1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Wake programming your Alarm the Power five point one on iHeartRadio. YEP, 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: it's the world most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Charlamagne the God, DJ NV, just hilarious, Nvy and jets 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: on here but ll Kolbay Lauryn LaRosa is and we 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: got a special guest Man. He was recently appointed the 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Zoran Mundani's Transition team. Definitely a friend to the room. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: The good brother Mice on his hand with something. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: Mice, thank you for having what's going on with your 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: autographics for me? Man? This is the first let me see, 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: this is the first time I actually see I don't 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: even have not even see it like in person. I've 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: just seen it online. Wow. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Well, before before we get into that, what does your 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: role on Zoran Mundani's Transition Team entail? 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: It entails being an advisor, being able to talk about 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: policies that we think should be implemented, from criminal justice, 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: from public safety, also appointments people that we think should 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: be a part of his staff that in that area 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: that we feel best fit, what it is that he 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: wants to accomplish, and what represents us in the community. 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: So what power do you have to actually influence policy? 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Because you know, people will be like, oh, it's just optics. 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: You get somebody like Mason as well respected in the city, like, 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: what power do you have that. 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: It's twenty of us. It's twenty of us on in 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: that committee. Right. So we sit down and we talk 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: about policy. We have different meetings and we send Okay, 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: this is the policy we think we shouldn't act and 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: he gets to look at that based off you know what. 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: We come together and he makes his own decision. We 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: don't just tell him what to do. We all we 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: can do is advise and give recommendations. 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: Hater love mom, Donnie Right. People have been yelling that 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: they want this, They want people in the community, from 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: the community helping to make decisions. 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: Why are people so upset that's happening? 37 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: Because you know, people don't like change, especially the people 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: that don't want to see change. They want to make 39 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: it seem like it's a bad thing. It doesn't make 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: sense that you mad that somebody who's experienced a criminal 41 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: justice system on both fans, who was wrongfully convicted inside 42 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: prison for seven years, came home and started working with 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: youth inside prison, started you know, dealing with reform organizations. 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: Who has influenced policy within prisons. Who knows, you know, 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: the mind state of the young kids that's going in 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: and out of these prisons, that's actually working with him. 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense that somebody would be mad. So 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: I love what ma and Mandami is. Manlek right now 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: is doing right now because he's really trying to encompass 50 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: what New York looks like, the people inside New York, 51 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: the voices of New York. I'm about to do start 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: doing roundtable meetings and convenience with formerly incarcerated individuals in 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: which we sit down and we talk about what it is, 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: what it looks like to actually be productive members of society, 55 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: what do we want to see, What do we realize 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: is wrong with the system, so he can actually get 57 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: a real understanding of what's happening inside the system. 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I try not to take too many things personal, man, 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: But when I saw this on the front page of 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: the New York Post, you labeled as a crime boss 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: Mandonia points rapper who served seven years for armed robbery 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: as justice advisor, it actually offended me as a person 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: with a criminal record, because it's like, damn, my son 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: went to prisoner what nineteen ninety nine. 65 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: How owe you twenty yep, twenty one. You are forty seven, 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: forty hyol grown man. 67 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Now you've done nothing since you've came home but given 68 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: back to your community, but tried to teach others not 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: to follow the same path. 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: And you still can't escape that. 71 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: Well, you know, but I say all the time, with 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: the devil means for bad, God of you for good. 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: They got a good picture. So I actually like this 74 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: picture you're wearing. You know what black I'm saying when 75 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: you look is boycott black murder on the shirt. And 76 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: it had and we actually sold out, so you can 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: you can go buy some more on the website if 78 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: you want to, until freedom dot com. But it actually 79 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: shows what it is that I represent. So what happened 80 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: was for me when I see I received so many congratulations, 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: Like people didn't even realize that they were actually trying to, 82 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: you know, discredit and defame me. People were just like, 83 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: while you you you're doing something with the mayor, you're 84 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: actually you know, a part of the justice advisory system 85 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: with the mayor. So it was it was it didn't 86 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: even get the effect that they wanted to get. So 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: it was for me, it was like you know what, 88 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna utilize. I'm not gonna allow them to 89 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: utilize that to discourage me from the work that I've 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: been doing for the last over a decade. You know, 91 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: with until Freedom, we've been doing this anti violence work. 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: We've been doing criminal justice work for the last over 93 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: a decade. So for me, it's like I'm gonna continue 94 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna utilize this this notoriety in which you'all 95 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: mean for bad, I'm gonna utilize it. I'm gonna make 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: sure that you know, the world gets out. I'm gonna 97 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: make sure that I represent formally in cost raised and 98 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: justice impacted people properly. So when they say, oh we 99 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: can't do I want I want to be a representative 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: to say that Mason showed you that it's definitely possible 101 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: that you can be successful. 102 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: Did that because I mean, you've been doing this for 103 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: a long time, like you know what I mean. But 104 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: did this moment and how like a New York Post 105 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: or you know wherever else mentioned you, did it turn 106 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: up something new or like make you think of like, Okay, 107 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: we need to make sure we're doing this over here too, 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: Like was there like a blind spot that like you 109 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: saw through all this. 110 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a blind spot, but 111 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: it definitely was a level of urgency and made me 112 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: feel more, you know, motivated to do the work that 113 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: we've been doing to motivated to bring certain voices because 114 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, I say this all the time, there's so 115 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: many formally incarcerated people who are doing so many positive 116 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: and you know, just really good things that nobody talks about, 117 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: you know, And that's the thing I want to highlight. 118 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: I don't want because a lot of people formally incarcerated 119 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: don't believe that they can do certain things. They don't 120 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: believe that they can be successful, and most the public 121 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: perception is that too as well. So I want to 122 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: be able to highlight people that come home that have 123 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: been doing this work for years, who've been doing positive 124 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: things for years, who've been productive members of society. You know. 125 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: They always people act like they don't know Alan Iverson 126 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: was formally incars, you know, like it's so many people 127 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: that we talk about that was forming in Customers Command, 128 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: Malcolm Iction is formally incarcerated, and it's like we just 129 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: we look down on the stigma and when we talk 130 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: about formally incarcerated a lot of people don't act like 131 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: they know that Black people are the highest falsely accused 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: and exonerated people in the world. So so a lot 133 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: of us, like I said, I was falsely accused of 134 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: a crime. I spent seven years in jail for crime 135 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: I didn't commit. I went to trial for my case. 136 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of us just because there's 137 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: the stigma of us being arrested and incarcerated, they make 138 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: it seem like we're a threat to society and we 139 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: just criminals. And some people have committed crimes, but some 140 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: people like when you go to the justice, when you 141 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: go to the the prison, right, it's supposed to be rehabilitation. 142 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: So if a person does his time and he comes 143 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: on and he's productive, why do we act like he 144 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 2: can't be productive. 145 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: And they're focusing on your past. But that is the 146 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: very thing that qualifies you for the role. How do 147 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: you feel about that? 148 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: I think that is so ironic or it's just disingenuous 149 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: to say that when we got to a president that 150 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: got thirty four felonies and his whole cabinet is full 151 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: of criminals. Right, So, but we look at especially black people, 152 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: we act like we can't do certain things. And I 153 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: say all the time, this is those closest to the 154 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: problem are close as the solution, you know, sitting in 155 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: the cell for seven years, you know, seeing how the 156 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: injustice system works, seeing how inmates are treated, and how 157 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: people are sitting. A brother just was killed, you know, 158 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: he was executed, and they found out four or five 159 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: years later that his DNA didn't match it. He was 160 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: actually innocent. So these are things that happened every day 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: in the justice system, and people like myself who've actually 162 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: experienced it will understand that and see the blind spots 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: because somebody who just went to school and studied law 164 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: never understood those realities. A lot of times, I've watched 165 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: a lot of elected officials. I've watched people who studied 166 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: the law and then they actually got incarcerated and they 167 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: came home and have conversation with me like I didn't 168 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: realize what was going on, and they becoming biggest advocates 169 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: for prison reform before, you know, those type of things. 170 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: So I just think that I've been blessed with the opportunity, 171 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, and God created for me for such a 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: time as now. You know, I never understood when I 173 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: was incarcerated. When you sitting in jail for seven years 174 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: for a crime you didn't do, you don't understand what 175 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: you're in there for. It, especially you got a million 176 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: dollar record deal. You're sitting in the jail cell and 177 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: you're like, why the hell am I sitting in jail? 178 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: And it was days that that was my conversation. And 179 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: you know what, I always said that I'm not gonna 180 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: allow this system to break me because every day that 181 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: I don't grow, and I don't learn, and I don't 182 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: do things positive in the system. One So when I 183 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: came home and I started realizing, oh why I was 184 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: in there. I started realizing that that our people are 185 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: overly incarcerated, especially young black and brown mass They're overly incarcerated. 186 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: Some of them are just lost, they don't even identify 187 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: with things. So I came home with a different perspective 188 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: is to say, you know what, I'm gonna pour into 189 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: my community different I'm gonna empower these young boys. I'm 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: not gonna make them think that prison is some way 191 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: to be. But I'm also not gonna make you believe 192 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,119 Speaker 2: that because you was in prison, that you can't be successful. 193 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: And I wanted to come home and model that behavior. 194 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: And I think for the last twenty year that I've 195 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: been out of jail. You know, my crime happened in 196 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: ninety nine. It's twenty six years later, and y'all still 197 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: talking about a crime that happened twenty six years later. 198 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: But y'are not looking at the track record for the 199 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: last twenty years that I've been home and I've been 200 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: on this ground putting put boots on the ground of 201 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: doing this work. 202 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: Are you going to take any legal action against some 203 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: of the headlines and stuff that came out. 204 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You know, I'll discuss it 205 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: with some lawyers and see what happens. But really, right now, 206 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: I really just want to focus on just doing this work. 207 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, shout out to me and my Daminus team, 208 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: you know, my team until freedom. We've been doing this work. 209 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: And you know, like I tell people, this is this 210 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: is a volunteer. I'm not getting no check for this. 211 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: This is a volunteer and not because I really believe 212 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,239 Speaker 2: in what's supposed to be going on in our communities. 213 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to start forums where we talk 214 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: about civic engagement with formally in custory we talk about, 215 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: you know, how hard it is for them to be employed, 216 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: the you know, the collateral damages and causes that happen 217 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: till you come on from jail and you can't be 218 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: a bar bro. You can't be adore all these things 219 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: that have We want to talk about those things, and 220 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 2: then we want to talk about how what's the next 221 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: step forward. You know, women that's being incarcerated, We're going 222 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: to start these convenience and we're gonna have them all 223 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: at the table. Like that is one of the biggest 224 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: voting blocks in the world that nobody is really tapped into. 225 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: Formally incarcerated people. A lot of them don't even realize 226 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: they can vote, you know how strong they are. There's 227 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: millions of people who are formally incarcerated that have really 228 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: just lost belief in the system. So I me being 229 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: on the inside understanding how it can make change. How 230 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: somebody like when when you get somebody like Mandami in 231 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: in Mandani in office right now, and you you get 232 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: behind them and you you push the agenda of what 233 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: it is. You know, because we're going to push the agenda. 234 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 2: People think, oh you you and you with the government. Nah, 235 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: if they do something wrong, I'm gonna be outside protest 236 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: to Mandamie too, because that's what we do. Like we've 237 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: been just like when Dublasio was in there, we helped 238 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: de Blasio get an office. When he didn't do what 239 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: we did, we was at the when he was at 240 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: the presidential we stood up inside the DNC and screen 241 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: that what happened to a regarda arrest Daniel pantulet wer regard. 242 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: Just like when may Adams got elected, we was I 243 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 2: was with him too when he started doing things and 244 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: letting the police police do things to community members. We's 245 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: outside protested. So it's no different. As long as he's 246 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: you know, doing what he's supposed to do for the 247 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: community and agenda for the community, we're gonna stand with 248 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: him and we're gonna we're gonna give our input and 249 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna stand beside him. But the minute he stops, 250 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: then we're gonna be outside with the people. 251 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad you touched on that because you know a 252 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: lot of activists often fear being absorbed by politics. So 253 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: how are you protecting your voice and integrity while working 254 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: with this transition team? 255 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to work with people that actually 256 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: are in positions to put policy to make the real 257 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: changes you want, and I've seen it done. Shout out 258 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: to my brother Jimini Williams, Like we've worked with Jimini Williams, 259 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, and we worked with numerous different you know, 260 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: my brother Yusuf Salam from the Central Park, the exonerated, 261 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: exonerated five exactly. So it's people that I know in 262 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: positions that have actually on things in our community. So 263 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: I know that you have to have those levels of relationships. 264 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: But those people, they also know that when you do 265 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: something wrong, we're gonna be outside your office saying that 266 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: you gotta get it right. We're not gonna we understand 267 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: that you have our best entry, but the minute that 268 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: you don't, then we're always gonna hold you accountable. So 269 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 2: I understand people's, you know, fear that because activists get 270 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: aligned or stand next to certain politicians and people in office, 271 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: that they're gonna lose their autonomy. But we just not 272 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: those type of people. We've been fighting against anything that's 273 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: not for our people. We're gonna fight against every time. 274 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: Man Mayor Young, Well, that said Mayor Young. Andrew Young 275 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: was up here. 276 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: And Andrew Young said, the same people who supported him 277 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: and helped him get elected. He said, as soon as 278 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: he won, they were outside protesting in his front of 279 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: his office and he was like, what are y'all doing? 280 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: He goes, they said, you the man. Now, Yeah, so 281 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: we got to push you to make sure you do 282 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: what you said you was gonna do. 283 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: And that's what it is, man. It's about accountability. It's 284 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: about understanding that I work for the people. I do 285 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: not work for the government. When I'm inside these rooms, 286 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: when I'm having conversations, when I'm at these tables, my 287 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: objective is always to get what's necessary for the people. 288 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: You know, So it never changes, no matter how much status. 289 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 2: That's just not how I'm built. You know, I've done 290 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: too much time. I've been in the streets. I know 291 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: the ills and the spills inside our communities, and I 292 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: know I want them, the community to know that every 293 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: time that I'm at a table, our voice is there. 294 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: It's not just for me, Like I said, this is 295 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: a volitier. I don't get it down to do this work. 296 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: It's not for me. It's for me to make sure 297 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: that the work and the people are represented. 298 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: Popularly, you talked about until freedom, Like you guys send 299 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: it next to Mayor Adams and now what you're doing 300 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: with mom, Donnie? 301 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: Right. 302 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: I think when hip hop gets involved or anybody from 303 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: the culture gets involved in politics, people pay attention a 304 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: bit more. But then like now, people are easily flipped right, 305 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: Like you're on the front of the New York Post 306 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: and the support isn't the same. What do you think 307 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: politics or the system owns hip hop or people from 308 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: the culture like you that you don't get. 309 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: I think like it owes proper representation, right. What happens 310 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: with a lot of politicians is a shout out to 311 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: man Dommie Again, he didn't run from when I got 312 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: when this happened and they talked about it. He talked 313 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: about the necessity to have somebody who's been through the system, 314 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, at the table with other weed. Like I said, 315 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: is a whole transition team of four hundred people. It's 316 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: twenty an hour in our criminal justice and community support, 317 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: but it's over four hundred people, and everybody at that 318 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: table has a voice, and everybody represents somebody different or 319 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: a different genre, a different demographic inside of New York City, 320 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: and those voices need to be at the table. What 321 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: I think that politicians need to do is elevate certain people, 322 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: especially in hip hop. Don't leave us because what happens 323 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: is when something goes wrong or they don't and you 324 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: standing up there. I've had this conversation with Pap whose 325 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: Pap was like I was on the front line and 326 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: I was standing and these politicians left me out the drive. 327 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. When you start getting political, 328 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: too political for hip hop, they move away from you. 329 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: And the politicians move away from you too because they 330 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: don't no longer have the value and you no more 331 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: because you lose your value in your community. But for me, 332 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: I've always stand on what I stand on, so I 333 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: don't care about what politics think. If I stand by 334 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: a politician, that means that that politician represents what I 335 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: feel at that moment. The minute that that politician politician 336 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: doesn't represent what's the needs of my community or what 337 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: I stand on, that I don't stand on them, So 338 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: don't I don't deal with no blanket like you always say. 339 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: I'm not with no party. I don't care about the 340 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: Democrats Republicans. I care about people, and especially black people 341 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: in our communities because that's what I am, and I 342 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: know that we are highly impacted by anything that goes 343 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: on the government. So when people are talking about, oh, 344 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm not political this and if you ain't at the table, 345 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: then you're on the menu. But that's the reality of 346 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: the situation. These people are making laws, they are going 347 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: to be laws passed that are going to affect you. 348 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: If you're looking at this, if you're looking at this 349 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: administration right now, and you don't see how our people 350 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: are being infected, how people can afford groceries, how they're 351 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: taking away everything that says black anywhere, that a black 352 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: woman are getting unemployed, unemployed at the highest rates ever, 353 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: like we're getting locked up. Everything that I told you 354 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: they was gonna do is what they doing now. So 355 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: if you still want to play this that you're not 356 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: political and you're not gonna be involved in the game, 357 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: then cool, You're just going to be a victim of circumstance. 358 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit around and be a victim of circumstance. 359 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: What's one compromise you're not willing to make, even if 360 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: it creates political tension between you and Donnie. 361 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: I'm not willing to make compromises where you take away 362 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: things in our communities that are necessary. Right, I'm not 363 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: willing to make compromises where we know that violence interruption 364 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: and CMS work has been doing phenomenal work over the 365 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: last decade in our community and you don't support that. 366 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: I'm not willing to compromise where you don't put certain 367 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: things inside schools, because this is one of the things 368 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: I want to implement, is where we have emotional intelligence class, 369 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: we have alternative to suspension. Last, we know that once 370 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: you start putting kids and putting them suspending them in 371 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: junior high school, they not coming back to school. So 372 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: if you're not willing to if you're not willing to 373 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: get the root causes or what crime is in our community, 374 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: if you're not willing to educate and put the resources 375 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: in our communities. If I, if I see that those 376 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: things are you not doing, that's a line in the 377 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: sand for me. If you if you're willing to stand 378 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: by and allow police to abuse people like Mayor Adams, 379 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: a police overs a punch of the woman in the 380 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: face and he told me she shouldn't have been screaming. 381 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Once you start doing that right there at that point 382 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: that me and you, we were on different sides of 383 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: the spectrum, So I don't. That's where I drawed a line. 384 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: When you when you're willing to allow the police to 385 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: abuse our community, or you're willing not to make sure 386 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: that resources that need to come into our community to 387 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: prevent violence and prevent crime, if you're not willing to 388 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: do that, then that's where I draw the line. 389 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: What convinced you that Zoran Mundani was serious about transformational 390 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: change and not just using like progressive language. 391 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: That's a good question, right, because I watched zoron for 392 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: a while, and you know, I think I had after 393 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: this last election, I had just fairly much just been 394 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: kind of done with politics and just you know, politicians 395 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 2: in general. But just listen, just I listened to him 396 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: for a while, right, and I just kept paying attention. 397 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: And then when he won the Democratic nomination, I said 398 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: to myself, well, he's going to be our mayor, right, 399 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: so I want to have a conversation with him, and 400 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: through the resources that I have and people that I know, 401 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I want to set up conversations. 402 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: Shout out to Tamika. I want to set up conversations 403 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 2: with black men and people for my community, because they 404 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: don't even hear him and he sounds good, but I 405 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: want to be able to look him in his eyes 406 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: and have real conversations with him. And he came into 407 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: those conversations. We had about two or three of them, 408 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: and he was very attentive right, and he was on 409 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: He was on board with the things that we were saying. 410 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: And he did it didn't sound like it was political 411 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 2: gibbor jazz like the average person does. I I've been 412 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: around life positives and he seemed really authentic and he 413 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: stayed true to that, and I watched him be attacked 414 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: for it all the time. And he kept saying, we 415 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: need violences to rupt us. We need to make sure 416 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: that we have mental health inside our communities. We need 417 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: to make sure that police is not the first line 418 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: of defense in every situation. Like those are things that 419 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: will tell me. He said, we need to make sure 420 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: that the school program is that black boys are graduate. 421 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: All these things that he was talking about. When he 422 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: sat down with us, everybody felt that same authenticity. And 423 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: then when he built this transition team, and I walked 424 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: into auditorium with four hundred people, a lot of them 425 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: grassroots organizers that I seen throughout the years. For the 426 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: last over a decade, and everybody was in that room, 427 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: and he sat there. He said, we're gonna get criticism 428 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: and we're not gonna all agree. And I know that, 429 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: and that's why I'm putting this team together because I 430 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: don't want everybody that agrees with me. I want different 431 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: walks of life. I want different ideologies. I want different ideas, 432 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: and I want us to come up what New York 433 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: actually looks like. And that for me, was the first 434 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: time that I've ever seen somebody do. I watched three 435 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 2: or four men's coming office. They get their regular they 436 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: get their homeboys, and the transition team, they get their 437 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: homeboys in it. But he really put together apparatus that 438 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: really is going to represent New York City. So I'm hopeful. 439 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: I believe that he's really gonna try. I don't think 440 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: that he's beholden to a political system. I don't think 441 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: he needs money or anything. I think he really wants 442 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 2: to see change, you know. So if I'm right, if 443 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: my gut feeling is right, then we're gonna be good 444 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: for at least the next four years. But if not, 445 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: then I'm gonna be outside protests. 446 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 4: I already be getting really challenged behind closed doors. 447 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: Oh hearing about this one call with miss Erica. 448 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: For she came into the transition meeting right and she 449 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: called him out. She's like, well, I see certain people 450 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: in here that's been a part of the status quo 451 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: that you got in your system already, and and they 452 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: ain't been doing nothing. You know, all they doing is 453 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: these people is they investigating these kids thirteen and fourteen 454 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: for four and five years instead of coming to us 455 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: and say, yo, this was going on so we can redirect. 456 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: They just want to put cases on our babies. Like 457 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: we trying to save these babies, and they putting cases 458 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: on these kids. And he stood up and he said, 459 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: what you're saying is really understand. I understand what you're saying, 460 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: and that's what we need. We need your voice because 461 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: those are the things that needs to be heard because 462 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: a lot of us don't have that perspective. Her and 463 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: she's gonna always do that. And even her, she was like, Okay, 464 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: well maybe we got some but she you know, Erika 465 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: ain't gonna she ain't got all. She's not gonna submit 466 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: to nothing. But you know, I think at this point 467 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: it's a lot of us who are skeptical it's a 468 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: lot of people at that table who not here. They 469 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: don't want status quo, they don't even agree with government 470 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: or nothing, but they believe that this situation is possible, 471 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 2: you know. But once again, if it ain't possible, then 472 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 2: we're gonna be outside tearing you up. 473 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: What about when he like when mom Donnie does things 474 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: like when he goes and meets with Trump. I know 475 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: he got a lot of like pushback from some people 476 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: because they were like, really smiley smiley in the meeting 477 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: or whatever. Until freedom, y'all are very much like, if 478 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: we won't rock with you, we don't rock with you. 479 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: What we said is what we stand on in your 480 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: face or behind your back whatever. Right, how do y'all 481 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: deal with conversations with him about stuff like that? Because 482 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 3: now people are like, but you guys are sitting next 483 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: to him, and that we know of for until freedom, 484 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: y'all we went and see you guys end up meeting 485 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: with President Trump. 486 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm not the man, right, That's what 487 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: when you know what I'm saying, That's why when they 488 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: say run for political officers, I don't want to do 489 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: that because I don't want to do politics. But I 490 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: understand that being the mayor, understanding that this is the 491 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: president and federal aid that's needed for New York City 492 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: has to go through the president. I'm gonna have a 493 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: conversation with you. I'm gonna sit down as the mayor. 494 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: I understood it what I have done. No, that's why 495 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the man. But understanding. But I believe 496 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: when I watched that, it looked like Trump was happy 497 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: to be in his president. Didn't look like he was 498 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: just happy to be in Trump's president. And he called 499 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: him a fashions in his face. And to me, that's 500 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: what he didn't waiver from what he said he was doing. 501 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: He said he sat down, he told him, this is 502 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: what we need inside of New York City, and this 503 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: is where and now we've had the conversation. Right, It's 504 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: just like two warriors on the war. You see two 505 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: generals go to war. Don't mean that we not at 506 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: war no more, but we discussed in terms of war. 507 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: I'm explaining to you, look, if you stop this right now, 508 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: then we don't got to go to the war. And 509 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: you're saying, well, I'm not gonna stop that, and you say, okay, 510 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: so you sure you're not gonna stop that. All right, 511 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 2: we've met. We shook hands. Robert de Niro and al Pacino. 512 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: They they respect, they may have had a level of respect, 513 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: and they shook hands, but it didn't stop, you know, 514 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: Alba Pacino from shooting him down at the end of 515 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: the movie. So that's what happens in these type of situations. 516 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: He met with the president. Now if he's and now 517 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: if he stops his agenda, if he stops trying to 518 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: push his agenda, because now he's trying to be you know, 519 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: cool with Trump, then once again, you just one of 520 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: those that fell by the wayside, because we watch Eric 521 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: Adams do that, right, So if you follow them for that, 522 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: I would be disappointed. I just don't really see it. 523 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: I think the meeting was, you know, par for the course. 524 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: It was saying, hey, I met with the president, right, 525 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: I told him what I wanted, and I'm still going 526 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: along with my agenda. Now, don't say that I didn't 527 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: try it. Ain't nobody gonna be able to say, oh, 528 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: look you you and you're not even savvy enough to 529 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: sit down with the president. No. I sat down with 530 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: him and he said he agreed, right, So but my 531 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: agenda has always been my agenda. Now, if he changes 532 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: his agenda, then we got to issue with him. But 533 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: if he doesn't, that meaning with Trump is just supposed 534 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: to be what it's supposed to be as just being 535 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: the leader. That's why. 536 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: That's why I don't like when politicians adopt the language 537 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: of activists. 538 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 539 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: If you're gonna use language like fascism, it does look 540 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: confusing to people when you say you can work with 541 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: a fascist, because that's never worked in the history of 542 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: man and vice versa. You called him a communist. That's 543 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: why you saw Trump's people sow up and arms like, Yo, 544 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: you told us this dude was a communist. But now 545 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: y'all just buddy buddy inside the Oval office. But that 546 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: is politics. But I think I'm just a person that 547 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: think words matter. 548 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: Man. I think words do matter. I think it matters more. 549 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 2: And that's why we have an inside outside game. Right. 550 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: It's just like what Michael said. You know, if you 551 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: don't respect doctor King's peace, then you're gonna get what 552 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: we got over here. It was we're the alternative, right, 553 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: Like when they show this to me, he talks about 554 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: it a lot. They show stokely Carmarker walking alongside Doctor 555 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: King and they both talking about what's going on, and 556 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: Doctor King said, you know, we're gonna rally and we're 557 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: trying to unify and stokely carmakers like burning everything. No, 558 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: and they walk in the same path. So the reality 559 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: is everybody's words may be different, but we still got 560 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: the same agenda. And as long as his agenda is 561 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: to stop fascism, I don't care if you stand there 562 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: and have a conversation with him, if you're saying yo, 563 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: because you know what I've studied, right, and I didn't 564 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: understand it and shout out to I forgot went with 565 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: the organization and we went to study the principles are 566 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: nonviolence doctor King's Kenya non violence, and I never was 567 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: on board with it, But when I really got down 568 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: to how strong and how mentally strong, it was what 569 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: the principles are and how you go about it, how 570 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: you you identify with the issue is you don't attack 571 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: the person with it. You attack the issue, and then 572 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: there's a level of reconciliation after I attack and we 573 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: go to war. And even when I win, it's not 574 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: me winning over you, it's me winning over the situation, 575 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: and then after I went over situation, they're supposed to 576 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: be a level of reconciliation because a lot of times 577 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: people don't even identify their wrongs, and sometimes after they lose, 578 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: then they may be able to have reconciliation. And when 579 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: you really sit there and think about it, it takes 580 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: real strong minded and leadership to have that type of foresight. 581 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: So when I'm thinking about this right now, of course, 582 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: Trump to us is the Antichrist. Were looking at him. 583 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: Everything he's doing is just wrong to us. But man 584 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: Mondami seems to have a level of understanding and vision 585 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: that most leaders don't. You know, He's able to sit 586 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: there and call you the truth and still smile and 587 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: still go about what he's doing and then make you 588 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: like it. I've never seen somebody get called a fascist 589 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: and said, well just call yeah, yeah, that's right, I'm fast. 590 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: This guy's great, you understand saying how who else has 591 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: that level of christ The only person I've seen do 592 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: that was when Natod Martin Luther King. He said we 593 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: need this to happen, and he said make me. 594 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: We also got to remember Trump as a con artist exactly, so, 595 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: so Trump might be playing to everybody's playing. 596 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. But the thing is at 597 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: the end is who gonna win. I think what's happened 598 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: is Mandammi has became the star, and Trump loves the star. 599 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: He collses up to anybody that's the star. That's what 600 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: he is. He's a groupie, so he you know what 601 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: I'm saying, He coaxes up to anybody that this is 602 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: the fact. 603 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: It's just the fact. 604 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: You know. But at this time, I think Madami has 605 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: a real agenda and he has the people behind him. 606 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: Like he's literally going outside in the streets and just 607 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: putting a mic outside and talking to random people, just 608 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what do you want inside New 609 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: York City? You know what I'm saying, Like, I've never 610 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: seen the man that that's that interested in really galvanizing 611 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: the people. You know, So you know, we'll see, Like 612 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: once again, I could be wrong, but you know, I'm 613 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: really usually a good judge of character. You know, sometimes 614 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: I get people to doubt the benefit of that when 615 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: they never really benefit. But I'm giving her a benefit 616 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: of that. Hopefully you know he will, but it lets again, 617 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: if he's not, we're gonna be out there protest. 618 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: How do you want young organizers watching this moment, watching you, 619 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: watching Tamika, watching the Erica Ford on this transition team, 620 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: how do you want them to understand the relationship between 621 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: protest and policy. 622 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: Shout out to Angelo two. He's actually he's on the 623 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: Prime Justice word. But I want young protesters to understand organizers, right, 624 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: because I don't want you to just be protesters. I 625 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: want you to be savvy. I want you to be intelligent. 626 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: I want you to be strategic. I want you to 627 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: look at this moment as progress, right because we all 628 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: got to do different things. There's an inside outside game. 629 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: And you know, for years we sit outside and we 630 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: was the protesters, and people say yeah, y'all can go 631 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: out there, and they made jokes you got your pick 632 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: a signe and it was cool, but we watched incremental 633 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: change happen. Right. We got we got incremental change, and 634 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: we protested enough people to it. They said, okay, what 635 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: do y'all want? Right? And then they sat down with 636 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: us and then we start saying, okay, we want this, 637 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: and they start and we started watching capitulate. When we 638 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: look at talk about the CMS, Tamika and Erica Ford 639 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: and at those they sat out there and protested the 640 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: mayor until they got millions of dollars put into that 641 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: CMS system to when they were nothing, you know, when 642 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: they was told that there was no data and they 643 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: would never get a dime. And now it's up to 644 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: over one hundred million that's given to CMS inside of 645 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: New York City because people did that work. So I 646 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: want you to be understanding. I want you to be relentless. 647 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: I want you to be fearless, but I want you 648 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: to understand that there's the process and that there's an 649 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: ultimate goal. And if you just protest and you don't 650 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: see things going anywhere, if you don't get yourself, if 651 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: you're not in positions to actually make change, if you 652 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: don't have the ears and the wherewithal to touch the 653 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: people who can actually give policy to actually do things 654 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: for the community, you're fighting for it and you just 655 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: fighting a fight for nothing. So it's cool. I told people, 656 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: I'm tired of having, you know, victories that you know, 657 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: just being the leader that die. We celebrate our leaders 658 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: dying at thirty and ain't got nothing, but they kept on. 659 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: I want to win, you know, I don't want moral 660 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: of it. I'm tired of moral victories. When do we 661 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: actually get the victories where we see some change for 662 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: our people. I'm tired of the story of we watching 663 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: our people run out in glory and they say, yeay, 664 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: y'all gonna be the first ones. We know, all y'all 665 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: gonna die, but it's gonna be brave. You brave because 666 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: you went out there. And I don't want that no more. 667 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: Like when we're gonna be strategic and we go through 668 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: the back door and we actually take over the castle 669 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: and we put our people in position, When we're gonna 670 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: start doing that, like, I think our strategy has to 671 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: change and it has to evolve what we're dealing with. 672 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: It's just like when we look at Trump and we 673 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: look at jasmine crackers, and we look at the people 674 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: that are meeting fire with fire. We can't keep having 675 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: the conversations about, oh, this is not how we're supposed 676 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: to No, this is how it is. You can't fight 677 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: or fight with one hand behind your back, where people 678 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: got four and five hands and they jumping you, and 679 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: you saying but I fought with honor and I did 680 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: it the right No, Actually, you fought and they killed you. 681 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Like I'm tired of just dying, Like, I really want 682 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: us to win the war. So I want black people 683 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: and our young activists to be strategic and figure out 684 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: how do we actually get the things that we're fighting for. 685 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: I agree with Jall, got one more question, Maybe think 686 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: about something this now, what's the biggest lie people believe 687 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: about how change actually happens. 688 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: And what's the hard truth they need to accept them out? 689 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: The biggest lie is that people act like if they 690 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: do nothing, things are gonna change. Right. They say, Yo, 691 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm not voting, you don't even need to be involved 692 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: in that system. I'm not gonna be there. I'm not. No, 693 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: when you take yourself out and you don't have a strategy, 694 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: like people been not voting for years, there's a million 695 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: I know a bunch of people that said, I ain't 696 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: never vote, But so what have you ever got for 697 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: not voting? What have you never got for not fighting? 698 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: And I think you know when people think that if 699 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: you don't go out there, and you're not out there, 700 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: if you protest and it doesn't know. I've literally watched 701 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: protests turn into policy. I've literally watched people turn into 702 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: protesters get into power. I watched literal front line activists 703 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: get into office. Jimiani william was an activist outside with us. 704 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that use of salon was 705 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: they were activists on the front line with us at times. 706 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: So I watched those people getting positions to what they 707 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: can actually do things. So telling people to not be 708 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: involved in this system. And if you take yourself out, 709 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: you more valuable then they gotta come to you know, 710 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: if you take yourself out, then they don't even they 711 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: don't even account you, right, because when they start doing votes, 712 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: they only account for the people that's voting. So one 713 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: of the other million or one hundred million that ain't voting, 714 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: they don't care, right, So how do you make yourself valuable? Right? 715 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: If you don't add value to something, then you don't 716 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 2: have any worth. So I think that that's the biggest 717 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: lies that we act like if we're not involved with 718 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: the system, that the system is gonna somehow change and 719 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: it's gonna benefit us, or we can or another thing 720 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: is that we can money ourselves out of our problem. 721 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: Money has never changed Black people's situation, not individually. We 722 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: think individual I know people I've had conversations, Oh we 723 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: overhere doing this and we over here, okay, but still 724 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: ninety percent of black people don't have nothing. And you 725 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: got that right, you and you and twenty people got 726 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: that right, and y'all invested in that. So how we're 727 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: is the strategy for ten and twenty and thirty percent 728 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: of black people to be in power, to be in 729 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: positions to where they can create generational wealth, to where 730 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: the majority of us are not struggling, right to where 731 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: we see power, to where we're more than one two 732 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: percent of the wealth in America. We've been two percent 733 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: of the wealth in America since we've been here. When 734 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: are we gonna grow? What is the strategy for that? Right? 735 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: So that's what I don't want us to individually think 736 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: our individualism and our individual success and our individual money 737 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: and worth is going to help black people. It does not. 738 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: It is how do we collectively come together and create 739 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: a strategy to where we're building something, and we're creating 740 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: something in structures and organizations and build in schools and 741 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: all these things that are really gonna change our people. 742 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: So if we're not doing that, and we just because 743 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: I can people, I don't have to do nothing this. 744 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: I'm good, you know what I'm saying, but I understand 745 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: that if I don't do this, and I don't utilize 746 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: my voice, and I don't utilize every platform that I have, 747 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: then generations of our people are gonna be suffering. 748 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's my son, man. Where can they find you? 749 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: My brother? You can find me on Instagram at mysong 750 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: n y general. You can find me on YouTube, the 751 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: same thing, Facebook, same. 752 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 4: Thing, Yo. 753 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: Keep holding them t on my podcast that we're gonna 754 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: get ll on real soon. So make sure you follow 755 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: us on T in my podcast. 756 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: On iHeart Yes, the Black Effect, iHeart Radio Podcast Network. 757 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: My man, my son is the breakfast club, Yes, sir, 758 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: hold up every. 759 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: Day a wag up the breakfast clubs. Y'all done,