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Speaker 1: Are you a citizen of the United States who cares

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Speaker 1: about what's going on, especially the division that's taking place

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Speaker 1: in the MAGA movement. Well, don't miss it, because I've

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Speaker 1: got the host of the Citizen Podcast, Dan Holloway, on

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Speaker 1: the David Rutherford Show. All Right, everybody, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me. You know, after a Monday show

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Speaker 1: called the MAGA Split, I wanted to bring on somebody

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Speaker 1: that I believe really is tracking this at the most granual,

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Speaker 1: lever level, but also as bringing forth a really well

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Speaker 1: thought out application to all of the things that are

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Speaker 1: driving the split. For whether it's the you know, the

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Speaker 1: anti war movement, or whether it's the Epstein files, or

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Speaker 1: whether it's the land sale, whatever it might be. The

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Speaker 1: one individual that I really truly believe that has just

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Speaker 1: a profound insight on all these things is mister Dan

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Speaker 1: Holloway with the Citizen Podcast, who's also on one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites, the Drinking Brothers Podcast. So, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: mister Dan Holloway, how are you doing, Dan, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: How are you well?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, after three months of finally getting

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Speaker 1: a show back up and running, I think I finally

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Speaker 1: am starting to find a little bit of a tempo

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Speaker 3: Understanding of what this thing's gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: But certainly when you had me on about four months ago,

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Speaker 1: that really got me got me thinking about what I

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's it takes a little

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Speaker 2: while to get into a rhythm, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It does? You know.

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Speaker 1: I took you know, probably two and a half years

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Speaker 1: And then like my first month, I was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out, all right, that doesn't work. That doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, finally, well listen, let's let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I know you're busy man, As I was saying in

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Speaker 1: the intro, you know, I did show released it Monday

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Speaker 1: on the MAGA split, and I've been watching. You've been

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Speaker 1: all over a lot of the people on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Whether you know, I'm still trying to really define what

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Speaker 1: woke right is right from James, Lindsay and Peterson and

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Speaker 1: all that. But there's a definite division amongst the different people.

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Speaker 1: So as you see this, how are you looking at this?

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Speaker 1: Where do you see the splits taking place, and what

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Speaker 1: are kind of the tributaries of division that are kind

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Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I mean, I guess it helps to start

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Speaker 4: at the granular level, right, the United States is the

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Speaker 4: simple idea that individual liberty and personal entrepreneurship are the

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Speaker 4: ultimate inoculation to tyranny. That's what we believe here, right.

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Speaker 4: We believe that when the state is large, the individual

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Speaker 4: is small. Now, with that, and this is kind of

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Speaker 4: the purpose of my show, citizen, with that comes a

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Speaker 4: requires your constant maintenance and vigilance.

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Speaker 2: Now, it is true that we are.

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Speaker 4: Aimed towards liberty above all else, and that decentralization is

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Speaker 4: probably the best way, so far as we could tell,

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Speaker 4: federalism is meant to do. Right in tend to meend

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Speaker 4: to the constitution. Now, certain the thing that I will

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Speaker 4: also say is that most people aren't leaders. That's just

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Speaker 4: I really think that people need to be led. And

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Speaker 1: So and we had talked about that before. That's intellectual weakness. Yes,

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that we need desperately, and we don't.

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Speaker 4: people that are let's say, people that are on welfare,

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Speaker 2: This is not a democratic situation. It happens from both sides.

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Speaker 4: within our own government. Now you'll hear people talk about

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Speaker 4: That's not even necessary to bring up what actually like,

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Speaker 4: foreign governments for the most part, are not paying specific

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Speaker 4: them is called bandwagon fallacy, which is where if enough

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Speaker 4: It's literally a logical fallacy, right, So you should inspect

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Speaker 4: Now, there are a lot of indicators about how this

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Speaker 4: know this isn't new or clever. Nielsen has been caught

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Speaker 4: Their purpose is always chaos, right. They want they want

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Speaker 4: two things. They want Americans not to trust or talk

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Speaker 2: That is their goal, right.

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Speaker 4: So if you think about it from that standpoint, you

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Speaker 4: we've completely lost in this country, to do their fucking job.

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Speaker 4: Like that is your and you need to take it

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Speaker 4: this is not going to happen, right. So I think

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Speaker 4: it's all part of this ecosystem where there are people

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, I like you, but look at what's happening

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Speaker 4: Because it is all of our job leader or not

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Speaker 2: That's what this community is supposed to be about.

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Speaker 1: That The challenge though is, you know, and this goes

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Speaker 1: back which I remember, you know, when the whole fiasco

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Speaker 1: classification of expertise, right, And like you said, I think

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Speaker 3: And so now moving forward.

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Speaker 4: It's about I've got power, Now, what am I going

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Speaker 1: Right detracting actually going back or living up to promises

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Speaker 4: Governance Disinformation Board that was basically like an online censorship

436
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 4: program inside of our federal government, everybody from the left

437
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: to the right said nope, we're not doing that, and

438
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: it went away. That woman got fired by the way,

439
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 4: she works with the British government doing the exact same thing.

440
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 4: So you can see that the power of in the

441
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: first season the Game of Thrones, the king is like,

442
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: what's stronger, five or one?

443
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: And she's like five, and he goes five one.

444
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: Right, So a fist is quite a bit stronger than

445
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Speaker 4: open hand, and that is what the resounding no from

446
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 4: Americans sounds like. So the solution to this stuff, this

447
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 4: maga split, is that you need to understand logic and reason.

448
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: Probably go read some of the things that Aristotle had

449
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 4: to say or Marcus Aurelius had to say. Those are

450
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: two very important figures in Seneca as well, and that

451
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: specific those three people are very good to look into,

452
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 4: and then maybe study some civics so you actually understand

453
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: how our government works, because right now you're having a

454
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: conversation about stuff that you just don't understand. Frankly, I

455
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: think that's a big problem, and it's you can see

456
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: it in this You mentioned Dave Smith and some of

457
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: these other guys, But it's just the anti war side,

458
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's one.

459
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Speaker 2: Nobody is truly anti war.

460
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Speaker 4: I don't believe that, right, because if I brought war

461
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: to your house, you would be pro war in an instant, right.

462
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: So it's just a matter of defining terms and just

463
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: war theory and stuff like that, which they also have

464
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: no concept of. But it does show I'll say this,

465
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: it shows the damage that George W. Bush's administration did

466
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: to this country. They so misuse the trust of the

467
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Speaker 4: American public that we can't look at a country like

468
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Speaker 4: a Ran who has been for years threatening to destroy

469
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Speaker 4: our civilization and has bombed our Marine cor barracks and

470
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Speaker 4: has been the number one state sponsor of terrorism globally

471
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Speaker 4: and say, well, we can't let them get nukes. That

472
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Speaker 4: that seems like a pretty reasonable thing. The entire world

473
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Speaker 4: agrees on this. By the way, I don't even think

474
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: China and Russia want them to get nukes. They're just

475
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: using it to keep us wrapped up over there, right,

476
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: that would be that would be not great. So it's

477
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 4: like you have your personal opinions on stuff, and your

478
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 4: you know, your educational life. It's all going to inform

479
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: these opinions. So, which is why you need to get

480
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Speaker 4: more of those things.

481
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Speaker 2: Right.

482
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: The more data you get, the better off you're going

483
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 4: to be when you're making these decisions. It is completely

484
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Speaker 4: unreasonable to think that, you know, Iran should be allowed

485
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Speaker 4: to have nuclear weapons.

486
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Speaker 2: That's crazy. I don't like.

487
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Speaker 4: I honestly don't think anybody actually believes that. I think

488
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: some people are just being contrarian for its own sake.

489
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Speaker 4: But the other point you made was about Casimi Sola money.

490
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just.

491
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Speaker 4: It wasn't just the fact that Iran didn't retaliate. It's

492
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Speaker 4: that they called us and said, here's what we're going

493
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: to do. They did it in twenty twenty as well,

494
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 4: by the way, like it was it was broadcast that

495
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 4: they called Qatar to let them know where they were

496
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Speaker 4: going to hit before, but they did it in twenty

497
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Speaker 4: twenty as well, reported on it at the time, same

498
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: exact scenario happened. And the reason is because they don't

499
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Speaker 4: in fact have escalatory dominance in the region, which is

500
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Speaker 4: what Smith and all these other people said.

501
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson said it.

502
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: All these people were like on and on and on

503
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: about this, all the tragic stuff that was going to happen,

504
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 4: and it was a complete and utter failure of understanding

505
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: that situation. And now it's like the way that they

506
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: responded to that was not humility, which is something that

507
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 4: really bothered me. The way they responded to it was like,

508
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: oh no, us belly aching on Twitter is what stopped

509
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: Trump from launching a ground invasion, Like, are you out

510
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: of your fucking mind? You really like, you can't possibly

511
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Speaker 4: believe that, So to you know, I guess, reunify this

512
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: this group of people that came together to stop Kamala

513
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 4: Harris from really setting us on the wrong course. This

514
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: same group of people agreed on a lot of different stuff.

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 4: They agreed on getting all these illegals out of the country, right,

516
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: They agreed to not add to the debt, which we're

517
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: doing now.

518
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: But maybe short term we'll see.

519
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: I mean, anybody that's running business knows that sometimes you

520
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: got to dig a little deeper to get out. That's

521
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 4: just the way it is with the Fabian strategy, if

522
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: you want to call it that from war, but sometimes

523
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 4: you got to go a little deeper to get out.

524
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Speaker 4: We'll see how that works. I'll reserve judgment on that.

525
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: I don't like how it's gone so far, but I'll

526
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: reserve my final judgment on that. And the other thing

527
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: was exposing the corruption. Not one person who is involved

528
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: in any of this corruption has been brought to heal,

529
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: not one, not one person except for this woman who

530
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 4: trafficked a bunch of people to nobody apparently, right, So like,

531
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Speaker 4: if you want me to trust you as a as

532
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 4: a as a leader, somebody who's going to tell me

533
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: the truth, you sure shit can't lie to my face.

534
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 4: We know for a fact, and Mike Ben's, by the way,

535
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 4: has done great work articulated by this stuff. But we

536
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: know for a fact that Epstein's relationship with the CIA

537
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: began back during the Iran contra scandal, where he was

538
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: providing financial services to at Nakushogi. We have decades of

539
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: files on this dude, and the State Department literally leased

540
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: the largest rest second largest residence in all of New

541
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: York City for him. Don't lie to that face, tell

542
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: me anything, say, because you remember how the story has

543
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: changed over time. The files are like that, we can't

544
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: put it out because we're prosecuting people. We don't want

545
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: that to get out. Blah blah blah.

546
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Story change, story change, story change.

547
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: If this were a court of law, this person would

548
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 4: be completely disgraced by now all of those right, So

549
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: you know, I understand Bongino. I think he's a good

550
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: dude actually, and I think Cash is a good dude

551
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: as well. I think they're being strong armed, right, now,

552
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: and they're being pushed out into the limeline to take

553
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: the hit.

554
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: I hope Bonjina resigns. I hope he does.

555
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: I hope Cash does as well, because that's the only

556
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 4: thing that's ever going to save their reputation.

557
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: And Bondy's done.

558
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I bitched about Bondi getting nominated in

559
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: the first place, because she's the architect of red flag

560
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: laws at Florida.

561
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: What the fuck was you thinking? Right? That was never

562
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: that was never a good choice.

563
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: But these other two guys had some street cred, and

564
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: the administration so far has used their street cred not

565
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: to not to actually give credibility, but as cover right, yes,

566
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: which is a big problem, man.

567
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: And if I were either one of those dudes, I

568
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: would be pissed.

569
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Pissed.

570
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, your reputation shot, Like how do you even

571
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: rebuild it now? I mean, I mean I remember I

572
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: first really got immersed in following Bongino in like seventeen

573
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: because he was doing the best reporting on Russia Gate.

574
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: He had written the book Follow the Money, right, I mean,

575
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: he had gone down these rabbit holes on all these

576
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: different types of illegal corruption, and and then it emerged

577
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: and then it just then it just got to a

578
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: place where like he was dead on on all of

579
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: these things, and then to go in and be like

580
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm day one, I'm getting it. I'm it's over, and

581
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: I think you're you're spot on. It's like all right, you.

582
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting the way trust develops online, right, and for

583
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: you see it for some people it's it's it's much

584
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: different than for others. For some, like you said, those followers,

585
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: it's you put out a couple of pieces and then

586
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, you've got your your marching orders, and they

587
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: kind of you know that uh, mass formation psychosis that

588
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: doctor Robert Malone talks so exquisitely about. And but then

589
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: you have people that have been there or done that.

590
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: They're like no, no, no, no, no way. And in

591
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: my mind it's kind of the some of the leaders

592
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: of that that group of people who are calling out

593
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: all of these things is really the g WoT guys, right,

594
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: it's all of us who fell for a lot of

595
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: this stuff. Went in on the pretense that we were

596
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: save in America and you know under you know, yeah

597
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: we thought this. I think it was a lot more

598
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: the personal desires to do something bigger than yourself, which

599
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: led us into the spot where you take orders and

600
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't care where you send me. I'm going to

601
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: do my job and be a part of the team,

602
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: so to speak. But now it's it's so much different.

603
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It's evolved. It's evolved into a much more complex information

604
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: environment and information campaigns, and so being able to decipher

605
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: those and get back to a stated, maybe centralized, accepted

606
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: opinion for a mass group is I don't. I don't

607
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: think it's possible. I think that the crack is permanent.

608
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Just like most political right environments, you know, they come together,

609
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: they ascend, they reach power, and then you know, they

610
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: either get the shaft or they go about their own

611
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: corrupt business dealings themselves. What in your mind does the

612
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: next six months of the landscape look for look like

613
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: for a lot of these pundits that are out there,

614
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I guess we're loosely affiliated with that.

615
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: I think we call more strikes than balls, for sure,

616
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: But what do you see this emerging like?

617
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

618
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I work with an organization who identifies the

619
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: bought farm stuff specifically, actually had a call about it

620
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: this morning, and we're going to put out some specific

621
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: examples about individual posts made by creators that were influenced

622
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 4: in a way that made them blow up so people

623
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: can see it. Because I think sunlight's the best disinfectant,

624
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: you know. I think when people see that stuff, I

625
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: get DMS every single day. Like it's like, once you

626
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 4: pointed it out, I can't stop seeing it everywhere.

627
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Now.

628
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I think.

629
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: Like, to be honest, I think sixty sixty five percent

630
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: of the Internet is fake, especially that's a good number

631
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: and metal, Yeah.

632
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: I think I think it's pretty fake. What I don't

633
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: think is that.

634
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: I don't think any of these people are getting paid

635
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 4: by Russia or China or Israel or the US government

636
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: to say things. I think that they're benefiting from audience.

637
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: You know.

638
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: I think they're benefiting from ad revenue for sure, But

639
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: audience capture happens absent payment all the time.

640
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look at reality television. Most of the people

641
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: the Kardashians, the Kardashians make money, but the vast majority

642
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: of people in reality TV, they don't make shit. It's like,

643
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: at all, five to fifteen thousand dollars an episode, maybe, right,

644
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: Look Island two.

645
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: Point eight billion viewers of that show around the world

646
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and it's literally like watching I just can't even wrap

647
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: my but it's it's overwhelming, and these people are like

648
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars an episode or something crazy, and it's

649
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: all just exposure for sure.

650
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: So you can see that.

651
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 4: It's like, it doesn't require all of these extra steps

652
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: that we're adding to it to be an actual conspiracy.

653
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: The conspiracy is far more clever than that, right, because

654
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Speaker 4: there is no paper trail, there is no money to follow.

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Speaker 4: You have to follow the capture, which is quite a

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Speaker 4: bit more difficult, right because sometimes things legitimately blow up

657
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Speaker 4: for one reason or another, so it's a lot more

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Speaker 4: difficult to identify that.

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Speaker 2: And people also have men.

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Speaker 4: Just the memory span these days is so low, and

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Speaker 4: it's become the fact that we operate in such short

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Speaker 4: circuits now.

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Speaker 2: And here's a little here's a great example of this.

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Speaker 4: Go find your favorite movie or TV show for when

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Speaker 4: you were growing up, when you're like ten, eleven, twelve,

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Speaker 4: the first movie you watch with your dad or something

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Speaker 4: like that, and watch the opening credits and the opening scene.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be somewhere between like twelve and twenty

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Speaker 4: minutes that for those two things combined. Watch it now,

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00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: it's four minutes right. Any movie you see, it's the

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Speaker 4: credits are short, the opening scene is somewhere between ninety

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Speaker 4: minutes and or ninety seconds and three minutes, every single

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Speaker 4: one of them. That's where we are now, and it's

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Speaker 4: made us way more susceptible to this thing called the

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Speaker 4: Gellman amnesia effect and the gal Maan amnesia effect. The

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Speaker 4: best example that I was given to explain it is,

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Speaker 4: imagine you are somebody who dabbles in day trading.

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Speaker 2: Right, so you're on the stock.

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00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: Market and you go to the New York Times Financial section.

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00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: You flip the page six for their stock tips, and

681
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 4: they're wrong every single day. But you keep going back,

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Speaker 4: you keep going back, and this I'll bring this back

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00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: to these people who are alarmists all the time about everything.

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Speaker 4: It's only for attention they have. There's no substance there.

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00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: And the reason that it continues is because they never

686
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: have to pay a price, never pay a price for

687
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: being abjectly wrong about everything they say. They couch it

688
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: in a little bit of truth, and you know, well,

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Speaker 4: maybe it'll happen down the road, like maybe Iran's gonna

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Speaker 4: hit it, like Okay, so how long from now? In

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Speaker 4: the next ten years? If rand hits his ten years

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Speaker 4: from now, is that count?

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Now? That there wasn't

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Speaker 2: some retalent chef that fucked up? Man? You know what

695
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Speaker 2: I mean? It's like that.

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Speaker 4: But that's how it is. So for these pundits, I

697
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Speaker 4: think they're going to keep cruising along. To be honest,

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely gonna try and look, I'm not out to

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Speaker 4: get anybody. I think Dave is a really smart guy, actually,

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Speaker 4: and I think on his domestic like he and I,

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Speaker 4: if you compared our domestic ideas, you would be hard

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Speaker 4: pressed to find any difference at all, to be frank,

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Speaker 4: and even for most foreign policy stuff, I think he

704
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Speaker 4: and I would be pretty close on it. But for

705
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: this stuff, that's all alarm us right now? Is it is?

706
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: It is a symptom of something right, It's not real.

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: None of that stuff is real. And I like Tucker too.

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Speaker 4: I think Tucker is a good guy. I think he's

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Speaker 4: captured by some of this stuff for one reason or another.

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Speaker 4: I don't think any of these are getting paid by somebody.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessary. And I also think they're

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Speaker 4: good people like I know Tucker. I think he's a

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00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 4: good man. He's not doing this shit to hurt anybody,

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Speaker 4: and he's not getting paid by some foreign government to

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Speaker 4: sell out his own country.

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Speaker 2: That shit is not happening, right. You have a disagreement

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 4: His methodology is probably flawed based on what I understand

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 4: about this situation, but that doesn't make him a bad person.

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Speaker 4: And treating him as such, or treating Dave or any

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Speaker 4: these other guys as such, who what favor are you

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Speaker 4: doing to whom? By doing that, all you're doing is

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Speaker 4: further entrenching the people that listen to him in their

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Speaker 4: getting farther apart, and that's not helping anybody.

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Speaker 1: But that seems to be the case throughout all history.

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Speaker 1: I think now it's we're in this, you know it.

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Speaker 1: It's exacerbated and accelerated because everything is happening and you know,

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Speaker 1: instantaneous capacity, right, So people don't even have the time

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Speaker 1: to formulate enough opinions on what took place yesterday for

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Speaker 1: the argument that's coming tomorrow. And that's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: you do a really good job when you lean into

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Speaker 1: these subjects and really really, you know, deconstruct them down to,

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Speaker 1: like you said, those core principles and that that really

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Speaker 1: benefits people measurably.

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Speaker 3: All Right, So, is there a way.

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Speaker 1: In the next you know, four to six months for

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Speaker 1: the president and his team uh to do the appropriate

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Speaker 1: damage control and and to uh regain some confidence in

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Speaker 1: your opinion?

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Speaker 3: What does that look like specifically.

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Speaker 2: To me?

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Speaker 4: When there's something like this, the only way to really

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Speaker 4: restore confidence is to put it out in public, don't

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Speaker 4: I don't think that like there's a lot of conspiracies

779
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: about this or that about Trump and the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you firsthand that he's not criminally involved

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Speaker 4: in anything. I've heard from people in the intelligence community

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Speaker 4: that have poured over the stuff there are. There is

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Speaker 4: some weird stuff, not weird like in a sexual way

784
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Speaker 4: or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Stuff about how he and like allegedly he and Millennia.

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Speaker 4: Were introduced by Epstein, right, and that's embarrassing for him.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about that that that has Trump is

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Speaker 4: another person I think is a good man, right. He's

789
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Speaker 4: different than me. He grew up a billionaire in New York.

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Speaker 4: We have some different values for sure. And he's also

791
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: on a ticking clock because he's only got this one

792
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Speaker 4: term to do his stuff. So I understand why he

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: rushes through certain things. I understand he's he's moderated quite

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Speaker 4: a bit. When I say moderated, he's not calling everybody

795
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: assholes now only now and then, right, So he's I

796
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 4: think he's a good man too.

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00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: He's doing a lot of cool stuff.

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Speaker 4: My sincere opinion about that is that he is he

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00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: doesn't want to be the president in charge when this

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Speaker 4: all collapses, and that's probably what would happen if he

801
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 4: told everybody everything. I think he should still do it, don't.

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00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. If a system is built

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Speaker 4: on this evil, then it needs to collapse. But as

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Speaker 4: far as what they could do to rebuild this stuff,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that anything can be done, because what

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Speaker 4: they're going to try to do is message their way

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Speaker 4: out of it, and I don't think that's going to work,

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Speaker 4: especially when you know, if you're a typical Trump voter

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Speaker 4: from twenty sixteen, a rural person who is probably middle

810
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Speaker 4: to lower middle class, and you just saw the big

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Speaker 4: beautiful bill add a bunch of debt right that we're

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Speaker 4: going to have to pay for it at some point, and

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Speaker 4: you saw it raised the salt deduction from ten percent

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Speaker 4: to forty percent if anybody's even tracking on this, So

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Speaker 4: now New York City and Los Angeles and San Francisco,

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Speaker 4: anybody that lives there can write off forty percent or

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, up to forty thousand dollars in their state

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00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 4: local taxes, right, which means you're going to now pay

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Speaker 4: a higher effective federal tax rate than this person that

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Speaker 4: lives in the shithole that voted the wrong You did

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Speaker 4: the right thing. You did the right thing, and now

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Speaker 4: you're going to get penalized for it. Anyways, I think

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Speaker 4: that's kind of stuff is really hard to come back from,

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Speaker 4: to be honest. And I really think that in September,

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Speaker 4: if this recision bill that they're talking about during the

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Speaker 4: reconciliation process doesn't hammer federal spending in a meaningful way,

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Speaker 4: then they're going to be fucked in twenty six.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt I agree wholeheartedly with you. I think

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Speaker 1: the only messaging that's going to distract the American public

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Speaker 1: right now is continue the tariffs, continue walloping these other

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Speaker 1: countries getting paid back. I think that's a great diversion

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Speaker 1: from it. And then for me, I think you relaunch

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Speaker 1: this whole thing with the FED. I think you really

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Speaker 1: dig in, you start to confront. I think you start

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Speaker 1: talking about an audit of the FED. I think you

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Speaker 1: talk about out the Fort Knox stuff. You know, because

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Speaker 1: the one thing I think that the two biggest things

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Speaker 1: that people will not tolerate is is children getting hurt, right,

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Speaker 1: children being objectified, children being attacked, children.

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Speaker 3: Being wronged, And the other is money.

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Speaker 1: And you know, at thirty eight trillion dollars, you know,

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Speaker 1: and just printing money in ways we can't even fathom.

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Speaker 1: You better give the American people some type of hope that, yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: there is a way to rain this in, Like, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tear if we're gonna do this, But the

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Speaker 1: next one, like you said in the fall, we're gonna

848
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Speaker 1: start slashing the budget.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think those are the only

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Speaker 3: two ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, another.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to just hammer on people on my

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Speaker 4: own side, although I do feel like it's our responsibility

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Speaker 4: to keep our own part.

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Speaker 2: Of the field clean, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And not like there are bad actors, but we got

857
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Speaker 4: to hold each other. They accountable when things are right wrong.

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00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: But the left is stupid too, and quite a bit

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00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: more stupid than the right is. Let's be clear about that.

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Speaker 4: Like this whole idea from the left and neocons that

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Speaker 4: tariffs are going to cause inflation. I think inflation was

862
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: one point eight three percent last month, Like fuck off, dude,

863
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: We're just like it's we know this not to be true.

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Speaker 4: And Jerome Palin needs to get fired out of a

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Speaker 4: cannon into the sun or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Guy's completely useless.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, to your point about you know, giving people

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Speaker 4: wins is what it's about. They tried, by the way,

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Speaker 4: with the Brennan Comey stuff, Like they tried to put

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Speaker 4: that out the day after this, and like nobody is

871
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 4: talking about that. Nobody on the right gives two fucks.

872
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Speaker 4: And to be clear, they're both assholes. They both tried

873
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Speaker 4: to steal an election and get Trump thrown in prison. Right,

874
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: there's no question about that. It's not treason because it

875
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 4: doesn't involve a foreign adversary, but it's definitely something it's

876
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Speaker 4: definitely a crime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So but that is that might be one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest conspiracies in the history of this country. And it

880
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: just happened, and nobody's talking about it because they're so

881
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: pissed off about this, Right, so you're gonna have to

882
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: do something big, really, I mean, I like the terrorists.

883
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Speaker 4: I think they're doing it. I think Trump. Trump's foreign

884
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Speaker 4: policy so far has been great. Like, certainly he can't

885
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Speaker 4: control Zelenski or putin people give a little bit of

886
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: shit for the Rush of Ukraine thing, But literally everything

887
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: else he's done, from dealing with Mody and India to

888
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Speaker 4: dealing with net and Yahoo and keeping that lunatic from

889
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: going completely full retard, you know what I mean, because

890
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Speaker 4: you know that he's he's managing a lot foreign policy wise,

891
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Speaker 4: and I think he's mostly made the right decisions there,

892
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Speaker 4: so I have no complaints about that. But you know,

893
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Speaker 4: wins have to be big and they have to be

894
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 4: personal right for people to care. If it's the country

895
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Speaker 4: winning a war, that means something people. His approval ratings

896
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: went up after that Iranian bombing, not down right, but

897
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Speaker 4: since June, since the end of June, they've gone down

898
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: ten points because of the beautiful Bill and because of

899
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: this Epstein shit. So he's not stupid, He's a smart man.

900
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Speaker 4: I think he'll probably figure something out here in the meantime.

901
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: But I think he also knows that they got to

902
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Speaker 4: cut a lot of spending sometime soon, right probably in September,

903
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Speaker 4: because I don't think you'll have another chance to do

904
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Speaker 4: it after that, and you have to give people individual

905
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Speaker 4: wins somehow.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what his plan is on that.

907
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, neither do I.

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Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be certainly fascinating to see the next

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Uh Dan, Again, just truly appreciate your

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Speaker 1: insight and your thoughts and your wisdom.

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Speaker 3: And I love the idea that we have to.

912
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Speaker 1: Hold each other accountable in our sphere of influence and

913
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Speaker 1: and and do so in a way that's that's not

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Speaker 1: damning or calling people out or acting like assholes.

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Speaker 4: Right, sure, I mean, like we're dudes, so we're going

916
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Speaker 4: to call each other assholes.

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Speaker 2: But then, God, then you have to do step two.

918
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: You have to go drink the beer afterwards. Right, you

919
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: got to do both things. It's not what We're not

920
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Speaker 2: here to make enemies obviously, right, that's not the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is to get the right answer.

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Speaker 4: And if you know you're gonna be I just warned

923
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Speaker 4: people you're gonna be wrong at some point.

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Speaker 2: I've done the math for myself. I do a lot

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Speaker 2: of shows.

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Speaker 4: If one percent of the stuff I say is wrong

927
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Speaker 4: or stupid, that's three and a half minutes per week

928
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Speaker 4: since twenty eighteen. Right, so there's plenty of stupid shit

929
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Speaker 4: that I've said, misspoken things, didn't know the right answer,

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Speaker 4: said something dumb.

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Speaker 2: And you know I've I've enjoyed. Well, I don't give

932
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Speaker 2: a fuck if somebody comes at me, and go come

933
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Speaker 2: at me if I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I don't give

934
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Speaker 2: a shit, right, I'll just correct it.

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Speaker 4: But you know I have been given uh you know

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Speaker 4: I I think I've to some degree earned a little

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Speaker 4: bit of grace here and there. And the way you

938
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Speaker 4: earn it is by giving it. That's how grace works. Right,

939
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Speaker 4: So I'll actually to people the purpose is to get

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Speaker 4: the right answer, not to dance on each other's graves.

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Speaker 2: You, that serves no purpose whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I agree, oh heartily, Dan, fellow penn Stater buddy, Thank

943
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Speaker 1: you so much.

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Speaker 3: God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing, and maybe in a month

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Speaker 1: or two we'll get you back on and that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 3: God bless you, brother,