Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands? If do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,
Speaker 1: welcome to the back tail Cast. You're listening to the
Speaker 1: back tail Cast. This is our podcast about movies and
Speaker 1: women in them. My name's Jamie, my name is Caitlin.
Speaker 1: This is our podcast called the back tel Cast, which
Speaker 1: is our podcast. What is this the groundhog Day episode?
Speaker 1: What's it about women in the movies that they're in,
Speaker 1: specifically how those movies portray the female characters, and how
Speaker 1: it's often not very good, almost always bad. Yeah, breaking
Speaker 1: news quick at the at the top of the episode.
Speaker 1: We have heard from Alfred Molina today, I you can
Speaker 1: attest called you crime weeping in my garage, which is
Speaker 1: where I fled to. I just read into my garage
Speaker 1: and called you and Alfred Milena must and and not
Speaker 1: to call him out, but he must search his own
Speaker 1: name regularly on Twitter dot com. Because you did not
Speaker 1: mention him, You did not at him. He was not tagged,
Speaker 1: He was not tagged in any way, and he certainly
Speaker 1: does not follow me on Twitter dot com, so he
Speaker 1: must have found it. I believe what I said was
Speaker 1: that I got so distracted by thinking about how Kris
Speaker 1: Nooth is the poor man's Alfred Molina that I walked
Speaker 1: into traffic, which is true. I did that this morning
Speaker 1: because I've been watching The Good Wife and I hate it,
Speaker 1: but I keep watching it. But Alvia Millana found that
Speaker 1: quoted it was extremely humble. Wanted to give chrisnos his due,
Speaker 1: which like, why bother? But whatever? Uh? And and now
Speaker 1: he alleges that he will come on this podcast. So
Speaker 1: after what a full year, this is the closest we've gotten,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to let it go right. We
Speaker 1: will stop at nothing to get alphad Milina on this podcast.
Speaker 1: We know he's nearby, We'll do it. We basically recording
Speaker 1: this on August seventeen. The episode won't come up for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after this. By the time it
Speaker 1: comes out, he might have probably would have divorced his wife,
Speaker 1: will be fully. I realized recently it's my dream to
Speaker 1: have step children who are older than me and hate me.
Speaker 1: And I think that marrying alph Molina is going to
Speaker 1: be an amazing shortcut to achieving net for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyways, asked the breaking news will keep you posted.
Speaker 1: As of August seventeenth, I'm still flying high and crying
Speaker 1: about it, indeed bringing it back to the cast. Hey,
Speaker 1: we should mention what the what this? Even? What is Bechtel? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a test. It requires it to women have to
Speaker 1: talk to each other in a movie. They have to
Speaker 1: have names and their conversation has to be about something
Speaker 1: that's not a man. So we will in with this
Speaker 1: movie that we're talking about later on to see if
Speaker 1: it passes the backdel test. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: we should introduce our terrific guests. He is a hilarious comedian.
Speaker 1: He has a half hour coming out on Comedy Central
Speaker 1: and his first album coming out in October. Somon, Georgia,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thanks for being okay with me
Speaker 1: being late. That's fine. One of us is late almost
Speaker 1: every Oh okay, I've been so late that I've missed
Speaker 1: the episode. It's all good. So we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about Greece too. So why did you pick this movie?
Speaker 1: What's your relationship to it? When did you first see it?
Speaker 1: It is one of those movies that I think is
Speaker 1: in the original. I think I watched it in on
Speaker 1: like TBS or t n T because it came out
Speaker 1: in what eight two? Yeah, yeah, so I was like
Speaker 1: a young kid, and I think I watched Greece before it,
Speaker 1: and then I just like, I get it. But then
Speaker 1: I saw the second I was like this, this is
Speaker 1: what good movies are. I probably watched it plus times.
Speaker 1: It's one of those ones that's always always always on TV,
Speaker 1: just like the really bad TNT edit of Kill Bill
Speaker 1: that's always on TV that I love, or I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of other movies they're always on Basic Cable
Speaker 1: for some weeks. Back to the Future is always on
Speaker 1: not as much as you think. The Fugitive. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that movie. It's one of the few movies where
Speaker 1: wherever it starts, I will sit down and watch it,
Speaker 1: like Cheap to License, because there's like five movies that
Speaker 1: are always on television no matter what. And Heat is
Speaker 1: another one which is very weird because this is a
Speaker 1: very long movie. Yeah, it's it's forever long. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: Jamie want to do for Seagrease to today same. In fact,
Speaker 1: I thought I had seen the first one all the
Speaker 1: way through apparently I have not, because I watched it
Speaker 1: yesterday and I do not remember the second half of
Speaker 1: it at all. So I had not seen that entire
Speaker 1: first one until yesterday, and I gotta be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't really like it. I think, yeah, I like it
Speaker 1: up until a certain point, right up to Stoker Channing's
Speaker 1: abortion song, and then after that, I'm like, it's hard
Speaker 1: to stay on board after that, the first crease, I'm
Speaker 1: like to like, I've seen it a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: and I was like, did it for like Summer Stock
Speaker 1: theater and like all this, Like it's man, it's an
Speaker 1: exhausting show with a with a deeply questionable message. I
Speaker 1: do think that the message is the same in Greece too,
Speaker 1: but it's like flipped in a way that I like
Speaker 1: way better. But it also wasn't like like when Sandy
Speaker 1: churn at the end, there was that was like out
Speaker 1: of nowhere right right, There was no no need for
Speaker 1: that to happen at all. He was already on board, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I wear leather jackets of smoke
Speaker 1: cigarettes and he's like, now even better. The transformation takes
Speaker 1: place for most I mean, like a good hour there's
Speaker 1: a lot of motorcycle learning and Greece to Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a really I really liked it. I was riveted.
Speaker 1: I had a fun time watching it. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: Like it's a great deal more than the original and
Speaker 1: the first one. Well, it made the Pink Ladies the star,
Speaker 1: which I think is the better. And also, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about leading men, Max Caufield versus John Travolta, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking going Caufield. Yeah, this felt like Greece too. Felt
Speaker 1: just felt like a like a really good rewriter the
Speaker 1: first Yeah, like it's just a better version. It felt
Speaker 1: like a later draft that was like what if we
Speaker 1: just make this whole thing better? And yeah, but I
Speaker 1: do love though that. Basically, this movie is about a
Speaker 1: woman not liking a very handsome British man because he
Speaker 1: doesn't wear leather jacket's un nerd. He's such a nerd
Speaker 1: because he's British. But he's also like she's also doesn't
Speaker 1: like the toughest boy in school. She's also done with him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess she just needed a combination. She needed a
Speaker 1: sensitive guy who wears leather jackets. That's all she wanted,
Speaker 1: and she was not lying because the second one came around,
Speaker 1: she got into his motorcycle. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: care what your face is. I was really hoping from more.
Speaker 1: I was really hoping for a more dramatic Fantom of
Speaker 1: the Opera style room. And this is the weird scene
Speaker 1: at the end with the Grecian pool. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like high school is a big, big float where he
Speaker 1: comes in. I was like, oh my god. I wanted
Speaker 1: her to That's maybe my only grip of this movie.
Speaker 1: I wanted her to take off his helmet or his
Speaker 1: not even his helmet. It's his Fantom of the Opera
Speaker 1: mass but he's wearing. But also, how great would it
Speaker 1: be to just have sex with somebody wearing a helmet
Speaker 1: and never seen I've been married to the same man
Speaker 1: who has been wearing a scuba helmet for twelve years,
Speaker 1: and we're very happy. I know. I've been married to
Speaker 1: v from V for Vendella as I said a single
Speaker 1: word to me, and I'm having a great time. All
Speaker 1: of these people we just described are better at hiding
Speaker 1: her face. In the Phantom of the app you let
Speaker 1: it out very quickly, yes, and it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: Gerard Butler with some sort of allergic reaction happening on
Speaker 1: one alp of his face. Well, I think that's a
Speaker 1: great transition to the recap of Greece too. So the
Speaker 1: story is about Stephanie. She's sort of the lead of
Speaker 1: the Pink Ladies. This kind of click. At Lidel High School,
Speaker 1: Stephanie had been dating the leader of the tea Birds.
Speaker 1: Is that what they called the tea birds? His name
Speaker 1: is Johnny, And she's like, you know what, I'm over.
Speaker 1: We're over. I'm single. Now I'm done. Yeah. Then who
Speaker 1: shows up but Michael Carrington, a British man whose cousins
Speaker 1: with Sandy Olivia Newton. John's character for throw a details.
Speaker 1: I also like that he spends a whole movie speaking
Speaker 1: in a British accent. But Sandy was Australian. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess there can be interconf Australia. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In any case, it's confusing their relationship. But he shows
Speaker 1: up and he's handsome to boot and he takes an
Speaker 1: interest in Stephanie. But she's like, you don't wear enough
Speaker 1: leather jackets, you don't have enough motorcycles, so hard pass.
Speaker 1: So he's like, well, I'm going to have to win
Speaker 1: her over somehow. So he starts saving up money. He's
Speaker 1: writing essays for the other t bird guys, buys a motorcycle,
Speaker 1: gets a leather jacket, gets some goggles, turns into this
Speaker 1: mystery man. Then Stephanie was like, oh my other jacket goggles,
Speaker 1: sign me up. So she just like hops on the
Speaker 1: back of his motorcycle. They have a kiss, a little smooch,
Speaker 1: and then at one point in the movie there's he's
Speaker 1: like other leather jacket wearing guys from I think another school,
Speaker 1: and they show up. Yeah they're not the Teabers, are
Speaker 1: just another group that seems similar to the Teabirds. They
Speaker 1: look and behave identity. They did the same thing in
Speaker 1: the first movie, right right right, Yeah, guys called crater
Speaker 1: Face a lot. So they show up, and then the
Speaker 1: tea Birds start getting wise to Michael, whose identity still
Speaker 1: remains unknown, and they're like, who's this other who's this
Speaker 1: mystery guy? None of us like him, so they all
Speaker 1: chase him and he jumps over this ravine, I guess,
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks he dies. So then Stephanie's sad and
Speaker 1: she's like, well no, And then there's a everyone's gearing
Speaker 1: up for this talent show and then he shows up
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not dead, and then they are
Speaker 1: in love. The end the talent show is okay, help
Speaker 1: me out here, because there are the three spiffy young
Speaker 1: men who are good at singing. Several times, then at
Speaker 1: the end, the Tea Birds are like, we're going to
Speaker 1: take their jackets, which is where they hid their talent,
Speaker 1: because then the Tea Birds go on stage and suddenly
Speaker 1: they can sing and they're really good. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they kidnapped the sweet little spiffy boys. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: Jesus and then Technicolor dream Coat? Is that what's very good? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's all the same to clean together. No, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand by Jesus and Detecticolor dream Coat. Jesus was not
Speaker 1: stylish from what I've seen. Judas, however, if we were
Speaker 1: to judge from his first number in j C Superstar,
Speaker 1: extremely stylish. I've been trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get that outfit for myself for years. It's like a
Speaker 1: two piece orange tied eye. It's great, You're going to
Speaker 1: have to make it. Yeah, I think, yes, that's what
Speaker 1: it's so good. Anyways, what are we talking about? The
Speaker 1: spiffy boys. But I think the most important part of
Speaker 1: this movie that we gloss over was the return of
Speaker 1: a D. D. Con as Frenchie, which I think is
Speaker 1: so does she reroll back in school to learn chemistry
Speaker 1: so she can like develop skincare products? Not how high
Speaker 1: school works. You don't go back for one class the best, Like,
Speaker 1: I never friend's life is my favorite life because it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. The fact that her character just
Speaker 1: leaves school and becomes a beauty school dropout has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the first movie. Yeah, it's I like
Speaker 1: the fact that freend she just shows up and you're like,
Speaker 1: here's her side story and you need to know it,
Speaker 1: and it will not make any sense to anyone. How
Speaker 1: much time has passed between the two movies. I know
Speaker 1: it's like four years between the movies were released, but
Speaker 1: like narratively two okay only two years. She was a senior,
Speaker 1: so she she didn't graduate, So I think she just
Speaker 1: came back for her senior year to graduate, and I
Speaker 1: think she's just going to go on to another school.
Speaker 1: I have no idea exactly what how the world of
Speaker 1: cosmetics work, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, every scene d D cons and is so
Speaker 1: because everyone in this movie is thirty, but she looks
Speaker 1: thirty and so. And then there's that scene where she's
Speaker 1: like working at her side job and it's like, I
Speaker 1: it's so unclear, and then she says several she's like,
Speaker 1: Stephanie is one of my best friends, but they've never
Speaker 1: seen him hang out, like are you lying? It's just
Speaker 1: like a Pink Ladies thing. But she she sort of
Speaker 1: almost plays like an oracle kind of like faith but
Speaker 1: like not giving any like solid advice, just like this
Speaker 1: is what's happening. She's like, well, he you're not a
Speaker 1: tea birds. You can't even look at Stephanie. She really
Speaker 1: just gives exposition from the previous movie, right, like she
Speaker 1: doesn't push the platford really like does she. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's just like, well, this is how the Pink Ladies
Speaker 1: and the Tea Birds work, and if you don't know
Speaker 1: that then and then she just like you know, but
Speaker 1: she also looks like she's not also that's not how
Speaker 1: it works. When she went to school there like she
Speaker 1: saw that like a shift in that power dynamic. And
Speaker 1: then she's all of a a sudden, She's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to reinforce it for this young boy. It used
Speaker 1: to be this way. I changed a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it's going to stay this way again. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go to shining time station. You know, she's living in
Speaker 1: the past. What else do you expect she is, She's
Speaker 1: back in high school. She's the person coming back to
Speaker 1: the frat house. It's just like, I want to see
Speaker 1: her like thirty years later all strangers with Candy going
Speaker 1: back to high school as like a forty seven year old.
Speaker 1: I want to see that sequel Grease three. Baby. She's
Speaker 1: some sort of very strange feedback, like me to get
Speaker 1: my ap English course because I'm going to become a poet.
Speaker 1: She's going to high school, she's only taking a cover class.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't And then she's in That's like the
Speaker 1: one scene she is in with with Stephanie is when
Speaker 1: all the pink ladies that are always together coming and
Speaker 1: they see Frenchie, but they still kind of make fun
Speaker 1: of her a little bit, like it's confusing. They're kind
Speaker 1: of mean to each other, all the pink ladies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one gets slut shamed by another one and didn't care
Speaker 1: much for that. She's like, you'd full around with anyone.
Speaker 1: And they're also mean to those twin cheerleader, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're mean girls. Let's keep reinforcing the stereotype. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: who do we have female character wise? We've got Stephanie.
Speaker 1: That's Michelle Fifer and then her other pink ladies, I
Speaker 1: think our poulette. There's Rhonda, I think when more more
Speaker 1: whose name I didn't ever care. Oh right, Sharon's the
Speaker 1: one who's backed into the bunker. Right, Oh, gets like
Speaker 1: manipulated into sex. Yeah, I'm glad that she doesn't or
Speaker 1: like nothing happens and they don't go through with it,
Speaker 1: because otherwise that would have been horrific. Yeah, that seemed
Speaker 1: in age very well. Didn't And also, like a lot
Speaker 1: of scenes in this movie have no like if you
Speaker 1: take that scene out the movies unchanged, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a musical number. That's what both both Greeces are like
Speaker 1: that you can take an entire thing out and you're like,
Speaker 1: this has nothing. Oh, this is the same because, especially
Speaker 1: in the first Greece, you could go from the first
Speaker 1: moment to the last moment and it's pretty much the
Speaker 1: whole story is like, she's not like the other girls,
Speaker 1: just kidding she is. The movie is sober. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so the other there's Dolores, which is I think Paul.
Speaker 1: It's younger sister. She's the one who's like, I read
Speaker 1: a skateboard, I'm not old enough to drive. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: and then we've got French you. We've got a few
Speaker 1: teachers and school administrators like miss Mason. Everyone makes fun
Speaker 1: of her hair slash compliment it. Mr Spears. Mr Spears,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with him? At the end, he walks into
Speaker 1: a pool. I do love the like both movies at
Speaker 1: the same situation, just this airhead school administrator that doesn't
Speaker 1: know Yeah, I think, yeah, it's Ms ms McGee and
Speaker 1: Blanche Like they're this little duo of like clueless. However,
Speaker 1: I do love um. It is an eighties trope that
Speaker 1: that I wish would return. Is Paul. That's younger sister,
Speaker 1: the tough little girl that's there for no other reason
Speaker 1: but to just show up and be like I'm fucking tough,
Speaker 1: and it just disappears. Well there's pops up again. At
Speaker 1: the end You're like, oh, yeah, right, you were a
Speaker 1: person And it's like we have to break up. Well,
Speaker 1: the first time you meet her, she's talking to Michael
Speaker 1: and he's like, can I walk you home? She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't need a babysitter, and he's like, well, what
Speaker 1: if it's a date? And meanwhile, she's thirteen And that
Speaker 1: is gross, but I do it's a weird thing. But
Speaker 1: that Trope, I think it comes back every once in
Speaker 1: a while, and I love it so much. I think
Speaker 1: it should always come back because the last time he
Speaker 1: saw it was kick Ass and like the only time
Speaker 1: that Trope ever got their own movie, I believe was
Speaker 1: Curly Sue. Oh, I've never seen that. Just had the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole tough little girl who has to deal with
Speaker 1: a shitty world and she's had enough. Yeah, she's our
Speaker 1: little Punky. I like the Loris And if you don't
Speaker 1: like her, she's in it for five minutes. She's there
Speaker 1: to just ask some spice and then get up exactly.
Speaker 1: So the first point I wanted to make, and we
Speaker 1: already kind of touched on this. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: I didn't like the first Grease very much and why
Speaker 1: I liked this one a lot better is that the
Speaker 1: first one, the female lead, Sandy was very passive, like
Speaker 1: things were just sort of happening to her. She didn't
Speaker 1: really have any agent. She's spent most of the movie
Speaker 1: just like pining over Danny Zugo and then being like
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be with me or he's with
Speaker 1: another girl, and I'm stand and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do anything about it. And then in the end she
Speaker 1: basically changes everything about herself for no reason and it worked,
Speaker 1: and it worked. She got him even though she would
Speaker 1: have had him anyway, and besides, I love a man.
Speaker 1: Now she's doing what she had and I can control her.
Speaker 1: And then they fly away, so that is stupid. But
Speaker 1: then that m has shift with Greece to where Stephanie
Speaker 1: becomes the protagonist. She's got agency, we know what she wants,
Speaker 1: she very explicitly says it. And the dance number the
Speaker 1: best song of all the Grease movies. Cool Writer is
Speaker 1: so good. It is so good. It's funny how that
Speaker 1: song sort of ends. There's a lot of songs in
Speaker 1: this movie the end with like it's usually one person
Speaker 1: singing in and they'll just walk away and the song
Speaker 1: won't fade out as they're walking away by themselves. Talking
Speaker 1: about what they want, and you're just like this is
Speaker 1: this is like Michelle Fiber just like walks out of it.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to myself where I believe she keeps singing.
Speaker 1: So there's that moment where we're like, okay, we know
Speaker 1: at least what she wants, you know, as the audience,
Speaker 1: we have an understanding of what she's all about. And
Speaker 1: then there's another moment in the bowling Alley, I think
Speaker 1: where the bowling song the bowling song, and then Johnny's
Speaker 1: all like, I want my trophy, calling women literal trophies
Speaker 1: daughters having none of that. Eventually, oh wait does that
Speaker 1: who that is? The left? Yeah? Oh yeah wait she
Speaker 1: plays um is that? Yeah? I didn't know that? And
Speaker 1: it went and if you if you rewatch it with
Speaker 1: that her inflection, she's or less super talented. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: gets called a trophy, but she's like the second place
Speaker 1: or she like you're the runner up or the whatever,
Speaker 1: the best average and he's like what about first place?
Speaker 1: Best score and stuff. Is all like I'm not a trophy,
Speaker 1: but she never she's she's sort of as exact. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the hottest. I just don't want to date you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like, I ain't no one's trophy. I kiss who
Speaker 1: I want when I want, I'll kiss the next guy
Speaker 1: comes into, who happens to be hot British Michael. But
Speaker 1: the problem that so she has more agency than the
Speaker 1: female lead in the first movie Great. However, the problem
Speaker 1: for me is that everything is still like that song
Speaker 1: in that conversation. The whole story is still framed around
Speaker 1: like which guy she's going to end up with, so
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, still not the feminist masterpiece that
Speaker 1: we're hoping. However, it is based on her decision because
Speaker 1: she's still got Johnny being like I want you, I
Speaker 1: want you, and she's just like, no, I already told
Speaker 1: you we're through, and he keeps trying, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be with who I want, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be this mystery fanom of the Opera
Speaker 1: motorcycle guy. I love the Fan of the Opera. It
Speaker 1: never gets home except when he takes off his mask.
Speaker 1: He's extremely hot underneath and hotter than everyone else in
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm gonna start wearing a Fan of the
Speaker 1: Opera masks on dates and stuff, because then when you
Speaker 1: take it off. Guys are like, wow, no matter what's there,
Speaker 1: they'll be like cool, better than better than the mask. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're hotter than that mask you're just wearing. Johnny is
Speaker 1: weird because I watched the first one as well, and
Speaker 1: Johnny is like a less slightly less desirable Danny Zuka character,
Speaker 1: So I feel like they're almost commenting on that character
Speaker 1: and what a piece of shitty is. He's like basically
Speaker 1: the same character, but this time Stephanie's like, no, you're dumb,
Speaker 1: You're and like points out everything that is wrong with
Speaker 1: basically Danny z Yeah, and that is exactly what should
Speaker 1: be done Danny z piece of ship. With both of
Speaker 1: those characters, Danny Zuko and Johnny, they're just like dripping
Speaker 1: with toxic masculinity. And I feel like this movie does
Speaker 1: a little bit better job than the first one of
Speaker 1: being like, hey, maybe this isn't the best quality to
Speaker 1: have is a man? This movie like yeah, like frames
Speaker 1: it and kind of all the tea birds is like,
Speaker 1: that's not attractive and it's not something that will get
Speaker 1: you a girl friend. Except does Johnny end up with
Speaker 1: paul It? Does she end up accepting I think so.
Speaker 1: I watched it one and a half times, so I
Speaker 1: forget what happened, but I do think they end up together.
Speaker 1: And then I think a couple of the other pink
Speaker 1: ladies end up with the other. But they're you know,
Speaker 1: like secondary characters who are not very invested in. And
Speaker 1: there's a and there is a weird plot contrivance code
Speaker 1: that keeps coming up of like pink ladies can only
Speaker 1: date tea birds, and that's I feel like that's only
Speaker 1: brought up when there's virtually no other reason for Stephanie
Speaker 1: do not at least give Michael a chance. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't or I'll be assassinated or like whatever the
Speaker 1: weird how did that ever come about? Like, all right,
Speaker 1: you the pink ladies with the tea but will make
Speaker 1: a rule, were going date each other? What about a
Speaker 1: future people don't want to date each other? Well, they
Speaker 1: hear it out like they can sing a song about it,
Speaker 1: because I don't give a ship. Well, it's like the
Speaker 1: pirates code empired to the Caribbean, and towards the end
Speaker 1: they realize it's more like actual guidelines anyway, whatever you want.
Speaker 1: It's like they almost call out the fact that that's
Speaker 1: so fucking like because there's one scene where the pink
Speaker 1: ladies are like, you can only date a tabern till
Speaker 1: graduation anyways, and it's like two months before graduation. It's like,
Speaker 1: why would you what? I keep enforcing this. Also, the
Speaker 1: way that time passes in this movie is confusing, because
Speaker 1: it's the first day of school and they're like, time
Speaker 1: to start getting ready for the talent show in June
Speaker 1: September one, right, it's an important talent show. I've said
Speaker 1: that before those times I've walked into high school. It's
Speaker 1: like it's time to get ready for the talent show.
Speaker 1: We'll imagine how long it took to make those amazing
Speaker 1: costumes all the seasons, like some Adrian ship. It was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like my favorite one is like the one who's wearing
Speaker 1: a baseball glove on her head like that I didn't
Speaker 1: even catch that detail. You need to watch that whole scene.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's a ridiculous one. Like it's the
Speaker 1: same scene as the dance number in the first one
Speaker 1: where it's like no one, no one does this do they?
Speaker 1: Like is this a real school? I want to go
Speaker 1: to the school now because I want to see everything
Speaker 1: that every costume and girl of all seasons is the
Speaker 1: most incredible costume I've ever seen, including that. There's another
Speaker 1: one where Michelle Peiffer comes out, she has the most
Speaker 1: boring costume and then do what are derails the talent shop?
Speaker 1: But she's like wearing a white dress because of course,
Speaker 1: and then the girl behind her is wearing a dress
Speaker 1: that shaped like a cake and has fake legs popping.
Speaker 1: It's missed this whole thing, so I'll send you screenshot that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of costumes though, did you catch the part towards
Speaker 1: the beginning where Stephanie is wearing like short pants and
Speaker 1: then I think it's like ms McGee is like pants
Speaker 1: and then she's like, oh crap, and then she puts
Speaker 1: on a skirt. Is that because I guess pants were
Speaker 1: against the dress code or like women weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: wear pants? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I just wanted to confirmants.
Speaker 1: I think the rule probably if it's back then the
Speaker 1: rules wear skirt and your skirt can't be shorter than
Speaker 1: than yeah, or even longer. I would probably longer than yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is still this is the way they remind
Speaker 1: you what error this movie takes place and is very
Speaker 1: clumsy in a way I thought was fine where they
Speaker 1: would just be like as John F. Kennedy would say,
Speaker 1: he was still alive. Like its like before the lu out,
Speaker 1: the principal spews out this JFK quote and it's like
Speaker 1: and now for the lu out. But no, that was
Speaker 1: wearing pants at school was a big no no, right,
Speaker 1: so she why did she wear them? Just go in
Speaker 1: the first place them. She should wear pants whatever she
Speaker 1: wants to. But yeah, she's you don't change the rules
Speaker 1: by not breaking them. It's not permission. The rule of Stephanie.
Speaker 1: The Stephanie code data masked British guy who I think
Speaker 1: also does a fake American accent when he's doing his thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh yeah, so that no, because otherwise,
Speaker 1: like that would be a dead giveaway for who he is.
Speaker 1: So he's doing like a fake American. She full on
Speaker 1: makes out with him for like hours without being like,
Speaker 1: by the way, who are you know that? I got
Speaker 1: like on board, there's a version of my Like if
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to make out with a goggled
Speaker 1: man when I was sixteen, of course I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: hadn't do it, like I'll go outside if they get
Speaker 1: on the first motorcycle that pulls up, like if I
Speaker 1: start looking cool writer and a great human being, and
Speaker 1: how much shows up? And I'm just like, you know
Speaker 1: what this was meant to be? Oh? God? And then
Speaker 1: can we talk about the dream sequence? Sure? The dream sequence,
Speaker 1: it's I don't remember the dream Oh it's when Stephanie
Speaker 1: still thinks that Michael's dead or Cool Riders dead. And
Speaker 1: then she has that whole scene when she ruins the
Speaker 1: Talent Show, which like she ruins the Talent Show by
Speaker 1: being in the chorus and not knowing the words, but anyways,
Speaker 1: she starts singing her own song and then it cuts
Speaker 1: to this dream sequence of her running towards Cool Rider.
Speaker 1: She's wearing a Grecian dress, and then he he's not
Speaker 1: a good singer, but he's like, theme, what if I alve?
Speaker 1: She's like, I wish you were, and then they have
Speaker 1: a very intense, weird exchange. She's like, just when I
Speaker 1: thought I found you, I lost you and he's like,
Speaker 1: I know, but it doesn't matter now because we can
Speaker 1: always be together. She's like, okay, and then she wins
Speaker 1: the Talent Show. It's great. I think I must have
Speaker 1: like drifted off during the talent show because I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It's logistically one of the most h It's a fever
Speaker 1: dream of so many things happened, but none of it matters.
Speaker 1: I do remember Johnny like going out onto the stage
Speaker 1: or like being pushed on stage and like ruining someone
Speaker 1: else's song. I don't know. That's when they steal the
Speaker 1: Spiffy Boys jacket and all the talents. It's very weird.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no allowance of resetting a song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not like you want to start with no, No,
Speaker 1: We're gonna just go ahead and say this is ruined.
Speaker 1: You can't do it again. The show must go on.
Speaker 1: But Johnny also wins. It's it's almost like the Talent
Speaker 1: Show didn't happen because they the two people who win, respectively,
Speaker 1: ruined the numbers that they were in. But they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we're putting you out on the lu out float in
Speaker 1: the pool. It's really weird how the school just functions
Speaker 1: with two gangs that they're very aware of, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like if you don't there are people there who
Speaker 1: don't belong to either of this, but really only to
Speaker 1: be shoved. I'm pretty sure the other kids at school,
Speaker 1: like they're a cult and they're just totally The rest
Speaker 1: of the people are thriving behind. They're riding their own
Speaker 1: homework assignments and they're doing great. Yeah, both of the
Speaker 1: gangs that run the school are dumb as rocks, like
Speaker 1: all of them without reservation or full on more. And
Speaker 1: like I would include Stephanie in that assessment because we
Speaker 1: hear snippets of her essay, right, it is ridiculous that
Speaker 1: scene where they're at the diner and he's like helping
Speaker 1: her with her Shakespeare essay and everything that she's saying,
Speaker 1: just like making up words and saying very stupid things,
Speaker 1: and like it's and it makes you wonder why does
Speaker 1: Michael like her? Obviously he wants to fuck her, but
Speaker 1: like what about her personality? There's something great about Michelle
Speaker 1: Pfeiffer that I that very few people acknowledge, and that
Speaker 1: is she is She looks like a very dainty, blonde lady,
Speaker 1: but she is the most Jersey Italian persona. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: everything I've ever seen her, and she's like I've murdered
Speaker 1: some people now I'm here, but I looked good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I love. I don't know why easily love
Speaker 1: those kind of characters are like feel I feel like
Speaker 1: she can just beat us all up, and I'm quite
Speaker 1: content with that. She's a catwoman, She's yeah. Catwoman. Married
Speaker 1: to the Mob is a phenomenal movie where she is, Oh,
Speaker 1: I have seen that. It's it's a good one. She's
Speaker 1: running away from the mob. It's really I would love
Speaker 1: to see Michelle Fife for a run from the mob.
Speaker 1: Scarface is another one. Oh yeah, I always forget that's her.
Speaker 1: She's in scarface. Yeah, so that was That was right
Speaker 1: after Greece Too. She's exactly weird. It's a solid follow up. Well,
Speaker 1: I was reading a little bit about Maxwell Caulfield who
Speaker 1: is very bitter about Greece Too and like blames it
Speaker 1: for ruining his career mom, which I guess name is
Speaker 1: something he did after her. I personally get. But well,
Speaker 1: there's like a quote for him saying like, oh, they
Speaker 1: were saying that was the next Richard gear But then
Speaker 1: Greece Too sucked and I was back. He was like
Speaker 1: in The Elephant Man on Broadway, like he was a
Speaker 1: serious actor. And then I guess took a gamble on
Speaker 1: like a little blockbuster and thought that it kind of
Speaker 1: like ruined his crew. It's like, you're not sure. Everybody else,
Speaker 1: most of the people from the movie kept working right,
Speaker 1: like everyone's in you know, it seems par for the course.
Speaker 1: But he's bitter about it. Baby, Well, I don't care.
Speaker 1: He still did he how did he age? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess realistically, he aged realistically. Here's a picture of him. Now,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah, he's doing fine. He's okay. It's not
Speaker 1: the way I prefer, perhaps not for me, but he
Speaker 1: looks slippery. That's what he discovered, jam covering and Greece.
Speaker 1: I did really enjoy his solo number, where again he's
Speaker 1: just wandering around singing to himself. What's the name of
Speaker 1: the song? It's oh Charades. A lot of the thing
Speaker 1: this movie sounds mumbled, it is. I think the only
Speaker 1: song I can recall is cool, right, and the other
Speaker 1: songs definitely fall to the wayside. Well, there's the song
Speaker 1: about I like that. There's a whole song about like
Speaker 1: women's reproduction when they're like the substitute teacher just comes
Speaker 1: in all right, So that I like most of the song,
Speaker 1: and like all the imagery on the board in the
Speaker 1: classroom is like plants, but he's drawing a woman's uterus
Speaker 1: and like Philippian two and she break but anyway, and
Speaker 1: then he's asking different members of the class when is
Speaker 1: it the best time for a woman to conceive? So
Speaker 1: I guess they're in sect said classes. You know, it
Speaker 1: seems like they're in biology. But then they sing the
Speaker 1: whole song, which is obviously like subtext and also that
Speaker 1: watching right she comes in, so she's a music appreciate
Speaker 1: Asian teacher, right, but then she's horny, but they're in
Speaker 1: her class. Stephanie submits her like Shakespeare essay to her class,
Speaker 1: so she's also an English teacher. There's there's very confusing
Speaker 1: what's happening at right? Which one in Greece? Two are
Speaker 1: all about It's all about teen sex, but no one
Speaker 1: is directly talking about it in a manner that makes
Speaker 1: any sense. Right, every st like characters have sex in
Speaker 1: the first one because there's a pregnancy scare. I feel
Speaker 1: like no one actually has sex in this one. Well,
Speaker 1: there's that one offline that ends with the principal breaking
Speaker 1: in the fourth wall where she's like, I haven't had
Speaker 1: my period in two months and then she says makes
Speaker 1: some sort of she's like, you can stay after school
Speaker 1: to make those up joke, right, And then she goes
Speaker 1: and like turns to camera like Okay, I guess that
Speaker 1: was worthwhile. Know that I like the reproduction song strictly
Speaker 1: for the kid with the bass voice who goes like
Speaker 1: where does the pollen go? Four hundred times? Oh, I
Speaker 1: found it interesting. So many times on this podcast we
Speaker 1: have come across a movie where a man surprise kisses
Speaker 1: a woman just I don't know where without that happens
Speaker 1: in this movie, except the roles are reversed right where
Speaker 1: the woman surprise kisses a man. What do we think? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's just about as okay as it is
Speaker 1: when a man does it to a woman, which is
Speaker 1: not okay, but he was like smitten by it, which
Speaker 1: is how they decided to portray that reaction in this movie.
Speaker 1: Might that happen in real life to certain men, sure,
Speaker 1: but also other men might be like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be surprise kissed without my permission by anyone? Is
Speaker 1: the troupe? And it isn't because the one I always
Speaker 1: returned to, just because it's the most egregious example of
Speaker 1: that is the Brendan Fraser is a mummy where he's
Speaker 1: in a cage and he lunges Farrell Fraser. Farrell Fraser.
Speaker 1: He's shirtless, he's dirty. He lunges at a woman and
Speaker 1: kisses her and then he's like, you deserved it. Like it.
Speaker 1: It's like the most insane mummy and we're still supposed
Speaker 1: to be Like he's how romant, he can't be controlled.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about him. He won't listen. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because they played it. I don't know he
Speaker 1: was into it. I mean, and maybe maybe I'm am
Speaker 1: I victim blaming Naxal coffeel. Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's that registered with me too. But I was like,
Speaker 1: but it made him so happy. I mean, if people
Speaker 1: are going to kiss each other, let there be some
Speaker 1: lead in. Let the person know you were about to
Speaker 1: kiss him and make sure they're okay with it. Let
Speaker 1: him go on a date first. Yeah, she she will
Speaker 1: not accept his invitation for a date, no matter how
Speaker 1: many times he has it with his hands tomorrow the
Speaker 1: next day, and just like you don't understand, I'm oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she mumbles, unless you're this guy from my
Speaker 1: dreams and he'll show up and he does. He does
Speaker 1: that look that is very much the movie is about
Speaker 1: the secret. Yeah, Michelle, to the point where he shows
Speaker 1: up at like the gas station she works at, She's overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, are you going to clean my windshield? Can
Speaker 1: I pay for this? Where are your maps? She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get on the back of his motorcycle
Speaker 1: and run away. Other other trope we've come up against
Speaker 1: a number of times. Woman who we know isn't like
Speaker 1: the other girls cause she knows about a car. A
Speaker 1: car Julia robertson My best friend's wedding and transformers and
Speaker 1: transfer right. It's like I and we never see her
Speaker 1: do work on a car, but she says the word windshield.
Speaker 1: We see her something overall like and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was definitely wearing the list amount of clothes to
Speaker 1: work on a car. Yeah. Yeah, she's working at like
Speaker 1: a gas station like auto body shop. People need maps, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there was a time where that was true. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even pick up on that. Good noticing the
Speaker 1: trope Jamie Dan dang Ding. I also love that this
Speaker 1: this movie I think appeals to me so strongly because
Speaker 1: it is a movie with a lot of needless musical numbers,
Speaker 1: which I love, and it's about woman taking a man
Speaker 1: and fixing him, which is my objective. Although she's not
Speaker 1: very active in fixing him. He's sort of he's the
Speaker 1: one who's like, I'm going to change everything about myself
Speaker 1: even easier, but manifest destiny. Like she just like gives
Speaker 1: him the cliff notes via cool Rider of like this
Speaker 1: is what I need you to do. Come back when
Speaker 1: you've exactly like Reddy Pins Jr. Had to. She's all
Speaker 1: that whole way through, and she's like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to lift a finger for you. If you
Speaker 1: want to be this person, you have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to like put a motorcycle together with
Speaker 1: scrap metal. You're gonna need to be practicing every day
Speaker 1: after school with Frenchy, the weird feral adults who wanders
Speaker 1: this street and making creams. And he had to become
Speaker 1: the best guy in the motorcycle, not even just go
Speaker 1: it at a motorcycle, like he had to become the
Speaker 1: best up. He jumps over a hundred few Like she
Speaker 1: was not going to accept anything beneath a cool writer,
Speaker 1: How did he get so good so fast? Look if
Speaker 1: you have the need and you have the energy, and like,
Speaker 1: look it's her vision board. He's manifesting too, he too.
Speaker 1: Vision boards working at the same time can do a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I keep screaming this at my lef
Speaker 1: and no, you're right though, I mean, he changes everything.
Speaker 1: So wait, are we to believe what happens to the
Speaker 1: end exactly? So he comes back at like the Luo
Speaker 1: in his garb and his goggles and his leather, basically
Speaker 1: return the opera. But then so he reveals who he is,
Speaker 1: and Stephanie's all like, cool, I like you still, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I wouldn't think you would have liked me
Speaker 1: if you knew who I actually was. She's like, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: You did this because she said in the beginning, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like you when you're you. Um, she's gas
Speaker 1: lighting him, and I'm completely okay with that. It's nice
Speaker 1: to see everything in a while. Yeah, I always liked you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not crazy at all. Let her do it. Yeah, please,
Speaker 1: let's see more women gaslighting men. You're right, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: Well there's like that small I feel like the only
Speaker 1: reason that was supposed to work. Besides the fact that
Speaker 1: nothing in this movie has to make sense per se.
Speaker 1: It's like there was a little bit of a connection
Speaker 1: in that scene in the diner where she's like, you
Speaker 1: probably think I'm dumb, and he's like, no, I think
Speaker 1: you're really hot. Like he still doesn't say I don't
Speaker 1: think you're dumb. Well, he's like, I'm dumb too. I
Speaker 1: just have a British accent, so no one notices, and
Speaker 1: I can say some big words like don't be insecure.
Speaker 1: You're writing ever, you're writing everyone at this high school's essays.
Speaker 1: He's gaslighting himself. That's things. If you're so good at gaslighting,
Speaker 1: you eventually make something gaslight themselves, and that is it's
Speaker 1: just a way of manifest and cutting out the middle man.
Speaker 1: So in that way, she's like an evil mastermind, and
Speaker 1: I respect her. She got what she wanted by literally
Speaker 1: putting the least amount of effort and by just simply
Speaker 1: a manipulative suggestion you're right via a very catchy song.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's probably the catchiest. Yeah, yeah, I mean cool
Speaker 1: Rider is better than any song in Greece. One. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mention if he raped a woman in it
Speaker 1: at all, which is all right, did she bread up
Speaker 1: that fight? Yeah, that's still right there. But I mean
Speaker 1: and then this one, the bomb shelter scene, is like
Speaker 1: there is I mean, at first, she's like, I want
Speaker 1: to leave, and he's like, you can't, can't. There's a
Speaker 1: war outside, there's a nuclear bombs dropping. Okay, but they're
Speaker 1: both sucking dumb as rocks. It's well, yeah, she he
Speaker 1: convinceits her. The Russians are dropping nuclear warheads on them
Speaker 1: right just right then, and she's like, you're right, we
Speaker 1: have to we have to stay in here for our
Speaker 1: country and for our country. And then I think they're
Speaker 1: about to start like making out, and then she's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and then opens the door. I forget
Speaker 1: what happens, but she opens the door, and then the
Speaker 1: two other tea birds like fall out into the bunker
Speaker 1: and she does. She's like, oh so I like that.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of times in this movie where the
Speaker 1: tea birds, who are very toxic in their masculinity, being
Speaker 1: very toxic towards the women, and they don't stand for it.
Speaker 1: They're like, uh no, you're being gross. No, thank you
Speaker 1: a little bit, but then they eventually right they used
Speaker 1: to come because they all end up together at the end,
Speaker 1: which is not ideal. But I feel like in the
Speaker 1: first movie a lot of that toxic masculinity went unchallenged
Speaker 1: or like so, like remember in one of the very
Speaker 1: opening scenes in the first Greece, there's just a guy
Speaker 1: lying on the bleachers looking up a woman's skirt and
Speaker 1: then she like noticed someone points it out to her
Speaker 1: and she says like and she runs away, and then
Speaker 1: all the other dudes were like, oh cool. Well that's
Speaker 1: why it's like the Tea Birds characters are like kind
Speaker 1: of unchanged from the first movie. But it's just like
Speaker 1: they're not made to seem very cool. They're framed differently.
Speaker 1: They're not in charge of the school. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: weird that they were in charge in the school to
Speaker 1: begin with, Like ther dumbest Danny Zuku had to take
Speaker 1: a fu pe class and he was so frail that
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything. Why are these guys in charge?
Speaker 1: They know how to fix up a car, and honestly,
Speaker 1: in my book, that's the hottest thing you can do
Speaker 1: cars cars. Just kidding. It's like they're the bad gang
Speaker 1: and there's an even like meaner gang that's cruel in
Speaker 1: them in a nearby school, right within motorcycle distance. But
Speaker 1: so those guys in the first one, they were all
Speaker 1: about cars, like convertible whatever, and then in this movie
Speaker 1: it's all about the motorcycle. Times are change, times are changing,
Speaker 1: And be honestly, the motorcycle is my thing too. I
Speaker 1: get it. I enjoy it bad boys. It seems like
Speaker 1: there's at least some element of skill involved. Danny Zuka
Speaker 1: jumps no ravine, Yeah, no, n and it does drive
Speaker 1: through like you almost, like almost, But also like Danny Zua,
Speaker 1: there's no like like like there's zero. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's the explanation of the ravine survival. I think we
Speaker 1: just assumed he made the jump and then hid for
Speaker 1: a few days, Like the fuck are you doing there?
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that yet. Where was he
Speaker 1: when he's hiding? He's had one of two things happened.
Speaker 1: You survived and you should have been a school the
Speaker 1: next day, or you managed to get an injury that
Speaker 1: required only two days of recovery. He's mysterious with parents.
Speaker 1: He lived with his aunt and uncle. Oh so okay,
Speaker 1: so Sandy Sandy's parents I guess also this exchange program
Speaker 1: at this school, just only taking in one student at
Speaker 1: a time, and they're always white. And then and and
Speaker 1: announced them on the intercom the day they get there.
Speaker 1: We have another white kid. This is a very white movie,
Speaker 1: by the way, even whiter I think than the first movie.
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm that because they're both very white. Is
Speaker 1: there a non white character in this movie? I cannot.
Speaker 1: On either film, and the first one, at least you
Speaker 1: see a couple of extras who are people of color.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you see that in Greece too,
Speaker 1: If you would say, just a tiny glimpse of someone
Speaker 1: looking at this wide shot of the bawling scene is
Speaker 1: literally like the picture of Paul Ryan's interns, like a
Speaker 1: sea of white teenagers, very unappealing. Any other scenes that
Speaker 1: anyone wants to talk, or any other points people would
Speaker 1: like to make. Man, this is a great movie. It's
Speaker 1: so fun. I was prepared for like a This was
Speaker 1: like a position to me as like a bad movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's people mocked it for so long. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where it's earned its
Speaker 1: own cult following. And I prefer it more than the
Speaker 1: original because it's just it's just a little more effervescent
Speaker 1: and a little and there's there's more dynamics between human
Speaker 1: beings and just also sucking. I can't reiterate how great
Speaker 1: of a song cool Writer is. It is hands down
Speaker 1: the movie like it should. You should just listen to
Speaker 1: it in general as a song to listen to, because
Speaker 1: it actually holds up as a pop song on its own.
Speaker 1: It's really yeah, and it's uh oh we well, we
Speaker 1: didn't say a female director, uh choreographer from the first movie,
Speaker 1: like Salomon said, I love a choreographer directed movie. I e.
Speaker 1: All of the high school musical movies are directed by
Speaker 1: the choreographer. And you can you can tell because story
Speaker 1: is not super and the dancings are unbeat and the
Speaker 1: dancings in this one are superior. Far. Yeah. Director what's
Speaker 1: her name? Her name Isa? So she choreographed the first
Speaker 1: one and then directed and choreographed the second one. I
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that I didn't do my research. It's okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I really liked it. I well, okay, let
Speaker 1: me read I liked it. I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of musicals. I liked We'll never comprehend that a part
Speaker 1: of people will get it. I liked this one a
Speaker 1: whole lot more than Greece one, and part of that
Speaker 1: is because I think it treats its female characters a
Speaker 1: little better, you know, not a huge amount this could
Speaker 1: have been. If I was to rewrite this movie, it
Speaker 1: would be about Stephanie. She's smart for unch so fucking
Speaker 1: dumb idiot but everyone and like I was, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: all the female characters are down. It's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: all the male characters. Everyone's done. Everyone's on Michael Carrington,
Speaker 1: but he's also the dumbest of all. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: I just want to put my dick in this blond lady.
Speaker 1: So I have to pretend to be dumb and change everything.
Speaker 1: Is anyone in high school smart? Yes? I was extremely
Speaker 1: smart and good and I made no mistakes and I
Speaker 1: was perfect. I mean, even if you're like a dumb,
Speaker 1: immature teenager, you can still be like academically smart. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be a fucking idiot who like can't
Speaker 1: string a sentence together and when you're writing a paper
Speaker 1: about Shakespeare. So I would have just made her a
Speaker 1: little smarter and made her not so beholden to this
Speaker 1: weird code that they've all decided as a thing and
Speaker 1: been like, actually, I'm going to go and make out
Speaker 1: with whoever I want, which is something that she says.
Speaker 1: She's like, I can kiss whoever I want, whenever I want,
Speaker 1: And then suddenly she's like, actually, nope, forgotten, only forgot
Speaker 1: the rules. Whoops. So I would have had her be
Speaker 1: more proactive about like breaking these established rules, you know,
Speaker 1: breaking the status quo, actually doing whatever she wants, and not,
Speaker 1: you know, waiting till a man changes for her, although
Speaker 1: I do like that that happens, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just would have made her a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can, in good conscience condemn a man changing has
Speaker 1: to be in behavior that I would encourage in acts.
Speaker 1: But he's already like mostly perfect. If you have to,
Speaker 1: you have to test that pliability. How willing are you?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to just assume he might change, Your taste
Speaker 1: might change over the years, exactly. So I just want
Speaker 1: to know, will you drive into a ravine for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he will also have that on my tender bio.
Speaker 1: Must be willing to drive over a ravine because I
Speaker 1: guess what else he'll do for you wash the dishes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess what else will do for you? Hide in
Speaker 1: the woods for two days faking his own dead because
Speaker 1: of the fourth head. And if he's willing to do that,
Speaker 1: help you not assume that you will. Won't that he
Speaker 1: will do with laundry. That's that, And he'll probably take
Speaker 1: as long as it takes to try to make you come,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, for two days pretending to be dead.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down on Michael like he one. You're
Speaker 1: like this guy. Probably what he's spent learning to do
Speaker 1: those two days, just sucking on peach pits, just making
Speaker 1: sure the two birds think eating pussy is totally They're like,
Speaker 1: or they'll do the thing. They're like the ten second thing,
Speaker 1: like are you good? Okay, my turn? You know they're
Speaker 1: selfish lovers and they have childs. Oh no, they probably
Speaker 1: go in dick hard ready to come in seconds. All right, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the
Speaker 1: Bectel test. It does. It for sure does. Like in
Speaker 1: the first scene whenever Ms McGee and Blanche come out
Speaker 1: and they're hanging up the flag and it's like, our
Speaker 1: students are going to accomplish great things. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a great school year, blah blah blah, and then
Speaker 1: it happens again, like in the opening dance number, pink
Speaker 1: ladies are talking about stuff. We're talking about being late.
Speaker 1: The twin cheerleaders are like, hey, miss Mason's hair, I
Speaker 1: love it, all three hundred pounds of it. They're talking
Speaker 1: about their friend who gets the nose job. And then
Speaker 1: just several times throughout the movie. Because there's a ton
Speaker 1: of female characters, like probably more than men, even at
Speaker 1: least ones with like significant screen Yeah, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of throwaway motorcycle guys who are not part of
Speaker 1: like the guys, but they don't they don't really have
Speaker 1: lines or anything like that is basically create or face whatever.
Speaker 1: They're mostly guns right there. Yeah, And most of the
Speaker 1: men we see are those either like random substitute teachers
Speaker 1: or those motorcycle dudes. So at least you get to
Speaker 1: see like a bit more. There's different types of women
Speaker 1: roles in this movie, but it happens a bunch. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of scenes where women are talking and
Speaker 1: they are talking about men, but there are probably just
Speaker 1: as many scene where they're not. And there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and and most of the scenes with
Speaker 1: all men are they're lamenting or condemning women in some
Speaker 1: so it's it goes there. They're failing the reverse spectacle
Speaker 1: test is what they're doing. Right. It's like this movie
Speaker 1: everyone's dumb in the same way, so there is like
Speaker 1: a strange equality to it. Yeah. True. Oh. I wanted
Speaker 1: to point out that one of the t Birds is
Speaker 1: Selma's husband from Thelma and Louise. He just yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just that just happens. He got tidecasted as a shitty
Speaker 1: douche bag at least in those two movies. I don't
Speaker 1: know what else he's in. That's probably a good chance
Speaker 1: that he's been character actors. You gotta love him. I
Speaker 1: love a good character actor. Speaking of which, Alfred Molina,
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina, conceivably, given the age range, was eligible to
Speaker 1: play a high school or in this movie. What a
Speaker 1: missed off we have had him. They're like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of motorcycles, and then there's this the beefcake,
Speaker 1: and he's a little different, he's smart, and then he
Speaker 1: and then hell, he was just he had just done
Speaker 1: his first role in Raiders at the Lost Arc. I
Speaker 1: think in eight one, so he was already in the circuit.
Speaker 1: You know, he probably turned it down. He probably got
Speaker 1: an he probably tried to assume that everything has been off. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's write the movie we rate on our nipple scale
Speaker 1: of zero to five nipples based on it specifically it's
Speaker 1: portrayal of women. I'm gonna give it to two and
Speaker 1: a half. Go with it two, because while we do
Speaker 1: see Stephanie the lead, having more agency than Sandy in
Speaker 1: the first movie, it's still you know, everything is framed
Speaker 1: around like the guy, she's gonna who's she going to
Speaker 1: end up? With? Her relationships to men, and there are
Speaker 1: you do see a lot of like female friendships and
Speaker 1: this movie, although a lot of those aren't like poised
Speaker 1: as these like great things that we should strive for
Speaker 1: because they're most just mean to each other. Every friendship
Speaker 1: in this movie is deeply toxic. Yeah, the whole narrative
Speaker 1: just revolves around Stephanie's pursuit of a man or his
Speaker 1: pursuit of her. So you know, it's not and like
Speaker 1: I said, she's a fucking idiot. Again, everyone is pretty
Speaker 1: much I don't know, they just could have been a
Speaker 1: better representation of women. In this movie, so it gets
Speaker 1: some some nipples off for that thing said I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did enjoy watching this. Like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: really like a lot of musicals, but I did have
Speaker 1: a great and you're right cool writer is a terrific song. Uh,
Speaker 1: and two nipples they belong to I'm gonna say ms Mason,
Speaker 1: who is like we didn't talk much about her, but
Speaker 1: I love how she's mostly just like I'm hot and
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with my hair, and
Speaker 1: I kind of want these high school boys to think
Speaker 1: I'm fuckable. And that's kinds of literally was He's like,
Speaker 1: I want to see all of you, and she's like wealthy.
Speaker 1: She could easily also be a student to give the
Speaker 1: strange age range. So I wasn't super bothered by it. Yes,
Speaker 1: so mine two nipples belong to Miss Mason. The music
Speaker 1: appreciation slash literature teacher at Rydell Catchall. Let me give
Speaker 1: it three because because I automatically and biased towards it
Speaker 1: cut in as a fun movie musical, I agree that it.
Speaker 1: You know, all the problems you pointed out are very
Speaker 1: legitimate pitting it against Greece. One, It's just it's like
Speaker 1: a fan fiction better version of the first one that
Speaker 1: works in favor of the female characters, and like, while
Speaker 1: it would be cool for Steph, I need to be
Speaker 1: like I'm actually going to do me right now. That's
Speaker 1: not how this movie would end in any world. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I I liked it. I give
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that passed because everyone in this
Speaker 1: movie is a fucking moron. If the men were portrayed
Speaker 1: as more able to manipulate, because even like the one
Speaker 1: big male manipulation we see in the bomb Shelter falls
Speaker 1: apart because everyone involved is a fucking idiot and the
Speaker 1: girls have the better songs across the board. The teacher
Speaker 1: is weird, but also the male her male counterpart is weird.
Speaker 1: And then there's the guy from the first movie who
Speaker 1: passes out in the pool. Everyone is he's suffering from
Speaker 1: mental exhaustion or something like that. He's very sick, because
Speaker 1: the last time we see him he is just fallen over.
Speaker 1: He's just slouched over at a mouthful of pills that
Speaker 1: he's trying to swallow, and then like still screams because
Speaker 1: there's a rat on her desk, and then he just
Speaker 1: like passes out. He has muscular district. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: control over his body. Like but anyways, uh, that's another movie.
Speaker 1: I want to give it three. I'm going to give
Speaker 1: one of them to Mr Spears because I just want
Speaker 1: to know more, and then I'm going to give the
Speaker 1: other two to paull It because I feel like she
Speaker 1: ended the movie still thinking she was second best, and
Speaker 1: I wish I do. She thought, I wish he hadn't
Speaker 1: settled for Johnny, but I'm sure she like figures that out.
Speaker 1: She should have gone with that nerd guy at the
Speaker 1: beginning who's like, like the lockers, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't go to those lockers. Are like you have
Speaker 1: to lock your locker because these guys will steal everything.
Speaker 1: He's his lockers like times, and actually that's a really
Speaker 1: funny joke because he's speaking to him as though he
Speaker 1: does not understand English very well because he's from a
Speaker 1: different country, but his country invented the damn language. He's like, lockers, lockers,
Speaker 1: You've got to look out the tough boys, lockers, lockers,
Speaker 1: and then just turns around and leaves, and then a
Speaker 1: tough boy comes up and he's like, hey, lockers, Oh,
Speaker 1: I also wanted to point out, while Stephanie has more
Speaker 1: agency than Sandy in the first movie, she still is
Speaker 1: not very active. She's just sort of like gliding through
Speaker 1: the story. That pretty much the only active character is Michael,
Speaker 1: who's just like changing everything about So I if the
Speaker 1: movie went my way the way I wanted it to,
Speaker 1: she would have had a greater desire and then done
Speaker 1: something to actually pursue that and like been more active
Speaker 1: in that. But you know, whatever I will do, I'll
Speaker 1: actually go with the three nipples as well. And I
Speaker 1: definitely do agree. Uh, the movie should have been at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie should have been the tea
Speaker 1: birds being completely dismantled and burned to the ground. They
Speaker 1: represent the patriarchy, let's dismantle it. It should have just been, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got my dream guy a pink ladies, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go punch these te birds in the face. That would
Speaker 1: have been a great ending to the movie, kind of
Speaker 1: like in the end of Mean Girls, when they're like,
Speaker 1: let's not be mean girls anymore, and then when they're seniors,
Speaker 1: you see they're just like all friendly and cool and
Speaker 1: hanging out with whoever, and then you see the junior
Speaker 1: plastics and they're like, what a mistake they're making. Anyway,
Speaker 1: if it didn't with that, yeah, that would have been
Speaker 1: the better ending. Um. And if I'm going to give
Speaker 1: my nipples anything and be to the ravine and whatever
Speaker 1: happened there, maybe maybe he fell into the ravine, was
Speaker 1: knocking on death's door. There's a wizard down there, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll grant you three wishes, but you have
Speaker 1: to sell right. I'm like combining Genie the Devil. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's there's some ravine. There's some billy goat down there
Speaker 1: who's like, also this half as wishmaking that he's basically
Speaker 1: he encounters a mythological creature down there who's willing to
Speaker 1: revive him and grant him at a huge price. So
Speaker 1: now Michael's walking around without a soul or without a
Speaker 1: dick or something, but he's alive. We gotta watch Grease three.
Speaker 1: If we never see, we never see what's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll find out, all right it alright Greege three. Okay,
Speaker 1: because you can bring his cousin back in him and
Speaker 1: they have to. Oh God, oh Solomon, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. Ben a delight. Where can people
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Speaker 1: I can't change it. It's been ten years. Don't change yourself.
Speaker 1: Don't be Sandy, don't be Michael Carrington, be you and
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