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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Heer Territory Podcast. My name is Sean Coleman. Hope,

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Speaker 1: wherever you are and wherever you are listening, you are

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Speaker 1: having hopefully as good of a Tuesday night as you

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Speaker 1: possibly can. If that did, though, include watching the Braves

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Speaker 1: play their opening game of the twenty twenty four playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you if it hasn't been the best

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Speaker 1: of nights, the Braves dropping Game one of the NL

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Speaker 1: wild Card Series four to nothing. It's not necessarily surprising

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Speaker 1: that the Braves lost this game, with how their pitching

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Speaker 1: was set up against an incredibly good Michael King. It's

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Speaker 1: just the fact that the Braves, in a season where

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Speaker 1: they've had some pretty abysmal offensive showings, this ranked up

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Speaker 1: there as one of the worst. Of course, with me,

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Speaker 1: as always my podcast partner Steven Tobert and Steven again,

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Speaker 1: the result, the end result four nothing lost, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a surprise to see the result being a loss,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't make it any easier to see how

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Speaker 1: badly the Braves performed offensively in this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean? Yeah, that game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've watched that game, I don't know fifty

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Speaker 3: times this year probably more than that, where the pitching

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Speaker 3: gives the team a chance, and we're going to go

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Speaker 3: through the game, you know, line by line, of course,

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Speaker 3: but the overarching theme here is that the pitching gave

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Speaker 3: the team a chance to win, as crazy as that is,

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Speaker 3: given what the Braves had coming into the game on

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Speaker 3: the pitching side, the pitching gave the team a chance

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Speaker 3: to win, and the offense just wet the bed for

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Speaker 3: nine innings. And if I never have to watch this

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Speaker 3: the number of times this team gets a runner on

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Speaker 3: base or runner and score position and goes like take

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Speaker 3: a strike, take a strike, swing at a ball six

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Speaker 3: feet outside of the zone. Like I've seen that exact

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Speaker 3: scenario play out a thousand times this year. And every

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Speaker 3: single time the Braves got anything going on offense in

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Speaker 3: this game, which wasn't a lot, to be clear, but

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Speaker 3: anytime they had even like the twinkle of a possibility

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Speaker 3: pitch at bat with that was entirely non competitive, just

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Speaker 3: no chance. And man, we've just watched that all your

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Speaker 3: long and I'm just so I'm so tired of watching it,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, and again, the pitching did amazing, but

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Speaker 3: this offensive performance was just just miserable.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And to put some context behind it, you know,

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't surprise anyone in terms of the Braves over

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Speaker 1: the past quarter century struggling in game ones. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with this perspective. In this century, since the year two thousand,

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Speaker 1: the Braves now are six and fifteen in twenty one

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Speaker 1: playoff game ons. That's the first game of a playoff

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Speaker 1: series that the Braves played in whatever round they were

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Speaker 1: in a single season. But the thing that stands out

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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one. The Braves played three playoff rounds.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty eliminated in the NLCS. They played three

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Speaker 1: playoff rounds in twenty twenty one won the World Series.

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Speaker 1: They were five and one in game ones in those

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Speaker 1: two years, but outside of that, outside of that, they're

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Speaker 1: only one in fifteen. The Braves have not won a

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Speaker 1: game one outside of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: two year stretch was two thousand and one. So historical perspective,

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Speaker 1: the Braves struggle in their opening game of a playoff series,

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Speaker 1: but that should not take away from how historically bad

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Speaker 1: the offense was in this game. This was only the

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Speaker 1: third time in MOLB postseason history that a team struck

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Speaker 1: out fifteen or more times in a single game without

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Speaker 1: producing a walk. The Braves struck out fifteen times tonight,

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Speaker 1: did not produce a walk. That's only happened three times.

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Speaker 1: But the even more negative thing about that the Braves

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Speaker 1: have done that twice in two years now. They did

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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty two against the Phillies, they did

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Speaker 1: runs against US in Game five. So from a historical perspective,

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Speaker 1: the Braves struggle in Game one, but they were historically

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Speaker 1: bad offensively tonight. And give credit to me Michael King,

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Speaker 1: he was historically good in his start. But the point

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Speaker 1: that I'm getting at is is that it didn't matter

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Speaker 1: who was on the mound. The pitching did its job.

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Speaker 1: The Braves pitching staff gave them a chance to win

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Speaker 1: for the majority of the game, but the offense was

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Speaker 2: Not Yeah, and listen, Michael King is good. Michael King

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Speaker 3: He's got like a three ERA for the season, you know,

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Speaker 3: for the regular season, he had like a FIP that

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Speaker 3: But he's a good picture. You know, he's not like

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Speaker 3: prime Randy Johnson, like he's very good. He's a very

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Speaker 3: good pitcher. But the Braves offense tonight looked like what

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Speaker 3: they look like was is when the varsity like stud

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Speaker 3: pitcher has an inner squad game with like the JV team.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Braves look like. They look like they

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Speaker 3: Team playing against the varsities like Ace and just I

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Speaker 3: mean swinging at pitches in the other batter's box, swing

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Speaker 3: at of pitches almost to the on deck circle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so Laire swung at.

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Speaker 3: A pitch that almost hit him, probably would have hit

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Speaker 3: him if he didn't swing at it. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the all the rights and we're gonna talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit about the platoon stuff that bothers me with his team,

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Speaker 3: but all the right's going up against that you know, sweeper,

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Speaker 3: that slider that King has. He could have thrown that

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Speaker 3: have swung at it. He could have thrown the rosen

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Speaker 1: Like it.

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Speaker 3: It was just infuriated. It's infuriating to watch. And again,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't I don't want to

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Speaker 3: take away from Michael King. He is a very good pitcher.

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Speaker 3: But I've watched this offense do this against atrocious pitchers

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Speaker 3: all year, like I've watched Austin Gomber dominate this team,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I could pick seven more examples of

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Speaker 3: Braves lineup because they're the offensive approach is just I

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Speaker 3: don't know what's happened to this. I don't know what's

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Speaker 3: happened to this franchise offensively, Like I don't understand, like

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Speaker 3: something is broken. I don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 3: something is broken because we have literally watched this exact

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Speaker 3: game all season long, and it's not just the injuries.

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Speaker 3: Do not tell me it's the injuries. The injuries are

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Speaker 3: part of it, but there are still millions and millions

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Speaker 3: consistently look like they're just lost. And I don't I

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Speaker 3: don't understand why. And like you said, it happens. I

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Speaker 3: mean with this franchise, it seems like it happens every

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Speaker 3: anytime we get into the postseason, the Braves offense just disappears.

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Speaker 3: It's just gone. It doesn't matter how good it was.

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Speaker 3: It could be twenty twenty three, it could be the

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Speaker 3: greatest offense we've ever seen. It could be this year

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Speaker 3: where it's been a pretty bad offense for most of

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Speaker 3: the year, or anywhere in between. It doesn't matter. When

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Speaker 3: the postseason, but like it goes down at a market

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna rant here. It's just frustrating. It's very frustrating

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Speaker 3: after having watched this for six months now and not

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Speaker 3: a single adjustment, Like, not a single adjustment has been

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Speaker 3: made by any hitter. No one is like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm tired of making myself look like an idiot every

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Speaker 3: not a single The next adjustment a braves hitter makes

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Speaker 2: And it just dry. It drives me crazy, quite honestly.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Lang some who is to me the foremost mined

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Speaker 1: in baseball when it comes to, you know, looking at

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Speaker 1: to as a pitching staff produced fifteen plus strikeouts without

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Speaker 1: just a bad Braves performance. It was a historically bad.

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Speaker 2: Not a single not a single walk. Yeah again, Michael

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Speaker 2: King is a really good pitcher.

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Speaker 3: But he he does walk people like like again, a

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Speaker 3: nine percent walk grade is not like a great walkerate

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Speaker 3: Braves did not come close anytime they got even to

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Speaker 3: like a three to two county. I literally he could

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Speaker 3: swung at it like it's it's infuriating.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it goes to show what we've talked about

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Speaker 1: all season long, right we you know, part of the

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Speaker 1: equation for the braves offensive struggles this year has been

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Speaker 1: under performance they they did in terms of the underlying

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Speaker 1: they hit the ball hard. When the Braves hit the

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Speaker 1: it did not go out of the park like it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to. But that was during the regular season.

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Speaker 1: The other major major difference that deflated the offense this

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Speaker 1: that has been a key. We can talk about twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four in a single season offensively, maybe this is

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Speaker 1: an outlier. Maybe if we get our best hitters back

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Speaker 1: like Akunya and Riley you know will be better. But

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Speaker 1: the one thing that does stand out is that it

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Speaker 1: clearly is a trend. When the Braves make the postseason

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Speaker 1: and other pitching staffs, quality pitching staffs have an easier

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Speaker 3: But even then he didn't have great command. Brad said

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Speaker 3: of the three it should be and which of the

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Speaker 3: three shouldn't be. I don't know where these strong opinions

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Speaker 3: are coming from. Like all of these guys were a

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Speaker 3: bad choice. I mean no disrespect to these guys, but

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Speaker 3: like we've seen what Bryce Elder does in these moments.

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Speaker 3: AJ's had a really up and down here with Gwinnette.

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Speaker 3: He's been walking a lot of guys. Ian Anderson has

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Speaker 3: been walking a ton of people in Gwinnett. He's had

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Speaker 3: a really up and down, like none of these were great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this was just a night of bad options.

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Speaker 3: This was the penalty for not beating Kansas City on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and then you could have saved Spincher Swallenbach. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we didn't know back then that Chris Sale was not

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Speaker 3: going to pitch in this series. But you know, you

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Speaker 3: beat Kansas City on Sunday, you don't have to pitch

448
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Speaker 3: Swallenbach on yesterday, and he could have pitched this game.

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Speaker 3: But again, even if Spincher Swallenbach pitches this game and

450
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Speaker 3: throws eight shutout innings, the Brave scored zero runs. You

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Speaker 3: know how many times in history a team is won

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Speaker 3: with zero runs zero. You can't win a game if

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Speaker 3: you don't score, it doesn't it doesn't matter until the

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Speaker 3: offense wakes up, it doesn't matter. And yes, Aaron Bumer

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Speaker 3: was fantastic. And I felt somewhat vindicated by the fact

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Speaker 3: that Aaron Butmer was fantastic because I've been trying to

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Speaker 3: tell people all year that I thought he's very good.

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Speaker 3: I know he had some crazy you know bat at

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Speaker 3: Balllock this year. The opponents had like a four to

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Speaker 3: twenty you know, babbit against him this year, but all

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Speaker 3: of his underlying metrics are incredible, Like he's a really

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Speaker 3: good pitcher, and he looked great tonight and Jesse chob

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Speaker 3: is good and you know, Luke Jackson hung a slider,

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Speaker 3: but other than that, he looked pretty good. And even

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Speaker 3: if you take ajs ms Schwelver out of the equation completely,

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Speaker 3: that hanging slider that Jackson threw for a homer that

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Speaker 3: would have been enough to win the game for the Padres.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the pitching is not the story.

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Speaker 3: Like, it is great that the Braves have Max Reid

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Speaker 3: and all their best relievers lined up for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It does give them a chance to win the game,

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Speaker 3: But if the offense is going to do this, then

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Nothing else matters because they can't win.

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Speaker 1: Like that and agree. You know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we can look at this all that we

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Speaker 1: want to, but the offense has to show up. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about tomorrow's game, because to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: there's not much more we can cover about tonight's game

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Speaker 1: because you know, hey, the pitching was okay to good,

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Speaker 1: and there's just nothing positive to say about the offense.

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Speaker 1: But the big thing here is that the Braves are

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Speaker 1: facing elimination. I'm trying to find as we speak how

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Speaker 1: the Braves have done in elimination games here in recent history.

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Speaker 1: But the Braves are facing elimination if the offense shows

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Speaker 1: up like it has for the majority of the past

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Speaker 1: what five months. The Braves offseason is going to start Thursday,

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Speaker 1: But in this pitching matchup Max Freed versus Joe Muskrove,

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Speaker 1: you have to feel as if the Braves do have

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Speaker 1: the advantage. In five career starts across twenty nine innings,

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Speaker 1: Maxfreed has a two point three zero er against the Padres.

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Speaker 1: You also have to think that there's an extra motivation

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Speaker 1: for Max Freed as well, in that he probably doesn't

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Speaker 1: want this to be his last start as a Brave

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Speaker 1: as we enter the off season where he's going to

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Speaker 1: be a free agent and likely will be headed elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: And hey, maybe a little bit of extra motivation with

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Speaker 1: the fact that he'll be facing the team that originally

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Speaker 1: drafted him and traded him away to the Braves. It

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Speaker 1: was the Padres who originally drafted Max Freed. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be plenty of motivation for Max Free to come out

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Speaker 1: and have a great start for Atlanta. So I feel

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Speaker 1: strongly the pitching is going to be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: Shop it comes down, as we continued to say to

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Speaker 1: the offense. But Steven, it seems like it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a bit of an easier matchup for the Braves when

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Speaker 1: you compare Joe Musgrove to what we saw Michael King

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Speaker 1: do on Tuesday Night and what we saw Dylan and

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Speaker 1: Ceased do earlier this year, I think the Braves have

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Speaker 1: to feel a bit better about their chances against Joe

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Speaker 1: Musgrove if they can make the most of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Musselm. We looked up the career stats before

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Speaker 3: the podcast and Joe Musgrove has faced the Braves eight

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Speaker 3: times in his career. It's got a like a four

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Speaker 3: to two nine year a So, you know, nothing nothing great,

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Speaker 3: nothing terrible. It's just been kind of an average picture

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Speaker 3: for the you know when he's faced the Braves. You know,

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Speaker 3: this year for the Padres, he's had a I would

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Speaker 3: say he's had a slightly you know, he kind of

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Speaker 3: had a step back season. He was really good last

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Speaker 3: year and then this year. I think he's got an

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Speaker 3: era and like the FoST of the fours for the season.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you look at their three pitchers, Michael King,

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Speaker 3: Joe Muscove, Dylan Cee Muscrove certainly had the worst year

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Speaker 3: out of those three guys. So theoretically, you know, just

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Speaker 3: off those numbers, you would think this is the Braves'

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Speaker 3: best chance to score because remember, they got Dylan Ceese

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Speaker 3: for Wednesday's game, if they even make it to that game.

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Speaker 3: They got Dylan Cees to go against a Wednesday's game,

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Speaker 3: and he dominated the Braves unlike maybe any pitcher I've

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Speaker 3: seen in a long time, earlier this year when the

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Speaker 3: Braves were in San Diego. So you gotta win tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's Joe Musgrove on the mountain. You have

534
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Speaker 3: had some success against him in the past. Like Sean said,

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Speaker 3: Max Freed has had success against the Padres. The Padres

536
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Speaker 3: this year have not done well against left handed pitching.

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Speaker 3: We saw that when Aaron Bummer came in the game.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is why I was so bummed that

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Speaker 3: Chris Sale couldn't pitch, because if it was Chris Sale

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Speaker 3: and Max Freed and Aaron Bummer and Dylan Lee and

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Speaker 3: even if a j Minche was available, Like you could

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Speaker 3: have seen a world where the Braves really could have

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Speaker 3: shut down the Padres offense all day together. Now, the

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Speaker 3: Rays still got to score at some point, of course,

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Speaker 3: but you know the fact that they have Max going tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: the fact that they have Dylan Lee available tomorrow, there

547
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Speaker 3: is a chance that the Braves can really shut down

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Speaker 3: the Padres lineup. They just got to somewhere score and

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Speaker 3: if they would score enough to maybe give even a

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Speaker 3: little margin of error, that would be tremendous. But at

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Speaker 3: this point, I'll think anything, I'll take a two run

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Speaker 3: homer and hope that Max can make it stand up.

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Speaker 2: That might be their best chance to win tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the pitching matchup is definitely in favor of

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Speaker 3: the Braves. Max Reed's a better pitcher than Joe Musgrove.

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Speaker 3: Max has had good success against the Padres. The Padres

557
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Speaker 3: have not hit left handed pitching well this year. They're

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Speaker 3: like nineteenth or twentieth in baseball against lefties this year.

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Speaker 3: So that's a good matchup. That's a really good matchup

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Speaker 3: on that side of the ball. Now, can the offense

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Speaker 3: show up in a way that it really hasn't shown

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Speaker 3: up all year.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the thing that I'll say is this is

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Speaker 1: to your point in a way that it has not

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Speaker 1: shown up all year. Agree that it it definitely more

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Speaker 1: often than not, has struggled. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: a couple of factors that could come into play in

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Speaker 1: this game do favor the Braves if they can simply

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Speaker 1: take advantage of it. Again, I've been a broken record,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for being so repetitive when it comes

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Speaker 1: to me mentioned in this, but over the past two months,

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Speaker 1: the Braves have quite a bit, at least more frequently

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Speaker 1: than they did. It felt like in May, June, and July.

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Speaker 1: When the Braves have found their backs against the wall,

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Speaker 1: they have come back. They bounced back to be able

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Speaker 1: to you know, put themselves in a better than expected

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Speaker 1: position as a reaction to are really negative occurrence the

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Speaker 1: Rockies game, Austin Riley's injury, a few other times, you know,

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Speaker 1: coming off that losing three out of four against the

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Speaker 1: Phillies and the series, you know, the Dodgers' losses. Each

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Speaker 1: time they bounce back, I think they could potentially do

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Speaker 1: it again, especially with Max Breed on the mound. But

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons why I think they may have

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Speaker 1: a bit better luck against Musgrove is that Michael Harris

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Speaker 1: the Second had two more hits tonight. He has been

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Speaker 1: a huge catalyst at the top of the order for

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Speaker 1: the Braves over the past six weeks, and the Braves'

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Speaker 1: ability to produce offense early in games has certainly skyrocketed.

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Speaker 1: It's looked more their ability to score early in games

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Speaker 1: has looked much closer to the twenty twenty three Braves

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Speaker 1: offense than the rest of twenty twenty four did basically

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Speaker 1: before mid August. So the Braves ability to score runs

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Speaker 1: early in the game in recent weeks I think could

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Speaker 1: become a better potential in this game. Also consider the

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Speaker 1: fact that Joe Musgrove has given up nine home runs

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Speaker 1: across his nineteen starts. In the first three innings of

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Speaker 1: those nineteen games, if you combine his outings and you

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Speaker 1: look at the first three innings of each of his outings,

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Speaker 1: he's given up nine home runs in that span. So

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Speaker 1: if every other game he's given up a home run

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Speaker 1: in the first three innings, if the Braves can find

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Speaker 1: some success, if they could convert a run scoring opportunity

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Speaker 1: or hit a couple of balls hard in the firstree

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Speaker 1: innings and give Max breed to lead to work with.

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Speaker 1: That could lead to good results. And against Stephen, I

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Speaker 1: think that it's going to be a bit easier to

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Speaker 1: be against Joe Musgrove. They just got to be locked

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Speaker 1: in and put together productive of bats early in the

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Speaker 1: game like they did tonight, but actually get some runs

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Speaker 1: across the plate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's that simple. I think Max will

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Speaker 3: have a good game. I think he does have quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of motivation because it could be the last

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Speaker 3: time he ever wears that uniform. It could be the

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Speaker 3: last time he ever has the you know, the Braves

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Speaker 3: logo across his chest. If it doesn't go, if it

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Speaker 3: doesn't go well next two days, then Max is probably

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Speaker 3: done in a Braves uniform. So I do think he'll

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Speaker 3: be highly motivated. We saw what he did last time

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Speaker 3: out against the Royals, where he basically threw a complete

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Speaker 3: game shut out. He came out one out short. I

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Speaker 3: like the match up a ton against the Padres, who

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Speaker 3: struggled against left handed pitching. All that looks great, and

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Speaker 3: I love the Braves matchup in that regard. I just

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Speaker 3: have zero confidence that the offense is going to do anything,

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Speaker 3: even against Joe Musgrove, who they've had success against in

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Speaker 3: the past. But like, there's just something about the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four offense that is fundamentally broken. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is. Injuries are part of it, but injuries

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Speaker 3: are not all of it. And just the approach this

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Speaker 3: team takes to the plate every single game, every single

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Speaker 3: at bat, swinging from their heels no matter the situation,

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Speaker 3: trying to hit a home mount on every single pitch,

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Speaker 3: regardless of where that pitch is. It drives me insane.

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Speaker 3: And until they fix that, until they can actually put

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Speaker 3: up some competitive major league you know, caliber at bats

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Speaker 3: and big situations, I'm afraid there's going to be a

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Speaker 3: very short postseason run.

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Speaker 2: For the Braves.

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Speaker 3: If they do it tomorrow and they and they come

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Speaker 3: back to life, then great, it'll be fantastic, And we

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: got a real shot on Wednesday. But if that, if

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Speaker 3: the offensive team that showed up in today's game, and

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Speaker 3: it showed up most of the season, comes to the

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Speaker 3: park tomorrow, then tomorrow night's podcast with Brad and Scott

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Speaker 3: is going to be essentially a post mortal on the season.

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephen so let's have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: trivia here. How many elimination games have the Braves played

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Speaker 1: in in the playoffs over the past twenty five years

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Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety nine?

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Speaker 2: How many elimination games?

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Speaker 1: How many how many games had the break? How many

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Speaker 1: playoff games had the Braves played in where they were

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Speaker 1: facing elimination.

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember famously they did not face an elimination

657
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Speaker 3: game in twenty twenty one. I remember that stat. So

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Speaker 3: let me think they've been to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: What year did you say over the past twenty five years?

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Speaker 3: Twenty five years, so nineteen ninety nine, So they've been

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs probably twenty one of those years, twenty

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Speaker 3: two of those years. So if you you know, if

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Speaker 3: you average like one or two per year, I'll say

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Speaker 3: they've played in I don't know, thirty thirty something elimination games.

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Speaker 1: Well, they had, they have since nineteen ninety so yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that that would that would be a pretty good number.

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Speaker 1: They're twelve to nineteen in elimination games since nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: but over the past twenty five years. Tomorrow will be

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Speaker 1: their nineteenth elimination game nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Ok.

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Speaker 1: They are three and fifteen over their past twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: eighteen times they faced an elimination, three times they've won

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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the way you set that up, I thought that

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Speaker 3: was going to be a more positive stat. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna lie I got sucked into that. You kind of

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Speaker 3: you got me with that one, because I was thinking

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Speaker 3: this was going to be, like, you know, you're the

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Speaker 3: more positive one of the podcasts. I was thinking, like, Okay,

680
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Speaker 3: Sean's gonna come in here with a nice positive, you

681
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Speaker 3: know stat to really boost me up. I was not

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Speaker 3: expecting like another sucker punch like that. So that one hurt.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna liya, Sean, that one hurt.

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Speaker 1: And so, but I mean it goes to show, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're you're in the fourteen straight division titles, we

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Speaker 1: only win one World se during these seven now seven

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Speaker 1: straight playoff runs, the offense more often than not, has

688
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: been you know, not good versus good. The reason why

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Speaker 1: is because it's how you start and how you finish

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Speaker 1: in playoff series, right, and the Braves have not started

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Speaker 1: out playoff series well. The Braves have not fared well

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Speaker 1: in elimination games.

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Speaker 3: So until people they don't, they don't, they don't do

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Speaker 3: game ones well, and they don't do elimination games.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a pretty hard formula.

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Speaker 3: To not I'm starting to pick up why the Braves

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Speaker 3: don't have a lot of success in October.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely. Again, if anybody asks you why the Braves

699
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Speaker 1: over the past some odd years have not done well

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, well it's because they went about thirty

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Speaker 1: percent of their game ones and they went about twenty

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Speaker 1: percent of their elimination games. So until those trends stop,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to find success. So listen. I

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Speaker 1: know I like to be positive. I enjoy it, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it just comes down

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Speaker 1: to the truth and it's hard to deny that the

707
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Braves once again are seeing things line up. And I

708
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: know this year that there may be more reasons outside

709
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Speaker 1: of their control that things are not happening, But in

710
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: terms of what they can control, they were historically bad

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Speaker 1: in Game one, They've been very bad compared to recent years.

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Speaker 1: All season long. We're asking them tomorrow to do something

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Speaker 1: we've seen them do time and time again, but they've

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Speaker 1: not done it consistently. So hopefully we'll be surprised. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: the offense will get Max Reid in an early lead,

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Speaker 1: He'll be able to work with it. We'll be able

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Speaker 1: to sit there and have our bullpen work as well

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Speaker 1: short in the game and get a win and still

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Speaker 1: sit up Ronaldo Lopez to be pretty to be in

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Speaker 1: a pretty good position with some of our bullpen arms

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Speaker 1: per game three. I think there's a good chance that

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Speaker 1: could happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Ray

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Speaker 1: once again struggle in an elimination game and again our

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Speaker 1: off season starts on Thursday. Stephen, do you have anything

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Speaker 1: else for us as we wrap up this edition of

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I feel like they've done. I feel

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Speaker 3: like when the Braves do play in the postseason. I

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: don't know why this is anecdotal. I don't have any numbers.

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Speaker 3: I feel like they lose game one. I feel like

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Speaker 3: a lot of times they come back and win game

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Speaker 3: two pretty frequently. I remember the last two years because

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Speaker 3: the Phillies, that's exactly what happened. They lost Game one

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Speaker 3: at home and came back in one game two. So

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Speaker 3: I do have some confidence that this.

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Speaker 2: Team can go and win a game two tomorrow. Again.

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Speaker 3: They have Max Reid on the Mount and they have

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Speaker 3: all their best.

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Speaker 2: Relievers ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that confidence comes from given the offense,

741
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Speaker 3: but I just for some reason, I feel like this

742
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: series is gonna come down to the Braves having to

743
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Speaker 3: beat Dylan Ceas on Wednesday, and at this point I

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00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: would love for that to happen because.

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Speaker 2: That means they win tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna end this podcast with some positivity. I

747
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: know this was a negative show because of the game

748
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Speaker 3: we just watched, but I'm gonna end the show with

749
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Speaker 3: some positivity. I think the Braves win tomorrow. I like

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Speaker 3: the matchup. It's a good matchup for the Braves, great

751
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: matchup for Max. Bullpens back to being norm It's kind

752
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: of a much more normal game. Game one was a

753
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: very abnormal game, and I think the offense might come

754
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Speaker 3: out and score like three or four runs and Max

755
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: mix it hold up. That's my prediction for Game two.

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Speaker 3: I'm deciding to end this show positively. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Steve, and I'm so proud of you. We have reversed.

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Speaker 1: We have reversed roles.

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Speaker 3: That was a big That was a big deal for me.

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00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: I'm not normally like that.

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Speaker 1: And do you want a bit more reason to have positivity?

762
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Speaker 2: I would love them, I would love another reason.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. Over the past twenty five years, the Braves

764
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Speaker 1: have had twenty two game twos. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: guess what their record is?

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Speaker 2: And there here we go.

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Speaker 3: This is where I thought you were going the front. Yeah,

768
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Speaker 3: give me this, this is what I want.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know what their record is in

770
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Speaker 1: those game twos? Those twenty two game twos over the

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Speaker 1: past twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five years, fifteen and seven, eight, that was a guess.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen and four, eighteen and four, that's a great step four.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact.

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Speaker 3: That's what's That's a good way to end the podcast, right,

776
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: like eighteen and four in game twos, Max on the mound,

777
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: all the relievers were ending the show.

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Speaker 2: With some positivity.

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00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Seventeen and two over their past nineteen game.

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Speaker 3: Twos, seventeen, seventeen and two over the last nineteen Okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: those are strong.

782
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: Those are strong numbers.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to come true for the Braves tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be their success in game tubes

785
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: or is it going to be their struggles in elimination games? Again,

786
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: over the past twenty five years. The Braves are eighteen

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Speaker 1: and four in game two, seventeen and two of the

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Speaker 1: last nineteen game tunes they played in, but three and

789
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: fifteen in elimination games. We'll see what they can do.

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Speaker 1: I think I feel like they'll get to win. I

791
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to end the show on some

792
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: positivity too. I feel if they'll get to win, the

793
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: offense has to show up. I believe the pitching wheel

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Speaker 1: and if the offense can show up tomorrow and the

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Speaker 1: pitching can get the job done, we'll have the momentum

796
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Speaker 1: going into Game three and we'll see what can occur.

797
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Speaker 1: But if there's one last to end on, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take much for the offense to be better

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Speaker 1: than it was on Tuesday Night. Steven, I know I'd

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Speaker 1: probably just ask this, but I'll ask again. Any final

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Speaker 1: thoughts as we wrap up this edition of the Hammer

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Speaker 1: Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 2: No, I'll use this one to plug the show.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, we are gonna cover every game that gets played

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00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: in the postseason. We'll have a show after each one.

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Speaker 3: Brad and Scott will do a show. I'm fairly certain

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Speaker 3: I think that's the plan tomorrow and then obviously, if

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Speaker 3: Game three happens, we'll have a show on Thursday, and

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Speaker 3: if some miracle they win those two games, then we'll

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Speaker 3: do you know, obviously the NLDS against the Dodgers as well,

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Speaker 3: every single game that they play, we will have a

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Speaker 3: show after.

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Speaker 2: So make sure you're subscribed.

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Speaker 3: We do have a YouTube channel that has taken off

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Speaker 3: recently in terms of our subscribers, which helps us a ton.

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Speaker 3: We are gonna do a lot more video We started

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00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: doing that at the end of the year. That'll be

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00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: something we do a lot more next year. So make

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Speaker 3: sure you're subscribed on YouTube obviously, anywhere you get podcasts,

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Speaker 3: and we are supremely grateful for the support that we've.

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Speaker 2: Gotten all year.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if Sean and

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Speaker 3: I will have another show for the twenty twenty four season,

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00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: quite honestly, so I do want to say that we

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00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: are extremely grateful for an awesome year, and you guys

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Speaker 3: have been tremendous.

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Speaker 1: Steven, your positivity is just energized me.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't know what's happening to. We got

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00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: a couple of beers. I feel good. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what's happening to listen.

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Speaker 1: If you can end the podcast in a positive note

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Speaker 1: that gives me face this faith this Braves offense can

833
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: turn into the twenty twenty three regular season version of

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Speaker 1: itself in this postseason. I'm going to end it with that,

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Speaker 1: but all joking aside. Thanks so much for the support.

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Speaker 1: Of course, make sure you check out the Foul Territory

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00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: family of podcasts, which Hammer Territory is extremely proud to

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Speaker 1: be a part of. So many team podcasts under the

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Speaker 1: foul Territory Family of podcasts as well, many of which

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00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: are in the postseason. Make sure you subscribe wherever you

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00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. Also make sure you subscribe on

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00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: YouTube as well. You know, hey, you know you may

843
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: see more frequent video versions of the podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: But cannot thank you enough for the support. This is

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00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: not a sign off for me and Steven for the season. Again,

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: if you've listened to the last five minutes of this podcast,

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00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: we're ending in on a positive note. The Braves are

848
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna get the victory tomorrow and we'll see how that

849
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: sets up for Game three on Thursday. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: you can find Steven at be under Square Outliers on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: slash slash x myself at stats sac Hammer Territory, across

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Speaker 1: all forms of social media at Hammer Territory, Brad Rowland

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00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: and Scott Coleman will be with you no matter what.

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Speaker 1: After game two tomorrow, stay with us. Hopefully we're gonna

855
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: have plenty more games to discuss. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: the braise, We'll talk to you again soon here on

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast