. No,

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Speaker 2: you're on a drought.

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Speaker 1: You're in a drought. You didn't get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just anybody else has great candasies either though,

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Speaker 2: you know, Parsons or Bosa or in the linebackers. I

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Speaker 2: know you mentioned Cross. I think that's as good as any.

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Speaker 2: But man, I think TJ's numbers are clearly.

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Speaker 1: In the consistency at which he did it over the

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Speaker 1: course of the season. It wasn't like it was, oh

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Speaker 1: he started off really hot, which he did, but he

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Speaker 2: M hm. So I forget his name, and it's kind

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Speaker 2: of topic. But the Toledo Corner that is coming out

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Speaker 2: this year, I think Mitchell's the last name. I'm bad

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Speaker 2: with names, you know. But he had four picks in

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Speaker 2: one game, and I was watching some highlights. It was

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Speaker 2: like me or you throwing him the ball. But like

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Speaker 2: that's you know, that's not the case with what you know,

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Speaker 2: Like you should feast on the bad tackles of course,

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Speaker 2: but then of course we get doubled and tripled and

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Speaker 2: all those type of things.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of my argument with Khalil Mack when

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Speaker 1: people were talking about Khalil Khalil Max in great year.

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Speaker 1: We had eight sacks or whatever it was in six

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Speaker 2: They tortured somebody, right, right, No, I'd rather have him spread.

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Speaker 1: Out, right. You want it to be consistent over the

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Speaker 1: course of the season, and heways just speaking of consistency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I'd love to see Porter win him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he will.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he will either.

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Speaker 2: I mean think what is definitely a better chance in Porter.

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Speaker 1: So I was looking at this here and I just

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Speaker 1: up the season here. A lot of times, if the

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Speaker 1: Steelers have a bad penalty game, the first thing you

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Speaker 1: hear about it, well, this is such an undisciplined, disc

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Speaker 1: undisciplined team. Meanwhile, they overall the team over the course

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Speaker 1: of the season, they're one of the least penalized teams

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Speaker 2: So I thought we'd look here at let's okay, don't

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Speaker 2: let the facts get in the way of the store

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Speaker 2: and everything, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I thought we'd go over the number of penalties

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Speaker 1: and who had them this year.

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Speaker 2: There's some sites out there that have all this stuff

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Speaker 2: laid out and pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So Porter led the team in penalties this year at eight. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he had four past interferences, three defensive holding penalties, two

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Speaker 2: Up to eight.

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Speaker 1: Three of those were declined laid out. Yeah, So really

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Speaker 1: it was eleven overall flags that he had that he drew,

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Speaker 1: but eight were accepted, which a lot. Yeah, that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. His position and asks what he's done.

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Speaker 2: It lends, it lends itself to it.

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Speaker 1: Defensive lineman particularly the tackles, and if a tackle followed

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett around, it would be harder. Yeah. Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: one defensive pass interference, one face mask, but he played

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Speaker 1: the most defensive snaps on the.

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Speaker 2: Team this year, I think, pretty much by far. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I forget who was second, but Peterson was clearly one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of the other guys around him the.

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Speaker 2: Right the guys will play every snap. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Watt had four, two roughing the passers, uh five total,

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Speaker 2: Which is fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the unsportsman like conduct I remember was for

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Speaker 2: Off of the game at all. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Then he had Connor Hayward with four got a

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Speaker 1: Three were for offensive holding, one illegal formation, one false start.

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Speaker 2: The illegal formation isn't necessarily his faulty, right, I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: He lined up at right tackle.

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Speaker 1: George Pickens had four uh, one for unnecessary roughness, one

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Speaker 1: illegal shift. I should count he had five. One of

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Speaker 1: these was offsetting an unnecessary roughness, an illegal shift, an

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Speaker 1: unsportsmanlike illegal blind side block, which I thought was kind

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Speaker 1: of I remember that was not a great call, right,

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Speaker 1: it won for taunting.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Also, in terms of the Steelers skill position players,

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Speaker 2: he played by far the most. Yes, I mean it

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Speaker 2: wasn't even close.

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Speaker 1: Then you had chokes he had five overall. He had

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Speaker 1: four pre step five overall. Yeah, so he had four

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Speaker 1: holding one, two false starts in two illegal formations. That's

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Speaker 1: actually I don't know where they get in this number.

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Speaker 1: That's that's eight, okay, three plus five that were declined.

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Speaker 1: I should I gotta read these, right.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned the pre snap stuff. I forget where

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Speaker 2: they landed. You'd probably remember better than men. But they

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Speaker 2: of few pre snap penalty.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a problem.

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson had five overall five and four overall taunting,

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Speaker 2: Okay, but then we're not you know, uh, these aren't

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Speaker 2: egregious stuff though.

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Speaker 1: Now Miles killer Brew had three, Dan Moore everybody's everybody

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Speaker 2: Gett a replaced.

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Speaker 1: He had four penalties all.

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Speaker 2: Year, definitely had ten holding call.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was it was a special team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy guy like pushed him into face and

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Speaker 2: Okay, which really didn't effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he was a surprisingly good number he.

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Speaker 1: Jawan Taylor was nineteen nineteen nineteen penalty.

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Speaker 2: He's the right tackle's right yeah, and he's a highly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I'm looking at this. H Mason

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Speaker 1: saying malou at. I don't know if he was.

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Speaker 2: Like nowhere to be found. He had two two penalties.

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Speaker 2: He had the goofy off sides on the field goal.

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Speaker 2: Right that he aligned wrong.

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Speaker 2: I would run that back. If you told me that

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Speaker 1: One of the guys that we're talking about, and he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a bunch. I mean he's he does

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Speaker 1: He follows on and follow ones and your you know

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna be perfect, you're gonna beat right, So

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Speaker 2: I mean that that absolutely could happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if they draft a corner in the first round,

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Speaker 1: I just think overall that, you know, those numbers.

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Speaker 2: They're not as bad as people think.

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Speaker 1: Often, Like I can remember when Killer Brew he had

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Speaker 1: like what's wrong with you people?

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Speaker 2: What he's wrong with you? People? Right? Or boy? Danny

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Speaker 2: Smith needs to get rid of him, or he doesn't

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Speaker 2: know what he's doing. Like, come on, man, he's all

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Speaker 2: special team. He's been phenomenal added his whole career. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: he said two mistakes. Get over it.

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Speaker 1: It happens. Let me you know, when I was surprised

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Speaker 1: myself at the few number of penalties that Dan moorehead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's maybe the most alarming, or even the

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Speaker 2: old line as a whole, considering all those guys played

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see, like it was, it was a lot. So

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Speaker 1: at where he ranks because they often quote Pro Football Focus,

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Speaker 2: They don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to take a look here.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good run blocker. I mean, one

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to look here and see where he rates.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's Filetle at a forty eight point seven.

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Speaker 2: Ouch. Yeah, just amongst all tackles.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to trying to find that here, because again,

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Speaker 1: I you have to, I should. What I should do

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Speaker 1: is do this by limites, by snap counts, because all

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Speaker 1: we go, I want fifty let's go fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: A little bit, Okay, I know how to filter those.

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Speaker 1: But the guys below him, he's seventh from the bottom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, out of how many qualifiers.

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Speaker 1: They played fifty percent? I don't even know. Here looks

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Speaker 1: All the penalties that he had, he still he gave

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Speaker 2: I assume they factor in penalties. They don't, it's insane

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Speaker 2: they should.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Terrence Steele with Dallas Anton Harrison rookie rookie

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he edged out Jones on one of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was really good, was he? Their line was bad.

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Speaker 1: Mackay Beckton and then Dan Moore just ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: Overall it was Donovan Smith, Broderick Jones. They had rated

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Speaker 2: Huh. I don't think that quite adds up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Well, this goes back to, to some degree what we

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Speaker 1: one guy essentially grading the Steelers. He may not grade

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bears guy or whatever. Right, you know, they

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Speaker 2: should you move those around, you know, like you should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking here at you know.

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Speaker 2: Or does some rank all the tackles or does someone

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Speaker 1: Even by their metrics, Dan Moore gave up eight sacks

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Speaker 2: And I say that's not that bad. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: When you also then factor in who he faced.

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Speaker 2: Oh exactly, I just start the season, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hendrickson twice, Garrett twice, Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean the Rao sacks in the league Henderson,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Even the guy Greenard in Houston he had and

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So now he faced a good group, really good group.

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Speaker 1: You know. I look at that and I'm like, how

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do think he's a better run locker

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Speaker 1: And now I'm looking here at Makai Beckton. McKai Beckton

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Speaker 2: That's four more sacks, four.

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Speaker 1: More sacks on the same number halfs and a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hundred less, hundred less. Okay, I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Here's another one, ekwan everybody loves Kiwanu. Eleven sacks, nine

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Speaker 2: Ikey from the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: So he had a terrible year, Yeah, but his pass

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Speaker 2: How many sacks are you?

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Speaker 1: Eleven eleven?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Some sacks allowed, isn't It's not necessarily a quarterback. It's

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Speaker 2: A quarterback stat and it's also, hey, the stunt. Somebody

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Speaker 2: no sense at all if you played noticeably less snaps

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Speaker 2: and have what four more sacks allowed?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here's here's Orlando Brown Junior. He gave up

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What more? Did he gave up forty five quarterback hurries?

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Speaker 1: More gave up forty Really, he gave up fifty nine

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Speaker 2: Like noticeably higher noice tears, just pass blocking, just curious

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Speaker 2: why you have it there? Who are the very best?

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Speaker 2: And did anybody allow like zero sacks or one sack?

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Speaker 1: The guys who played okay, well there you go. The

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Speaker 1: I believe is what if you have fifty thirteen hundred

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Speaker 1: asak was Trent Williams. William You know how many he

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Speaker 2: I remember he had to get penalty as a fair amount.

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Speaker 1: Pinnay Sewell gave up one.

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Speaker 2: That adds up. I mean they're the best out there.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Molten gave up one, and Alaric Jackson surprisingly gave

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Speaker 2: Who's Alaric Jackson played for?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Looks like the Rams, I believe.

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Speaker 2: some of that Stafford too though. Yeah in McVeigh interesting, but.

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Speaker 1: Some of that stuff just doesn't add up.

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Speaker 2: No. Again, I like Pro Football Focus and I quote

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Speaker 2: them and I learned stuff from them. I go to

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Speaker 2: their site just about every day. But there is some

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Speaker 2: stuff when you start citing the grades that I don't

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Speaker 2: understand or just doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I had to explain those a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this is what we do, or I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe don't want to see how the sausages?

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't it be graded? Kind of on it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are just tackles. Isn't harder to play left tackle

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Speaker 1: than right tackle? Generally speaking, generally speaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, less than it used to be, especially, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: You typically have a tight end on the strong side.

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Speaker 2: And usually you're facing a better pass rusher. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: your quarterback can't see it comment right unless it happens,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, I just thought that was interesting. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Driver. You're on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt

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Speaker 1: h looking here. Ken Patra on NFL dot Com put

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Speaker 1: out a list of unsung heroes the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: season one one overlooked surprise contributor from each AFC team,

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Speaker 1: and then he also did the NFC I that we

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Speaker 1: go through that. Uh. For the Steelers, it is one

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Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can see the general public just not realizing

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Speaker 2: how big a contributory you think they did. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean partially because he didn't start off as a

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Speaker 2: day one starter. But he also didn't have a ton

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Speaker 2: of splash plays, you know, huge takeaways or pick sixes, big.

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Speaker 1: Against a big win against the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: That's true. No, that's a good one. I mean I

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Speaker 2: think we had this conversation a while back, you know,

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Speaker 2: like TJ. Watt was a team MVP, but who's second,

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Speaker 2: Like Porters in the mix? Yeah, he's absolutely in the mix.

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Speaker 1: And just as a reminder to everybody, that was basically

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Speaker 1: a straight up trade chase playpool for Joey Porter JUNI

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Speaker 1: ended up. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Highway robbery. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Here's what he says that the Steelers brought Joey

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Speaker 1: Porter Junior along slowly, with the rookie not making his

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Speaker 1: first start until we Gate. He didn't make his first

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Speaker 1: start until.

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Speaker 2: We eight on the field for snap number one.

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Speaker 1: But he was playing like fifty snaps a game in

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Speaker 1: like the three games before.

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Speaker 2: That, I say the first month or so was like

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Speaker 2: ten snaps, fifteen snaps, eighteen.

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Speaker 1: After the first month, after September, it really started. They

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Speaker 1: ramp up more and more and then he.

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Speaker 2: Started following ones. Yeah, like when was Tennessee? I think

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Speaker 2: that was the first one, but he started following Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well here's that. So in nine of his eleven starts,

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Speaker 1: he ended up starting eleven games. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: where this week eight stuff came from. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know where that's that's nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Games, nineteen games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so his his math doesn't quite add up a

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Speaker 1: little bit there. Uh, here's who we play, Here's here's

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Speaker 1: who he faced. Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins, Romeo Dobbs, Marii Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Markquis Brown, T Higgins, DK Metcalf and Rashad Bateman, and.

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Speaker 2: Packers really didn't have a one for him to follow

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Speaker 2: at the time. Yeah, same with Bateman. You know, at

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Speaker 2: the end, iimanated it wasn't a case where there was

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Speaker 2: a clear one for him to shadow, or he would have.

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Speaker 1: Of that group, only Metcalf, Journey, jenneral He had forty

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Speaker 1: plus total receiving yards when covered by Porter.

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Speaker 2: Wow, he had a good game against Porter. Yeah in

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Speaker 2: the end, but.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that came on one on one catchdown

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Speaker 1: the field as a broken play, exactly as injury. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: forty is the most a physical corner. Porter Forest a

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Speaker 1: tight window throw and over half of his man coverage

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Speaker 1: targets this season eighteen, which was tied for the most

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. He also allowed stream.

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Speaker 1: A minus sixteen point zero target EPA this season, well,

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Speaker 1: the fourth fewest by a rookie cornerback in the next

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Speaker 1: gen era.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, I mean that's Sauce and some of these

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Speaker 2: guys have been phenomenal right off the bat. Wow, it's

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Speaker 2: a remarkable season. It really is. I mean it's especially considered.

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Speaker 2: What was asked of him, you know, I mean, with

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Speaker 2: all respect to Sauce is awesome. He's a left right guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, he didn't follow I mean, he was awesome

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Speaker 2: as a rookie, but he didn't follow it. He's a

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Speaker 2: great player, but to follow number one, you know, Diggs

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Speaker 2: and Adams and all those dudes, nuke. I mean, these

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Speaker 2: are I can't.

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Speaker 1: Think of any other rookie in some memory, I know,

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Speaker 1: not in Steelers memory, that it's been asked to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, it's not a rookie thing. Rookies are

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Speaker 2: usually who you want in your IDP fantasy league. People

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Speaker 2: throws out of him million times and they get a

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Speaker 2: bunch of tackles.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing about this was he's following

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Speaker 1: number one receivers and typically you target the rookie, and

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Speaker 1: opponents didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: And throw to the number one receivers, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: So I think he got targeted to fair amount early,

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Speaker 2: but then you early in games sometimes and then I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you watch the tape after who's been out there

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Speaker 2: for three or four weeks and like good, he's really good, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean his length, it's crazy, it's insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Know there'd be the cornerback market. I bet it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be somebody that looks.

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Speaker 1: Like him, and they you know, they have two guys

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Speaker 1: that look like that. And you know so Trice and

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Speaker 1: Rush are both similar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they're not five eleven's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Trice is actually bigger, right if.

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Speaker 2: They walk through the door, you think Trice is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know he is a bigger person.

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Speaker 1: Rush isn't much.

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen him in person like Joey, you know,

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Speaker 2: like in street clothes. Yeah, Rush, Yeah, I know, he's

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Speaker 2: long arms.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you got two of those guys, now,

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Speaker 1: if you can add I get it.

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Speaker 2: That's try and pick a second round pick something like that.

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Speaker 1: Right when I'm you know, if I'm looking at cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: in the off season here for the Steelers in the draft,

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Speaker 1: ideally I want the cornerback that I draft, even if

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Speaker 1: it's in the first round. I want him to be

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Speaker 1: somebody who has either played in the slot at some

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Speaker 1: point in his career. Yeah, but it's also played outside

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Speaker 1: just in case. But I want that. I want that

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Speaker 1: kind of combination. I want a guy who's who because

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Speaker 1: if if one of those other guys hits, they haven't

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Speaker 1: played a lot in the slot. Yeah, yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: want to have that covered. Okay, well, this guy's better,

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Speaker 1: we got to get him on the field somewhere. Well,

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Speaker 1: we can put him out there in the slot, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a problem.

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Speaker 2: Like everyone knows the Browns have a talented defense, but

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Speaker 2: they really don't have a slot corner. War they knew

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Speaker 2: some has been asked to play the slot a lot,

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Speaker 2: and he's like the six one one ninety edge guy.

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Speaker 2: But they have three of them, and it's a good

585
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Speaker 2: problem to have three really good corners, but they're not,

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Speaker 2: you know, as versatile. Yeah, and I've done more corner

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Speaker 2: homework since we had a corner conversation. The Jean's clearly

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Speaker 2: number one for me still, Yeah, I mean, like, and

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Speaker 2: he can do that. He's played this loot and kool

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Speaker 2: A doesn't as much, but the other bad.

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Speaker 1: The other guy does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's nasty near the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 2: blitz and things like that. But they're not little Mike

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Speaker 2: Hilton types either.

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Speaker 1: No, And that's that's what I would be interested in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I could get another corner guy, and then

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Speaker 1: if I have an injury one to one of the

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Speaker 1: outside guys, I could always bump that guy outside and

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Speaker 1: you can play out there, not to mention, like, or

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Speaker 1: he can be the out starting outside corner, go to

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Speaker 1: our nickel or dime he bumps inside. It's what the

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Speaker 1: Ravens do with Marlon Humphrey, at least they used to.

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Speaker 2: He plays a lot slot. That's why he's been a

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Speaker 2: big loss with them actually. But you know, speaking of Ravens,

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Speaker 2: maybe Ravens Week the Jean Andrews, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Or Kelsey's got that kind of size, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I mean one of these smaller move tight ends. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you follow him with a big slot type corner. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, look at some of these other guys. So

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens, it was Gino Stone good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, if you put up numbers you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a free agent. By the way, he wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: a terrible He won't be.

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Speaker 1: A Raven again right now. Uh. The Bills, it was

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Speaker 1: at Oliver. That's kind of cheating. Yeah, he starts. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's the first round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he had ten sacks or something. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't real seeky good year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Bengals it was Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 2: I think they're happy with him. Yeah, speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: a Woozy is a free agent. I'm starting to thinking

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Speaker 2: of free agents more and more. I wonder with like

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Speaker 2: Taylor Britt, and there are other guys if he'll even

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Speaker 2: be back who's been good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: For Cleveland, this is kind of cheating to it. Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: Woso Cormola.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a great player. I mean he didn't

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Speaker 2: pick Meles Garrett gladly. But I mean, I guess it

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Speaker 2: depends on your audience. This is NFL dot coll right,

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Speaker 2: I get it. I mean if my mom or dad

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Speaker 2: went there, they would know j Okay is But you

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Speaker 2: know we do.

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Speaker 1: For Denver Quinn Minors, I like him too.

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Speaker 2: He's played really well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean love him in center, but he loved

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Speaker 1: him in the draft. Yeah, he's playing guard, but he's

640
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Speaker 1: really good.

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Speaker 2: He's been really good. Yeah, as advertised.

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Speaker 1: For Houston, the aforementioned Jonathan Greener, great.

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Speaker 2: One, he had a great season, great season. He's also

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Speaker 2: hitting free agency. He's gonna be expensive, but they have had.

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Speaker 1: The money to Yeah, they got to keep him.

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Speaker 2: So I heard this little rumor that they're interested in

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley in free agency. Imagine adding someone like that

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Speaker 2: to that team. Like, I'm like, that's loved the match?

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Speaker 1: Uh at thirteen or I'm sorry, what am I saying? Thirteen?

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Speaker 1: For Indianapolis Kenny Moore, that's kind of cheating too. Wore

651
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Speaker 1: has been a good player.

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Speaker 2: For him, has been a long time. He's also hitting

653
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Speaker 2: free agency, thirty years old. Would you consider him?

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Speaker 1: But he's one of the best. He's one of the best.

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Speaker 2: He's a tough dude. I mean, it'd be helpful to

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Speaker 2: any team. The secondary could.

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Speaker 1: Use him, but Indianapolis can also keep him. Thinking they

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Speaker 1: got all big money.

659
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna keep hitting, probably, but they don't have

660
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: a lot else they have to do this.

661
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: This one's also cheating as well. For Jacksonville Foyer Aloocon.

662
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big numbers guy. Yeah, okay, but you

663
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: you can definitely dig.

664
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: A little deep. Paid him huge in free agencies and

665
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: like he was, oh hey, look at that guy right

666
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: right for the Chiefs, Drew Drew Trankwell, that's a good one.

667
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: That's a real good one. I mean because they have

668
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Willie Gate Junior, they have Bolton and Tranquills in the

669
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: mix as much as those guys.

670
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, did they sign him to a long term enough

671
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: after the deal? I was gonna say, I think almost

672
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: sign I know he signed last year and I doubt

673
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: that they signed.

674
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: It was a one year deal because he was one

675
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: of those many linebackers that were kind of hovering out there.

676
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Because he's got Kwan alexanderish yeah traits he does.

677
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: He would be a real good fit.

678
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: That would be one that ye like, that would be

679
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: one I'd be because that's why they use him in

680
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and he was.

681
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: Very if you remember, they drafted Leoshan Now out of

682
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Wisconsin a year ago too, so there they got a

683
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: lot of linebackers and they gotta sign Snead and Chris Jones, right,

684
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: and you know, like he could hit the market. He's

685
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: twenty eight, So, yeah, a two year deal, but.

686
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: He had seventy eight tackles four and a half sacks

687
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: to forced fumbles. I mean that's should be a real

688
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: good fit.

689
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Trackle for the Raiders. Malcolm Konz, Yeah,

690
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: he's been good and edge guy for people don't know. Yeah,

691
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: he's opposite Crosby.

692
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's everything at Tyree Wilson wasn't this year.

693
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, exactly, Like they didn't want Kons to play

694
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: as many snaps as he did. Yeah.

695
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh. For the Chargers, Aloe Gilman.

696
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Also an interesting free agent to be from a team

697
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: that has no money. I don't think he's great safety

698
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: for people don't know. I mean he's not a well

699
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: known name, but he's a quality player.

700
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

701
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean he'd be nice next to Meca, you know. Yeah,

702
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: he's fine.

703
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: He played with Derwin James. He knows how to play

704
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: with the star.

705
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

706
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: It's a little different playing next to a star like

707
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: that is than it is to play.

708
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Clark Paul Malu dynamics.

709
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's always difficult to do. For the Dolphins, Andrew van.

710
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: Ginkel, Yeah they missed him. He was one of those

711
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: late injuries. Yeah, I mean he's kind of there Nikovich

712
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: edge guy, but can also play some linebacker. Quality player.

713
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: They could have used him big time at the end.

714
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patriots is kind of cheating here as well. It's

715
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore. He's like a star in the making. Yeah,

716
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's he was wreaking havoc. Yeah, the Jets

717
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: is cheating. It's former first round draft pick Jermaine Johnson. Yeah,

718
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, come up with somebody, Yeah, come on.

719
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Part of the rotation. And still he's quality player too.

720
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: I could have gone with the other pass rusher. Who

721
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: am I thinking of the They had a couple of deaths.

722
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: Oh the one that's really light yeah.

723
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't think of his name.

724
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's like a two hundred and thirty

725
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: pounds fastball only interesting player though.

726
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah for the Titans, Ty Spears.

727
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah I can see that. So once a week I

728
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: do locked on Dynasty and one of the questions we

729
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: had this week was who's this year's Kyen Williams and

730
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: Spiers was one of my picks. It was like Chase

731
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: Brown Spears was a name I came up with, and

732
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: Zamir White from the Raiders. You know, finally.

733
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Everybody else is gone.

734
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Everybody else is gone mid round pick. I mean it's

735
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: not Beijon. I mean guys that are kind of not

736
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: well known, but Spears could really be. I'd like to

737
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: have Spears.

738
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: Over on the NFC side of things. For the Cardinals,

739
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: this is kind of cheating as well. James Connor, guy's

740
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: been to a Pro Bowl.

741
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think he's underrated.

742
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: I think so as well, But come on again, if

743
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: we have a Pro Bowl, he's not unsung.

744
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if we asked, you know, someone that sort

745
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: of pays attention but doesn't to name ten Cardinals, he'd

746
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 2: be one. He'd be one, and maybe that couldn't even

747
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: get to ten.

748
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. For Atlanta, Kalais.

749
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: Campbell, Yeah, I mean he's like one of the biggest

750
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: name guys in seven years old was water former Walter

751
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: Payton Man of the Year.

752
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: Uh. Be a good year for the Panthers Adam Feeling.

753
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean this is not digging real deep.

754
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: They probayed on him many candidates, but yeah, I mean

755
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: he had a really good year. Leads the team receiving

756
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean I thought we'd have like backup tight ends.

757
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Bears, TJ. Edwards. Mmmm.

758
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: That's actually a good one because they spent money on

759
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: him and Edmunds and he was kind of the robin,

760
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: you know. But he had a really good year for them,

761
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: and their defense got a lot better throughout the season.

762
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: For the Cowboys, Jake Ferguson.

763
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so I think that showed it too. He

764
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: had the most end zone targets of any tight end.

765
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: Dak loves those not super athletic tight end Schultz types

766
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 2: and feeds them ball. And he's a good player. Yeah. Uh.

767
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: For the Lions, this is a good one. A Lee McNeil, Yeah,

768
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: real good one.

769
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: He's turned into a I don't say star, but he's

770
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: turned into a foundational player for them.

771
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: When their defense was struggling against the against the run, yeah,

772
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: in that little stretch here, and it was when he

773
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: was out.

774
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: It was when he was out.

775
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Now he's back and the defense was pretty pretty stout.

776
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: Again, they're a top five run defense. Yeah, and he's

777
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: a big reason why. He's a great example of like

778
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: why you draft a project in round two. You know,

779
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: he was all traits and heart, but this didn't have

780
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: technique and they got the technique.

781
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

782
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Uh. For the Packers Zach Tom Yeah, that's a good

783
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: one too. I mean they have a long history of

784
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: finding mid round offensive linemen and developing them. They're almost

785
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: like the Steelers with wide receivers.

786
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

787
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: For the Rams, Kobe Turner, yeah, I mean he was

788
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: in the he's in the mix for rookie of the.

789
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Area defensive rookie. They probably should.

790
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty strong case. Yeah, I didn't see

791
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: that coming.

792
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: For the Vikings, Josh Mattelis.

793
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of there, big safety, dime linebacker, always

794
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: on the field. Yeah, Slot Blitzer plays the run. They

795
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: got a lot out of him. Yeah, he's a perfect

796
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: they should have. They should have thirty two of those guys,

797
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: like Yeah, he's a perfect example of that for these guys.

798
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: The Saints, Carl Granderson.

799
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't realize he had a great year or not,

800
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: but it eight' and half sack. Okay, so they need

801
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: some younger guys to step up on the defense front.

802
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: For the Giants, Bobby o'karkee, Yeah.

803
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: It was a good signing too. Yeah. I mean he's

804
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: not phenomenal, but he was part of that linebacker class

805
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: we talked about last year, you know, at free agency.

806
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: There was ten or twelve of them and he was successful.

807
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: This is really cheating here for the Eagles place kicker

808
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Jake Elliott. Come on, man, you couldn't find somebody on Eagles.

809
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: That trying to think who's a better candidate. But I

810
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: mean year didn't go so well. I mean it wasn't

811
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: That is cheating though.

812
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's a kicker, and he's been a good kick.

813
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: He's a really good kicker, and he's the top three

814
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: kicker in the league basically. And it's not like he

815
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: came out. If you picked the Cowboys kicker, i'd kind

816
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: of get it. Yeah, he came out of nowhere. You know,

817
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 2: this guy's been the Pro Bowls, I assume. Yeah.

818
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's led the league in points. In fact,

819
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: I think he led the league in points two years ago.

820
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Because I was surprised that I got him in our

821
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: fantasy draft. I drafted him, Like, why is he still there?

822
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: He should be like right with that.

823
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: I had like one of the last picks, and like

824
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: everybody else had picked their their pick kickers. I'm like,

825
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think I drafted a kicker. I think I

826
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: picked him up after the draft. Really, he was still there.

827
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, he shouldn't be there.

828
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: He's one of the best ones. Yeah.

829
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: Uh, San Francisco again cheating Eric Armstead, Yeah no, former

830
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: first round draft picks.

831
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's enough to pick from him.

832
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: Sure.

833
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Off that team, I mean when their O lineman not

834
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: named Trent William, you know, wouldn't been a good They're

835
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: like one of the best offense in the league. They

836
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: had something to do with it, right, Yeah, I hear it.

837
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: Uh. For the Seahawks, boy A Mafe, Yeah.

838
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: Nice step in year two. You know, I think we

839
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: both liked him coming out of school. Yeah, you've been

840
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: a good fit for Steeler edge, little undersize for four

841
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: to three, but he was probably their best pass rusher

842
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: and all a sudden done cheating here.

843
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: For Tampa Bay, Vita.

844
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Veya, he's their best player. It's like kicking whorf served Evans.

845
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: The Steelers unsung hero t J. Watt.

846
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Cam Hayward, I mean, like I mean, is

847
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: the top ten defensive tackle and like always has been.

848
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: That's a son.

849
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: No, not at all for the Commanders, Sam caused me.

850
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's coming along. Okay, Yeah, they probably were

851
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: a tough team to pick for him.

852
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: Sure, they were. Yeah, he's three years in. I didn't

853
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: love him coming out.

854
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: I didn't either.

855
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: They moved him the guard and it seems to be working.

856
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: Well for him. As I say, I think the move

857
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: the guard has helped. But he's built more like a tackle.

858
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: I think he's a tight end turn tackle now turned guard.

859
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: But he's found a home at least. Yeah.

860
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is the list that Ken Kevin Patrack

861
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: came up with from NFL dot Com.

862
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: Would have dug a little deeper.

863
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah he could have.

864
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I mean even Porter.

865
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Was kind of like Land and Roberts would have been

866
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: a good choice for the Steelers.

867
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: But like that level of guys should if you had

868
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: thirty two of them that have been really digging and

869
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: doing your job thoroughly.

870
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric Rowe, Yeah, there you go.

871
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

872
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean we can we can come up with. I mean,

873
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: this is the team that you know, we spend the

874
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: most time recovering. But I could come up with a bunch.

875
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: Of even Jaylen Warren or something like that. I mean,

876
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: he's considered a backup. I mean people know him because

877
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: he's in their fantasy leagues. But yeah, I mean I

878
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: think Roberts is the perfect guy. Yeah, I mean, if

879
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: you really want to get crazy, Armani Watts or somebody

880
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: that's bottom of the roster types. I mean, nobody read

881
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: the article if it was stuff. But like I am

882
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: not clicking on NFC.

883
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Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna get to another break. He is the

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895
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Speaker 1: and do that all over again. Go hit the outlets,

896
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
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Speaker 1: dot Steelers dot com. This is one of the you know,

898
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: we have these conversations in between breaks, right, and I

899
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: just forget what I was gonna do that. Oh no,

900
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to get that read up.

901
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: Pull back the curtain a little bit.

902
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: And sometimes the conversations that we have off camera are

903
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: off mic or even better than the ones we do.

904
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes they are more colorful.

905
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: They're always more colorful, no doubt about that.

906
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: Just imagine that, folks, all the stuff you're missing.

907
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So we got a couple of coaching hires.

908
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the the dominoes are starting to fall here,

909
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: starting to fall.

910
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: We're done. Have three openings now.

911
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: It's Washington, Atlanta, Seattle.

912
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

913
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: And if you saw this, but Schefter said, Belichick is

914
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: not number one on the Falcons list. I don't know that.

915
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: I believe that, though.

916
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: They've been. They've got done a multiple interviews.

917
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: With a lot of different wals including Yeah, yeah, yeah,

918
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: I think slowik is. Wow, there's late breaking news. There

919
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: you go, what you got The Falcons are hiring Raheem Morris.

920
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: There you go, okay, wow, So.

921
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: How about that? Good for him? I mean I think

922
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: he's he's a.

923
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: Good defensive coach. I thought he did a good job

924
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: in Tampa and kind of got I know him and

925
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: coach Tomlin are tight. They're very tight.

926
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: He's been lobbying for him for years. He did a

927
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: great job. I mean, think about the defense he had

928
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: with the Rams. We didn't know any of their names. Yeah,

929
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: for Aaron Donald, I mean it was pretty darn good.

930
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: There was.

931
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people would talk about that

932
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: with with some he certainly deserves minority hirings that they don't.

933
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: They don't get the second chance.

934
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: The second chance, right right right.

935
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Speaker 1: And if if you look at Raheem Morris's.

936
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Speaker 2: Yeah, coaching well enough. I mean he's went with the

937
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: Rams have been really successful and it's super well respected.

938
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Speaker 1: Tampa went from three to thirteen to ten and six,

939
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Speaker 1: then they went four and twelve and they started out.

940
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Speaker 1: He had one years the interim. The years were those

941
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, ten twenty eleven he was in Tampa.

942
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Tampa was not a more model organization.

943
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: They were definitely not. You know, he got fired after

944
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: the four and twelve season, a year after going ten

945
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: and six, and then he got the interim job in

946
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty in Atlanta.

947
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: Which is where they've got so now he's back.

948
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he went four and seven? Is the interim?

949
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: Interim is a tough gig.

950
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: Before they before they made the hire with Arthur Smith.

951
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay, they're trying to say is there somebody in between

952
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: there or not? Okay? And then he's been the Rams

953
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: ever since. Yeah.

954
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: But the surprising thing about this is he's a defensive guy.

955
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Everybody says, oh, you gott to hire offense, offense, offense,

956
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: you hire the best guy. I don't care what side

957
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: of the ball he works on.

958
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: Do you know what worries me now a little bit?

959
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Is he going to steal the Rams dude for his

960
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator?

961
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Potentially potential for that?

962
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would be very interested if I

963
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: were him.

964
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're Robinson, you go. You

965
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback?

966
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: No, right? I mean who knows? I saying, if you're

967
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: going to hire Raheem Morris again, any defensive guy, who's

968
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: your right, you know that's gonna be it has to

969
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: be almost question number one. But good for him, that's

970
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: a good hire.

971
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, they are falling quick nine hour down to two.

973
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're down to two. The Panthers looks like

974
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: they're going to hire Dave Canalis. He was the Buccaneers

975
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: of coordinator this year, had been in Seattle before that.

976
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: He's kind of credited for he turned around Geno Smith's career.

977
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: Then he turned around Baker's career. Now it's time to

978
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: turn around Bryce Young's career.

979
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: But well, he had to kickstart Bryce Young.

980
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: They never got going and honest, but yeah, I mean

981
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: that's obviously job number one. They're familiar with the division.

982
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a feather in his cap too. Kind

983
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: of like the Gannon hire whenever in Arizona they ripped

984
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: up the East early in the year. Seems like a

985
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: good hire. He's only been a coordinator for one year, though,

986
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a ton of Yeah his quarterbacks.

987
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Coach before that. Yeah, but two minorities hired in the uh.

988
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: The Canalys is of Mexican descent.

989
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: I didn't know, of course, Raheem Morris, right.

990
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: African Americans, so nice good and you know, in a

991
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: city like Atlanta where there is a high population a

992
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: lot of the fan base there, Yeah, you know, I

993
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: think that's a he's a solid coach. No, he's a

994
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: really good yeah, really good, really good football coach.

995
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: So'll handle the media, well, ye'll handle all the team stuff.

996
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: He's not just a defensive coordinator.

997
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: No, I've always been impressed with him. Yeah, so yeah,

998
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: good hiring there in Atlanta. But now you start to

999
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: wonder about the Belichick's of the world.

1000
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: Washington seems like you can't go from Pete Carroll to Belichick.

1001
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 2: I mean, is you runn an old folks home there?

1002
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: You know? It just seems like thin about that, right,

1003
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like a crazy way to do it.

1004
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: We couldn't find anybody older.

1005
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Hallis wasn't available, So maybe Washington's a done deal. I

1006
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe doesn't coach this year, or Rabel doesn't

1007
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: coach this year.

1008
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Boy, if Belichick doesn't coach this year, does he ever

1009
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: coach again?

1010
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: So here's a crazy I hesitate to bring this up

1011
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: because I have no information. If you were the Bills,

1012
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: would you hire Bill Belichick? I can't go there, see

1013
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: I would he knows a division. I don't know. McDermott's

1014
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: a bad coach, but he's hit his head on the

1015
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: ceiling year after year after year. If you give him

1016
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: Josh Allen in the AFC Championship game. I like your

1017
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: chances of going to super Bowl better than I do. McDermott,

1018
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, but yeah, to move on

1019
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: from me, do we know the Bills are safe?

1020
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: To move on from McDermott would be.

1021
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: Maybe Belichick's just asking for too much control.

1022
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: That could be as well, and then.

1023
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: She has every right too.

1024
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: And is your GM gonna you know, was a Brandon Bean,

1025
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: Is he gonna say, yeah, I'll give up control for

1026
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick.

1027
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean that could easily be the sticking point. But

1028
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: I also think the second you knew that Belichick's would

1029
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: become available, twenty owners should pull to their GM and said,

1030
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: do we want him out? Rushmore coach, I got no

1031
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: problem with our guy, but that's Bill Belichick.

1032
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1033
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: But if Bill's like, well, yeah, but I'm gonna build

1034
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: a team like.

1035
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: Well we saw that, Yeah, that didn't work.

1036
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Well, you weren't real good at that.

1037
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: That's that's the That might be the sticking point. Belichick's

1038
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: I want I want control personnel. And they look at

1039
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: and said, that's the reason why you got fired in

1040
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: New England, Right, you were really bad at You were

1041
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: bad at that. We don't want to do that close

1042
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: to a decade, we don't have a quarterback, and we

1043
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: don't trust you to go find the next one. Yeah,

1044
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: you fell into Tom Brady. Yeah, I mean I'm sure

1045
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: him and the Falcons went back and forth and back

1046
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: and forth. And if he's not going to budge on that,

1047
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: nor does he have to. I mean he could go

1048
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: to a beach and never hear from again. And if

1049
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: you if you believe the story that ESPN wrote a

1050
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about the whole fun the whole

1051
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: Craft Belichick thing, Belichick was the one who convinced Kraft

1052
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: that Brady's done, we can we can move on from him.

1053
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: And then he goes to Tampa and when's you know, yeah,

1054
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: another super Bowl.

1055
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: I think that was like kind of the beginning of

1056
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: the end for those guys. Is he wanted Jimmy Yeah,

1057
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean he thought, and that's that's a Belichick thing,

1058
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: like they did that with Seymour and a bunch of

1059
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: those dudes. Is he's a big believer, which I don't

1060
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: disagree with. I would sell the guy a year too

1061
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: early than a year too late, because you get something

1062
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: for him. But he was wrong and also to.

1063
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: A certain degree, I think how those players then view

1064
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: your legacy a little bit.

1065
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean sure got warm and fuzzy. Yeah, yeah, I

1066
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: mean yeah, he wanted to go with Garoppolo. That's why

1067
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: they had to trade him, Yeah, because he went to

1068
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: start him.

1069
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: And then of course we talked yesterday about Harball being

1070
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: hired in.

1071
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we did work on top of that one.

1072
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, things are happening quick though.

1073
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so those jobs are filling up. There's still a

1074
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: lot of teams that haven't hired offensive.

1075
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: Co coordinator stuff.

1076
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: There's about a dozen openings out there right now.

1077
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: So you wonder, though, is Ravens d C or Lions

1078
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: OC they get in Washington and Seattle? I mean you.

1079
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: Stan Quinn had a second interview in Seattle.

1080
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: Seattle. Yeah, it's Rabel not gonna be a coach this year.

1081
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: Is Belichick's not gonna be a coach this year? Is

1082
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: is some team out there? I keep thinking about the

1083
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: Bills that was recently eliminated, thinking about making a move.

1084
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: Maybe Belichick will go coach Michigan.

1085
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Won't interesting, But I think Johnson's going to be a coach.

1086
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: Maybe not this year.

1087
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Only two spots there's.

1088
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Only two spots left. I can't imagine anything else opening

1089
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: up at this point, like his Buffalo gonna wait two

1090
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: weeks from I go, well, Belichick's available, so let's go

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Speaker 1: hire him. Like that would be a pretty see their

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Speaker 1: jerky move.

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Speaker 2: But they could do it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: They could, But I've heard no rumblings in no.

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Speaker 2: I mean either. I mean I'm making that up, just

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Speaker 2: thinking yeah, because once in a while you see a

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Speaker 2: playoff team that gets eliminated and then makes a move.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad coach, but they keep

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Speaker 2: hitting their head on the ceiling, they keep, you know,

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Speaker 2: running back the same thing. I mean, they could Allen's

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Speaker 2: on going.

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Speaker 1: I could see where you would look at it if

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Speaker 1: you've only been a Bills fan, like for like five years,

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Speaker 1: if you've been a long standing Bills fan. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: is right there with Marv Levy in terms of oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they went decades between playoff wins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when he took over, they overachieved. Like, I

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Speaker 2: think he's a good coach. I'm not saying it's a

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Speaker 2: move I would make, but it might be you're not

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Speaker 2: going to change the quarterback and you're not. You already

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Speaker 2: changed the offense coordinator three times or whatever too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Just Belichick's an odd one to be out.

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Speaker 1: There, and sometimes you know, and it goes back to

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Speaker 1: the to the old argument that well, the Steelers didn't

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Speaker 1: win enough when they had Ben Roethlisberger. You got other

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Speaker 1: guys in the conference who are pretty damn good like

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Speaker 1: you don't.

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Speaker 2: He's got two rings. Nobody else did, right, I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you happen to play in the era that then

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Speaker 1: they overlap now with with Brady and Mahomes, like those

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Speaker 1: guys are monopolizing. They are the conference championship game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Patrick Ewing didn't end up with any rings.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's in the East or whatever they call

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Speaker 2: in the NBA with Jordan best of luck. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we're getting into another break here. That's going to

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Speaker 1: do it for our number one of the drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number

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Speaker 1: two right after this.