WEBVTT - Errol Flynn "When You're a Star"

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<v Speaker 1>This show contains mature content and adult themes. It may

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<v Speaker 1>not be suitable for young audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty seventeen, Harvey Weinstein was outed as a serial

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuser. Many brave women came forward and told their stories.

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<v Speaker 2>They exposed one of Hollywood's most powerful moguls as a

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<v Speaker 2>vicious sexual predator who operated horrifically and seemingly without consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>But Weinstein was standing on the shoulders of monsters. For

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<v Speaker 2>so many years, those monsters remained unchecked in Hollywood, shielded

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<v Speaker 2>by the millions of dollars they made for their studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex for fame is not new. In fact, it's as

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<v Speaker 2>old as Hollywood itself. Today, we'll look at Errol Flynn,

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden Age movie star who, at the peak of

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<v Speaker 2>his stardom at age thirty three, was charged in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty two with three counts of statutory rape of his users,

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy Satterley, claimed that in nineteen forty one, when she

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<v Speaker 2>was fifteen years old, Flynn invited her to his boat,

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<v Speaker 2>spiked her drink with liquor, and reaped her. At the

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<v Speaker 2>time of his trial, Flynn was one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>well known actors in Hollywood. He was famous for films

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<v Speaker 2>such as the Adventures of Robin Hood released in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight, The Seahawk released in nineteen forty, and Die

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<v Speaker 2>Bomber in nineteen forty one, among many others, and that

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<v Speaker 2>fame clearly influenced what happened during his trial. Today, using

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<v Speaker 2>research from the Variety Archives, will take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>how celebrity can impact a trial and how this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of influence over a jury has been happening for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>From Variety and iHeart Podcasts, I'm Tracy Patton. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the secret history of the Casting Couch. Today's episode When

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<v Speaker 2>You're a Star with Me Today is Matt Donnelly, Variety's

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<v Speaker 2>senior Entertainment and Media writer. Welcome, Matt, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>So much for having me. I'm really interested today to

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<v Speaker 3>dig into our first actor that we're discussing on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and it's about time.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it that drives some A list actors, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>to commit sexual assault?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it ego or.

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<v Speaker 2>Power or maybe it's just because they think they're a

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<v Speaker 2>star and they can get away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a really toxic combination of everything you

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<v Speaker 3>just mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to put aero Flynn in his dalliances with young women.

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<v Speaker 2>In perspective, let's look at an infamous sex scandal in

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood at the time. As Vanity Fair described it, the

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<v Speaker 2>Patricia Douglas case in nineteen thirty seven is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest best suppressed scandal in Hollywood history. Then as now,

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<v Speaker 2>money is often the driving force behind most bad behavior

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<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood. In nineteen thirty seven, near the peak of

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<v Speaker 2>the depression, MGM Studios grossed fourteen million dollars, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be about three hundred and twenty eight million dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>This was far more than its rivals and twice the

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<v Speaker 2>money the studio had made the previous year.

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<v Speaker 4>Studio chief Louis B.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayer announced that MGM's annual five day sales convention would

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<v Speaker 2>be held in Culver City. He promised the studios two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred or so national sales force a super special production.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Vanity Fair, after a long drunken train trip,

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<v Speaker 2>the salesman arrived in Los Angeles and immediately began groping

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<v Speaker 2>the starlets who were tasked with pinning carnations on their lapels.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those so called starlets was Patricia Douglas. Unlike

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<v Speaker 2>the girls in the Flynn rape trials, Douglas was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years old, in other words, over the age of legal consent.

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<v Speaker 2>She was, however, very much on the Hollywood scene before that,

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<v Speaker 2>dating movie and stage stars like Dick Powell and William

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<v Speaker 2>Frawley while still under age. Supposedly, famed comic Jimmy Duranty

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<v Speaker 2>was so smitten with her that he tried to convince

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<v Speaker 2>her mother to allow him to marry Patricia, who was

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<v Speaker 2>just fifteen years old. At the Big Sales Convention, Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't subtle about the festivities he was offering his sales team.

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<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair reported that he told the hundreds of inebriated revelers,

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<v Speaker 2>these lovely girls, and you have the finest of them

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<v Speaker 2>to greet you, and that's to show you how we

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<v Speaker 2>feel about you, and the kind of a good time

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<v Speaker 2>that's ahead of you. Anything you want. Douglas was one

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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred and twenty young female dancers dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>cowboy hats, bolero jackets, and short skirts and transported to

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<v Speaker 2>a large banquet hall. Vanity Fair described the nightmarish situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Salesmen mistook the professional dancers for party favors and treated

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<v Speaker 2>them accordingly, without telephones or transportation, the young women had

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<v Speaker 2>no means of escape. Tricked into attendance, then trapped into service,

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<v Speaker 2>they were left to fend for themselves. A waiter at

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<v Speaker 2>the event later testified that the party was the worst,

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<v Speaker 2>the wildest, and the rot I have ever seen. The

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<v Speaker 2>men's attitude was very rough. They were running their hands

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<v Speaker 2>over the girl's bodies and tried to force liquor on

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<v Speaker 2>the girls. That night, according to Patricia Douglas, one of

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<v Speaker 2>those drunken MGM salesmen raped her, and when she tried

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<v Speaker 2>to press charges, she discovered the power of the Hollywood Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>LA District Attorney Buron Fits had been elected shortly after

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<v Speaker 2>having beaten an indictment for perjury in a rape case

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<v Speaker 2>involving a sixteen year old girl. A top contributor to

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<v Speaker 2>his campaign was none other than Louis B.

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<v Speaker 4>Mayer.

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<v Speaker 2>What followed Patricia Douglas's attempts to receive justice was a

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<v Speaker 2>sadly familiar campaign of studio finance, publicity, blaming and shaming

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<v Speaker 2>the victim. The accused salesman was never charged, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Really interesting insight into sort of a blueprint for a

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<v Speaker 3>studio covering up an horrific crime like this. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about Errol Flynn's career.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, Errol Flynn was probably best known for

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<v Speaker 2>starring in the Adventures of Robinhood in nineteen thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>That same year, Life magazine named him the most famous

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<v Speaker 2>man in America. He was in more than fifty A

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<v Speaker 2>List films and almost always played the lead. He was

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<v Speaker 2>under contract at Warner Brothers for twenty years and made

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<v Speaker 2>millions for them. Eventually, Flynn bought eight and a half

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<v Speaker 2>acres on Mulholland Drive. He built a sprawling, two story

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<v Speaker 2>colonial party palace in the Hollywood Hills and called it

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<v Speaker 2>Mulholland Farm. It was a perfect secluded spot for his

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<v Speaker 2>debauchery and sexual escapades.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Warner Brothers first took a big chance on

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<v Speaker 3>Earl in nineteen thirty five, at the start of his career.

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<v Speaker 3>They gave him a lead in this pirate adventure movie

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<v Speaker 3>called Captain Blood. I also believe he's synonymous with the

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<v Speaker 3>word swashbuckling.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right, Matt, and it was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>hit that led to starring roles in a list films

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<v Speaker 2>with the biggest names of the day. His co stars

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<v Speaker 2>included Betty Davis, Olivia de Haviland, and Barbara Stanwick. He

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<v Speaker 2>was also one of Hollywood's most self destructive stars.

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<v Speaker 4>He would try.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost anything, at least once he started smoking weed in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties. He claimed cocaine was an aphrodisiac. He

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<v Speaker 2>told his friend, the British actor David Niven, that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>tried every drug there was except heroin, but mainly Errol

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn liked to drink. He was a regular at the

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities only nightclubs on the Sunset Strip, and his drunken

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<v Speaker 2>brawls there were reported in gossip columns nationwide. After the

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<v Speaker 2>bars closed, he might take the party with him up

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<v Speaker 2>to his mansion on Mulholland and go all night at

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<v Speaker 2>the studio. In the mornings, he'd secretly keep up his

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<v Speaker 2>consumption by injecting oranges with vodka.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually kind of impressive and amazing that he could

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<v Speaker 3>keep this up for that long.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, But then toward the end of nineteen forty two

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<v Speaker 2>things started to unravel. On Saturday, September twenty sixth, Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>attended a party at the mansion of Jack McAvoy, one

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<v Speaker 2>of his closest friends. They were celebrating Jack's pending divorce

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<v Speaker 2>from his wife, a standard oil heiress. Like Flynn, McAvoy

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<v Speaker 2>was an adventurer, a world traveler, and thanks to his

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<v Speaker 2>soon to be ex wife, Filthy rich. The two men

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<v Speaker 2>also shared a compulsion for cocktails and female company. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a small party with maybe ten or twelve people,

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<v Speaker 2>including a number of attractive young women. Errol Flynn was

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<v Speaker 2>playing tennis when Cheechy Nap, Flynn's young friend from the studio,

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<v Speaker 2>showed up uninvited. He had brought along a blonde girl

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of Betty Hanson. Betty was new in town,

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<v Speaker 2>straight from Lincoln, Nebraska. Like so many others, she had

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<v Speaker 2>come to Hollywood in search of movie stardom. The next day,

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<v Speaker 2>Betty told her married sister about meeting the famous Errol Flynn.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that he gave her cocktails and then took

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<v Speaker 2>her upstairs and, as she put it, seduced her. Betty

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<v Speaker 2>had just turned seventeen six days earlier on September twenty first,

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<v Speaker 2>the age of consent was eighteen. Outraged, her sister contacted

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<v Speaker 2>the District Attorney's office to file a complaint against Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the DA's investigators were concerned, there was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing unusual about the fact that Errol Flynn had had

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<v Speaker 2>sex with a young woman. He was known for that. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the big news here was that Betty was underage. That

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<v Speaker 2>meant that they now had a huge Hollywood star on

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<v Speaker 2>account of statutory rape, or so they thought. Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>County DA John Dockweiler took the charge to a grand jury,

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<v Speaker 2>but after hearing from Betty Chee Chee and other witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>the jury declined to indict Eryl Flynn.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course it's hard to know whether the jury's

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<v Speaker 3>decision was based on insufficient evidence or because Flynn was

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<v Speaker 3>a huge star.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and in the end it did matter. Despite the

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<v Speaker 2>jury's refusal to indict Flynn, DA Dockweiler ignored the jury's

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<v Speaker 2>decision and indicted him anyway. That may be because another

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<v Speaker 2>DA investigator remembered a similar complaint against Flynn from a

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<v Speaker 2>year earlier. In August nineteen forty one, the mother of

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<v Speaker 2>a sixteen year old girl had claimed that Flynn had

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<v Speaker 2>sex with her daughter on his yacht during a trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Catalina Island. The trip to Catalina was for a

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<v Speaker 2>photoshoot for a feature about Errol Flynn for Life magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy's role was to be eye candy and candid shots

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<v Speaker 2>with Flynn. Like Betty Hanson, Peggy Satterly had movie star aspirations,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the summer of nineteen forty one, her dream

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be coming true. It was on that trip

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<v Speaker 2>that Flynn and Peggy had sex twice. But before Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>could be charged, the girl's parents had second thoughts. They

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<v Speaker 2>called the DA and asked to have the charges dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>Their daughter had a promising career in show business and

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<v Speaker 2>the parents didn't want bad publicity that might hurt her career.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end, the DA charge Flynn with three counts

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<v Speaker 3>of statutory rape, one charge for as halting Betty Hanson

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<v Speaker 3>and two for Beggy Saturley.

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<v Speaker 2>And when Hollywood's biggest movie star was arrested, who did

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<v Speaker 2>he call? Hollywood's most successful fixed attorney, Jerry Geesler. Geesler

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<v Speaker 2>was the attorney in our first Variety Confidential episode about

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<v Speaker 2>the rape trial of Alexander Pantages. Pantages was a millionaire

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<v Speaker 2>theater mogul who was accused of statutory rape. In the

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<v Speaker 2>Pantagous trial Geesler set a legal precedent for weaponizing rape

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<v Speaker 2>victim's sexual histories. Thanks to Geesler, Pantages was acquitted after

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<v Speaker 2>the case was retried. Geesler credited that trial with making

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<v Speaker 2>him a successful lawyer. He was known for getting Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>stars out of just about any kind of jam. His

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<v Speaker 2>client list included Marilyn Monroe, Betty Davis, Charlie Chaplin, and

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<v Speaker 2>mobster Benjamin Bugsy Siegel.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, these types of celebrity indorsed attorneys are still

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<v Speaker 3>around today, and you start to recognize the names of

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<v Speaker 3>some of them if you pay close attention to any

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<v Speaker 3>publicized trials involving a star.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, and those publicized trials can be good for business.

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<v Speaker 2>They really do get your name out there. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>preliminary hearings don't often draw a crowd, but with Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>as a draw, the courtroom was packed for his hearing

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<v Speaker 2>in November nineteen forty two. When Betty Hansen took the stand,

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<v Speaker 2>she said she went to the party at Jack McAvoy's

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<v Speaker 2>house specifically to meet Errol Flynn. She first saw him

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<v Speaker 2>on the tennis court there after a swim, she stayed

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner. Later she followed Flynn into the sun room.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she sat on the arm of Flynn's chair

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<v Speaker 2>and then slid down onto his lap. A little later,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, she got sick from the cocktails, so Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>took her upstairs to lie down. It was then that

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<v Speaker 2>they had sex. They were alone in the room for

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<v Speaker 2>about fifty minutes, she said, and he complimented her breasts

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<v Speaker 2>and her quote. Fanny Peggy Satterly was called next. After

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<v Speaker 2>testifying about the trips to Catalina, she was asked if

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn knew she would underage. She said he did, but.

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<v Speaker 4>How did he know it?

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<v Speaker 2>She was asked because she said he called her his

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<v Speaker 2>little JB, which stood for jailbait Errol. Flynn did not

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<v Speaker 2>testify that day.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it gets more incriminating than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>As reported in Variety, jury selections started on January eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty three. Jerry Geesler's plan was to seat as

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<v Speaker 2>many female jurors as possible. He was betting that Flynn's

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<v Speaker 2>star power would outweigh the women's disapproval of his having

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<v Speaker 2>sex with underage girls. In the end, Geesler succeeded with

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<v Speaker 2>his jury selection plan. There were nine women and three

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<v Speaker 2>men in the jury box when testimony started a few

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<v Speaker 2>days later, Errol Flynn's fans turned out in swarms. They

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<v Speaker 2>filled the courtroom and lined up in the hallway, hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to catch a glimpse of the big star. Peggy Satterly

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<v Speaker 2>was the first accuser to testify. The prosecutor led her

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<v Speaker 2>through events on the trip to Catalina and back after

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Geesler for the defense, opened his cross examination by

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<v Speaker 2>asking her what she'd done to resist Flynn on the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you scratch him, he asked, no, she replied. Did

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<v Speaker 2>he tear your slip or your panties? He asked next,

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I noticed, she said. Geesler then delved into

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy's sexual history, a favorite tactic of his victim shaming.

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<v Speaker 2>He claims she posed semi nude for photographs but did

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<v Speaker 2>not show them to the jury. He asked her if

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<v Speaker 2>it was true that she had had an abortion. She

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<v Speaker 2>said yes. She refused to name the father, but insisted

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<v Speaker 2>it was not Errol Flynn. On January twenty eighth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty three, Variety reported that taking the stand in his

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<v Speaker 2>own defense, and guided by questions of attorney Jerry Geesler.

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn denied all charges of improper relations with miners, Peggy

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<v Speaker 2>Satterly Aboordies yacht in nineteen forty one and Betty Hanson

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<v Speaker 2>at a bel Air house party. Flynn remained stoic under

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<v Speaker 2>a withering cross examination by the prosecution. Very likely on

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<v Speaker 2>advice from Geesler, Flynn followed a strategy that's familiar to

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<v Speaker 2>us today, deny, deny, deny. During closing arguments, Jerry Geesler

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<v Speaker 2>reminded the jury about Betty Hansen's sexual experience and Peggy

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<v Speaker 2>Satterley's abortion. His implication was clear they were sexually experienced women,

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<v Speaker 2>not innocent young girls. He also said that the whole

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<v Speaker 2>case smells like a fix. The jury deliberated for twelve hours.

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<v Speaker 2>When they returned, Errol Flynn and his attorneys stood to

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<v Speaker 2>face their judgment. The courtroom was silent as seconds ticked by. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>the jury for woman read the verdicts not guilty on

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<v Speaker 2>all three counts before the judge dismissed the jury. He

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<v Speaker 2>told them the evidence was sufficient for you to have

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<v Speaker 2>arrived at a verdict in either direction. Under the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have arrived at a proper vertic aero

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn was overjoyed. He pushed past the bailiffs, rushed to

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<v Speaker 2>the jury box, and shook hands with each of the jurors.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this seems like a really good example of

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<v Speaker 3>how superstardom can impact a case, and it's reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 3>the recent trial of Johnny Depp versus Amberhard, who also

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<v Speaker 3>coincidentally played a pirate, a swashbuckling pirate in Pirates.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the Cabby Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>In covering that trial, Variety's Gene Mattis noted that the

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<v Speaker 2>most consequential decision the judge in the case made may

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<v Speaker 2>have come weeks before the trial, when she allowed Court

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<v Speaker 2>TV to operate two pool cameras in the courtroom. When

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<v Speaker 2>Depp took the stand on Wednesday, live viewership on its

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<v Speaker 2>channel peaked at one point two million.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are some serious numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>That same article also mentioned that observers worried that the

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<v Speaker 2>judge's decision will also have a chilling effect on victims

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<v Speaker 2>of domestic violence. One legal scholar said that allowing this

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<v Speaker 2>trial to be televised as a single worst decision I

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<v Speaker 2>can can think of in the context of intimate partner

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<v Speaker 2>violence and sexual violence in recent history. It has ramifications

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<v Speaker 2>way beyond this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Herds legal team obviously one of no cameras in the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 3>but Dep's team argued for them, saying that mister Depp

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<v Speaker 3>believes in transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>The case was eventually settled and ended with Amber Heard

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<v Speaker 2>paying dep one million dollars, which his attorney said would

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<v Speaker 2>be donated to charity. Exactly one year after the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>the headline story in Variety read Johnny Depp fans swarm

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<v Speaker 2>Can with screams and shrines on opening night. Viva Johnny.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you're a star that are now. The adage

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<v Speaker 3>is true, the more things change, the more they stay

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<v Speaker 3>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Variety was there after Flynn's trial too. On February eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty three, Variety reported that Errol Flynn returns immediately

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<v Speaker 2>to warners to appear in one sequence of the Thank

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<v Speaker 2>Your Lucky Stars musical, using all of the studio's top names.

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn's sequence in the film had been held up while

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<v Speaker 2>he fought charges brought on behalf of two Minor Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Variety also noted that the studio was rushing three projects

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<v Speaker 2>into production for Flynn, but first Flynn headed to Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>for a little R and R. Apparently he learned nothing

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<v Speaker 2>from his ordeal. His companion on the trip was seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>years old. Her name was Nora Eddington, and he met

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<v Speaker 2>her during the trial at a cigar shop in the

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<v Speaker 2>courthouse lobby.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't be serious.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty four, Warner Brothers ended Flynn's contract. His

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<v Speaker 2>films had made millions of dollars for the studio during

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<v Speaker 2>his twenty years on the lot, but his compulsive drinking

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<v Speaker 2>had begun to catch up with him. It took a

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<v Speaker 2>toll on his biggest asset, his trademark Good Looks. Alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>may also have affected his decision making. In nineteen fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn began a scandalous and very public affair with an

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<v Speaker 2>aspiring dancer named Beverly Adlund. He'd spotted her on the

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<v Speaker 2>Warner B's lot and invited her to a nighttime audition

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<v Speaker 2>at a friend's mansion in the Hollywood Hills. Adlin was

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<v Speaker 2>eager to accept, but first she had to ask her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because Beverly was serious jailbait. She was just fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old. She was pixiish and blonde, and reminded him

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<v Speaker 2>of a wood nymph, so Flynn called her his Darling Woodsey.

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<v Speaker 2>The girl's mother, Florence Adlin, was surprisingly on board with

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship, which was, of course illegal. Flynn took Woodsey

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<v Speaker 2>on an extended vacation. They visited Flynn's ranch in Jamaica

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<v Speaker 2>and toured Africa. In Europe, they were photographed dining and

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<v Speaker 2>drinking in London and were mentioned in gossip columns at

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<v Speaker 2>home and abroad. Somewhere along the way, Eryl proposed, but

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<v Speaker 2>his divorce from his third wife, Patricia Wymore had not

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<v Speaker 2>yet become final, and because Woodsey was not yet seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>In a rare show of discretion, they decided to wait

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<v Speaker 2>a while before announcing their in engagement, but the wedding

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. In early October nineteen fifty nine, the couple

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<v Speaker 2>sailed north from California in Flynn's yacht, the Zaka. He

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<v Speaker 2>was broke, he had to sell his beloved Mulholland Farms

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hollywood Hills, and his trip was set to

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<v Speaker 2>end in Vancouver, where Erro planned to sell his boat.

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<v Speaker 2>They stayed with some friends and partied for a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>On October fourteenth, Flynn started to feel sick. His host

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<v Speaker 2>had a friend who was a doctor, so they took

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn to the doctor's home. Flynn seemed to improve, except

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<v Speaker 2>that he was experiencing intense back pain. Despite the pain,

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor and his wife invited a few friends over

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<v Speaker 2>to meet the movie star. Flynn was regaling them with

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<v Speaker 2>stories about Hollywood, but then suddenly turned pale and stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he needed to lie down. The doctor showed

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<v Speaker 2>him into a bedroom. A few minutes later, Woodsy found

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<v Speaker 2>him there in shock. His face was blue and his

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<v Speaker 2>heartbeat was dangerously faint. They rushed him to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>where on October twenty third, nineteen fifty nine, he died.

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<v Speaker 2>The cause of death read myocardial infarction, coronary thrombosis, coronary atherosclerosis,

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<v Speaker 2>liver degeneration, liver sclerosis, and diverticulosis of the colon. He

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<v Speaker 2>was just fifty years old. On October twenty first, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine, Variety published its obituary for Errol Flynn. It read,

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<v Speaker 2>in part, identified with swashbuckling screen roles, Flynn frequently was

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<v Speaker 2>even more flamboyant in his private life. Since his discovery

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five by a Warner Talent scout. He

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<v Speaker 2>not only went on to become one of the ten

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<v Speaker 2>top box office stars, but he also became renowned for

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<v Speaker 2>his feminine exploits. Helping him in his pursuits were a

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<v Speaker 2>magnificent physique and a dashing roguish air.

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<v Speaker 3>All due respect to the writer of that oh bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know where to begin with how problematic

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<v Speaker 3>that is. Biographer Kitty Kelly would call that myth building,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have never seen more myth building. Helping him

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<v Speaker 3>in his pursuits was a magnificent physique in a dashing

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<v Speaker 3>roguish air. That is wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So Matt Errol Flynn and Johnny Depp definitely had some similarities.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think they have in common in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of having star power?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think the obvious connection is throngs of

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<v Speaker 3>fans and a public that really doesn't want to see

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<v Speaker 3>their idols sort of tartished in this way, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>stuffing the biggest thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Truly.

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<v Speaker 2>It is extraordinary Flynn's trial, the amount of women that

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<v Speaker 2>showed up that adored him, and this was astounding with

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think it also all feeds back into this

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<v Speaker 3>idea of hero worship exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there is an interesting thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>mystique of fame. Something happens with big stars with their fans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they imbue these magical traits in them like they're beyond human.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and it's not lost on me that many of

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<v Speaker 3>the women was involved with our aspiring actresses. But more

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<v Speaker 3>than that, I think the idea of fantasy him and

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you three movies in production or that

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<v Speaker 3>are about to release that have plot lines of mega

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<v Speaker 3>famous men that find, you know, just random everyday women

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<v Speaker 3>and make them their lovers. And there's one coming out

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<v Speaker 3>with Anne Hathaway where she falls in love with like

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<v Speaker 3>a Harry Styles type and she's a mom. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think that these are kind of common fantasies that also

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<v Speaker 3>again feed into idea of hero worship.

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<v Speaker 2>One last question regarding the me Too movement, Has that

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<v Speaker 2>changed the pattern of male celebrities abusing their power?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say yes, but certainly in the way that

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny Depp's career will never recover.

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<v Speaker 4>You really think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. He will work with some directors mostly European has

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<v Speaker 3>always seen so far, there may come a day where

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny Depp gets cast an a may major commercial film,

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<v Speaker 3>but he'll never reach Captain Jack's barrow level fame. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of eroding this myth of a sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like unimpeachable male movie icon, I think is done. So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that we're all the way there yet

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of how we get justice and equity and

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<v Speaker 3>certainly some relief for accusers and victims. But the good

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<v Speaker 3>thing is is that the more we actually speak the truth,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the less these myths will prevail.

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<v Speaker 2>Well put, let's end with this quote from Errol Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>in just a Note about him at this age, at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. He didn't set out to become a movie star.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood came to him and reeled him in because of

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<v Speaker 2>his swashbuckling all of that. So that I find that

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting, and that's why I find this quote especially interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We fritter our lives away in detail, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this. I'm going to live deeply, going

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<v Speaker 2>to affront the essentials of life to see if I

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<v Speaker 2>can learn what it has to teach, and above all,

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<v Speaker 2>not to discover when I come to die that I

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<v Speaker 2>have not lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Matt Donnelly for joining us and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for listening to our final episode in season one a

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<v Speaker 2>Variety Confidential. Matt, it's been truly a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>I thank you so much. It's been so fascinating digging

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<v Speaker 3>into our archives and you guys have done such impeccable.

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<v Speaker 4>Research from Variety Confidential.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been episode six of the Secret History of

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<v Speaker 2>the Casting Couch When You're a Star. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>soon with season two for more sex, money, and murder

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<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood.

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