WEBVTT - Rapist Anonymous w/ Thomas Sadoski 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories Une Dune. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.920 Hello, Hello, Hello, that's messed up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.879 My name is Lisa Traeger and my name, as always 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:36.879 is Kara Klank Lisa. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.120 What's up? 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.519 Well, we have to tell them it's an SVU podcast. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.280 We talk about an episode, the crime a guest. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.400 You guys don't know that by now it's an episode. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.960 Come on, maybe someone's just a big fan of only 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:50.720 this episode. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.120 Yeah, in case you are starting here on this episode 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.120 in the thirties, we are an SVU podcast. We dissect 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.120 an episode from the show, then we talk about the 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.680 true crime it was based on, and we interview a 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.440 guest associated with the episode in the episode. Usually and 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.520 we got a hunk this time. Yeah, baby, huge news 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.679 for us. We did finally go see Zola after Ye, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.679 that's what I was going to get into. I'm so 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.120 excited to talk about Zola that I forgot to introduce 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.039 what our podcast is. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.120 Yeah, Sola was incredible filmmaking and anyone cool that I 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.000 run into has already seen it. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.119 We saw it. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.920 Opening night right well with La It's like weird where 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.319 things are before them, But it was fun, you know, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.120 Mom's day out. And the best news is there is 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:44.440 an Sview cameo in Sola, Officer cal Doon aka Ariel Statuel, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.600 and he had a nice little sex scene, a little part, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.880 and it was thrilling to see him. I wish we 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.760 got to see him more, but you know, yeah, we 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:58.200 were busy seeing amazing outfits and sad scenes and just 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.160 amazing filmmaking. I would say, yeah, I was like, I 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.560 truly can't stop thinking about it. I think about it 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.920 all the time, Like it was so good, I'm going again. Yeah, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.360 I was seeing I was like, I was like, I 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.560 never go see movies twice, but I would easily go 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:11.400 see that movie again. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.440 Never you've never seen a movie twice, not never, but 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.120 like I can name it. In the theater. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.640 Yeah, in the theater, I saw Sense and Sensibility twice. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.200 Never seen that one so sad, and I honestly can't 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.160 think of another one. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.160 I can't think of another time I've paid to go 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.200 see a movie like two times in the theater. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.960 Yeah, I was acting shocked. But I don't know if 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:36.160 I've done that, you know, but I've gone. I used 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.639 to rent the same movie constantly from Blockbuster. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.520 Oh you know what other movie I've seen twice? That 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.320 movie Playing by Heart. I was telling you about that. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.720 You were like, what the hell is this movie? Hopefully 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.800 this is another Chipmunk effect. And everybody writes me and 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.520 tells me how much they love this fucking movie. But 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.440 it's one of those ensemble movies where everybody has their 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.160 own storyline and then you kind of find out how 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.720 everybody's together. And it's early Angelina Jolee like it might 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.720 be the first thing I ever saw Angelina Jolee in, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.640 and like Ryan Philippe and all these people. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.600 So anyway, love that movie. And I saw twice in 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:02.919 the theater. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.640 I when you said the Playing of the Heart or whatever, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.040 I thought, Crimes of the Heart. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.919 Do you know about that one? No, what's that? 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.639 It's a movie that I think was successful, but it 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.320 is a play. And in high school theater I did 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.400 a scene from it. I could tell my theater teacher 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.080 was impressed. Like I think, like Shirley McLean's in it 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:22.600 or something. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.280 Oh wow, Okay, when I look at the poster of 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.920 this movie. It's it's Diane Keaton, Jessica Lang and Sissy Spacek. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.840 I mean icons only this is like, I gotta watch this. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.480 And you know I have worked with Jessica Lang before, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.040 no big deals me. I excuse me. I know in 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.240 Horace and Pete, I was at the bar and I 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:43.240 have lines. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.160 With Jessica Lang like she tells me to shut the 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.080 fuck up or something, or like you dumb bitch, like 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.000 she says something. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.400 Mean to me. No, what was she like in real life? 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.880 She was really in character and like focused, and so 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.400 I wasn't like paling around with her on set, sure, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.040 but very kind and perfect like amazing, not a rude 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.360 thing to say about her, but we didn't like vibe. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.080 But I did see her napping on a little couch 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.240 in some hallway and it was a really amazing experience, Like, oh, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.120 the best in the world are working for sag minimum 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.880 and sleeping on a couch to make something good. So 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.440 if anyone's a dick on set, it makes no sense 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.360 to me because I'm I'm watching Jessica Lang nap on 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.120 a random loose couch. So and that's the same, like 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.839 everyone amazing that I've worked with is always like the best. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.800 It's always like the people not that good. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.840 I don't know, like Steve BUSHEMI was on that set 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.359 Alan Alda, Edie Falco. It was an incredible experience. The 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.000 great snow to act. Yeah, I wish Louie wasn't a 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.919 dumb bitch so I could brag about it more. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.920 But it was an amazing career moment in my life. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.760 I think we all wish Louis wasn't a dumb bitch. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.000 I mean, I nailed it, and not to I do 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.240 have another brag. Okay, I did a comedy show last 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.520 night at Diynosta. Yes, tell Us, tell Us. I was 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:01.480 going to ask you how it went. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.320 Yeah, I was. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.320 I mean, I am still high off of it, honestly, 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.680 like I can't. I was the last person to leave, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.240 and then I stood with audience members in the parking 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.320 garage refusing to leave, like I just wanted to save 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.400 her every moment. But Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Burone 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.039 had this show, and Maggie Rogers was on one of 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.000 the shows, and she sounded like when she started to 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.520 she was so cool backstage and so nice and fun. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.200 But then I forgot, and then the moment she started 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.440 to sing, I couldn't believe I was in her presence 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:33.480 like she sounded. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.320 She has such a beautiful voice. Really, and we were 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:37.719 all upset. So what was funny? 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.640 Meg Stalter was on the show and I DMed her 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.719 earlier in the day going can't wait to see you 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.279 and Maggie Rogers, and she thought I was kidding, and 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.400 she goes, that's a funny joke. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:46.360 Why would she say that? 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.360 And then she said when she walked into the green room, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.720 she fully gasped and realized I was not kidding. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.120 She didn't know Maggie was on the show. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.839 No, no one really knew, and she thought I was 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.320 just joshing with her, like pulling a prank. She was 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.400 like Lisa Sile assumed she saw the promo. There wasn't 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.080 a promo, nothing was announced. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.560 Oh really Yeah. And then Langston Kerman couldn't believe it. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.000 I told him he was like I listened to her 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.760 album all the time, Like we were all we all 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.400 couldn't believe it, Like she sounded me, I mean it 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.400 was I can't wait for her new album. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.000 Amazing, Oh my god. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:23.600 Well, Lisa stars star studded yeah, it was star studded. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.599 And then there were people on that show. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.359 We were at the same July fourth party and I 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.080 didn't even know because I got so anxious that I 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:29.560 had to leave. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.160 I think everybody can relate to that. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.359 Yeah, I'm like, we're both really social, chatty people. I 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.400 didn't expect to get tired out socializing. And I'm sure 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.040 are some substances I took added to that, but I 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:45.600 had to leave. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.839 Sure, And also just like we're a little out of practice. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.240 I mean we are easing into like the full social calendar. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:52.599 You know. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.760 Yeah, I would give yourself a break. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.120 I gave myself. I just I expected to be like 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.839 I'm gonna rage all night, you know, fun on her lawn. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.400 And then at eleven, I was like, can I get 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.799 a ride home? Please? I can't. I can't, I can't. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.080 I can't be here anymore. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.120 I cannot, like ask how someone knows the hosts of 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.360 the party. Again, I like, I don't have it in me. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.920 I had a cute Fourth of July where Rosie went 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.520 to a party with all older boys and just totally 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.800 threw herself into their posse, and it was gave me 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:23.760 hope for her future. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.840 I miss her every time I hear about her. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:27.040 Ire. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.800 Well, we're going to get you two together. But I 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.720 did see little Oscar yesterday. Oh you did. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.120 He's getting he's looking like a real Yeah, he's looking 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.680 like he's getting cuter and a little easier by the day. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.600 So hopefully a month from now he's going to be 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:41.600 gorgeous and easy. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:43.320 We do have to. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.400 Wrap up, but I wanted to talk about how Mrushka 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.440 Hargita keeps fucking breaking her body. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.200 What's going on? Like, no idea. We just brained another 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:52.920 ankle and was like, this is my summer. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:53.160 Look. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.440 I'm like, didn't you just recover from like a knee thing. Yeah, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.680 I don't know, drink Alcia. I have no idea. I 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.880 don't know what we need to get Mushka on that 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.320 bonivo tip. I don't know what's going on, Lisa. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:05.800 Yeah, what did I burp out? 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:06.280 No? 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.560 I absolutely need to call you out that. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.280 You were like, I don't know if I've ever seen 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.440 a movie twice in the theaters, and like ten episodes ago, 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.240 you were like, how have you never seen a movie 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.120 twice in the theaters, Kara, I've done it with. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.200 This movie, this movie, this movie and you like listed 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.880 them really no, no. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.920 Like I've watched Like if I like a movie, I'll 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.040 watch it dozens of times and it's always on. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.520 I do that Kara sense and Sensibility fact. Because the 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.640 pod No recollection, that's all. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:42.280 Well yeah, yeah, year one, we're already repeating stories. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.640 I don't know what to do. I did want to add. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.120 I went to wildly, a six am soul cycle. I'm 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.840 not a morning person, but it was a Rihanna ride 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.840 and I had to do it and it was perfect. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.559 And if anyone out there ever sees on any schedule 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.080 Rihanna music, workout go, it's the perfect music. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:02.800 Yeah. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:08.480 It's like powerful, inspirational, fast memories like set, it's just 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:09.559 they do We. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.240 Found love of course. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.600 It's like my favorite. That's like my favorite. I love 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.760 that song. I mean that's like post pandemic. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.120 Like dream is like me being in a pack dance 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.839 floor and that song comes on and yeah, everyone jumps 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.720 up and down and Henson like that's what I want. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.480 I also want to I we got to do it 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.160 Megan's wedding. But my dream was you know that song 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.760 where it was like shut up and dance with me. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.880 Oh my god, my at my wedding. That was the 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:32.560 hugest song. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.360 Well, I always said, I go, I want to dance 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.000 to this at a wedding. I'm like, this is the 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.320 perfect dance wedding song. And then it played at our 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.760 friend's wedding and I was like, my dreams are coming true. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.680 I was in the middle of a conversation with someone 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.319 at that wedding and that song came on and I went, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.079 I'm sorry, I can't and I just like ran away 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.640 because I had to go to the dance floor. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.960 Now, BA Bride is cool. Probably you could be like peace. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.120 I didn't even want to. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.520 Invite you, you dumb bitch, and I still have to say, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:55.559 you look incredible. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.720 Let's get started. Sorry, let's go soul cycle. We can 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:01.520 never keep it short. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:06.920 I don't know why you try, Hannah. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:12.199 All right, So today we're doing Rapists Anonymous and it's 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.880 season fifteen. It is episode nine. Hulu says, episode eight. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.959 Shut your mouths. We don't care. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:18.560 We don't know. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.240 It's like Hulu has a vendetta against us in this podcast. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.200 But the episode starts out so exciting. I love seeing 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.440 the detectives on their off hours and they're at a 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:33.840 Crew dinner at Marishka's and Cassidy is there, short curly hair, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.199 Benson Amorro, Melinda Warner iced tea, and Kragan's with a 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.199 date named Eileen. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.559 So pretty exciting. Is this even a holiday? I think 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.880 they're just having dinner, which is they're just it's they're 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:49.440 doing a rare glimpse into And coincidentally, they just did 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.920 like a wrap photo lo now of Marishka having all 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.920 the cast like over to her house and like the big, big, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.880 high up people and it was like a long, twenty 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.440 person dinner and it looked nice. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.360 She's always with Allie Wentworth and Ali went Worth, his 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.200 best friends with like the Seinfeld and anyone? 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.160 Who is she? Why is she friends with everyone I 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:07.960 want to be friends with? 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.800 She was an actress. I don't think she acts much anymore. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.080 But she's married to George Stefanopolis. I think, yeah, the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.360 answer is nothing, Kara. Yeah, it's just another loose person 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.360 who no one cares about, you know, like, how are 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.160 they friends with all of high society? 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.120 I just don't get. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.360 Itanopolis is a pretty big personality. But and then Melinda's 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.240 being wild and she's just like she's a lesbian he's 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.760 Frans and a murder weapon was found in his anal canal, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.200 and then I teased talking about necrophilia, and Benson's like, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.080 let's relax, guys, Let's just have a nice dinner and 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.880 not talk about work. And then it is silence, and 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.760 that's kind of like me and care if someone says, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.800 let's not talk shit about someone, we have nothing to say. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.640 We just like have a positive time where we like 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:52.360 don't talk shit. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.720 We're just like super nice. We're like absolutely and then nothing. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.480 Yeah, I'm sure there's no one that's listening to this, like, wait, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.680 where's Rollins? But they tell us anyways, So we see 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.480 Rollins and they jump to an AA style type meeting 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.400 in a dark basement. There's desserts and a woman named 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.800 Lena is talking. She's blonde with short hair, and then 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.920 there's a man next to Rollins with a douche lord 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.480 hat and Lena's talking how she's been sober for almost 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:25.160 a year and the douche lord hat is Nate, Lena's 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.280 first sponsor. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.200 In La and Rollins and Nate smile at each other. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.400 So you know, if you get vibes, you see what's up. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.920 So back to dinner, Cassidy lets us know that Olivia 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.120 is now going to be sergeant and that she got 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.320 forty eighth out of eight thousand on her test, which 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.400 is impressive. And then Benson's like, yay, Cassidy is going 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.720 to be a detective again. But at IAB and everyone's like, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:57.120 oh Grace, yeah, but tomorrow's a gentleman. He's like, that's great, congrats, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.400 this is awesome. We cut back to the AA crew 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.640 and Nate owns a bar, so that's weird. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:05.560 Natea's douche lord guy. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.560 Yes, yes, yeah, Nate is a sponsor, owns the bar, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.160 and he's with two hot blondes, Lena and Rollins, and 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.000 they order wings for the table, and then we see 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.400 a bald man with a beard like, you know, someone 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.200 recently did a joke where they called this hairstyle a 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.240 flesh covered Yamaica, which I thought was funny. I wish 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.240 I remembered the comedian's name, but it was not an 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.680 original thought. So they're all sitting there talking and Lena 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.560 is touching the bald man's upper thigh very sexually. We 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.800 later learned his name's Gene. I'll start calling him Gene 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.520 instead of that bald man over there, So she's like 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:49.080 rubbing his upper thigh pretty sexually. And now Rollins and 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.880 Nate are getting really sexy and close, and he's like, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.240 thanks for coming to aa. I know that's not your thing, 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.959 and she's like I can still learn, and Rollins is like, 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.760 we decided last time this was a bad idea and 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.120 he's like I know, and what And so now they're 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.760 fucking well, they're about to fuck. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.640 They're in four play action again. Another scene you don't 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.920 see very often on an SVU. You don't really see 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.280 the detectives. You sometimes see them kiss and then wake 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.840 up in a man's shirt, but you don't like see. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.640 A lot of the like rolling like thunder under the 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.600 covers action. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.280 You know, yeah, I was very into it and me 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.280 he's a hot guy. For those who don't know, he's 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.800 in real life married to Amanda Seafried Cifrid. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.120 Figure it out. But you know what I'm talking about. Yes, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.320 he's a Broadway baby too. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.720 But then so someone's buzzing at the door, interrupting the sex, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.440 and he's like, don't get the door. But it's like, okay, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.880 I understand not answering a phone call, but a door 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.880 in the middle of the night. You have to answer, right, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.040 Can I ignore that? 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 But you know he wants to fuck So Rollins puts 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.080 on a sweater, but she's already wearing a long sleeve 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.320 flannel shirt, so she's barely undressed. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:56.600 I don't know why she had to put on a 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.120 sweater to answer the door. But it's Lena. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.760 She's crying and she's saying that Jean took her home, 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.360 had a few drinks and then raped her. So she 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.680 falls into Rollin's arms to cry, and that's the credits. Baby, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.440 so a real entertangled mess. We got back from the 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:13.920 credits and. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.480 Lena tells Rollins that he was buzzing at her door 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.200 and he had been drinking. She could smell she could 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.280 smell the booze on his breath, and they were kissing, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.360 but it heated it up super fast. He made her 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.280 crawl on all fours to the bed, which reminds me 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.680 of the episode of Girls with Sherry Appleby, who is 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.640 also an sv alum. And we also learn he has 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.320 a fiance and she's a prude and they call her 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:40.720 missionary Melissa, so and so he's cheating on her. He's 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.320 a super kinky person. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.640 And a rapist, and so yeah, he threw her on 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.720 the bed and grabbed her hair and was being super 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:48.560 rough and hurting her. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.600 And Ronin's like, did you say no and stop? And 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.640 she says yes, but he kept going. And then she's like, wait, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.400 but is that rape? I don't know because I let 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.840 him back in, and Ronin's like, wait what. And so 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.080 we find out that he walked her home. Earlier, they 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600 had a quickie in the doorway that was consensual, but 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.960 the second time when he came back, he forced her, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.440 and Rollins is like, yeah. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:08.320 That is rape. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.640 And then a doctor at the hospital tells Rollins that 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.800 she's holding up and that they did a rape exam 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.520 and she's has a sedative right now. And then the 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.160 doctor says you can take your sister home, and Rollins 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.120 is like, wait, sister, And the doctor was like, oh, sorry, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.280 maybe I misheard something. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:25.160 I'm not really sure. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.320 So that's a little suspicious that the sister thing came out, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.240 because obviously we know she has a shady sister. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.480 So was it a mistake? Is this on purpose? What's happening? SVU? 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.440 Let's go baby. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.240 So then we're back at the precinct and Rollins breaks 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.880 anonymity from her whole group and tells the whole squad 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.560 how she knows Lena from AA and Benson is drinking 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.600 a green juice, which I love, and she has turquoise earrings, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.080 which I love even more. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.720 It's very Santa Fe Benson. Yeah, I just I've never 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.440 seen her in a green juice. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.840 It's always coffee, coffee, coffee, maybe a diet coke once 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.440 in a while, but I've never. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.640 Seen a green juice. She's trying to survive, to make captain, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.000 you know. And then the funniest thing is I love 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.959 when they all like I love the specicifity of jobs sometimes, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.320 like I'm reminded of the Flavor Institute. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:16.360 And here. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.320 Gane is an in house lawyer at a baby's supply. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.359 Chain, Like, is that someone's cousin's job? Like how do 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.080 they come up with this stuff? I mean, these writers 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.080 are incredible. So they go to his job and he's like, listen, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:36.040 I'm stressed, what do you want from me? But he 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.959 shows text messages and Lena is all into it, Like 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.239 when he says I want you to crawl and I'm 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.240 gonna fuck you, She's like, oh, that's humiliating. I fucking 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.879 love it, so uh oh, these texts like that makes 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.240 this case really hard. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.639 Rollins asks like, hey. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.000 Why did you say you were my sister at the hospital, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.080 And she's like, I said you were like a sister 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.000 to me at and want to break AA anonymity like 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.840 you did at the precincts earlier. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.080 So yeah, that's. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.840 Really she's quick, you know, like I didn't want to 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.800 say we know each other from the meetings. Barbara's watching 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.920 this through, like watching them chat at you know, through 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.040 the window, and he's like, this is a rough case. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:17.320 You know. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.879 Jean's a Jewish lawyer, he's a good boy. She's an 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.320 addict and a sales clerk. So classic Barbara bullshit that 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.120 you all fully forget because you want to have sex 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:26.880 with him so bad. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.600 But he is a problem. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.000 So Amorro goes to see Gene to put some pressure 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.280 on him and see if they can talk to his fiance, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.200 and Jean's like, listen, leave my fiance alone. She's working 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.359 at a refugee camp in Haiti. You don't have to 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.160 bother her. So I love them. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.639 Missionary Melissa is a real missionary too, you know, and 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.520 all and always oh my God, missionary Melissa. That's wait, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.960 I did not even put that together. That's too good. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.280 I don't know either, so right now, so it's I'm 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:54.760 on the fly. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.240 Do you think if you're a missionary you have to 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.760 be more sexually adventurous so that people don't just label 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.679 you with these kind of nicknames. No, if you're a missionary, like, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.159 I'm a dictionary but I love it doing it reverse 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.960 cowgirl just FYI, Like you have to be super clear 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:09.520 on your dating profiles. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.399 This is like so tough. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.760 For me because missionaries are bad people, Like they pretend 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.720 they're good people, but they're bad. Like if you go 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.360 to do volunteer work and actually work, but if you're 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.680 there to convert people and make people Christians, like you're 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:24.960 a bad person. Yeah. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.960 Yeah, that's like Book of Mormon shit too. Yeah, exactly. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.080 Because I went to an evangelical Christian college if anyone 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:36.040 has forgotten, and I was in a conflict resolution class 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.440 and we put together like some sort of conference for peace. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.040 I don't know, but we had people from. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.879 The community talk and there was someone that was like, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.280 they helped people get off the street, but their number 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.800 one goal was converting them to Christianity like that was. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:51.880 Success to them. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.399 Like they like if they got someone off the street 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.119 and functioning in a home and a job and like 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.280 off of drugs, like that wouldn't be successful to them, 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.679 Like converting them is their number one goal, right, And 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.680 so to me, that's when it clicked in my brain. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.399 I'm like, oh, you guys are bad people. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:08.159 You know. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.960 They're the type of people that are anal sexing for Jesus. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.760 Like, Okay, this is very interesting and comes into play 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:15.480 in the real crime. 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.800 Keep going, thank you, keep. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.920 Going, Thanks for I love where this is where you're 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:22.600 taking it well. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.879 I also wanted to say I went into Christian college 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.359 very open minded, and I left being like, you're the worst. 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.520 Stop bragging about your hour a jew for Jesus when 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:34.320 you first got there. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.480 Though, No, I was ready to just be like okay, whatever, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.560 like this is like not her name or Leola like 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.520 I don't care about in school and gets to believe 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:42.000 what they want. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.800 And then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:45.520 hate you guys. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.640 Why do I have to write three papers about gay marriage? 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.439 This is such a non issue for me, Like people 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.080 were truly like in Christian ethics, we talked about how 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.439 sad it was then more like Christians couldn't save more 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.560 Jews in the Holocaust, and it's like, you guys aren't 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:00.000 the victim. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.240 Like it was really not center. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.960 It was a fucked up place to be, but I'm 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.399 really grateful for that experience. And I did like a 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.280 couple of people, and I met my best friend there, 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.159 but she also knew it was bullshit. Okay, YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.159 And I'm a really famous alumni. They don't give me 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.240 any respect. Why am I not in the pamphlets? 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.200 Huh? I wonder? 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.959 Okay, Okay, So they have to figure out if this 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.200 is part of a pattern or like what's actually going 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.879 on or is this like so they find out that 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.879 the Jean and Lena have fucked in a Brooks Brother's 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.360 dressing room, which is funny that, like they're talking down 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.679 about her being a sales clerk, but Brooks Brothers is 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.640 pretty fancy, you know, like you do. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.600 Okay, Wow, I didn't realize it was a Brooks brother 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.200 I missed that detail. That's an extensive store. I've never 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.600 shot theresive store. I used to try to like go 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.800 there to find like Father's Day presence. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.680 I guess, yeah, I got my dad nuts this year, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:00.679 nice sauce. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.520 Did you do nuts dot Com? 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:05.840 No? 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.080 Unfortunately, I had to do Amazon because I've forgotten till Saturday. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.879 And even though they're an evil corporation, they will get 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:17.680 your dad nuts in twenty four hours. And then Jane 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.239 says that he told Melissa everything on Skype, so this 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.560 is pre zoom and that she forgave him and she 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.120 and but it's like, girl, you could do better. Why 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.400 are you like missionary Melissa? But maybe she just loves 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.359 him and knows he's an attic. I don't know, but 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.159 it's like he is fully cheating on you constantly do 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.119 not forgive him. So we cut to Lena and Rollins 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.760 at Nate's bar again, and Lena's eating spaghetti and meatballs 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.280 that look amazing, and Rollins is just explaining to Lena 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.280 why this is a tough case, like I believe that 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.720 you were raped, but the texts like this really does 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.439 make it a hard case, right, And she's like, listen, 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:50.200 I smoke. 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:50.600 And I have sex. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.560 I don't drink, I don't gamble, I don't do drugs, 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.600 like those are my things, Like I don't know what 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.160 you want from me, I can't have nothing, and she says, 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.800 just stay away from him and if he that, you 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:05.080 contact me immediately. Rollins and Nate like move over to 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.120 flirt by the bar and Lena is alone and they're 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.080 talking about her while looking at her like She's probably like, okay, 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.639 I could tell you guys are talking about me. 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.199 The bar's basically empty. 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.479 Yeah, he has three shirts on, a sweater, a flannel 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.400 and a Renaissance white shirt underneath and a Gorean's Brother hat. 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.560 It's just so many layers. Yeah, and layers really threw you, Lisa. 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.639 I was like, we watched this episode together and you 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.960 were just like, why so many layers? 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:31.800 I don't. 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.200 Yeah, it's just tough for me because I would feel 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.159 claustrophobic in those so many layers, and then cuts to 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.200 them shirtless in beds, so they did so obviously. 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.439 Rowins had a problem with the layers too. She's like, 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.720 take it all off. He just got in bed and 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.240 that was took. That was five minutes of four play. 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.560 So the phone buzzes and wakes Rollin's up. Crime scene. 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.040 Rollins meets iced Tea, and Jean took a header off 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:02.320 the roof in quotes off of Lina's building. So Jean 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.320 is dead at the bottom of Lena's building and he 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.840 fell off the roof. He is dead Ice and Rollins agreed, 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.560 this is no good, not good. Lena is like, wait, 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.359 this makes no sense. He fell off my roof. I 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.720 don't get it. And Lena's like, I wanted to drink 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.840 so bad, so instead I made a twelve step call 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.600 and he was furious and accusing me of like ruining 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.760 his life, and Lena's saying that she tried calming him down, 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.000 and Jean said he wanted to make amends, and Rollins 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.040 is like, did he come by here? And she says no, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.080 it's this bitch is a liar. I'm sorry, yeah, and 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:36.960 then she goes, I don't get why you won't believe me. 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.560 It's like because you keep lying and he throws your 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.960 room and you called him, like why are you surprised 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.680 they don't believe you? I okay, So Iced teas outside, 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.000 and I guess Nate came up in the conversation, like 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.240 when they were talking to Lena. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.480 So Iced Tea is like, what's up with Nate? Who 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.320 is this? And Rollins is like, you're not my daddy, 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:57.120 leave me alone. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.280 I'm a big girl, iced tea and doesn't want to 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:00.880 talk to him. 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.080 So cool. Well, he points out. 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.919 That, like, you're you're not supposed to Well, first of all, 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.119 you're definitely not supposed to date your sponsor. And I 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.440 think you're not even supposed to have a sponsor of 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.639 the sex that you're attracted to. 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.600 Maybe, but I think it's just for her because she's slutty. 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:15.880 Yeah. 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:22.600 Yeah, he's like specific Rolins rules. Yeah, but it is cute. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.439 Icy is like trying to look out for her. I 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:25.399 think it's kind of cute. 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:25.520 No. 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.600 I love their relationship. I love an iced tea, Rollins 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:34.840 yeah vibe. So they are meeting up at the medical 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.960 Examiner's office and Melinda says that he died immediately from impact, 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.840 and she says there's small amounts of liquor and drugs, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.640 but he wasn't drunk and he wasn't alone, And they're. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:45.159 Like, how do you know? 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:51.560 So his pants are unzipped, there's saliva on his penis 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:55.520 and fresh ejaculate in the urethra. She says, most men 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.840 pee after sex and that clears out all the leftover jiz. 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.560 But so that he recently came and there was leftovers, 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.040 but he didn't get time to pee. And then Melinda 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.239 has an iconic line where she says he came and 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:09.160 then he went. 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:13.040 Which I posted in our Stories and I will I 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.080 will say, I will find this story and I will 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.240 put it in our mention at all Highlight. But I 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.080 posted that they just made that same joke again in 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.440 the current season where they go, they go, he went, 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.080 but he never came, Like they made the same exact 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.679 Melinda joke about coming and then dying. 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:32.720 So after that. 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.840 Iconic moment that I'm glad they did a fucking callback to. 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:42.560 They're an interrogation with Lena Benson and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow's 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:44.920 knee is up on the chair and he's just looking 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.960 sexy as hell. So Lena now says she let him in. 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:54.119 I mean, it's like she is a mess. So Lena 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.400 says she let him in to talk on the doorway, 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.359 and then they're like, well, how did. 0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:58.960 You get on the roof? 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:00.720 And she's like, I didn't want to in the apartment 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.119 and we've had sex on the roof before and he 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:05.159 likes it on the ledge. 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.720 She's like very into. 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.520 That, and she thought if she went along with it, 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.399 he would leave her alone. She went to suck his 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.240 dick and take care of it, but then he got 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.560 violent and pulled her hair and grabbed her, and she 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.520 got scared and pushed him off the roof after she screamed, like, 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.359 don't hurt me. I mean, I don't believe it sucks, 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:23.720 but I don't believe it word she's saying. 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.199 So Amar's like, why did you lie? And She's like, 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.640 why would I lie? No one believed me because I'm 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.119 a liar. I mean, I don't I honestly, It's like, Lena, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.359 leave me alone. And then Barba does have a great 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.399 line where he goes her not telling us that she 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.680 filated him with Frizzle Rocks in her mouth, like tattoo 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:41.560 that on my forehead. 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:42.159 I love that. 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.119 Yeah, he says that, but like, had that come up 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.080 earlier or that's like a later detail that they find out. 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.639 No, no one has mentioned it, No one mentions it again. 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.840 But like Melinda never said I found jaculate in the 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.960 urethra as well as crystallized candy fragments from Frizzle Rock, 0:27:58.119 --> 0:27:59.520 Like we never heard that, right. 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.480 No, But I love that and I love pop rocks, 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.600 which I'm assuming is for yeah. 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:10.840 So that's that's also like an urban legende type of 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.760 thing I've heard of, of, like yeah, get like give 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.200 a guy a BJ with pop rocks. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:16.480 In your mouth. 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.920 But if you've done that, let us know a how 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.199 you didn't choke and be if it went off, if 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.160 it went well, let us know dm us. 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.280 Rollins of course, is trying to defend her. So they're 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.919 not going to find Melissa the fiance and see what 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.880 her story is and if anything matches, and they can get. 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:33.640 More clues from her. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.399 But first Nate and Rollins and the dog, you know, 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:38.840 Franny or Frankie or whatever. 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.719 I'm sure someone will like me it's Franny. I think 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:41.240 it's Franny. 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.840 Yeah, And they're walking with a really pretty view of 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.800 New York and talking over the case, which also seems insane, 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.800 like what are why are you? There's not a detective 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.800 that's made more worse than decisions than fucking Rollins. And 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.280 so then Rollind's like, are you sponsoring Lena? Like youre 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.719 sponsoring me? And he's like, hey, don't be mad, and 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.800 like reprimands her. But it's like, okay, you're fucking everybody, 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.840 amarro and I sear gossiping at the precinct about rollins, 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.880 and Melissa shows up in a sweater, asking if they're 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.640 investigating Jean's murder, and. 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.320 They're like, who told you he was murdered? And she says, 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.440 Jeane did. And I feel like this is like a 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.440 twenties movie. I was just like, I love it. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.640 And so basically he left her a voicemail and they 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.000 listened to the message and he Jeane says, Melissa, it's me. 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.680 I'm afraid what Lena might do. I'm going to try 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.520 to talk some sense into her. If anything happens to me, 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:34.320 called the police. 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.080 I love you. And that was at ten pm. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.240 She threatened him and Melissa and stalked him, and when 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.400 he tried to end it, she accused him of rape, 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.720 and when that didn't work, she fucking killed him. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.880 And uh so the super shows up too. 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:49.920 I mean, it's just a fucking rat race at the 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.160 precinct today. Everyone's coming in to red on Lina, so 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:59.120 everyone hates her. So the building super gives the scoop 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.240 that Lena asked him how to disable the roof door 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.400 alarm like a few nights ago because she wanted to 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.400 go smoke up there, but he knew it wasn't for 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.560 smoking because he's caught Jean and her fucking up there 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.200 before multiple times, and after Jean's death, when he went 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:21.600 up there, the batteries were out of the alarm, so. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.680 That's a clue. 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.320 Now, Benson and Tomorrow go to arrest Lena, and Lena's like, 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.480 what why are you doing this? And Amanda's there what 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:32.120 the fuck? 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.200 So Amanda's inner apartment and Amanda is like, what the fuck? 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.880 And Benson is like disappointed, and Amanda like scoffs at her, 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.320 like what the fuck are you doing? 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.120 Rollins? So I just don't get how she's a detective. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.040 So Barbara and Rolins are talking and Lena's like, listen, 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.200 Rowins wanted to call as a friend, like, she didn't 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.480 make any admissions to me, And Rollins is like, I 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.600 didn't even know her that well. And Barbara's like, what 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.480 the fuck do you mean you didn't know her that well? 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.520 She thought you were close enough to disclose a rape 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.840 to you, and Rollin says it's because she knew I 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.640 was an SVU detective and Barbara goes, you told her that, 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.000 and Rollins is confused a little bit and goes, I 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:10.880 mean maybe I brought it up in a meeting, So 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.800 this is a foreshadow. If you guys know that word, 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.680 or if you went to English class, if you did 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.360 sixth grade English class, you know that this is a foreshadow. 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.000 So Rollins asks if meetings are confidential, and he says 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.840 ethically yes, but legally no. So if there's something, you 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.920 better speak up, bitch, and Barbara says he's not going 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.240 to ask Rollins to testify, which is super cute. So 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.400 now we're in Core and Benson's on the stand and 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:41.640 Barbara Barbara is asking about how Lena is a liar, 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.200 and Nia Vargalos is in this episode as a defense attorney, 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:47.400 so very star. 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:51.000 Studied episode, and she's a hero. I love her so much. 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.360 And Lena has glasses on, high collars, dress shirt like 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:59.240 full librarian chic baby, and Nia is going after Benson hard, 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.760 and this is what one of my favorite judges, Elena 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.160 Barth played by Jenna Stern in nineteen episodes of the show, 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.560 and she's also been on the Mothership and Criminal Intent 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.360 a bunch, so dick Wolf obviously very much loves her. 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:12.840 So cord is happening. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.120 But now we're back at the precinct, and Olivia does 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.640 throw some shade to Rollins, like damn, you got your 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.920 friend a real good lawyer. 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:22.880 That's that okay. Wow. 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.480 Rollins is like, hey, guys, I see this clearly I 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:27.400 and I see it. 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:28.960 Why don't you guys trust me? 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.000 And It's like, oh, because you've constantly lied before and 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:33.760 put all of us in risk constantly. 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:34.280 Okay. 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.880 So Benson and Rollins are like at the precinct, going 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.640 into it, and Benson's like, you need to like shut 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:40.040 up and. 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.240 Just focus on your life, girl. 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.360 So then we cut back to the meeting and Nate 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.680 is talking at a meeting and he's been sober for 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.160 ten years, YadA, YadA, yadda, and what do we have here? 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.360 Fucking Tomorrow. 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.960 Amorrow is undercover in a Ranger sweatshirt, looking sexy as 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.800 hell again with a classic New York coffee cup, and 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.280 he sees Nate as like macking on girls, Andmorrow tries 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.560 to bond with him and is like, hey, what's up, 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.160 Like I need some help, and Nate blows him off 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.680 fully and goes off with like one of the girls 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.800 that he's flirting with, and so Amarro knows what's. 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.320 Up, but and Tomorrow, and like this is more foreshadowing. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:19.880 I think of how Amorrow has the hots for Rollins, right, Like, 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.960 obviously he's doing this to get information about the case, 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.600 but I think he's also doing this to Like there's 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.800 two reasons he's trying to help Rollin see that the 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.959 guy she's hooking up with is like a lothario. 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.360 So they're in bed. 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.840 So Rollin's and Nate are back in bed and Ron's like, hey, 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.400 do you remember how it came up that I worked 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:38.000 in SVU? 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.240 And he was like, I don't know. Maybe I could 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.440 have mentioned it, Like he doesn't, I don't, okay, so 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.400 implying that he probably is the one that told Lena, right. 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:47.880 Like that's like the implication. 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:52.240 Yeah, and so, and through their combo we find out 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.320 the defense is calling a man to take the stand, 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.000 Lena is going to take the stand to and then 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.520 while they're talking about this court case, he's kissing her 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.480 on her and lying to her face, and we hate him. 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.640 We also hate Melissa, who's now taking this stand because 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.600 you know she's boring at sex boo. 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:08.239 We hate her. 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.480 So she's on the stand and saying that he was 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.719 doing anything you could to get away from her. That 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.960 Lena was sending videos to Melissa of them fucking and 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.360 all these messages saying that like he would like he's mine, 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:24.920 He's gonna leave you. 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:26.960 And once like she. 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.759 Realized Jeane didn't want her, she screamed rape and when 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.719 no one believed her, she killed him. So you know, 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.440 that's a great testimony. But now it's Nia's turn to 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:41.800 go for Melissa. And Melissa, I mean, she gets swept, 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:45.640 what is it, wiped the floor with She's basically like 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.120 he said he would marry you, but you've never set 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.600 a date. There was no venue booked, and he kept 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.799 seeing you know, miss Olsen. We learned her last name, 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.680 so I bet she's Swedish descent, and so they were 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.399 just like maybe is it possible he was just giving 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.879 himself like a cover and that he did want her, 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.799 And Nia's just like, oh, he was so scared that 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.160 he went to the roof and like had her suck 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.040 his dick on a ledge, like because he was so scared. 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.520 If he was so scared, why would he do that, Like, 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.439 you've never done anything kinky with him, You've never drink 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.960 with him, So maybe there's another side to him that 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.719 you just don't know. That's like an amazing defense, like 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.000 that is so fucking good, where it's like Melissa, you 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.240 might actually be a loser, so that he doesn't actually 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.600 like that much. So they cut to the bunk bed 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.160 locker room at the station and Rollin's just screaming at 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.719 Tomorrow like how dare you spy and get involved in 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:38.200 my life? 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:38.880 Like shut up? 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.520 And then Amorrow makes the number one mistake of all 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.000 time and tells her to calm down. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:43.680 Bad move. 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.800 She's not gonna calm down, and so Amaro's like, listen, 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.799 I went with the other guys and they all said 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.359 he sucks and he's shady in a thirteen stepper, which 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.600 means like he's always fucking new girls. And Rollin's like, 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.400 you're just jealous and you're addicted to your own a 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.280 misery and I see he's like whoa, whoa, whoa relaxed, 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.760 and she's like, none of you are my dad's. 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.280 Like you wish they were your dad's Your real dad sucks. 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:09.400 These guys are good. 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.520 Guys generally, yeah, And the men are just sitting there 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.120 being like Wow, that sucks, and it's like Rollins is 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.839 just so wrong. We see it, everyone sees it, and 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.319 she's just like a fucking dummy, so like it's you know, 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:24.640 usually I would try to be on a woman's side, 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.319 but not here. So she runs to Nate's bar to 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.279 have coffee, and we find out that Nate is testifying too, 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.680 but didn't mention it to Rollins, which is fucked up 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.920 because they were just in bed talking about how Rollins 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.319 is going to testify, so it could have naturally came up, 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:44.319 and he quotes like an AA quote and like keep 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:48.360 it moving, baby, and so now we are back in court, 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:53.200 thank god. Lena's on the stand again in a librarian chic, 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.680 and she's talking about her bad dad and that Jane 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.440 would call her his three whole wonder and I can't 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.960 believe and BC aired that, like I've never thought that 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.799 that would happen in my wildest dreams. She's saying that 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.360 she was scared of him, but she felt like, you know, 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.839 she did what he wanted and kept her happy, that 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.040 he would be nice and leave her alone, and she 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:15.120 just wanted to comply. 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.040 And she know she's putting out what is. 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.560 It, like the violence she's making the little people play, 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.520 the little violence, whatever that is, and so, but Barbara 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.360 is ready to like fuck with her. So Barbara is like, Lena, 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.040 are you really upset that the rape charges didn't stick? 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.760 Or are you mad that he didn't leave his fiance? Rude? 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.840 And she's like, how dare you? Because I was raped? 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.359 And he's like, yeah, but you invited him in and 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.480 you sucked his dick on the roof, so what's happening? 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.000 And Barbara's like, like, so you're telling me he came 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.680 and then immediately became violent, Like that makes no sense, 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.719 Like you you know, you're usually chill after you come. 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.320 And she's like, stop yelling at me. It's like my dad, 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.120 and so a lot of dad stuff in this episode. 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.640 You know, he asks why did you lie to the 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:06.320 cops so much? She has no answer. So now Robin's 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.720 is getting a little nervous about like taking the stand. 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.759 Amoro and Barbara are gossiping about Nate, and then back 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.320 at the precinct, we find out Cassidy is making Olivia 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.680 clam sauce for dinner, which delicious, and then Amanda's pulling 0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.400 a double to be their way. Nate testifies like she 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.920 is acting like a fourteen year old girl. 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:25.720 It is really uncomfortable. 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.239 Well, for a detective, she's not picking up on a 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.440 lot of fucking like signals and signs and evidence like 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:33.120 you she get a little bit more. 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.560 She's acting like a real cop, which is nice. 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:40.479 Yeah, Amorro is like, yo, I don't think you want 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.000 to do that, and she's like, I don't think I 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.400 asked for your opinion, bitch. So Rollin's is fuming, and 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.440 Benson goes to like just chill her out and is like, girl, like, 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.239 relax and maybe you should go talk to someone. 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:53.040 Maybe you should go to. 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:57.040 Therapy, and Rollin says something that she thinks is a burn, 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.160 but it really isn't. She goes, oh, I don't have 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.719 to pay for someone to listen to my problems. And 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.439 it's like okay, yeah, you just go to meetings where 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.120 you're being fully used and taken advantage of and you're 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.320 a fucking idiot. So Nate's on the stand and Nia 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.440 is playing softball with him, and then Barba is about 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.279 to just like go down, and I forgot. 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.600 To say that. Amorro does smell. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.120 Rollins like, you probably don't want to go watch Nate's testimony, 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.000 and she's like fuck you, you know, like we. 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.200 Know something's about to happen. 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.640 So Barbara is like, oh, you're a therapist, and it's like, no, 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.319 you're not, which I loved that little sass. But Nate 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.280 admits he's had sex with Lena, and Lena turns around 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.000 and gives Amanda like puppy dog eyes like I'm so sorry. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.680 Barba asks when is the last time you fucked her? 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:46.320 And it was one week ago. So while he's fucking Rollins, 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.160 he's fucking Lena and it's all coming out on the 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.920 stand and he admits that Rollins didn't know about Lena, 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:56.240 but Lena knew about Rollins. He shared about Rolin's sister 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.840 and job, and then Lena asked Nate to bring Rollins 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.399 and he did. Rollins leaves, wiping tears away because she's humiliated, 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:05.400 but don't worry. 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.640 She will never grow or change or be a better person. 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.839 He meets her at the elevator and is like, I 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:12.960 know you're upset, Like let's just talk. 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.160 Let's go to a meeting. Quotes quotes coats forgive and forget. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.840 You know, I still believe you, Amanda, to progress, not perfection. 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:22.560 Don't give up on the program. 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.880 She doesn't say anything back to him, and Barbara comes 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.799 and says sorry to her and he had to do it. 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:29.919 She's not angry with him, which is correct. She only 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.239 has herself to be angry at. 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:36.080 Okay, so you know she is guilty. Lena is guilty. 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.440 The jury finds are guilty of murder, and she's remanded 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.960 for sensing. Bye, bitch, go to jail. Glasses invests are 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:43.799 not going to help you. 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:44.120 Here. 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.120 Rollin's and Ice and Craigan are chatting and she's like, 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.520 I don't feel better yet, even when she was guilty, 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.840 and Ice invites her for a beer, but she's like, no, 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:53.160 I'm just going to go to a meeting. 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:55.840 Does she go to a meeting? No, she goes to 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:56.520 the casino. 0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.880 She's keeps hitting the blackjack thing and she's looking cigarettes 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.640 so cool. 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:09.360 Damn Well wow that because like this Lena woman was 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.280 like very pre like this all goes to the premeditation 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.200 was how she slept with Nay and like like got 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.640 into the got to know Rollins and got close to Rollins. 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.600 Also she could kind of pull off this crime. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:26.120 Yeah, you know, like that's really sort of very diabolical. 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.520 Well wait until you hear about the real crime. This 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:46.160 is based on We will be right back, Okay. So 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:52.200 this crime is typically unfortunately called the Jody Arias case, 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.400 even though it is the case of the murder of 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.319 Travis Alexander. But this you probably have heard about this 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:01.560 case because it was truly one of the biggest cases 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:07.280 in the last decade, and it was fully covered on CNN. 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.480 HLN had a full nighttime show dedicated to it. 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.080 I remember watching it on TV on like you know 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:14.560 where I was. 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.960 I was at the comedy condo of Zany's Downtown and 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:19.640 watching it on TV because it was like a TV 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:21.239 with ten channels, and I was like, I guess they 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:22.799 have hl and I'm going to watch a shit down 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.600 about this weird Mormon murder or whatever. And then later 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:29.560 when I was living when I was in La on 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.279 a trip, I remember finding a Huffington Post article that 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.040 was just a one hundred and fifty slide slide show 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:35.720 of this case. 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.160 And I stayed up till three. 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.320 In the morning just like going through crime scene photos 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.560 and like finding out every detail about this case. So 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.680 needless to say, I've been, I've been. I've been studying 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.360 this case before. I'm not going to say I remember 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.160 everything that I learned in twenty thirteen, but I have 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.799 re researched it for the purposes of the pod. 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.320 So let me start from the beginning. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.120 Travis Alexander was just a young guy, a salesman, a 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.600 motivational speaker for a company called pre Paid Legal Services, 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:08.080 living in Mesa, Arizona. Everybody loves this guy. He's got family, 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.040 he's got friends. He had a kind of a rough 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.360 childhood growing up, like he had abusive, drug addicted parents, 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.480 but he, you know, overcame everything and had like a 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:20.080 great professional life and lots of friends, and everybody spoke 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:20.600 of him. 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.319 Like he was just the greatest, nicest guy. 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.280 But of course he's like he's about to hit thirty, 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.960 and he's Mormon and he's not married, so he is 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.239 sort of like people are kind of like, when are 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:32.080 you going to settle down? 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:33.080 Blah blah blah. 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.640 So in September of two thousand and six, Travis meets 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:41.120 a hot, young bottle blonde named Jody Arius at a 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:45.800 Prepaid Legal conference in Las Vegas. Okay, these two immediately 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.000 hit it off. They have chemistry. They start talking on 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.400 the phone like multiple is. 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.759 The prepaid part important? Yeah, it's called that's the name 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:54.200 of the place. 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.920 It's called the the place called PPL pre Paid Legal, 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.480 And I think that's like their services are, like it's 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.600 probably similar to like who set up my business account? 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.480 You go like on the internet and like get all 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.040 these legal services like in a bubble. I thought they 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.360 like prepaid for their tickets to the conference. 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:10.600 And it's like, is this a clue. 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.640 Oh no, that's the name of the business. 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.000 Yeah, the name of the business is Prepaid Legal. So 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.080 they start talking on the phone all the time, high 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.680 school style. She lives in Palm Desert, California, shout out 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.960 to Palm Springs area, and he lives in Mace, Arizona. 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.240 So they're long distance and to give you an idea 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.239 of how quickly things are moving, they meet in September 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.040 of two thousand and six, and in November of two 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.880 thousand and six, Jody is baptized by Travis in a 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.920 Mormon ceremony. So they're not even dating yet. They're just 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.600 talking on the phone and they have this crazy chemistry. 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.160 But I think she's so into the idea of dating 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.239 him and like he's into her that like they probably know, 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:50.680 like this can't really go any further. 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:51.560 If I'm not Mormon. 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.040 So she starts like the process of I don't really 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.200 know what the Mormon conversion process is. All I read 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.800 was that she was baptized in this Mormon ceremony. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:00.680 Yeah, I bet it's like all you have to do 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.279 is want to be a Mormon and dunk in a 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.520 lake like they're desperate for new followers. 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:05.160 Yeah. 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.239 And we actually just watched my big fact Greek wedding 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:11.960 yesterday starring me of Ardalas, and her husband gets baptized in. 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.600 The Greek Orthodox Church to marry her. 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.719 So I just watched a weird baptism of a grown 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.880 man yesterday, but this was a woman, and he did 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.440 it for her. And then they begin dating in February 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.200 of two thousand and seven. I don't know if they 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:23.920 had like a busy Christmas season. I don't know why 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:25.920 they couldn't start dating right after the dunk, but I 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:30.759 guess you know. So, premarital sex in the Mormon Church 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.000 is a huge no no. 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.879 But they these two are banging like it is their job. 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.439 They're having tons and tons of sex. His friends all 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.000 think Jody is very weird. She's very sexual. She like 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.640 straddles him like this, one I watched this twenty twenty 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.600 about it, where this one woman's like me and my 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:50.560 husband are just with them in a hot tub, the 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.640 four of us, and she's straddling him forward facing and 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.520 like kissing his neck while the other two of us 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:57.960 are in the hot tub. Like she's very awkward, but 0:45:58.080 --> 0:45:59.759 a lot of that was part of her asserting her 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.719 ession of him, and like she's very possessive. She goes 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.360 through his phone, she goes through his email, his social 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.600 media and stuff, and she's just very like they just 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:13.400 seem like they have this extremely sexual and intense relationship. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.759 They break up in June of two thousand and seven, 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.000 so this is like a four or five month relationship. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.640 They do keep up the physical stuff they've got. They 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.080 have a ton of phone sex, they exchange all many 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.960 many horny texts, and a lot of it is him initiating. 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:27.440 It's not just like I don't want to paint the 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.359 picture that like she's a full stalker. Like they're both 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.080 going back and forth, but you get the feeling that 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.680 he treats her like a sex object and not like 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.320 marriage material. You know, like he texts her how beautiful 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:39.719 she is, He text her how bad. He wants to 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.799 fuck her and stuff like that, but like not, you 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:45.799 know what I mean, it's not the same uh as 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.000 somebody he would probably marry. Oh, and then this is 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.640 relevant to something that happens in the episode. He does 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.080 text her at one point saying I'm going to tie 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.040 you to a tree and put it in your ass. 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.239 And oh, sorry, that's not even a text that's in 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.120 a taped conversation, and she goes, oh my gosh, that 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.239 is so debasing. 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:05.120 I like it. 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.440 So that's like exactly kind of like wow texts that 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.760 we're seeing from Jean and uh Lena in episode Okay, 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.799 after they break up, she does a totally normal thing 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.200 and moves from California. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.120 To Arizona to be near him. 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.799 She moves to Mesa, Arizona, like the town he lives in, 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.600 and so his friends are all like, this girl is psycho. 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:28.360 He's been dating another girl. 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:31.120 And twice while he's at this girl's house, he comes 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.560 out and his tires are slashed, So like, obviously they 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.560 think that's Jody. That's not just like a thing that 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.120 keeps happening at this girl's house. 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.839 So they never got married. Oh no, no, no, So 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:42.839 he's just this. 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.800 I guess I assumed he was a virgin till thirty 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.440 waiting for marriage, but he was a slutty Mormon. 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.840 Who's slutty Mormon? Okay. 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.920 And we find out a little bit later that they 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.279 do do a lot of anal sex because like you 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.960 know how Mormons will think that that's not real sex 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.000 or whatever, like anal and oral, but then they all 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.960 have regular like penetrative vaginal sex. And so yes, he's 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.640 breaking Mormon rules left and right because he's like so 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.359 horny for her. You can like tell when you see 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:11.680 these text messages and hear these recorded conversations like that 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.680 they are just like little fuck machines for each other. 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.080 So not to speak ill of the dead, but he 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:20.000 was very horny for his murderer. And not to blow, 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.120 not to blow the thing. But I think everyone knows 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.960 how this ends. One funny thing I think in that 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.160 they're highlighting in a lot of these news things is 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.440 that they both have blogs. Like I just think it's 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.279 very mid aughts to be like then he wrote on 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.960 his blog X and she wrote on her blog why. 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.200 And it's just so funny because like, I don't know, 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.480 I never had a blog like that, but it's so 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:44.359 that time period, so they'll talk about these like, I mean, 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.880 I just saw did you watch the fuck what was 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:48.360 it called? 0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.040 The Murder Hotel one? Hotel Cecil? 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:55.359 Yeah, the Hotel's Cecil Hotel one, Like everything in that 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.239 whole like documentary series, was like her blog and like 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.680 it's always cryptic shit that doesn't mean anything, like he 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.120 writes on his Oh, she writes on her blog, I 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.560 cannot ignore that there is an ever present yearning and 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.400 desire that pulses within me. It throbs for gratification and fulfillment. 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.520 What are you even talking about? And then Travis writes 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.799 desperately trying to find out if my date has an 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.359 axe murderer penned up inside of her, Okay, a little 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.680 bit more specific, So he obviously is thinking I might 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.440 be dating a psycho, but I'm obviously very horny for her. 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.640 So during the first week of June two thousand and eight, 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.320 Travis tells his friends that he thinks Jody maybe hacked 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.880 into his Facebook, and he said that he told her 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.640 to stay out of his life forever. So this could 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.600 have been the triggering moment for Jody where she was like, 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.160 if I can't have you. Nobody can because then on 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.960 June fourth, she drives to Mesa, Arizona, from California. 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:50.200 They have sex. 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:51.799 They have a lot of sex, and they take all 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.840 these sexually explicit photos which you can see in the 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:59.440 Huffington Post slide show that I mentioned earlier, if you're interested. 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.120 There are black bars over the naughty bits, but the 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:02.879 photos are there. 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:06.400 And then nobody hears from Travis. 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.440 After June fourth, for a few days, okay, Jodi drives 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.000 to go visit this Mormon meatthead guy that she started 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.280 to date in Utah that she also met at another 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:16.440 prepaid legal conference. 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:17.880 This girls like a conference. 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.440 Rat, and he says that they make out passionately. That 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.480 her and this guy they don't have sex, but he 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.520 says it doesn't seem like she's got anything on her mind. 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.520 Nothing seems off with her at all. 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:32.759 On June ninth, five days later, friends have not heard 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:33.360 from Travis. 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:34.400 They go to his apartment. 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.080 What I think is weird is in the twenty twenty 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.120 thing they say he has roommates, and I'm like, was 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:39.160 nobody home like? 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:41.400 Because he is found. 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.239 When they go into his apartment, they find that his 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.360 apartment is covered in blood. He is dead in the shower, 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.239 decomposing and starting to mummify, like when they go into 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:50.840 the room, they can smell immediately. 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.080 So I don't understand why. 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:57.000 These roommates didn't like sense anything. Maybe they were out 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:57.279 of town. 0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:58.880 I think he lived in a house and he had 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.720 his own wing of the house type situation. Oh okay, 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.799 well he had housemates, that's right, and they were like 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.000 on a different side. So maybe they just missed each 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:06.680 other coming in and. 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:07.160 Out or something. 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.600 Yeah, that's creepy if I knew I was sleeping for 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.040 four days and nights with like my dead roommate in 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:12.440 my house. 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.760 Oh my god. Anyway, nightmare fuel. 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:20.640 So his wounds are so extensive, it's like very very disturbing. 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.320 So you know, I don't know, fast forward thirty seconds 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.080 if you don't want to hear about this, But he's 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.520 been stabbed twenty seven times. His throat is slit, like 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.520 very deeply, like it's cut his voice box, his arteries, 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.920 like it's a very deep like ear to ear slit, 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.040 and he's been shot in the head with a twenty 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:37.959 five caliber gun. 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:39.879 So the scene is. 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.759 Really really horrific, like splatter everywhere, it's like a dexter situation. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:49.280 They find a bloody print, like I read a fingerprint, 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:50.799 but I also read palm print, but it's like a 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:56.080 bloody print, and they find a hair. Basically a week 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:59.440 after the body is found, Jody voluntarily goes to the 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.160 Mesa Pola department and it's like, I really want to help. 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:05.160 I heard that my friend Travis died. And this is 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.400 just like textbook narcissism, Like she just needs to insert 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.440 herself into the case. I mean, we've seen this obviously 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.440 on stview a million times, but it's wild that she 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.160 literally called them, Like it wasn't like they called her 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.240 in and they're like, we're calling in all friends of Travis, 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.799 all ex girlfriends or whatever. Like she went to them, 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.319 she gave fingerprints, she gave a DNA sample, and she 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:28.840 said she hadn't seen Travis since April. So the crazy 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.680 piece of evidence in this case that people talk about 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:36.120 and is the most I think interesting, is that is 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.000 a digital camera that they find in the washing machine. 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.680 It's been run through the wash cycle. Now, on the 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.319 memory card they find photos that have been deleted. But 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:47.360 as you should all know, nothing is ever really deleted. 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:50.319 Like you delete something, it still exists somewhere, Like I 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.720 don't know. It's like very hard to really really delete things, 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.000 except for like papers I wrote in college, where I'd 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.560 be almost done and then it would disappear. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:59.720 Or maybe that was an excuse I used. I don't remember. 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.760 But the memory card they obviously recover. 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:07.239 They have their own Taru person and they recover these 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:11.440 photos that are all these sexual photos of Travis and Jody, 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.480 and then these kind of aready type photos of Travis 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.759 in the shower, like him with his arms up or 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.239 like leaning against the tile with the water running on him. 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.359 You can see all these photos in the slide show. 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:26.080 And then there's literally a photo of his body on 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.399 the floor of the bathroom, bloody and like have being 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:33.080 just been attacked. So like it's very crazy because you're 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.000 just scrolling, scrolling, and like it's like larty photo, arty photo, 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:37.880 and then just like a dead body, it's like or 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.759 a suffering body, like it's I don't it's unclear if 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.399 he's fully dead in the photo, but it's beyond it's 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:47.319 really really nuts. So again I'm not I'm not trying 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.760 to say that this podcast is Kara and Lisa's school 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:51.400 for how to get away with murder. But like, why 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:53.799 would you just like wash a digital camera and leave 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:55.719 it there. Why wouldn't you're on your way to Utah 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.399 to visit your other boyfriend. Why don't you just throw 0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.280 it out the window in the desert. I don't understand 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.239 why this girl did this, but she thought I guess 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.440 that water was just going to fully destroy the camera. 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.800 She also stripped the beds and like washed all the sheets. 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.799 There's just a lot of strange stuff. But like then 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:11.560 none of the blood was cleaned up. I mean, it's 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:15.440 very or the bloody palm print, so all these photos 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.960 are time stamped. The police know immediately that she's lying 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.960 about not having seen him since April, that she was 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:21.840 definitely with him the day that he died. 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.240 And then the DNA results come. 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.680 Back, and all the forensic results come back, and the 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:30.440 hair belongs to Jody, and the bloody print had Jody's 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.640 DNA and Trump and Travis's DNA. 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.680 And in theory, she could have just went to hang 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.000 out with another boyfriend and never called them or talked 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.200 to them, and they would never have her DNA or 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:40.680 find her. 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.160 Yeah, well, I think once they found the pictures, they 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.360 would have they would have brought her in, you know, 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:46.600 on the camera. 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.640 Yeah, but if she took the camera, I'm saying if 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:51.960 there was like oh yeah, if she took the camera, 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.279 if she if she just took the camera and hung 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.239 out and never talked to them, they would probably have 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.960 not found her for a while or not found her yeah. 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:01.279 Or yeah, because they would have had to have like 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.280 a reason to get her DNA, Like I don't know. Yeah, 0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:07.800 it's it's wild, like how she almost wanted to get caught, 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.200 but she has this weird personality that you find out 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.399 about more later that it's like did she just want 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:15.680 to be like infamous and be famous in a way, 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:20.880 Like it's she's very very strange person. So they have 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:24.000 her in for interrogation and she's denying having anything to 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.480 do with the murder. She's just like, I want to 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.680 help you, guys, Like this is all on video. You 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.080 can watch all of this, and it's like kind of fascinating. 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:32.400 She's just like, yeah, I have no idea what happened. 0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.520 I want to help you, like what went on? And 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:37.840 like so then she's talking to this detective, Detective Flores, 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.400 and he basically like brings out the smoking gun eventually 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.160 and is like, hey, we have these photos that are 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.439 timestamped of you there, and there's a photo of him 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:50.000 bleeding in the shower. And she's like, are you sure 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.080 it's me in the photos? And it's like, yes, bitch, 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.680 it's you in the photos. And then she changes her story, 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:59.080 like on a dime, to tell this wild tale that 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:02.720 is here on out referred to as the ninja story. 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.920 And the ninja story is that two people in ski 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:10.920 masks did a home invasion, entered the house to specifically 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:14.000 attack Travis and kill Travis. So there's a man and 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.000 a woman ninja. She fought the woman ninja, and the 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:21.720 man ninja fought Travis, and she said they killed Travis. 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:23.960 She heard the gun go off. She kind of blacked out. 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.200 She doesn't remember a lot of stuff that happened. And 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:30.319 then the woman she was able to push past them 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.520 or something like that, and they were like, just you 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.440 leave and never tell anyone this happened. Like they came 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:38.000 in to murder Travis and let a complete. 0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:39.879 Witness just leave. That's what her story is. 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.640 And the investigator is straight up like, okay, bitch, that's 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:43.520 the craziest shit. 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:44.000 I've ever heard. 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:46.359 This is like, not true, and then he tells her 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:49.279 that they're going to book her, and she goes, I 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.080 know this is going to sound like really weird or shallow, 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:53.920 but is there any way I can clean myself up 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:56.120 a little bit before you take my mugshot and like 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:59.480 my book like book me? And he's like, no, you're 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.319 going in a you are like, we're not giving you 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.640 a hair and makeup sessh before you get your fucking 0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:08.160 like mugshot taken. And then the detective leaves her alone 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:10.040 in the room and you can see this all on 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.480 YouTube or on like the twenty twenty. 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:13.840 Special I watched about this case. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:18.400 She starts acting crazy like and this reminds me of 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.400 Amanda an Ox a little bit. You know how Amanda 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:24.000 Knox case, Like she was her roommate had just been murdered, 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:25.720 and she was like making out with her boyfriend and 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.960 doing cartwheels and shit on the side. Like it is 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:32.240 weird behavior, But with Jody Arius, it's even stranger because 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:34.720 she's like in police custody and they've just told her 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:35.560 we're going to book you. 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.640 She like puts her whole body back over her chair. 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:42.439 And does this weird like yoga backbend over her chair 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:46.840 that is like weirdly sexual. And then she starts singing, 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.000 Oh Holy Night. She's just like singing, which I have 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:52.360 to admit as a Jew. That is my favorite Christmas song. 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:54.680 I do love a Holy Night, And now she's kind 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:56.280 of fucking ruined it for me because I'm going to 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.120 think about her every time I hear it. 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:01.760 And then she does a headstaine. She does a full headstand. 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.000 Jingle bells, Oh I love I like. 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.400 Jingle bells, but oh Holy Night is my is my favorite. 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:07.680 I just think it's a beautiful song. 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:13.280 She sounds like a mad TV character. No, she's happens so. 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:18.480 Strange, Like she's so strange, and it's very bizarre and performative, 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:20.520 like she must know people are watching. 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.600 She might, you know, Like it's just so weird. 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:25.520 She does a full head stand up against the wall 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.560 and it's very weird. So if you want to google 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:29.840 Jody Area's headstand, you can watch the whole video. Is 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.680 it a good headstand? Yeah, I mean she's very fit. 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:34.680 You know, you can tell that she works out. She's 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:36.840 very thin, and like, you know, she just goes right 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:39.800 up in this graceful headstand and you're just like damn girl, 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:44.240 but also you crazy. So while she awaits trial, she 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:48.480 does all these interviews. Okay, so in her first interviews, 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.400 she maintains her innocent. She's like, God knows, I'm innocent. 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.240 I know I'm innocent. I had nothing to do with 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.360 his murder. I would never hurt him. He was my friend. 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:55.800 Okay. 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:59.320 A year in two thousand and nine, she starts giving 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:03.360 interviews about the ninja story. Okay, well, no, I mean 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:04.840 people are maybe believing this. 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:05.320 I don't know. 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:08.760 It really makes no fucking sense. December of twenty ten, 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.800 which is crazy. She's now in jail like a year 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:14.720 and a half, just like a waiting trial and obviously 0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:16.960 not getting bail because of the heinous nature of the crime. 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.320 In December of twenty ten, she beats out fifty other 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:24.200 inmates in an American Idol style Christmas caroling contest with 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:28.000 her rendition of a Holy Night, and the contest is 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:32.240 held by Joe Arpaio, that fucking cowboys sheriff, that Trump 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.800 liked America's toughest sheriff, and the prize that she won 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:38.960 was a stocking full of like treats and a turkey 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.160 dinner for herself and her cellmates. 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.600 So I saw that's also there's also a video of that. 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.200 She's okay. I wouldn't give her a record contract, but 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.880 she's a fine singer. I love this case. 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:54.240 I'm so sad about the murder and whatever transpired, but 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:56.000 I'm very into the antics. 0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:59.000 It's so crazy. It's antic central, and I don't. 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:02.080 Understand why SVU and throw us a singing competition in 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:06.640 this episode. Let's get Lena in jail, but it's like 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:08.400 X Factor because they have to change it a little bit. 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:10.720 So it's just like inmates turning around in their chairs 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:11.760 being like I pick you. 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:15.480 And so she's giving all these interviews. She's like winning 1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:17.960 American Idol contest in jail. She's just getting all this 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:21.120 press and like, obviously Travis's family is like devastated. 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:23.360 They loved him. You can tell how much they loved. 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.560 Him in all these interviews, Like and then they see 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:28.760 this pretty young woman getting all this media coverage and 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.360 it must have just been very devastating for them to 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:33.200 have to see her all the time. 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:34.680 And I mean it gets worse. 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.280 Let me get to what is her third and final 1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:42.480 version of her story, which is that she claims that 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:44.880 she was the victim of domestic violence and that she 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.919 was that she killed Travis in self defense. And one 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:51.280 more thing, she claims that Travis was a pedophile. She 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.920 claims that he wrote her letters where he confessed to 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:56.800 his attraction to young boys and girls. 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.880 The letters were like never found or I think a 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:00.760 judge tried to. 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.160 Have them admitted, and they were not admitted because I 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:04.120 don't think they were real. 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:05.959 And they found nothing on. 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.680 His computers, like nothing in his house that showed that 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:12.440 he might have had these kind of proclivities or you 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:15.160 know that he was into that kind of thing. She 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:17.280 claims that the day of the murder, she walked in 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:19.400 he was masturbating to a picture of a young boy. 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:21.600 They never found the picture. Is that something you grabbed 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.800 on your way out of the house, Like the photo 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:28.200 was never there. So basically, her third and final version 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:30.320 of the story is that she did kill him in 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:30.960 self defense. 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:32.280 I'll get into it a little bit more later. 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:36.160 And then she tries to completely attack his character and 1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:39.440 for his family, like they talk about it in this 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:43.439 documentary twenty twenty, thing like where that was so hard 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:45.280 for them. Not only have you lost this family member, 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.440 but now his killer is painting this insane picture of 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:52.080 him that's not true, and that is like disrespectful and horrible. 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:56.240 So her trial begins on January second of twenty thirteen, 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.240 and she's a totally different looking person. This is again 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.560 something they borrow a SVU. Like, she's not blonde anymore. 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:07.400 She's got this dark, dark brunette hair. She's got bad bangs, glasses, 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.280 Cardigan City. And I want to say she looks like 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:12.400 a librarian, but we have a lot of librarian listeners 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:14.920 who are probably hot, so maybe this is an outdated reference, 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.480 but you do get my point. She is definitely playing 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:20.800 up the like mousey. Like in all the photos of 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.200 her and Travis, you never see her wearing glasses, and 1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:25.919 suddenly in court she's got like specs on every day 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.760 and is like, oh, you know, like looking so meek 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:31.960 and like trying to be cute. The prosecutor in this 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:34.440 case is a man named Juan Martinez, and in his 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.360 opening statement, he played part of this media interview she 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:40.760 had given in the years prior where she said, mark 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:44.560 my words, no jury will convict me. She later said 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:47.600 that when she said that, she meant that she had 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.080 been planning to end her life by suicide and that 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:53.360 no jury will convict me because I won't be alive. 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:56.720 But it's like, okay, okay, that's not how it came out. 1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.840 But I think obviously he's trying to use that to say, 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:04.360 paint this picture of like a sociopath who is orchestrating 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:05.760 a full defense of herself. 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.240 That's not real. Yeah, that's what we forget. 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.919 We always talk about how good like murderers are such 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:14.520 good actors, but some are just bad liars and actors too, 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.240 you know, like, yeah, this is a great example of 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.800 someone who just really failed her improv one on one class, 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:21.920 just can't get it together. 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:22.720 Yeah. 1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:25.400 But she, I think believed like they were talking about 1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:27.240 when she was making up the ninja story, I mean 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.560 she made that up on the spot because that she 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:31.919 made that up right after she said I wasn't there 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.280 and I didn't do anything. When they confronted her, she 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.480 was like, Okay, here's what happened with the ninjas. It's like, 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.439 so she either had that pre prepared or she made 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.120 it up on the spot. And like, even though it 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:43.520 was a batshit story, the detective was like, she did 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.560 have a lot of details, Like she knew a lot 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:50.479 of details, but you know, still not good enough. One 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:54.480 crazy thing that the detective testified about. Detective Flores said 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:59.360 that Jody had written a check to Travis for two 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.960 hundred dollars for like a car payment before he died, 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:04.480 and she really wanted to know if he had cashed 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:07.840 it before he died, like over two hundred dollars. She 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:12.000 emails his sister about the check to offer her condolences 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:14.880 and find out about the check. Needless to say, the 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:18.280 sister never replied. I just had This doesn't have much 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:19.720 to do with anything. I just thought it was an 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:24.800 interesting tidbit. So here was what made this trial so 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.640 crazy is that she testified in her own defense, and 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:32.320 that was something she insisted on. She insisted on testifying, 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:36.040 and she testified for eighteen days, which is like unprecedented. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:37.840 Apparently, like I it's. 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.880 Maybe happened before, but it's not a common thing, especially 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:44.240 in a case that's getting so much media coverage. And 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:46.320 I think she thought I got to get my face 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.160 out there, I got to be heard. He once people 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:51.400 see how like cute and like shy and demure I am, 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:53.200 they'll never think that I could have done such a 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:57.240 heinous crime, and so her defense that what she testifies 1:04:57.280 --> 1:04:59.480 about on the stand is that Travis freaked out when 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:02.520 she dropped camera and that she had to defend herself. 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.120 She says he screamed at her, kicked her, and body 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:08.280 slammed her. But they brought in other witnesses, people that 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.000 had dated him, and like, no one in his life 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:12.240 ever said he had a temper. 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:12.600 No. 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:15.280 I mean, I do think there are cases like this 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:18.400 where men can show a different side, you know, of themselves. 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:20.440 But like they brought in other women he dated, They 1:05:20.480 --> 1:05:23.040 brought in next girlfriends. They were like, never, never, ever, 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:26.120 did he ever do anything remotely violent or show a 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:29.960 temper towards me. Obviously there's only the two people in 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:32.280 a relationship know what goes on in that relationship. But 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.560 you're not getting it's not we're not getting a picture 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:40.640 that this is an abusive guy. And then later the 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:44.880 jury foreman, whose name was William Zervakos, he said that 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.240 he thinks the eighteen days on the stand hurt her. 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:49.160 He was like, she's not a good witness, Like it 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:50.680 was not good for her to be on the stand 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:53.120 for that long, and like just she just gave the 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:54.960 prosecution so much, Amuli, I. 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:57.680 Wish she broke out into song that way. I know 1:05:57.800 --> 1:06:01.919 that would have really since this is my favorite case 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:02.120 of her. 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:04.440 She was like, there's one song that can express how 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:06.720 I feel, and then she like sings Lady Marmaline. 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:07.120 Okay. 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:11.400 Arizona is one of the states where jurors are allowed 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:15.720 to ask questions after the prosecution and the defense have rested. 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:19.560 They asked a hundred questions, and that really showed how 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:23.080 skeptical they were about her testimony. So there was a 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:29.080 clinical psychologist for the prosecution named Janine Demart. Her name 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:31.400 is spelled j A N E E N. A very 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:35.600 interesting take on Janine, and she said that there was 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:38.640 no evidence that Alexander had ever abused Arius and no 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:42.840 evidence of PTSD or amnesia, and that she claimed all 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.960 this total memory loss like for this long period of time, 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:48.919 which is kind of inconsistent with how traumatic amnesia works 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:51.880 with PTSD, Like I think it's more snatches of memory, 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:54.240 whereas she's like, yeah, and then just for four hours, 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.360 I don't remember anything, Like that's kind of not how 1:06:56.400 --> 1:07:00.880 it works. So this clinical psychologist said she thought that 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:04.840 Arius was suffering from borderline personality disorder and showed signs 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:08.720 of immaturity and quote an unstable sense of identity. And 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:11.800 I think that is true when you watch some of 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:14.760 the docs about her and stuff, like when she met Travis, 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:16.160 she kind of didn't know what she was doing with 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:18.280 her life, like she wanted to be a photographer, but 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:20.360 that wasn't really working out, and then she I think 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:22.360 got a job for prepaid legal and that's how she 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:25.720 met him, and so she was kind of trying to 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:29.160 figure out, you know, who she was. And then I 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.760 think converting to Mormonism two months after you meet someone 1:07:31.800 --> 1:07:34.160 as a red flag, Like she didn't have any idea 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:37.360 who she was, and it's probably part of a larger diagnosis. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:44.120 But so then after the trial finally concluded on May seventh, 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:46.240 so it started on January second, so it's like a 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:50.520 five month trial, the media is wrapped. After fifteen hours 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.680 of deliberation, Arius has found guilty of first degree murder, 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.360 and out of twelve jurors, five of them found her 1:07:57.360 --> 1:08:00.640 guilty of first degree premeditated murder and seven her guilty 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:05.080 of both first degree premeditated murder and felony murder. And 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:09.400 then the next phase of her trial was the death 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:10.680 penalty because. 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:12.440 People really wanted her to get the death penalty. 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:16.320 The first trial for her death penalty sentencing was like 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:18.599 a mistrial because, like I think, the jury just could 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:23.519 not decide, and then eventually she was given life in prison, 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.320 so she was able to avoid the death penalty. She 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:31.080 did testify it her death penalty hearing, saying I've designed 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.519 a T shirt and it's like this white T shirt 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:35.920 that just says survivor and purple on it, and it's 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:39.479 just like everything about her rings inauthentically. You know, it's like, 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:44.040 no one not thought you were a domestic abuse survivor 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:47.040 until this case happened, and now you're just making this 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:50.240 weird slapshot T shirt that's like that's what you're going 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:51.479 to sell or something like. 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:54.800 She was very strange. She would have actually done good 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:55.880 out here in the world. 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.920 Oh, she was doing merch. Girl, she has she was 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:01.519 doing merch. Her brothers opened an eBay account where she 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:02.920 sells art she makes in prison. 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:06.559 There's all kinds of shit this girl is doing. 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:09.960 So does she have like lover fans like male killers do, 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:11.040 like our people. 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:12.879 I'm sure, I'm. 1:09:12.720 --> 1:09:14.920 Sure I didn't read anything about that, but like, I 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:16.639 am sure that she does. 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:19.800 How do you think our friend Joyce Arts Management will 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:21.679 react when I start buying Jody arias? 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:27.040 Do you think they can get d I would love 1:09:27.080 --> 1:09:29.960 to find out from her how serial killer art is like, 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:33.240 or killer art is like valued, and how it appreciates 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:33.719 over time. 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:36.040 I do have to know Jody did have a boyfriend 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:40.080 for a while. I remember that in NGEL. Yeah, I 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:41.000 would visit it a lot. 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:44.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure like she's I mean, 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:47.840 she's like a cute girl, Like I'm sure people were like, 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:50.240 you're so she also and this might. 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:53.280 Be rude because like, obviously it's sad this man is dead. 1:09:53.320 --> 1:09:56.439 But I do wonder if the victim was a woman 1:09:56.520 --> 1:09:59.400 not a guy, if they would have used her sexual. 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:04.040 Kinks against her to be like she deserved it. No, 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.800 I know, And I wonder. I think that what everybody 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:09.280 was saying was like this case was so it was 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:11.639 so popular because it was like dripping with sex. 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:13.760 That's like what the people were saying, like there was 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:14.599 just so much sex. 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:17.120 There's so many text messages where they're like she's like 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:19.360 we're just horny toads, Like I want to fuck you 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.160 so bad, like my pussy's wet, Like she sends all 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:25.240 these crazy texts. There's recorded message, Like there's recorded phone 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:28.439 conversations though that are recorded because she recorded them to 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:31.760 use them against him later, Like she would record these 1:10:31.760 --> 1:10:34.280 sexual conversations with him, like I think in a way 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:35.720 to say, like if you ever leave me, I'll send 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:36.040 these to. 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:36.679 The Mormon church. 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:39.760 So she had some issues, and I yeah, I don't 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.680 think that anyone's like sexual kinks should be used against them, 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:45.160 But I think because of the Mormon community that she 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:47.120 was in and the fact that she was doing all 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:50.559 this other possessive, crazy shit, it all kind of paints 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:53.080 a picture of a person who's not fully with it. 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:58.160 I did want to mention that they tried to appeal 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:00.519 this case, saying, you know, because of the media, she 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:04.000 didn't get a fair trial, and also because Juan Martinez, 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:07.120 who I mentioned, was the prosecutor. He got into some 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:11.360 trouble because he was accused of leaking the identity of 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:14.639 one of the jurors and sexually harassing female law clerks 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:16.920 in his office. Like apparently he had a real my 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:19.320 eyes are up here one kind of problem, like he 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:22.080 would literally just stare at women's chests and is built 1:11:22.120 --> 1:11:24.920 in his office, and women in his office would like 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:27.840 always kind of like duck into conference rooms when he 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:30.080 was around because they didn't want to deal with his leering. 1:11:30.680 --> 1:11:34.400 But I think he ended up getting disbarred because of 1:11:34.920 --> 1:11:37.439 he was in a sexual relationship with a blogger that 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:41.559 he leaked this jurors information. Again, blogs huge part of 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:45.160 this case. So in the end, she is still in 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:49.160 jail in Arizona. Apparently she started a Twitter account and 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.080 wrote I don't know if I'm going to plea or appeal, 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:56.839 and that was late in twenty fifteen, I think. 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:59.280 But she's still in jail. 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:03.760 And I even after the disbarment of this prosecutor, the 1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:05.960 judges who decide whether she's going to get an appeal said, 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:11.680 even though he had egregious behavior, you were convicted like completely. 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:14.360 Correctly, and you're not going anywhere. Baby. I wonder if 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:15.719 she's popular in prison. 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:18.720 I am obsessed with her, Like I do understand the 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.479 commotion the world had, yeah, and I want to know, like. 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:23.600 Is she like, damn, that wasn't worth it. 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:26.759 I'm in jail, or she like still thinks she's innocent, 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.519 or is she just crushing it? In jail and she's 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:31.680 so crazy that it doesn't matter, and she's living in 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:33.799 a fantasyland like I just want to know everything. 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:39.960 Yeah, she's very chaotic and art good or gen z. 1:12:42.000 --> 1:12:44.760 But I think that is what drop people to it, 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:47.240 like what you're just like full and you get the 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:49.920 feeling that she believes everything that she's saying because like 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:54.439 in her mind maybe it's true, but she It just 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:58.599 to me is like the whole They dated for four months, 1:12:58.680 --> 1:13:00.040 you know, and I know that they kept up the 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:04.000 sexual relationship, but the murder. And I will say, if 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:05.720 you're gonna go look up this slide show that I 1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:07.679 am referencing and that will be in our show notes. 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:10.080 The graphic the photos of the crime scene are very graphic, 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:12.200 like they do show his body, and like it's just 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:16.240 so such an aggressive crime. It wasn't just like if 1:13:16.280 --> 1:13:17.840 I can't have you, no one can, I'm gonna shoot 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:19.760 you in the head, Like just the stabbing. I mean, 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:23.640 like there is anger in this murder. So it's like, ugh, 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.080 I don't know what, Yeah, like. 1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:28.040 Was it about him or would she have killed someone 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:29.200 else the next boyfriend? 1:13:29.360 --> 1:13:31.120 Yeah, yeah, who knows? 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:36.599 Wow, But I think it's it's interesting how SBU did 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:38.800 sort of like this. They took this case, but this 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:43.240 case is very like Arizona Mormons, like they so they 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:45.000 took whatever they could and like put it in a 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:48.280 New York setting, you know, in the SV episode. But 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:51.559 it is just like I always want to believe women, 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:53.639 and I do think that it is a small, small, 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:56.439 small percentage of people like this that are or like 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:59.720 the Lena character, that are fully inventing a scenario and 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:01.439 having up you. 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:02.200 Know, psychology. 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:05.280 Yeah, And I always say, like, you know, people lie 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:09.759 about being robbed or insurance scams or so many different crimes, 1:14:10.160 --> 1:14:13.120 and it never takes away the legitimacy of other people 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:16.799 who have been robbed. And I don't understand how only 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:20.320 in rape and sexual assault cases are a few like 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:25.400 this tiny population that lies is not just seen as like, oh, 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:29.599 these people are unwell and committing other crimes. Yeah, sent 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:33.720 women lie, but it's like Ryan Lochtey straight up was 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:36.840 like I got robbed during the Olympics, fully lied and 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:40.160 no one cared and everyone just believed him anyways, And 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:43.240 everyone can still say they're robbed and it doesn't it 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:44.240 mean that men lie. 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:46.599 And so it is very annoying that like. 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:51.600 Why the small percentage of women suddenly represent all the 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:52.559 women that are attacked. 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:55.120 I mean, I know why patriarchy, but no, that is 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:55.880 such a good point. 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:57.920 I never thought about that, Like this is the only 1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:01.080 kind of case where like the bad actions of a 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.479 few affect the many. Yeah, as like that doesn't happen, 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:10.280 and like, yeah, like wrongful accusations of robbery or like 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:14.680 larceny or fucking tax evasion or whatever. I think it 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.960 because it's always it's always couched as this crazy bitch 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.320 is trying to take this man's life down, is trying 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:24.639 to ruin this man's life, and it's like in this case, yes, 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:27.800 but that is a very small percentage. 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:28.599 I think. 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:30.959 The topic of religion also is interesting. 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:34.599 Of Travis. Alexander was a very devout man. 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:37.160 He wore like a ring I think for like being 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:40.040 a verge, and then he fell in love I think, 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:41.840 or had this passionate thing for Jodie, and. 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:42.559 So he was torn. 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:44.040 But he broke it up because he was like, I 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:46.519 know I'm doing something wrong, but he was so yeahing 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.439 towards her, like it makes I don't know, I just 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:50.280 feel like the idea of religion as a thing. 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:51.080 No, it's so true. 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:53.559 Really, the whole the religion thing does add like another 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:55.720 layer to it because it's like in any other world, 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:57.519 if he wasn't religious, he could have just like been 1:15:57.640 --> 1:15:59.320 having sex with this woman or wouldn't have been the 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:01.519 shame and they could just be horny for each other. 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:02.400 But I mean I. 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:07.040 Think also, yeah, I think it was like another It 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:10.920 was probably another thing where that made Jody feel inadequate 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:14.400 or like an outsider and probably fueled like the rage more, 1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:17.160 you know, like I got baptized for you, you son 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:17.679 of a bitch? 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:20.880 Like who knows? You know, like what, who knows what 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:21.519 went through her mind? 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:23.120 I hope I would love for her to do some 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:25.800 kind of like jailhouse confessional and say, like here's what 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:27.960 I was thinking, or like, you know, you're not getting 1:16:27.960 --> 1:16:30.160 out of jail anytime in your life, so you might 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:32.880 as well give us some insight into what the hell 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:34.640 was going through your mind, Like did you drive there 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:37.200 specifically to do that? Did it like just hit you 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:39.320 at some point or did he say did he say 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:40.120 that's the last time. 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:41.280 We're ever doing this or something? 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:43.160 After you guys had all this horny sex and then 1:16:43.240 --> 1:16:46.840 you were like, you know, like I don't know, Well, 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:48.559 we won't know until she tells us. 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:53.799 Or were their ninjas, you know? Or were their ninjas? Lisa. 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:57.160 This is like when that guy in that episode said 1:16:57.240 --> 1:16:59.360 I saw ghosts of the KKK in the hallway and 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:02.960 you were like, we can't say he didn't. So the 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:05.960 ninjas could also be The ninjas could also be real. 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.800 Well, we have a hot ass guest. Can't wait? 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.240 Yeah, excited, stick around. We'll be right back with our guest, 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:24.360 our next guest. We're so excited to bring you this chat. 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:27.479 He is a stage actor who originated the role of 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:30.400 Greg in Neil Abute's Reasons to Be Pretty, where he 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:33.479 was nominated for a Tony and you know him from 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:37.439 TV from HBO's The Newsroom and Life in Pieces, but 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:41.120 on SVU you know him as Nate Davis. Check out 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:44.400 our chat with the very talented Thomas Sadowski. 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:47.280 We did watch all of your episodes, so if you 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:48.600 want to talk about. 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:52.200 Yeah, you're a three pete defender on SVO. 1:17:52.680 --> 1:17:56.640 Murder Douche and then you come back to redeem yourself. 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.160 A little bit, right. I actually managed to show up 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:02.120 and get a little bit of a yeah, yeah, I 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.439 did the the Sbu gambit. I think I did the 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:07.280 trifecta of all the Law and Order shows, if I 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:11.200 remembered quickly, I did the original recipe, Extra Crispy and 1:18:12.520 --> 1:18:17.080 the Colonel's Blend. Yeah. 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:20.080 Well, a lot of actors we talked to say that 1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:22.000 it's like a rite of passage to get on the 1:18:22.040 --> 1:18:23.880 Law and Order shows. As a New York actor, did 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:25.479 you feel that way when you got booked? 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.479 Oh? Yeah, for sure. I mean, not only is it 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.800 a right of passage, but particularly like when I first 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:33.840 started coming up in the business in the late nineties 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:36.760 and early two thousands, there wasn't a whole lot of 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:40.040 stuff that was shooting in New York. And like definitely 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:45.040 post nine to eleven, like there wasn't really anything that 1:18:45.080 --> 1:18:47.920 was shooting in like the industry bailed on New York. 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:51.000 So the only people that were really stuck around it 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.400 was like Rescue Me and Dick Woolf, like all of 1:18:54.439 --> 1:18:56.760 his shows were the only ones that stuck in New York. 1:18:56.920 --> 1:19:01.240 So for theater actors, for actors, but you know, primarily 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:05.320 for theater actors, you know, who were making four hundred 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:08.760 dollars a week off Broadway, you know, before taxes and 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:14.840 union dues, those those shows like literally kept people in 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:18.160 their homes, you know. So to get to get hired 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.400 on on a Law and Order gig was a life saver. 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.320 And it was a total rite of passage, you know. 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:26.599 And and it's one of those great things where you know, 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.439 after you've done it and you've joined the I don't 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:31.760 call it the fraternity, but you join the you know, 1:19:31.920 --> 1:19:34.479 you join the club. Anywhere you go in the world, 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.400 you can turn on one of the Law and Orders 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.800 and you can see, you know, some of your old 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:41.760 friends from back in the back in the city like 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:46.000 doing their thing. Yeah, it's it's it's an amazing little world. 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:48.559 I for for the rest of my days, I will 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:51.360 appreciate mister Woolf for what he did for the city 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:53.880 and for actors in the city, and for none and 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.880 for you know, writers and the crew. Not a lot 1:19:56.920 --> 1:20:01.360 of people have had the the decency to stick around 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:04.599 after the eleventh when we when we really needed people, 1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:07.599 and he did so for all the ups and downs 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.720 in his weird pink socks. I really like the guy. 1:20:11.320 --> 1:20:12.320 Wait, what are the weird Wait? 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:17.439 Okay, So every time I've ever gone into meet with 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:19.880 Dick Wolf. He's been wearing pink socks. 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:23.280 Wow, goop. 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:28.680 I don't know if that's like a daily thing or 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:31.719 if it's just one of those weird coincidences in my life, 1:20:32.120 --> 1:20:35.479 but I always associate I always associated mister Wolf of 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:36.080 pink socks. 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:38.320 Well, I was gonna say, not only are all your 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:41.280 friends are on SVU, but your wife Amanda has been 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:41.840 on SVU. 1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:43.160 Have you seen her episode? 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:45.880 I have seen her episode. We were actually talking about 1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:48.280 it when I told her I was doing this podcast 1:20:48.280 --> 1:20:50.559 that was well SVU and she was like, she was like, 1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:51.800 I did this for you, and I'm like, I know 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:56.280 you did this for you, Like Michael O'Keefe played your father. 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.680 No, and we found Michael O'Keeffe as one of our 1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:01.360 first guests on the podcast, and both of. 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:04.600 You guys, oh, that's very nice. I should hope you 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:08.559 had Michael on the Patent podcast because he literally there 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:12.320 was a rule that was put in place called the foul. 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:13.400 Did he tell you about this? 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:13.759 Yes? 1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:17.439 He told us, Okay, good, Yeah, Yeah. He should have 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:20.559 been like among the first guests you ever had because 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.160 he is mister lawn order. I think he's the only 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:25.720 person who has appeared on those shows as much as 1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:29.880 like Maloney or Marishka or you know or Sam or 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:34.360 any of the old school heavies. But yeah, yeah, I 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:36.559 love Michael. He's a great dude, he's a he's a 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:37.519 good friend family. 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:38.280 Yeah. 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:42.080 So so basically you did do you did do original 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:45.160 recipe and then you did this Criminal Intent all before 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:46.599 you did this view. So by the time you did 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:49.040 this view where they just like calling you in being 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:50.200 like we want you to do this part. 1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:54.360 Yeah, okay, Yeah, So Warren called me, Warren like called 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:57.320 me for SEU and said, like, you know, do you 1:21:57.360 --> 1:21:59.639 want to come in and play this part opposite Kelly? 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:03.400 And I was like, yeah, totally absolutely, and he was like, 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:04.720 I don't know, you know, it might come back and 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:06.360 might not. I'm not sure what the deal is going 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:08.879 to be with it whatever, And I was like okay, 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.760 So I agreed to come in and do it, and 1:22:13.680 --> 1:22:17.639 we had a blast shooting the first episode and they 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:20.760 sort of mentioned like, yeah, I think we'll probably do 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:25.280 this again. But I Warren and I from like from 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:28.120 the jump, from like my first day on set, we 1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:36.120 were in like a tiff, a little tussle about that hat. 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:38.799 That we have like three questions about the hat. 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:43.760 I'm sure you do. I had many as well. I 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:46.080 was like, I was like, Warren, why do I have 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:47.800 to wear this douche hat? And he was like, because 1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:50.559 you're a douche And I was like no, but can 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:52.120 I take it off in some of these scenes? And 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:54.439 he was like, no, you're a douche, so you wear 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:58.240 the douche hat. And I was like, bro, like, I'm 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:00.600 really unhappy with the douche hat. And it was like, 1:23:00.600 --> 1:23:03.680 I kind of don't care, Like I think it it 1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:06.920 has to be on all the time. And we had 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.840 a lot of fun of knocking it back and forth. 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:12.080 But I, you know, I sort of like a cringe 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:14.519 at the prospect of people going back and watching those 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:15.920 episodes of that hat. 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:17.519 That is so funny. 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:20.960 We literally have like in our list of questions, like so, uh, 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:22.840 you play a douchebag a bunch of times? 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:25.800 How do you like to? Because the hat really does 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:29.720 the layer. There were so many layers. 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:33.439 Yes, so many layers. I threatened to throw that hat 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:36.799 into the East River. There was a scene I think 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:38.440 we were shooting outside. 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:42.120 You were like walking her dog right by. 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:46.240 The room, walking her dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:49.040 and we we shot that like you know, like oh 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:51.439 dark hundred, so it was wick and cold, and I 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:58.759 remember threatening Warren like, if you think for a second 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:00.839 that you're going to have me back a second episode 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:02.640 and make me wear this hat, I'm going to go 1:24:02.680 --> 1:24:04.840 throw it in the river right now. And he was like, 1:24:04.880 --> 1:24:06.920 do you think we only bought one? 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.080 When you did come back that same season in the 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:12.680 Gridiron Soldier episode, I. 1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:14.000 Don't think you have the hat anymore? 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:14.400 Right? 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:15.280 Did you win the battle? 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:17.920 I eventually won the battle. Well, I think what ended 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:20.000 up happening is because there's a little bit of redemption 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:22.120 coming my way in that episode is that he felt 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:27.520 like if we kept the hat that I couldn't be redeemed. 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:30.840 Exactly impossible to guess redevable. 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:35.880 It is unforgivable. Absolutely, it is a blight upon humanity 1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:40.439 and all who wear it are cursed. But that's really 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:43.320 how I differentiate my douchey characters that I played throughout 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:47.600 my career is just different hats and invests. 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:50.000 Yeah, because I was just wondering, because you know, when 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:52.559 when we were finding out we were interviewing you, I 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:55.160 was like, oh, I remember him. I think I first 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:57.200 saw you in The Slap That was like the first 1:24:57.240 --> 1:24:58.040 thing I saw you in. 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:00.360 And your character is a little bit of a in 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:01.320 the Slap, right. 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:05.120 Yeah, for sure, he's not the most pleasant guy at 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:06.839 the beginning, right. Yeah. 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:08.840 So I was like, I was just wondering. I was like, yeah, 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:11.879 we got we got the slap guy. We got this character. 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:15.280 Like do you feel like you often get cast in 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:17.519 these juicy roles or like you're you're good at it? 1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:19.760 And like where do you get your inspiration from? Do 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:22.120 you know a lot of douches in your real life? Yeah, 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:28.120 if there's any names you can name, yeah, names, you know. 1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:32.360 It started to become like I started to get worried 1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:35.120 at a certain point where I was like, I was like, 1:25:35.160 --> 1:25:37.080 oh my god, is this how the world perceives me? 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:41.439 And I you know, I actually think weirdly that in 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:43.920 some strange way that it is the way that the 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:47.040 world kind of perceives me people who don't know me, 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:50.880 because like they've they they've seen you know a couple 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:53.960 of things that I've done, the Law and Orders and 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:56.720 the Slab and you know, in the early seasons in 1:25:56.760 --> 1:26:00.120 the newsroom, and you know, some of the movie and 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:04.080 stuff that I've done, and I very often in my 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:08.880 film career have been asked to play these sort of 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:14.160 shithead characters. And it's so funny because in my theater 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:18.400 career it's the exact opposite. 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.879 Like, oh, like the nice guy on stage. 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:23.639 Yeah, yeah, I Oh. So it was when I first 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:26.240 started doing film, it was like, Oh, what a welcome change, 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:29.559 Like I get to play these this, these shitty guys 1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:32.120 that I love making fun of because I grew up 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:33.800 around a lot of them. And then all of a 1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:39.160 sudden it became like, oh, I keep on getting cast 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:41.840 uh in film as this, and most people know me 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:44.960 outside of New York from filmwork. Obviously not a lot 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:47.680 of people have seen off Broadway theater outside of New 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:51.760 York City, and so in an even Broadway, you know, 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:55.360 and so like it. I was like, it's this weird 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.240 juxtaposition I've had to sort of negotiating throughout my career. 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:01.240 But yeah, I mean, I the inspiration for me for 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:04.000 these people comes from, you know, a lot of people 1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:06.479 that I grew up with, and then a shocking number 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:09.040 of people that I meet in the industry, particularly early on, 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:11.240 Like like I said, I came up in the late 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:13.400 nineties and early two thousands, sort of at the height 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:18.559 of the Weinstein power march, you know, when when you know, 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:22.080 Harvey used to like call an ex girlfriend of mine 1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:24.400 at like two or three o'clock in the morning and 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:27.720 leave like really gnarly messages on her voicemail, like her 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:30.000 answering machine. Like long enough ago to where we had 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:34.439 answering machines, right and you could hear them, and like, 1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:39.639 you know, there was like a whole way of behaving, 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:43.200 and there was a like a a generation of young 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:46.320 actor men that were coming up at that time who 1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:51.680 were sort of highlighted by these dudes who like, like 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:55.519 you know, come across there's like sweet, funny kind of guys, 1:27:55.520 --> 1:28:01.120 but we're actually sociopaths. And I just I really like 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:08.200 enjoyed watching those people and then taking the piss out 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:10.960 of them, at least in my own head by playing 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:13.680 these parts. And then you know, it was also just 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:16.880 sort of fun, like it's it's it's sometimes it's fun 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:18.600 to be the bad guys. Sometimes it's fun to be 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:22.439 the jackass that like nobody likes. Like I grew up 1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:25.960 in a small, very hyper religious conservative town in Texas, 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:30.599 and I, you know, am not that at all, you 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:33.040 know what I mean. Like I was a kid who 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.240 had like a big giant queue in terms of my 1:28:36.840 --> 1:28:40.080 sexuality in my teen years, you know, and was just like, 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:42.240 I don't know what I am. I like, you know, 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:47.480 I like pretty people, like there are a lot of them, 1:28:48.120 --> 1:28:50.720 and I don't care what they're plumbing says, like, you know. 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.479 And so it was just like it was a so 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:56.200 like I kind of come preloaded with this weird anti 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:58.960 authoritarianism streak, you know, where I just like I kind 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:01.040 of enjoy like poking people in the eye and making 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:03.720 them uncomfortable, particularly people from that world. And so like 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.720 there was a part of me that like, you know, 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:09.160 I don't know, I just get a kick out of it. 1:29:09.200 --> 1:29:11.400 I'm like, I'm acting like you and you don't even 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:11.760 know it. 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:14.920 Did you do theater in high school? 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:17.400 Oh yeah, for sure. I actually got kicked out of 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:18.639 my high school theater program. 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:20.240 What did you do? 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:26.799 Because our theater teacher wanted to do like these really 1:29:26.840 --> 1:29:31.080 intensely Christian plays And I was like that's bullshit, Like 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:33.200 we're in a public high school. We can't do it. 1:29:33.320 --> 1:29:35.320 Like that doesn't seem right to me at all. And 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:38.000 so like that started me off on the wrong track 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:44.479 with her pretty early on, and then I just, yeah, 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:49.479 I had a real hard time I had I didn't 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:53.080 respect her at all, and I had a really hard 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:56.120 time keep my mouth shut about it, you know. I mean, 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:57.880 like I said, I was like this weird little punk 1:29:57.960 --> 1:30:01.760 rock kid in conservative talent. So, like, you know, me 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:05.240 and my friends were big time theater rats, but we 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:09.280 didn't really We saw it for what it should be 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:11.920 instead of what it was actually being. And so there 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:15.360 was a number of us that actually got removed from 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:17.040 the program, which actually turned out to be the best 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:18.800 thing that could have happened to me. I went out 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:20.920 and started doing community theater I think the junior year 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.520 of high school, and then people who ran the community 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:27.800 theater in my little town were actually people. There's a 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:31.599 wonderful man named Randy Wilson who was the original conscious 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:36.040 pilot in Jesus Christ Superstar on Broadway Oh Wow, and 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.920 then played Jesus Christ in the national tour. And so 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:43.320 he was like this amazing professional theater rat and ended 1:30:43.400 --> 1:30:45.639 up in this small town because of like some family 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:49.880 drama and creating this community theater there, and it just 1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:53.640 became like this safe space, this this amazing kind of 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:56.960 songa of like little reprobates and miscreants, and we all 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:59.160 just you know, we're there with each other, and it 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:03.200 was like, you know, adults and young people, and we 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:05.680 were all like just a little bit off and we 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:09.320 were building sets and making theater together in this little 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:13.000 building that used to be a Mexican restaurant in downtown Brian, Texas. 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:16.519 And that's awesome. 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:17.600 It was really beautiful. 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:18.599 It's just such a. 1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:21.320 Nice like lesson in story to hear that you got 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.720 kicked out of this thing but then found a community 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:27.960 that you loved so much more and I got really lucky. 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:30.599 Yeah. I mean I think that people you like finds 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:33.320 like right, like, if you make yourself available to it, 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:37.120 I think, and you persevere, you will eventually like you'll 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:41.400 find your your equilibrium and you'll find your tribe so 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:41.880 to speak. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:45.479 Yeah, can I ask an ask you question again? 1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:47.920 Did you did you ever like watch the show? 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:53.520 Oh? Yeah, I love Maloney, I love Marisca, Like they're fantastic, 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:55.760 like truly truly amazing actors and so like, yeah, I 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:58.040 definitely watched the show. Like I said, you know, when 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.280 you go out of town, you like flip on and 1:32:00.520 --> 1:32:01.680 it's like makes you feel like you're home. 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:04.160 You can't ever not find it. It's always on the road. 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:07.479 And your first episode you were on, you were on 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:09.879 a Marishka Maloney season. 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:11.840 Yeah, although I think you may have been more. 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:13.439 Of an Iced Tea heavy episode when you were in 1:32:13.680 --> 1:32:16.840 that episode anchor where you're like a racist. Yeah, how 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.880 do you prep to be a child murderer? Yeah, when 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:21.679 you remember when you murdered all those kids. 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:26.240 Oh my god, that was a nice heavy episode. 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:28.120 And you called him a racial slur. 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:32.000 I did, which was one of the I gotta tell you, dude, 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:34.599 like in terms of days in your career, when you're 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:37.120 like you don't really know if you want to wake 1:32:37.200 --> 1:32:39.439 up in the morning and go to work, Like that day, 1:32:39.520 --> 1:32:42.200 I was definitely I can't believe I have to go 1:32:42.320 --> 1:32:46.960 in and say this to Iced Tea to his face. 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:50.479 Like I loved Iced Tea growing, you know what I mean, 1:32:50.520 --> 1:32:53.439 Like I still do. Yeah. I was a huge fan 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:56.000 of him as a musician, and I was like, I 1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:59.479 can't believe that I have to go in and say 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:02.639 this to him him, And like I wasn't sure how 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:04.680 I was gonna if it would be cool if I 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:06.639 went up to him and was like, dude, I'm so sorry, 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:08.600 you know what I mean, Like, I trust me, this 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:10.760 makes me so uncomfortable if I should just do it 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.599 or like what. And he was so generous and amazing 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:18.519 and gracious and wonderful about it. And then there's a 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:23.000 scene where he, uh he tackles me, like he stiff 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:26.559 arms me over a desk right before he arrests me. 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:33.040 And we ended up shooting that scene a lot, so 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:37.040 I feel like he he kept on asking for more takes, 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:40.160 so I sort of feel like he was really gracious 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.360 on the front side and definitely worked it out on 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:43.400 the backside of it. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:43.880 You know what I mean. 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:49.360 You did get like a razzle dazzle moment on the 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:50.400 stand with Barbara. 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:51.960 Barbara, I keep. 1:33:51.760 --> 1:33:55.479 Going over with the da and I was just wondering 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:59.519 how that court scene was and like getting drilled like that. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:05.280 It's fun. I love I love Raoul. We're old like 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:09.240 theater rat buddies. So like when I knew that we 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:12.040 were going to get to go, you know, have like 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:16.120 a good time back and forth. And Danny Pino too. 1:34:16.240 --> 1:34:19.360 You know, there was a in rapist Anonymous, there was 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:23.840 I got to do a scene with Danny, Yeah, who 1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:26.120 came into the meeting at the end, you know what 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:28.240 I mean and like sort of suss me out or whatever. 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.439 And like I I've known Danny for god at this point, 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:34.120 like twenty two years, and I've known Raoul for about 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:36.840 as long too, and so like you know, when you 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:40.560 get the opportunity to to like get up there and 1:34:40.560 --> 1:34:42.160 and have a good time with your buddies and you've 1:34:42.200 --> 1:34:44.120 known for a long time and who's work you respect, 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:47.439 and there's just this sort of like fun thing that 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:50.120 happens where it's like you go like ah, yeah, man, 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.679 we're gonna we're gonna smack the ball back and forth, 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:56.280 you know, and these these people in Des Moines ain't 1:34:56.320 --> 1:35:00.280 ready you know, ay ready, Like this is this is 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:02.559 what we do down on Bleaker Street. This is you know, 1:35:02.640 --> 1:35:05.240 here we go, this is how this is how we do. 1:35:05.439 --> 1:35:07.479 And like and you get to have a good time 1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:11.080 with it, man, Like yeah, I really enjoyed that. Like 1:35:11.200 --> 1:35:13.120 I said, I love Rebel, I respect the hell out 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.160 of it. So we we had a good song with 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:17.759 that for sure. You know, it's a long order stand scene, 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:21.400 like you know, it's, uh, that's a pretty cool thing 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:23.160 to get to do. It's a it's a it's a 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:25.920 it's you know, I feel like it's like an actor 1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:27.960 merit badge. You know, not only did you get them 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:30.479 get the episode, but you've got a court scene. Yeah, 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:33.360 like you got to be on the stand, Like that's 1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:33.720 the look. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:37.719 You got to be in that box. Yeah, that's so cool. 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:41.240 Well, and like so many of them around to you 1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:43.439 know what I mean. Like I've known Warren as a 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:46.080 playwright for forever, and I mean one of the great 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:51.720 My first my first Law and Order of the franchise 1:35:51.800 --> 1:35:55.360 was with was in the original recipe, and it looked 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:59.560 like I was gonna shoot Sam Waterston in that episode. 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:02.559 There was there was a scene where like we're on 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:04.760 the courthouse steps and I pull out a gun and 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:07.639 like shoot the guy who's standing next to Sam. And 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:10.519 when Sam and I started working together on the newsroom, 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:12.439 like I came up to him and was like, hey, man, 1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:14.679 I don't know if you remember, but like a billion 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.400 years ago, I played this part on Law and Order 1:36:17.439 --> 1:36:20.160 and you know I had to shoot you on the 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.759 courthouse or almost shoot you on the courthouse steps or whatever. 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:26.320 And Sam was like I was on that show forever 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:29.160 I'm so sorry. You'll have to forgive me. But I don't. 1:36:30.560 --> 1:36:34.800 I don't. I don't remember you at all. I'm like, oh, 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:42.760 it's okay, I get it, but yeah, I and then 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:44.600 get you know, years and years later. To get to 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:49.240 work with Sam like as as sort of compatriots on 1:36:49.280 --> 1:36:51.000 the newsroom was a really cool thing. We got to 1:36:51.000 --> 1:36:53.120 be really close buddies after that, which is nice. 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:59.479 So our listeners really our horny for Raoul and Danny 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:02.639 and so do you have any like stories or tidbits 1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:05.559 from set or from life that you think they would 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:06.280 really love to hear? 1:37:07.400 --> 1:37:14.200 Oh my god, Raoul did a play on Broadway with 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:19.000 Jeremy Piven, and Jeremy left the show. 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:20.840 Was that speed the plow? 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:24.200 Yeah, I just sort of left them hanging, you know 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:25.960 what I mean, like in the middle of the run 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.120 because he got murcury repeats, Yeah. 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.120 He got mercury poisoning from too much sushi. 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:34.240 I'm eating too much sushi, right, And so we were 1:37:34.240 --> 1:37:37.720 doing a show on Broadway at the same time, me 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:42.960 and Stephen Pasquale and Hyperparabo, and we're in Ireland. We're 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:44.600 doing a show on Broadway at the same time. And 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.519 after our shows we were having people like guest artists 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:49.400 come in and like lead these q and as. And 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:52.640 then and Raoul came in one night to do our 1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:55.639 guest Q and A and we bought him like four 1:37:55.680 --> 1:38:00.960 hundred dollars for this sushi tod to sit and eat 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:03.280 at the as we were doing our Q and A. 1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:04.240 It was pretty fun. 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:06.000 That is really funny. 1:38:06.680 --> 1:38:08.920 Now the show just closes because no one is in 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:11.439 and everyone has had sushi poisoning. 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:15.959 Exactly and weirdly, like none of us got mercury poisoning. 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:19.720 We were all total with them. But yeah, I mean, 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:22.680 you know, like I said, like I I've had the 1:38:22.680 --> 1:38:25.439 great experience of knowing these people as friends for a 1:38:25.520 --> 1:38:29.280 long long time and his colleagues, and like Raoul is 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:32.519 one of those people that you know, he makes you like. 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.760 Raoul and I were actually nominated against each other for 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:38.679 Tony Awards one year. Oh really yeah, me and Raoul 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:46.639 and James Gandelfini and Jeff Daniels wow uh and then 1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:50.880 the guy who won, Jeffrey Rush, and so like we 1:38:51.040 --> 1:38:53.559 got to spend like this whole weird like Theater Awards 1:38:53.560 --> 1:38:55.000 season together. 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:56.479 And a good bunch. 1:38:57.280 --> 1:38:58.240 It was ridiculous. 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:01.160 Yeah, it was a grownd to be amongst for sure. 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.479 It was ridiculous. Yeah, we got to spend a lot 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:05.759 of quality time together with those guys. Except for Jeffrey, 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:08.080 he was like really aloof and didn't hang out with anybody, 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:11.840 But like Jimmy Candelfini and jeff and Rowell and I like, 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:13.559 we got to know each other pretty well hanging out 1:39:13.600 --> 1:39:16.759 and doing all these functions and events and stuff. Roll 1:39:16.840 --> 1:39:18.320 is one of those guys that, like, he's one of 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:20.439 those actors that I will He's one of those guys 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:22.400 that makes me leave out of my chair at the 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:24.200 end of a show. You know, I just think I 1:39:24.200 --> 1:39:25.799 think he's really really special. 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:28.360 Yeah, we get sent a lot of clips of him 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:29.480 from our listeners. 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:30.280 They love him. 1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.879 They send us clips of him, like from a company 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:38.280 I think, and like all kinds of that's like, you know, 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:42.000 raises the hairs on your arms kind of performances. 1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:47.320 Now, he's he's pretty he's pretty ridiculous, as your listeners know. 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:50.679 He's you know, for the people on this side of it, 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:52.680 it's sort of like, okay, all right, come on, ask 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:55.439 like save something for the rest of us, Like you know, 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.360 you can't like you can't be that good looking, have 1:39:58.520 --> 1:40:01.240 that cool of a name, and be that talented in 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:05.200 so many factss of your life all at the same time. 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:07.479 It's kind of bullshit, like, could you at least be 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:10.599 like Engelbert Home have just like a shitty name or 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:14.719 like something like some sort of kryptonite. But he doesn't 1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:15.160 seem to. 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:20.519 Have any Wow, he was awesome. 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:22.439 He's so cool. 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:23.320 I love him well. 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:25.680 I love that he knew the hat was terrible, you know, 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:28.040 like immediately, we didn't even have to bring it up. 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:32.320 Yeah, and we did not leave us thing because we 1:40:32.320 --> 1:40:34.519 don't have the dates or like know exactly what's up. 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:37.479 But he is in an upcoming production of a play 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:41.200 that's breaking kind of genre boundaries of what a plate 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:46.800 eve and is with Judith Light SV Royalty. So look 1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:50.040 out for something with Judith Light in the near future, 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:51.759 which I would be excited about. 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:54.760 I missed the theater. Baby. Yeah, oh my gosh, if 1:40:54.760 --> 1:40:56.280 it comes to oh, if it's in a light, let's 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:58.160 know it. Let's we hear about it. Yeah, we'll follow 1:40:58.240 --> 1:40:59.320 him on social. 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:02.240 And before we get into our post mortem, I know 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:04.960 that I referenced the X Factor and I meant to 1:41:05.000 --> 1:41:08.040 say the voice please don't send me a bunch of 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:10.160 pictures of Adam Levine turning around in a chair to 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:10.880 let me know that I. 1:41:10.840 --> 1:41:12.920 Was talking about the wrong show. I got it, I know. 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:16.040 Oh, there was a funny meme about you know, Gwen 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:18.479 Stefani and Blake Shelton. Yeah, I got married, and it 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:21.040 was like, Gwen Stefani is the perfect example of an 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:24.080 OC girl. She was a punk ska girl goddess and 1:41:24.080 --> 1:41:26.760 then ended up marrying the most conservative, boring white man 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:31.040 she could find named Blake. And I thought that was 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:32.760 a pretty funny tweet. I have to send it to 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:35.960 our friend Blair, our OC girl. Yeah she is an 1:41:36.000 --> 1:41:36.800 OC lady. 1:41:36.840 --> 1:41:42.080 That's so funny. But yeah, Gwen was like everything and 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:43.599 now she's Oh my god. 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:46.200 I was obsessed with her, so no doubt in high 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.360 school was like my soundtrack. 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:49.800 I mean, you know you're. 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:52.479 A badass when you can make braces be a trend, 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:56.519 you know, Like I was begging for braces. I also 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:59.800 begged for eyeglasses, and I wanted crutches, and I was 1:41:59.840 --> 1:42:02.320 so happy to get crutch it like it's sick. I 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.720 bet there's some sort of study about this or other 1:42:04.800 --> 1:42:06.920 kids have to have really, tell me. 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:09.880 I used fake crutches for three days. 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:11.479 I got crutches, I didn't need them, and I wore 1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:12.639 them to school for three days. 1:42:12.880 --> 1:42:16.400 Yeah. I think it's just the attention. When someone has crutches, 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:17.920 You're like, look at. 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:21.080 Me, Like I know, I was jealous of people with 1:42:21.120 --> 1:42:22.840 their pink casts. 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:25.120 Oh yeah, I never I've never knocked on wood, but 1:42:25.520 --> 1:42:29.400 one wood. Well, let's talk. Let's do post mortem. What 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:30.839 did we learn from this episode? 1:42:30.960 --> 1:42:33.400 I mean, like, if someone's wearing a douche hat, guess 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:34.200 what they're a douche. 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:36.640 Yeah, you don't have to get to know them. You 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:38.800 can judge a book by its cover. You can judge 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:41.040 a douche by its hat. Yeah, I guess. 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:44.080 I mean, like we've said before, like we've said in 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:46.519 the episode, I feel like we always believe women, but 1:42:46.920 --> 1:42:50.520 that doesn't mean that there's not an occasional Jody. 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:51.160 Arius out there. 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:54.360 And the thing is to think about this woman, not Jody. 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.200 I'm not I don't I don't want to defend real crime, 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:00.640 but in the episode, we also don't know what like 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.000 this chick's been through, you know what I mean, Like 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:05.320 who knows if she was abused as a young person, 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:07.879 and this is what happens. 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:10.919 Yeah, don't get blow jobs on a ledge. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:14.160 I yeah, even if someone is your what like, you 1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:17.320 feel committed and fully trusting and they haven't threatened you 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:18.280 and tried to. 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:19.200 Destroy your life. 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:23.560 Just no, BJ's no fucking no nothing by alledge. 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:24.720 Let's do that. 1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:28.479 No ledge fucks, no ledge fucks for sure, that's a 1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:29.280 little bit too. 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:29.840 Edgy for me. 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:30.439 I would not. 1:43:30.880 --> 1:43:34.920 I also learned that there's leftover jiz in your dick 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:35.720 after you come. 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:36.880 That was me. 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:40.160 Yeah, better pee and clear that shit out. That's probably 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:41.960 how guys get UTI's or something. 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:44.479 I don't know. I used to have a joke about 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:47.040 com dripping out and you running to the bathroom, but 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:48.719 I don't remember it fully. 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.599 I had a joke about hobbling to the bathroom after 1:43:51.600 --> 1:43:52.840 you have sex when you're the woman. 1:43:53.160 --> 1:43:54.920 Yeah, no, that's what I mean. I obviously didn't have 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:57.880 a dick hobbling a bit. Maybe would, Maybe I would. 1:43:59.840 --> 1:44:02.240 I know it was a personal experience joke. I was 1:44:02.280 --> 1:44:03.040 so excited. 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:06.519 I you know, sometimes when crowds are like too hip 1:44:06.520 --> 1:44:07.840 and cool, I was like, are they going to be 1:44:07.880 --> 1:44:08.200 into this? 1:44:08.280 --> 1:44:10.400 But they love my nine to eleven joke? And I'm like, oh, 1:44:10.479 --> 1:44:11.120 this is good. 1:44:11.680 --> 1:44:16.479 You know, this is for you listeners that you need 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.840 to see Lisa Tregger Live to get that nine to 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:22.200 eleven content. Backstage, everyone's like, the audience seems really likable. 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:22.800 You're gonna love it. 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:24.680 I go, yeah, no, I'm not likable. I'm like, I'm 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:29.559 not worried about them being likable, worried about me. Ah, 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:31.200 what else about this episode? 1:44:31.360 --> 1:44:31.639 Wrong? 1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:37.439 Yes, means like get a like. I guess what we've 1:44:37.520 --> 1:44:40.120 learned that we've known is that Rollins is a good 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:43.479 detective and in her job and a horrible detective in 1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:46.000 her life, like she cannot she does not have a 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:47.000 good picker for men. 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:50.120 Do you think Kelly Giddish knows how hated Amanda Rollins 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:53.240 is because the messages we get like I posted the 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:55.760 game this last week, but Kelly get her. 1:44:56.360 --> 1:44:59.599 Then there's Kelly Giddish fan accounts, so I'm sure she's like, 1:44:59.680 --> 1:45:01.679 you know, for every person that's like fuck you, there's 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:03.479 somebody that like screams at us when we don't know 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:04.200 the name of her dog. 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:08.200 So yeah, you know, yeah, I guess that's fame. 1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:08.679 Baby. 1:45:08.960 --> 1:45:11.200 I don't want to say, like, don't trust your sponsor, 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:15.439 but don't trust a guy that is only kind to 1:45:15.520 --> 1:45:16.840 women he wants to fuck. 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:21.360 Yeah, and note to women, I wouldn't trust a guy 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:25.639 that's only surrounding himself with women in an AA setting. 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:29.040 You know, he wouldn't help Danny Pino like he doesn't 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.559 want to help men, He just wants to help women. 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:33.720 But I bet he doesn't want to help women that 1:45:33.840 --> 1:45:35.240 he doesn't want to fuck. 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:38.479 To write, I'm sure of like a non conventionally attractive 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:40.000 woman went in and was like, can you help me, 1:45:40.000 --> 1:45:42.600 he'd be like, I'll load it up, babe, find another sponsor. 1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:46.120 Also, don't scream you're not my daddy at work to 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:47.040 your coworkers. 1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:55.679 I think that's good advice. Yeah, that's really embarrassing. That's 1:45:55.680 --> 1:45:58.200 a great. That's just a great. That's all over. That's 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:01.599 like cops not any yeah, any job. Yeah. 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:04.080 If I see and all your other detective friends are like, 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:07.280 this guy seems shady, maybe take a second moment, you know, 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:10.599 take a moment to be like, Okay, all my esteemed 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:12.320 colleagues don't like this guy. 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:13.080 Let's see what's that. 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:15.840 Yeah, And like, there's a reason why they tell you 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:17.759 not to date people in AA because when it doesn't 1:46:17.760 --> 1:46:20.200 work out, you end up ripping butts at a blackjack table, 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.920 Like you just need to work on your sobriety before you. 1:46:25.080 --> 1:46:28.240 I don't know, date, I don't know. I don't know. 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:30.280 Well, you're only doing this because of the movie twenty 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:32.680 eight Days, right, No, I've never even seen that, Are 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:33.160 you kidding? 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:35.479 We've talked about this, I think before too. It is 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:36.559 an awesome movie. 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:39.840 It's Sandra Bullock, she goes to rehabs star studies. 1:46:39.920 --> 1:46:41.439 Yeah, yeah, I know what it's about. 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:44.240 But yeah, but that's where I learned you shouldn't date 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:46.320 for a year, and Sex and the City, that episode 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:48.360 where she dates the guy too early and he kind 1:46:48.360 --> 1:46:49.839 of goes off the rails. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:53.240 Yeah, so I've only learned that rule from television. 1:46:53.720 --> 1:46:56.760 I also had a family member who dated somebody who 1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:59.479 was fresh out of rehab, and we were like, this 1:46:59.560 --> 1:47:02.519 might not be a good idea. And then I learned 1:47:02.560 --> 1:47:04.360 from other people like, oh yeah, they say an aa, 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:06.960 don't date for a year. So I learned that that 1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:09.920 that way. I learned that the hard way, yeah as well. 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:14.920 So just reiterating that as a post mortem finding for 1:47:14.960 --> 1:47:16.840 all of you and anything else. 1:47:16.960 --> 1:47:17.400 I don't know. 1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:20.720 No, I guess we learned that three whole wonder uh 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:25.960 passes all standards in practice, because you know, there were 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:27.240 lawyers discussing it. 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:30.120 They sent the script in. All the lawyers were sitting. 1:47:29.880 --> 1:47:32.280 Debating about it, and then they all were like, three 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:33.720 hole wonder stays. That's a lot. 1:47:33.800 --> 1:47:36.360 Yeah, which is? And I guess I guess. 1:47:36.360 --> 1:47:40.599 Also, if life gives you a murderous personality and you're 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:42.920 a murderer, you can still be a star in jail. 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:46.559 You know, you can still win American Idol prison edition 1:47:46.920 --> 1:47:51.320 and sell your work on eBay. And we'll be checking 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:52.960 back with Lisa in a couple of weeks after she's 1:47:52.960 --> 1:47:54.519 acquired her Jody Area sart. 1:47:56.080 --> 1:47:57.040 No, no, oh, yeah, did. 1:47:57.000 --> 1:47:59.360 We learn anything from the real crime? Destroy evidence? Your 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:00.880 fucking idiot. It's what are you doing. 1:48:00.960 --> 1:48:04.080 Stop with the trophies, stop with the camera, stop it destroying. 1:48:04.520 --> 1:48:08.240 It's ever really deleted? Yes? Oh these people? 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:12.400 I mean, have we talked about this, like if there 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:15.120 should be escape rooms but for committing crimes and see 1:48:15.120 --> 1:48:16.040 if you get away with it. 1:48:17.080 --> 1:48:19.280 We have talked about that. I still want to do it. 1:48:19.360 --> 1:48:20.519 That's your shark tank idea. 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:20.800 Think. 1:48:21.320 --> 1:48:23.719 Yeah, we've also learned that unfortunately, if a crime involves 1:48:23.760 --> 1:48:25.240 like a hot young woman, the crime is going to 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:26.479 be named after the hot young woman. 1:48:26.520 --> 1:48:28.000 It's not going to be named after the victim. 1:48:28.120 --> 1:48:32.200 Unfortunately, Travis Alexander's name is not as popular as Jodi Arius, 1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:34.599 and I think that's just because he was murdered by 1:48:34.600 --> 1:48:36.519 somebody who was considered hot. 1:48:36.760 --> 1:48:41.080 But it must be really hard for victims' families to 1:48:41.160 --> 1:48:46.680 see their killers get fame and notoriety and attention and 1:48:46.720 --> 1:48:51.439 magazine covers, and I can't really imagine that heartache, right, 1:48:51.520 --> 1:48:56.080 And because she was also like particularly disrespectful by trying 1:48:56.120 --> 1:48:59.200 to paint him as a pedophile, like in death, Like 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:02.760 you know, that's really horrible. So she not only took 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:05.000 him off the earth but also tried to like drag his. 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:05.639 Name through the MUDs. 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:08.519 I'm sure his family feels a very specific way about her. 1:49:09.800 --> 1:49:14.040 But in general, don't kill people. But yeah, yeah, that's 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:15.960 the lesson we learned. Don't kill people. 1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:17.040 Don't kill people. 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:17.760 Yeah. 1:49:18.520 --> 1:49:20.680 Eight months into the pod, finally we're like. 1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:22.439 You know what we're not going to We're like, you 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:24.280 know how you could avoid all this evidence? 1:49:24.280 --> 1:49:26.519 Shit, don't kill anyone, all right. 1:49:26.439 --> 1:49:29.760 Thank you for listening, and Kara where are we going 1:49:29.840 --> 1:49:31.640 to try to help the community. What do we have 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:33.400 for our Sister Peg segment? 1:49:33.680 --> 1:49:36.599 Yeah, so okay, So for this week's what would Sister 1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:39.080 Peg Do? Which is our weekly segment where we give 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:43.160 you resources or organizations that can help you learn more 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:45.679 about what we talked about in today's episode, we decided 1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:49.560 to highlight this week Women for Sobriety. It's womenfo Sobriety 1:49:49.600 --> 1:49:53.519 dot org. It's a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping women 1:49:53.560 --> 1:49:56.960 discover a happy new life and recovery from substance use disorders. 1:49:57.640 --> 1:50:01.680 They have been around since nineteen seventy five. Women for 1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:07.000 Sobriety has certified facilitators leading support groups online and in person, 1:50:07.120 --> 1:50:09.759 as well as phone volunteers available for one on one support. 1:50:10.080 --> 1:50:14.479 So anyone that's looking for help in their in their 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:19.880 recovery please check out womenfor Sobriety dot org and all 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:22.120 expressions of female identity are welcome. 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:23.639 Thank you for that, Kara. 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:29.320 And next week's episode we will be doing Rooftop season three, 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:34.240 episode four. They are on Hulu. Hopefully they didn't fuck 1:50:34.320 --> 1:50:38.599 up the numbers this week. 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