WEBVTT - Part Two: The Orgasm Cult

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<v Speaker 1>Cold Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>have uncomfortable conversations about section sexuality and the nineties, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Area in the early two thousands. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be awkward for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting a lot of quadrants, hitting a lot of important quadrants.

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<v Speaker 2>There, hitting a lot of big cues, big cues, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Robert ces. Jamie loftist our wonderful guest, back

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<v Speaker 2>in the saddle again to talk about the orgasm cults.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm it's great to be back in the in the

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<v Speaker 3>the medical saddle.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes you come oh okay, well yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a weird choice today, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we're all struggling to say things that sound like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird, especially like again, this is all so adjacent

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<v Speaker 2>to like things I've done and were a part of

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<v Speaker 2>my youth that it's really kind of weird to me,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the reaction everyone else has to like the and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're doing like public sex demonstrations in front of

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<v Speaker 2>crowds of People's like, no, I've been to a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of those.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, there's a lot of fine people at these events.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm. There's good there, you know. I we did.

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<v Speaker 2>We had one at one of the We did an

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<v Speaker 2>event one year where like the theme was because there's

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<v Speaker 2>different every year, bad idea and so like my roommate,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a lady and is a bit older than me,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's like thirty, wanted to do like a

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<v Speaker 2>demo and like how to use like different like safe

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<v Speaker 2>sex objects and stuff like that because it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>big five day camping trip where bunch of people are

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<v Speaker 2>having sex. And she was like, well, there should be

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<v Speaker 2>an option for people to learn that in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the weird kink camps that teach you how to use

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<v Speaker 2>like a fucking Saint Andrew's cross or a whip or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was that the structure we had for it

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<v Speaker 2>this year was also made to kind of meet the

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<v Speaker 2>theme of a bad idea. So it was a big

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<v Speaker 2>like pyramid like tint shade struckture thing with like a

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<v Speaker 2>huge bed thing at the bottom, but the top was

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<v Speaker 2>like a disco ball that we had made by cutting

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<v Speaker 2>up hundreds of pieces of glass and putting them into

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<v Speaker 2>like a paper machet ball, and they were just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of glued on and it's like one hundred degrees and

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<v Speaker 2>so as it heats up as people are like cuddling

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<v Speaker 2>or doing the safe sex demonstrations or whatever, in their

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of like jagged glass are just like falling down

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<v Speaker 2>and we had put up like a tiny little net

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<v Speaker 2>to catch it. But again, it's supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bad idea, so we didn't want to protect people too much.

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<v Speaker 2>We just made sure people were warned by the way

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<v Speaker 2>it rains glass inside the inside the This sounds like.

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<v Speaker 3>A saw trap. What are you talking?

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<v Speaker 2>It was about fun. Very few people got cut. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a really nice week.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all a jigsaw's tracks. We were young.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a good time and there were like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>four to five stitches required as a result of the

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<v Speaker 2>shattered glass disco ball. It was a great week. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good time. I've got bad idea attooed

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<v Speaker 2>on my fingers because of that week. It was great. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>From that was at the lore drop.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end, I nearly killed a man with a flamethrower.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an awesome week.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Accidentally, guys, guarantina, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you type the words welcomed consensus orgasm, which

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<v Speaker 2>is remember the group that kind of descends from the

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<v Speaker 2>Moorhouse community the Welcomed Consensus. If you type those three

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<v Speaker 2>words into Google, as I did, you'll be presented with

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<v Speaker 2>the Amazon page for a video titled Deliberate Orgasm Expanding

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<v Speaker 2>Female Orgasm, Volume one. It currently costs one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two dollars on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 4>Two five stars, fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Reviews, two point four really.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the color the cover is haunting. The car is

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<v Speaker 3>like what it looks sixty.

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<v Speaker 5>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a naked woman and like a man who's

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<v Speaker 2>like straddling her and has a hand around her buttocks,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's wearing jeans. She's completely fully clothed in jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>If it looks like a cropped Guantanamo picture, it's horrific.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like some ship from grape Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate it. You have to really want I actually

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<v Speaker 3>do the financial barrier, not just anyone should be able

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<v Speaker 3>to look at that. You have to be a pervert

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<v Speaker 3>with money.

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<v Speaker 2>Are not ready? I also love that it's under the

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<v Speaker 2>special interests section of the DVD categories for Amazon. Is

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<v Speaker 2>indeed a special interest full jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're like, let's be clear, no one's comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's having a good time. No one's having what you

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<v Speaker 2>would call sex right like.

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<v Speaker 3>Rod jeans on human skin. Not for another. It's that

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<v Speaker 3>that that lady's gonna chafe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone's shaving. Yeah. This is one of several video

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<v Speaker 2>guides published by the Welcome Consensus. By the time that

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole didone, found it in nineteen ninety eight. She had

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<v Speaker 2>dated Erwin for a while, and while that didn't last,

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<v Speaker 2>her interest in deliberate orgasm did. She pressed Erwine to

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<v Speaker 2>connect her to more training, and rather than send her

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<v Speaker 2>to morehouse, he advised that she look into this splinter

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<v Speaker 2>group instead.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is this pre like huge groups. This is

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<v Speaker 3>pre operating theater coming.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're doing that like the Moorhouse had done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember they'd done that thing where they said like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a three hour orgasm. Like they had done some demos

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Largely is like pr things to like bring

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<v Speaker 2>people in, and the Welcome Consensus did. It wasn't that big,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did do live demonstrations. Right. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that they because the Welcome Consensus is totally about

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<v Speaker 2>orgasm and pleasure and they declare it our birthright because

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<v Speaker 2>we were conceived in orgasm. That's like the motto of

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<v Speaker 2>the group essentially, and to bring in new members, they

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<v Speaker 2>do live demonstrations where a woman would be masturbated for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, and they also sold really risque merch, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're very proud of how horny their merchandise is. They

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<v Speaker 2>have t shirts that brag life is too short for

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<v Speaker 2>mediocre sex. The Welcome Consensus didn't call new members marks. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>they used the term benchmarks because it's just a little

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<v Speaker 2>different than the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds less antagonistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one, this is the burger King of the moor House,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's a burger. It's the burger King of orgasm cults, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Welcome Consensus is.

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<v Speaker 4>Life is too short for mediocre sex is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty good shirt. It's a pretty good shirt. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not attached to a cult.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I don't know, nothing's gonna nothing's gonna get me

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<v Speaker 3>in the door, like some fun, weird merch. So I

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<v Speaker 3>was like I too. Then I'm like, at what point

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<v Speaker 3>would I entertain going through the doors? And it is

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<v Speaker 3>the fugly shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the fugly shirt. Yeah, that's what they know. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Welcome Consensus again they call new members benchmarks, but

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<v Speaker 2>it only costs eleven dollars to visit. They've got a

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a compound obviously that's elsewhere in California, but

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a clubhouse in San Francisco and they do

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<v Speaker 2>like weekly game nights there. And these are games that

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<v Speaker 2>have been invented by the group that are and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those like card games that are like, do you and

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<v Speaker 2>your spouse want to communicate better? This card game, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have you talking better and you know, however long it

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<v Speaker 2>takes to play or whatever like that, right like, that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. Those are the sort of games that

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<v Speaker 2>they're playing. These are like games they've created to aid

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<v Speaker 2>and communication intimacy, and that are also usually you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we did our episodes on Sin and On right like,

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<v Speaker 2>because that comes out of the self help movement that

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff is related to a big thing in

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<v Speaker 2>Sin and On is these sessions where people sit arounder

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<v Speaker 2>the circle and like insult each other, and they're definitely

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<v Speaker 2>influenced by that. They've got some games that are like

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<v Speaker 2>we'll all sit around, we'll talk, we'll tell someone honestly

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<v Speaker 2>something about like themselves there, but it's usually supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be positive, but often there's like a negative side too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's how there. I used to work at UH

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<v Speaker 3>now Closed Comedy Theater, and we would teach stand up

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<v Speaker 3>sketch and improv one of the most evil things you

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<v Speaker 3>can do, and on UH in the stand up classes,

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<v Speaker 3>the first day would always be just that to be you,

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<v Speaker 3>you would have to get on stage. I never took it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I watched each student who just wants to put

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<v Speaker 3>themselves out there, stands on stage, and every other student says, there,

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<v Speaker 3>what are some assumptions people might make about you? And

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<v Speaker 3>this is in Boston, Massachusetts, so you're hearing some really nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, wild stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you're just told like, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that's something you might want to play up on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, it's just anyone who I don't know. The

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<v Speaker 3>Radical Honesty movie. Man, I'm just like, please less disastrous.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to lie more. We need the lie more

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<v Speaker 2>to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, really for our own protection. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that we need a lie more. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to just know less about each other. It's not lying

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<v Speaker 2>just to not tell someone everything. And we don't all

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<v Speaker 2>need to tell someone everything, you know, So most of

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<v Speaker 2>these games again just kind of yet like the dark secrets,

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<v Speaker 2>like tell me the darkest thing that turns you on

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<v Speaker 2>or stuff like that. Like that's a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of games that they're playing and doing so

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<v Speaker 2>in public is really frightening but also kind of thrilling

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<v Speaker 2>and cathartic, and it creates this sort of stressful bonding

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<v Speaker 2>experience that other self help groups like you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is all of them are doing something like this in

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<v Speaker 2>this period of time, and even kind of still into

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<v Speaker 2>the modern day. Everything is just kind of sent and

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<v Speaker 2>on when you get right down to it. Now. The

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<v Speaker 2>founder of the Welcome Consensus our Ja Testament, which sounds fake,

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<v Speaker 2>was a cowboy coded dude. He's always wearing like a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking cowboy hat. He's in like his fifties, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>What people will tell you about r J and the

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<v Speaker 2>COLT is that he's really good at calling people on

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<v Speaker 2>their bullshit. And here that phrase means he's really good

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<v Speaker 2>at psychologically abusing people, right, Like that's what that means.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>R J was attended to by four women who were

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<v Speaker 2>his lovers and also helped run the group. This was

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<v Speaker 2>specifically framed more as polyamory than as polygamy. Uh and

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<v Speaker 2>one thing everyone got who lived at the group's ranch

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<v Speaker 2>was plenty of sex and a near total escape from

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<v Speaker 2>the real world. New members like Nicole were promised that

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<v Speaker 2>they too could escape the grind of regular life if

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<v Speaker 2>they just gave themselves over to the cause. They then

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<v Speaker 2>got to live on an organic farm, growing their own

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<v Speaker 2>food and orgasm at least five times per day. You

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<v Speaker 2>really are not allowed to do it. Less, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not sounding like there is an opt out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, now can you lie? Of course they're not checking,

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<v Speaker 2>but oh you can lie. Everyone does.

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<v Speaker 7>So.

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<v Speaker 2>The WC framed their sex work as a sex as

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<v Speaker 2>sexual experimentation. Again, just like the morauses, Like, we're really

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<v Speaker 2>more researchers trying to learn, like you know, this math,

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<v Speaker 2>the scientific secrets of sex that have been locked away,

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<v Speaker 2>and their goal is to create like an elite level

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<v Speaker 2>sexual experience. They were actually more as much as they

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<v Speaker 2>were inspired by their self help groups. They're inspired by

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<v Speaker 2>like fine dining restaurants, like the French laundry. That's very

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<v Speaker 2>much how they like build themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a orgasm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a Michelin star cup. Yes, so, Nicole was an

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<v Speaker 2>instant fit. In short order, she'd paid fourteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for a two week class on how to feel and

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge her orgasms. Hewitt notes that in her bio for

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<v Speaker 2>the group website at the time, she wrote, orgasm is

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<v Speaker 2>the thread that weaves my life together. There is nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but orgasm as much as I want. That's That's really

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<v Speaker 2>how a lot of the stuff in the later cult

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<v Speaker 2>that she's gonna make is gonna sound like they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it like fucking mana right, like their wizards and

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<v Speaker 2>this is their magic power is orgasm, like like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a quantifiable thing. Like it's not it's not like a

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<v Speaker 2>moment that happens. It's like a quantifiable kind of energy

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<v Speaker 2>you just have with you and like do a Duken's

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<v Speaker 2>with It's kind of it's kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of like almost I mean, I know it won't be

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<v Speaker 3>for long, but it is almost kind of sweet. How

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking about orgasms as if it was their idea

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<v Speaker 3>and they're the first people to think of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no one else thinking this out. So the older

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<v Speaker 2>group members noticed right away that Nicole was very good

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<v Speaker 2>at winning new recruits, at convincing people to join the group.

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<v Speaker 2>And to pay money. One of her first gets was

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<v Speaker 2>a young woman named Allison, who was referred to the

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<v Speaker 2>group by Rwan after meeting him at a rave. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of like after parties for Burning Man

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff that people are being like recruited for to

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<v Speaker 2>some of these groups and shit like that's that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. And Irwan is kind of the thing I

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<v Speaker 2>get is that he's kind of like their floater, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably I think, a good looking guy, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>going out to like parties and stuff to find women

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<v Speaker 2>like Nicole and Alison and you know, talk them into

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<v Speaker 2>showing up at a place like this. So Alison meets

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<v Speaker 2>Ariwon at the rave, and she goes to the Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Consensus and at her first meeting, she meets Nicole and

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<v Speaker 2>she tells Nicole, oh, you know, I just got awarded

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stock at work, so I just cashed

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<v Speaker 2>in like hundreds of thousands of dollars. And Nicole is

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<v Speaker 2>like cash register signs, right, So she starts flirting with Alison,

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<v Speaker 2>and Alison falls in love with Nicole, even though she'd

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<v Speaker 2>always considered herself straight before. And I think this has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do with just Nicole is very charismatic.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very good at making you feel like you're the

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<v Speaker 2>only person in the world, and she's very good at

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<v Speaker 2>making you feel that, like, doing things that feel good

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<v Speaker 2>with Nicole are also like revolutionary acts that are helping humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's kind of Nicole's superpower. Yeah, so we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, like we talked about the Greeks, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about more House about how they went from like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when women orgasm, it's so incredibly powerful, and they've used

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<v Speaker 2>that as a way to like say, obviously that means

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<v Speaker 2>women always want it right and the same thing happens

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<v Speaker 2>to a welcome consensus right per the Book of Orgasm,

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<v Speaker 2>or sorry per the book Empire of Orgasm.

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<v Speaker 3>For the book, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, they invoked biological generalizations about the way female

0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.480
<v Speaker 2>mammals and estress and nonverbal signals to attract mates and humans.

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<v Speaker 2>They argue this manifested through emotions. Women can therefore emit

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<v Speaker 2>emotional calls and induce men to respond. When men are

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<v Speaker 2>feeling turned on or at peace or enraged, that's because

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<v Speaker 2>they're responding to a call that a woman is putting out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, this means that women are responsible for men's

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<v Speaker 2>arousal for how men feel right, and men are not

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<v Speaker 2>for how.

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<v Speaker 3>They responsible for making sure that they're taking care of

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<v Speaker 3>And that's actually feminism when you think about it, isn't it, ladys?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And as is the case with any

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.560
<v Speaker 2>group that dedicates themselves to reimagining human relationships while fucking

0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.800
<v Speaker 2>on an isolated farm, they spiraled into madness as time

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<v Speaker 2>went on, as researchers the group decided to experiment with

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<v Speaker 2>violence and whether or not that might be a healthy

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<v Speaker 2>way for people to express emotions honestly. And the way

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<v Speaker 2>how this happens, Like RJ and a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 2>men are like, I get angry and just want to

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<v Speaker 2>hit women sometimes maybe that's good. Like that's literally the

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<v Speaker 2>thought process here and.

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<v Speaker 3>At this university. We're choosing to explore things we already

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<v Speaker 3>know and they already do.

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<v Speaker 2>God, yeah, it's fucked up. So one example Ellen Hewitt

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<v Speaker 2>gives is a male member of the Welcome Consensus who

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<v Speaker 2>gets into an argument with a female member and punches

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<v Speaker 2>her hard enough to knock her to the ground, and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes to RJ to complain and he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to cop to whatever it is you were

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<v Speaker 2>doing that made him angry or I'll beat you up myself. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is liberating, right yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 3>That means you're powerful, and that's me acknowledging you're powerful.

0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:53.520
<v Speaker 2>As me acknowledging your power. So RJ, this won't surprise anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Was an aging drunk who went crazy with power and

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<v Speaker 2>was as likely to give his followers pain as pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>when he was doing these orgasm sets. Sometimes, if he

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<v Speaker 2>was angry at a woman that he was like stroking,

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<v Speaker 2>he would stroke her clitter is so hard that it

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<v Speaker 2>like was agonizing. And then like when someone would be like, hey,

0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you're hurting me, he would accuse her of refusing to surrender.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was not like he regularly would like literally

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<v Speaker 2>just slap or otherwise hit his partner's generals during these

0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.840
<v Speaker 2>if he got angry at them. So again, these are

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<v Speaker 2>not like nice times a lot of the time. Right, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's super shocking to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, so fun say more. No, not great,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is all happening in group set. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like there's no of witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, lots of witnesses.

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<v Speaker 4>That just reminds me of that Samantha Jones quote from

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<v Speaker 4>Sex and the City when they're at the massage store

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a bunch of women there but are not

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<v Speaker 4>actually shopping for massage, but they're shopping for vibrators. And

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<v Speaker 4>she looks at this woman she goes, not.

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<v Speaker 3>That one that will burn. You're cut off? Okay, perfect, Wow,

0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 3>She's always with us, She's always with.

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<v Speaker 4>Us, ahead of the times.

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<v Speaker 2>So Alison, not long after Nicole convinced her to join,

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<v Speaker 2>became the target of RJ's ire. There's like an evening

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<v Speaker 2>where they're like there's several a bunch of people hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out at the property and Arjie gets really drunk and

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<v Speaker 2>he tells Alison like, get down on your hands and knees,

0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and he pulls up her skirt and he starts whipping

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.760
<v Speaker 2>her with a writing crop and just like screaming and cursing.

0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.840
<v Speaker 2>He's just like a maniac. Right, Nicole does nothing, even

0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.280
<v Speaker 2>though Alison is very clearly frightened. And that's kind of

0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:34.879
<v Speaker 2>something to Cole takes with her, is that this person

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<v Speaker 2>who I thought was into me and was like it

0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.480
<v Speaker 2>convinced me that this was a safe place, brought me

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<v Speaker 2>into the situation and said nothing when this happened, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I mean, you know, this echoes a lot of colts,

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<v Speaker 3>but it feels very nexium adjacent in the way that

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<v Speaker 3>we are being weaponized to recruit other women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and happening at the same Nicole's COLT is going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen at the same time as nexium. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is too next time. I think get started in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties some but they're very similar movements. Yes, there's

0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot that they have in common. Nicole would later

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<v Speaker 2>brag when she starts her cold that she was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the only women RJ never tried to hit, which, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that says. Yeah. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and one, after three years with the Welcome Consensus, Nicole

0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.560
<v Speaker 2>decided she had reached the peak of what they could

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.760
<v Speaker 2>give her. Their top training course was called Validation, and

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<v Speaker 2>to pass you had to complete a three hour orgasmic

0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.080
<v Speaker 2>stroking session into a one hour public demonstration. To even

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<v Speaker 2>attempt this costs one hundred thousand dollars. Nicole doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of money, so she goes to Aerwon and

0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 2>is like, hey, man, you've just come into an inheritance.

0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you pay for us both to have the

0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.240
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dollars class, and Airwon pays initially, but

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.399
<v Speaker 2>then he gets cold feet and he backs out and

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.879
<v Speaker 2>demands a refund of the money he'd put down, and

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 2>RJ refuses to refund his money. So Airwan sues the

0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.040
<v Speaker 2>group and accuses them of prostitution and says, and he

0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.760
<v Speaker 2>had been part of this, right Airwon was, but he says,

0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 2>just selling sex.

0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So journalists start converging on the community, they get

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of bad press and that Rgie's kind of

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 2>getting old at this point, so he just backs off

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and they really reduce their recruitment efforts. He eventually decides

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna like kind of fade away, right, like,

0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.840
<v Speaker 2>like I'm too old for this shit. I don't want

0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.400
<v Speaker 2>to have to like fight the outside world.

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's the abusive grift was good while it lasted.

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And that's when Nicole kind of decides it's

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 2>time to leave, right It's time for me. She can

0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.120
<v Speaker 2>see like, Okay, the welcome consensus is on its way out.

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It's time for me to start my own orgasm cult

0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.480
<v Speaker 2>slash training program. And we'll talk about all that once

0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:50.239
<v Speaker 2>we finish these ads, so to find and start her

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.359
<v Speaker 2>own cold Nicole knows she's gonna need money, right, and

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 2>she does not have any. So before she leaves, she

0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.600
<v Speaker 2>finds a married couple, Rob and Carol Kandall, who had

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:04.159
<v Speaker 2>recently joined Welcomed Consensus. Yes Yes, very good name Carol,

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah ka n d e LLL. They want to spice

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<v Speaker 2>up their boring one percent er corporate life.

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:12.360
<v Speaker 7>Right.

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Rob is a successful businessman. I think he's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if he's like rich or just upper middle class,

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.120
<v Speaker 2>but he's got money and he and Carol had lived

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.320
<v Speaker 2>up this point a pretty standard life. Like they get married.

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Rob is very successful. He works his way up the

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.840
<v Speaker 2>corporate ladder, and then kind of when they're in you know,

0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the thirties with middle aged and agent sight, Rob is like,

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, like we're boring, right, And so he

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 2>goes to Burning Man with his wife and they take

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 2>mushrooms and he decides he wants more out of life

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.119
<v Speaker 2>than just like making money. And that's what brings Rob

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and Carol to the Welcomed Consensus.

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 2>And Rob is because Nicole spots immediately that this is

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the guy I need to bring with me when I

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 2>leave this cult. And that's because he's going to be

0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the model for the kind of dude that she is

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.160
<v Speaker 2>going to kind of fashion her entire life around soaking

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 2>for cash. Unfortunately, she's often going to do that by

0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 2>like making other women fulfill that guy's weird and sick desire,

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>so he pays her. But that's coming in a bit.

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 2>What she sees right away with Rob is that Silicon

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Valley is filled with dudes who spend all their you know,

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 2>when they were in school, they were always studying, they

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.320
<v Speaker 2>were big nerds. They didn't spend a lot of time partying,

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>they didn't do a lot of dating, and then they

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 2>start working in their workaholics and they don't spend a

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of time dating too, And you know, if they

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.879
<v Speaker 2>get married, they probably feel like they never got to

0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.359
<v Speaker 2>sew their wild oats. They didn't get to do enough partying,

0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.920
<v Speaker 2>they didn't get to have enough sex, right, and they

0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.360
<v Speaker 2>wind up bored and feeling like life is passing them by.

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>And she sees that in Rob, and she realizes this

0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy will do anything to prove to himself

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 2>that he's not just another middle aged, middle class white

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.359
<v Speaker 2>guy with money, right, and I think that.

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.959
<v Speaker 3>This like personality profile too, is like there's always an

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 3>element of like revenge to having access to a lot

0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 3>of sex and that it's been owed to you. You're

0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 3>getting it back.

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I never got it in high school, right, And yeah,

0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 2>he definitely a big part of what he feels is that,

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.199
<v Speaker 2>like I will do anything to have sex with a

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of young women. Right, that's what That's what Nicole

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>sees in Rob.

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:06.160
<v Speaker 8>Right.

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.199
<v Speaker 2>So she first enters Rob's life when he goes to

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a benchmark gathering and she walks in wearing this elaborate,

0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.919
<v Speaker 2>sexy costume. He would later describe it as like a

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>moment from a movie where the music changes to mark

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 2>an important plot point, because all these guys want to

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're the leading man in a blockbuster film

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and like, finally, like my life is turning into a movie.

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm no longer going to be like this boring slub

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 2>work and a job, right, And Nicole sees that and

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>sees like that's just what you tell him. You just

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 2>tell him this is a great adventure, Like you're the

0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 2>protagonist of life. We're going to make like this is

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 2>like that's that's forever and now as long as you

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.159
<v Speaker 2>stick with me. So for the moment, Carol needs to

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 2>be around too, because Rob is not willing to immediately

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.200
<v Speaker 2>dump his wife, and Nicole manages to convince them both

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 2>that she can provide a more exciting and lucrative future

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>for them than the Welcomed Consensus. So she poaches these

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 2>two and two other students before leaving, and they all

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.400
<v Speaker 2>move into Rob's house in San Francisco. Well, Nicole tries

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what to do to differentiate her grift

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 2>from the ones that had come before her. Right, she

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.239
<v Speaker 2>knows she wants to do something like the Moorhouse and

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the Welcome Consensus, but she wants it to be her

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 2>own thing, and she wants it to be something that

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 2>can last and will not wind up pissing off a

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 2>bunch of like newspapers and stuff. Right, she has to

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>make it like somehow how do I make it work?

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And how do I make it palatable for like people

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.119
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties who are less sexists than these dudes

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 2>from like the sixties and seventies who had started the

0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>other orgasm cults.

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Or at least a different kind.

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or at least a different kind. So before she

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.199
<v Speaker 2>figures out what her grift is going to be. Well,

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.159
<v Speaker 2>they're all still living at Rob's house. She knows. She

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 2>wants to launch a food donation charity called fill Up America.

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.879
<v Speaker 2>And this is not an act of charity. This is

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 2>something she had learned because both the Welcomed Consensus and

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the More House people did this right where they had

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.199
<v Speaker 2>food donation charities and they would take food donations, but

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the purpose of these were not to give out food.

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.120
<v Speaker 2>It was so that you didn't have to shop. Right,

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 2>you take in, you make yourself known as like this

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>is who you donate food to, and people donate food,

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you take out the good stuff and you use that

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>to feed everyone for free at your commune, and then

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you give away the bad stuff to like a food

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>pantry or something like that. Like that's literally what it is,

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's what Nicole is doing. It's very unethical.

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 3>God, that's so horrible. Yeah, where it's just like a

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.880
<v Speaker 3>gigantic shipment of like soaking wet peb and jas.

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and you got out all the good ship. Yeah.

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I have to I have to say, like the future

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 3>sex cult having something called fill up America is so funny.

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Fill Up America.

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:38.679
<v Speaker 2>That's gross. It's really gross. You had to know that, Nicole.

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 2>This was like the year two thousand and one, Like

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>we weren't that in the fucking what.

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 3>You do fill up America? Nasty?

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>It's It says a lot about Nicole that she's like, first,

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 2>even before I know what the grift is, when I

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 2>know what the colt's going to be, before I have

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 2>any like members or any classes. We've got to have

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 2>our fake food charity so we don't have to pay

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>for groceries. Right now. Nicole starts writing her own guide

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 2>to what she called orgasmic meditation, which pulled back from

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>the multi hour sessions the welcomed consensus had worked up to.

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>She realized it was more a lot more marketable to

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 2>sell lestoral stroking as a fifteen minute meditative technique, something

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>you can plug into your morning routine without much fuss.

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.159
<v Speaker 2>She specifically says, I want this to replace coffee for

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>like young professional women in like the Bay Area and

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>stuff like, instead of your morning coffee, you have like

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 2>your morning fucking fifteen minutes.

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I do she already, I will say, basically prior other

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 3>than like she's it's a better hook than what.

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Vick is it's a way better hook.

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 3>It's much coffee with coming.

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:45.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a great genius. It's genius in a way.

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah not Hey guys, did you know my wife

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 3>could come? Should we start a business? Like she's she

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:53.439
<v Speaker 3>has learned?

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 2>And what tells you how ahead of the curve she

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 2>is is like, in like twenty sixteen, you would have

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>written this as like a joke start up right to parody,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 2>like the health and wellness culture and the body optimization

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 2>culture in the in the valley and the Bay. But

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>this is like twousand and one or two, right, she's

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>really ahead of the curve. She sees this part of

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco before. It's as much of a meme as

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a come prem yeah pre goop. Now

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 2>there is conflict arises pretty quickly between her and Carol.

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Carol is convinced that Nicole wants to make convince her

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>husband to abandon her, because that is exactly Carol what

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Nichole is trying to do.

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Carol get out of there.

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>So Carol gets pissed and she's like Rob and I

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>are leaving. We're gonna go stay in a nice place

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>in Jersey for like a couple of weeks and you

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>need to be gone when we get back. So that

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Robin Carroll fucking bounce And before they leave, Nicole is like,

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you'll regret it. Your life will be nothing but boring

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.360
<v Speaker 2>once you get back home if you leave us, and

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>that says like she leaves, her little nascent colt leaves

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and they try to find a new place to be,

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and Robin Carroll come back and they do kind of

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 2>miss the cult. They are like, oh, it is really

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 2>boring without Nicole. I'm just kind of like making money

0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>and living in like the bay. I kind of want

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to be back in a cult. It's a lot more

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>fun than my life.

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>So there's not a lot of good movies out right now. Yeah,

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 3>we'd like to read take acid and party.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we took.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 3>An prodcast and it wasn't fun.

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>We want didn't fix things.

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 4>This is two thousand and one. But is this two

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 4>thousand and one.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Or so before nine to eleven or probably after an

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.120
<v Speaker 2>leven Now I don't know, all.

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 8>Right, all right, I just want to I just want

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 8>to understand the cultural vibes of the time.

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure, So she Nicole calls Rob a few weeks you know,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>into this, and is like, hey, you guys want to

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>come over and take acid, Like we're staying at this

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>new place, why don't you all party? And like they

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 2>do when soon they're back in the group and she

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 2>eventually talks Rob into leaving his wife, and she basically

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>does it by pitching him like, look, we're going to

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 2>create this new tech savvy community of orgasm entrepreneurs, and

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>we're going to sell this technique to all of these

0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 2>like rich people in the bay and all these beauti

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>full young women in the bay. And I want you

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to be basically a human billboard. Rob, You're gonna have

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>endless access to women's bodies as you just kind of

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like help help help us afford this while we're getting

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>off the ground and Rob a grease kidd Yeah that

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Rob takes the deal ultimately does leave his wife.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to like drop myself into the experience

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 3>of someone making like telling me to my face they're

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 3>an orgasm entrepreneur.

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know that she uses that word, but

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that is what they're doing, right, They're starting an orgasm business.

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 3>And like do but I do believe that guys like

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 3>this would would feel so comfortable just letting that I'm

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 3>a bit of an orgasm entrepreneur, you could say, and

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 3>then my clitterist would just fall off right there.

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 2>So around the same time that all this is happening,

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Nicole has started gathering a cotterie of older men to

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>her right that she's at first she's going, I use

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>for money and then for like some of their knowledge

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and advice. And in all of these cases she's kind

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 2>of like you get the some of it. Times it's

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>spelled it, sometimes it's not, But she's kind of offering

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 2>up her body in some cases to these men that

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>she needs something from in order to get pieces that

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>she needs to complete this cult. And that's going to

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>be relevant because of like what she's going to do later, right,

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>But that is a that is an aspect of this

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>that's not always directly discussed. But sometimes it's even just

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>like these old guys just want to like spend time

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and feel like they're influential to this young, hot woman.

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they are getting something physical out from it.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 3>The first of these different version of the Elizabeth Holmes playbook.

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Right right right, exactly exactly my hot young ward yeah, yeah,

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>And the first of these men was the former Morehouse

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>founder Vic Baranco, who by this point was old and

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>dying and was living in Hawaii. He had just a

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>handful he basically again Morehouse still exists, but he'd kind

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>of given up and had just retreated to this like

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 2>nice place in Hawaii with a few of his closest followers,

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>right because he knows he's not going to last much

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>longer and he just wants to enjoy life. Wow, bless,

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>And she thinks that she convinces him over a couple

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>of days, and who knows what goes on to make

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>her his heir so she can take over after him

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and like move Morehouse into a new age. But that

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>was just a lie, like he was he never meant that,

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And she eventually realizes that she's been had and he

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of screwing around with her, And so

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>she leaves with her followers from the Morehouse compound and

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>they rent another place in Hawaii for a while, and

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 2>they start like planning out, like what is our what

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>are we going to do? Like what is our course

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>curriculum going to be? And they start writing out obviously

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>taking these ideas from Warhouse and the Welcome consensus and

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>throwing in some of their own, mostly Nicole's and they're

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 2>putting stuff together. They move back to San Francisco, where

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>they meet the next of these older guys, who's a

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>forty five year old former musician named Don Mary's his

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>longtime girlfriend had recently died from some sort of cancer,

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and Don is just deeply depressed. He's certainly not a

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>rich guy, but he's got a house of his own,

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and he's got some amount of money, and they really

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>just need a place right. Nicole had known him when

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>she was in her early twenties and had been partying

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and doing a lot of drugs, and you know, he's

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a musician, so they'd kind of known each other, and

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>she latched onto him like ten or so years ago,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>even though he was a lot older. And he'd avoid

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>getting entangled with her then because a friend of us

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>had told him quote, she's a monster. But she shows

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>up a decade later. He's really lonely and sad, and

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>she's like, Hey, we're doing this like fun thing. We're

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>going to start an orgasm business. Can we like do

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>it in your house? And he's like, okay, I guess

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>why not?

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Cool? Cool?

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't critically, I said, she doesn't say it's an

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>orgasm business. We're doing like a self help thing, and

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>we're going to come up with like a new training

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>program to sell people and start a business. Can we

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>do it in your house?

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 6>Right?

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 3>And orgasms are what they're like the zenu of the operation,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.040
<v Speaker 3>like yes, oh, yes, by the way.

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>You have to Don, Yeah, Don's gonna have to wait

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>to learn the orgasms or what this is all about.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So while he's out working because he's still like a

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>handyman or something, Nicole and her friends are at his

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>house writing courses on argasmic meditation and platoral stroking. Don

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>is kind of only dimly aware of, like literally what

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.479
<v Speaker 2>they're doing. He's mostly just happy to not be lonely,

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it kind of seems like to me. And he starts

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>to become aware that, like whatever they're doing during the day,

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Nicole seems to be flirting with him, and Don is

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a smart enough guy to know, like, well, that can't

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>be genuine, Like I know, like I'm I'm way over

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the hill. I don't feel good anymore, like this is

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>she's got to have an angle in this.

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm grieving like yeah, yeah.

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>So one day she tells Don is in the room,

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>but Nicole is talking to Rob, and Nicole tells Rob,

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I should may read Don. I think that would be

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>really good for the group if I married Don. And

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't even say this to Don and they went

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>up taking acid later, and he kind of gets pissed

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>about this because again he's grieving, and he's like, you

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't joke about stuff like that, and he like kind

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of leaves for a while, but he comes back and

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>she keeps pushing him to spend more time with them

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and to party with them and kind of flirting with

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>him more, and even after they eventually leave his place

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>because Rob gets a new place near San Francisco and

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>she's like, Don, why don't you come with us and

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>stay for a few days. And he's like, I know

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>something's going on here. I know this isn't on the

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>up and up, but I am old and sad and

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to take drugs with this hot

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 2>young lady and her orgasmical what might be an orgasmical?

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 3>He's going through a hard time.

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, She applies Don with LSD and he winds up

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>spending like more than like weeks there, and her followers

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>pitch him on what they'd started calling the Institute of

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Monastic Understanding. They like because the acronym is I am

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>you right, Oh yeah, there you're seeing you Nope. Yeah.

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So their food charity is in full swing by this point,

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and they start recruiting people who volunteered to help them

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 2>bag and distribute groceries right to join the cult. These

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>people are here about the orgasms. Don still is not.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>People come and go from the property, including Don's cousin, William,

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>who Donald calls Will up and Will comes down for

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.760
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks and he writes a fictional book about

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>his time there and about like falling in love with

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 2>these like LSD cultists, and he would includes some lines

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>from it in her book. And this Don's cousin's writings

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 2>give a pretty compelling glimpse inside the minds of these

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>older men that she's bringing in and like, because this

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 2>is going to be relevant the whole growth of this cult.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 2>This is what's always going on in the dude's heads quote.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Think of it, the endless excellent sex, the lively intellectual conversation,

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the intense tripping, all the new people I was meeting,

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and just the entire unknown adventure of it all, and

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>this community. More happened in a week every week than

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>what happened in three months back in the old world,

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.240
<v Speaker 2>my other life, that place when I had an American

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Express card a lifetime ago. Right, Well, don't you even

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>have to think about money or work. It could just

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 2>take drugs and have sex. Yeah.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Right. But then also, priz that I feel so so

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 3>like crucial to these kinds of grips is to not

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 3>make it just sound like what it is. Just like, yeah,

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 3>drugs and sex and the illusion of power and access

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 3>and all this stuff, and being like this is a

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 3>spiritual mission and you're doing the bust at it.

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that is what I got out of the

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>events I used to go to as a young person

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 2>because they were that they were totally honest. It was like, no, no,

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>for like five days, we're gonna do drugs and have

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of weird sex, and there will be a

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>bunch of art and music to dance too. But then

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>we then you go home, then you go back your

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 2>life and it's cr and then you go home.

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 3>And if you have a nice time, that's great, but

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 3>it does not make your God.

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>You do, but you're not God, and you haven't figured

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>out the universe. You've just learned that doing drugs and

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking for five days with your friends can be a

0:35:55.360 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 2>pretty good time, which, like you knew already before you

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 2>did it.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you disinfected those cuts from the glass that

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>was falling from the ceiling, Oh say glass cuts.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Whoever got hurt by glass other than the people? So

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Don agrees eventually to marry Nicole, knowing it's a bad idea,

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and Nicole admits to him at this point after he says,

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>let's get married, She's like, by the way, this whole

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 2>thing is all about orgasms, this is an orgasm cult

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that we're doing, and he is. He's initially pissed, but

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>at this point he's agreed to marry her. Right, so

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 2>he forgives her and they have a weird wedding where

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>she kind of ignores him until they're married, and then

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>she tells him she turns him, and she says, actually,

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>you've just married everyone in this room and it's all

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>of the other cult members. Horrible time for Don and

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>her followers jokingly make Donn a shirt that says indignant

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>man kidnapped by love colt like a like a fake

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 2>headline as a joke that I love, Like they are

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>really poor, like don is he's getting sucked with. But

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>so they were just saying, what was happening, man, Like

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 3>It's like at some point, well I don't I don't

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 3>even know. This guy can't catch a break and they're

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 3>caullying him.

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>And they're bullying him, and I think his attitude is

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like I bought the ticket, I took the ride,

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's not the ultimate victim. His story

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>is just very funny to me.

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just like at some point it just gets

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 3>weird where he's like, well, yeah, it's just like someone

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 3>acting like they're wearing handcuffs when it's like, no, man,

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 3>you own the house.

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 2>This is your house.

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you are not trapped here. He's like, well, there's

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 3>nothing I could do.

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So the group, still going by IMU, starts offering courses

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>for money, and so for the first time, people start

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 2>paying them and attending. But they're not a lot of people.

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>This is not a big group yet, and they're not

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>teaching orgasm at first. In these classes, they're not doing

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the stroking or anything of that. Instead, they're teaching Nicole's philosophy,

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 2>which is a bunch of warmed over bullshit from like

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the last century, and basically, like basically

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Nicolls that it is like life has no inherent meaning

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.840
<v Speaker 2>other than the one that you give it, which sounds

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>like it could be fine. Right. People take that in

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>healthy ways. This is often the case of Nicole stuff.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 2>There's a way you can interpret that healthily. But what

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Nicole means by that is that if you have a

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>bad experience, that's because you're choosing to frame the thing

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 2>that happened to you is a bad thing, and you

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do that. And the point that she

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>will tell in these in these classes to illustrate what

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>she's saying is that, you know, when I was a child,

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I used to think that my father had molested me.

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 2>But now that I'm a mature adult and I've done

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work and gone through all of the

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>coursework and stuff on this, I know now I seduced

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.720
<v Speaker 2>my father. I was the one with powers. So she's just.

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Teaching SHARV like that's yeah, yeah, yeah, that is that's okay, okay,

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 3>because that's very upset. Yeah, it's really, I mean, especially

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 3>because it's upsetting yeah, because you're like, I mean, it's

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 3>like the VOT. You gotta feel for her that it's like,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>if she does believe it, that's really tragic and.

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Really fucked up. Yeah, that I think. I don't think

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 2>that she. I think this is maybe she believes or not,

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>but I think this is consciously she's doing this because

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>she knows what she's going to be doing to the

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>people who are her followers, right, and she wants this

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.240
<v Speaker 2>is a really good thing to convince everyone to believe

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>at the baseline before you start doing the other shit.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>She's going to do that. If you think something's bad,

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:37.839
<v Speaker 2>it's because you're interpreting it as bad.

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 3>It's like a grouping tactic, like you've just taken a

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 3>course on why everything that's about to happen to you

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 3>is actually okay.

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 2>It's fine, is good? Yes, uh yeah, And obviously that

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>that really like sends a message to her followers. Early

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>on in two thousand and three, after Carol leaves and

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Don marries Nicole, Nicole brings a new guy in to

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the fold, a new old guy. This is Ray Vetterling.

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Ray Vetterlin had been a protege a vic at Moore

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>at the Moorhouse thing, and he he was like the

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>almost famous version of a cult leader. Like he'd been

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty big in Morehouse. He'd done some cult stuff of

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 2>his own, but it had never really taken off. He'd

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 2>like done, he'd made some money, he'd done okay, But

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 2>now to industry, he's a working cult leader. Ray is right,

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>you take.

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.959
<v Speaker 3>It personally, man, it couldn't.

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Time, yeah, exactly. Yeah, But Ray knows the business right.

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Ray knows if you're going to start a cult, here's

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the things you want to do, here's how you build

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 2>the curriculum that you're going to sell, and all this stuff.

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 2>And so she brings him in and he writes down

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of his best tips and tricks, and he

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>helps her kind of plan the cult. She's going to

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>start from the ground up. And this is kind of

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a situation where Ray is both going to get physical

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>access into Cole's body. He's going to be doing all

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.839
<v Speaker 2>of these physical orgasm demonstrations where he's like stroking her.

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>But he also he gets to like he gets to

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of live through her because she is young enough

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and has enough energy to start a successful cult and

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't anymore. And I think that's a big part

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>of it for Ray, Right, so he writes out a

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.879
<v Speaker 2>document for her laying out how this orgasm cult ought

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 2>to function per the book Empire of Orgasm quote, some

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>of the lessons were nothing bolts. Practical teachers should be

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in couples, ideally in their early thirties, big enough that

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty year old students won't see them as mom and

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 2>dad making out. Host a law a day long intro

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>course twice a month, he said, and use a short

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 2>demo of a woman in orgasm at the end of

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the class as a safe showstopper, a format that one

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 2>taste that's her later cult would employ for more than

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a decade. The minute one woman sees another woman getting

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 2>off like that, they want to be there too, Ray wrote, Right,

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>So they spell this out all very directly, and his

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>pitch to her as to like why this is going

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>to work is that more House had failed because it

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.720
<v Speaker 2>was too patriarchal, It was too trapped in the seventies

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 2>and eight eighties. Right, People today didn't want to hear

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 2>like a fucking dude with a mustache talk about how

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>much he's getting laid. They want the illusion at least

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to feminism and gender equality, and they want to be

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>told that what they're doing isn't it just because they're horny,

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>It's because it's going to optimize their health. It's going

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>to make them more powerful. It's going to make you smarter,

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna make you faster, it's going to make you

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>better able to compete in the cutthroat tech industry. Right.

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 3>That is such a like it's it's the same sexual crime,

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 3>but being positioned by a woman who claims this will

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 3>optimize you.

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Let will optimize you're eating their drinking the right juice. Yeah, yeah,

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>super funny.

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's like that is even though it is

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.800
<v Speaker 3>funny and a great pitch replacing, Like it's so Silicon

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Valley brain to be like, I come instead of drink

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 3>coffee and it saves me time and it actually releases

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 3>more chemicals.

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 2>It's me eight minutes a day. Right, Yeah, emails I've

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 2>sent it's the same as the AI thing, really, right,

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>any more emails I send than everyone else. I'm productive.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 3>They all they like, they're all in a language I

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 3>don't speak, but they send it. And that's what matters.

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what that's all that matters in business. Ray has

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>in this document, He writes, he has a line that

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorite things from this. Since we

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 2>are not yet selling the god hustle, what do we do?

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 2>What we have to sell is an organically healthy lifestyle

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>with sensuality and intimacy. Ray's really good at this. Like,

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Ray's honestly a great mind in the in the con business.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Wow, you know.

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Who else is a great mind when it comes to

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>conning people?

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 6>You?

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the sponsors of this podcast and we're back.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>So Ray wrote that anyone showing up to their classes

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 2>was by definition missing something right. This is like, because

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>this is something Nicole knows a lot of this, but

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Ray's kind of writing out all of his lessons and

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.839
<v Speaker 2>one thing he writes that anyone's going to show up

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>to like an optimize your Life fucking Orgasm class is

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>missing something right. They don't have everything they need. They're

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>not fully happy, otherwise they wouldn't be here. And the

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 2>one thing that Americans are more likely to miss than

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 2>anything else is intimacy. Right, So if you can create

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>situations that fake very sudden, very intense intimacy with a

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 2>large number of hot people, you can make a fuck

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 2>load of money because people will get addicted to that,

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and they'll pay any amount of money to keep being

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 2>around it. And all you have to do is be

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 2>brutally honest about what they're doing wrong, at which point

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 2>they'll listen to whatever you tell them is the right

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 2>way to do things right, because they want to stay there.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 2>They want to keep having these experiences, they want to

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 2>keep feeling that they're having revelations and stuff because they're

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 2>just doing things that feel good for their body and

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 2>that's nice, and people can't accept that. People can't just

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>accept that, like, oh maybe I like having sex and

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 2>like a fucking weird group situation, which is a perfectly

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>fine thing for people to do if that's what gets

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 2>you off. But they can't just accept this feels good.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 2>It has to be opt amising me. This has to

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 2>be unlocking a secret hack in my brain. Otherwise it's

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 2>a waste of time because I won't make more money

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 2>at Apple right.

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 3>And literally thing and it's like going back to the

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 3>fucking twelfth century is like this, This woman orgasming has to

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 3>have some sort of like crucial productive function where it

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 3>just nothing can just feel good.

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's really what drew me in to like

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the fucking events that I like, these little burn events

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>that I went to was like the whole the whole

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>pitch was like, you know what sucks capitalism? You know,

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't suck doing drugs with your friends in the woods,

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Like where's that? Like the hedonism is important?

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Where's the this shit sucks?

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.439
<v Speaker 2>They had that back in more House, but it got

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 2>really again, if there's also a guy that.

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 3>For the experience, Yeah, that's.

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 2>The other important thing is that. And there's not like

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a guy, Like it's just a bunch of people hanging out,

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Like no one's getting rich off of this. Like as

0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>soon as there's a guy, and as soon as you're

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>paying thousands of dollars, like things get very quickly problematic.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And but but if you're paying thousands of dollars, then

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 2>it can't just be something that feels good, because like,

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.279
<v Speaker 2>actually feeling good can be really cheap. I get like

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I had to sit on the couch like with my

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 2>partner and we both have a really like feel really nice,

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 2>like watching a movie. But nobody makes money off of that.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.800
<v Speaker 2>You can't tell a fucking yeah, they can be worth anything.

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 3>They have a meeting at the beginning of every day

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 3>do not tell people they can just comm at their house.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Do not tell them.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Don't tell people that. Don't let them know they can

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:35.240
<v Speaker 2>just actually find love and companionship without like paying money,

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 2>because that you can just start.

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 3>A conversation with someone and see what happens. Don't tell

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 3>them that shit.

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Don't let them know. Don't let them know. So Don

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and Nicole and their little group are living at Ray's

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>place at this point, right, they moved into Ray's house,

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're helping Nicole explore how to make her They're

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 2>basically prepping. They're they're going to be doing these public

0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>organism demos, and they're they're they're training, right, They're doing

0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>they're like preparing for like these marathon public orgasm sessions, right,

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>And this means that Nicole every day is lying down

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in a room full of mirrors while Don and Ray

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and Rai's in his seventies masturbate her at the same time.

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And Ray is supposed to be kind of like teaching

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Don how to do it, because the idea initially is

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that Don will do this because he's her husband in

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the actual like public classes, and Nicole is she's not,

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's she's having these with a lot of

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>her followers, like they're all practicing these masturbation techniques. And

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Nicole is keeping a blog in which she writes about

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 2>her experiences in lurid detail, and this is gonna give

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you an idea of like how she's because she you

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>can't ever talk about it like sex. You should never

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 2>describe the sexual sensations or what you're seeing or doing

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in a sexual manner. You don't want it to be hot.

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 2>You want it to sound like a fucking poem or something,

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 2>right like, because that makes it not gross. So for

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>an example that here's one description that Nicole wrote about

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>how it felt to be masturbated by Ray, this elderly

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>cult leader. The laughter welled and weld inside of me.

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I became swollen with laughter, and then like champagne pouring

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>over the sides of the bottle, tears began to flood me.

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Right And again, the key here is that there's nothing

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 2>about sex in there right that makes it seem profound

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and also marketable.

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Some Lna del rey ass I was like, like, whatever,

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 3>writing sex poetry is fine, but if that's like a

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.720
<v Speaker 3>hard rule, then it starts to feel kind of like dissociative.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 2>But also that makes it feel very different from these

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>prior cults. There's no guys going and this is so hot,

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>isn't it? Like because they're not they're being like no,

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like champagne pulling over the sides of a bottle.

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It just feels more intellectual and thus safe, right, right,

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 2>that's the basic idea, And part of the idea here

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 2>is that like, while she's being stroked for an audience,

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 2>she'll call in like people to put her hands, their

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>hands on her and describe how they felt. And the

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 2>idea is that like this is such a like a

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 2>powerful spiritual thing that like everybody is affected by it

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.359
<v Speaker 2>in the room right, and gets everyone to buy into it,

0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:04.720
<v Speaker 2>and it makes them feel connected and included and helps

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.959
<v Speaker 2>make it an addictive experience. Soon she's got like twenty

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>or so followers, but she's not making money off of this,

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and she feels like the group is incomplete until one

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 2>day Ray is like, hey, Don's not working for like

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the sex demo stuff. Nobody's gonna want to watch Don

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.319
<v Speaker 2>do this. I think you should bring Irwan back because

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Irwan's hot and he's really good at doing these these demos.

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Don cannot you should bring him in, Ray fucking Don.

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 3>He's so fired from the manipulative sex local theater truths.

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>So sad and Don he's growing increasingly disillusioned. He hears

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 2>over what one day he overhears Ray and Erewan talking

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>because she brings an erawon and Ray and Erewan called

0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Donn a throwaway person.

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, in there is like a Eugene Levy invest in

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 3>show quality to Don.

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 2>To me, he's just like, it's really funny. Gene Levy

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.479
<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago would have been the guy to cast

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:02.919
<v Speaker 2>for Done.

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 3>For Don be like, hey, so oh, you're really bringing

0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 3>down the vibe at the sex cal.

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Done. So Don flips out and Don leaves. Nicole divorces him,

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and by the time she and Erwan do their first

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 2>public demo in front of an audience of forty, he

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 2>is all but forgotten. This first public Don good for you,

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Bye Don, Bye Don. This first public like stroking demo

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.280
<v Speaker 2>happens in August of two thousand and three. He wits

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.439
<v Speaker 2>book describes the scene and detail and I don't feel

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the need to tell you what Irwan did to this

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 2>woman's vulva step by step. I appreciate that Ellen does.

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Her book is very good. You learn a lot about

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 2>this group and exactly what they're doing. We don't need

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to talk about that. You get the idea, right. What's

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 2>important is what he tells the audience after Nicole has

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>a massive, shuddering, hour long orgasm in front of a crowd. Quote,

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it's pure euphoria. You can have as much of that

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>sensation as you like. You can feel it in your

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>body as much as you want. If she can do this,

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>so can you. And then he invites audience members up

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.760
<v Speaker 2>to touch Nicole and this works like gangbusters. Right. People

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>love this, They tell their friends. Soon more folks are

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 2>signing up to go watch the orgasm class right.

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Doing like a horny Arena Abramovic thing. It just feels

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 3>like it's like a it's like a performance art thing.

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.720
<v Speaker 8>It's yeah yeah, And he's like the made treaty. He's

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 8>the he's the you know, guy with the microphone.

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 4>Y come first, come all.

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's gonna be a problem, right, because Nicole she

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 2>got into this to be the one, right, she's the

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:47.319
<v Speaker 2>cult leader. If Airwan is like the star of the show,

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:51.239
<v Speaker 2>because he's actually doing the demonstration and talking and she's

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.399
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like mutely, not mutely, but like she's

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>not making like she's not speaking. She's she's supposed to

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 2>be having an orgasm, right, She's kind of a secondary

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>figure in the demo that is not going to work

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:04.240
<v Speaker 2>for Nicole.

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 4>One she has details to add here is that this

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 4>man's name is definitely Irwin, but Robert.

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 8>Keeps calling him arrow on like the grocery and I

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 8>E R W A N. And I've been enjoying it

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 8>the entire time, but I think, but I think we're

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 8>about I think we're about the last of this man,

0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 8>and I wanted to get it in.

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>We're not going everyone's not gonna be around all that

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 2>much longer because Nicole Nicole is basically as soon as

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 2>this first demo goes the way it does, Nicole has

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 2>like a team meeting, like a cult meeting, and she's like,

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>you guys got to choose him or me, Like she

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>has enough, She's got the instincts where she's like, if

0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I let this get established is the way we do things,

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be the cult leader, right, and I

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>don't want that. That's not okay.

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 3>This is such a Silicon Valley approach to cult leading.

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>It's it is a wild very much. This is like

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>meeting ship. Yeah, it's the PayPal mafia with weird orgasm

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking teachings.

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.959
<v Speaker 3>So he's nuked, he's gone.

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 2>He's nuked. Yeah, the colt picks Nicole. Nicole wins, and

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>one leaves the picture. Irwin whatever you want to call him.

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Ray is kicked out, Irwin, whatever your prices are high,

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 3>great produce.

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, and uh Ray gets kicked out right after that,

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>not long after that, because Nicole no longer needs any

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>old men like hanging around the right. She's figured things out. Yeah,

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the Grift is now ready. This is a fully operational

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>battle station. The Grift is now ready for the prime time.

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 4>Farewell of You're sorry. I just like that. She's kicking

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:45.280
<v Speaker 4>out all these.

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 3>So far.

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In March of two thousand and four, Nicole finally

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 2>settles on a name for what they were doing. One taste.

0:53:58.160 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>It was taken from the title of a book by

0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a philosopher and attributed to a statement by the Buddha.

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Just as the great ocean has one taste, the taste

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 2>of salt, so also this teaching and discipline has one

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:12.200
<v Speaker 2>taste the taste of liberation. Yes, one taste, the taste

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>of liberation. He's talking about that Budda talking about I

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 2>guess Buddhism. Oh yeah, but she's like one taste. When

0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you have one taste, not pussy. Yeah, they're not doing that, Jamie.

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But when you have one taste of the life we

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 2>offer you, you'll never want anything else for yourself, right,

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:30.680
<v Speaker 2>That's how it's supposed to feel, you know. So. On

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 2>July thirtieth, two thousand and fourth, the One Taste Urban

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Retreat Center opened in San Francisco's Fulsome Street, which is

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.719
<v Speaker 2>probably the most sex positive neighborhood in the US at

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the time. There's a big street fair on Fulsome that's

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of leather daddies and like some really

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.359
<v Speaker 2>depraved public sex acts. If you really want to see

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.480
<v Speaker 2>some shit, go to the Fulsome Street parade.

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 3>San Francisco in the two thousands is still like kind

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 3>of hanging on to.

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Still pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:56.479
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Nicole and her followers ran there orgasm demos there,

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>but they also like this is like a big warehouse basically,

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and they've got like several different businesses that they operate

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 2>out of it. They've got a yoga studio, they've got

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 2>a massage parlor, they've got like a cafe that sells

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 2>fucking frozen yogurt because it's two thousand and four, and

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>they're also hosting workshops, not just the orgasm stuff, but

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>they've got some very Bay friendly subjects like conscious cuddling

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 2>right where again it's and you get a lot of like, oh,

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 2>people think you have to pay to like cuddle with

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.839
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people because they don't know they don't

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 2>have any community. Like that's a bummer. Again, that stuff

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 2>was just free. When I was younger, we didn't have

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to pay to fucking do a workshop next to a

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 2>fro yo stand. So the orgasm stuff was kooky and

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.359
<v Speaker 2>out there, but for the most part they blended into

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>the scenery of San Francisco. At that time, One Taste

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>was a business, and her cult members are also all employees,

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 2>although they are not receiving regular or sufficient Bay for

0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:01.439
<v Speaker 2>the fourteen hour days that they're putting in Valley. Paid

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 2>an experience, paid an experience baby.

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:08.320
<v Speaker 4>Since you mentioned froyo, it does One Taste does sound

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 4>like a bink berry.

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 2>It would be funny if they hadn't become a criminal cult,

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>which is where this ends, and it had just pivoted

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 2>hard into fro Yo. I was just explaining the origins

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 2>of a popular frozen yogurt company.

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.920
<v Speaker 3>It was just like, wait, so we just realized Froyo

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 3>is where the money is. So we're dropping the sex call.

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>We'rep It's like if you were looking up like the

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 2>marble slab creamer, like, oh, they used to fuck on

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the slab. I didn't guess that. I guess the ice

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:41.879
<v Speaker 2>cream was a better business. Yeah. McDonald's just to used

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to just be a guy named McDonald in a bedroom.

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 2>But then he started serving burgers, and you know, one

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:51.760
<v Speaker 2>thing led to another. So morehouse starts having weekly sessions

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.719
<v Speaker 2>where though again they're playing communication games to draw in

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the normies.

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:55.880
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Instead of calling it the mark group or the benchmark group,

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>she called this the in group, a term which I

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 2>think deeply revealing to the social dynamics that are at

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 2>play here. Because most people, most of us, weren't cool

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 2>at high school or at any of the schools that

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:11.759
<v Speaker 2>we went to. And some people grow up and they

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 2>enter the wide world and they find their place in it,

0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and we forget that we ever wanted strangers to think

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 2>that we were cool. Other people don't get over that,

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and they particularly never get over a lot of men

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 2>never get over seeing like the cool hot guys at

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 2>their high school hang out with the cool hot girls

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 2>who didn't know they existed, right, that like eats at

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 2>them the remainder of their lives. And so that's why

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 2>she's calling it the in group, right, is it's kind

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 2>of to be like, you're one of the cool kids

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're hanging out with us, right, Like you're one

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of the cool kids if you pay for our classes.

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 2>This is how to be that because we're having lots

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 2>of fun, experimental, weird sex. Now, it would be very

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>unfair of me, I should I should note just to

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.680
<v Speaker 2>say that, to talk about because I've largely been talking

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.320
<v Speaker 2>about what is drawing like these men, particularly these men

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 2>with money into this group, right, what is bringing them in?

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And it'd be really unfair of me to say that

0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and not talk about what the women who are joining

0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the cult are getting out of this because most of

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the cult leaders I think are women or cult members

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.720
<v Speaker 2>are women, right, and they're women of all ages. They

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>are really heavily recruiting younger women, but there are women

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 2>who are in their forties and fifties who are joining too,

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and so it's important, like what are how is Nicole

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 2>reaching them? Because I can understand the marketing to middle

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>aged men thing, right, but I don't know, like what's

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 2>drawing these because it seems like a lot of vulnerability,

0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of putting your body on display, a lot

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 2>of like risk and anyway, I looked into a bunch

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 2>of like their advertising videos and I found some of

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 2>those that I think make that a little easier to understand.

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Sophie's going to play a video for you called Overcoming

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Depression through Orgasmic Meditation, and it shows one example of

0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 2>how the cult sold themselves to women.

0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:51.160
<v Speaker 7>Yes, I didn't know another way of being Like I

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 7>was like, oh, everybody has this, everybody has these thoughts

0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 7>and feelings, but you have to keep them hitting.

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.320
<v Speaker 5>When I see how people are treated for depression, now

0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 5>it breaks my heart. The very last thing you need

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 5>is a diagnosis that comes onto you like an additional sentence,

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 5>because most people who are depressed feel guilty.

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 7>My whole life, I struggled with depression. I never felt

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 7>a lot of joy like I didn't have a big

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 7>range of emotions above sadness. I'd come home from work

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 7>and lay on the couch. I would drink, I would sleep,

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.600
<v Speaker 7>take sinking feels, to anything to make the thoughts in

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 7>my mind stop and to not have to feel what

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 7>I was feeling, I'd take an anidepressance. You know, many anidepressants,

0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 7>many anti anxiety medications, and the best they did was

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 7>just numb the feelings a little bit. The thoughts were

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.560
<v Speaker 7>still there, the doubt, the fear, the lack of joy

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 7>or happiness was still there. So it didn't seem like

0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 7>those provided me with a solution. I wanted to actually

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 7>have a full of the full life that I wanted

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:00.960
<v Speaker 7>to live.

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<v Speaker 5>What is aimed to heal them in their depression actually

1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:10.680
<v Speaker 5>just numbs them and has them feel that much more

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:12.560
<v Speaker 5>disconnected from life.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, first off, you see the pitch, are you

1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 2>depressed and sad? We have an answer. Boy. Medication isn't

1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 2>always pleasant, and it kind of the diagnosis can feel

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>like an anchor. There's a lot of anti medical stuff

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in that video, right, and she describes that like many

1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.480
<v Speaker 2>people are have like suffer both from the disc It's

1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>not just depression, is suffering people suffer, sure, but then

1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:38.480
<v Speaker 2>when you get on the drugs, it disconnects them and

1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.520
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of suffering too, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's like I it's it's very new agey

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<v Speaker 3>bullshit and like trying to separate you from potential tools.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I don't know. I targeting women in their

1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.600
<v Speaker 3>forties and fifties is interesting to me because I'm wondering

1:00:56.600 --> 1:01:01.320
<v Speaker 3>if if it's connected to possibly you know, when women

1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.720
<v Speaker 3>hit midlife, they're treated like they don't exist as sexual

1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:08.479
<v Speaker 3>beings and that that's like not something that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so well, and especially older women in this

1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:14.800
<v Speaker 2>period would have grown up in a time that was

1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:18.240
<v Speaker 2>even more sexually restricted, right, and people are starting to

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.640
<v Speaker 2>talk openly. That's kind of part of why like people

1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.800
<v Speaker 2>are so affected by this. Is like, if you're someone

1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.160
<v Speaker 2>in that situation and you like lay down and there's

1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:28.800
<v Speaker 2>like this hot young guy who like tells you, like

1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:31.360
<v Speaker 2>looks at you and tells you you're beautiful and then

1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.440
<v Speaker 2>starts massaging you like that, I'm not surprised a lot

1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.479
<v Speaker 2>of people get very addicted to that and they're like, yeah,

1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:40.200
<v Speaker 2>this did more for my depression than than therapy was doing. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>They would feel like that in the moment, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it get wrapped up in a cult that causes much

1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.200
<v Speaker 2>much more damage. But it's just the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way that they're targeting people is very particular. That that

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<v Speaker 3>was a freaky ad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really it's about to get freakier because Sophie's gonna play.

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<v Speaker 2>You continue playing that, but from can you play? From

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<v Speaker 2>one thirty two to seven from the same video Sophie.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you. Many have turned successfully to her gasmic meditation

1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:10.160
<v Speaker 6>and attention, a training practice with defined procedures in own

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<v Speaker 6>a partner strokes a woman's clutteress for fifteen minutes with

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<v Speaker 6>no other goal than to feel what is present in

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<v Speaker 6>the moment.

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<v Speaker 8>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 3>They did her dirty in that edit. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is a bummer. Yeah, it is a

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<v Speaker 2>little it's a it is a bummer. Yeah, it's depressing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now a big thing that Nicole is doing here. She's

1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.320
<v Speaker 2>recruiting and stocking her events with a lot of attractive

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<v Speaker 2>young women and some attractive young men, but most of

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<v Speaker 2>the guys in the group are like closer to or

1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:50.920
<v Speaker 2>past middle age. And when those other dudes saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>like the guys who were in the cult, giving clatoral

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<v Speaker 2>massages to twenty two year olds who are also like

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<v Speaker 2>in the cult or like just playing card games and

1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.200
<v Speaker 2>laughing like close friends with these same girls. Their brains

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<v Speaker 2>go right back to the eleventh grade, right only now

1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Nicole is there with an offer, which is pay me

1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:07.720
<v Speaker 2>for classes and you get to be in the end group,

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<v Speaker 2>right right, and they're you know, that's kind of part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, is like, yeah, you get to be cool

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<v Speaker 2>and you get to have this these new cool friends

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<v Speaker 2>who are all like free with each other's bodies, with

1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.160
<v Speaker 2>each other, and people are just so fucking lonely, Like

1:03:18.200 --> 1:03:23.080
<v Speaker 2>this is very appealing to some folks, right, It's a bummer.

1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.560
<v Speaker 3>It's not. It's it is really sad, and I know

1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:30.720
<v Speaker 3>it's like not necessary. It does feel like very American

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<v Speaker 3>to like monetize the idea of community like this, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just like whatever, hyper hyper target people who

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<v Speaker 3>are made invisible by the culture they're in and be

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<v Speaker 3>and being like Okay, you're seen, now, you're valid, you're attractive,

1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:51.920
<v Speaker 3>you're loved. That'll be five thousand dollars and then call

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<v Speaker 3>that unity. It's just like yeah, and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big thing Nicole is doing because when she's like recruiting,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the younger people who are going to like be

1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:06.439
<v Speaker 2>like doing most of the work in this is she's

1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.600
<v Speaker 2>a bit older than them, but she seems like she

1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:11.520
<v Speaker 2>has her life together. She seems like she has an identity.

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<v Speaker 2>She's offering an identity. And all you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>is like a whole bunch of plaittoral massages and sometimes

1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:19.280
<v Speaker 2>open yourself sexually to a bunch of like weird older

1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:21.640
<v Speaker 2>men who are giving the cult money. And this kind

1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>of in this period makes the transition from previously to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get the things the cult needed. Nicole that

1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:30.640
<v Speaker 2>add to either sleep with directly or at least like

1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:34.040
<v Speaker 2>offer pieces of herself up to these like older and

1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:37.000
<v Speaker 2>wealthier men that she needed something from. Now the cult

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<v Speaker 2>is established increasingly, what she's going to do is these

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<v Speaker 2>younger women and some of the younger men she's bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in because she does abuse a lot of younger men

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<v Speaker 2>this way. Now, hey, the group needs you to have

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<v Speaker 2>sex with this person because they will spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money if you do that. Right, That's the route

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<v Speaker 2>this goes on is from I am going to make

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<v Speaker 2>that choice for myself to I am going to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of convince other people to make that choice to make

1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:04.360
<v Speaker 2>me money. Right, That's the journey Nicole has gone on

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<v Speaker 2>in this story thus far. So one of her big

1:05:09.200 --> 1:05:12.080
<v Speaker 2>teachings that she's because in addition to the orgasm stuff,

1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:16.040
<v Speaker 2>there's always way more convoluted philosophical stuff. And she's teaching

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<v Speaker 2>her followers life is a game, and it should be

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<v Speaker 2>viewed as a game. And in a game, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to explore all the nooks and crannies and try everything

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<v Speaker 2>to solve different kinds of puzzles, right, or find power

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<v Speaker 2>ups or whatever. And so when she would ask a

1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:31.960
<v Speaker 2>member to own or to have sex with somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't find attractive, that's a game. Oh you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like this like rich, older dude who's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>weird and lecherous to you, Well, it'll be a game

1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:42.280
<v Speaker 2>for you to figure out how to have fun, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's the game. Like when what yeah, like exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>And she'll do this will be very directly. When wealthy

1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:51.800
<v Speaker 2>men or women will like walk into a one Taste

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<v Speaker 2>event and Nicole will notice that they're like attracted to

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<v Speaker 2>her hitting on a specific member of the cult, she'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell that person go flirt with them, right, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to have sex with them right away, but

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<v Speaker 2>convince them to like take a class to sign up.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll get to hang out with you, and she'll put

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<v Speaker 2>She'll give some of our followers free your discounted classes

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure they're in the same class as like

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<v Speaker 2>these dudes who were joining because they never know. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the cult is pretty there's a lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>in it, but most of the people paying for classes

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<v Speaker 2>are paying to get physical access to the bodies of

1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the younger female cult members, and there's not enough women

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<v Speaker 2>paying for classes for like that. Like Nicole has to

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<v Speaker 2>constantly putting people in and that's just prostitution, right, go

1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in and they will pay money to touch you right right.

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<v Speaker 3>But it sounds like what if there was a model

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<v Speaker 3>for sex work in which only Nicole was making money

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<v Speaker 3>makes money, Like that's not how that works, and that

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<v Speaker 3>no one has technically consented to be doing this sex work.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Now, a big part of the game is to

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<v Speaker 2>keep people talking about one taste, you know, hype and

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<v Speaker 2>a lure spread by word of mouth, and so Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>starts offering because they've got this yoga center, they offer

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<v Speaker 2>naked yoga classes which get newspapers. There's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>stories about it, you know, like it becomes like this

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<v Speaker 2>oh San Francisco sort of thing, right it he helps

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<v Speaker 2>drive more people to the business. Maybe they come in

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<v Speaker 2>to see the naked yoga class, but they find out

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<v Speaker 2>or gasmic meditation. What's that, right, and so they take

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<v Speaker 2>a class. Now, as you've probably heard by now, they're

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<v Speaker 2>referring to ohm orgasmic more meditation. They're pronouncing it ohm

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, the ohm right, the meditative you know

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<v Speaker 2>chant thing. At the same time, they have turned the

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<v Speaker 2>actual like clatoral stimulation massage thing into this almost sexless procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>In one of the ten books the group would publish

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<v Speaker 2>under Nicole's name, she described orgasmic meditation as quote a

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<v Speaker 2>structured attention training practice described in concrete terms as one

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<v Speaker 2>person stroking another's clitterist for fifteen minutes according to specific instructions,

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<v Speaker 2>and that language which works really well in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>getting newspapers and other media organizations to treat one taste

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<v Speaker 2>very differently than they treated more House or the Welcomed Consensus,

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<v Speaker 2>both of which were described accurately as creepy, weird sex

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<v Speaker 2>clubs for perverts. One taste is going to be treated

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<v Speaker 2>like a startup right, or at least like a massively

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<v Speaker 2>popular alt health practice. And to kind of make that point,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a segment from a two thousand and nine New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times article by Patricia Ley Brown and Carol Pogish. Quote,

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<v Speaker 2>at seven am each day, as the rest of America

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<v Speaker 2>is eating cheerios or trying to face gridlock without hyperventilating,

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<v Speaker 2>about a dozen women, naked from the waist down, lie

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<v Speaker 2>with eyes closed in a velvet curtained room while clothed

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<v Speaker 2>men huddle over them, stroking them at a ritual known

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<v Speaker 2>as orgasmic meditation owming for short. The couples, who may

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<v Speaker 2>or may not be romantically involved, call one another research partners.

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<v Speaker 2>A commune dedicated to men and women publicly creating the

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<v Speaker 2>orgasm that exists between them. In the words of one resident,

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<v Speaker 2>may sound like the ultimate California satire. The notion of

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<v Speaker 2>a San Francisco sets commune focused on female orgasm. It's

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<v Speaker 2>part of a long and rich history of women being

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<v Speaker 2>public and empowered about their sexuality, said Elizabeth A. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 2>and associate professor of sociology at Indiana University, who has

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<v Speaker 2>studied San Francisco's sexual subcultures, and I find that that's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting because liked, not only did you all fall

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<v Speaker 2>for it, the New York Times kind of repeated their

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<v Speaker 2>ad pitch where like other people are stuck in traffic

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<v Speaker 2>and going to work, you're just coming all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>If you join the culture.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time, it's so it is how I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>how instantly. And I like, Nicole is really smart to

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<v Speaker 3>do this. If you're trying to do this, like just

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<v Speaker 3>like co opting any feminist talking point and the history

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<v Speaker 3>of feminism in the area is like thing number one

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. It's like it's from straight from the

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<v Speaker 3>Sandberg playbook. Yeah, like don't read too carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see the puzzle pieces, You've got the border

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<v Speaker 1>set up where it's going to end up in part

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<v Speaker 1>three being very I see the Silicon Valley of it

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<v Speaker 1>all happening.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you note, Jamie, like Professor Armstrong isn't like

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<v Speaker 2>wrong per se sure, but also she wouldn't have described

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<v Speaker 2>Morehouse as part of a long and rich history of

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<v Speaker 2>women being public and empowered about their sexuality role. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is the same thing. They've just dressed it up

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<v Speaker 2>as a text start.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and I'm curious about I mean, like what I

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<v Speaker 3>guess this does feel very like Silicon Valley, clinical to

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<v Speaker 3>like mask something else but removing all of this. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like all of the sexy parts of sex but keeping

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<v Speaker 3>all of the vulnerable parts of sex. Interesting I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to I mean, it's it's leading to something, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's just interesting how quickly we're People at the time

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<v Speaker 3>were like, so this is great, right, yea, like the

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<v Speaker 3>least sexy sex that you could possibly have, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>expensive and.

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<v Speaker 2>It costs money. Well, part of what I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, it's only the classes where it's deliberately not sexy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the classes, there's a lot of regular sex happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Is we'll talk about in the next part. These people

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<v Speaker 2>are living together for a chunk of this, right, for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this, and Nicole is also telling them

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<v Speaker 2>to pair up with people that like, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be good for you to have sex with this

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's gonna give us money. I think it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a growth experience for you to like fuck this this

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<v Speaker 2>guy or this lady who we need something out of it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's in the that's happening underneath these public sterile

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<v Speaker 2>sex demos, and so the law who comes is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, well, whatever this is, it's not prostitution.

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<v Speaker 2>They're clearly not horny, and they're ignoring all of the

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<v Speaker 2>straight up prostitution that's happening in the background right right

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<v Speaker 2>off either, they're clearly not horny. Let's keep yeah off

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<v Speaker 2>to find somebody else. It's also important I note kind

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<v Speaker 2>of at the end here that the image of this

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<v Speaker 2>is that what's different about One Taste is that Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>is running things. The boys aren't in charge. So this

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<v Speaker 2>really is feminine and empowering. But that's not really what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening either, because by the time they start doing demos

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco, Nicole is the stroker who's performing most

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<v Speaker 2>often in front of these large groups. That's what they

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<v Speaker 2>call it, right, And so she's often when the media

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<v Speaker 2>comes by, she'll often do the demo that they see

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<v Speaker 2>of this these meditative techniques. But she's the only woman

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<v Speaker 2>in the cult who regularly got to perform as a

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<v Speaker 2>stroker for classes and demonstrations. The other strokers in public

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<v Speaker 2>are almost always men. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I mean she has yeah because it's like

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<v Speaker 3>she has every other woman works under her, right, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no at this point, she's she has gotten rid of

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who can be considered to equal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's definitely gonna be some other women who have

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<v Speaker 2>power in the cult that start like forming because she

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<v Speaker 2>has to rely and delegate a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, okay, Well I'm looking forward to part three.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's part two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I mean, guys, really, it's going to get.

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<v Speaker 4>All plug some pluggables.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's plug baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You can listen to Bachdaelcasid Weevan Housed every single week.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a book coming out next year that I'll

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Yeah, follow me on Instagram, Jamie Christ superstar.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah yeah.

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