Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to start off today with talking
Speaker 1: about what we are seeing unfold across the country as
Speaker 1: it pertains to access to abortion. There is a profound
Speaker 1: sense of cruelty that Republicans are rolling out that I
Speaker 1: really do not think is being discussed in the manner
Speaker 1: that it should be. So let me be very blunt
Speaker 1: about what we are seeing and now, provided the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice has finally decided to step in because of
Speaker 1: what has been happening, that is just absolutely egregious. So basically,
Speaker 1: all of these states are implementing their trigger laws and
Speaker 1: are taking away any exception for the life and the
Speaker 1: well being of a pregnant person. In Georgia, they have
Speaker 1: decided that life begins at conception. I don't know why
Speaker 1: the fuck it doesn't begin at ejaculation, because then maybe
Speaker 1: they could start, oh, I don't know, making it mandatory
Speaker 1: that men get vasectomies, which are then reversible when they
Speaker 1: show that they are responsible enough to become fathers. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm so confused about why it is the regulation of
Speaker 1: a body that contains a uterus, as opposed to recognizing
Speaker 1: that it takes more than one person in order to
Speaker 1: create said life. Nonetheless, other places like the state of Idaho,
Speaker 1: which the Department of Justice has decided to file charges against,
Speaker 1: has put in place a law that would criminalize doctors
Speaker 1: for implementing an abortion procedure in order to save the
Speaker 1: life of said pregnant person. And they are pushing the
Speaker 1: limits because the doctor could say, well, they weren't going
Speaker 1: to die, but what will happen is that they'll be
Speaker 1: disabled for the rest of their life, right, And the
Speaker 1: State of Idaho is like, okay, bet, so long as
Speaker 1: you know, we could give a fuck about the host body,
Speaker 1: so long as the collection of cells is able to survive,
Speaker 1: we're not going to provide it with any healthcare. We're
Speaker 1: not going to provide any parental leave, We're not going
Speaker 1: to provide any neonatal care, We're not going to do
Speaker 1: any of those things. Right, so long as you know,
Speaker 1: we can force birth and that be the end of it.
Speaker 1: So the Department of Justice, led by Merrick Garland, has
Speaker 1: decided to step in and they are suing the State
Speaker 1: of Idaho and hoping that in this lawsuit, essentially it
Speaker 1: will make it very clear that these abortion bands are
Speaker 1: violating federal law, and federal law supersedes state law. Hence
Speaker 1: why we are looking to congress this very napped, dysfunctional
Speaker 1: Congress to codify Roe v. Wade and folks, I got
Speaker 1: to tell you that the more you listen to these Republicans,
Speaker 1: the more I ask myself on a daily basis, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with white women? Like, and I
Speaker 1: mean that with absolute shade included, like white women, And
Speaker 1: I am specifically talking about white women that vote for
Speaker 1: Republicans and vote for the Republican Party or just vote
Speaker 1: alongside their boyfriends or their daddies or like whatever it is,
Speaker 1: What the fuck do you think is wrong with them? Right?
Speaker 1: I did a panel Mary L. Trump does a weekly
Speaker 1: show on YouTube and I have joined on as one
Speaker 1: of her nerd Avengers along with several friends of Woke,
Speaker 1: a f and folks that you all see on MSNBC
Speaker 1: and other news outlets. And on this panel that was
Speaker 1: like completely star studded. I was just you know, elated
Speaker 1: to be included were lawyers and academics, journalists discussing what
Speaker 1: it is going to take essentially to activate people, and
Speaker 1: will Rob Wade that were the overturning of such be it?
Speaker 1: And what I said was, you know, I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure what it is going to take white women to
Speaker 1: pull their heads out from the fucking sand and realize
Speaker 1: that these men who they believed that they gained their
Speaker 1: power from, view them as incubators. You, my dear woman,
Speaker 1: are an incubator for white supremacy. There are no exceptions
Speaker 1: for rape, there are no exceptions for insects, there are
Speaker 1: no exceptions. And frankly, if you land right on an
Speaker 1: operating table, guess what your life is at risk? Guess
Speaker 1: what said doctor, if you are having complications, isn't going
Speaker 1: to save your life. And there is no amount of money,
Speaker 1: no plane ticket that when you are on that operating
Speaker 1: table and the choice is being made between you and
Speaker 1: a fetus that they choose in you. So I need
Speaker 1: white women in this country to wake the fuck up.
Speaker 1: And now I know that it isn't going to be
Speaker 1: me that these women are going to listen to. So
Speaker 1: I want the many white women's supporters of all ages
Speaker 1: that listen to woke. A f Folks asked me all
Speaker 1: the time, what can I do? What can I do?
Speaker 1: I need you all to utilize your platforms, start groups,
Speaker 1: start talking to your mom's and your aunts, and your neighbors,
Speaker 1: and your friends, and your child's teacher and the daycare person.
Speaker 1: I need you to start having regular conversations with what
Speaker 1: is at stake and what is coming down for vote.
Speaker 1: By the time that you all listen to this, five
Speaker 1: states will have voted, including the one that everybody is watching,
Speaker 1: which is Kansas, because it's going to be the first
Speaker 1: either referendum on the overturning of Rov Wade or it's
Speaker 1: going to signal to Republicans that that they can just
Speaker 1: keep on keeping on because they no real pushback coming.
Speaker 1: We will find that out by the end of the week.
Speaker 1: But the reality is is that I need you to
Speaker 1: start holding your own focus groups, holding your own town halls,
Speaker 1: and having conversations with other white women about their role
Speaker 1: in this revolution these revolution luctionary times that we are
Speaker 1: living in. It is no longer incumbent on the responsibility
Speaker 1: of black Indigenous women of color right to be on
Speaker 1: the forefront, even though we are the ones that are
Speaker 1: victimized the most from the systemic failures that this country
Speaker 1: has had over generations. Right, we are entering into a
Speaker 1: time when they really have drawn the battle lines of
Speaker 1: us versus them, and your whiteness is not going to
Speaker 1: fucking save you, right, So it isn't going to be
Speaker 1: me that is going to sound the alarm that is
Speaker 1: going to wake these women up. But it is going
Speaker 1: to be all of you. It is going to be
Speaker 1: all of you, not just having one and done conversations,
Speaker 1: but having weekly conversations, consistent conversations, getting on zoom calls,
Speaker 1: getting on you know, getting on a phone chain, talking
Speaker 1: with your church members, your synagogue. You're like, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it is time for white women to take on the
Speaker 1: role of waking up other white women because otherwise this
Speaker 1: country ain't surviving, right, And you know, I would love
Speaker 1: to believe that there are more people who believe in progress,
Speaker 1: equity and justice in this country than who don't, but
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I think that it's about fifty fifty.
Speaker 1: And right now, the other fucking side is winning, and
Speaker 1: they are winning fucking big. And the setup for our
Speaker 1: loss in twenty twenty two for the midterms election isn't
Speaker 1: like the We're going to have another chance at this again.
Speaker 1: We are two elections away from losing our democracy fucking completely.
Speaker 1: That is not an exaggeration. That is an alarm to
Speaker 1: go off in everyone's head. Republicans achieve a win in
Speaker 1: these midterms and then are set up to win in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. America is done. America already as we
Speaker 1: have known it and understood it right throughout our all
Speaker 1: many decades. Isn't never going to happen again? Right? We
Speaker 1: are already so removed from the Obama years, let alone
Speaker 1: any years prior to that. We are in such a
Speaker 1: dark and dismal place in this country that there isn't
Speaker 1: a day that goes by. There isn't a fucking hour
Speaker 1: that goes by that another virus isn't announced, another talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody being shot or killed or beaten or stabbed,
Speaker 1: a black person, unarmed by police or a vigilante. There
Speaker 1: isn't a headline that goes by that isn't talking about
Speaker 1: climate change and uncontained fire, superstorms. They are all of
Speaker 1: these things, right, And so you add on top of
Speaker 1: all of the man made climate change and disaster that
Speaker 1: we are experiencing right now, and combine that with the
Speaker 1: fall of our democracy and the fact that we all
Speaker 1: continue to kind of move throughout the world right now,
Speaker 1: like everything is going to somehow work itself out. It
Speaker 1: ain't working itself out unless we work it out, and
Speaker 1: unless everyone gets to the same place. A fucking rage
Speaker 1: of where we are and all of the rights that
Speaker 1: we are losing, and what is going to happen when
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court now takes up affirmative action when they
Speaker 1: get back, takes up birth control when they get back,
Speaker 1: takes up marriage equality right, and all of these things.
Speaker 1: Tick tick tick tick tick right. So my feeling is
Speaker 1: I need for folks to be talking to the members
Speaker 1: of their own community, to be getting these people on board,
Speaker 1: to coming to them and saying I am like you
Speaker 1: and you are like me, but this cannot stand right,
Speaker 1: that no one is going to be safe. So while
Speaker 1: you may have been able to be like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not black, so I don't need to care about
Speaker 1: police reform or voting rights or you know, I'm not this,
Speaker 1: so I don't need, you know, to hair about healthcare.
Speaker 1: And I'm wealthy so I can do whatever the fuck. No,
Speaker 1: they are coming for everything, and frankly, it's pretty fucking
Speaker 1: simple and easy because they have recognized that they don't
Speaker 1: need Congress, they don't need the federal government, they needed
Speaker 1: the courts, and they needed more than half of the
Speaker 1: states to be controlled by Republican governors. Right that they
Speaker 1: can just rewrite constitutions, They can rewrite the law and
Speaker 1: think that no pushback is going to come. And what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that it is time for the population
Speaker 1: right that handed Donald Trump a win in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: that decided not to vote for one of their own
Speaker 1: but instead go for the pussy grabbing, misogynist, racist pig
Speaker 1: and do so again in twenty twenty. This is on
Speaker 1: all y'all. So for the good, progressive, thoughtful, strategic white
Speaker 1: women that are listening to me right now, I need
Speaker 1: you to jot down a list of ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: women that you can call into conversation. Invite them and
Speaker 1: not bereade them, but say, do you know what is
Speaker 1: happening in our state? Right? Here is where abortion stands,
Speaker 1: Here is where voting rights stands, here is where canceling
Speaker 1: of student debt stands. Here's where this stands. Our democracy
Speaker 1: is crumbling, and if we don't activate ourselves now, there
Speaker 1: will be no next time. This is what I need.
Speaker 1: I need people to start doing, utilizing your platforms, your voice,
Speaker 1: and your network and recognizing that everything is at stake
Speaker 1: right now and everyone has a responsibility. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: dear friends, my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan. That's to bring us the latest on Monkey Pops, which,
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Speaker 1: that whenever we have the opportunity to talk with our
Speaker 1: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, we are overjoyed and
Speaker 1: also terrified at what the latest virus discussion will be about,
Speaker 1: or how much America is failing once again when faced
Speaker 1: with a health pandemic that we should learn from. We
Speaker 1: should have used the things that we learned over the
Speaker 1: past two years with COVID to engage with monkeypox, and
Speaker 1: yet Jonathan, here we are where last week New York
Speaker 1: State declared a state of emergency. This week California has
Speaker 1: declared a state of emergency. Tell us, how is it
Speaker 1: that we got this wrong again? Well, first, let me
Speaker 1: say the most important thing is there's a monkeypox vaccine
Speaker 1: that stops this right. It's going to be mandated by
Speaker 1: the government. The government is going to force you and
Speaker 1: your family to get the vaccine, and you should resist.
Speaker 1: You should not listen to the government force you to
Speaker 1: get the vaccine. This is big government. The reason I'm
Speaker 1: saying that is because there's only so much monkey box
Speaker 1: vaccine around, and so I have a feeling, first of all,
Speaker 1: that this is going to be a totally different Like
Speaker 1: with COVID we mandated, there was plenty of vaccine, everybody
Speaker 1: just go in and get it, and that led to
Speaker 1: all this crazy politics. But I think, as we talked
Speaker 1: about last week, one of the main issues is that
Speaker 1: there's We've had the technology for a while, because you know,
Speaker 1: we had smallpox, for example, and there's only one company,
Speaker 1: but veryan Nordic, that makes this vaccine and there and
Speaker 1: there's not enough of it, and so I feared that
Speaker 1: this is going to turn into like the Hunger Games
Speaker 1: in a way for the vaccine. So we have to
Speaker 1: say the same things as the COVID vaccine to get
Speaker 1: like millions of my fellow honkys to not get the vaccine,
Speaker 1: so they'll be enough for everybody. Because I think that
Speaker 1: the fact that this thing is going to be this
Speaker 1: thing is going to get really bad. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful day out, but this thing is going to
Speaker 1: get really bad. And so number one one is like,
Speaker 1: we this isn't COVID. We're not starting from nowhere. We
Speaker 1: actually have a treatment for this, but it's in limited supply,
Speaker 1: and so how we how we kind of narrate this
Speaker 1: as this thing starts to spread is going to be
Speaker 1: super duper important. Now back to your question, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do that as a public service announcement, but
Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, there's been a version
Speaker 1: of monkey Box, as we talked about before, that has
Speaker 1: been circulating a round Africa for a long time. But
Speaker 1: it's it really seems like it's behaving differently now. If
Speaker 1: you look at the if you look at the transmission patterns.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's doubling in New York and other
Speaker 1: places like every week, Like yep, how's that happening? And
Speaker 1: so I called my parents the other day, who are
Speaker 1: like smart liberal doctors and I and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys should get the monkey box vaccine
Speaker 1: if you can, because this thing is not behaving the
Speaker 1: way the way you know, it's behaving like smallpox. Which
Speaker 1: smallpox it's on a surface for like twenty five years. Um,
Speaker 1: that's how this thing is acting, right, This thing is
Speaker 1: acting like like smallpox used to. And can you can
Speaker 1: you explain just give us a give us a bit
Speaker 1: of a history lesson in terms of how smallpox actually
Speaker 1: acted and how monkeypox is deviating from what has been
Speaker 1: discovered as it has circulated throughout countries in Africa, um,
Speaker 1: and how it's acting differently and like smallpox. Now yeah yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean the issue with with smallpox, right, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of similar with monkeypox, right, is that, Um it's
Speaker 1: initially everybody thought, oh, here's an illness that's causing you know,
Speaker 1: vesicles or um blisters, those kind of things, but it
Speaker 1: turns out it's also affecting your internal organs And then
Speaker 1: it turned out that if you have it in your
Speaker 1: like internal organs um and you call for your sneeze,
Speaker 1: it's not like an airborne virus. But if somebody's near
Speaker 1: you and has it in their gi or respiratory track,
Speaker 1: there's a chance they could propel that onto you and
Speaker 1: then all you have to do is like rub your
Speaker 1: eye or something like that. But the other thing is
Speaker 1: if they cough on a surface, like smallpox, would just
Speaker 1: you know, the famous cases right were when it was
Speaker 1: in blankets, right, and we gave it to Native Americans
Speaker 1: and wiped out like millions and millions of millions of people,
Speaker 1: And so this stuff can live outside the body. I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the main point. And if it's
Speaker 1: that same category everybody before was like, oh, you have
Speaker 1: to like rub against the vesicles or the story with
Speaker 1: my parents actually kind of terrifying as that I said,
Speaker 1: you guys should get the smallpox vac scene and my
Speaker 1: dad not at all, but he just said, really, sincerely,
Speaker 1: I haven't had gay sex, and so I think everybody
Speaker 1: thinks like, oh, you have to have this is like
Speaker 1: HIV that you actually have to have, like penetrating gay
Speaker 1: sex to have it, and I'm sorry that's not the case,
Speaker 1: you know, But I mean, you know, Jonathan, what what
Speaker 1: makes me and you know, like jokes aside about the
Speaker 1: name and all of these things, but what has pissed
Speaker 1: me off in terms of the way that the media
Speaker 1: and the CDC and others have rolled out their faques
Speaker 1: around monkey pox is in fact the same way that
Speaker 1: they stigmatize HIV and AIDS. And it's like as if
Speaker 1: there has been nothing that has been learned in the
Speaker 1: last thirty forty fucking years about like not situating a
Speaker 1: virus in one community and thinking that oh, because you're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's concentrated in a community of men that sleep
Speaker 1: with men, which then essentially announces to heterosexuals or those
Speaker 1: that receive themselves to be heterosexual that like, I don't
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to this, so I'll click the
Speaker 1: channel when we're talking about monkey pox and go on
Speaker 1: to something else. And they have stigmatized it and created
Speaker 1: a stereotype around It's one group and one type of
Speaker 1: person that is getting this, and by virtue of them
Speaker 1: getting it, oh, well, they just aren't paying attention and
Speaker 1: they're not taking their health seriously and what have you.
Speaker 1: So can you talk about how this rollout of expressing
Speaker 1: to people the dangers around monkey pox has made it
Speaker 1: spread so quickly because of how they've done it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just HIV, right, it's also it's
Speaker 1: this is a this is a this is a basically
Speaker 1: a likely epidemic that's happening after they've been so badly
Speaker 1: burned by COVID, right, and so COVID so much has
Speaker 1: shaped this also and so um. And the other part
Speaker 1: I think is that they just completely minimized how contagious
Speaker 1: this is. I mean, again, nobody's saying that it's just
Speaker 1: me looking at the data. But again, if it's spreading
Speaker 1: the way that they initially said, there's just no way
Speaker 1: it would be multiplying the way it is. But it's
Speaker 1: multiplying like crazy, And so I don't know, gay people
Speaker 1: also use laundry, They also use linens and towels, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean, it's fully spreading by lots
Speaker 1: of different ways that are not just you know, the
Speaker 1: domain of gay people like kids, you know, But no,
Speaker 1: because I'm actually I'm thinking about the fact that if you're,
Speaker 1: if we're if you're talking about what we all remember
Speaker 1: or read about smallpox in history class when we were
Speaker 1: in K through twelfth school. The reality here is that
Speaker 1: in cities, right, let's just look, let's just look at
Speaker 1: New York City. Right, in cities, I live in an
Speaker 1: hold on I'm sorry, I live in an apartment building
Speaker 1: that does not have laundry, right, so I send my
Speaker 1: laundry out, like millions of people that live in New York, right,
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that if this is functioning in
Speaker 1: the same way as smallpox, which was wrapped up in blankets,
Speaker 1: and many people in this city use laundry mats, use
Speaker 1: laundry facilities, and we have again just been talking about
Speaker 1: monkey pops as if you have to come into sexual
Speaker 1: or like close physical contact as opposed to touching a
Speaker 1: surface or going or using a laundry machine or what
Speaker 1: have you. Like? Are we not looking at literally and
Speaker 1: figuratively all of the touch points here, how this is
Speaker 1: spreading in a city right now, in a state like
Speaker 1: New York and California. I you know again, I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at the numbers. I'm looking at the graphs, and
Speaker 1: just as a totally independent observer who's not studying this
Speaker 1: I'm saying, there's no way this thing is spreading this
Speaker 1: fast if it's just through gay sex, that's just that's so,
Speaker 1: that's me independently saying that. I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: It's not like I have some knowledge, but I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, but I would not be surprised if this
Speaker 1: thing spreads because it's spreading in ways that we didn't anticipate,
Speaker 1: and so and so, in that sense, I feel like
Speaker 1: it is on one hand, it's been minimized. On their hand,
Speaker 1: our public health infrastructure, let's be honest, has been devastated, demoralized,
Speaker 1: and is still fighting the COVID pandemic. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: there are reasons that aren't just ignorance here. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people know it. I just think that
Speaker 1: you know, I have to see. And the other point,
Speaker 1: of course, is that we don't have anywhere near enough treatment.
Speaker 1: And so I think every time you see anybody just
Speaker 1: say this is a government plot to vaccinate your children
Speaker 1: or something like that, because until we have enough vaccine,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the unfortunate thing is public health
Speaker 1: awareness is just going to be really really important, especially
Speaker 1: in a place like New York, and so I do
Speaker 1: think there needs to be more consistent, updated information about
Speaker 1: the ways that it's spread. I'm I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: crazy person, right, but I get the monkeypox text messages
Speaker 1: on my phone, you know, from the city. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you do that. But initially it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, um, like I'd see if they can find it.
Speaker 1: I mean, initially it was kind of like, um, don't
Speaker 1: go to the bathhouse. But now it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the stuff that's coming out is kind of like do
Speaker 1: you have a fever, go see your doctor right away
Speaker 1: or something like that. So even judging on that, I
Speaker 1: think people probably know that this thing is is more contagious.
Speaker 1: But again, I just think that the risk of putting
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of information which may or may
Speaker 1: not be correct until they know what's going on, I
Speaker 1: think that's maybe what they're afraid of. I'm actually going
Speaker 1: to do some investigation about this. I'm talking to some
Speaker 1: people this week, so i'll have a better sense next week.
Speaker 1: But it's, um, it's it's it's an intense time, it
Speaker 1: really is. You know, there are so so last week,
Speaker 1: how this got back into the headlines and back onto
Speaker 1: you know, regular segments on cable news. Is because has
Speaker 1: two children and eight women have become infected with monkeypox,
Speaker 1: which was outside again of the community that had been
Speaker 1: said is where monkey pox is living, which is the
Speaker 1: LGBTQ community. Now, as a former elementary school teacher and
Speaker 1: preschool teacher, I keep thinking, yeah, I keep thinking now
Speaker 1: about the fact that kids are getting ready to go
Speaker 1: back to school, and you know, the things that we
Speaker 1: need to understand, particularly about preschoolers, right so I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the twos, the threes, and the fours, is that
Speaker 1: everything is tactile, Everything goes in their mouth, everything goes
Speaker 1: on their bodies, like all of these things. And if
Speaker 1: we're talking about the fact that children are now have
Speaker 1: gotten monkey pox, I want to know, just from your
Speaker 1: sense again of looking and reading like it again, should
Speaker 1: we be having more conversations about what going back to
Speaker 1: school is going to look like when you're talking about
Speaker 1: millions of kids touching you know, all of these like,
Speaker 1: are we not expressing the dangers and talking about protocol
Speaker 1: in the way that we need to when we know
Speaker 1: that American children are going back to school in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. I mean, hell yeah, I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm obviously thinking about this for college also, right, because
Speaker 1: college students live indoors, yes, the community that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they also put everything in their mouth and in a
Speaker 1: different way. And so I would just say that, I
Speaker 1: would just say that, like, where's the information right now?
Speaker 1: And again I realize it's probably just being I mean,
Speaker 1: the fear of like saying stuff that's not right, I
Speaker 1: think is the is the is the lesson of COVID
Speaker 1: people are afraid of. But I feel like we're airing
Speaker 1: on the other side right now, which is just kind
Speaker 1: of acting like, you know, don't have unprotected gay sex
Speaker 1: and you'll be I feel like, yeah, we're acting like that.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing that is scaring the shit out
Speaker 1: of me is that I honestly, I feel like we
Speaker 1: are acting as if there is no like that this
Speaker 1: isn't a big deal like it was initially. Like again,
Speaker 1: the initial reports of this and how we have shifted
Speaker 1: in terms of the conversation from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: end of June until now has changed dramatically, and so
Speaker 1: initially it was just like, oh, look at this weird
Speaker 1: thing that's happening on this continent that the world doesn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about because it's filled with black people,
Speaker 1: so like, who really cares and it'll never come here.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, it's like, no, there are
Speaker 1: cases that are popping up in Europe and cases that
Speaker 1: are popping up here. Because, as I've said, everything is
Speaker 1: just one flight away. So if you're seeing things that
Speaker 1: are happening in you know, in in in an African nation,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking to yourself, oh, well, I'm safe because
Speaker 1: I'm in Kansas. It only takes one goddamn flight, right,
Speaker 1: Like we're a global community. There was a there was
Speaker 1: a viral tweet quote unquote from Spain about a doctor
Speaker 1: who was writing public transportation and if you saw it,
Speaker 1: and he saw somebody with active monkeypox lesions all over
Speaker 1: his body and he was just like right in the
Speaker 1: middle of train and the doctor was like, you cannot
Speaker 1: be here, and and the guy said, oh, people say
Speaker 1: it's respiratory, so I'm fine if I don't touch anybody.
Speaker 1: And then all these people were around him and all
Speaker 1: the people were like, if we don't have gay sex
Speaker 1: with him, we should be all right, and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and it seemed to be a legit tweet, and I
Speaker 1: think there are so many stories like that now. And
Speaker 1: the question is, really the question is how do you
Speaker 1: change perceptions when it's so embedded in bias already. And I,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope they get their act together. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's not too late for them to get their act together.
Speaker 1: Monkeypox is not COVID. It's actually much more containable than COVID.
Speaker 1: We already have treatments for it. But but I feel
Speaker 1: like the lack of centralized information right now is pretty urgent.
Speaker 1: And again, I know they're probably right about freaking people out.
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, we're already gearing up to
Speaker 1: try to get people to get their COVID shots again.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think that the right answer is, like people
Speaker 1: need to be intellectually fucking nimble, right, Like, the more
Speaker 1: information that we have, the more information that you'll get.
Speaker 1: But the fact is for me, is that the federal
Speaker 1: government needs to be running PSAs on every goddamn network
Speaker 1: as like as information comes out, So every day there
Speaker 1: should be multiple PSAs about like what monkeypox is looking
Speaker 1: like in your area, how to stay safe. Like, this
Speaker 1: is what we know right now, which is it can
Speaker 1: live on surfaces, it can live outside the body. This
Speaker 1: is not an STD right, So if you're just quote
Speaker 1: unquote avoiding gay sex like that is not the end
Speaker 1: all be all right. There are people that are getting
Speaker 1: this and it's spreading rapidly and we're still trying to
Speaker 1: get a hold on it. So in the meantime, wash
Speaker 1: your fucking hands, wash the surfaces. Stay like if you
Speaker 1: feel activated with fever or legions, like, go see a doctor.
Speaker 1: How hard is this? I mean, you know, again, I
Speaker 1: think the information infrastructure is the entity that got caught
Speaker 1: with their pants down. I think that in a way,
Speaker 1: we are just really behind the curve here, and it's
Speaker 1: and and again the other issue is the minute it
Speaker 1: gets embedded in bias or homophobia or things like that,
Speaker 1: that just becomes what people think and remember. So then
Speaker 1: it becomes harder to give any kind of neutral information
Speaker 1: or to motivate people. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a real there's a real emergency right now. I
Speaker 1: in no ways making light of it because this is
Speaker 1: a really serious, really painful, really scarring condition. And again,
Speaker 1: you have vesicles internally as well as externally. So you
Speaker 1: don't want this. People don't want this, you know, right now,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? I've gotten rid of so much
Speaker 1: of my stock poll crap, and now I just ordered
Speaker 1: four more huge boxes of gloves, and so I have
Speaker 1: rubber gloves now just in case. I got some eye goggles,
Speaker 1: just in case. You know. That's that's where this is going,
Speaker 1: because I travel a lot and I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: stay up on the information. I mean, there's some pretty
Speaker 1: concerning studies that again are showing suggesting that this thing
Speaker 1: can be propelled in an aerosol way that I think
Speaker 1: people might want to pay attention to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's going to be true or not, but I'd
Speaker 1: rather be safe safe than sorry. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't gone back to tell you. I'm getting back
Speaker 1: to a place where I just like, am about to
Speaker 1: just go back to self quarantine. It like it is,
Speaker 1: it is so I mean, but it's so real that
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be on I haven't taken
Speaker 1: public transportation because I broke my toe two months ago,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't want to be on public transportation.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in like shared spaces with
Speaker 1: people that I don't know in a way that it
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, the world is open back up,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we're never going to enter back into
Speaker 1: a space I don't believe because of politics of going
Speaker 1: back into quarantine in order to keep people safe, because
Speaker 1: people are crazy, right. So the reality is is that
Speaker 1: you're going to have to take in your own information
Speaker 1: and make choices about how you're about how you're moving
Speaker 1: and existing. And the fact is that we have two
Speaker 1: major friggan viruses that like result in serious injury and depth.
Speaker 1: Ye like we're just having conversations now. And also it's
Speaker 1: understanding the effects of long term of long term COVID, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And also our epidemics are mirroring our political dysfunction, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just it's all these things. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a perfect storm, and I don't know, and until we
Speaker 1: figure this out, I mean, I don't know. I ninety
Speaker 1: million per L's if anybody needs a per L. If
Speaker 1: you get on the airplane, take the take the wipe
Speaker 1: down thing they give you. But I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's you know, the other issue is
Speaker 1: if you were born before nineteen seventy two, you might
Speaker 1: have some lingering protection from the smallpox vaccine, which they
Speaker 1: stopped giving in the early nineteen seventies. So I mean,
Speaker 1: just be careful right now, because you know, I would
Speaker 1: bet you by the time we talk next week, there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more information. Even I just
Speaker 1: feel like we I mean, and there are people who've
Speaker 1: been trying to sound the alarm on this and have
Speaker 1: been not listened to. In fact, they were the same
Speaker 1: people who tried to sound the alarm back COVID. So
Speaker 1: but I don't know, there's still time for us to
Speaker 1: correct course here. I know we have a big vaccine
Speaker 1: shipment coming in in October, so everybody is to just
Speaker 1: be really careful till October and then we can all
Speaker 1: go back to Spotcastle, which I miss dearly. Um and
Speaker 1: so um. You know, but I would just say right now,
Speaker 1: I think you're it's good to be wary, it's good
Speaker 1: to be suspicious. It's just I don't know. We sound
Speaker 1: like conservatives, don't, We like we don't trust the government.
Speaker 1: But it's not it's not that I don't trust. See,
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't trust the government in terms.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they are sounding the alarm.
Speaker 1: So it's actually the different from conservatives, like I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're sounding the alarm on this in the
Speaker 1: way that they Yeah, yeah, I want I want PSAs.
Speaker 1: I want a fireside chat. I want you know, regular
Speaker 1: you know, updates at one o'clock in the afternoon on
Speaker 1: every fucking channel that tells us where we are with COVID,
Speaker 1: where we are with monkey pox, and how to keep
Speaker 1: yourself safe. Right, I want a town hall right before
Speaker 1: back to school about what you need to do with
Speaker 1: your fucking kids, on top of giving them bulletproof backpacks
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, you know in other countries, on top
Speaker 1: of every hour the you'll hear three beeps and then
Speaker 1: a national news broadcast that's like from BBC or I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's an utuel day have, like you know,
Speaker 1: just national radio, and everybody's like, oh, yeah, we trust it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I wish I wish we had
Speaker 1: some neutral information. And the funny thing is when I
Speaker 1: interviewed conservatives about COVID, they would all say, I wish
Speaker 1: we had neutral information. I'm like, yeah, you're at home
Speaker 1: writing reading brightebart give me a break. But that's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like, at times like this, you just want to
Speaker 1: know the information, like what is risk, what is protection?
Speaker 1: What should I do? And right now we're having a
Speaker 1: hard time getting that out. I mean optimistically though, this
Speaker 1: is about as good as it's going to get, so
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. Oh Jesus Christ, job, we're ending on
Speaker 1: that note. I mean, you know, by the time this
Speaker 1: this errors, will know the outcome of some pretty important
Speaker 1: votes today. So um, so you know today could be
Speaker 1: a turning point or on one way or another. So
Speaker 1: one way or another there We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: Both doctor Jonathan Metzl, author of Dying of Whiteness, and
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