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Speaker 1: Cold Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where we

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Speaker 2: have uncomfortable conversations about section sexuality and the nineties, the

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Speaker 2: Bay Area in the early two thousands. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be awkward for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Getting a lot of quadrants, hitting a lot of important quadrants.

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Speaker 2: There, hitting a lot of big cues, big cues, a

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Speaker 2: lot of Robert ces. Jamie loftist our wonderful guest, back

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Speaker 2: in the saddle again to talk about the orgasm cults.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: I'm it's great to be back in the in the

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Speaker 3: the medical saddle.

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Speaker 2: That makes you come oh okay, well yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: Like a weird choice today, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're all struggling to say things that sound like.

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Speaker 2: It's weird, especially like again, this is all so adjacent

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Speaker 2: to like things I've done and were a part of

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Speaker 2: my youth that it's really kind of weird to me,

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Speaker 2: Like the reaction everyone else has to like the and

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Speaker 2: then they're doing like public sex demonstrations in front of

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Speaker 2: crowds of People's like, no, I've been to a bunch

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Speaker 2: of those.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, there's a lot of fine people at these events.

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Speaker 2: M hmm. There's good there, you know. I we did.

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Speaker 2: We had one at one of the We did an

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Speaker 2: event one year where like the theme was because there's

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Speaker 2: different every year, bad idea and so like my roommate,

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Speaker 2: I think she's like thirty, wanted to do like a

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Speaker 2: demo and like how to use like different like safe

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Speaker 2: sex objects and stuff like that because it's like a

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Speaker 2: big five day camping trip where bunch of people are

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Speaker 2: having sex. And she was like, well, there should be

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Speaker 2: an option for people to learn that in addition to

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Speaker 2: the weird kink camps that teach you how to use

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Speaker 2: like a fucking Saint Andrew's cross or a whip or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The problem was that the structure we had for it

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Speaker 2: theme of a bad idea. So it was a big

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Speaker 2: like pyramid like tint shade struckture thing with like a

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Speaker 2: like a disco ball that we had made by cutting

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Speaker 2: up hundreds of pieces of glass and putting them into

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Speaker 2: like a paper machet ball, and they were just kind

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Speaker 2: of glued on and it's like one hundred degrees and

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Speaker 2: so as it heats up as people are like cuddling

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Speaker 2: or doing the safe sex demonstrations or whatever, in their

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Speaker 2: pieces of like jagged glass are just like falling down

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Speaker 2: and we had put up like a tiny little net

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Speaker 2: to catch it. But again, it's supposed to be a

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Speaker 2: bad idea, so we didn't want to protect people too much.

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Speaker 2: We just made sure people were warned by the way

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Speaker 2: it rains glass inside the inside the This sounds like.

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Speaker 3: A saw trap. What are you talking?

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Speaker 2: It was about fun. Very few people got cut. It

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Speaker 2: was a really nice week.

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Speaker 3: It was all a jigsaw's tracks. We were young.

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Speaker 2: It was a good time and there were like maybe

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Speaker 2: four to five stitches required as a result of the

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Speaker 2: shattered glass disco ball. It was a great week. I

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Speaker 2: had a really good time. I've got bad idea attooed

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Speaker 2: on my fingers because of that week. It was great. Wow.

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Speaker 3: From that was at the lore drop.

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Speaker 2: At the end, I nearly killed a man with a flamethrower.

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Speaker 2: It was an awesome week.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Accidentally, guys, guarantina, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: So if you type the words welcomed consensus orgasm, which

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Speaker 2: is remember the group that kind of descends from the

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Speaker 2: Moorhouse community the Welcomed Consensus. If you type those three

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Speaker 2: words into Google, as I did, you'll be presented with

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Speaker 2: the Amazon page for a video titled Deliberate Orgasm Expanding

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Speaker 2: Female Orgasm, Volume one. It currently costs one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty two dollars on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: Two five stars, fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Reviews, two point four really.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the color the cover is haunting. The car is

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Speaker 3: like what it looks sixty.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a naked woman and like a man who's

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Speaker 2: like straddling her and has a hand around her buttocks,

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Speaker 2: but he's wearing jeans. She's completely fully clothed in jeans.

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Speaker 3: If it looks like a cropped Guantanamo picture, it's horrific.

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Speaker 4: It looks like some ship from grape Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I hate it. You have to really want I actually

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Speaker 3: do the financial barrier, not just anyone should be able

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Speaker 3: to look at that. You have to be a pervert

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Speaker 3: with money.

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Speaker 2: Are not ready? I also love that it's under the

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Speaker 2: special interests section of the DVD categories for Amazon. Is

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Speaker 2: indeed a special interest full jeans.

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Speaker 3: So you're like, let's be clear, no one's comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's having a good time. No one's having what you

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Speaker 2: would call sex right like.

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Speaker 3: Rod jeans on human skin. Not for another. It's that

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Speaker 3: that that lady's gonna chafe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's shaving. Yeah. This is one of several video

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Speaker 2: guides published by the Welcome Consensus. By the time that

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Speaker 2: Nicole didone, found it in nineteen ninety eight. She had

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Speaker 2: dated Erwin for a while, and while that didn't last,

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Speaker 2: her interest in deliberate orgasm did. She pressed Erwine to

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Speaker 2: connect her to more training, and rather than send her

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Speaker 2: to morehouse, he advised that she look into this splinter

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Speaker 2: group instead.

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Speaker 3: And this is this pre like huge groups. This is

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Speaker 3: pre operating theater coming.

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Speaker 2: No, they're doing that like the Moorhouse had done that.

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Speaker 2: Remember they'd done that thing where they said like it's

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Speaker 2: like that. Largely is like pr things to like bring

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Speaker 2: people in, and the Welcome Consensus did. It wasn't that big,

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Speaker 2: but they did do live demonstrations. Right. One of the

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Speaker 2: things that they because the Welcome Consensus is totally about

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Speaker 2: orgasm and pleasure and they declare it our birthright because

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Speaker 2: we were conceived in orgasm. That's like the motto of

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Speaker 2: the group essentially, and to bring in new members, they

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Speaker 2: do live demonstrations where a woman would be masturbated for

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Speaker 2: an hour, and they also sold really risque merch, like

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Speaker 2: they're very proud of how horny their merchandise is. They

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Speaker 2: have t shirts that brag life is too short for

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Speaker 2: mediocre sex. The Welcome Consensus didn't call new members marks. Instead,

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Speaker 2: they used the term benchmarks because it's just a little

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Speaker 2: different than the.

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Speaker 3: Sounds less antagonistic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one, this is the burger King of the moor House,

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Speaker 2: Like it's a burger. It's the burger King of orgasm cults, folks.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Welcome Consensus is.

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Speaker 4: Life is too short for mediocre sex is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good shirt. It's a pretty good shirt. It's

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Speaker 2: not attached to a cult.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, nothing's gonna nothing's gonna get me

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Speaker 2: It's the fugly shirt. Yeah, that's what they know. So

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Speaker 2: the Welcome Consensus again they call new members benchmarks, but

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Speaker 2: it only costs eleven dollars to visit. They've got a

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Speaker 2: they've got a compound obviously that's elsewhere in California, but

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Speaker 2: they've got a clubhouse in San Francisco and they do

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Speaker 2: like weekly game nights there. And these are games that

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Speaker 2: have been invented by the group that are and you know,

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Speaker 2: those like card games that are like, do you and

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Speaker 2: your spouse want to communicate better? This card game, we'll

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Speaker 2: we did our episodes on Sin and On right like,

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Speaker 2: Sin and On is these sessions where people sit arounder

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Speaker 2: influenced by that. They've got some games that are like

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Speaker 2: be positive, but often there's like a negative side too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how there. I used to work at UH

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Speaker 3: now Closed Comedy Theater, and we would teach stand up

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Speaker 3: the first day would always be just that to be you,

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Speaker 3: what are some assumptions people might make about you? And

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Speaker 3: this is in Boston, Massachusetts, so you're hearing some really nasty.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, wild stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're just told like, so, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe that's something you might want to play up on stage.

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Speaker 3: You're like, it's just anyone who I don't know. The

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Speaker 3: Radical Honesty movie. Man, I'm just like, please less disastrous.

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Speaker 2: We need to lie more. We need the lie more

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Speaker 3: You know, really for our own protection. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: It's not that we need a lie more. We need

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Speaker 2: to just know less about each other. It's not lying

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Speaker 2: just to not tell someone everything. And we don't all

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Speaker 2: these games again just kind of yet like the dark secrets,

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Speaker 2: and cathartic, and it creates this sort of stressful bonding

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Speaker 2: experience that other self help groups like you know, this

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Speaker 2: the modern day. Everything is just kind of sent and

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Speaker 2: on when you get right down to it. Now. The

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Speaker 2: founder of the Welcome Consensus our Ja Testament, which sounds fake,

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Speaker 2: was a cowboy coded dude. He's always wearing like a

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Speaker 2: What people will tell you about r J and the

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Speaker 2: COLT is that he's really good at calling people on

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Speaker 2: their bullshit. And here that phrase means he's really good

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Speaker 2: at psychologically abusing people, right, Like that's what that means.

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Speaker 2: R J was attended to by four women who were

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Speaker 2: his lovers and also helped run the group. This was

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Speaker 2: specifically framed more as polyamory than as polygamy. Uh and

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Speaker 2: one thing everyone got who lived at the group's ranch

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Speaker 2: was plenty of sex and a near total escape from

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Speaker 2: the real world. New members like Nicole were promised that

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Speaker 2: they too could escape the grind of regular life if

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Speaker 2: they just gave themselves over to the cause. They then

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Speaker 2: got to live on an organic farm, growing their own

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Speaker 2: food and orgasm at least five times per day. You

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Speaker 2: really are not allowed to do it. Less, you're not

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Speaker 3: It's not sounding like there is an opt out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, now can you lie? Of course they're not checking,

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Speaker 2: but oh you can lie. Everyone does.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 2: The WC framed their sex work as a sex as

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Speaker 2: sexual experimentation. Again, just like the morauses, Like, we're really

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Speaker 3: At this university. We're choosing to explore things we already

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Speaker 3: That means you're powerful, and that's me acknowledging you're powerful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and happening at the same Nicole's COLT is going

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Speaker 2: kind of guy will do anything to prove to himself

437
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: that he's not just another middle aged, middle class white

438
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: guy with money, right, and I think that.

439
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 3: This like personality profile too, is like there's always an

440
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: element of like revenge to having access to a lot

441
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: of sex and that it's been owed to you. You're

442
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: getting it back.

443
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah I never got it in high school, right, And yeah,

444
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: he definitely a big part of what he feels is that,

445
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 2: like I will do anything to have sex with a

446
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: lot of young women. Right, that's what That's what Nicole

447
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: sees in Rob.

448
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 8: Right.

449
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: So she first enters Rob's life when he goes to

450
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: a benchmark gathering and she walks in wearing this elaborate,

451
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: sexy costume. He would later describe it as like a

452
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: moment from a movie where the music changes to mark

453
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: an important plot point, because all these guys want to

454
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: feel like they're the leading man in a blockbuster film

455
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 2: and like, finally, like my life is turning into a movie.

456
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm no longer going to be like this boring slub

457
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: work and a job, right, And Nicole sees that and

458
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: sees like that's just what you tell him. You just

459
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: tell him this is a great adventure, Like you're the

460
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: protagonist of life. We're going to make like this is

461
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: like that's that's forever and now as long as you

462
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 2: stick with me. So for the moment, Carol needs to

463
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: be around too, because Rob is not willing to immediately

464
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: dump his wife, and Nicole manages to convince them both

465
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: that she can provide a more exciting and lucrative future

466
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: for them than the Welcomed Consensus. So she poaches these

467
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: two and two other students before leaving, and they all

468
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 2: move into Rob's house in San Francisco. Well, Nicole tries

469
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: to figure out what to do to differentiate her grift

470
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: from the ones that had come before her. Right, she

471
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 2: knows she wants to do something like the Moorhouse and

472
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: the Welcome Consensus, but she wants it to be her

473
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: own thing, and she wants it to be something that

474
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: can last and will not wind up pissing off a

475
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: bunch of like newspapers and stuff. Right, she has to

476
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: make it like somehow how do I make it work?

477
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: And how do I make it palatable for like people

478
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: in the nineties who are less sexists than these dudes

479
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: from like the sixties and seventies who had started the

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: other orgasm cults.

481
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: Or at least a different kind.

482
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least a different kind. So before she

483
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: figures out what her grift is going to be. Well,

484
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: they're all still living at Rob's house. She knows. She

485
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: wants to launch a food donation charity called fill Up America.

486
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: And this is not an act of charity. This is

487
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: something she had learned because both the Welcomed Consensus and

488
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: the More House people did this right where they had

489
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: food donation charities and they would take food donations, but

490
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: the purpose of these were not to give out food.

491
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 2: It was so that you didn't have to shop. Right,

492
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: you take in, you make yourself known as like this

493
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: is who you donate food to, and people donate food,

494
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: you take out the good stuff and you use that

495
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: to feed everyone for free at your commune, and then

496
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: you give away the bad stuff to like a food

497
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: pantry or something like that. Like that's literally what it is,

498
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: and that's what Nicole is doing. It's very unethical.

499
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: God, that's so horrible. Yeah, where it's just like a

500
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: gigantic shipment of like soaking wet peb and jas.

501
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and you got out all the good ship. Yeah.

502
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: I have to I have to say, like the future

503
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: sex cult having something called fill up America is so funny.

504
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: Fill Up America.

505
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: That's gross. It's really gross. You had to know that, Nicole.

506
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: This was like the year two thousand and one, Like

507
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: we weren't that in the fucking what.

508
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: You do fill up America? Nasty?

509
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: It's It says a lot about Nicole that she's like, first,

510
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: even before I know what the grift is, when I

511
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: know what the colt's going to be, before I have

512
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: any like members or any classes. We've got to have

513
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: our fake food charity so we don't have to pay

514
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: for groceries. Right now. Nicole starts writing her own guide

515
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: to what she called orgasmic meditation, which pulled back from

516
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: the multi hour sessions the welcomed consensus had worked up to.

517
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: She realized it was more a lot more marketable to

518
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: sell lestoral stroking as a fifteen minute meditative technique, something

519
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: you can plug into your morning routine without much fuss.

520
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: She specifically says, I want this to replace coffee for

521
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: like young professional women in like the Bay Area and

522
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: stuff like, instead of your morning coffee, you have like

523
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: your morning fucking fifteen minutes.

524
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: I do she already, I will say, basically prior other

525
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: than like she's it's a better hook than what.

526
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: Vick is it's a way better hook.

527
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: It's much coffee with coming.

528
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: It's a great genius. It's genius in a way.

529
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah not Hey guys, did you know my wife

530
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: could come? Should we start a business? Like she's she

531
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: has learned?

532
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: And what tells you how ahead of the curve she

533
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: is is like, in like twenty sixteen, you would have

534
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: written this as like a joke start up right to parody,

535
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: like the health and wellness culture and the body optimization

536
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: culture in the in the valley and the Bay. But

537
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: this is like twousand and one or two, right, she's

538
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: really ahead of the curve. She sees this part of

539
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco before. It's as much of a meme as

540
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: it's kind of a come prem yeah pre goop. Now

541
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: there is conflict arises pretty quickly between her and Carol.

542
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Carol is convinced that Nicole wants to make convince her

543
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: husband to abandon her, because that is exactly Carol what

544
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: Nichole is trying to do.

545
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: Carol get out of there.

546
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: So Carol gets pissed and she's like Rob and I

547
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: are leaving. We're gonna go stay in a nice place

548
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: in Jersey for like a couple of weeks and you

549
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: need to be gone when we get back. So that

550
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: Robin Carroll fucking bounce And before they leave, Nicole is like,

551
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: you'll regret it. Your life will be nothing but boring

552
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 2: once you get back home if you leave us, and

553
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: that says like she leaves, her little nascent colt leaves

554
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: and they try to find a new place to be,

555
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: and Robin Carroll come back and they do kind of

556
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: miss the cult. They are like, oh, it is really

557
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: boring without Nicole. I'm just kind of like making money

558
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: and living in like the bay. I kind of want

559
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: to be back in a cult. It's a lot more

560
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: fun than my life.

561
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: So there's not a lot of good movies out right now. Yeah,

562
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: we'd like to read take acid and party.

563
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we took.

564
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: An prodcast and it wasn't fun.

565
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: We want didn't fix things.

566
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 4: This is two thousand and one. But is this two

567
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: thousand and one.

568
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: Or so before nine to eleven or probably after an

569
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: leven Now I don't know, all.

570
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 8: Right, all right, I just want to I just want

571
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 8: to understand the cultural vibes of the time.

572
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: Sure, So she Nicole calls Rob a few weeks you know,

573
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: into this, and is like, hey, you guys want to

574
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: come over and take acid, Like we're staying at this

575
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: new place, why don't you all party? And like they

576
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: do when soon they're back in the group and she

577
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: eventually talks Rob into leaving his wife, and she basically

578
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: does it by pitching him like, look, we're going to

579
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: create this new tech savvy community of orgasm entrepreneurs, and

580
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: we're going to sell this technique to all of these

581
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: like rich people in the bay and all these beauti

582
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: full young women in the bay. And I want you

583
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: to be basically a human billboard. Rob, You're gonna have

584
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: endless access to women's bodies as you just kind of

585
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: like help help help us afford this while we're getting

586
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: off the ground and Rob a grease kidd Yeah that

587
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Rob takes the deal ultimately does leave his wife.

588
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: I was trying to like drop myself into the experience

589
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: of someone making like telling me to my face they're

590
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: an orgasm entrepreneur.

591
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that she uses that word, but

592
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: that is what they're doing, right, They're starting an orgasm business.

593
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: And like do but I do believe that guys like

594
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: this would would feel so comfortable just letting that I'm

595
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: a bit of an orgasm entrepreneur, you could say, and

596
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: then my clitterist would just fall off right there.

597
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: So around the same time that all this is happening,

598
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: Nicole has started gathering a cotterie of older men to

599
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: her right that she's at first she's going, I use

600
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: for money and then for like some of their knowledge

601
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: and advice. And in all of these cases she's kind

602
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: of like you get the some of it. Times it's

603
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: spelled it, sometimes it's not, But she's kind of offering

604
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: up her body in some cases to these men that

605
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: she needs something from in order to get pieces that

606
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: she needs to complete this cult. And that's going to

607
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: be relevant because of like what she's going to do later, right,

608
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: But that is a that is an aspect of this

609
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: that's not always directly discussed. But sometimes it's even just

610
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: like these old guys just want to like spend time

611
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: and feel like they're influential to this young, hot woman.

612
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes they are getting something physical out from it.

613
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: The first of these different version of the Elizabeth Holmes playbook.

614
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: Right right right, exactly exactly my hot young ward yeah, yeah,

615
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: And the first of these men was the former Morehouse

616
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: founder Vic Baranco, who by this point was old and

617
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: dying and was living in Hawaii. He had just a

618
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: handful he basically again Morehouse still exists, but he'd kind

619
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: of given up and had just retreated to this like

620
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: nice place in Hawaii with a few of his closest followers,

621
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: right because he knows he's not going to last much

622
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: longer and he just wants to enjoy life. Wow, bless,

623
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: And she thinks that she convinces him over a couple

624
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: of days, and who knows what goes on to make

625
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: her his heir so she can take over after him

626
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: and like move Morehouse into a new age. But that

627
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: was just a lie, like he was he never meant that,

628
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: And she eventually realizes that she's been had and he

629
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: was just kind of screwing around with her, And so

630
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: she leaves with her followers from the Morehouse compound and

631
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: they rent another place in Hawaii for a while, and

632
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 2: they start like planning out, like what is our what

633
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: are we going to do? Like what is our course

634
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: curriculum going to be? And they start writing out obviously

635
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: taking these ideas from Warhouse and the Welcome consensus and

636
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: throwing in some of their own, mostly Nicole's and they're

637
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: putting stuff together. They move back to San Francisco, where

638
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: they meet the next of these older guys, who's a

639
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: forty five year old former musician named Don Mary's his

640
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: longtime girlfriend had recently died from some sort of cancer,

641
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: and Don is just deeply depressed. He's certainly not a

642
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: rich guy, but he's got a house of his own,

643
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: and he's got some amount of money, and they really

644
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: just need a place right. Nicole had known him when

645
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: she was in her early twenties and had been partying

646
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: and doing a lot of drugs, and you know, he's

647
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: a musician, so they'd kind of known each other, and

648
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: she latched onto him like ten or so years ago,

649
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: even though he was a lot older. And he'd avoid

650
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: getting entangled with her then because a friend of us

651
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: had told him quote, she's a monster. But she shows

652
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: up a decade later. He's really lonely and sad, and

653
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: she's like, Hey, we're doing this like fun thing. We're

654
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: going to start an orgasm business. Can we like do

655
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: it in your house? And he's like, okay, I guess

656
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: why not?

657
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: Cool? Cool?

658
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: She doesn't critically, I said, she doesn't say it's an

659
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: orgasm business. We're doing like a self help thing, and

660
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: we're going to come up with like a new training

661
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: program to sell people and start a business. Can we

662
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: do it in your house?

663
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 6: Right?

664
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: Right?

665
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: And orgasms are what they're like the zenu of the operation,

666
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 3: like yes, oh, yes, by the way.

667
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: You have to Don, Yeah, Don's gonna have to wait

668
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: to learn the orgasms or what this is all about.

669
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

670
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: So while he's out working because he's still like a

671
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: handyman or something, Nicole and her friends are at his

672
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: house writing courses on argasmic meditation and platoral stroking. Don

673
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: is kind of only dimly aware of, like literally what

674
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 2: they're doing. He's mostly just happy to not be lonely,

675
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: it kind of seems like to me. And he starts

676
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: to become aware that, like whatever they're doing during the day,

677
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: Nicole seems to be flirting with him, and Don is

678
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: a smart enough guy to know, like, well, that can't

679
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: be genuine, Like I know, like I'm I'm way over

680
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: the hill. I don't feel good anymore, like this is

681
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: she's got to have an angle in this.

682
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: Right, I'm grieving like yeah, yeah.

683
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: So one day she tells Don is in the room,

684
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: but Nicole is talking to Rob, and Nicole tells Rob,

685
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: I should may read Don. I think that would be

686
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: really good for the group if I married Don. And

687
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: she doesn't even say this to Don and they went

688
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: up taking acid later, and he kind of gets pissed

689
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: about this because again he's grieving, and he's like, you

690
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't joke about stuff like that, and he like kind

691
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: of leaves for a while, but he comes back and

692
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: she keeps pushing him to spend more time with them

693
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: and to party with them and kind of flirting with

694
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: him more, and even after they eventually leave his place

695
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: because Rob gets a new place near San Francisco and

696
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: she's like, Don, why don't you come with us and

697
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: stay for a few days. And he's like, I know

698
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: something's going on here. I know this isn't on the

699
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: up and up, but I am old and sad and

700
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: I kind of want to take drugs with this hot

701
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: young lady and her orgasmical what might be an orgasmical?

702
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: Right?

703
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: He's going through a hard time.

704
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, She applies Don with LSD and he winds up

705
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: spending like more than like weeks there, and her followers

706
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: pitch him on what they'd started calling the Institute of

707
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Monastic Understanding. They like because the acronym is I am

708
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: you right, Oh yeah, there you're seeing you Nope. Yeah.

709
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: So their food charity is in full swing by this point,

710
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: and they start recruiting people who volunteered to help them

711
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: bag and distribute groceries right to join the cult. These

712
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: people are here about the orgasms. Don still is not.

713
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: People come and go from the property, including Don's cousin, William,

714
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: who Donald calls Will up and Will comes down for

715
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: a few weeks and he writes a fictional book about

716
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: his time there and about like falling in love with

717
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: these like LSD cultists, and he would includes some lines

718
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: from it in her book. And this Don's cousin's writings

719
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: give a pretty compelling glimpse inside the minds of these

720
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: older men that she's bringing in and like, because this

721
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: is going to be relevant the whole growth of this cult.

722
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: This is what's always going on in the dude's heads quote.

723
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Think of it, the endless excellent sex, the lively intellectual conversation,

724
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: the intense tripping, all the new people I was meeting,

725
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: and just the entire unknown adventure of it all, and

726
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: this community. More happened in a week every week than

727
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: what happened in three months back in the old world,

728
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: my other life, that place when I had an American

729
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: Express card a lifetime ago. Right, Well, don't you even

730
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: have to think about money or work. It could just

731
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: take drugs and have sex. Yeah.

732
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: Right. But then also, priz that I feel so so

733
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: like crucial to these kinds of grips is to not

734
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: make it just sound like what it is. Just like, yeah,

735
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: drugs and sex and the illusion of power and access

736
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and being like this is a

737
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: spiritual mission and you're doing the bust at it.

738
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is what I got out of the

739
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: events I used to go to as a young person

740
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: because they were that they were totally honest. It was like, no, no,

741
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: for like five days, we're gonna do drugs and have

742
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of weird sex, and there will be a

743
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: bunch of art and music to dance too. But then

744
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: we then you go home, then you go back your

745
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: life and it's cr and then you go home.

746
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: And if you have a nice time, that's great, but

747
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: it does not make your God.

748
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: You do, but you're not God, and you haven't figured

749
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: out the universe. You've just learned that doing drugs and

750
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: fucking for five days with your friends can be a

751
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: pretty good time, which, like you knew already before you

752
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: did it.

753
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, if you disinfected those cuts from the glass that

754
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: was falling from the ceiling, Oh say glass cuts.

755
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: Whoever got hurt by glass other than the people? So

756
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: Don agrees eventually to marry Nicole, knowing it's a bad idea,

757
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: and Nicole admits to him at this point after he says,

758
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: let's get married, She's like, by the way, this whole

759
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: thing is all about orgasms, this is an orgasm cult

760
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: that we're doing, and he is. He's initially pissed, but

761
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: at this point he's agreed to marry her. Right, so

762
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: he forgives her and they have a weird wedding where

763
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: she kind of ignores him until they're married, and then

764
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: she tells him she turns him, and she says, actually,

765
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: you've just married everyone in this room and it's all

766
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: of the other cult members. Horrible time for Don and

767
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: her followers jokingly make Donn a shirt that says indignant

768
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: man kidnapped by love colt like a like a fake

769
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: headline as a joke that I love, Like they are

770
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: really poor, like don is he's getting sucked with. But

771
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: so they were just saying, what was happening, man, Like

772
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

773
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: It's like at some point, well I don't I don't

774
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: even know. This guy can't catch a break and they're

775
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: caullying him.

776
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: And they're bullying him, and I think his attitude is

777
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: kind of like I bought the ticket, I took the ride,

778
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: you know, like he's not the ultimate victim. His story

779
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: is just very funny to me.

780
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like at some point it just gets

781
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: weird where he's like, well, yeah, it's just like someone

782
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: acting like they're wearing handcuffs when it's like, no, man,

783
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: you own the house.

784
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: This is your house.

785
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are not trapped here. He's like, well, there's

786
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: nothing I could do.

787
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: So the group, still going by IMU, starts offering courses

788
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: for money, and so for the first time, people start

789
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: paying them and attending. But they're not a lot of people.

790
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: This is not a big group yet, and they're not

791
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: teaching orgasm at first. In these classes, they're not doing

792
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: the stroking or anything of that. Instead, they're teaching Nicole's philosophy,

793
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: which is a bunch of warmed over bullshit from like

794
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: the middle of the last century, and basically, like basically

795
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: Nicolls that it is like life has no inherent meaning

796
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: other than the one that you give it, which sounds

797
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: like it could be fine. Right. People take that in

798
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: healthy ways. This is often the case of Nicole stuff.

799
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: There's a way you can interpret that healthily. But what

800
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Nicole means by that is that if you have a

801
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: bad experience, that's because you're choosing to frame the thing

802
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: that happened to you is a bad thing, and you

803
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: don't have to do that. And the point that she

804
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: will tell in these in these classes to illustrate what

805
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: she's saying is that, you know, when I was a child,

806
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: I used to think that my father had molested me.

807
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: But now that I'm a mature adult and I've done

808
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: a lot of work and gone through all of the

809
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: coursework and stuff on this, I know now I seduced

810
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: my father. I was the one with powers. So she's just.

811
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: Teaching SHARV like that's yeah, yeah, yeah, that is that's okay, okay,

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: because that's very upset. Yeah, it's really, I mean, especially

813
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: because it's upsetting yeah, because you're like, I mean, it's

814
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: like the VOT. You gotta feel for her that it's like,

815
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: if she does believe it, that's really tragic and.

816
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: Really fucked up. Yeah, that I think. I don't think

817
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: that she. I think this is maybe she believes or not,

818
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: but I think this is consciously she's doing this because

819
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: she knows what she's going to be doing to the

820
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: people who are her followers, right, and she wants this

821
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: is a really good thing to convince everyone to believe

822
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: at the baseline before you start doing the other shit.

823
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: She's going to do that. If you think something's bad,

824
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: it's because you're interpreting it as bad.

825
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: It's like a grouping tactic, like you've just taken a

826
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: course on why everything that's about to happen to you

827
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: is actually okay.

828
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: It's fine, is good? Yes, uh yeah, And obviously that

829
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: that really like sends a message to her followers. Early

830
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: on in two thousand and three, after Carol leaves and

831
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: Don marries Nicole, Nicole brings a new guy in to

832
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: the fold, a new old guy. This is Ray Vetterling.

833
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: Ray Vetterlin had been a protege a vic at Moore

834
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: at the Moorhouse thing, and he he was like the

835
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: almost famous version of a cult leader. Like he'd been

836
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: pretty big in Morehouse. He'd done some cult stuff of

837
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: his own, but it had never really taken off. He'd

838
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: like done, he'd made some money, he'd done okay, But

839
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: now to industry, he's a working cult leader. Ray is right,

840
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: you take.

841
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 3: It personally, man, it couldn't.

842
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Time, yeah, exactly. Yeah, But Ray knows the business right.

843
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: Ray knows if you're going to start a cult, here's

844
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: the things you want to do, here's how you build

845
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: the curriculum that you're going to sell, and all this stuff.

846
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: And so she brings him in and he writes down

847
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: a lot of his best tips and tricks, and he

848
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: helps her kind of plan the cult. She's going to

849
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: start from the ground up. And this is kind of

850
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: a situation where Ray is both going to get physical

851
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: access into Cole's body. He's going to be doing all

852
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: of these physical orgasm demonstrations where he's like stroking her.

853
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: But he also he gets to like he gets to

854
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: kind of live through her because she is young enough

855
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: and has enough energy to start a successful cult and

856
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: he doesn't anymore. And I think that's a big part

857
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: of it for Ray, Right, so he writes out a

858
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: document for her laying out how this orgasm cult ought

859
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: to function per the book Empire of Orgasm quote, some

860
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: of the lessons were nothing bolts. Practical teachers should be

861
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: in couples, ideally in their early thirties, big enough that

862
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: twenty year old students won't see them as mom and

863
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: dad making out. Host a law a day long intro

864
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: course twice a month, he said, and use a short

865
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: demo of a woman in orgasm at the end of

866
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: the class as a safe showstopper, a format that one

867
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: taste that's her later cult would employ for more than

868
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: a decade. The minute one woman sees another woman getting

869
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: off like that, they want to be there too, Ray wrote, Right,

870
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: So they spell this out all very directly, and his

871
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: pitch to her as to like why this is going

872
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: to work is that more House had failed because it

873
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: was too patriarchal, It was too trapped in the seventies

874
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: and eight eighties. Right, People today didn't want to hear

875
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: like a fucking dude with a mustache talk about how

876
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: much he's getting laid. They want the illusion at least

877
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: to feminism and gender equality, and they want to be

878
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: told that what they're doing isn't it just because they're horny,

879
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: It's because it's going to optimize their health. It's going

880
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: to make them more powerful. It's going to make you smarter,

881
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna make you faster, it's going to make you

882
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: better able to compete in the cutthroat tech industry. Right.

883
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: That is such a like it's it's the same sexual crime,

884
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: but being positioned by a woman who claims this will

885
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: optimize you.

886
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 2: Let will optimize you're eating their drinking the right juice. Yeah, yeah,

887
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: super funny.

888
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: I mean that's like that is even though it is

889
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: funny and a great pitch replacing, Like it's so Silicon

890
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: Valley brain to be like, I come instead of drink

891
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: coffee and it saves me time and it actually releases

892
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: more chemicals.

893
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: It's me eight minutes a day. Right, Yeah, emails I've

894
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: sent it's the same as the AI thing, really, right,

895
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: any more emails I send than everyone else. I'm productive.

896
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: They all they like, they're all in a language I

897
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: don't speak, but they send it. And that's what matters.

898
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: That's what that's all that matters in business. Ray has

899
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: in this document, He writes, he has a line that

900
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite things from this. Since we

901
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: are not yet selling the god hustle, what do we do?

902
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: What we have to sell is an organically healthy lifestyle

903
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: with sensuality and intimacy. Ray's really good at this. Like,

904
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: Ray's honestly a great mind in the in the con business.

905
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: Wow, you know.

906
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: Who else is a great mind when it comes to

907
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: conning people?

908
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 6: You?

909
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the sponsors of this podcast and we're back.

910
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: So Ray wrote that anyone showing up to their classes

911
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: was by definition missing something right. This is like, because

912
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: this is something Nicole knows a lot of this, but

913
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Ray's kind of writing out all of his lessons and

914
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: one thing he writes that anyone's going to show up

915
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: to like an optimize your Life fucking Orgasm class is

916
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: missing something right. They don't have everything they need. They're

917
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: not fully happy, otherwise they wouldn't be here. And the

918
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: one thing that Americans are more likely to miss than

919
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: anything else is intimacy. Right, So if you can create

920
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: situations that fake very sudden, very intense intimacy with a

921
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: large number of hot people, you can make a fuck

922
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: load of money because people will get addicted to that,

923
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: and they'll pay any amount of money to keep being

924
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: around it. And all you have to do is be

925
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: brutally honest about what they're doing wrong, at which point

926
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: they'll listen to whatever you tell them is the right

927
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: way to do things right, because they want to stay there.

928
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: They want to keep having these experiences, they want to

929
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: keep feeling that they're having revelations and stuff because they're

930
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: just doing things that feel good for their body and

931
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: that's nice, and people can't accept that. People can't just

932
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: accept that, like, oh maybe I like having sex and

933
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: like a fucking weird group situation, which is a perfectly

934
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: fine thing for people to do if that's what gets

935
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: you off. But they can't just accept this feels good.

936
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: It has to be opt amising me. This has to

937
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: be unlocking a secret hack in my brain. Otherwise it's

938
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: a waste of time because I won't make more money

939
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: at Apple right.

940
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: And literally thing and it's like going back to the

941
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: fucking twelfth century is like this, This woman orgasming has to

942
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: have some sort of like crucial productive function where it

943
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: just nothing can just feel good.

944
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: And that's that's really what drew me in to like

945
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: the fucking events that I like, these little burn events

946
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: that I went to was like the whole the whole

947
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: pitch was like, you know what sucks capitalism? You know,

948
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't suck doing drugs with your friends in the woods,

949
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Like where's that? Like the hedonism is important?

950
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: Where's the this shit sucks?

951
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: They had that back in more House, but it got

952
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: really again, if there's also a guy that.

953
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: For the experience, Yeah, that's.

954
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: The other important thing is that. And there's not like

955
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: a guy, Like it's just a bunch of people hanging out,

956
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: Like no one's getting rich off of this. Like as

957
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: soon as there's a guy, and as soon as you're

958
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: paying thousands of dollars, like things get very quickly problematic.

959
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: And but but if you're paying thousands of dollars, then

960
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: it can't just be something that feels good, because like,

961
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: actually feeling good can be really cheap. I get like

962
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: I had to sit on the couch like with my

963
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: partner and we both have a really like feel really nice,

964
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: like watching a movie. But nobody makes money off of that.

965
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: You can't tell a fucking yeah, they can be worth anything.

966
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: They have a meeting at the beginning of every day

967
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: do not tell people they can just comm at their house.

968
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: Do not tell them.

969
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: Don't tell people that. Don't let them know they can

970
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: just actually find love and companionship without like paying money,

971
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: because that you can just start.

972
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: A conversation with someone and see what happens. Don't tell

973
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: them that shit.

974
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: Don't let them know. Don't let them know. So Don

975
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: and Nicole and their little group are living at Ray's

976
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: place at this point, right, they moved into Ray's house,

977
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: and they're helping Nicole explore how to make her They're

978
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: basically prepping. They're they're going to be doing these public

979
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: organism demos, and they're they're they're training, right, They're doing

980
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: they're like preparing for like these marathon public orgasm sessions, right,

981
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: And this means that Nicole every day is lying down

982
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: in a room full of mirrors while Don and Ray

983
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: and Rai's in his seventies masturbate her at the same time.

984
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: And Ray is supposed to be kind of like teaching

985
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: Don how to do it, because the idea initially is

986
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: that Don will do this because he's her husband in

987
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: the actual like public classes, and Nicole is she's not,

988
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: you know, she's she's having these with a lot of

989
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: her followers, like they're all practicing these masturbation techniques. And

990
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: Nicole is keeping a blog in which she writes about

991
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: her experiences in lurid detail, and this is gonna give

992
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: you an idea of like how she's because she you

993
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: can't ever talk about it like sex. You should never

994
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: describe the sexual sensations or what you're seeing or doing

995
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: in a sexual manner. You don't want it to be hot.

996
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: You want it to sound like a fucking poem or something,

997
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: right like, because that makes it not gross. So for

998
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: an example that here's one description that Nicole wrote about

999
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: how it felt to be masturbated by Ray, this elderly

1000
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: cult leader. The laughter welled and weld inside of me.

1001
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: I became swollen with laughter, and then like champagne pouring

1002
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: over the sides of the bottle, tears began to flood me.

1003
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: Right And again, the key here is that there's nothing

1004
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: about sex in there right that makes it seem profound

1005
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: and also marketable.

1006
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: Some Lna del rey ass I was like, like, whatever,

1007
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: writing sex poetry is fine, but if that's like a

1008
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: hard rule, then it starts to feel kind of like dissociative.

1009
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: But also that makes it feel very different from these

1010
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: prior cults. There's no guys going and this is so hot,

1011
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: isn't it? Like because they're not they're being like no,

1012
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: it's like champagne pulling over the sides of a bottle.

1013
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 6: You know.

1014
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: It just feels more intellectual and thus safe, right, right,

1015
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: that's the basic idea, And part of the idea here

1016
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: is that like, while she's being stroked for an audience,

1017
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: she'll call in like people to put her hands, their

1018
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: hands on her and describe how they felt. And the

1019
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: idea is that like this is such a like a

1020
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: powerful spiritual thing that like everybody is affected by it

1021
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: in the room right, and gets everyone to buy into it,

1022
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: and it makes them feel connected and included and helps

1023
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 2: make it an addictive experience. Soon she's got like twenty

1024
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: or so followers, but she's not making money off of this,

1025
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: and she feels like the group is incomplete until one

1026
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: day Ray is like, hey, Don's not working for like

1027
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 2: the sex demo stuff. Nobody's gonna want to watch Don

1028
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: do this. I think you should bring Irwan back because

1029
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: Irwan's hot and he's really good at doing these these demos.

1030
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: Don cannot you should bring him in, Ray fucking Don.

1031
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: He's so fired from the manipulative sex local theater truths.

1032
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: So sad and Don he's growing increasingly disillusioned. He hears

1033
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: over what one day he overhears Ray and Erewan talking

1034
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: because she brings an erawon and Ray and Erewan called

1035
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: Donn a throwaway person.

1036
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: Okay, in there is like a Eugene Levy invest in

1037
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: show quality to Don.

1038
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: To me, he's just like, it's really funny. Gene Levy

1039
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 2: twenty years ago would have been the guy to cast

1040
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 2: for Done.

1041
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: For Don be like, hey, so oh, you're really bringing

1042
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 3: down the vibe at the sex cal.

1043
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: Done. So Don flips out and Don leaves. Nicole divorces him,

1044
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: and by the time she and Erwan do their first

1045
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: public demo in front of an audience of forty, he

1046
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: is all but forgotten. This first public Don good for you,

1047
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: Bye Don, Bye Don. This first public like stroking demo

1048
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: happens in August of two thousand and three. He wits

1049
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 2: book describes the scene and detail and I don't feel

1050
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: the need to tell you what Irwan did to this

1051
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: woman's vulva step by step. I appreciate that Ellen does.

1052
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: Her book is very good. You learn a lot about

1053
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: this group and exactly what they're doing. We don't need

1054
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: to talk about that. You get the idea, right. What's

1055
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: important is what he tells the audience after Nicole has

1056
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: a massive, shuddering, hour long orgasm in front of a crowd. Quote,

1057
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: it's pure euphoria. You can have as much of that

1058
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: sensation as you like. You can feel it in your

1059
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: body as much as you want. If she can do this,

1060
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: so can you. And then he invites audience members up

1061
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 2: to touch Nicole and this works like gangbusters. Right. People

1062
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: love this, They tell their friends. Soon more folks are

1063
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: signing up to go watch the orgasm class right.

1064
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: Doing like a horny Arena Abramovic thing. It just feels

1065
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: like it's like a it's like a performance art thing.

1066
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 8: It's yeah yeah, And he's like the made treaty. He's

1067
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 8: the he's the you know, guy with the microphone.

1068
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: Y come first, come all.

1069
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be a problem, right, because Nicole she

1070
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: got into this to be the one, right, she's the

1071
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: cult leader. If Airwan is like the star of the show,

1072
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: because he's actually doing the demonstration and talking and she's

1073
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: just kind of like mutely, not mutely, but like she's

1074
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: not making like she's not speaking. She's she's supposed to

1075
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: be having an orgasm, right, She's kind of a secondary

1076
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: figure in the demo that is not going to work

1077
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: for Nicole.

1078
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: One she has details to add here is that this

1079
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 4: man's name is definitely Irwin, but Robert.

1080
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 8: Keeps calling him arrow on like the grocery and I

1081
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 8: E R W A N. And I've been enjoying it

1082
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 8: the entire time, but I think, but I think we're

1083
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 8: about I think we're about the last of this man,

1084
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 8: and I wanted to get it in.

1085
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: We're not going everyone's not gonna be around all that

1086
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: much longer because Nicole Nicole is basically as soon as

1087
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: this first demo goes the way it does, Nicole has

1088
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: like a team meeting, like a cult meeting, and she's like,

1089
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: you guys got to choose him or me, Like she

1090
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: has enough, She's got the instincts where she's like, if

1091
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: I let this get established is the way we do things,

1092
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: he's going to be the cult leader, right, and I

1093
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: don't want that. That's not okay.

1094
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: This is such a Silicon Valley approach to cult leading.

1095
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: It's it is a wild very much. This is like

1096
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: meeting ship. Yeah, it's the PayPal mafia with weird orgasm

1097
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: fucking teachings.

1098
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 3: So he's nuked, he's gone.

1099
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: He's nuked. Yeah, the colt picks Nicole. Nicole wins, and

1100
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: one leaves the picture. Irwin whatever you want to call him.

1101
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: Ray is kicked out, Irwin, whatever your prices are high,

1102
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: great produce.

1103
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: Sorry, and uh Ray gets kicked out right after that,

1104
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: not long after that, because Nicole no longer needs any

1105
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: old men like hanging around the right. She's figured things out. Yeah,

1106
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: the Grift is now ready. This is a fully operational

1107
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: battle station. The Grift is now ready for the prime time.

1108
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: Farewell of You're sorry. I just like that. She's kicking

1109
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 4: out all these.

1110
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: So far.

1111
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. In March of two thousand and four, Nicole finally

1112
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: settles on a name for what they were doing. One taste.

1113
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: It was taken from the title of a book by

1114
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: a philosopher and attributed to a statement by the Buddha.

1115
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: Just as the great ocean has one taste, the taste

1116
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: of salt, so also this teaching and discipline has one

1117
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: taste the taste of liberation. Yes, one taste, the taste

1118
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: of liberation. He's talking about that Budda talking about I

1119
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: guess Buddhism. Oh yeah, but she's like one taste. When

1120
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: you have one taste, not pussy. Yeah, they're not doing that, Jamie.

1121
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: But when you have one taste of the life we

1122
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: offer you, you'll never want anything else for yourself, right,

1123
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: That's how it's supposed to feel, you know. So. On

1124
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: July thirtieth, two thousand and fourth, the One Taste Urban

1125
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: Retreat Center opened in San Francisco's Fulsome Street, which is

1126
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: probably the most sex positive neighborhood in the US at

1127
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 2: the time. There's a big street fair on Fulsome that's

1128
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: like a bunch of leather daddies and like some really

1129
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: depraved public sex acts. If you really want to see

1130
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: some shit, go to the Fulsome Street parade.

1131
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: San Francisco in the two thousands is still like kind

1132
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: of hanging on to.

1133
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: Still pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

1134
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1135
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Nicole and her followers ran there orgasm demos there,

1136
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: but they also like this is like a big warehouse basically,

1137
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: and they've got like several different businesses that they operate

1138
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: out of it. They've got a yoga studio, they've got

1139
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: a massage parlor, they've got like a cafe that sells

1140
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: fucking frozen yogurt because it's two thousand and four, and

1141
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: they're also hosting workshops, not just the orgasm stuff, but

1142
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 2: they've got some very Bay friendly subjects like conscious cuddling

1143
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: right where again it's and you get a lot of like, oh,

1144
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: people think you have to pay to like cuddle with

1145
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: a bunch of people because they don't know they don't

1146
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: have any community. Like that's a bummer. Again, that stuff

1147
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: was just free. When I was younger, we didn't have

1148
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: to pay to fucking do a workshop next to a

1149
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: fro yo stand. So the orgasm stuff was kooky and

1150
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: out there, but for the most part they blended into

1151
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: the scenery of San Francisco. At that time, One Taste

1152
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: was a business, and her cult members are also all employees,

1153
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: although they are not receiving regular or sufficient Bay for

1154
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: the fourteen hour days that they're putting in Valley. Paid

1155
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: an experience, paid an experience baby.

1156
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 4: Since you mentioned froyo, it does One Taste does sound

1157
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 4: like a bink berry.

1158
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: It would be funny if they hadn't become a criminal cult,

1159
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: which is where this ends, and it had just pivoted

1160
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: hard into fro Yo. I was just explaining the origins

1161
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: of a popular frozen yogurt company.

1162
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: It was just like, wait, so we just realized Froyo

1163
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: is where the money is. So we're dropping the sex call.

1164
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: We'rep It's like if you were looking up like the

1165
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: marble slab creamer, like, oh, they used to fuck on

1166
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: the slab. I didn't guess that. I guess the ice

1167
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 2: cream was a better business. Yeah. McDonald's just to used

1168
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: to just be a guy named McDonald in a bedroom.

1169
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: But then he started serving burgers, and you know, one

1170
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: thing led to another. So morehouse starts having weekly sessions

1171
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: where though again they're playing communication games to draw in

1172
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: the normies.

1173
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 7: You know.

1174
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: Instead of calling it the mark group or the benchmark group,

1175
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: she called this the in group, a term which I

1176
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: think deeply revealing to the social dynamics that are at

1177
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: play here. Because most people, most of us, weren't cool

1178
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: at high school or at any of the schools that

1179
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 2: we went to. And some people grow up and they

1180
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: enter the wide world and they find their place in it,

1181
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: and we forget that we ever wanted strangers to think

1182
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: that we were cool. Other people don't get over that,

1183
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: and they particularly never get over a lot of men

1184
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: never get over seeing like the cool hot guys at

1185
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: their high school hang out with the cool hot girls

1186
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: who didn't know they existed, right, that like eats at

1187
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: them the remainder of their lives. And so that's why

1188
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: she's calling it the in group, right, is it's kind

1189
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: of to be like, you're one of the cool kids

1190
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: if you're hanging out with us, right, Like you're one

1191
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: of the cool kids if you pay for our classes.

1192
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: This is how to be that because we're having lots

1193
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: of fun, experimental, weird sex. Now, it would be very

1194
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: unfair of me, I should I should note just to

1195
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: say that, to talk about because I've largely been talking

1196
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: about what is drawing like these men, particularly these men

1197
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: with money into this group, right, what is bringing them in?

1198
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: And it'd be really unfair of me to say that

1199
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: and not talk about what the women who are joining

1200
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: the cult are getting out of this because most of

1201
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: the cult leaders I think are women or cult members

1202
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: are women, right, and they're women of all ages. They

1203
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: are really heavily recruiting younger women, but there are women

1204
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: who are in their forties and fifties who are joining too,

1205
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: and so it's important, like what are how is Nicole

1206
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: reaching them? Because I can understand the marketing to middle

1207
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: aged men thing, right, but I don't know, like what's

1208
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: drawing these because it seems like a lot of vulnerability,

1209
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: a lot of putting your body on display, a lot

1210
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: of like risk and anyway, I looked into a bunch

1211
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: of like their advertising videos and I found some of

1212
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: those that I think make that a little easier to understand.

1213
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: Sophie's going to play a video for you called Overcoming

1214
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: Depression through Orgasmic Meditation, and it shows one example of

1215
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: how the cult sold themselves to women.

1216
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: Yes, I didn't know another way of being Like I

1217
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 7: was like, oh, everybody has this, everybody has these thoughts

1218
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 7: and feelings, but you have to keep them hitting.

1219
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 5: When I see how people are treated for depression, now

1220
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 5: it breaks my heart. The very last thing you need

1221
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 5: is a diagnosis that comes onto you like an additional sentence,

1222
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: because most people who are depressed feel guilty.

1223
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 7: My whole life, I struggled with depression. I never felt

1224
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 7: a lot of joy like I didn't have a big

1225
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 7: range of emotions above sadness. I'd come home from work

1226
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 7: and lay on the couch. I would drink, I would sleep,

1227
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 7: take sinking feels, to anything to make the thoughts in

1228
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 7: my mind stop and to not have to feel what

1229
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 7: I was feeling, I'd take an anidepressance. You know, many anidepressants,

1230
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 7: many anti anxiety medications, and the best they did was

1231
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 7: just numb the feelings a little bit. The thoughts were

1232
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 7: still there, the doubt, the fear, the lack of joy

1233
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 7: or happiness was still there. So it didn't seem like

1234
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 7: those provided me with a solution. I wanted to actually

1235
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 7: have a full of the full life that I wanted

1236
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 7: to live.

1237
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: What is aimed to heal them in their depression actually

1238
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 5: just numbs them and has them feel that much more

1239
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 5: disconnected from life.

1240
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: So okay, first off, you see the pitch, are you

1241
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: depressed and sad? We have an answer. Boy. Medication isn't

1242
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: always pleasant, and it kind of the diagnosis can feel

1243
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: like an anchor. There's a lot of anti medical stuff

1244
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: in that video, right, and she describes that like many

1245
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: people are have like suffer both from the disc It's

1246
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: not just depression, is suffering people suffer, sure, but then

1247
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: when you get on the drugs, it disconnects them and

1248
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: that's the kind of suffering too, right.

1249
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: I guess it's like I it's it's very new agey

1250
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: bullshit and like trying to separate you from potential tools.

1251
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: But also I don't know. I targeting women in their

1252
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: forties and fifties is interesting to me because I'm wondering

1253
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: if if it's connected to possibly you know, when women

1254
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: hit midlife, they're treated like they don't exist as sexual

1255
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 3: beings and that that's like not something that is.

1256
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: I think so well, and especially older women in this

1257
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: period would have grown up in a time that was

1258
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: even more sexually restricted, right, and people are starting to

1259
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: talk openly. That's kind of part of why like people

1260
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: are so affected by this. Is like, if you're someone

1261
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: in that situation and you like lay down and there's

1262
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: like this hot young guy who like tells you, like

1263
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: looks at you and tells you you're beautiful and then

1264
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: starts massaging you like that, I'm not surprised a lot

1265
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,479
Speaker 2: of people get very addicted to that and they're like, yeah,

1266
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: this did more for my depression than than therapy was doing. Right,

1267
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: They would feel like that in the moment, and then

1268
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 2: it get wrapped up in a cult that causes much

1269
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: much more damage. But it's just the.

1270
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: Way that they're targeting people is very particular. That that

1271
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 3: was a freaky ad.

1272
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: It's really it's about to get freakier because Sophie's gonna play.

1273
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: You continue playing that, but from can you play? From

1274
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: one thirty two to seven from the same video Sophie.

1275
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 6: Thank you. Many have turned successfully to her gasmic meditation

1276
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 6: and attention, a training practice with defined procedures in own

1277
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 6: a partner strokes a woman's clutteress for fifteen minutes with

1278
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 6: no other goal than to feel what is present in

1279
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: the moment.

1280
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 8: Ah.

1281
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

1282
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: They did her dirty in that edit. Oh my god.

1283
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a bummer. Yeah, it is a

1284
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: little it's a it is a bummer. Yeah, it's depressing.

1285
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: Now a big thing that Nicole is doing here. She's

1286
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: recruiting and stocking her events with a lot of attractive

1287
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: young women and some attractive young men, but most of

1288
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: the guys in the group are like closer to or

1289
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: past middle age. And when those other dudes saw that,

1290
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: like the guys who were in the cult, giving clatoral

1291
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: massages to twenty two year olds who are also like

1292
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: in the cult or like just playing card games and

1293
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: laughing like close friends with these same girls. Their brains

1294
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: go right back to the eleventh grade, right only now

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01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: Nicole is there with an offer, which is pay me

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: for classes and you get to be in the end group,

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: right right, and they're you know, that's kind of part

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 2: of it, is like, yeah, you get to be cool

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: and you get to have this these new cool friends

1300
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: who are all like free with each other's bodies, with

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01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: each other, and people are just so fucking lonely, Like

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01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: this is very appealing to some folks, right, It's a bummer.

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01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: It's not. It's it is really sad, and I know

1304
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 3: it's like not necessary. It does feel like very American

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: to like monetize the idea of community like this, and

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 3: you know, just like whatever, hyper hyper target people who

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01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: are made invisible by the culture they're in and be

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: and being like Okay, you're seen, now, you're valid, you're attractive,

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: you're loved. That'll be five thousand dollars and then call

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: that unity. It's just like yeah, and a.

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01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: Big thing Nicole is doing because when she's like recruiting,

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01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: particularly the younger people who are going to like be

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 2: like doing most of the work in this is she's

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: a bit older than them, but she seems like she

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01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: has her life together. She seems like she has an identity.

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: She's offering an identity. And all you have to do

1317
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: is like a whole bunch of plaittoral massages and sometimes

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01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: open yourself sexually to a bunch of like weird older

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: men who are giving the cult money. And this kind

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: of in this period makes the transition from previously to

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01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: kind of get the things the cult needed. Nicole that

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01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: add to either sleep with directly or at least like

1323
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: offer pieces of herself up to these like older and

1324
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: wealthier men that she needed something from. Now the cult

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01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: is established increasingly, what she's going to do is these

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01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: younger women and some of the younger men she's bringing

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01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: in because she does abuse a lot of younger men

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: this way. Now, hey, the group needs you to have

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01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: sex with this person because they will spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of money if you do that. Right, That's the route

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01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: this goes on is from I am going to make

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01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: that choice for myself to I am going to kind

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: of convince other people to make that choice to make

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: me money. Right, That's the journey Nicole has gone on

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01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: in this story thus far. So one of her big

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: teachings that she's because in addition to the orgasm stuff,

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: there's always way more convoluted philosophical stuff. And she's teaching

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 2: her followers life is a game, and it should be

1339
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: viewed as a game. And in a game, you have

1340
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: to explore all the nooks and crannies and try everything

1341
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: to solve different kinds of puzzles, right, or find power

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: ups or whatever. And so when she would ask a

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01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: member to own or to have sex with somebody that

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01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: they didn't find attractive, that's a game. Oh you don't

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: like this like rich, older dude who's kind of like

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01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: weird and lecherous to you, Well, it'll be a game

1347
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: for you to figure out how to have fun, you know,

1348
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: Like that's the game. Like when what yeah, like exactly,

1349
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: And she'll do this will be very directly. When wealthy

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01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: men or women will like walk into a one Taste

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01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: event and Nicole will notice that they're like attracted to

1352
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: her hitting on a specific member of the cult, she'll

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: tell that person go flirt with them, right, maybe you

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: don't have to have sex with them right away, but

1355
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 2: convince them to like take a class to sign up.

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01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: They'll get to hang out with you, and she'll put

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: She'll give some of our followers free your discounted classes

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: to make sure they're in the same class as like

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: these dudes who were joining because they never know. Most

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: of the cult is pretty there's a lot of women

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01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: in it, but most of the people paying for classes

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: are paying to get physical access to the bodies of

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01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: the younger female cult members, and there's not enough women

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01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: paying for classes for like that. Like Nicole has to

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: constantly putting people in and that's just prostitution, right, go

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01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: in and they will pay money to touch you right right.

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01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 3: But it sounds like what if there was a model

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01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,959
Speaker 3: for sex work in which only Nicole was making money

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01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: makes money, Like that's not how that works, and that

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01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: no one has technically consented to be doing this sex work.

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Speaker 2: No. Now, a big part of the game is to

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: keep people talking about one taste, you know, hype and

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01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: a lure spread by word of mouth, and so Nicole

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: starts offering because they've got this yoga center, they offer

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: naked yoga classes which get newspapers. There's a bunch of

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: stories about it, you know, like it becomes like this

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: oh San Francisco sort of thing, right it he helps

1378
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: drive more people to the business. Maybe they come in

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: to see the naked yoga class, but they find out

1380
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: or gasmic meditation. What's that, right, and so they take

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: a class. Now, as you've probably heard by now, they're

1382
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: referring to ohm orgasmic more meditation. They're pronouncing it ohm

1383
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: like you know, the ohm right, the meditative you know

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: chant thing. At the same time, they have turned the

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01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: actual like clatoral stimulation massage thing into this almost sexless procedure.

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01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: In one of the ten books the group would publish

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: under Nicole's name, she described orgasmic meditation as quote a

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01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: structured attention training practice described in concrete terms as one

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: person stroking another's clitterist for fifteen minutes according to specific instructions,

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01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: and that language which works really well in terms of

1391
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: getting newspapers and other media organizations to treat one taste

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: very differently than they treated more House or the Welcomed Consensus,

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: both of which were described accurately as creepy, weird sex

1394
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: clubs for perverts. One taste is going to be treated

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: like a startup right, or at least like a massively

1396
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 2: popular alt health practice. And to kind of make that point,

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01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 2: here's a segment from a two thousand and nine New

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 2: York Times article by Patricia Ley Brown and Carol Pogish. Quote,

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: at seven am each day, as the rest of America

1400
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: is eating cheerios or trying to face gridlock without hyperventilating,

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: about a dozen women, naked from the waist down, lie

1402
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: with eyes closed in a velvet curtained room while clothed

1403
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: men huddle over them, stroking them at a ritual known

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01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 2: as orgasmic meditation owming for short. The couples, who may

1405
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: or may not be romantically involved, call one another research partners.

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: A commune dedicated to men and women publicly creating the

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01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,839
Speaker 2: orgasm that exists between them. In the words of one resident,

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01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: may sound like the ultimate California satire. The notion of

1409
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: a San Francisco sets commune focused on female orgasm. It's

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: part of a long and rich history of women being

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01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: public and empowered about their sexuality, said Elizabeth A. Armstrong

1412
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: and associate professor of sociology at Indiana University, who has

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: studied San Francisco's sexual subcultures, and I find that that's

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: really interesting because liked, not only did you all fall

1415
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: for it, the New York Times kind of repeated their

1416
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: ad pitch where like other people are stuck in traffic

1417
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: and going to work, you're just coming all the time.

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01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,480
Speaker 2: If you join the culture.

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: The first time, it's so it is how I mean,

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: how instantly. And I like, Nicole is really smart to

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: do this. If you're trying to do this, like just

1422
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: like co opting any feminist talking point and the history

1423
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 3: of feminism in the area is like thing number one

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01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: to do it. It's like it's from straight from the

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 3: Sandberg playbook. Yeah, like don't read too carefully.

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see the puzzle pieces, You've got the border

1427
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: set up where it's going to end up in part

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01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: three being very I see the Silicon Valley of it

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: all happening.

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 2: And as you note, Jamie, like Professor Armstrong isn't like

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 2: wrong per se sure, but also she wouldn't have described

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: Morehouse as part of a long and rich history of

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: women being public and empowered about their sexuality role. And

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: this is the same thing. They've just dressed it up

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01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,440
Speaker 2: as a text start.

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01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: Sure, and I'm curious about I mean, like what I

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: guess this does feel very like Silicon Valley, clinical to

1438
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: like mask something else but removing all of this. It's

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01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: like all of the sexy parts of sex but keeping

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01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: all of the vulnerable parts of sex. Interesting I'm trying

1441
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 3: to I mean, it's it's leading to something, obviously, but

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 3: it's just interesting how quickly we're People at the time

1443
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 3: were like, so this is great, right, yea, like the

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 3: least sexy sex that you could possibly have, and it's

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 3: expensive and.

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: It costs money. Well, part of what I want to

1447
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: be clear, it's only the classes where it's deliberately not sexy. Okay,

1448
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: outside of the classes, there's a lot of regular sex happening.

1449
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: Is we'll talk about in the next part. These people

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: are living together for a chunk of this, right, for

1451
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: a lot of this, and Nicole is also telling them

1452
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: to pair up with people that like, I think it

1453
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: would be good for you to have sex with this

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01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: guy who's gonna give us money. I think it'll be

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: a growth experience for you to like fuck this this

1456
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: guy or this lady who we need something out of it. Right,

1457
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: But that's in the that's happening underneath these public sterile

1458
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: sex demos, and so the law who comes is going

1459
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: to be like, well, whatever this is, it's not prostitution.

1460
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: They're clearly not horny, and they're ignoring all of the

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: straight up prostitution that's happening in the background right right

1462
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 2: off either, they're clearly not horny. Let's keep yeah off

1463
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: to find somebody else. It's also important I note kind

1464
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: of at the end here that the image of this

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: is that what's different about One Taste is that Nicole

1466
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: is running things. The boys aren't in charge. So this

1467
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: really is feminine and empowering. But that's not really what's

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01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: happening either, because by the time they start doing demos

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, Nicole is the stroker who's performing most

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: often in front of these large groups. That's what they

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: call it, right, And so she's often when the media

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01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: comes by, she'll often do the demo that they see

1473
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: of this these meditative techniques. But she's the only woman

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01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 2: in the cult who regularly got to perform as a

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: stroker for classes and demonstrations. The other strokers in public

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: are almost always men. Yeah.

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean she has yeah because it's like

1478
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 3: she has every other woman works under her, right, there's

1479
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: no at this point, she's she has gotten rid of

1480
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 3: everyone who can be considered to equal.

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely gonna be some other women who have

1482
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: power in the cult that start like forming because she

1483
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: has to rely and delegate a lot.

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01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, okay, Well I'm looking forward to part three.

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: Well that's part two.

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01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, guys, really, it's going to get.

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 4: All plug some pluggables.

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 3: Let's plug baby.

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01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: I Yeah.

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,959
Speaker 3: You can listen to Bachdaelcasid Weevan Housed every single week.

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 3: I've got a book coming out next year that I'll

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 3: be able to talk more about soon. I can't talk

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01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, follow me on Instagram, Jamie Christ superstar.

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,480
Speaker 3: Hell yeah yeah.

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: Excellent podcast is over.

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