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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about some history that, obviously,
Speaker 1: in the cool thing with history has no relevance to
Speaker 1: the modern world.
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Speaker 2: Hi, Ian, Hello, Hello, Ian. I I remember it this time.
Speaker 2: I remember that I included having everyone this time. That's
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I would like to be upgraded by the
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Speaker 3: I'm switching the criterias here I would like to be
Speaker 3: I would like to be tree Beard from Lord of the.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: We're building you up to end so much like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a Gandalf reference in this episode.
Speaker 2: Tragic's weird.
Speaker 1: Well, next week is gonna have a Gandalf reference because
Speaker 1: I've already started writing the script. Much like the Motley
Speaker 1: assortment of people who came together to fight fascism. In
Speaker 1: the classic series of novels Lord of the Rings, the
Speaker 1: people of Spain fought against Franco. This would be kind
Speaker 1: of like if the people of Mordor fought against Mordor.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately Tolkian wrote an oversimplified thing. That's not what
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. If you want to hear the
Speaker 1: first part, you should. You should go back and listen
Speaker 1: to the first part. But today we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about resistance to Franco, who was the dictator of Spain.
Speaker 1: So after World War Two, Franco pivoted to being like
Speaker 1: your friendly neighborhood fascist. That was his thing. Despite the
Speaker 1: fact that apparently he was more successful than autocrat than
Speaker 1: anybody on earth during his reign, Like he didn't even
Speaker 1: have a rubber stamp parliament to approve his decisions. He
Speaker 1: managed a more authoritarian control of Spain apparently than fucking
Speaker 1: Hitler or Stalin.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, he was. He was. That's curious.
Speaker 1: He was good at being in charge, well, he was
Speaker 1: good at being the one who was in charge. He
Speaker 1: was good at being in charge. He eventually created the
Speaker 1: position of Prime Minister because he wanted to open things
Speaker 1: up a little bit and gave himself the position of
Speaker 1: Prime Minister. Oh okay, that's so. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that works quite the way that that he might have thought. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it works exactly the way that
Speaker 1: he thought, but I don't think that that quite opens
Speaker 1: up the democratic possibilities in the country. No, nor did
Speaker 1: when he restore the monarchy without actually putting in a king.
Speaker 2: So this was like, there's no monarch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like, well, I'm in charge, but
Speaker 1: ostensibly when I died, the monarchy will return or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and.
Speaker 1: He managed to get like a bunch of sort of
Speaker 1: titles that are only used for monarchs that I didn't
Speaker 1: write into the script, like there by the Grace of
Speaker 1: God or I don't know, some fucking weird mohit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But eventually he did pass off the prime ministership in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, right before he died because he was
Speaker 1: getting sick. And we'll hear some fun news about the
Speaker 1: second prime minister a little bit later. Okay. He declared
Speaker 1: national Catholicism no other religion, including Protestants, and obviously Jews
Speaker 1: were allowed to have public ceremonies. Franco spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time complaining about the quote Judeo Bolsheviks who were
Speaker 1: and this is like so fun because nothing changed, just
Speaker 1: not fun at all. It's awful, and anti Semitism is
Speaker 1: a terrible problem. These Bolsheviks were somehow aligned with both
Speaker 1: American capitalism and Soviet communism at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that tends to have been with those old Belsheviks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and therefore they are the enemy of good old
Speaker 1: fashioned fascism. A lot of times he was like more
Speaker 1: moving towards not it was. He didn't always specifically call
Speaker 1: himself a fascist, but I'm going to call him a
Speaker 1: fascist the whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's a fascist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the reason I'm going to call him one. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: So he's incredibly anti Semitic. But he actually didn't. Spain
Speaker 1: did not deport its Jewish population during World War Two.
Speaker 1: He created a list of them and he gave it
Speaker 1: to Hitler, and he was like getting ready to he
Speaker 1: was almost certainly getting ready to start doing this, but
Speaker 1: things in the war changed and favor changed or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And also tens of thousands of Jews did come from
Speaker 1: Nazi controlled France into Spain and survived the war as
Speaker 1: the result. So after the war, his propaganists went over
Speaker 1: time being like Spain is the hero to the world's
Speaker 1: Jews at the same time as they're like banned from
Speaker 1: practicing their faith publicly.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, because he's he's tried to pony up to
Speaker 2: all of the liberal democracies while still being a fascist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and pretending to have saved Jews while being anti
Speaker 1: Semitic is the way to pony up to the world's
Speaker 1: Western democratic powers, because that's what they do too. So
Speaker 1: he declares national Catholicism. I don't think he actually calls
Speaker 1: it this. I think that's actually the name. National Catholicism
Speaker 1: starts coming a little bit later, but it's basically like tradwife,
Speaker 1: tradcaf thing, good old back to traditional values Catholicism, all
Speaker 1: love for the Church. Except just kidding. He actually built
Speaker 1: something that was in conflict with the Church and the pope.
Speaker 1: He built his Catholicism, not Rome's Catholicism. It was still
Speaker 1: called Roman Catholicism, but.
Speaker 2: It was its own actual like like did they have
Speaker 2: their own like fake pope, but no, they they but
Speaker 2: what they did is they would censor the pope if
Speaker 2: the Pope would say something they didn't like.
Speaker 1: And they also negotiated with the church to have the
Speaker 1: church no longer point the bishops in Spain, so Franco
Speaker 1: and the Spanish fascist government were appointing all the bishops
Speaker 1: in Spain. Franco was also like a hands on kind
Speaker 1: of guy. He was signing the individual death warrants for like,
Speaker 1: it's like all he did all day.
Speaker 3: I think it's like a micromanager.
Speaker 2: He was a micromanager to get up at Todd to
Speaker 2: sign all these death war its. Yeah, what heart, what
Speaker 2: a heart?
Speaker 1: I know that's where that's where Robert Evans does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had just imagine him like, oh god, it's
Speaker 2: it's two pm. I've to sign all these death warrants,
Speaker 2: so woe is me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of creepy because they're actually for
Speaker 1: people who don't even exist yet. It's it's a strange hobby.
Speaker 1: I'm sure nothing batt'll come of it. So but Franco
Speaker 1: distinct legally distinct from irate okay on Twitter. In nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty seven, Pope Pious the eleventh proposed a third way
Speaker 1: of neither communism nor fascism. And he basically was like
Speaker 1: the churches against communism, the church is against fascism. And
Speaker 1: he wrote statements about each their separate statements, one's like
Speaker 1: anti fascism and ones like anti communism. And so Franco
Speaker 1: being Franco, published the pope's anti communist one and then
Speaker 1: banned his anti fascist one.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure somewhere there's like someone who did
Speaker 1: the opposite, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so this
Speaker 1: good Catholic censored the pope and the church did absolutely
Speaker 1: fucking terrible things in Spain under Franco. Obviously, no more abortion, divorce,
Speaker 1: or birth control, because why would anyone learn how to
Speaker 1: control their own bodies. Women were forced to go to
Speaker 1: a special like learn how to be a submissive wife
Speaker 1: and good mother school for six months.
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically all schooling became Catholic school. And they also
Speaker 1: started snatching up all the children of all the dead
Speaker 1: anarchists and communists and Republicans and Catholic leftists because there
Speaker 1: were Catholic leftists throughout.
Speaker 2: This whole time.
Speaker 3: That's kidnapping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they took all the orphans and they put
Speaker 1: them in Catholic schools to teach them conservative values and
Speaker 1: try to eradically.
Speaker 3: So did they put them in like Catholic the colorable
Speaker 3: Catholic orphanages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, basically is not the only place in the
Speaker 1: world the Catholic Church has done this kind of obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's that's one of their greatest, greatest worst hits.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, wo But people of any religion are never
Speaker 1: a monolith. By the nineteen sixties, anti clericalism on the
Speaker 1: left had waned for better or worse, and the Church
Speaker 1: became one of the centers of anti Franco resistance in
Speaker 1: some parts of the country, especially in Catalonia. By the
Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies, the church was moving in a progressive direction.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy one, the Council formally ask the Spanish
Speaker 1: people their pardon for how they'd supported this fascists.
Speaker 2: So, so is the church like in Spain starting to
Speaker 2: have like a distant faction.
Speaker 1: Or just the Church out of Spain. So the Church
Speaker 1: out of Spain. Absolutely, the Church in Spain is starting
Speaker 1: to also okay, all right, And by nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: the Church out of Spain demands the separation of church
Speaker 1: and state in Spain, which is like pretty wild for
Speaker 1: them to be, like, we actually want the church to
Speaker 1: be a separate thing than the state of Spain. And
Speaker 1: you start getting active violent infighting in Catholicism in Spain.
Speaker 2: You have the.
Speaker 1: God it really feels like nothing's ever changed thing, right,
Speaker 1: I see, this is the one thing I am pro
Speaker 1: infighting for. I am pro Catholics infighting.
Speaker 2: All right, well that's what no, no, no, whatever Christians have
Speaker 2: done infighting always horrible things have resulted.
Speaker 1: So actually, well yeah, okay, so this one you have
Speaker 1: the quote Warriors of Christ the King is an organization
Speaker 1: that goes around and like physically attacks all the progressive
Speaker 1: priests and churches because all the churches, all these progressive
Speaker 1: churches are pushing for democracy in Spain. And so then
Speaker 1: you have this like, no, the reason we like being
Speaker 1: Catholic is because you can do fascist shit with it,
Speaker 1: much like you have whatever the United States. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: The Catholic left and the Catholic right could not be
Speaker 1: a further apart group of ideologies. There's an academic named
Speaker 1: Aurora G. Mortheo whose work influenced this part of the script.
Speaker 1: She died in twenty twenty. She was born in Franco
Speaker 1: times in Granada, Spain. In order to do her work,
Speaker 1: she had to leave Spain, and she argued that national
Speaker 1: Catholicism quote depended on well defined notions of gender and
Speaker 1: the creation of an official discourse on femininity aka what
Speaker 1: she called true Catholic womanhood.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was the tradwife thing. It's like a
Speaker 1: really interesting I feel like this chunk of reading I've
Speaker 1: done has given me some kind of wild insights into
Speaker 1: the current right wing shit going on in the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like it would be very popular on
Speaker 2: tik shok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Franco as Spain was, she suggests, and it seems
Speaker 1: convincing built on this true Catholic womanhood. This was the
Speaker 1: backbone of Franco. From this point of view, it was
Speaker 1: changing gender politics in Spain that quote ease the transition
Speaker 1: from patriarchal autarchy, which is when the country is like
Speaker 1: entirely self contained, to a representational democracy. Because the new
Speaker 1: I'm no longer quoting, because the new consumer society required
Speaker 1: two income households. Women were starting to go to college, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to quote Aurora Mortheo again, by pivoting to the
Speaker 1: West in the aftermath of the Second World War, Franco
Speaker 1: ensured his relevancy to the outside world and protected his
Speaker 1: regime's power from outside meddling. His new role as benign dictator,
Speaker 1: open in his country to the west and fighting the
Speaker 1: common communist enemy helped satisfy the conscience of his new
Speaker 1: American partners, who saw Spain as having democratic possibilities.
Speaker 2: Possibilities, yeah, I mean fascist countries have democratic possibilities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they don't actually care about. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: can we sell you shit right now? You know, and
Speaker 1: they're like yeah. He's like, they're like okay. Another thing
Speaker 1: that helped ease this and authoritarianism, as even under Frank
Speaker 1: authoritarianism started to wane.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Another thing helped that was as people ran to cities,
Speaker 1: they formed shanty towns, right, Because the society goes from
Speaker 1: agricultural to industrial like way later than most of Western Europe,
Speaker 1: and so these shanty towns outside of the big cities,
Speaker 1: they end up self governed in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: to quote her again, neighborhood associations with their ad hoc
Speaker 1: governing councils sprang up and would later become legitimate political
Speaker 1: voices for the labor movement. As the sixties wear on,
Speaker 1: students start getting radical, especially into the two main places
Speaker 1: that are doing the organizing, at least according to what
Speaker 1: I read, because everything is biased towards whatever anyway. Uh,
Speaker 1: they ended up in radical Christian movements and the Communist Party.
Speaker 2: Huge. Yeah, what an interesting little collection of like disparate cells.
Speaker 1: I know. And neither of these were political forces thirty
Speaker 1: years earlier in Spain, right, Yeah, and so some women
Speaker 1: helped end authoritarianism by rebelling against the tradwife nonsense. But
Speaker 1: apparently there was also a kind of like feminist movement
Speaker 1: that was also into embracing piety and motherhood, but turning
Speaker 1: it against authoritarianism and like traditional Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like no radical track. Yeah, go ahead, we even
Speaker 1: we see like a lot of the traadwavee stuff is
Speaker 1: honestly done by more kind of like whether it's like
Speaker 1: liberal or like lefty progressive types, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff is done by people who are not fascists.
Speaker 1: Then there is people who are fascists too, like kind
Speaker 1: of like try to do like entryism via it because
Speaker 1: it's very easy to do that totally. But like a
Speaker 1: lot of people that that like popularized it and stuff
Speaker 1: were like regular progressive libs or you know, they would
Speaker 1: have been like Elizabeth Warren supporters or something right like
Speaker 1: and and then and then you see the see the
Speaker 1: fascist right trying to yeah, use there like twelve they're
Speaker 1: like twelve egiral influencers trying to like push the discourse
Speaker 1: in these little niche subcultures. Yeah. And I like when
Speaker 1: we hold those grounds. I like when we be like, well, look,
Speaker 1: feminism can be this or this. You know, no, absolutely
Speaker 1: you should. You should never see territory that you don't
Speaker 1: have to seed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so all of this shit, all of this organizing,
Speaker 1: all of this really intense social change. All of this
Speaker 1: is why his system didn't survive his death. It did
Speaker 1: not kill him, It did not end his reign, but
Speaker 1: it ended the continuation of his reign. And I think
Speaker 1: that is it's something that gets gets forgotten. But what
Speaker 1: doesn't get forgotten. Garrison is a good earworm from a
Speaker 1: jingle from an ad, much like how capitalism opened up
Speaker 1: Spain to Okay, I got nothing.
Speaker 2: Here's some add democratic possibilities, so too, will we open
Speaker 2: up your ears to democratic possibility?
Speaker 3: So what to do with me becoming tree Beard?
Speaker 2: Sore Bed is.
Speaker 3: An end an end and is a very old wise
Speaker 3: tree that carries hobbits and then get sasas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, being understanding history gives you the reast of time.
Speaker 1: Also non fascist, Catholic tokien. Yes, that's how it ties
Speaker 1: together to But you're not there yet. You've got those
Speaker 1: two ad breaks, so you're only you're up to Sapling
Speaker 1: and Sapling. I'm halfway and we're back, and Sophie is
Speaker 1: now wise and green.
Speaker 2: Most of what I know from this character well not no,
Speaker 2: Like my first exposure to the to this character of
Speaker 2: tree Beard was in the in the uh Veggie Tails
Speaker 2: recreation of of Lord of the Rings where they had
Speaker 2: a pretty a pretty scary seed with three with three
Speaker 2: tree monsters. It always kind of freaked me out that
Speaker 2: they were like they were basically like the in the
Speaker 2: I googled it the picture, let me see, Oh no, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like this is this is offensive to tree Beard looks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's not what you look like.
Speaker 2: No, they kind of they kind of operated as like
Speaker 2: guardians of the threshold. But yeah, they were. They were
Speaker 2: pretty freaky. No I can, I can send a yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's there's some pretty pretty disturbing disturbing and I'll send
Speaker 2: a picture to your markat here. All right, I really
Speaker 2: appreciate we have reference, just so we all are aware
Speaker 2: of the Veggie Tails, Lord of the Rings. That was
Speaker 2: my first exposure to the the world of Middle Earth.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: describe it, but it definitely has jewelry.
Speaker 2: It does have a big amulet. That's the massive, massive
Speaker 2: jewel in the front. Yea. And yeah, he has like
Speaker 2: a he has a beard and a tree, a big nose,
Speaker 2: really big eyebrows, gangly little branch arms.
Speaker 1: But you know what else had gangly little branches in Spain?
Speaker 1: The Imunist Party, Eh, really it did.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Did also have a picabulate with the red jewels of
Speaker 1: it all. I am willing to bet that at some
Speaker 1: point they rated something. They burned down a right wing
Speaker 1: Catholic monastery and took such things. So the other people
Speaker 1: resisting right the anarchists were there too, in a different form.
Speaker 1: It was mostly communists at this point, most workers by
Speaker 1: the end of Franco. If they were leftists, they were
Speaker 1: in the Communist Party or they were in workers' commissions,
Speaker 1: and the Communist Party was illegal there, and so it
Speaker 1: was left with more anarchistic character than elsewhere around that
Speaker 1: time because it couldn't be centralized. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And a lot of the communists were literally the children
Speaker 1: of anarchists. Right then. The workers' commissions carried with them
Speaker 1: the sort of ghosts of the CNT, the like spirit
Speaker 1: that cannot speak its name. These are the more decentralized things,
Speaker 1: even more so than the Communist Party, right, But they're like,
Speaker 1: can't call themselves the CNT because there's been well we've
Speaker 1: talked about this at length. It was a bad idea
Speaker 1: to call yourself the CNT.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't seem to turn out very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The US backed Franco hard during the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: They were the single greatest prop to his dictatorship, investment
Speaker 1: in tourism and American military and bases, who the American
Speaker 1: military bases in Spain literally, at one point later in
Speaker 1: the story, provide bombs to fascist death squads, another American classic.
Speaker 1: It is, it really is. It was not just for
Speaker 1: Central America anymore. And that's kind of the larger picture
Speaker 1: of how Franco's control slipped away. But it didn't end
Speaker 1: with a whimper. It ended with a bang, because the
Speaker 1: award for best assassination during the Franco regime goes to
Speaker 1: the Bosque separatists, specifically the ETA. Have you ever you
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Spanish space program? Don't google itimated
Speaker 1: time of arrival now, but we'll go. It stands for boss,
Speaker 1: Homeland and Liberty.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The the E t A was sort of a as
Speaker 1: a crude analogy, they were like kind of the Bosque
Speaker 1: region's i ra uh. Bosque country is a region mostly
Speaker 1: controlled by Spain that does not, generally speaking, believe it
Speaker 1: should be controlled by Spain. They have their own language,
Speaker 1: they have their own culture, they have their own bombs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I went to a went to like a
Speaker 2: train like a I guess like trans writes protest roughly
Speaker 2: and in Boise last year and there's there's a little
Speaker 2: like mini Bosque like community, uh near the near the downtown. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it has like it has like little shops and
Speaker 2: little like little like grocery stores. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like restaurants for like cafes, and it was
Speaker 2: quite quite enjoyable. So I basically have been here because
Speaker 2: I went to Boise, Idaho totally had got a Bosca
Speaker 2: grocery store.
Speaker 1: I once went to a Bosque demonstration in Catalonia that's
Speaker 1: slightly more legit than mine. Yeah, it still wasn't in
Speaker 1: Bosque country anyway. So yeah, they have a long history
Speaker 1: of we are not Spanish and yes, we're willing to
Speaker 1: fight about that. The ETA, which stands for basically Bosque
Speaker 1: Homeland and liberally, was a Marxist group that included those
Speaker 1: paramilitaries willing to fight about it, and they were around
Speaker 1: for a really long time. They started in nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 1: They didn't disband formally until twenty eighteen. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild. Yeah, they kept up shift for a really
Speaker 1: long time. They did an awful lot of paramilitary stuff.
Speaker 1: I am not really informed enough on the topic to
Speaker 1: really opine about their later actions, which became increasingly less popular.
Speaker 1: I will say that the most recent surveys of Bosque
Speaker 1: people show that will most people prefer some kind of
Speaker 1: autonomy or freedom from Spain, whether it's like being their
Speaker 1: own state or being like fully an autonomous region. An
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority said they're no longer interest in the ETA's violence,
Speaker 1: and that might be because of long drawn out troubles,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't sure, but most people want to
Speaker 1: be free and we're not talking about this more contemporary
Speaker 1: violence today, which we're talking about when they had a
Speaker 1: fucking dictator. The ATA was really popular with Spaniards and
Speaker 1: Bosque people when it was when they were fighting against
Speaker 1: a fucking dictator. Franco wasn't big on Bosque independence. He
Speaker 1: actually wasn't big on any He wasn't. Yeah, he's he
Speaker 1: was a fascist, wasn't he. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's big on independence period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not big on rights or people. I think
Speaker 1: he was big on Franco and big on tradwives, many
Speaker 1: such cases, and there's like some other stuff. He like
Speaker 1: kind of created a Spanish identity actually, and it was
Speaker 1: funny because including out of parts that wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: part of God, I didn't write this into the script,
Speaker 1: but I read about how like I think Flamenco doesn't
Speaker 1: I think it's Andalusia and like wouldn't have been part
Speaker 1: of the Spanish identity as like a specific Spanish thing,
Speaker 1: and like, so he kept pushing this like Spanish identity
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, cultural identity is a big part of
Speaker 2: like propping up fascism as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And so he kind of created this, you know,
Speaker 1: dradwave culture or whatever. It was extra shitty to the
Speaker 1: Bosque people. He banned their language and culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: to be very banned lots of languages and culture. But
Speaker 1: it did not make him friends. The Bosque people overall
Speaker 1: weren't like, man, there's our guy, you know, Rayco are dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that quote that I think of every time I think
Speaker 1: of Franco, which is just the I'm willing to kill
Speaker 1: half of Spain to rule the other half. So in
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, the ECA formed a space program and
Speaker 1: tried to send a Spaniard into space, Spain's first astronaut,
Speaker 1: a very specific Spaniard they picked to try to launch
Speaker 1: into space. See it's the early nineteen seventies. Franco is
Speaker 1: a dictator. Still, he's kind of on the right track
Speaker 1: with his like personal life and his leadership style, which
Speaker 1: is to say, he's dying, which is.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, that's I think where you were
Speaker 2: going there for that success.
Speaker 1: He's trying to pick a successor, and you know, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna name a king or whatever. Maybe he already
Speaker 1: has at this point thing maybe his late sixties. He
Speaker 1: like pisses off. I like refuse to keep track of
Speaker 1: like which kings people like versus other kings, because there
Speaker 1: shouldn't be monarchies. But he like pissed off either the
Speaker 1: cauralists or the something else' or something anyway. In nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, a Bosque separatist from the ETA named Jose
Speaker 1: Miguel Benarin aka Argala, which is Bosque for thin, because
Speaker 1: everyone gets to have cool nicknames when you're in the
Speaker 1: resistance against Franco, that is cool. Argala went to Madrid
Speaker 1: to start building contacts in the Spanish left, basically hoping
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, we should get together with
Speaker 1: the other resistance movements. Yeah, And also he was like,
Speaker 1: if we a big attack somewhere else, it'll relieve pressure.
Speaker 2: Off the Bosque region, right, sure. Sure.
Speaker 1: His previous escapades including robbing a bank for ten million pisadas. Uh,
Speaker 1: he held a businessman hostage, but instead of for money,
Speaker 1: it was basically like a labor strike.
Speaker 3: Thing.
Speaker 1: It was like a I'm holding this businessman hostage until
Speaker 1: this company treats their workers better.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty cool. It's it worked conventional, but it's
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in Madrid now. He meets a communist woman
Speaker 1: named Eva Forrest who was born to anarchists parents in Barcelona,
Speaker 1: who became the local guide essentially for the ETA. And
Speaker 1: she knew a really fun fact, like a piece of
Speaker 1: trivia that you could use at a bar. There's a
Speaker 1: really really important guy, Luis Carrero Blanco, who went to
Speaker 1: mass the same time every day at the same church
Speaker 1: in the city of Salamanca, which is about two hours
Speaker 1: west of Madrid. And he only had one bodyguard when
Speaker 1: he went to mass.
Speaker 2: Very cool tripha, I know was this one? Who is
Speaker 2: this one guy?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you asked Admiral Luis Carrero Blanco. He
Speaker 1: was deputy Prime Minister at the time when they first
Speaker 1: started planning this, and so see like number two kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, and he he runs the day to day
Speaker 1: in Spain. He's also sort of building this like state
Speaker 1: within the state in Spain. He's setting up informants within
Speaker 1: the government to report to him rite some Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones shit. Yeah, and he is rabidly anti Semitic. Franco
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm like, you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: only against the Judeo Bolsheviks and the Judeo Masons and
Speaker 1: people celebrating in public. Blanco believed it was war to
Speaker 1: the death between Christianity and Judaism. Okay, so this guy's
Speaker 1: like bad bad news. Huh yeah, yeah, like the guy
Speaker 1: that makes Franco seem moderate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's that is that that is quite the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, he goes around on a predictable schedule with
Speaker 1: one bodyguard.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 1: Cool, what a fun fact, I'm sure, Agala said, neat trivia.
Speaker 1: That is that is great bar bar trivia. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the ETA talked it over and they were like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're going to kidnap this guy and we'll probably be
Speaker 1: able to exchange him for one hundred and fifty prisoners.
Speaker 1: It's a good exchange rate. So they decided to kidnap him.
Speaker 1: They plan on using three four member cells and then
Speaker 1: ambushing him inside the church. They rented the mountselves out
Speaker 1: some houses and also a clothing store where they figured
Speaker 1: they could store their guy. Right, okay, while he's under
Speaker 1: being kidnapped. It didn't go as planned. First, the clothing
Speaker 1: store got broken into, and I don't entirely know why
Speaker 1: this fucked everything up. I get it either like drew
Speaker 1: too much heat or it was like too fucked up
Speaker 1: to be a successful business or whatever. After that, they
Speaker 1: couldn't use it anymore. Second, one of the people planning
Speaker 1: all of this, his name was Texakia, which is Bosque
Speaker 1: for short. He died in a shootout with cops in
Speaker 1: the Bosque, in the Bosque region, so he wasn't as
Speaker 1: useful anymore because he was dead, and their necromancy wasn't
Speaker 1: on point. Eva Forest, whose name is a reference to
Speaker 1: the end that Sophie is becoming nice, nice, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Eva Forest was like, well, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: set you up an apartment and you can store guns
Speaker 1: and the kidnap guy in the apartment. We'll like build
Speaker 1: a little hidden thing. And so they're like, all right, chill,
Speaker 1: And so some communist construction workers and Bosque separatists build
Speaker 1: a hidden room for storing stuff in an apartment, which
Speaker 1: is apparently like a big part of a lot of
Speaker 1: the resistance to Franco At this point is you just
Speaker 1: have like weird hidden caches and every apartment and stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely appreciate a hidden room in an apartment.
Speaker 1: Frankly, one of the things that I have learned by
Speaker 1: doing this history show is that everyone should have everyone
Speaker 1: the hidden room. Well, they just become necessary sometimes, like
Speaker 1: the amount of work that people had to do during
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, right to try and help people survive. Like
Speaker 1: you just like never know when like here's a place
Speaker 1: you can store a passport or a person, you just
Speaker 1: like never know, and that's gonna come up, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So Franco, there's a third problem. It's not really
Speaker 1: a problem, a thing that happens Franco. He's getting old
Speaker 1: as fuck, and so he names Blanco as the actual
Speaker 1: prime minister, no longer the deputy prime minister. Oh interesting,
Speaker 1: So he goes from running the day to day to
Speaker 1: like kind of being in charge. Franco's still like in charge,
Speaker 1: but he's like old and sick, but.
Speaker 2: He's like sitting in a bed like chilling where other
Speaker 2: people are like actually do all this shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he goes from like kind of second in
Speaker 1: charge to like absolutely second in charge slash kind of
Speaker 1: in charge. Yeah, and the ETA is like, oh, this
Speaker 1: might this might complicate things. Let's figure this out, and
Speaker 1: they like brainstorm for a while.
Speaker 2: They have the opportunity to do the funniest thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Ourgala he's like, you know what, there's
Speaker 1: a ground floor space for rent on the street that
Speaker 1: the Guide drives every day. So let's rent that and
Speaker 1: do what radicals do best, dig a fucking tunnel. Ah,
Speaker 1: the old, the old tunnel diggers. Tunnels are back.
Speaker 3: Tunnels are back.
Speaker 1: They call the whole thing operation Ogre, because if you're
Speaker 1: going to do a cool, wild crime, you better give
Speaker 1: yourself cool nicknames and call the crime something cool.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: And Ourgala is what's known on this show as a
Speaker 1: tunnel guy. There are two main purposes for tunnels historically.
Speaker 1: One is to plant explosives to blow up dictators. The
Speaker 1: other is to escape prison. Ourgala has done both. He well,
Speaker 1: he's dug tunnels for both. He dug a prison tunnel
Speaker 1: and a failed attempt to free a bunch of ETA prisoners.
Speaker 1: But so this is not his first tunnel rodeo. He
Speaker 1: rents the space and he's like, hello, we are sculpture students,
Speaker 1: and that will explain all the coming and going and
Speaker 1: the noise and the mess and all.
Speaker 2: This dirt and clay and ground that we're going to
Speaker 2: be yeah, pulling out yep.
Speaker 1: And they spent a week digging the tunnel. Everything I've
Speaker 1: read was like and it was very complicated and hard.
Speaker 1: I read one source that was like it they spent
Speaker 1: six months digging it. But the more the sources I
Speaker 1: trusted better were like, they spent a week digging it.
Speaker 1: And at eight am on December twentieth, nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: they place one hundred and fifty pounds of explosives in
Speaker 1: a T shape in the tunnel underneath the street. By
Speaker 1: nine am they're up on the street and two of
Speaker 1: them are Gala and another guy named kiss Kerr Bosk
Speaker 1: for short. They're dressed up like electricians. Our Gala is
Speaker 1: up on the ladder with a detonator and his like
Speaker 1: electrician outfit. Right, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At nine point thirty six am, a black Dodge Dart.
Speaker 1: I've run into multiple ideas of what the car was.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going with Dart.
Speaker 2: You're just gonna say it. It's a black Dotch start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like a couple different models that I've
Speaker 1: seen claimed, but a black Dodge fascists.
Speaker 2: Fascists do like driving black Dodgers these days.
Speaker 1: So it's coming down, driving down the road with that
Speaker 1: Asso Blanco in it, and there's a car double park,
Speaker 1: so the driver has to swerve. I think the bombers
Speaker 1: put the car double park there, but i'm because it
Speaker 1: has to serve on a specific part of the road
Speaker 1: or something. That's the impression I get from what I'm reading.
Speaker 1: But it's like translations and jog hisiscar signals to Argala,
Speaker 1: who presses the button and the Spanish space program is born.
Speaker 1: The car and its three occupants made a sixty five
Speaker 1: feet into the air. That's pretty good for the first flight.
Speaker 1: They cleared a five story church, landed on the other
Speaker 1: side in a courtyard or on a second story balcony,
Speaker 1: depending on the source. And that's how Prime Minister Luise
Speaker 1: Cadeto Blanco becomes Spain's first astronaut. As a lot of
Speaker 1: Spanish folks refer to him. Other good jokes include is
Speaker 1: it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's cut
Speaker 1: at Oblanco.
Speaker 3: So incredibly based.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, man, So they launched it pretty high. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've also read one hundred feet. I've read like
Speaker 1: thirty like thirty three meters, and I've read like, I
Speaker 1: don't like twenty meters or whatever.
Speaker 2: But that's impressive because like they also had to like
Speaker 2: it had to like go through a little bit of
Speaker 2: the ground that they that they dug under as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's pictures of the pothole potholes and the
Speaker 1: wrong word, the collapsed street and the timing. Imagine the timing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like these types of these, these types of car
Speaker 2: bombings are usually not this successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the average I mean, we went over some
Speaker 1: failed bombings in last you know, on Monday, but we
Speaker 1: we didn't go over well enough on Monday. Was how
Speaker 1: once a tiny little Entish sprout, Sophie is now Eva
Speaker 1: Forest the communist and who okay, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to somehow turn this into Sophie becoming an end successfully.
Speaker 2: Is Sophie like like the baby Groot territory?
Speaker 1: Now no, that was before. Now that Washie's gone past
Speaker 1: baby Groot and his regular grout, I'm regular pigular grout.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, sure, big sprouts? Yeah, good, good for you, Sophie,
Speaker 2: you looks so uh you look so gangly.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be fair, there is actually like one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 2: six plants behind Sophie on the frame, that's true, and
Speaker 2: no plants behind either myself or Margaret.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you my favorite theory about ens. This
Speaker 1: won't mean anything to Garrison. I think, Garrison, do you
Speaker 1: know that the Ens the n y with all life? No,
Speaker 1: the ants are the tree Beard's tree Beard is an
Speaker 1: end and they talk very slowly and they have counsels
Speaker 1: and they destroy damns and they're cool, right, but they're
Speaker 1: all men because they can't find their wives. The ntwives
Speaker 1: have gone missing. And my theory is that could you
Speaker 1: imagine being man splained to by an end?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no.
Speaker 1: Because it would just take so long, well it would
Speaker 1: be it be insufferable. Yeah, no, wonder the N wives left.
Speaker 3: Huh ah.
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Speaker 1: So one fun and by fun, I mean on fun.
Speaker 1: Fact about the jokes about Spain's first astronaut is that
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, a Spanish trans woman named Cassandra Vera
Speaker 1: was sentenced to a year in prison for making jokes
Speaker 1: about Carrero Blanco on Twitter.
Speaker 2: What what are you serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah to spoiler alert, the Supreme Court overturned this conviction,
Speaker 1: but it was like this like whole big fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Her jokes included, did Carrero Blanco also go back to
Speaker 1: future with the car? Back to the future with this car?
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of other jokes that all either did.
Speaker 1: It's like very tame at like things to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And some of the tweets that were like used against
Speaker 1: her in court were like what, you can't even make
Speaker 1: jokes about this in Spain anymore or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Blanco's own granddaughter was upset by the prosecution of Cassandra Vera,
Speaker 1: saying quote, I'm scared of a society in which freedom
Speaker 1: of expression, however regrettable it may be, can lead to
Speaker 1: jail sentences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's good, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So back to the bask Space program. They're unwitting astronaut.
Speaker 1: So the two fake electricians, right, they've pressed this thing,
Speaker 1: they've sent the launch in.
Speaker 2: All of our guys are still on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they come running down and they're like gas
Speaker 1: gas and start running away as if it was a
Speaker 1: gas mane that blew that blewe Yeah. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it adds to the chaos of the scene and it
Speaker 1: makes them look less suspicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They ran around the corner. They got picked up by
Speaker 1: a third conspirator at Sulo or care in Bosque. They
Speaker 1: drove away. They switched vehicles once and they made it
Speaker 1: to their hideout. Carrero Blanco died of his wounds forty
Speaker 1: five minutes later at the hospital. His companions joined him
Speaker 1: in death shortly thereafter. Thus they all lived up to
Speaker 1: their favorite fascist slogan, Viva lamorte long lived death. At
Speaker 1: eleven PM, the ETA took credit for the action. It
Speaker 1: took the press weeks to report the ETA communicy. I
Speaker 1: guess either because the press wanted so like like didn't
Speaker 1: believe it, or they were like waiting for like the
Speaker 1: political dust to settle to know whether it was safe
Speaker 1: to report it. Is kind of my biggest guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they live in a fascist country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you would want to like feel it out, I think
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the three conspirators wait about ten days in
Speaker 1: the hideout and then their friend Eva drove them to
Speaker 1: a border town in the Bosque Country. They crossed into
Speaker 1: France over a river, and they lived underground and two
Speaker 1: of the three of them made it to their natural
Speaker 1: end of days. That's good for those two. What happened
Speaker 1: to the other? Oh, I'll get to it. The assassination
Speaker 1: is credited as hastening the liberalization, aka they move away
Speaker 1: from fascism of Spain. The prime minister who placed this
Speaker 1: guy was more open to change. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be too if the alast gay got yeah,
Speaker 2: last guy got said thirty three meters over our church.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh they all tried to some democracy. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Launching dictators into space. It's never morally incorrect. Strategically, it's
Speaker 1: a roll of the dice, sometimes better, sometimes worse. This
Speaker 1: time it was better. Yeah, this was a more or
Speaker 1: less perfect action. Right, They got their guys. It seems
Speaker 1: the collateral was low. Yeah, they got their dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: none of them got well. So Eva Forrest got caught
Speaker 1: nine months after the attack. She spent a few years
Speaker 1: in prison, but fortunately with the death of fascism in Spain,
Speaker 1: there was an amnesty and she gets out right and
Speaker 1: during all of this she writes a fake tell all
Speaker 1: about the action, and she peppers it with false clues
Speaker 1: to help hide her still underground co conspirators.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's like in her version of the story,
Speaker 1: and you'll see people see people reporting this. Her version
Speaker 1: of the story is like, oh, all the bombers immediately
Speaker 1: fled to Portugal, right not. They waited for a week
Speaker 1: and then went to France.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she went on to be part of the conversion
Speaker 1: to democracy of Spain. She became a senator, She stayed
Speaker 1: involved in Bosque separatism even though she was Catalan, and
Speaker 1: she lived a long and happy life before dying in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: What an arc, going from a political assassin to a senator.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I wonder what her anarchist parents think of this.
Speaker 2: It might be like, whoa, you did good? Watch up? Honey? Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: come on, honey, yeah, well you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like ever they can up in the air. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: never blown up a prime minister, will exactly? He who
Speaker 2: was blown up?
Speaker 1: A prime fascist prime minister cast the first stone at
Speaker 1: Eva Forrest. Afterwards, the Bosque separatist stuff, the government sets
Speaker 1: up right wing death squads in a Bosque country and
Speaker 1: starts murdering separatists just like. They kill more than a
Speaker 1: dozen activists, and in nineteen seventy eight, the kind of
Speaker 1: like revenge kill Argala, who was probably the main conspirator.
Speaker 1: In December nineteen seventy eight, they blow him up like
Speaker 1: in his car yea, and they use explosives that were
Speaker 1: given to them by soldiers at an American Army base,
Speaker 1: which they like claim that it was like a rogue
Speaker 1: soldier was just like, oh, I'm just giving my buddy
Speaker 1: some bombs, you know. Sure, Kissker, for his part, survived
Speaker 1: a right wing death squad attack and might still be alive.
Speaker 1: It didn't I didn't find his death. Exula made it
Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight before dying of cancer. So
Speaker 1: overall they did really fucking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it sounds like Spade could be
Speaker 2: a lot worse if this didn't happen at this specific time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, like probably the death of Franco would have
Speaker 1: led to democratization, but I don't know if they had
Speaker 1: a drawcist prime minister.
Speaker 2: Could Yeah it it may not have lasted like much longer,
Speaker 2: but it still seems like there. It probably would have
Speaker 2: would have been worse in a few ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What finally got Franco in the end was Parkinson's disease,
Speaker 1: and November nineteen seventy five, after a month or so
Speaker 1: on a coma, he died. Around Spain, people got drunken celebration.
Speaker 1: Everyone was fucking obviously not everyone, but a whole lot
Speaker 1: of people were fucking happy. The News asked some people
Speaker 1: why they filed past his coffin, and the answer was
Speaker 1: that we wanted to make sure the old fascist was
Speaker 1: really dead. I mean, yeah, that's that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: it was like probably like, oh, there's all these mortars here,
Speaker 1: and it's people being like, oh, thank god.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, that's him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Nixon praised Franco after his death, saying he unified Spain.
Speaker 1: Classic classic Nixon move. Yeah. He was buried in the
Speaker 1: Valley of the Fallen, which was a memorial built by
Speaker 1: enslaved prisoners at the end of the Civil War to
Speaker 1: throw all the bodies of dead people into and he
Speaker 1: was the only person in the war who didn't die
Speaker 1: in the war who was buried there. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: the Spanish government was like, you know what, fuck that guy,
Speaker 1: and they exhumed him because it was disrespectful to bury
Speaker 1: him alongside his victims, and he got reburied in the
Speaker 1: same cemetery as his first astronaut. That's nice, yeah, Murray
Speaker 1: Bookchin said about him in place of an obituary. Francisco
Speaker 1: Franco was denied a place besides Hitler and Stalin as
Speaker 1: one of history's most terrifying mass murderers. It was only
Speaker 1: because of the demographic limitations imposed upon him by the
Speaker 1: Iberian Peninsula. You know, was just there weren't that many
Speaker 1: people for him to murder. In nineteen seventy seven, Spain
Speaker 1: announced the Pact of Forgetting, which was an amnesty law
Speaker 1: for the fascists and the anti fascist but mostly anti
Speaker 1: fascists were dead and murdered, right, and it was a
Speaker 1: way to try to mend the divisions in society by
Speaker 1: being like, uh, no one's fault, you.
Speaker 2: Know, huh, you have a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: different feelings on that, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Thirty years later, in two thousand and seven, they passed
Speaker 1: the Historical Memory Law, which was like, no, we remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a fascist dictator and it was bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so here's the people who fought him and the people
Speaker 1: blew up his prime minister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is next next time I've been boise Idaho.
Speaker 2: I take my.
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Speaker 2: City Council voted to do and what people will then
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